1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, luck and load. The Michael 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Varie Show is on the air. What is the real 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: cost of a legal immigration A congressional budget report pegged 4 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty one billion dollars. But what 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: is the cost of your wife being murdered or your 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: daughter or your son? Can you can you put a 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: dollar figure on that on your sense of loss? You 8 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: don't get them back. We only get one life. The 9 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: big issue here is that violence has been brought into 10 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: a marriora by awful people and it's been denied. A 11 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: theme on the show today will be people in positions 12 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: of public authority that should be trustworthy lying to us. 13 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: There are some new developments in the George Floyd case. 14 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Liz Colin in the next segment about 15 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: that lies that were told to you that have now 16 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: been revealed, and new tests that that are going to 17 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: be done according to a judge on George Floyd's body. 18 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: We know and have known that George Floyd was not 19 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: dead when he arrived at the hospital. So how was 20 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: he suffocated? It was a drug overdose, but we'll get 21 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: to that in a moment. How about the fact that 22 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: we were told by many people, politicians, mainstream media outlets, PolitiFact, 23 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: that trend de Aragua, the violent Venezuelan gang. Oh they're not. 24 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: They weren't operating in Aurora, Colorado. Headline. City officials and 25 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: residents say there is no Venezuelan gang takeover in Aurora, Colorado. Oh, 26 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: you people, there's not a UFO. The clock shot doesn't 27 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: kill anybody. Hunter Biden's laptop doesn't have anything on there 28 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: that's selling American secrets. You people, y'all just believe all 29 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: your conspiracy theories, and yet they keep coming true. Bill 30 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Malusion deserves the highest awards of journalism. He started as 31 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: a Fox reporter, a local Fox reporter, and then he 32 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: was picked up by Fox National. He has stayed on 33 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: this illegal immigration story, and this really is the way 34 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: to do it. You gotta have guys focus on a 35 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: beat like the old crime reporter would do, because then 36 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: you develop contacts, relationships, you get knowledge. When guys are 37 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: bouncing from story to story, they never really develop a 38 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: body of knowledge that allows them to advance a story 39 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: beyond just reporting the basic news. Bill Malusion has been 40 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: on this illegal immigration story. That's his beat, and he 41 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: is really I mean, I don't know anybody that's doing 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: better work on the ground than he is. He was 43 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: on Laura Ingram show, and here he is talking about 44 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: Trende Arragua, this violent Venezuelan gang, and the fact that 45 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: before Joe Biden, they weren't a problem. 46 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 2: When the story was first reported by Fox and other 47 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: outlets said this was exaggerated, This was portrayed in a 48 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: way that was inflammatory regarding trend to Ragua, and this 49 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 2: wasn't as big a problem as somewhere making it out 50 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: to be. Are people paying attention now, Pill. 51 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: They better be, Laura and you're spot on, because there 52 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: were Democrats and members of the media like who are 53 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: essentially saying, don't believe you're lying eyes. This isn't happening, 54 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: it's not an issue. It's all being blown out of proportion. 55 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: But here we go again, another violent incident in the 56 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: exact same apartment complex, and I'm hearing from federal law 57 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: enforcement sources ICE DEA, HSI all involved in this operation. 58 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: Over a dozen suspected Trenda Aragua gang members arrested in 59 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: this incident, and we have to look at the bigger 60 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: picture here. Trenda Arragua was never an issue in the 61 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: United States before President Biden took office. I think most 62 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: people out there probably never even heard of Trende Aragua 63 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: before Biden was president. And now we have to take 64 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: a step back because this international prison gang has literally 65 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: infiltrated the United States largely due to mass catch and 66 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: release policies at the border, and they're setting up shop 67 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: in different cities all across the country where week after 68 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: week we're getting these horrible headlines about violent crimes they're committing. 69 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: And at some point we got to call a spade 70 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: of spade here, right, this White House has just blatantly 71 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: gas lit the American public over the last few years. 72 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: How many times did we see them get up to 73 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: that podium every week and claim the border is closed, 74 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: the border is secure. They even had the nerve to 75 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: say that Nash releases weren't happening, no matter how many 76 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: times we got it on video. And look, unfortunately, the 77 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 3: chickens have come home to roosts at this point, large 78 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 3: amounts of foreign violent criminals have gotten into the United 79 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: States cotton released at the border because there's little to 80 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: no vetting going on, and now they're popping up in 81 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: cities and American women are paying the price, whether it's 82 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: Lake and Riley, Joscelyn Nungary, Rachel Morin. We keep seeing 83 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: these horrible headlines and unfortunately, Laura, given what we've seen 84 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: the last four years, there's probably going to be a 85 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: significant amount more of it coming, and that's probably why people. 86 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Just voted for mass deportations. Meanwhile, you're going to be 87 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of stories like this. MSNBC's Nicole Wallace 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: tells a story of Jimei Kachua and the fear that 89 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: he might be deported. 90 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 4: Listen to this, Tom and Trump and his allies have 91 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: said what they plan to do. They will begin quote 92 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 4: the largest deportation operation in American history, by focusing first 93 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: on deporting criminals, but once that is done, they will 94 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: go after every undocumented immigrant in the country. That's their words, 95 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: that includes people like him. Kichua Jime was brought to 96 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: the United States illegally by his mom and dad when 97 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 4: he was an infant, less than one year old. He's 98 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: now thirty three years old. He lives with his wife. 99 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: He has four young children. There's some heart wrenching new 100 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: reporting in the New York Times about Kachua. Kachua describes 101 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: his own personal story, one family story, A family in crisis, 102 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: now trying to make sure that this man, Jime, who 103 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 4: has spent more than three decades as a law abiding 104 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: member of society in his community of Rome, Georgia, doesn't 105 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: get deported when Trump comes into office next month. Quote 106 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: Jaime had never broken a law of any kind. He 107 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: worked fifty hours a week at the dealership, drove below 108 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: the speed limit, paid his taxes on time, and smoothed 109 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: the creases out of books before returning them to the library. 110 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: But no amount of adherence to the rules made up 111 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 4: for the one thing he'd broken, the one rule he'd 112 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: broken before he was old enough to walk or talk 113 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: when his family drove him across the border because his 114 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 4: mother had found work at a chicken processing plant outside Rome, Georgia. 115 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: More than thirty years later, his presence remains illegal. He 116 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: was not eligible for Social Security or food stamps, or 117 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: unemployment benefits or any kind of health insurance he could 118 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: afford couch. His father in law, Sky Atkins, who voted 119 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: for Donald Trump partly because of his hardline immigration stance, 120 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: couldn't understand how or that his family would be effected 121 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: to quote all those criminals that Trump's been talking about, 122 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: the rapist, the gang members, that's not you. S guy 123 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: said he'd heard Trump say that he would deport the 124 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: bad guys first and possibly show leniency to immigrants who 125 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: have been brought to the country's children. 126 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 5: Quote. 127 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: You deserve to be here, Skuy said to me, you're 128 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: basically American. Quote, but I'm not, Jamie Heim said. 129 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show. 130 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: I lived through COVID, I lived through the twenty twenty 131 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: election fraud, and I lived through the George Floyd fraud. 132 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not ever going to let them go because 133 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: when you can fool that many people, and when people 134 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: are scared to death to discuss what we should have 135 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: learned from things, then this is no longer America. When 136 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: all that went down, sometime afterwards, we interviewed a woman 137 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: named Liz Colin. She had done a documentary called The 138 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: Fall of Minneapolis, and it was so well researched and 139 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: the story was so incredibly well told, and it was 140 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: things that almost nobody was talking about, and it was 141 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: intentionally stifled by social media. You couldn't talk about it. 142 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Everyone was scared. No one It says if let's just 143 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: make it go away. But there's a man serving in 144 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: prison and he's going to be there probably till he dies. 145 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: And I don't think he committed murder, and he basically 146 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: said he did. And there's so much to the story 147 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: that was never told. So Liz Colin is our guest. 148 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: She was on with our friend Jack Soviet, and this 149 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: is what we're going to talk to her. But this 150 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: is the part that caught our attention. 151 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 6: Listen carefully, very first legal win for Derek Chauvin. 152 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 5: And we've been reporting all. 153 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 6: Of it over here at Alpha News, But this is 154 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 6: a federal judge who has finally come back approving this 155 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 6: motion that has been in the works four months to 156 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 6: examine heart tissue in George Floyd and also some fluids 157 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 6: from George Floyd's. 158 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 5: Body as well. 159 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 6: And basically this is related to what's called a paraganglioma. 160 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 6: This was discussed in the fall of Minneapolis. Some doctors 161 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 6: came forward during Derek Chauvin's case to say, why wasn't 162 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 6: this tumor tested in George Floyd. In many cases it 163 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 6: can lead to sudden cardiac death. 164 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: They brought this information forward. 165 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: His attorney at the time did not act upon this 166 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 6: information according to court documents, and also the judge, Judge 167 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 6: Peter Cahill, ignored it as well. So in this motion, 168 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 6: the judge has now said that this testing can take place. 169 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: What really. 170 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 6: Does this tumor have anything to do with his death? 171 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people are also picking. 172 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 6: Up on the fact that George Floyd was not pronounced 173 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 6: dead until about nine thirty that night, that's about an 174 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 6: hour after this incident took place, something that we brought 175 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 6: out in the documentary as well. So it's interesting that 176 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 6: that I think people are willing to have these conversations 177 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 6: now to look at this evidence, which is really in 178 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 6: black and white and has been since day one, which 179 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 6: we compiled for the book They're Lying and for the 180 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 6: documentary The Fall of Minneapolis. So this really is the 181 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 6: very first legal win for Derek Chauvin. We've also done 182 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 6: some reporting about a state appeal as well that is 183 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 6: similar to the fact that these medical records were ignored. 184 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Liz Colin as our guest, Liz, let's take this piece 185 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: by piece, and I want to explain it slowly because 186 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: people might be driving, they may not caught every detail. 187 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: So for a judge to grant permission to lawyers for 188 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: the officer, who they claimed was the reason George Floyd 189 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: said he couldn't breathe. And I were remind listeners he 190 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: was saying he couldn't breathe when he was sitting in 191 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: the backseat of the squad car before that. And he's 192 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: had breathing problems before when he downed a bunch of 193 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: fentanyl when he was arrested for actually just a matter 194 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: of days before that. So the judge has granted permissions 195 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: for the permission for the officer to have samples from 196 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: George Floyd examined as part of his case. What will 197 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: that tell us? Why is that important? 198 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? Good, good to chat with you. Thanks for having 199 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 5: me back on again. 200 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 7: There are just a lot of questions, and I think 201 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 7: people are asking the right questions. 202 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: The thing is, so much of this has already been answered. 203 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 7: It's just a matter of, you know, did the jury 204 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 7: really hear the full story here in Derek Chauvin's case, 205 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 7: And the answer clearly is no. 206 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: So these tests, which many. 207 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 7: Doctors have said should have been done from the very 208 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 7: beginning on this paraganglioma, this tumor that George Floyd had 209 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 7: on his hip, which can lead to cardiac death in 210 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 7: many cases. 211 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 5: They said right away this needs to be tested. 212 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 7: Doctor Andrew Baker, the Henifon County Medical Examiner, saw no. 213 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 5: Reason to do so. 214 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 7: However, I will say, even despite what these records show, 215 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 7: George Floyd died from a heart attack. The first words 216 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 7: on the autopsy are cardio pulmonary arrests. Those the very 217 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 7: first words that appear in the autopsy. Days later, you 218 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 7: have law enforcements subdual also added to the top of 219 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 7: the autopsy that was added days later after there are meetings. 220 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 5: That take place with prosecutors in the FBI behind the scenes. 221 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 5: You have also on the original autopsy. 222 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 7: No strangulation, no asphyxiation, no markings on the neck, no bruising, 223 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 7: no life. 224 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 5: Threatening injuries of George Floyd. You have three. 225 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 7: Times the lethal amount of a fentanyl and his system at. 226 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: Amphetamine, et cetera. So I would say that there's always. 227 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 7: There's already quite a bit of you know, medical evidence 228 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 7: that's that's there. But what is significant about this is 229 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 7: they're saying that these catecholamines, the secretion of them, can 230 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 7: lead to an immediate heart attack. And I'll be honest, 231 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 7: I've had I've interviewed all of the officers that that 232 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 7: were involved, and they are very out of it. And 233 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 7: in the fact that they were doing a trained technique, 234 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 7: the maximum restraint technique that mysteriously disappears from the manual 235 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 7: the day after George Floyd dies. And they're also honest 236 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 7: in the fact that you know, I straight. 237 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 5: Up have asked them, did you murder George Floyd? 238 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 7: And they said, they all said no, something happened to 239 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 7: this guy. 240 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 5: They were trying. 241 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 7: To downgrade their force get the ambulance there even sooner, 242 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 7: a very problematic ambulance. 243 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 5: Uh response that we brought out. 244 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 7: In the fall of Minneapolis as well, that hasn't been 245 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 7: you know, really answered to either. Something that also could 246 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 7: not be brought up in Derek Schouman's trial, the fact 247 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 7: that the ambulance took so long to get there. 248 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 5: So so again there are just despite I think what 249 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 5: the people are obviously this is getting a. 250 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 7: Lot of attention now these you know, test results that 251 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 7: this should have been tested before. 252 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 5: But there's been so much there. 253 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 7: All along, you know, for more than four years now. 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 7: Just beyond this, this tumor that that George Floyd had. 255 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: Why do you think had had the request been made, 256 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: had the had this been requested before and it ended 257 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: up on the right judges desk? The timing for this 258 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: taking so long? Were there new developments that led to this? 259 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: How do we get to that point? I'll tell you 260 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: what I'm up against to break Liz Collin as our guest, 261 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: real quickly. Is The Fall of Minneapolis still available? How 262 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: if people want to watch that? How can they do that? 263 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that's the Fall off Minneapolis dot com. 264 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: You can watch the documentary there for free. 265 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 7: We also have a new in section on that website 266 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 7: where we keep people up to date on certain things 267 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 7: happening in the case. 268 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: All right, hain tight, right there. Liz Colin is our 269 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: guest the Fall of Minneapolis. 270 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: Doctor. 271 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to Michael Barry's show. Liz Collins is 272 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: our guest. She made a documentary called The Fall of Minneapolis, 273 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and it was a brave, courageous, noble, necessary thing to 274 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: put into evidence for the public to review in an 275 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: easy digestible form. A lot of details about George Floyd's 276 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: death that were kept from you by people on purpose, 277 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: and we should care about the truth. We can't just 278 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: send somebody to prison because of inconvenient truths or slavery 279 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: or prejudice or whatever else. And this all came about 280 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: at the time of the twenty twenty election to create 281 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: mayhem and chaos. And surely you understand by now. You've 282 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: seen what they did to Donald Trump in the courtroom, 283 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: You've seen the assassination attempt, You've seen so many things 284 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: COVID where you were lied to and information was kept 285 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: from you hunter Biden's laptop. There are no accidents here, folks. 286 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but it is clear 287 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: to me that information has been kept from you because 288 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: knowing would change your opinion. Okay, So I was going 289 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: to you with a question. It's the fall off Minneapolis 290 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: dot com. If you did not see her original work, 291 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: which I suggest you go to the timing of how 292 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: we ended up here, it seems sort of odd. 293 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly some people have said that with. 294 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: Trump moving back into to the White House, we just 295 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 7: seem to live in a different day and age now. 296 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 7: But just back up to remind you, because there's been 297 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 7: a lot that has happened. So Dirk Chauvin received nearly 298 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 7: a twenty two year prison sentence. He finds out about 299 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 7: a year into it about this paraganglioma, about this tumor 300 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 7: of George Floyd, and the fact that through some letters 301 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 7: he received in prison, the fact that some doctors had 302 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 7: come forward to try to raise alarm to Judge Peter K. 303 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 7: Hill at the time and his attorney that this testing 304 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 7: needed to be done. Derek himself says he was not 305 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 7: aware that this was even an issue at all. So 306 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 7: then we have in the meantime, his appeal is his 307 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 7: first appeal is rejected by the Minnesota State Supreme Court 308 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 7: as well as the US Supreme Court decides not to 309 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 7: take it up as well, and that appeal was filed 310 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 7: on the change of venue. You know, how the heck 311 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 7: could Derek Chowan get a fair trial in Hennepin County. Well, 312 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 7: they went ahead and denied that appeal. So he starts 313 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 7: working on another appeal and obviously don't get a million 314 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 7: a million chances here, But you're also up against a 315 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 7: bit of a clock. In the meantime, we put out 316 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 7: The Fall of Minneapolis, just all of these things that 317 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 7: you hadn't and we put out the book there lying 318 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 7: the media, the left and the death of George Floyd, 319 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 7: just all of these things that you probably didn't know 320 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 7: as a member of the public, and why weren't you 321 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 7: told the body camera video is withheld, etc. 322 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 5: Etc. So Derek himself learns more about this. 323 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 7: Case and is compiling a lot of different legal notes 324 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 7: in prison, he's stabbed twenty two times. Eight days after 325 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 7: the documentary comes out, he's stabbed nearly killed by a 326 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 7: former FBI informant who just so happened to be moved 327 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 7: into his unit about a month prior from what we 328 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 7: understand from him. 329 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 5: Nearly killed, loses access to his materials. 330 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 7: His materials he was working with that day in the 331 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 7: law library are soaked in blood he cannot get them back. 332 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 7: He's also denied access to his computer, his laptop in 333 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: prison for months on end. 334 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 5: So this is then going on. 335 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 7: He puts basically a placeholder for this appeal, been working 336 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 7: on a handwritten note to say I'm going to be 337 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 7: using information from the fall of Minneapolis and new medical 338 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 7: evidence to work on this appeal. So finally he has 339 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 7: a public defender assigned to this federal appeal in this case. 340 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 7: It goes ahead and compiles all of this put that together, 341 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 7: and so this is finally the judge ruling on this, 342 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 7: saying that they can go ahead with this testing. 343 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: But it's really been a long journey just to get 344 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 5: this far. 345 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 7: Meanwhile, there is a state appeal also happening at the 346 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 7: same time with his state sentence, because these are wrapped 347 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 7: concurrently running concurrently, I should say together here, and there's 348 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 7: been some movement in that as well. Judge Peter khle 349 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 7: I can say retired. He retired in October, two years 350 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 7: before his term expired, so I'm not exactly sure why 351 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 7: he left the bench, but there will be a new 352 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 7: judge taking a look at his state appeal. 353 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: That poor guy Derek Chauvin, because he knows what happened, 354 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: and he knows what most Americans don't know, and he 355 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: knows that he was not the proximate cause of George, 356 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: and he knows that a lot of people are aware 357 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: of this who are in positions of public trust, and 358 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: that they will not step in and get him out 359 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: of prison where he is in grave danger day in 360 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: and day out. Can you imagine the weight of the 361 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: world on that man. Do you know him personally? Do 362 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: you communicate with him? 363 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: Yeah? I do. 364 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 7: Actually, I would encourage people just to see my latest 365 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 7: interview with him, we posted just a couple of weeks ago. 366 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 7: Is the first time we were able to speak with 367 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 7: him since his stabbing, actually the year prior. But he 368 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 7: remains very resolved, and I think he finally has a 369 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 7: bit of hope that he didn't have before. And what's 370 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 7: so interesting is so few reporters, no politicians. I mean, 371 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 7: I was really thinking, Okay, after the fall of Minneapolis, 372 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 7: we're going to break this case kind of wide open. 373 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 7: It hasn't been the case at all. I mean, it's 374 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 7: certainly been this organic movement. A lot of people have 375 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 7: watched the documentary and said, holy heck, why weren't we 376 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 7: told about all of this? But the people who can 377 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 7: actually do something about it have not really been there. 378 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 5: And that's what I find pretty disturbing. 379 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: It's disturbing as it relates to him. It's kind of depressing, 380 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: you know. I like to think that people are inherently good, 381 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: not perfect, not great, prone to temptation, but I like 382 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: to think that people, have given the choice, will do 383 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: the right thing. And for this many people to not 384 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: do the right thing, it man, it really leaves me 385 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: leaves me shocked and sad. 386 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 5: No, I couldn't agree more. What does this say about humanity? 387 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 7: And that you know, I often think of the officers. 388 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: And involved here. I mean Alex King, who is you know, 389 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 5: his third day. 390 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 7: On the job, who's thrown in prison, from a wonderful 391 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 7: family from North Minneapolis. His mom's a long time and 392 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 7: I've gotten to know them through all this. Her son 393 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 7: dreams of being a police officer and now will be 394 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 7: a lifelong selon as a result of these lives. It 395 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 7: doesn't have to be this way. And this is what 396 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 7: I always say about what has happened to Minneapolis since 397 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 7: you know, they've lost forty percent of their police force, 398 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 7: another record year of homicides that they're closing the books on. 399 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 7: I could go on and on about the crime that 400 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 7: takes place there now that never happened. But that is 401 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 7: the message too. It doesn't have to be this way. 402 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 7: The truth can be a powerful thing, but people have 403 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 7: to be willing to tell it. 404 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: You know that that's just yet, that's just it. You know, 405 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: living in Houston as I do, where Sharon Watkins was 406 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: one of the time People of the Year for simply 407 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: asking the question to Ken lay Hey. With my accounting background, 408 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: this doesn't seem to make sense. She didn't burn the 409 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: place down, she didn't run through the streets, and they 410 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: did and say people, you know, need to be sent 411 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: to prison, and you know, people's entire life savings are 412 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: going to She simply raised a question which no one 413 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: else wanted to raise. The fact that that was such 414 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: a courageous act, not to take anything away from her, 415 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: says a lot about how many people were within that 416 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: company who cared more about themselves than they did the 417 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: investors and what was right and wrong, and that that 418 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: is sad. One more segment with Liz Colin our guest 419 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: George Floyd. Officer Derek Chauvin will be getting a new 420 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: trial with new details that have emerged in his case. 421 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: You can see the original documentary The Fall of Minneapolis 422 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: dot Com for free on that website. Will continue our 423 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: conversation with this Collin. I will die for the country, 424 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: I will die for disclass to Michael Barry Joe. This 425 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Colin is our guest. She made the documentary a few 426 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: years ago, The Fall of Minneapolis dot Com. She has 427 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: recent been in the news because there has been a 428 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: development in Derek Chauvin's case. The officer who was who 429 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: ended up pleading guilty to the charges against George Floyd, 430 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: but a lot of details were not provided. He knew, 431 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: he didn't he wanted this thing to go away, but 432 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: he now claims that he had ineffective assistance of counsel 433 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: and he's seeking a new trial, which has been granted 434 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: because he was not aware of the pathologist's report. Liz, 435 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: do we know how that came to his knowledge? I mean, 436 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: how this you know he didn't have it all these 437 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: years before. How did he come into contact with this 438 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: new information? 439 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, just before we. 440 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 7: Get too far, I just wanted to correct what you 441 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 7: said there. He hasn't been granted a new trial. What 442 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 7: he has been granted is basically access that George Floyd's 443 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 7: heart tissue and fluid can be tested. 444 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: So the judge gave the go ahead. 445 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 7: I read thy, conductor. 446 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 5: So I just want to just want to make make sure. 447 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 7: But yeah, so again the information came to Derek in prison, 448 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 7: that to these several different doctors who did not know 449 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 7: each other before all of this, had reached out to 450 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 7: his legal team and also to the judge at the time, saying, 451 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 7: you know this. 452 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 5: This tumor is a red flag. 453 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 7: You need to test the cat cola meines inside because 454 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 7: it's very common that it can lead to sudden cardiac death. 455 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 7: And you know, perhaps that's what we kind of see 456 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 7: on camera. But what's also interesting that I think people 457 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 7: are just picking up at this point. 458 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: Is that, you know, George Floyd is. 459 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 7: Pronounced dead about nine thirty at the hospital. He was 460 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 7: not dead there on scene, despite what wants to think. Yeah, 461 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 7: so he was alive, and it goes into full cardiac 462 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 7: arrests in fact, and the ambulance which is which is 463 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 7: documented as well, but we're not allowed Derek Chauvin in 464 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 7: his trial is not allowed to talk about really that 465 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 7: the problematic response by the ambulance and that could have 466 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 7: been a obviously a whole piece of this but which 467 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 7: we tried to touch on in the Fall of Minneapolis 468 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 7: as well. So these medical professionals reach out to him 469 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 7: and they say that, you know, you need to do 470 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 7: everything you. 471 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 5: Can to you know, get this tumor tested. 472 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 7: And finally a judge has has ruled in his favor 473 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 7: to say go ahead and and and do those tests. 474 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's important, you know, every that folks 475 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: understand the meaning of these things because if George Floyd 476 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: didn't die on site, but did die at the hospital. 477 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: That would mean that most likely the approximate cause of 478 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: death is not suffocation or or some form of his 479 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: whim pipe being of intructed by force. 480 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 5: Well, we already and that's what I already say. We 481 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 5: already know that already. 482 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 7: There was no asphyxiation, no suffocation, no bruising on the neck. 483 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 7: That is something they knew within twelve hours. And we've 484 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: been doing extensive reporting on this for years, and you 485 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 7: have conversations. 486 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: That take place between the prosecutor at the. 487 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 7: Time within Habington County and doctor Andrew Baker, the medical examiner. 488 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 5: Within twelve hours. 489 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 7: He is calling her Amy Sweezey use her name, saying 490 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 7: the public narrative does not match basically what I'm finding 491 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 7: in the autopsy. This is the kind of case that 492 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 7: ends careers. Those were his own words. I'm documented at 493 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 7: that time going oh gosh, this isn't you know, this 494 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 7: isn't what people already are saying it is. But instead 495 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 7: of releasing that information and being honest, releasing the body 496 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 7: camera footage and being honest, you have this manipulation taking 497 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 7: place behind the scenes all within just about a week, 498 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 7: enough to torch fifteen hundred businesses in Minneapolis. 499 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 5: To spread protests across. 500 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 7: The globe all over lies. It's really you know, to 501 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 7: this day, I just think absolutely repulsive what so many 502 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 7: people went along with. But here we are, you know, 503 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 7: still paying the consequences to this day. 504 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: What's perhaps as frustrating as anything else is how many 505 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: people have made a conscious decision that well, whether he 506 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: committed the murder or not, whether what's been told is 507 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: true or not. You know, there is racism and there 508 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: was slavery, and so you know, I really don't want 509 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: to let's just move on. You can't move on. The 510 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: truth has to be told. To start with, you got 511 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: a guy wrong fully imprisoned. And secondly, if laes can 512 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: be told and perpetuated and covered up and you're not 513 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: allowed to discuss it, and you know, as you note, 514 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: a city can burn to the ground, this means it 515 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: can happen again. 516 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 5: That yeah, And I'll be honest. I put up the 517 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 5: book a couple of years ago. Again it's called they're lying, 518 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 5: the media, the left and the death of George Floyd, 519 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 5: just thinking all right, I'll be able to sleep at 520 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 5: night now. I did my part, like, maybe somebody. 521 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 7: Will see this book twenty years from now and they'll say, 522 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 7: you know, don't basically, don't do what they did in Minneapolis. 523 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: We don't. This is going to be the guide book 524 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: of what of. 525 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 7: What not to do. But I think I think the 526 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 7: reason that, you know, the book and the documentary have 527 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 7: been so successful is that people still want the truth. 528 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 7: They believe in it, and it's sad that there are 529 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 7: so few people willing. 530 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 5: To tell it these days, or they test the winds before, 531 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: or you know, they muster up the courage to speak it. 532 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how has your life changed as a result 533 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: of you know, because I often say many times I 534 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: call them the naive neighbors or the blissfully ignorant, the 535 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: people who don't know and don't want to know. You know, 536 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: once you start thinking about what the deep state does, 537 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: for instance, it bothers you, right, it becomes one of 538 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: those things like Karen Silk, would you almost wish you 539 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: didn't know? 540 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that's a good a good point. But 541 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 5: you know, I'll be honest that you know, my my personal, 542 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 5: my professional life looks. 543 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 7: Radically different now than it did just five years ago. 544 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 7: I was the familiar face on the local news, anchoring newscasts, 545 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 7: reading words in front of me for for nearly twenty years. 546 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 5: But I just I feel like my life has. 547 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 7: Much more meaning now and my work matters now more 548 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 7: than I think it ever has before in my career. 549 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 7: So that's why I always tell people, don't ever be 550 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 7: afraid that you know, to take that jump and to 551 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 7: speak the truth, because it will pay off tenfold and 552 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 7: you really can actually sleep at night. I didn't really 553 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 7: feel the best about what I was doing before. 554 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: God bless you, Liz Colin. The original documentary is The 555 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Fall of Minneapolis dot Com. We will anxiously await forthcoming updates, 556 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: and we really appreciate the work that you continue to 557 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: do in the commitment you've had. Thank you for being 558 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: our guest list part. 559 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having Merry Christmas to you guys. 560 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 5: That is. 561 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: A subject we will be revisiting again and again and again, because, 562 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: by Dolly, it matters. You ask Jews today why they 563 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: continue to focus on the Holocaust eighty years later, because 564 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: the minute you don't, it will be forgotten. You ask 565 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: the Armenians, why do you people keep talking about something 566 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: that's so many Because the minute you forget it is 567 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: the minute it goes away and didn't happen. Cannot ever 568 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: allow that to happen.