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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Rich Beryl. Let's talk about our guest here, Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 2: He is the psychic Lawyer. He's a fourth generation psychic

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Speaker 2: medium who communicates with spirits. He is an Oxford educated

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Speaker 2: attorney who has tried over one hundred jury trials and

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Speaker 2: is licensed in Florida, Washington, c and has spoken before

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, which I think is also cool. He's

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Speaker 2: called the psychic Explorer as well, and that is due

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Speaker 2: to his extensive background in science, quantum physics, survival of consciousness,

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Speaker 2: near death experience, history, archaeology, philosophy, and theology. What a

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Speaker 2: pleasure to meet you, Mark Anthony. Hey, thanks for spending

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Speaker 2: some time with us tonight on Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Rich, thanks for having me on. It's great

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Speaker 3: being back. And you know, you brought up something earlier

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Speaker 3: about Friday the thirteenth, And yes, we do want to

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Speaker 3: avoid the political but there really kind of is something

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Speaker 3: about Friday the thirteenth, because it was in the early

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Speaker 3: hours of Friday, June thirteenth, three thirty am Tehran time,

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Speaker 3: when Israel launched its offensives. So once again, Friday the

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Speaker 3: thirteenth rears its very conspicuous.

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Speaker 2: Head on the world stage. Where did the Friday the

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Speaker 2: thirteenth start getting it? Its? What the lore behind it?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of background on the number thirteen.

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Speaker 3: So if it's okay, I'd like to start there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're here for you for. Let's go okay.

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Speaker 3: Twelfth has always been considered a number of great balance,

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Speaker 3: and thirteen was considered irregular and upsets the balance of nature.

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Speaker 3: And the earliest anomaly related to the number thirteen rich

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Speaker 3: comes from the Code of Hammurabi. Now, Hammurabi was a

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Speaker 3: king that ruled in a rock around seventeen ninety BC.

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Speaker 3: All right, so we're talking almost four thousand years ago,

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Speaker 3: and the Code of Hammurabi is the first known set

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Speaker 3: of laws that were ever codified. They were carved into

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Speaker 3: this giant stone pillar and there was over two hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty two rules which included fines and punishments for

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Speaker 3: you know, various infractions, various crimes. And out of between

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Speaker 3: one and two hundred and eighty two, there's one number

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Speaker 3: which is missing. Guess which one it is? Thirteen? You

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Speaker 3: bet it is. So archaeologists have been pondering this for

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Speaker 3: a long time and they're thinking, well, maybe a scribe

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Speaker 3: forgot to chisel it into the pillar, or was there

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Speaker 3: another reason? And then according to numerology, a numerology began

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Speaker 3: to emerge about the same time as astrology once again

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Speaker 3: in the Valley of the Two Rivers Mesopotamia, which is

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Speaker 3: now the country of Iraq, and twelve was considered a

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Speaker 3: number of completeness. There's twelve astrological signs, twelve months in

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Speaker 3: the year, twelve hours on a clock. In ancient Greece,

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Speaker 3: there were twelve main gods on Mount Olympus. Disciples, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're getting there, we're getting there.

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Speaker 2: There was twelve.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's good because that means you're on

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Speaker 3: top of it and I love it. Now this brings

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Speaker 3: us to the Vikings. The Vikings considered thirteen an unlucky number,

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Speaker 3: and like the Greeks, they had twelve main gods. So,

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Speaker 3: according to Norse mythology, the twelve gods are having a

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Speaker 3: feast in their version of heaven, which is Valhalla. And

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Speaker 3: god of light Balder, and at the parties for the

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Speaker 3: Norse gods, according to their legends, they would drink and

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Speaker 3: get a little bit violent, and Balder was immune to everything,

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Speaker 3: god party. But then the god of deceit, fire and magic, Loki,

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Speaker 3: the uninvited, unlucky guest. Now, Loki also knew that Balder's kryptonite,

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Speaker 3: with missletoe, and he shot it at Balder and it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now Christianity comes onto to the world scene,

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Speaker 3: Wiccan faith or you know, the Celtic religions and witches

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Speaker 3: thirteen witches in a covin. All right, So this may

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Speaker 3: seem irrational, but in our modern day, most cities don't

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, because as a kid,

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Speaker 2: And I think, maybe being five or six, I think

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Speaker 2: still fascinates that me that even now in modern day,

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Speaker 3: In fact, Otis Elevators reports that eighty five percent of

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Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Then again you know, I said, you know, Friday the

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Speaker 3: we would now consider psychic abilities. Saint Anthony of Potua

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Speaker 3: his body. Long story short, Saint Anthony of Potua is

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Speaker 3: saying of people facing starvation. He's the champion of sailors, travelers,

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Speaker 3: the elderly and expectant mothers. And for those people who

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Speaker 3: Anthony to help you find it. So there is a

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Speaker 3: flip side to this as well. But for thousands of years,

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, the biggest of them all right up

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Speaker 2: the same kind of power. It's interesting, Well, since you're

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Speaker 2: a psychic, you're probably the best person to answer this question.

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Speaker 2: I thought about it like this today before you came on,

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Speaker 2: because we talk about it being one of those days

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Speaker 2: the surface, the veil seems very thin. On Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of when people are talking

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Speaker 2: sort of backwards. Well I imagine that some people when things

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Speaker 2: people thrive on a Friday the thirteenth too? Can it

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Speaker 2: be a lucky day?

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting is this phobia, this this frigatriska decaphobia,

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Speaker 3: paris gubi deca triphobia. But basically they're very long words

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Speaker 3: between seventeen and twenty million Americans fear Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 3: a hit on the stock market. Now there's an older study,

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Speaker 2: Well, add today to the list too, right, because today

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Speaker 3: Down well because of the new conflict in the Middle

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Speaker 3: markets took a pretty significant hit. But on the flip

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Speaker 3: side of the cosmic coin, studies have also shown that

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Speaker 3: because people have a reluctance to go out on Friday

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Speaker 3: But for those who are suspicious about numbers, it could

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what a great guest you are.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even ask you about being a psychic lawyer,

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Speaker 2: yet we got right into Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, really did.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: We haven't had a chance to meet before this show,

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Speaker 2: but I have been doing my homework on you, and

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Speaker 2: I find you to be very fascinating now as it

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Speaker 2: turns out. Of course, because I'm an odd person, I

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Speaker 2: have lots of odd friends and a lot of them

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Speaker 2: make their careers being psychics. But you are a fourth

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Speaker 2: generation psychic, so this absolutely run through your family. And

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Speaker 2: I assume that your accuracy mark is probably very high.

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Speaker 2: But I do not have have I ever heard the

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Speaker 2: term psychic lawyer. Tell me about that real quick.

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Speaker 3: and then that pretty much stuck. My brand technically is

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Speaker 3: That's my law degree and the reason we adopt Psychic

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Speaker 3: Psychic Lawyer certainly has been a very cool moniker and

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Speaker 3: I've been called in on a number of investigations and

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Speaker 3: Destinations of the Damned, was Zach Began's, and I know

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Speaker 3: He's a great guy who's really wonderful working with his team.

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Speaker 3: And we were investigating the Indiana State Sanatorium because it's

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Speaker 2: If that place isn't haunted, it ought to be, because

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Speaker 3: Like it it really does. I mean, it's about as

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Speaker 3: with Gary Galka, who invented the spirit box, and Gary's

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Speaker 3: great guy, brilliant man electrical engineers. So they wanted me

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Speaker 3: because I'm a science based evanential medium and an attorney

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Speaker 3: because aside from all the tragic deaths that have occurred there,

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Speaker 3: but it closed right after a supposed murder suicide, and

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Speaker 3: what I was getting vibrationally and spiritually was that it

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Speaker 2: With that, and I feel like that spirit box is

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Speaker 3: Yes, the spirit box what it does is it scans

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Speaker 3: up on voices of spirit. And in my book, The

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Speaker 3: Afterlife Frequency, that's my last book, I introduced the electromagnetic

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Speaker 3: theory is that our soul is pure electromagnetic energy and

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Speaker 3: when it leaves the body, it is a coherent quantum field.

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Speaker 3: But we're able to communicate with these coherent quantum fields.

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Speaker 3: And you know, some people say, well, that sounds very

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Speaker 3: very technical for a soul. That as my friend and colleague,

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Speaker 3: doctor Gary Schwartz and Professor Emeritis Ativersity of Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he said that, let's look at He adopted the term

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Speaker 3: and other scientists have as well. They call it the EMS.

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Speaker 3: He said, well, let's look at electromagnetic soul and take

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Speaker 3: the word soul to stand for a source of universal love.

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Speaker 3: So yes, there is a technical explanation based on sound

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Speaker 3: the afterlife near death experiences. But they're also we can't

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Speaker 3: negate love, which is energy and which is central to spirituality.

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Speaker 2: It can be measured in a way it can.

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Speaker 3: It can, And so what was really cool Gary was

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Speaker 3: picking up on stuff. But and I wish they would

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Speaker 3: have filmed this, but we were having lunch together. It

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Speaker 3: show you how this works. And now, the reason Gary

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Speaker 3: under you know, tragic circumstances, and he's an electrical engineer,

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Speaker 3: and he said, I'm going to develop some technology to

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Speaker 3: be able to communicate with her. So he turns this

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Speaker 3: I heard my parents' voices come to you. This chills

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Speaker 3: and then yeah, and then all said, oh wait. I said, Gary,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting something. And I delivered a message to him

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Speaker 3: from his daughter and he said, oh my god. Nobody

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