1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Kalah. Here's 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: cal Boston PD is searching for a man they say 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: was hunting rabbits with a bow near Fenway Park. That's 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Fenway Park, as in, the home of the Red Sox 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and one of the most famous sports stadiums in the world. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Police responded to the area around one forty five am 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: last Friday to find a man wielding a bow and arrow. 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: They say they saw him shoot a rabbit, pick it up, 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: and then throw it in the bushes and run away. 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 1: The police report says the rabbit also appeared to run 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: away unharmed. Though I doubt Boston PD does much blood trailing. 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: If you think this is crazy, there's actually some precedent here. 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: Fenway is no stranger to hunting culture, largely in part 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: to the famous slugger ted Wie Williams, who, on May 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: twenty four, nineteen fifty seven, which for you baseball fans 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: is an off day at Fenway Park Old Teddy ballgame 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: quote was reported to have sat in a chair near 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: the Boston bullpen and sharpened his hitting eye by shooting 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: at every pigeon which cruised within range. The shotgun was 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: a twenty gage and old Ted knocked down thirty to 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: forty pigeons within Fenway Park. Previously, Ted had knocked the 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: new off a twenty two caliber rifle this was the 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: year before, by sighting it in on the lights somewhere 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: out in Fenway's center field. For the record, and according 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: to an old issue of Sports Illustrated, Ted's hand eye 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: coordination did improve after his pigeon population control practice, as 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: he went out big the last game against the Phillies 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: with four singles, a double, and a homer to end 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: the year with a four h six average. Now the 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: guy with the bow has not been apprehended as of 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: this recording. In is hitting us all pretty hard. You 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: gotta get your groceries wherever you can. But I and 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure Ted would prefer you collect your game, even 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: if it means getting a ticket. And just a reminder, 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Ted was getting paid eighteen thousand dollars a year with 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: that four h six average, one million dollars. This week, 38 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: we got a ton of cool stuff. But I'm gonna 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: skip the usual intro because we got so much to do, 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and just tell you how cool my week has been 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: up to this point. I got together with my buddy 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: Eric Crawford aka Woods Boss, who is the Lower Snake 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: director for Trout Unlimited, that's Snake River. I'm gonna get 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Eric on the show here shortly to get you through 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: this stuff because it is incredibly complex and it's huge. 46 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: But we're talking about breaching the lower four Snake River dams. 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: Congressman Mike Simpson if your call, about three years ago, 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: laid out a proposal to breach the dams. Breaching of 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: the dams is largely understood to be the only way 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: that we can fix our salmon and steelhead situation, which 51 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: is bad, Okay, It's largely on life support due to 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: the support of hatcheries, which some folks call synthetic fish. 53 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: Hatchery fish are ston't fun to catch, they're there to eat. 54 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: It's keeping people's interest in the fishery and taking the 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: pressure off of wildfish. That's the whole reason for a hatchery. 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Wildfish populations are crazy below like we're at the bottom end, 57 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: not even a blip on historical number levels, okay, And 58 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: historical numbers is kind of what we want to get 59 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: back to. That's what we would consider healthy. Now the 60 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: proposal if you were to breach these four Snake River dams, 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: there's a ton that would go into this because taking 62 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: those dams away would affect a ton of people, some 63 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: folks who don't give a rip about salmon and steelhead 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: for sure. We generate power through the dams. Farmers pull 65 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: water from reservoirs in the lower pool was created by 66 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: the dams. Goods are shipped via barge all the way 67 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: up the river through a system of locks into the 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: port of Lewiston, Idaho, a crazy four hundred and sixty 69 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: five miles from the ocean. That's a lot of moving 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: parts and pieces and a ton of interest groups who 71 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: need to align behind this idea in order to make 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: it happen. So, in this day and age where nobody 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: can agree on anything, why even try well. A huge 74 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: driving force behind action to recover salmon is the Nez 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Perce tribe, who, in their treaty with the United States 76 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: government negotiated a guarantee of not only salmon, but wild 77 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: salmon in that river, which would mean, of course, not 78 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: just salmon to look at, but sustainable harvestable amounts of 79 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: salmon a natural run but we've seriously messed with nature. 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: In order to mitigate some of that messing with nature, 81 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: we've tried to help it along the way with fish ladders, 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: rearing programs, hatcheries, pipes bypasses, literal trucking of fish from 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: one place to another. We've implemented bounty programs on other 84 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: native fish that pre date on salmon and steelhead smoke. 85 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: We pay people to haze raptors by shooting shotgun shells 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: at eagles and osprey who are trying to eat downriver 87 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: migrating smoke. It's a huge story. I can't tell you 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: all of it, so again i'll have Eric on shortly 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: to tell you about all this. I'll just tell you 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: one little snippet of what I saw. We stood in 91 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: the Lower Granite Dam fish viewing window, which is on 92 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: top of the portion of a fish ladder. A fish 93 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: ladder is one of those things that we put in 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: to try to help fish migrate around the dams. I 95 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: think the best way to think of a fish ladder 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: is like this. It's a long staircase, right, And if 97 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: you remember back into your your college days, or if 98 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: you got a bunch of messy kids in your house, 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: and they're getting undressed going up that staircase, and they're 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: dropping a piece of clothing on every other stair Each 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: chunk of clothing would be like a chunk of concrete. 102 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: That concrete a little eddy behind it, a resting spot 103 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: for fish as they try to move from one step 104 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: to the next step to the next step, all the 105 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: way up that staircase. That's kind of what a fish 106 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: ladder is. Okay. Anyway, we're looking through the window at 107 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: the top of this fish ladder for fish that are 108 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: migrating up through the dam, and I got this great 109 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: picture of a big chinook salmon with two walleye underneath it. Okay, 110 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: These dams create reservoirs still water with tons of food 111 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: coming through, and folks have dumped in other fish that 112 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: they like to fish for, like smallmouth bass and walleye, 113 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: which are fun to catch, fun to fish for, fun 114 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: to eat. But they're just smashing steelhead and salmon smoll 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: as they try to get down to the ocean. And 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: those fish are working their way up through these fish 117 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: ladders into more and more sensitive habitat. So this is 118 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: all our doing. We got a responsibility to fix it 119 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: the best way we can Congressman Simpson's plan may be 120 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: that best way. And there's a whole sovereign nation, in fact, 121 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: four different sovereign nations that have a vested interest in 122 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: healthy salmon and steelhead runs, and they struck a deal 123 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: with the US government a long time ago that says 124 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: we the people will guarantee that those fish will be there. 125 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: So lots more happening on this crazy subject. Lots of ins, 126 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: lots of outs, very eye opening, and we're gonna dig 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: way more into it later. Big thanks to everyone around 128 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Lewis and Idaho for letting us chat and fish with them. 129 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: Big thanks to the nez Perst tribe for letting us 130 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: look at your operation. Big thanks to the folks Rafino 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: who we chatted with lots of small business owners, really 132 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: really interesting stuff, but thank you for inviting us in 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: to check this situation out. We need to do a 134 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: whole show on Pacific lamprey and celts, but for now 135 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: we got to move onto the cougar desk. The Mountain 136 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Lion Hunting Band is officially on the ballot this November 137 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: in Colorado, but two studies have been published recently that 138 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: highlight just how bad of an idea that would be 139 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: the idea to ban mount lion hunting. It's already on 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: the ballot. We got to deal with that in November 141 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: when it comes up. First study released earlier this month 142 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: in the peer reviewed journal Ecology and Evolution has found 143 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: that hunting mount lions with hounds discourages juvenile cats from 144 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: entering human populated areas. The study compared two sites in 145 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: California and Nevada. These sites are ecologically similar, but California 146 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: has banned lion hunting, while Nevada still allows hunting with hounds. 147 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: The researchers use GPS collar data to analyze the two 148 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: populations of lions, and they looked specifically at where juvenile 149 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: male lions go during dispersal. Dispersal is a scientific term 150 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: that just means when a young lion leaves his mother 151 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: and goes looking for mates and territories of his own. 152 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Mounta lions can travel great distances during these events, and 153 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: these young cats are often the ones that get in 154 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: trouble with humans. They may have never seen a human 155 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: before or had a negative interaction, so they don't see 156 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: what's wrong with wandering into a neighborhood and sniffing around 157 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: for pets and dogs and you know, little kids and whatnot. Anyway, 158 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: the researchers analyzed GPS color data and found that young 159 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: lions in California and Nevada generally pick the same kinds 160 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: of habitat in both states, with one notable exception. Mountain 161 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: lions in Nevada tended to avoid something called anthropogenic covariates, 162 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: or places where humans are. This includes developed land, hay 163 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and crop areas, and even four wheel drive roads. They 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: found this effect on cats that had been run with 165 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: dogs and on cats that had not been run with dogs. 166 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: In these areas where cats had been chased with dogs, 167 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: mountain lions tended to just avoid humans more frequently. We're 168 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: obviously not talking about cats that have been shot, because 169 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: you know that won't be much of a study. Dead 170 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: cat can't get up and go see a person on 171 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: its own. The researchers concluded quote our study found in 172 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: increased avoidance of developed landscapes by animals exposed to non 173 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: lethal hunting pressure, suggesting mount lions may select against landscape 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: features correlated with high human activity, including areas with dogs. 175 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Because hunting and pursuing mount lions with hounds often occurs 176 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: in these spaces. Pursuit with hounds could provide wildlife managers 177 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: with a previously underutilized method for reducing human mount lion conflicts. 178 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: The authors admit they can only speculate on how much 179 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: chasing cougars with hounds might decrease the prevalence of cat 180 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: human conflicts, but it stands to reason that if fewer 181 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: lions are around humans, fewer negative interactions will occur. Kugar 182 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: de terrence isn't the only thing Colorado stands to lose 183 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: by outlying mountain lion hunting. A new report published this 184 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: month by the Common Sense Institute estimates that the hunting 185 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: ban would cost the state of Colorado over sixty one 186 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: million dollars in lost economic revenue. The Parks and Wildlife 187 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Department would lose about four hundred thousand in just lion 188 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: hunting license sales, but the total economic impact goes far 189 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: beyond that. About four hundred and forty fewer mounta lions 190 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: will be killed every year if this initiative passes. On average, 191 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: mount lions kill one elk or mule deer per week, 192 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: which means that four hundred and forty lions could reduce 193 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: the elk and mule deer population by thousands. The study 194 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: assumes that each lost elk and mule deer represents a 195 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: lost opportunity to sell a tag, so banning mount lion 196 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: hunting would also cut another three point six to five 197 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: point eight million dollars from the Parks and Wildlife budget. 198 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Of course, hunters know that we spend money on more 199 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: than just tags. Using economic data on the impact of 200 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: elk and mule deer hunting in Colorado, the study further 201 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: estimates that the total economic impact of the loss of cougar, 202 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: elk and mule deer hunting would exceed sixty one million dollars. 203 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: I'll admit the report makes some big assumptions, the biggest 204 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: of which is that each lost elk or mule deer 205 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: means the Wildlife Department will cut quotas by one license. 206 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's true, but it is one hundred 207 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: percent true that more mount lions mean fewer ungulates. Over time, 208 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and combined with the growing wolf packs, those predators will 209 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: shrink the elkinder population, which will doubtless cost coloradoms a 210 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: whole lot of money. Unfortunately, most of those Coloradoms will 211 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: be the folks who won't be voting for this initiative. 212 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Outfitters and guides, hotel and restaurant owners, and rural communities 213 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: and all the other businesses in towns with big hunting 214 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: populations will be the hardest hit by this initiative and 215 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: the trend that it sets. Now, if you live in Colorado, 216 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: it's not that long until November, Okay, until the vote. 217 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: What you can do is super effective, right, Engage your neighbors. 218 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: Make sure that they know why you like to hunt. 219 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: Make sure that they know that you love the outdoors. 220 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: You have a great understanding of the natural world because 221 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: of it. You have a great understanding of nature because 222 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: of hunting. And you can cook a really good meal 223 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: that you can share with these people and say, here, 224 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: this is what hunting is all about. This is what 225 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: we stand to lose. By the way, if you don't 226 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: agree with hunting, that's just fine. But because you find 227 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: it disagreeable, does that mean it should go away? After all, 228 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: we can all look at our neighbors and find something 229 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: that they do that we don't, that we don't necessarily like, 230 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: but guess what, it's none of our business. Like, for instance, 231 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: my next door neighbor has an outdoor cat. I know 232 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: it's an outdoor cat because it walks around the field 233 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: behind the houses, not in the guy's backyard. I don't 234 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: like that. I got many ways to take care of 235 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: that cat, but it's none of my business right now. 236 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Moving on to the policy desk, Idaho Fish and Game 237 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: is seeking members for a new Hunting and Advanced Technology 238 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: Working Group that will assess public perspectives on what technology 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: is or is not considered fair chase in the pursuit 240 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: of game. The group, which will go by the acronym HAT, 241 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: will presumably consider things like drone technology, muzzle litter advancements, 242 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: and game cameras to assess whether any changes need to 243 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: be made to the hunting regulations. You have to read 244 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: a bit between the lines, but this working group is 245 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: a partial response to a different change Idaho Fishing Game 246 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: made several decades ago. For many years, the agency has 247 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: been working to increase opportunities for more resident and non 248 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: resident hunters to get out in the field. This means 249 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: selling more licenses and tags, which allows for more opportunity 250 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: but negatively impacts the quality of hunts for some Idaho 251 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: hunters now, especially post covid population booms and greater interest 252 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: in Western hunting, combined with Idaho Fishing Game's focus on opportunity, 253 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: has meant more folks out in the field. If you 254 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: further combine that increase in hunter population with advances in technology, 255 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: you have a recipe for some serious dissatisfaction. Here's the 256 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: paragraph from the Idaho Fishing Game press release. Fishing Game 257 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: has traditionally managed game species with a focus on providing 258 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: greater hunter opportunity, including a higher number of available tags 259 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: and longer seasons. Some members of Idaho's outdoor sporting community 260 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: have begun to express concerns related to the advancement of 261 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: hunting technology and the potential erosion of fairchase ethic. However, 262 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Fish and Game also acknowledges that other members of Idaho's 263 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: outdoor sporting community do not share those same concerns. So 264 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: there you go. If you'd like to participate in this 265 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: working group and have a real voice in whether or 266 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: not changes are made, you can fill out an application 267 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: on the IDFG website. If you're thinking to yourself, boy, 268 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to, but I just don't have the time 269 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: time to suck it up seriously from one volunteer to another. 270 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: It's just what it takes. Right now, Moving on to 271 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: the bear attack desk, I have a neopolitan of bear 272 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: attacks for you this week involving all three major species 273 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: of North American Brewin first, in Canada's None of Us territory, 274 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: two polar bears attacked and killed an employee of a 275 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: communications company, and officials are still trying to piece together 276 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: what happened. That might be a bad choice of words. 277 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: All the public knows at this point is that the 278 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: bears attacked and killed someone working at a remote radar 279 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: site operated by a company called Nasatuck Corporation. Nasatuck operates 280 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: a string of radar sites in Canada's Arctic region known 281 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: as the North Warning System. This system is designed to 282 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: protect North American airspace by detecting aircraft and cruise missiles 283 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: flying within its radar range. The bears killed the employee 284 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: working at the site in Rebort Island, None of Us. 285 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: After the incident, other employees of Nasatuck responded and killed 286 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: one of the bears, according to a press release from 287 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: the company. Neither the company nor government officials have released 288 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: any additional information as of this recording. Polar bear attacks 289 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: are extremely rare. The last one occurred last year, when 290 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: a bear killed a woman and her year old son 291 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: in a remote village in Alaska. One per year is 292 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: actually higher than average. A twenty seventeen study found that 293 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: from eighteen seventy to twenty fourteen, there were seventy three 294 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: confirmed polar bear attacks in countries where the bears live 295 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: that resulted in twenty fatalities. I don't know whether there 296 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: has ever been an attack involving two bears, but I 297 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: imagine that's even more rare. There's a little asterix here, 298 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: and this is something that I picked up from talking 299 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: with locals in remote areas. Big difference between confirmed and actual, 300 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: as well as reported and actual. Now anecdotal reporting here, folks, 301 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: But I do want to be sensitive to folks that 302 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: live in very rural areas and feel that oftentimes what's 303 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: actually happening gets overlooked because authorities who make the reports 304 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: couldn't get there in time to find the evidence. Moving 305 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: much closer to home, in Montana, black bear was euthanized 306 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: after it attacked and injured as sleeping child in a tent. 307 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: The three year old girl was taken to a medical facility. 308 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: In billings and treated for injuries. I haven't seen any 309 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: updates yet on her condition. The bear was a subadult 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: female and she didn't have a history of conflicts with humans. However, 311 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: FWP found unsecured attractants around and inside the tent where 312 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: the attack occurred, including garbage, a cooler, and human food. 313 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: FWP believes the bear had likely become food conditioned and 314 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: human habituated after accessing unsecured attractants in the area. Wildlife 315 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: officials evacuated the campsite and set traps for the bear, 316 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: and they caught and killed it the following day. They 317 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: said in a press release that evidence at the site 318 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: matched the physical characteristics of the bear, so they believe 319 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: it was the same one involved in the incident. Last 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: one for you, a twenty four year old woman fought 321 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: off a grizzly bear that attacked her while she was 322 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: jogging near the town of Haines Junction, Yukon. The sun 323 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: had just set when Vanessa chap Put rounded a corner 324 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: and saw three bears in the path up ahead, But 325 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: rather than asking to test out her chair, bed and porridge, 326 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: these three bears just stood there looking serious. Chaput tried 327 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: to back away slowly, but her German shepherd had other 328 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: ideas took off after the two smaller bears, which left 329 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: Chaput by herself staring down an adult grizzly. That bear 330 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: charged her, took her to the ground and shook her 331 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: like a rag doll. According to the woman, the bear 332 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: had its mouth around her head, but she put things 333 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: that let her go. After her hair clip exploded in 334 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: a she cowered behind a tree and tried to make 335 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: herself look non threatening, but the bear turned around and 336 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: came back toward her. That's when the German shepherd redeemed 337 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: itself by barking somewhere in the distance, which is why 338 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: she put believes the bear turned and ran away from 339 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: her and towards the dog. That gave the woman enough 340 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: time to make her way to the road and call 341 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: for help. She spent ten days in the hospital, where 342 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: she received more than thirty stitches on her head, her back, 343 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: her arm, and her ear. She had a broken arm, 344 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: which is still in a cast, and says she lost 345 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: blood but did not need a transfusion. As for the bears, 346 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: the Yukon Conservation Officers Services say that one bear was 347 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: killed in the exact spot of the attack, while two 348 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: other bears were killed in the following hours. They also 349 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: believe a fourth bear was on the scene, but they 350 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: haven't been able to locate it. And because I know 351 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: you're wondering, the German shepherd was fine. It made its 352 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: way back through the woods while avoiding the grizzlies and 353 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: met Chapputt as she was calling for help beside the road. 354 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Moving on to the citizen science desk, Attention, Minnesota upland 355 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: bird hunters. The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources wants to 356 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: read your diary, but it doesn't care about who likes who, 357 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: which celebrity you're into on this week, or why Sharon 358 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: is such a bee. Ha uh huh. That is so fetch, Gretchen. 359 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: Stop trying to make fetch happen. It's not going to happen. Instead, 360 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: they're asking upland hunters to keep a diary on when 361 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: and where you hunt, and many birds you see along 362 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: the way, and how many birds you beg Then they 363 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: want you to submit that information to DNR biologists who 364 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: will use it to better manage pheasants, grouse, and other 365 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: upland species. The new hunter's diaries will allow upland hunters 366 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: in Minnesota to provide more details into their experiences in 367 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: the field, including sightings, flushes, hunt logistics, as well as 368 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: number of birds in the bag during the season, said 369 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: Bailey Peterson, a DNR wildlife biologist in Two Harbors. He 370 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: explained that for most species, a single survey as all 371 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: biologists have to work with, that's better than nothing, but 372 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota is a big state. They're hoping crowdsourcing survey data 373 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: will give them better sense of how the upland populations 374 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: are doing, which will let them make more effective management decisions. 375 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: For example, a dn R biologist told the Duluth News 376 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: Tribune that they've come to doubt their traditional survey methods 377 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: for rough grouse. In the past, they've tried to estimate 378 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: the population by counting how often the males are heard 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: drumming along predetermined routes in the woods, but they've noticed 380 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: that those survey numbers aren't a good predictor of how 381 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: successful hunters will be in the field. They're hoping that 382 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: hunters will be willing to make some time after their 383 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: hunt to record their observations and provide better data than 384 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: they currently have for those concerned. The DNR is assuring 385 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: hunters that all information hunters submit will be kept private, 386 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry that your favorite secret 387 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: spot will end up in a DNR report. By offering 388 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: these assurances, the agency is hoping hunters will provide all 389 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: the specific information they're looking for, and they're looking for 390 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: quite a bit of it. They want hunters to record 391 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: where they park their vehicle, their distance to the nearest town, 392 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: whether they're on public or private, whether they use a 393 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: designated hunting trail, how many hours they hunted, along with 394 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: all the information related to the birds scene while in 395 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: the field. The DNR is asking participants to go online 396 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: after each hunt while the information is still fresh in 397 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: their memory and submit a diary for that day's efforts. 398 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: If that's not possible, you can also download a diary 399 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: form and fill it out manually, then submit the data 400 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: online at the end of the season. There is no 401 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: provision for hunters to mail in paper diaries. You can 402 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: submit Upland Hunter Diaries reports on the one two to 403 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: three survey app, which is free, or do it online. 404 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: The Upland Hunter Diary was scheduled to be available to 405 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 1: the public starting August fifteenth, at this link that we're 406 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: going to put in the ASCAL section on the Mediator website. 407 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can also just google Minnesota upland Hunter 408 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: Survey and it'll come up. To add a little bit 409 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: of spice to this. Put a little snot on the 410 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: ball for you. You know, I love love citizen science. 411 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: Every hunter in the field is a citizen scientist. It 412 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: just means you gotta record that data and submit it 413 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: to somebody. So this is what I'm gonna do. You know, 414 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: I love the bird vest that I use, which is 415 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: a Final Rise upland vest. They're freaking great. I'm gonna 416 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: give you a Final Rise vest and a couple of 417 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: col pouches with your little shotgun shell organizers that old 418 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: Paul Lewis and I made up on the FAHF side 419 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: of things. Super awesome stuff. Okay, I'm gonna give you 420 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: one of those things. Or we'll do it this way. Okay, 421 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: if you use the DNR form, okay, fill it out, 422 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: send it to me. We're gonna get a bunch of these, 423 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna randomly select them. Okay. The first person 424 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: that I randomly select is going to get a Final 425 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: Rise bird Hunting vest. The next two people are gonna 426 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: get a set of col pouches from FHF. Okay, sound good, participate, 427 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: show me that you participate and I'll pick some winners. 428 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: Will incentivize you, even though I know you don't need 429 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: to be incentivized. You're just in it for the science. Okay, 430 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: that'll be an end to season deal. Let's say into 431 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: October October thirty one. I'm gonna select our winners October 432 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: thirty one. You got it good, We'll put that in 433 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: the website too. Moving on to the Diversity, Equity and 434 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: Inclusion Desk or DEI, a fox hunting group in the 435 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: UK says they planned to file a lawsuit arguing that 436 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: fox hunters qualify as a protected ethnic minority under the 437 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: country's Equality Act of twenty ten. I'm not sure if 438 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: this says more about how British hunters have been persecuted 439 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: or how the Equality Act was written, but at least 440 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: one pro hunting group thinks they have a chance. Ed 441 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Swales is the bloke leading this operation. He runs an 442 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: outfit called Hunting Kind, and he says that UK fox 443 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: hunters meet all five of the qualifications of an ethnic 444 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: group laid out in the Equality Act. These are that 445 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: they have a long shared history of culture which is 446 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: distinct from wider society. They have distinct customs of their own, 447 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: they share a common geographical origin, they share common ancestors, 448 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: and they have a common language or literature. If you 449 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: think of it that way, it does make sense if 450 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: they qualify it as an ethnic group. They must also 451 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: prove that they've suffered persecution. Swales points to how fox 452 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: hunters have lately suffered discrimination such as losing work or contracts, 453 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: or have been abused on social media. His argument past 454 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: someone who sits on the Council of the European Court 455 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: of Human Rights. That person says they have a solid 456 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: legal argument that, if successful, would put UK fox hunters 457 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 1: in the same category as the Roma community, which can 458 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: learn more about by watching the Netflix documentary Peaky Blinders. 459 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: Just kidding. Here's Swales speaking on a Field Sports Channel podcast. 460 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: The attack on hunting and the anti hunting lobby, let's say, 461 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: by the animal rights extremist movement has effectively been a 462 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: person nonperson conflict using the excuse of animal welfare. It's 463 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: something to do with animal welfare. It's just people against 464 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: people and therefore the work we've been doing is in 465 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: the legal space under the Equality Act twenty ten, and 466 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 2: no work has been done to protect hunting or the 467 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: minority group of people that partake in it like us, 468 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: since that Act has been created. 469 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: I hate to be the bearer of a bucket of 470 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: cold water, but this sounds to me like a long shot. Still, 471 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: it goes to show just how desperate UK hunters are 472 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: to have their hunting rights back, and why it's not 473 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: a bad idea to institute a right to hunt and fish, 474 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: as many states here in the US have done, but 475 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: we need everybody to do it. Moving on to the 476 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: mailbag desk, we received tons of great emails from you 477 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: folks about the EPANTS segment we ran last week. Technology 478 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: in the woods is a big topic and I appreciate 479 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: everyone's thoughtful responses. Listener Garrett Weaver wrote in to ask 480 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: how the EPANT question is different from the quote atv 481 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: UTV crowd that bring their entire home in the form 482 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: of a camper. These comforts allow people to bring more gears, 483 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: stay longer, and cover much more ground than ever before. 484 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Of course, you can't drive a side by side into 485 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: true backcountry, but it has opened up deeper levels of 486 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: hunting for a more sedentary population. Garrett goes even further 487 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: down this road and wonders whether modern medicine will make 488 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: some of these questions obsolete. Quote what happens when technology 489 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: advances human health to the point of not needing mechanical assistance. 490 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: We could legislate out fancy electric pants and weight reducing backpacks, 491 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: only for those laws to become obsolete when medical advancements 492 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: allow a seventy five year old to perform at the 493 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: level of a forty year old. I know a lot 494 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: of hardcore wolf trappers here in Idaho, and the most 495 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: successful guys are in their forties and fifties. They've had 496 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: the time to gain experience, making them more effective, and 497 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: they are also at a fitness level where they can 498 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: compete with the younger guys. Their only limit is age, 499 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: and if that is it remedied with modern medicine, they 500 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: will continue to be very effective into old age. How 501 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: do you limit effectiveness when physical limitations are as severe? 502 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: You tell me right in to a s k C 503 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: A L. That's askcal at the meetater dot com. Answer 504 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: that question and let us know what's going on in 505 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: your neck of the Woods. Thank you so much for listening. 506 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again next week.