1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. To the man who took Molly 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Bish Does June mean anything to you? It's been seventeen 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: years since Molly Bish vantished. Her remains were found on 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: a central Massachusetts mountain side. Three years later, the case 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: and leads on it. Initially, Molly's disappearance wasn't thought to 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: be an abduction. There is ranged from Molly running away 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: to being somewhere with their friends. I don't feel like 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: she would run away and she was gone hiding out. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: I didn't have that feeling. There's pieces out there that 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: we just need to fit together that's going to allow 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: us to move forward with the investigation. Does June mean 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: anything to you? Does June twenty seven, two thousand mean 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: anything to you? It does to me. That is the 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: year that we have all been looking for Molly Bush June. 17 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Every time June rolls around, I think about Molly Bush 18 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: and almost every day in between. Why what happened to 19 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful young girl? Molly Bish Joining me right 20 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: right now is a special guest Maggie Bush and her 21 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 22 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Maggie. I can't tell you 23 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: what it means to me to get to speak to 24 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: you again and to meet your beautiful daughter Heather. Just 25 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. It's funny how you never think. 26 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: I would never when I was little, I would never 27 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: have thought, Wow, some the greatest people ever made in 28 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: my life are going to be crime victims. You know, 29 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: I don't think about that when you're planning your future. Well, 30 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: there's some kind of a bond between violent crime victims 31 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: that I can't really explain it. But I'll start Maggie 32 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: with telling you. I don't know if you know how 33 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: many prayers go up every day about you and Molly 34 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: and your family. I'll just start with that and then 35 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: to you. It was molly eighth day at a brand 36 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: new job as a lifeguard. She was just sixteen. It's 37 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: a hot summer day. Do you remember that day, Maggie, Oh, 38 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: how I do um again? We had just gotten out 39 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: of school. I'm a school teacher, and uh, it's cleaned 40 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: your room and I had I actually was special that 41 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: teacher and I had some some U I E. Piece 42 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: some work to complete, and so we were all kind 43 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: of buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had a 44 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: new job, my son had just trained her, and um 45 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: I had taken her to work the day before and 46 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: it was kind of a little unsettling. We had seen 47 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: a car that day parked in the parking lot and 48 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: there was only one white vehicle. And Molly got out 49 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: and she was very excited and said, by Mom, I 50 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: love you, see you later, you know, when just she 51 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: had to get some supplies ready and go down to 52 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: the beach. It was the first week of um swimming 53 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: lessons for the town kids. So we live in a 54 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: very small community, only four thousand folks, one traffic light, 55 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: beautiful town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off 56 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: and I see this vehicle on this man and he 57 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: ends up kind of staring at me, and I get 58 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: kind of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave Molly here. 59 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: What is this guy doing there? So I head to 60 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: the beach and meet her and we sit and it 61 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: is a very lovely little place and it's kind of 62 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: again it's down a main street, but it's also kind 63 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: of isolated and um. We sit. We talked and I 64 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: really we haven't talked a whole lot about danger, but 65 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: we talked about you know, I said, I noticed there's 66 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: more men around maybe, and she did spots just fisherman mom, 67 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: not concerned at all. I talked about how nice the beaches, 68 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: and then I said, I got to get back and 69 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: do my reports. So I go to of the car 70 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: and this individual is still there. I am so kind 71 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: of aw starck, like what is he doing. He's just 72 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's nothing to view, it's woods. 73 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: And I get into my car and I'm looking. I 74 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: had not even taken my purse before, so when I 75 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: go in, I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior to that, 76 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm walking and he stares at me. And I have 77 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: to tell you, it's like a mother bear. You just 78 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: want to protect your child. You just said, what are 79 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: you doing here? Go go to work at ten o'clock 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: in the morning, and and that just got me so unnerved. 81 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: So when I went to the car to get my purse, 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: he pulled out so fast that I didn't even think. 83 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: I just got relieved. It was one of those immediate 84 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: gut feelings. I just was uncomfortable and that white car 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: still to this day we've never found We never found 86 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: the individual who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved 87 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: and um. Anyway, the next day happened. Took Molly to 88 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: work the same talked to her that night about being safe, 89 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: even offered her a little Kubaton stick, which my husband 90 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: had as a probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't 91 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: need it, it's just fisherman. Don't worry. And that next morning, 92 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: after I drove her the work, there wasn't a single 93 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: car in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I 94 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: love you. Our routine kind of farewell, and that was 95 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the last time I ever heard my Molly. And I 96 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: would have never, ever in my wildest dreams or sadness, 97 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: has imagined that three hours later I would get a 98 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: phone call from the Assistant Chief of police that Molly 99 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: had not been at the pond all morning. Her things 100 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: were left on the beach, an open first aid kit, um, 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: the police radio, her shoes, and her backpack all remained 102 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: on the beach, and nobody knew where she was at 103 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: that point. This was an unusual event for us. Molly 104 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: was very conscientious, very kind of nervous. It's a new job. 105 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: They told me she probably went with friends. I didn't. 106 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: It didn't make sense. She left her shoes, she left 107 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: her back back, but she left the job at ten 108 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: o'clock when she just was starting. It just it makes 109 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: sense at all. So I called my daughter, Heather, and 110 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: Heather said she would meet me at the beach, and 111 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I immediately got in my car. I went to the 112 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: beach and I went I'm still in disbelief, and I'm 113 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: calling her and screaming her name on the beach, Molly, Molly, 114 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: and people were coming. There was no Molly, and people 115 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: had said that she hadn't been there. There had been 116 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: the lifeguard all day. And I knew I dropped her off. 117 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I've seen her things. So I was very, very frightened. 118 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: For me, the first gut re action was some thing 119 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: that is really wrong here. I started to go toward 120 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: um the police station. There comes Heather with our new 121 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: granddaughter and we go into the police station and I say, 122 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: something's very wrong. I need this chief, the assistant chief, 123 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: because he called me and my husband and because he 124 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: was a probation in the local area at the local court, 125 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I said, call him. That's how upset I was already 126 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: I knew in my heart that this was not how 127 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: Molly operated. And they told us to go in a 128 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: little room. It was two young officers and they figured 129 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: out that, oh, she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. 130 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: And that's when Heather and I well that that they 131 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: told you to go in the room, and I took 132 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: off looking from all my friends. Okay, then so I 133 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: went from there, and then I went also to look 134 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: for her other friend in the next town that was 135 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: a good friend, and she was accounted for, and then 136 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I got my son returned to we returned to the beach, 137 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: and when we got to the beach, we were aghast. 138 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, people in a small town heard there's Molly 139 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: was not at the beach. It was on the scanners 140 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: and there were people starting to come. And Molly's friend's 141 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: father was ahead of the fire department and nobody I 142 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: think this was the hard partner after nobody knew. Everybody 143 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: felt something, but they didn't know what to do. And 144 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: I really didn't see the pricess I got there. It 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: was the fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly 146 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: drowned swimming, and that was very frightful. They had those 147 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: special dogs to determine if there was a body. I mean, 148 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: it was like you are now really in a surreal, 149 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: unbelievable place that you've never been, and it's heartbreaking because 150 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: you don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where 151 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: she is, and you're just watching this this show progressed 152 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: and it was scary and and sad, and you worry. 153 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: She's thinking, you don't know what Now that you have children, 154 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: I know you can imagine how hard what would your 155 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: child do? And you know each child has their own personality. 156 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Molly was funny and silly, and but she was also 157 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: very shy and if someone would hurt her, but she 158 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: would also trust somebody because she was a good kid 159 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and she had no reason not to. You know, if 160 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: they dressed like a police officer, or they dressed and 161 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: some you know, um authoritative, she would go. And that's 162 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: how I know that we we looked there was no 163 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: nobody had Molly, and we had everybody that she was, 164 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, friends with, accounted for. And that was really 165 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: the beginning of our horrible nightmare. Everyone with me is 166 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: what I consider to be a friend with me is 167 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing 168 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: one warm June morning, two thousand, the search still on 169 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: from Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I 170 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: can't help it. It takes me straight back to when 171 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I 172 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: felt like a wild animal. This is the only way 173 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal 174 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: that couldn't form words. I wanted to break the window 175 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: with my bare hands, and just how I didn't even 176 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: know words to say. And I'm thinking I remember one night, 177 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: right before I was supposed to go on the air, 178 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: my long time makeup artist she's on was with me 179 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: and she got a call. She had her hand in 180 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: my in my hair at the moment and put it 181 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: on speaker and her son was missing, Arlington was missing, 182 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: and everything just went bersark. And I mean, I've covered 183 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: all these cases. I know what to do, I know 184 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: who to call, but when it happens to you, it's 185 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a whole whole another can of worms. And her story 186 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: he was found, thank goodness. And I'm just thinking about 187 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: you at that at that pond and they're looking in 188 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: the water and you see the first aid kid, and 189 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: you see her shoes, and everything's there. Everything's right, everything 190 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: is present. But Molly, when did you find out what 191 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: happened to Molly? Well, you know, this was a whole 192 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: new world for us, Nancy. Nobody knows how to do it. 193 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: And I have to honestly say to any listeners that 194 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: there's no right way or wrongly. We have learned what 195 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: is best practices for law enforcement. Because we live in 196 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: a small town, this happens often in large cities. People 197 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: need a plan. There was no plan that day. That's 198 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: what was most frightening. I don't I think everybody wanted 199 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to help, but nobody knew what to do. And so 200 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: like we had the firemen in there, but they had 201 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: actually uh contaminated this crime scene because nobody really knew 202 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: it was a crime. They had come in with the dogs, 203 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: people were there. I mean, it was just confusing. Um 204 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: By the end of that night, the state police came 205 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: in and they overtook the case. But even in fairness, 206 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: the state police do a lot of work with drugs 207 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: and and they really didn't have a plan at first either. 208 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I think it was just you know, find out we 209 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: found out about molley notion. We didn't believe there's a 210 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: chance and at all that she had just left with friends. 211 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: We didn't think she would not call us. I mean 212 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: when we had to drive home, we were beside ourselves. 213 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: How do you go home if you don't know if 214 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: your child has food, or is safe, or is being 215 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: harmed or held. I mean, I think in all truth, 216 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: that was one of the most horrible, exhausting, frightening days. 217 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: And then what we learned again, police helped us. You know, 218 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: they were trying to do what they could do. And Um, 219 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: to me, I think we did get involved finally. Um, 220 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: we were on America's Most wanted and then the press 221 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: came in. Our police had asked us not to do 222 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: any We did not talk. We are isolated for two weeks. 223 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: All I could imagine this parents begging people to help 224 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: them with their kids, and I didn't understand that. And 225 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: then once I started to open up and speak to 226 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: the press and and to the TV people, we had 227 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: we had to get home. We had to get molley 228 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: story out there, and that that really became our burden. 229 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: We didn't do it. Nobody would really know. I think 230 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: people would just thought, oh, sure, she came home, but 231 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: we did five hundred days, we did one thousand day, 232 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: we did her birthday. We had over three hundred people 233 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: that first year at her birthday. UM we started a foundation. 234 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: We just we didn't know what to do. But even 235 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: in our small town, they had said that people said 236 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: this person could be from in the area. Hill That 237 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: frightened more people, and so I was on the local 238 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: school committee. So we went forward and we said we'd 239 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: like to present um A a safety program. So we 240 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: got very involved with trying to help children. We learned 241 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: right away that they needed a good picture, and they 242 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: needed a book, a safety book, an I D So 243 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: we we created our own that we thought was small 244 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: enough that dad could carry it even and they had 245 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: everything and it's your picture, your fingerprints. We wanted to 246 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: find that child before they were you know, we didn't 247 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: want a DNA kit to find them past. We wanted 248 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: to find them beforehand. So that became our our tool 249 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: to help others. We developed a Molly Bitch Foundation and 250 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: we went all over Massachusetts. We we actually, I believe 251 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: what was far beyond thirty five thousand that we had 252 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: done in our time. But we we are always looking 253 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: for Molly and trying to put on events, and I 254 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: started the first Missing Children's Day in Massachusetts and our 255 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Boston State House, getting the families together, trying to connect 256 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: with one another, because there is, like you said, a 257 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: unique bond, an unusual sadness, fear, you know, the unknown. 258 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: So that became one important day that we would come together. 259 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: But it also gave people. It made the legislators aware 260 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: of our plight, what laws weren't being hold that were 261 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: good or bad, and we could change that. We actually 262 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: helped with Senator Kennedy to bring in the Amber Alert 263 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: here to Massachusetts. We worked in the child safety law 264 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: with many good people that I know, you know, and anyway, 265 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: we got involved with the National Center. They helped work 266 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: on our case, but it took three long years before 267 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: we knew anything, and they were hard and it was 268 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: really tough for our whole family, and families suffer. You know. 269 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: We used to have um fragile Fridays. If we made 270 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: it another week, you know, how are we doing? Checking 271 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: in with each other. It was tough. We didn't have 272 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: small children, my children, my son was just in this 273 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: first year of college, and how there was just had 274 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: our first child. So we were a little older, which 275 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: in some ways is easier but still very difficult, because 276 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: every age has its own difficult except you know, you're 277 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: so right about that, and there are so many phases 278 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: you go through one when you suffer a loss. My 279 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: father passed away about a year and a half ago, 280 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: and I'm still amiss. He and I were, I guess 281 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: soul mates were just I mean, I love my mother. 282 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked to her more, 283 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: I guess, and I did my dad. But he and 284 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: I were just two piece in a pod, and you 285 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: go through It hurts me too much to remember what 286 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: I went through when Keith was murdered. But the thing 287 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: that that that phases you go through when you lose somebody. 288 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: But I guess I don't know what I'll have to 289 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: ask you because I knew almost immediately who murdered Keith 290 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: and what had happened to him. But it was two 291 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: thousand and three, almost to the days ju nine, two 292 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: thousand and three before you knew what had happened to Molly. 293 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: Do you remember that day? Well? You know it is, Oh, 294 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: I can tell you, it's awful. My we actually we 295 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: had did the missing Children's Day May at the end 296 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: of May, and we had come home and John had 297 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: gotten a call, my husband, and he said, we have 298 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: to get home. And usually I'm saying thank you to 299 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: all the people. We have two bust loads of people 300 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: that we take with us to Boston, and so I'm 301 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: very grateful. We put flowers we could forget me not 302 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: to you don't go out there. We do a big, 303 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: beautiful program. So we are coming home with all this 304 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: stuff and John is saying, get home, We're going, We're going, 305 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: and he was pushing me. I was getting a little agitated. Well, 306 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: what happened is one of the news reporters came to 307 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: our house and they had the pictures because somebody did 308 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: not believe. While how it went is there was a 309 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: hunter that had spotted something that he wasn't familiar with, 310 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: but he mentioned it to this um person who used 311 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: to be a police officer, and so they went and 312 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: they were kind of on their own doing this. And 313 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: then I guess this this police officer didn't believe that 314 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: the um you know, he's afraid the police would take 315 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: credit for his fine, I guess, and so he wanted 316 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: some of them take pictures and he called them the press, 317 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: and the press did it and so guess what they do. 318 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: They show it to us before the police even called 319 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: us and told us anything. So I'm in my driveway 320 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: and you know how in the press car like the vans, 321 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: they have all the TVs. There's Molly's. Yeah, this is 322 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: how Molly's. I've seen her bathing suit in the russ 323 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: in the leaves, the old leaves. And John didn't remember, 324 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, my husband, he you know, it's so funny. 325 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I she went out with her to buy this special 326 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: bab in suit because they didn't have the colored ones. 327 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: The recreational person was going to order them. So I 328 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one, 329 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: but it was a special one, and I knew right 330 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: then and there my knees almost crumbled, and I ran 331 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: up the stairs and to our home. And I mean 332 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: there was three days that I could say. And when 333 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: you were talking earlier, you do it's like a primal cry. 334 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: It's it's from the depths of your soul. I knew, 335 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't want it, you know, you want to 336 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: find Molly. But it wasn't the way we had hoped, 337 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, And my I mean I cried and it just, um, 338 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: that was one of the worst I have to say days, 339 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: and I hollowed and I every piece of me was spent, 340 00:21:53,760 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: and that it was a special swimsuit that in a 341 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: moment you saw, you knew what it was. Um. You 342 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: know What's what's interesting, Maggie, is I remember that the 343 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: morning that Keith left, he had been visiting our home. 344 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: My family, Me and my mom and dad were home. 345 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: My sister was already off in grad school at Wharton, 346 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: my brother was moved out and working. This is the 347 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: three of us, and he had visited for the weekend. 348 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: And he left that morning to go back to Athens 349 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: where he lived and worked. And I just, I guess 350 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I just suppressed this or blocked it. But it's only 351 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: been in the last few years that I remembered that. 352 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: At the murder trial, I testified, and I remember coming 353 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: down the witness stand. It was a really tall one, 354 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: and where you go up and there's a landing, then 355 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: you turn left toward the witness standing up some more steps, 356 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: and I remember coming down those steps and I walked 357 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: past the district attorney's table and I looked down and 358 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: I saw a denim shirt covered in blood, and I 359 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: immediately knew that that was Keith's shirt that he had 360 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: been wearing that day. And Maggie it this has only 361 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: come back to me. I mean it's been years later 362 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: and it came back with such clarity. But I remember 363 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: just stopping and looking at that shirt. I knew exactly 364 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: what it was. What was it that you knew beyond 365 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit. No, I really, I 366 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: don't know to analyze it. I think it's just that 367 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: I was the mother. I picked it out. It was 368 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: the color, and they think there was a little bit 369 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: she was going to the training for the um lifeguards 370 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: and she needed a certain kind of you know, a 371 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: tank suit type, so I knew that material and it 372 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: was blue, but it had some you know, it had 373 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: to be a little bit cool, so it had some 374 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: mixed colorings in the middle of different things. And I've 375 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: seen it. I knew, I just knew. And you know, again, 376 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: they had to send the police in, they had to 377 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: send the search party, and they had and I mean 378 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: that began a really another whole experience because the first 379 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: day they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah, 380 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: it was a shin bone, but it could possibly be 381 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had 382 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: ribbed bones, and then by the third day they had 383 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: her skull. I mean what mother sees. You know, we 384 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but 385 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: we only had plenty four bones that were found. But 386 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get a dental records, 387 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, so that they had to certainly make sure 388 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: it was Molly, and I think that was the only 389 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: way we were able to They were able to say 390 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: the police. But I knew, you know, and it was 391 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: just confirmed the moment you saw the swimsuit, you knew 392 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: the moment everything happened, you knew it was bad. M 393 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: Heather bish is Molly's sister. Heather, What do you recall 394 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: of this time? Well, I think, you know, again, it 395 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: was still that it couldn't be possible that Molly was 396 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: abducted at you know, I thought that in the beginning 397 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: that it had to be a mistake, and you know, 398 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: sort of the same thing that this company, right, there's 399 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: there's got to be an explanation for this. And then 400 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: as the moments and time kept passing and Molly didn't 401 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: pop out in it anywhere. You That's when we realized 402 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: her her peril. She was, she was in a great 403 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: deal of carol. So you know, we became increasingly anxious. 404 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: I think when even when we found a dating suit 405 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: for me, you know, I think it just kind of 406 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: just hold on to hope, like I don't know, maybe 407 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: maybe he stripped her and through the bathing suit in 408 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: the woods or or something. We just want, I want 409 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: to believe something as terrible as as her loss isn't 410 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: isn't going to be what what the final end of 411 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: the story is. And for me, I can remember the 412 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: day that the state police actually came up to the 413 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: house on June nine, when when they did find LESCo. 414 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: Because people were coming over to my mom's house every 415 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: day and I had been living in in Western mass 416 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: at the time and driving out every morning with my 417 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: three year old, and it was about a forty five 418 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: minute drive, and for a three year old to have 419 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: to go potty all the time, that's like two potty stuff. 420 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Never never an easy, easy trip. But we were doing 421 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: that daily to to um ensure that we were we 422 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: were all together. And I remember we had just gotten 423 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: there on June ninth, and there are people in the 424 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: driveway and my mama was talking and UM. In the distance, 425 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: I could see the distric attorney and the head of 426 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: our investigation, UM walking up the driveway and they were 427 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: wearing suits, and it was, you know, the beginning of June. 428 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: And I was thinking, Jane's it's a real, really a 429 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: hot day to be wearing a full suit like that. 430 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: And then I I just I just knew. I thought, 431 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: I just knew, like this is that, this is this 432 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: is the final they're gonna tell us. Now, you know, 433 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: it's interesting every that you're saying. And I hate to 434 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so many 435 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: chords in me. It's you know, you know. And And 436 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: because I recall that day I come out of a 437 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: statistics exam, I was still in college and was walking 438 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: to my job. I worked all the way at the 439 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: other end of Mercer University camp empus in the library, 440 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: in the back of the library, processing books, and I 441 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: stopped midway. Of course, it's just before cell phones to 442 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: use the phone, the pay phone in the student union 443 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: to call the library and say my test went over 444 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. I'm almost there. Just hold on like 445 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: there was some emergency processing books. Okay, so anyway, and 446 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: when I did, they had librarian Miriam said, you need 447 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: to call Keith's sister right now. I knew right then 448 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: that he was dead. I need just like you, just 449 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: when you saw those guys in the suits, you knew 450 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: and I'm just really, I just I just really wanted 451 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: to run away, to be honest with you, I didn't 452 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: even want to hear what they were going to going 453 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: to say. I just thought if I could run, I 454 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: would be able to outrun the truth or the reality 455 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: or you know. It just felt like every thing's going 456 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: to change now, our whole life, everything bad, Heather that 457 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: you your mind tries to get around it or or 458 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: or bend with it, because I remember I would wake 459 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: up in the mornings and I would think that Keith 460 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: was still alive and this had been some elaborate roofs 461 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: and I would dream. I would dream and this is 462 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly what this means, because I 463 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: never saw a shrink about it. Probably should. I would 464 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: dream that Keith wanted to get out of the engagement, 465 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: and so he had faked the whole thing, because you know, 466 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: this close to us getting married. He had decided that 467 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: in my dream, and I'd wake up and I go, oh, 468 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: thank god, he's alive, and this just you know, and 469 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: then I'd wait, wait a minute. I would have I 470 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: would have dreams that Molly was still alive, but she 471 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: would be you know, she would have gone off with 472 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: her friends to Florida, or she went on you know, 473 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: she went on a trip and she was just back 474 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: and she was going to see her old boyfriend. And 475 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: I would be I remember in the dreams, feeling like, no, 476 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: you can't go on. I've definitely want to be with 477 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: you and hang out with you. And generally that's not 478 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: how twenty year olds feel about their teenage sistors. So 479 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I've always sort of thought about those dreams later now 480 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: in life and thought, jeus, you know, maybe Molly was 481 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: trying to tell me in some capacity that she was okay, 482 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, and it was just me feeling this desperate feeling. 483 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish. 484 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Does June two thousand mean anything to you? I remember 485 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: it as a warm summer day. We left home, we 486 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: picked up the police radio, and then we arrived at 487 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: the pond. The sand truck was there. We watched, mesmerized 488 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: like little children as the sand fell gently to the ground. 489 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: Molly and Mom for the last time. Molly said goodbye, 490 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: I love you, and man off. It was her eighth 491 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: day on her new job as a lifeguard. That was 492 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: the last time I saw or heard for my Molly. 493 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: I have held those words wrapped around my heart to 494 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces. It's 495 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: been seventeen years since Molly Bish vanished. Her remains were 496 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: found on a central Massachusetts mountain side three years later. 497 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. We're constantly 498 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: getting tips and leads on it. We're moving forward and 499 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: going through the beginning to now. We started talking to 500 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: some of the original investigators just bring them in as 501 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: a group, and we also have a disc attorney assigned 502 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: to the case. So they came in and we just 503 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: started going over there observations that notes their feelings, you know, 504 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: things like that Maggie Bish could never imagine a moment 505 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: that she'd never see her daughter Molly ever again. Molly 506 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: could be very shy and she could be very silly. 507 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone. 508 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: She was silly, like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We 509 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, so 510 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to 511 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: have known her as an adult. I trained Molly to 512 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: get her confidence up, to learn how to do the 513 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: radio checks, get the first daid out, clean the beach, 514 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: checked the water, look for snakes. The Bishops moved to 515 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: central Massachusetts to escape the noise and dangers they had 516 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: experienced in Detroit. We thought it would be a safe 517 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: place to raise our kids. I stayed home with my kids, 518 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: so Molly went to kindergarten. We made a lot of 519 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: sacrifices so I could be home with them, and now 520 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful that I did, because I had more 521 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: time with my mom. Initially, least disappearance wasn't thought to 522 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: be an abduction. Theories ranged from Molly running away to 523 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: being somewhere with their friends. None fit the circumstances that 524 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: were evident that day at Commons Pond. My mom called 525 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: and said, Molly's not at the pond, and I said, 526 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: what are you talking about that? You know they must 527 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: be wrong. Well, it was more surreal I was. I 528 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: didn't believe it. These people tried to do what they could, 529 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: but there was not a plan. The police didn't really 530 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: know what to do. The fire department came in thinking, well, 531 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: she must have drowned. They really didn't consider Molly's behaviors. 532 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: People were trying to do something, but it was confusion. 533 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: Going home the night that Molly disappeared, and that was 534 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: probably one of the hardest nights of my life. I 535 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: remember just continuing to go outside and think, maybe he'll 536 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: drop her off, whoever took her or whatever is happening, 537 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he'll leave her in my front yard. The Bish 538 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: family had no guidance on what to do or how 539 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: to cope with the stress of Molly's disappearance. I don't 540 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: feel she would run away and she was gone hiding out. 541 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: I didn't have that feeling. I think everybody wanted to 542 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: blame theirselfs. We're like numb. We really were not sure 543 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: what to do. My sense of trust has been rocked 544 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: since my sister disappeared. The Bishes set out not only 545 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: to find the killer, but to help others with missing children. 546 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: We couldn't give up on Mow. We had to find 547 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: Moll and so we had to do everything and anything 548 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: that we could do to find her, and we start 549 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: a foundation in her name, and we started a safety 550 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: program in our town. Never be alone. Always have a buddy, 551 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, um, tell your family, Tell someone where you 552 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: are at all times so that they know where you are. 553 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: The third one, If it feels funny, it is funny. 554 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: Trust those instincts. Molly's legacy lives on to support and 555 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: protect children. Who murdered her remains a mystery. There have 556 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: been persons of interest over the years. The day before 557 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: Molly went missing, Maggie cross Paths was a mysterious man 558 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: a white car. To this day, he's never been identified. 559 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: We pull up to the beach and there's a car 560 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: parked and I got this horrible feeling in my gut. 561 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: I just like stared at him. I don't know what 562 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: to do, I have nothing. I just gave him that 563 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: like a mother there, I want you to go away, 564 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: go to work. What are you doing here? And so 565 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: he gave me the stare right back, which made me 566 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: feel like he's bold, and I felt very uncomfortable. But 567 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: I was not going to leave Molly. So what I did. 568 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm right almost by the car now, so I just 569 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: pretend I'm getting my purse. I wasn't going to leave, 570 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: but then he backs up. In addition to this composite 571 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: sketch of the man in the white car, other persons 572 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: of interest have been reported in case. It's been worked 573 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: for seventeen years, and I think technology is really gonna 574 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: help us out moving forward. There's somebody out there that 575 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: knows something, and uh, that's my hope that they'll come 576 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: forward at some point. If you remember something or might 577 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: have seen or overheard something, please call the Massachusetts State 578 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Police today, even if something seemed insignificant, maybe they saw 579 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: something or they heard something. There's pieces out there that 580 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: we just need to fit together that's going to allow 581 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: us to move forward with the investigation. I'm trying to 582 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: imagine your your v you know, you pull up and 583 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: you at a distance see all these guys in suits 584 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: and your driveway, and I'm trying to imagine what Maggie, 585 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: what that What that was? When press A van pulls 586 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: up and they run up? What what did they have 587 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well, you know what, 588 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: I guess this, Like I said, this person didn't believe it, 589 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: so they had six TVs going on. There were six 590 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: TVs in that van, and there was every vantage point 591 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: that they could take the picture. And I mean it 592 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: truly was a small piece of bathing suit that was 593 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: peaky gown from underneath twigs and old leaves, and it 594 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: was just taking in different views. And I mean it 595 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: didn't take me the second to gather that information to 596 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: men of seconds. Tonight, I ran up the stairs because 597 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: I knew. I closed my door in my room and 598 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: I began to howl. I was on my knees and 599 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, John was down there talking and I just 600 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: like for this the I mean, because again we adjusted 601 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: missing Children's Day for the folks in Massachusetts. It was 602 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful day of great We were coming home feeling 603 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: at least we're doing something positive, and you know, we 604 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: always will miss Molly, that's what. But to see this 605 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: was it was too close to knowing that this was 606 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: not good. Again, wanted. We are now hearing rumblings that 607 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: d n A, d ox aibony clay acid tests are 608 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: storrying little seeds of hope, But what do you know 609 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: about a potential DNA test? You want to talk? Yeah? Sure, 610 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: I um, I have been sort of headlining the investigative 611 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: efforts with for my family. But about a year ago 612 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: they took and every so often they'll take pieces of 613 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: evidence and and submit them for DNA testing and they'll 614 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: try to compare it when they have a few years ago, 615 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: they had a really I don't quote unquote good person 616 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: of interest UM down in Florida and they you know, 617 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: had taken some DNA from there and submitted it and 618 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: then nothing was sort of a hit. UM So as 619 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: so I guess our hope sort of lies in the 620 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: science and technology that you know, sort of helping investigators 621 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: solve these older cases. And UM. So last year they 622 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: took twenty four pieces of evidence UM to retest and 623 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: so they don't exactly tell us what what they took 624 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: or where it came from, but we know it was 625 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: twenty four pieces of sense UM and they resubmitted them 626 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: for further testing. You know, as they, like I said, 627 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: that the technology increases in the touch DNA becomes available, UM, 628 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for particularly these older cases, 629 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: because they've they've been able to um you know, solve 630 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: cases based on this DNA. I mean even right now 631 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: we have a case in Central mass It's it's not 632 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: an older case, but they've been using DNA to sort 633 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: of point the direction they The seeds of hope are 634 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: that DNA samples have been taken and they're being re 635 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: examined with new techniques that were not possible at that time. 636 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean that is a huge, big deal because I 637 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: at all trying rape cases, murder cases, you name it. 638 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: With no d NA, you know what I'd have. I'd 639 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: have blood, blood sample and I guess say, well, the 640 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: says spect is a positive and the perpetrator was a positive. 641 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: That was it? Or maybe a hair and I could 642 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: say the rapist or the killer is a Caucasian male 643 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: with ex hair. I mean, that was it. There was 644 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: no nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a 645 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: major development that they are doing this. I want to 646 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: ask you about this UM deep ground sonar test that's 647 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,959 Speaker 1: being done. What do we know about that? Yeah, so 648 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: we you know, over the years, we've you know, because 649 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: law enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work 650 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: on their own and and and you know, they don't 651 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: necessarily report to victim families. That can become very frustrating 652 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: for victim families. UM and because we you know, I 653 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: felt very strongly that we wanted this to be solid. 654 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: We wanted our community to feel safe. We wanted our 655 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: friends kids to feel safe. You know, we've we've all 656 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: grown up here where you know, and some capacities, family 657 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: to each other. What do you think they hope to 658 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: find heather with a ground penetrating radar and it's on 659 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: a private property in an undisclosed location in Worcester County? 660 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: What what could that mean? What was that where the 661 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: swimsuit was found, Maggie in Worcester County. No, No, it 662 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: was where we received a So so just trying to 663 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: put the back story here. We um some friends in 664 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: the area, uh person who has a PhD in criminology, 665 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: and I sort of formed this sort of investigative team. 666 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: It kind of came off to our fundraisers and things 667 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: like that. We developed this little team. This little team 668 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: developed these UM campaigns. So one year we did UM billboards, 669 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: another year we did ads. Each time we do one, 670 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: we do a tip campaign, and so we had a 671 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: just one Piece campaign because the Set Police has always 672 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: said we're one piece away from solving this crime. During 673 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: our just one Piece campaign, we received a number of 674 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: tips on a particular person who say that this particular 675 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: campground in Worcester County. UM. This next year we had 676 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: another campaign. We called it just one Car because we 677 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: were trying to identify this light car. Was it tied 678 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: to this person that the location is question? So let 679 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: me understand the location is the campground where a potential 680 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: suspect stayed. Okay, got it? And what do you think, Maggie, 681 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: they are looking for with the deep ground search when 682 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,919 Speaker 1: I understand that it has the potential to be able 683 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: to recognize metal or rock or anything, and especially if 684 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: there was something of some sighs, you know, bearing a 685 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: car is quite you know, how deep could they go? 686 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: So this radar has a way to analyze how that 687 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: the depths and how significant that um, you know, if 688 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: it's metal or something that you know, I guess that's 689 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: what they do. They do some kind of a computation 690 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: and it determines. So from what we understand, there were 691 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: three places that they felt some interest. Now you know, 692 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: again they have to hand that information over to the 693 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: state police, and the state police have to you know, 694 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: decide if it's worth digging or going into. Now again, 695 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: it could be it's like this whole story again. You 696 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: always get hopeful, but you have to kind of protect 697 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: yourself from disappointment. You've got to you know, you don't 698 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: really you want it, but you're scared. The emotional battle 699 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: within is unbelievable because you've been doing this long now 700 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,479 Speaker 1: that you want it, but we don't get to choose 701 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: any of it, you know. So now it's true, Maggie, 702 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: that other girls similar in age to Molly also were kidnapped. Yes, 703 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: we have a girl that was ten years old, a 704 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: little bit younger, um in Sturbridge, which is a twenty 705 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: minute uh a distance from our home, and she was 706 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There had been some 707 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: cases or maybe even a little older that we're in 708 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New York border, and 709 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: there was a gentleman that they thought was a serial 710 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: killer up there that might have that involved. I mean, 711 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's so sad. I mean, you hear these 712 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: horrible cases, but you don't understand them, and certainly I 713 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: wasn't one that you know, really understood any of this. 714 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, now, I know all these families who have 715 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: struggled and who keep struggling, you know, so ying their 716 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: loved ones on how they deal with it, and it 717 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: is very very hard. So you know, again, there possibly 718 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: could be serial killer out there, and that's what worried 719 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: us because this to me, honestly, Nancy, how does a 720 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: normal person do something this horrific? And that is so 721 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: it's like when you throw the rock into the river 722 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: and the ripples. It has caused so much pain to 723 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: Molly's friends, our family out into the community. The fear 724 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: that he's somewhere, you know, and that's always scared, really 725 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 1: captivating me about this one guy. And he is simply 726 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: been investigated. He has not been indicted, he has not 727 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: been charged. I'm talking about Rodney Stranger. Rodney's stranger have 728 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: been living in Southbridge at the time Molly goes missing. 729 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: He relocated abruptly to Summerfield, Florida, a few months after 730 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: Molly was kidnapped from her life guard position. Now what 731 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: really uh interests me about him not not just that 732 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: he relocated, but a woman that had known him, sister 733 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: Bodney Bonnie Kieran, told police about a phone call from 734 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: her sister, who was then murdered, where the sister suggested 735 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: that this guy may have been involved in murders in Massachusetts. Now, 736 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: this is based on something I read in the Wooster 737 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: Telegram and Gazette. He alluded to bish Molly Bush and 738 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: another girl, Holly Perinan, who disappeared in nine that from Sturbridge, 739 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: which was directly adjacent to south Bridge. What do you 740 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 1: know about that? Call? I know you know a lot 741 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: more than I do. Maggie. You want to go ahead, Howdy, 742 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: go ahead? And well, you know that we actually have 743 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,720 Speaker 1: about seven people with the same same kind of circumstantial 744 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 1: evidence surrounding them. Rodney Stanger was just brought forward in 745 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: the media. So that's that's the greatest struggle for us, 746 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: because we know, we know about Rodney, but the public 747 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: only knows about I mean, you know, the public going 748 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: knows about Rodney, but we know about the six other guys. 749 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: It's just like Rodney Stanger that are out there. And 750 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: that's why we put together this movie about Molly most recently, 751 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: and it was basically two slutify the events of due 752 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: that we knew what and what our new movie Mom 753 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: that we just did missing Molly and how can I 754 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 1: see that? Um, we we've been sharing it on social media. 755 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: It's up on my YouTube page, hold on Missing Molly 756 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: movie and I can find it on YouTube to talk 757 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: about a three minute movie. And we we had complated. 758 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to go ahead, go ahead, but I just 759 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: wanted to say that it was an opportunity that we 760 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: could share again. Young people are so conscious of social media, 761 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: but we could share it even by Facebook. Somebody knows something. Okay, 762 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even know about it. This is 763 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: something new to me came out. Would you would you 764 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: mind if I would you mind if I put this 765 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: on our website? And and I'm going to direct to 766 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: everybody too, because is something new for me to learn through. Um, 767 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: hold on, I lost my track? Okay, so missing Molly 768 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: and and you're gonna give me the info and I'll 769 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: put it on crime online dot com. And and again 770 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: this is this is a case where I mean, what 771 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: what the you know? We had this bad thing happened 772 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: and it was horrible and it would change has changed 773 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: our lives completely. But every single day, every day, almost 774 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: somebody comes forward and does something amazing or helpful or 775 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,760 Speaker 1: gives us something. And you know this, this Peter Massey 776 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: who came up with his ground penetrating radar to look 777 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: at the campground a couple of weeks ago. That was 778 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 1: something that we organized. On the side. I organized as 779 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: a person that's a criminologist that I know who was 780 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, worked with him. And you know, it was 781 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: a long shot halfway down to the basketball court, sort 782 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: of throwing the ball at the basket. But this person 783 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: was was generous enough to come up here and donate 784 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: his time, his skill, his knowledge to help us, you know. 785 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: And again maybe it was a long shot, but I 786 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: mean long supper really all we have left at this point. 787 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: And so again the movie. A friend of IRUs, Kathy 788 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: Kern from Channel five News, and I were talking one day. 789 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I really think I should make 790 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,879 Speaker 1: a movie about Molly and solidify what happened so people 791 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: aren't confused because often people will say, well, they got 792 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: that guy in Florida, he must have done it, or 793 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: oh I heard about that guy in Western Mountain. You're 794 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: absolutely and no one follows up the story. And so 795 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that they imprinted it somewhere 796 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: that here are the facts. Well you know what I'm 797 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: about to do. I'm about to log on and find 798 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: Missing Molly's movie that you orchestrated and another thing. Everybody, 799 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: please write this number down eight seven seven two nine 800 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: eight five toll free eight seven seven to nine eight 801 00:50:51,600 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 1: five one five five. One day this case will be solved. 802 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: Molly Bish Still on our minds, still in our hearts, 803 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: Maggie Heather, Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you. I 804 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough. And you will always be one 805 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: of my most special people in the world and I 806 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,479 Speaker 1: appreciate it so much. And and you're helping so many 807 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: people and you're still continuing. And from my Molly, we 808 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: thank you with all our Nancy Grace crib Story signing off, 809 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,