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Speaker 2: Combine getting underway. We'll talk about that. In fact, let

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Speaker 2: me start there with the combine. You got players who

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Speaker 2: are going to be arriving today or yesterday. Coaches and

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Speaker 2: GMS are still talking. The media gets an opportunity. This

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Speaker 2: is this is sort of the woodstock of you know,

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Speaker 2: off season where you get local reporters. Everybody gets a chance,

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Speaker 2: and it's just you know, a massive media there to

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Speaker 2: be able to ask coaches in GMS questions and then

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Speaker 2: of course the players are going to be there at

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Speaker 2: the combine. And you know, when you look at college football,

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Speaker 2: it's amazing. I looked at Mel Kuiper's latest mock draft,

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Speaker 2: and you go, man, Ohio State had more talent than

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Speaker 2: anybody else in the country, at least according to Mel's draft.

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Speaker 2: So he's got Caleb Downs, a safety going number two

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Speaker 2: to the Jets. I think he's got five Ohio State

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Speaker 2: players who could go in the top fifteen. Carnell Tait

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Speaker 2: is a wide receiver, he could be going. Sonny Styles

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Speaker 2: a linebacker, he could be going. They got an offensive

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Speaker 2: lineman who could be going first round. And what did

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Speaker 2: Ohio State have to show for this. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: the schools that are most represented at Combine Texas A

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Speaker 2: and m thirteen players, Alabama twelve, Ohio State eleven, LSU eleven,

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Speaker 2: Georgia ten, Oklahoma ten, Miami ten, Clemson nine, Indiana nine.

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Speaker 2: And that's the unique part of this is you can

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Speaker 2: have individual talent, but a team will carry you through

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. And you saw that with the Indiana Hoosiers

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Speaker 2: winning the national title. Because blue chip depth at premium

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Speaker 2: positions great, A few programs can match the ceiling. But

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Speaker 2: Ohio State didn't win the Big Ten, got man handled

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Speaker 2: by Miami in the player else. But they're still sending

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Speaker 2: eleven players to the Combine, and you're probably going to

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Speaker 2: have five of those players drafted in the first round. Seeton.

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Speaker 2: Let's pull question for the first hour of the program.

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Speaker 3: We got some options here for you. I think maybe

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Speaker 3: we start with the combine though, and talk about is

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Speaker 3: arm length the new hand size? Is arm length the

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Speaker 3: new hand size?

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Speaker 2: I was hoping to get five minutes into today's show.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. Four minutes and twenty two seconds

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Speaker 2: into the show and we've brought up arm length. You know,

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Speaker 2: I love hand size. You know, I do.

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Speaker 3: I think this is actually a movement by the small

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Speaker 3: hands community to take the focus off of them.

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Speaker 2: Marvin, do you.

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Speaker 3: Care to comment?

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Speaker 4: How would you guys even figure that?

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Speaker 3: I think the small hands lobbyists are working. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's actually more about arm length than it is hand size,

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Speaker 3: just saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it we don't make a big deal

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Speaker 2: about hand size for wide receivers. It's easy to throw

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Speaker 2: a football. It's hard to catch a football or easier

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Speaker 2: to throw a football. But you know, the patron saint

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Speaker 2: of small hands, Kenny Pickett. We got to get an

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Speaker 2: autograph jersey of Kenny Pickett. Yeah, and you know you're

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Speaker 2: in good hands with Kenny Pickett. How did they How

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Speaker 2: did Allstate not do something with Kenny Pickett like little

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Speaker 2: good hands?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Todd, I don't think we make a big deal

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Speaker 5: about the size of the hands of receivers because that's

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Speaker 5: sticky stuff that got in the gloves works in all sizes.

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Speaker 2: Fair.

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Speaker 4: Are you worried about the size of your head?

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Speaker 2: All right? That's fair? Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Dan, we've been tracking this year at the Dan Patrick

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Speaker 6: Show and peak hand size of development and talk was

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty two around Kenny Pickett out of Pittsburgh. Last year,

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Speaker 6: the spike was Will Campbell, the former LSU offensive lineman.

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Speaker 6: I think he was taken fourth overall, but at the

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Speaker 6: combine his arms measured sit down, if you're ready to

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Speaker 6: hear this thirty two and five eighth inches.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It was shocking and it became one of the bigger

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So my arms are longer than his.

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Speaker 3: Not wingspan each arm? Yes, straight up. You know how

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Speaker 3: long your arms are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep that in your head at all times.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, you've been measured for a shirt, a dress shirt,

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Speaker 2: or you know, a sport code.

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Speaker 3: I have it' Well I don't know that I have

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Speaker 3: here since my brother's wedding.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well shirt length, Yeah, yeah, I've been measured for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing the longest arms.

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Speaker 6: We are doing that tomorrow. We're doing arm length on

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Speaker 6: the show. But Will Campbell was a big topic last year.

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Speaker 6: I could find you a dozen articles talked about his

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Speaker 6: arm length and whether it's a negative going into the league.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, please, please, somebody have shorter arms than me.

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 4: I don't ask for much in this life.

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Speaker 2: Now, all of a sudden, I'm looking around here. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, well, you could have long arms and small hands.

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Speaker 4: Marvin, Oh great, thanks, I'm still mad at Kenny Picky.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, what a great day that was. Yeah, top

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Speaker 3: three greatest days of my life.

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Speaker 2: I know you got married, you had your kid, and

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Speaker 2: you found out your hands are bigger than Marvin's.

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Speaker 3: Essentially that I don't have the smallest hands here.

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Speaker 2: It is awesome. And the fact that nobody knew what

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Speaker 2: the results were. We all got our hands measured by Ray,

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Speaker 2: one of the back room guys, and kept it secret.

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Speaker 2: So as we're unveiling this and the smallest hands and

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Speaker 3: To go, it's obviously me. I know that I have

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Speaker 3: tiny hands.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware. And then all of a sudden, Marvin as

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Speaker 2: the smallest hands. Yes, Mark, I knew it was.

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Speaker 4: Bad when we measured the hands back with Ray or

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Speaker 4: Ray just kind of looked at.

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Speaker 8: Me, Oh, not as big as I thought.

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Speaker 2: So arm length is going to be a big deal

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Speaker 2: and we'll be all over that, you know, once the

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Speaker 2: results come rolling in here. I'm still I'm focusing on

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Speaker 2: hand size here, of course. Yeah, I know, Paulie said,

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Speaker 2: you're you know, you got to get up, you know,

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Speaker 2: caught up with uh, you're in the dark ages here.

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Speaker 2: I still care about the hand size. And there here's

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Speaker 2: another thing. Why don't we measure fingers not your hand size?

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Speaker 2: Because if I'm a quarterback, I got to put my

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Speaker 3: What do you have against palms? What do you have

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Speaker 3: against palms?

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Speaker 2: Hey? When I was in Panama. When I was in Panama,

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Speaker 2: I Palm Sunday, went and got my you know, I

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Speaker 2: went to Salo and I got my ashes down there

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Speaker 2: in Palo Yeah. I walked into a church there got

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Speaker 2: the ashes. They do that on Sundays or Wednesday there.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a Wednesday Wednesday for the ashes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but maybe Palm Sundays involved in that, right, it's in

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Speaker 4: Up the week before Easter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a bad reference there, but I did

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Speaker 2: get the ashes.

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Speaker 3: Unless your time traveled, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, Palm Sunday is going to be a big day.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to pan them off with pumps?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, only I was just down there then PanAm

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Speaker 2: and I go all right, So we walked in, walked

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Speaker 2: then went to dinner.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Paul, back to arm length. Ground zero for arm

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Speaker 6: length this year at the combine is Miami defensive end

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Speaker 6: Ruben Bain. He's six two two seventy seven and they're

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Speaker 6: still gonna We don't have official arm length on him

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Speaker 6: yet or hand size, but he's a big topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did he talk about this, Marvin? Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: None of the teams seemed to be took a sign

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Speaker 7: with it. As long as talking walk to walk, play

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Speaker 7: with technique, nobody really asks me about it, So I

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Speaker 7: really don't give the kind of time of day for it.

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Speaker 7: That's this all stuff I feel like you said on

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Speaker 7: social media. But none of the teams have a sad

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Speaker 7: so I'm not so decided.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he doesn't have long arms? Is that what

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Speaker 2: he's saying? This is this is already a concern.

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Speaker 3: Some scouts are.

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Speaker 6: Saying they might be under thirty three inches and that

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Speaker 6: is a red flag for a defensive end who you

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Speaker 6: need to get people off you.

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Speaker 2: But I'd rather have my offensive Lineman have long arms, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He sounded very defensive in that.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh he is. He's defensive, but he was.

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Speaker 3: Good enough to play well for Miami for yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well they got to talk about something here, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the arm length, that's a big deal, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 4: But maybe you can sneak holding with shorter arm length.

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Speaker 4: It's tougher to.

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Speaker 5: See the holding if you've got these big long arms

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Speaker 4: It's very easy to see if you're holding somebody.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Ton, welcome, Uh Seaton, what's pull

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Speaker 2: question for the first hour?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to have two up there. Now, what

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Speaker 3: are you most looking forward to from this year's NFL combine?

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Speaker 3: Hand size or arm length? And we're also putting up there?

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Speaker 3: Do you know the length of your arms?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys have any idea?

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Speaker 6: Paul, my dress shirt is thirty two and a half

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Speaker 6: inches the armlength.

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Speaker 2: Your arms are as long as the Patriots off inch

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those are the shirts I bought. When I purchased

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Speaker 6: shirts thirty two and a half inches. I like to

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Speaker 6: pop my cuffs.

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Speaker 3: Yes see, I don't know what this says about me,

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Speaker 3: but my shirt size has always come with an SM

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Speaker 3: or an L. I've never seen numbers attached to it.

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Speaker 2: You've never gone to a tailor.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I did. When my brother got married, I did well.

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Speaker 3: I guess when I got married, I did too. But

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Speaker 3: I don't remember any of that. Uh No, I haven't,

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Speaker 3: not in eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Years or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's been a long time. There's no judging here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's usually L or EXL, I am I in these

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Speaker 3: days it's a It's one of those letter combinations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 6: When you buy a dress shirt, you do neck and

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Speaker 6: then arm length, so it would be like seventeen inches

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Speaker 6: thirty two thirty three. Yeah, thirty two thirty three is short,

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Speaker 6: thirty four to thirty five is medium, thirty six thirty

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Speaker 6: seven is long with shirt length.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Back to you. Yeah, all right, Marvin, do you know

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Speaker 3: your arm length?

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Speaker 4: L XL.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the same boat as see Fritzy, same with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I go to the end of the alphabet and

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Speaker 5: see how many x'es are involved, and let's uh.

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Speaker 4: Don't have numbers on that. I know. My nex size unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: has grown.

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Speaker 5: I used to have like a sixteen and three quarter

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Speaker 6: Yes, Pauline, we have a light plan of topics, but

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Speaker 2: And then it kind of morphed into the worst sounds

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Speaker 4: How do you talk sports at three hours every day?

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Speaker 4: That's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 4: Rockets? Move on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Todd, did you ever correspond with those two girls

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Speaker 2: They don't know. The younger one. They both looked young.

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Speaker 4: That she liked that. I'm just joking and she walked

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Speaker 4: To move on to somebody else.

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Speaker 5: Trying out my dad material, oh my god, uncomfortably laughing

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Speaker 4: Four two reds, So what ho did you talk about

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Speaker 2: Pistons beat the thunder okay see, without five of its

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Speaker 2: He got hurt. Spurs beat the Raptors San Antonio, first

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Speaker 2: I think if you got twenty six thousand points, you're in.

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Speaker 6: Less exciting game of a surefire Hall of Famer or

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Speaker 2: Joe Johnson didn't go into the Hall of Fame in

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Speaker 3: He would be don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: Mark the one in Springfield? Yeah, for sure?

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: Do you know who's been in the Hall of Fame recently?

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Speaker 4: Michael Cooper, but.

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Speaker 3: He played for the Lakers, he won championships.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you. So, I mean that's Draymond Green.

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Speaker 3: Ringo, it is Michael Cooper, that's new. Yes, Joe Johnson.

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Speaker 6: Quickly, he went to six straight All Star Games, seven total.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice number.

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Speaker 6: But again, his game, like when they showed the highlight

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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna go, oh my god, ooh, it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: mid range jumper, mid range jumper, mid range jumper, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The Basketball Hall of Fame. Sorry to go from a

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Speaker 8: little tangent. Iconic players, iconic teams. That's what it is.

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Speaker 8: If you are a part of the eighty three six ers,

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Speaker 8: if you're Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones, you're in. If

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Speaker 8: you're Casey Jones, Sam Jones, Tommy Hinsen on the sixty Celtics,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. Yeah, same, I mean I now,

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Speaker 6: He went to three straight All Star Games in Toronto

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Speaker 6: And he did it all without shooting threespace.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that's mid range jumper.

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Speaker 3: Is he SGA before SGA Marvin Sga?

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Speaker 4: Light without the athleticism, no offense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Why do we think there is such a generosity a

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know where I stand with this. Christian Lightner

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Speaker 2: in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Can we check and

446
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Speaker 2: see if that's true. Digger Phelps, Notre Dame still alive,

447
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Speaker 2: not the Basketball Hall of Fame.

448
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Speaker 3: Wow? Checking, there's mixed reports here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: As far as the Basketball Hall of Fame, Sonny Vacaro

451
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Speaker 8: and La and later, those are your two guys that

452
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Speaker 8: you need to get in.

453
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Speaker 2: But I would want Digger Phelps in. And you know

454
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Speaker 2: what's going to hurt him is he actually sent me

455
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Speaker 2: a recruiting letter when I was in high school. And

456
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Speaker 2: they'll go, how much did he know about basketball? Yes,

457
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Speaker 2: that's a meeting. Yes, But a couple of weeks later

458
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Speaker 2: they then told me that they were not recruiting me,

459
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Speaker 2: so he knew talent. I didn't show that. I didn't

460
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Speaker 2: show my friends my teammates the second letter I got.

461
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Speaker 2: I just showed them the first letter. Hey, we're interested

462
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Speaker 2: an alumni. Are alumnus in the area is recommending you.

463
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Speaker 2: I don't think Digger Phelps is in the Basketball Hall

464
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Speaker 2: of Fame. Yes to everything I'm looking at suggests he

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Speaker 2: is not.

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Speaker 5: He was honored by Notre Dame in their Ring of

467
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Speaker 5: Honor or whatever, but nothing suggests that year in the

468
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Speaker 5: Basketball of Fame at all.

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Speaker 2: Why is it so tough for college guys to get

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Speaker 2: into the Basketball Hall of Fame? Yeah, Marvin, is it

471
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Speaker 2: the combo Grant Hill's in?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because Grant Hill had a really good start to

473
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Speaker 8: his NBA career as well as a great year, great career, Duke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I think it was the lack of success that

476
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Speaker 8: Latner had in the NBA that hurts him. If he

477
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Speaker 8: had gotten hurt in year three in the NBA, he

478
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Speaker 8: would have been in the Hall of Fame fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that Rolph Sampson effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he played like thirteen years in the NBA,

481
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Speaker 2: but not at I know, but that's what I'm saying.

482
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Speaker 2: Played in the NBA for thirteen years.

483
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Speaker 4: But not everyone that plays in the NBA for thirteen

484
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Speaker 4: years goes to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Ralph Samson's in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: Correct, But like I said before, it was because of

487
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Speaker 8: the injuries. If he had played fifteen years of just

488
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Speaker 8: average level basketball, I don't think he'd be in.

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Yeah, Paul, here's another name that I

490
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Speaker 6: think has bothered you in the past.

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Speaker 3: No offense.

492
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Speaker 6: Ben Wallace, former defensive player for the Pistons. He was

493
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Speaker 6: the DePoy four times. Yeah, yeah, that award got him

494
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Speaker 6: in because his stats are.

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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert is going to be a Hall of Famer,

496
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Speaker 2: h he is? That is wow?

497
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Speaker 3: So interesting?

498
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Speaker 2: But Ben did win an NBA championship, right he did? Okay,

499
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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert is going to be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: He is probably.

501
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Speaker 6: He has three All Star appearances, but he's got four

502
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Speaker 6: Defensive Player of the Year awards, just like Ben Wallace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I hate doing this because we do

504
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Speaker 2: this when are like Ben Wallace. To me, is not

505
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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. He's not very very, very limited offensively. Defensively, yes,

506
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Speaker 2: weak side help. He was wonderful. Just if they don't

507
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Speaker 2: win a championship, is he in the Hall of Fame?

508
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. But that's what you know. Okay,

509
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: you're part of this group and ensemble. Okay, Well Latner

510
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Speaker 2: was part of an ensemble at Duke if you want

511
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Speaker 2: to look at it that way.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, Yeah, going back to Ben Wallace, this might

513
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Speaker 8: be the Eli Manning effect who the Pistons beat. They

514
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Speaker 8: beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in the NBA finals,

515
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Speaker 8: So I think that helped him get into the Hall

516
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Speaker 8: of Fame as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Cooper won titles. I mean he's in because

518
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Speaker 2: it's an ensemble, yes.

519
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Speaker 8: Mar Yeah, he was on all five Showtime Lakers teams. Yes, yeah, yeah,

520
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 8: a lot of those guys.

521
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Speaker 4: Somewhere on three, somewhere on two. He was on all five.

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Speaker 2: If Draymond Green plays for the Hawks, he's not in

523
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. He's part of the ensemble with

524
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Speaker 2: Golden State. He's going to be a Hall of Famer.

525
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Speaker 2: He has.

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Speaker 6: Paul here's another guy that I don't think anyone questioned

527
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Speaker 6: when he was up for the Hall of Fame managing

528
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Speaker 6: Noble of the Spurs. He started three hundred and fifty

529
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Speaker 6: games out of eleven hundred. He was not even a

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Speaker 6: starter for most of his career. Two time All Star

531
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Speaker 6: and nope. But what he did in the playoffs, yeah,

532
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Speaker 6: no problem.

533
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Speaker 2: Putting on an international player yeah as well, Yes, Todd.

534
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Speaker 4: Not exactly a consolation prize.

535
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Speaker 5: But Digger Phelps Ryder Athletics Hall of Fame, playing a

536
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Speaker 5: couple of years at Ryder, not exactly getting it.

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Speaker 4: To the Spring fer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first ballot.

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Speaker 3: So here's a Hall of Fame brust ballot Ryder College

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Speaker 3: Reserve hoops.

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Speaker 4: They are three seasons at Rider, then became a graduate assistant.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Digger's not in the Hall of Fame. He's

543
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Speaker 2: tough standards. There, tough standards. I'd like to be on

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Speaker 2: the board. There be on the committee Ryder University, No

545
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Speaker 2: basketball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Pride of Lawrenceville. If I'm not mistaken, isn't that Rider?

547
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: The Rider Bronx.

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Speaker 5: By the way, are curious b o n Yes, not

550
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Speaker 5: Broncos the Rider Broronx.

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Speaker 3: Shout out in New Jersey.

552
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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes gave a shout out the gold medal winning

553
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Speaker 2: star and they played last night the Devils, and here's

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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes. Hughes, I'm so.

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Speaker 10: Proud and I'm so happy that the men's and women's

556
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Speaker 10: USA hockey teams brought gold medals back to the United

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Speaker 10: States of America.

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Speaker 4: You guys are making me emotional. But I'm so.

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Speaker 10: Proud to represent the New Jersey Devils organization and I'm

560
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Speaker 10: so so proud to represent the great state in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So proud.

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Speaker 3: Oh, come on, now, that's a guy who gets it

563
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Every state, not every state, is the great state New.

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Speaker 3: Jersey is one of them.

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Speaker 2: Really, Hell yeah, they are? They all great.

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Speaker 4: He's so emotional. Jack yures that he can't see straight.

568
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Speaker 4: If you're there.

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Speaker 5: Used to be an old skip from Joe Piscoposion life

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Speaker 5: used to go, id from Jersey, you're from Jersey?

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Speaker 4: What state? What exit? That's what he would That's how

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Speaker 4: he would do a little stick. I don't think every

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Speaker 4: state is great.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying Jersey is not great.

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Speaker 4: I'm said, I would make.

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Speaker 5: An analogous to someone that would say, like if they

577
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Speaker 5: were talking about the boroughs of New York from the

578
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Speaker 5: great Borough of Staten Island.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's going to say that.

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Speaker 2: My wife would.

581
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Speaker 4: That's because she grew up there.

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Speaker 2: Rich Eisenwood grew up there. Yeah, soon to.

583
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Speaker 3: Be Rock and Roll Hall of Famers. Wu Tang clan

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Speaker 3: would certainly appreciate Staten Island.

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Speaker 2: YEA, is New York a great state?

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Speaker 4: I would say, so.

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Speaker 5: They have their problems like any other's day a rat population.

588
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Speaker 2: But is every state a great? Great stated?

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Speaker 4: I don't think it is.

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Speaker 2: Those that live there. They might say that, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: seat it's from Jersey. I wouldn't say New Jersey was

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Speaker 2: a great state. Well you we're having a good day.

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00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: Why are you picking fights?

594
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Jack makes it's pork roller, Taylor Ham,

596
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Speaker 3: that's really what.

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00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: I haven't been told to stay in my lane, and

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Speaker 2: you know we're an hour and a half into the show.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like I could tell you to stay

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Speaker 3: in your lane. In terms of New Jersey, I've lived

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Speaker 3: in Jersey, and then that would actually lead to us

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Speaker 3: some type of what's exit joke from? Which exit from?

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Speaker 2: Todd? Yeah, I lived in Jersey, so I can I

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Speaker 2: can speak on behalf.

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Speaker 3: I never understood though, though, like oh which exit thing?

606
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Speaker 3: As if every state doesn't have exits off of their highways.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand that.

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00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: Well maybe people from New Jersey. They always bring up

609
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Speaker 2: the exit where they're from. Then they're saying, oh, where

610
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: are you from? Oh blah blah blah, oh that's exit ninety.

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Speaker 3: I've never thought, I never I don't know that I've

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Speaker 3: ever done that.

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Speaker 2: I've never given the exit of where I live. But

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Speaker 2: I've never heard any any other state residence where they go, oh, yeah,

615
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Speaker 2: you know i'm exit. You know I'm off the five,

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Speaker 2: and then you take the you know exit nine.

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Speaker 3: See I don't I don't hear. I've lived in New

618
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Speaker 3: Jersey a long time and no one ever said, like,

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Speaker 3: where are you from, like sarahl Oh exit eighteen off

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Speaker 3: the turnpike. I don't know that. People from out of

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Speaker 3: state always do the what's exit which exit joke?

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Speaker 6: Yes, we are we gonna rank states? Will we go

623
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Speaker 6: forward in rank states? Like what state is the one seed?

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Speaker 3: What state is?

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Speaker 2: Let Todd? Let Todd. He's the one that came in

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Speaker 2: this morning and said, you know, when you heard Jack Hughes,

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Speaker 2: he goes, is it really, you know, a great state.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say this, Jack Hughes wasn't desperate for cheers

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Speaker 5: or applause. He got the gold medal winning goal. He

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Speaker 5: didn't need to say, you know, like a community say

631
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Speaker 5: how are we doing Pittsburgh just to get some cheap applause.

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Speaker 5: We know he did a great thing and they were

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Speaker 5: gonna cheer for him. He didn't need to add and

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Speaker 5: represent the great state of New Jersey. Of course they're

635
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Speaker 5: gonna cheer for that, but it seemed like an unnecessarily

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Speaker 5: desperate move to get the crowd extra yesd Marvin, do.

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Speaker 8: You judge the state off of the people that it's produced.

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Speaker 8: If that's the case in jersey's up there. Look at

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Speaker 8: all the rest stops.

640
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: And who names their rest stops geniuses, people who get it.

641
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: Bon Jovi has a restaurant.

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Speaker 3: That's my rest up. I live off the bon Jovi

643
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Speaker 3: What action seat.

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Speaker 5: But we also say, like to compare New York and

645
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Speaker 5: New Jersey, like I grew up in New York, I

646
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 5: live in New York, people just say Jersey and they

647
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: dropped the news.

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Speaker 4: So maybe there's something not so new about it. Why

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Speaker 4: do we just call it Jersey.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people kind of flippantly refer to New

651
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Speaker 5: Jersey as Jersey, which to me means maybe it's not

652
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Speaker 5: a great state.

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00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: Well it's not called great Jersey. Yeah, every state has

654
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: those recent regionalisms, though, Like if you talk to Ross Tucker,

655
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Speaker 3: be like, where are you from? Hershey, Pa, he always says, pa, uh,

656
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Speaker 3: I don't know that, Paul. You've never described yourself as

657
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Speaker 3: being from Illinois. You're a Chicago guy. Nobody's from Chicago.

658
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Speaker 3: They're Chicago guys. I'm a Chicago guy. Oh that means

659
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Speaker 3: you're from Chicago. But nobody just says where are you

660
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: from Chicago. Yeah, but I'm from Cincinnati. I don't say Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: That's because nobody wants to admit they're from Take that.

662
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Speaker 8: Wow, Ohio not a great state. What's the Chili oh match.

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 2: How about we take a break here back after this

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Speaker 2: from the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Seaton taking a shot. My hometown is Cincinnati, and he's

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Speaker 2: hearing it, don't don't drive through Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hearing from a lot of ohioan's telling me,

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Speaker 3: Oh really, if you don't like it so much, don't

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Speaker 3: drive through here on your road trips anymore than yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take that, Yeah, take that Seaton. Matt Miller ESPN

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Speaker 2: Draft Analyst and you can see him on NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: daily weekdays at three on ESPN two, ESPN APP and

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Speaker 2: Disney Plus. Matt, Good to have you with us. Hand

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Speaker 2: size seems like it was so three years ago. Now

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Speaker 2: it's arm length. When did this happen? Why did this happen?

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Speaker 11: Well, it happened because this is the one quarterback draft,

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Speaker 11: so we don't have the quarterbacks to obsess over. But

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you this, if Ty Simpson from Alabama comes

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Speaker 11: in at six' one with a nine inch, hand.

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Speaker 3: We're probably gonna be talking about it.

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Speaker 11: Again but because we know That Fernando mendoza six foot,

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Speaker 11: four two hundred twenty five, pounds we don't have to

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Speaker 11: have the panic this year about hand size because he's we,

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Speaker 11: know we know he's big enough in terms of THE nfl.

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Speaker 11: Standard what we do gets obsessed about is Does Ruben

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Speaker 11: bain have thirty two inch arms or? Not forget what

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Speaker 11: he did in the college football, playoffs forget that he

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Speaker 11: was the most dominant defensive player in college football for

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Speaker 11: most of last. Year we got to worry about that

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Speaker 11: quarter of an inch and how much of a difference

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Speaker 11: it actually. Makes and is that time of Year Like i've,

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Speaker 11: been this is my fifteenth, COMBINE i still don't know

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Speaker 11: that arm length matters unless you have context to that

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Speaker 11: that shows you on tape that a player's short arms

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Speaker 11: or small hands are an. Issue but it is one

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Speaker 11: of those things that we get pretty bored in Late

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Speaker 11: february and it needs something to talk.

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Speaker 2: About, okay if you were going to have long. Arms

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Speaker 2: do you want it for your tackle or your edge?

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Speaker 2: Rusher both in a perfect? World?

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Speaker 11: Right AND i will say, this If Will campbell hadn't

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Speaker 11: struggled in The Super bowl with short arms with sub standard,

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Speaker 11: ARMLENGTH i also don't know that we'd be talking about

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Speaker 11: it as much as we. Are but in a perfect,

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Speaker 11: world you want long arms because that allows me to

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Speaker 11: get to you. Faster you can make up for that

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Speaker 11: by having faster, hands a faster. Punch you can make

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Speaker 11: up for it by having better, power which Ruben bain.

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Speaker 11: DOES i was talking to someone at dinner last. Night

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Speaker 11: Ruben bain is like a, boxer so he might have short,

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Speaker 11: arms but once he gets inside your arm, length he

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Speaker 11: has so much power in his, hands in his, arms

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Speaker 11: in his hips that he's going to just roll over

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Speaker 11: you like a dump truck once he gets. There so,

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Speaker 11: yes there are times where you would prefer an edgdresher

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Speaker 11: to have longer. ARMS i would rather an edgdresser have

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Speaker 11: power instead of lying on arm. LENGTH i think at

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Speaker 11: a perfect, world do you want your tackles offensive tackles

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Speaker 11: to have that reach because it does allow them to

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Speaker 11: be late at, times which is exactly what we saw

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Speaker 11: in the Super bowl Where Will campbell was late and

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Speaker 11: didn't have the link to make up for.

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Speaker 2: It, yeah but, ALSO i don't know how you injured

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Speaker 2: he was with his knee in fairness to, him AND

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Speaker 2: i mean he got exposed in the. Playoffs it wasn't

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Speaker 2: just the Super, bowl but he's going against guys who

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Speaker 2: will expose. YOU i, Mean Will anderson is a great edge.

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Speaker 2: Rusher BUT i don't do The patriots have a problem

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Speaker 2: at left.

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Speaker 11: Tackle, NO i don't think. SO i think everything's. Fixable

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Speaker 11: and that's, like that's the key to remember with these.

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Speaker 11: Guys we're going to pick apart their measurements this week

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Speaker 11: and their traits this. Week but the idea is that

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Speaker 11: these are not finished. Products that you're not.

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Speaker 3: Coming into THE.

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Speaker 11: Nfl we, Say, okay this is as good as you,

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Speaker 11: are you should never get. Better Will campbell can JUST

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Speaker 11: i think there's some footwork stuff they could be cleaned

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Speaker 11: up in terms of his, posture and THEN i think

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Speaker 11: there's some timing things that could be cleaned. Up and

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Speaker 11: to your, Point, dan which is a great one that

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Speaker 11: got lost in the, playoffs he was playing hurt throughout

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Speaker 11: the later part of the, Season so that's going to

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Speaker 11: also allow him you would think better timing as he

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Speaker 11: goes to cut off those edge. Rushers but Also Will

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Speaker 11: anderson's going to beat. You i'm sure you've heard this

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Speaker 11: saying they get paid To it doesn't Mean Will campbell's

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Speaker 11: bad just Because Will anderson's a little bit. Better Will

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Speaker 11: anderson's one of the best pass rushers in, football and

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Speaker 11: The Seattle seahawks had one of the best schemes in.

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Speaker 3: Football SO i don't think The patriots have a.

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Speaker 11: PROBLEM i think they have a player who remember one year,

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Speaker 11: Ago Will campbell had just played a, season and then

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Speaker 11: he's In draft pre combined, Training then you're In Pro day,

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Speaker 11: training then you're in rookie mini, camp then you're in training,

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Speaker 11: camp then you're.

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Speaker 3: Playing a seventeen game.

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Speaker 11: Season this dude hasn't had a break in a year

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Speaker 11: and a, half and SO i think it's also a

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Speaker 11: matter of give him an offseason to get, healthy to

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Speaker 11: get right to work with his offensive line. Coach most

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Speaker 11: of these guys have a private offensive line coach still

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Speaker 11: go work, with AND i bet we see an improved

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Speaker 11: player next.

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Speaker 2: Year the best player in the, draft regardless of Position.

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Speaker 3: Jeremi loves running Back Notre.

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Speaker 11: DAME i don't think it's particularly, close and you, KNOW

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Speaker 11: i don't think it's close to what he did the

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Speaker 11: last years At Notre dame was. PHENOMENAL i, mean he

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Speaker 11: has The Notre dame record for most touchdown runs over ninety.

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Speaker 11: Yards he had a ninety eight yard touchdon round Against

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Speaker 11: indiana a year. Ago he had a ninety four yard

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Speaker 11: touchdown run this. Year and he's two hundred and fourteen.

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Speaker 11: Pounds but let's be catching, Him, No.

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Speaker 2: Matt If i'm going to compare him To Saquon barkley

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Speaker 2: coming out Of Penn, state he'd be.

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Speaker 11: Close they would Be they would be ONE a ONE

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Speaker 11: vi as. PROSPECTS i THINK i think he's right there

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Speaker 11: With Jean robinson At saquon as the best running back

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Speaker 11: prospects of the last ten. Years dang better Than jens

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Speaker 11: because he catches the ball better to Watch Amgas. Arkansas

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Speaker 11: he catches two touchdown passes like one is a legitimate.

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Speaker 11: Route these are not swing. Passes he's he's flexing out

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Speaker 11: and running round outs and catching touchdown. Passes so this

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Speaker 11: is is just so easy to see exactly how he'll

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Speaker 11: fit into AN nfl.

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Speaker 2: Offense we're talking To Matt MILLER ESPN nfl draft, analyst

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Speaker 2: who should Take Jeremiah.

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Speaker 11: LOVE i, MEAN i think the conversation starts with The

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Speaker 11: cardinals at. THREE i, mean obviously The raider should Take

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Speaker 11: fernandamin doesA he's a, winner he's, poised he's. Accurate he's

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Speaker 11: everything you want in a quarterback, prospect outside of maybe

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Speaker 11: some better. MOBILITY i think The, jets with the trade this,

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Speaker 11: morning Trading Jeremia, johnson they're going to Go Edg dresher at.

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Speaker 11: Two so the conversation For love probably starts at. Three

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Speaker 11: that's where The cardinals. Are The titans are at. Four

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Speaker 11: they just added AN Edg dresher And Jermain, johnson which

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Speaker 11: was one of their biggest. Needs The giants at five

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Speaker 11: probably not because we Love Cam. Scattabo but then YOU

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Speaker 11: i think the floor Is Kansas city at, Nine so

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Speaker 11: to three to nine is probably where he's. At and

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Speaker 11: being here for two days, NOW i can tell you

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Speaker 11: one THING i hear from everyone else in THE nfl

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Speaker 11: is please do not Let Jeremiah love fall To Kansas.

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Speaker 3: City don't let that.

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Speaker 11: Happen do not Give Patrick Mahomes Jeremiah, love which in,

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Speaker 11: fairness we heard the same thing About Xavier worthy and

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Speaker 11: really hasn't made that much of a. Difference SO i

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Speaker 11: Think Kansas city has bigger issues than just you, know

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Speaker 11: Giving Patrick mahomes a generational running back.

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Speaker 2: Talent, YEAH i Had love second on My heisman. BALLAD

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Speaker 2: i thought that he was he was a difference. Maker

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Speaker 2: of all the players THAT i, saw he was the

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Speaker 2: one that you you had to account for every single,

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Speaker 2: game every single play that he was in. There it

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Speaker 2: was and to have that where he can take it ninety,

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Speaker 2: yards there aren't many players who can do, that and

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Speaker 2: that's WHY i, mean he's a top ten. Pick but

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Speaker 2: when as soon as you brought up where you think

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Speaker 2: he's going to, GO i immediately went he'll fall To Kansas

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Speaker 2: city at.

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Speaker 11: Nine you, Know but can they draft a running back

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Speaker 11: when they have no pass? Rush their best corner is

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Speaker 11: one year or left on us. Contract he could be.

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Speaker 11: Traded the right tackles, Terrible their tight ends about to. Return,

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Speaker 11: okay but let me throw receiver may be, Suspended, like

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Speaker 11: can you take a running?

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Speaker 2: Back But matt they're over under his ten and a. Half,

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Speaker 2: yeah how do you explain The chiefs are at ten

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Speaker 2: and a. Half according to Draftking.

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Speaker 11: Patrick mahomes so, simple it's it's it's that they have

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Speaker 11: homes and that will win you a lot of. Ballgames

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Speaker 11: that doesn't matter start week. One is he going to

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Speaker 11: be there week? One draftings might know more than we

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Speaker 11: do about his. Rehab they've got people In texas right

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Speaker 11: now watching them work.

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Speaker 4: Out.

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Speaker 3: PROBABLY i Think mahomes covers up a.

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Speaker 11: LOT i fear The chiefs are getting to that point

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Speaker 11: where they, say we Have, mahomes we can almost throw

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Speaker 11: anything out there and win and be. Successful and you

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Speaker 11: also Have Andy, reid who's one of the GREATEST nfl

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Speaker 11: coaches of all, time but is a roster that needs

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Speaker 11: a lot of, work and they only have six draft,

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Speaker 11: picks and they're eleven million dollars over the cap right,

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Speaker 11: now which they. Can the CAP's kind of, fake you

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Speaker 11: can make that. Up but that's a roster that has

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Speaker 11: a lot more holes then people, realize Because andy And.

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Speaker 3: Patt have covered a lot.

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Speaker 2: Up i'm a Big Malik willis fan AND i have

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Speaker 2: been AND i could See, Minnesota, Arizona miami going. Up

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Speaker 2: we'll give you three, years one hundred million Dollars i'm

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Speaker 2: curious how you Viewed Malik willis when he first came. Out,

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Speaker 2: YEAH i liked.

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Speaker 11: Him here's my number two quarterback that, year and it

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Speaker 11: was tight between he And Kenny. Pickett SO i, mean

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Speaker 11: we're not really talking about the nineteen eighty THREE nfl

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Speaker 11: draft in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of talent that.

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Speaker 3: Year BUT i liked.

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Speaker 11: HIM i thought he was just really inexperienced playing At.

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Speaker 11: Liberty he hadn't gone against a lot of elite. Talent

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Speaker 11: and WHAT i felt was he needed to play either

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Speaker 11: go out and play with a team that was going

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Speaker 11: to develop him and give him a long, leash or

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Speaker 11: he needed to go somewhere where he could sit behind

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Speaker 11: and established veteran and. Learn it was weird is he

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Speaker 11: really never got either of. Those he never got the

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Speaker 11: long leash In. Tennessee and then you go To Green

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Speaker 11: bay And Jordan love is an established, starter but Not

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Speaker 11: this Isn't Matthew stafford that you're learning.

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Speaker 3: Behind this isn't some of that's been in the league

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Speaker 3: first fifteen. Years but he's played so well in. Spots

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Speaker 3: i'm a fan of his as.

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00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 11: WELL i think when you have a quarterback that has

881
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 11: been thrown into situations and. SUCCEEDED i think a quarterback

882
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 11: that's battled adversity and not given, up that has really

883
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 11: doubled down and made himself into a better. Player those

884
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 11: are the things THAT i would be encouraged by AND

885
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 11: i could take by connecting the. DOTS a lot of

886
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 11: people think killing up In miami as long as they

887
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 11: can figure that out cap wise With tua moving on

888
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 11: doing a different Drect but when you have a head

889
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 11: coach and a general manager coming from one place to,

890
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 11: another it does make sense that they. Would you remember

891
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 11: the movie Movie.

892
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: Any gain Of.

893
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 11: Sunday it's like when Al pacino goes to the expansion

894
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 11: team and he Takes Willy beaming with.

895
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: Him it almost feels like that's what the packers are.

896
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 11: About you, know the guys are going To miami and they're,

897
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 11: like and we're Taking Malik willis with us as.

898
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: WELL i always hear From michigan fans When i'm critical

899
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: OF jj. McCarthy i just didn't see it when he

900
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: was in college because the Way jim, coaches you, know

901
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: it's you got to be able to run the ball

902
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: and play. Defense AND i don't think they relied ON. Jj,

903
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: now he did have a couple of games where they

904
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: did rely on. Him BUT i know he's been banged,

905
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: up maybe thrown in too, Soon BUT i, mean what's missing?

906
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: Here what AM i missing WITH jj.

907
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 11: McCarthy i THINK i missed it, too BECAUSE i liked

908
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 11: him coming out AND i had the same. Concerns you,

909
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 11: KNOW i went to The michigan prote and talked to

910
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 11: the coaches about, like why why did you hide your

911
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 11: quarterback at?

912
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: Times and their answer, was, well we. Didn't we didn't

913
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: hide our. Quarterback we just didn't have to use.

914
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 4: Him you.

915
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 11: Know our run game was so, good our offensive line

916
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 11: was so. Good why throw the ball if running's? Working

917
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 11: that was really their. Answer and it's, like, okay, well

918
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 11: maybe there's some truth in. That and it seems like

919
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 11: THE nfl agreed because he was a high first round.

920
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 11: Pick BUT i think right now he looks to me

921
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 11: like a player where the game is just way too

922
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 11: fast for.

923
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: Him and it's like With Malik, willis how do you fix?

924
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 11: That you either go play a hell of a lot

925
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 11: of football and you're giving a long leash to make,

926
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 11: mistakes or you sit and learn behind someone that knows

927
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 11: what they're. Doing AND i think that's why we Saw

928
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 11: minnesota try to bring In daniel or Keep Daniel, jones you,

929
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 11: know after they traded for. HIM i think it's why

930
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 11: we'll See minnesota go after A Geno smith or A

931
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 11: Kirk cousins in this, offseason just so that maybe they're

932
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 11: not giving up on, McCarthy but they're, Saying, okay why

933
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 11: don't you sit and watch somebody that knows what they're

934
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 11: doing and to be able to do that while not,

935
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 11: injured because you, know When Sam donald was, there McCarthy was,

936
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 11: hurt so he's not in the building taking Those sam

937
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 11: reps that he would if he was the number two.

938
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 11: Quarterback he's still twenty two years old and there's still

939
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 11: a ton of time left FOR jj.

940
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: McCarthy i think.

941
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 11: Now it's kind of that moment of are you willing

942
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 11: to admit that it's not working and do the work

943
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 11: where guys like you, know we Have Baker, Mayfield Sam,

944
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 11: darnold so many examples of quarterbacks that had this same

945
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 11: moment and bounce. BACK i think we're close to having

946
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 11: that conversation with.

947
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: McCarthy Fernando mendoza first quarterback taken give me the next three.

948
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 11: Quarterbacks Ty simpson will be the second, one and after

949
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 11: that it is a. Mess AND i think this week

950
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 11: will actually. Matter and NORMALLY i think we come into

951
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 11: the combine and we kind of know the quarterback Or

952
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 11: mendoza will go. First Ty simpson probably goes back into round.

953
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 11: One THEN i think it could Be Drew aller From Penn,

954
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 11: state who's A traits first quarterback that was injured this

955
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 11: past year In. October didn't really get a chance to

956
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 11: have that resume year that we would have liked to

957
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 11: have seen from. Him Carson, beck on the other, hand

958
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 11: comes into the year off THAT ucl injury and played

959
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 11: really well down the stretch From, miami even if there

960
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 11: were times they hit him a little, bit but he

961
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 11: played well for. Them and then you Have Garrett, nessmeyer

962
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 11: whose dad is an offensive coordinator In Orleans. Saints he

963
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 11: had kind of an up and down two years as

964
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 11: a starter AT, lsu but he has the football, iq the,

965
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 11: accuracy he kind of has a little bit of a gunslinger.

966
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 11: Mentality it's one one of those guys is, next AND

967
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 11: i think those would be the next, three and it

968
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 11: will probably come down to what teams are looking. For you,

969
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 11: know if you're THE La, rams maybe you go After

970
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 11: Drew aller Because stafford's getting close to retirement.

971
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: Age you've proven that you.

972
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 11: Want a quarterback that can make all the, throws that

973
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 11: can push the ball down the.

974
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: Field that's not Really.

975
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 11: Nusmeyer so it's you kind of start to eliminate who

976
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 11: the guy could be based on.

977
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: Traits that, way.

978
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: IF i Put mendoza in the draft a couple of years,

979
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: ago the quarterback heavy, draft where does he go in

980
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: your opinion in.

981
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 11: Twenty four with Like caleb And jayden and those, GUYS

982
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 11: i think he goes. Fourth Caleb williams IS i will

983
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 11: maintain the best quarterback Prospect i've seen is he And

984
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 11: Joe burrow are up there as the two best in

985
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 11: the last ten. YEARS i do Think Jade daniels coming

986
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 11: off that year AT, lsu still goes. Second drake may

987
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 11: still goes, third just on who he, is the, person

988
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 11: the physical, traits the upside as such a young At

989
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 11: mendoza is, fourth AND i bet you right now The

990
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 11: falcons would rather have For Nanda mendoza The Michael. PENNINGS

991
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 11: i don't think that's even a, conversation Right they Would

992
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 11: they would be very happy With.

993
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: Mendoza right, now if You're, houston do you EXTEND. Cj? Stroud, NOW.

994
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 11: I, would just BECAUSE i think the number is only

995
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 11: going to go. Up but it has to be a

996
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 11: common sense. Extension it should not be one of these

997
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 11: it's your turn as a free. Agent let's reset the

998
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 11: market with, you because we've seen so much of that

999
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 11: and it hasn't worked. Out you, know these teams that extended,

1000
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 11: early really outside Of Kansas, city the early extensions where

1001
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 11: contracts were bloated and ballooned didn't work. Out so many

1002
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 11: of those guys ended up being. Cut SO i think

1003
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 11: you do it early if it can make sense. FINANCIALLY

1004
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 11: i don't think you GIVE. Cj stroud fifty million dollars a,

1005
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 11: year sixty million dollars a, year some of the numbers

1006
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 11: that quarterbacks are expected to make in this next. Cycle

1007
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 11: BUT i do THINK i THINK cj struggles have been

1008
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 11: a little bit overstated because you, know he's a third year.

1009
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 11: Quarterback we expect these guys to make. JUMPS i would

1010
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 11: look At houston's offensive line and say that offensive line

1011
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 11: just completely got reworked last, year and they wiped the

1012
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 11: sleek clean and started.

1013
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: OVER i still Think cjstrack would be a really good

1014
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: quarterback in this.

1015
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: League thank, You. Matt we'll be checking in with. You appreciate, You,

1016
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 2: Dan Thanks Matt. Miller