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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. Jim Hayes with Matt Holliday and Lance Lynn

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Speaker 1: get there. Now, gentlemen, the twenty twenty six Cardinal Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame ballot is out. There are four nominees, four

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Speaker 1: names on the ballot, and it's Albert, it's Yachti, It's

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Speaker 1: Brian Jordan, It's George Hendrick.

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Speaker 2: Jordan and Silent George were great players, but it's not

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Speaker 2: their year. Guys, I don't even know the.

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Speaker 1: Rules of how this works, Like there's committees and a

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Speaker 1: fan vote. I don't think any of that comes into

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Speaker 1: play this year. It's Yati and Albert going into the

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Hall of Fame together, and the other guys are

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Speaker 1: just gonna have to wait to Matt, do I have

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Speaker 1: that wrong?

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Speaker 2: That's how this is going, right.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine it going any other way. Two of

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Speaker 3: the great cardinals of all time. I mean this is

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Speaker 3: going to be probably I would say, the most attended,

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Speaker 3: the biggest hyped. I imagine that the weekend or the

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Speaker 3: whenever this happens, that it'll probably be, you know, the biggest,

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Speaker 3: probably the biggest draw they have all year, I would guess.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's yeah, I mean, it's this is

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Speaker 3: this is exciting obviously, like I said, beloved fan favorites,

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Speaker 3: incredible players, Cardinals. So yeah, I mean, I look, no

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Speaker 3: disrespect to the other two, but uh, these are these

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Speaker 2: Out in front of Bush Stadium.

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Speaker 1: I probably think they will. Lance it's kind of nice

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna go in together again. Whatever the rules are,

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Speaker 1: we don't know, throw them out. It's nice to see

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Speaker 1: those guys do it together. They went out together, go

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Speaker 2: Kind of nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a I don't know

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Speaker 4: the rules either. I don't know how many people are

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Speaker 4: allowed to get in per year, but those who are

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Speaker 4: on the ballot, the rules should be that those two

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Speaker 4: get in automatically. And if you want to have a third,

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Speaker 4: just so it's you know that you can have a vote.

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Speaker 4: I guess you could do it that way this year.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, like Matt just said, it will, it might.

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Speaker 4: It's not a maybe. They will most definitely be the

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Speaker 4: There's there's no doubt about it. That's pretty much the

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Speaker 4: only thing Cardinals fans have to look forward to this

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Speaker 4: year is is the week when they get inducted in

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame and all of the all of

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Speaker 4: the you know, the red coach are they're doing their thing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it'll be it'll be a cool time for

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Speaker 4: Cardinals fans for them, and like Matt said, statues out

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Speaker 4: this for them. I mean, their careers were awesome, and

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Speaker 4: you know, it's amazing that they get to go in

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Speaker 1: And the Cardinals will field the team with some young

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Speaker 1: guys who hope to get there one day, so the excitement.

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Speaker 2: Dream big, right, Matt, Yeah, dream.

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Speaker 5: Big, try it, yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So Matt, you you have a red jacket, what does

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Speaker 2: And the whole Hall of Fame weekend being out of

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Speaker 3: I think, particularly with an organization like the Cardinals, to

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Speaker 3: It's just a really cool fraternity to be part of.

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Speaker 1: And he mentioned Lance Lynn. Let's get this guy in

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Speaker 1: the battle. His numbers as a Saint Louis Cardinal, we're

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Speaker 1: If you look at just the number, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: Series championship, Lance what would that mean to you to

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Speaker 2: But what would that mean to you?

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Speaker 4: No, Like Matt said, the fraternity, I mean the opening

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Speaker 4: So to even have a or even to be kind

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Speaker 2: I think we should make that happen. I think we

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, two more years, tell me

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Speaker 4: Tell them even allowed to be on the ballot, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, But I'll be honest.

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Speaker 1: The guys who made the worlds I am next day,

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Speaker 4: It's well, it's why did these guys YACHTI and al

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Speaker 4: We're not just get put in the day they retired.

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Speaker 2: Three's three years? Yeah, so we got a minute.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my hope is Matt Carpenter and I can

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna start a campaign and Holidays gonna

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Speaker 1: finance it. Okay, he's gonna put some dark money behind it,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna buy get that wb DM on it.

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Speaker 1: Both you guys played with YACHTI and Albert, and since

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Speaker 2: To get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Matt, you're playing with those guys, you talk about, guys

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Speaker 1: who probably will end up with statues, you know, in

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Speaker 2: At some point.

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Speaker 1: What is it about those guys that you think made

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Speaker 3: obviously you have to have the talent. Both were tremendously

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Speaker 3: So it's not it's not easy to say, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: So they did, you know, like I said, special talent,

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Speaker 1: How about you lance to you what stood out about

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Speaker 4: just I feel like they were teasing people to do

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Speaker 1: As you advanced in your cardinal career, lance, was it

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