1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I guess some folks 2 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: might think that, given my profession as a medical legal 3 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: death investigator, that I have a morbid fascination with death. 4 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I certainly have a fascination with 5 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: a science, something I have always had an attraction to, 6 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: And I mean that in a puir of sense. Our graveyards. 7 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: There's something about the way the dead or remembered stone 8 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: monuments that are created that are left behind by those 9 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: that once walked among us, and they're to different degrees, 10 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: aren't they. You can actually learn a lot about maybe 11 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: a family history based upon how much money was spent 12 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: in memorializing family members. But Stone says something. It has 13 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: a permanence to it. You know, if you think about 14 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: a wooden cross and it just doesn't hold up like Stone. 15 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk about a tune that was created 16 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: in haste for a young woman who lost her life 17 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: in a most horrible way. Today we're going to have 18 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: a discussion about the kidnapping, murder and concrete encasement of 19 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: the remains of Esma Relda Gonzalez. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 20 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: and this is Body Bags Dave mac I want to 21 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: ask you something. I'm from New Orleans. We're famous for 22 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: our graveyards down home. People take tours, you sure. Many 23 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of our listeners have been to New Orleans, and I've 24 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: spent time just walking through the grace because it's amazing. 25 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: It's like walking through a huge kind of museum, if 26 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: you will, an outdoor museum that never seems to diminish. 27 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Everywhere you turn. There's beauty to it. But in case today, 28 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: there's not much beauty involved in this. As a matter 29 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: of fact, it may be one of the more horrible 30 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: things we've covered it in some time. 31 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: When I think about forensics, Joe and I think about it. 32 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: Oftentimes when we cover stories and the crime, you cover 33 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: a lot of background. When we get into the forensic, 34 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: the body bags part, it oftentimes would not make sense 35 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: if you didn't have more of the story, like knowing 36 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: what the significance is of a person being placed inside 37 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: a cement tomb. That boggles my mind when it comes 38 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: to the death of Esmurel de Gonzalez. There are so 39 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: many aspects of this particular story, and if any of 40 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: you have followed it, if you didn't follow each step 41 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: along the way, you missed a major thing. Starting right 42 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: off the bat, A beautiful twenty four year old Instagram model. Okay, 43 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: that's for starters. Three hundred thousand followers, that's nothing to 44 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: sneeze at. I don't know if you do Instagram and 45 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: stuff like that, but having three hundred thousand followers, that's good. 46 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: You're onto something there. Her family said that Esmerelda had 47 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: gone to school and was looking forward to going to 48 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: law school. Beautiful, smart, but she did have a few 49 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: issues along the way that brought her into a situation 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas and the suburbs of Vegas that it's 51 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: just heartbreaking. The family is crushed. They oftentimes looked at 52 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: Esmerelda Gonzalez she was so smart, and looked at her 53 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: as somebody they needed to protect from the world and 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: the craziness in the world, And in this particular case, 55 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: they were unable to protect her from herself and the 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: crazies that she ended up with. I don't knows she 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: became involved with them at all. I think she ended 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: up with them purely out of happenstance as much as 59 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: anything else. 60 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't call Vegas sense for nothing. Look, 61 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, who am I to throw stones at Vegas. 62 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed myself in Vegas many times. But you have 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot of hustlers out there. You have a lot 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 1: of people that are trying to make a buck any 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: way that they possibly can, and sometimes, you know, you 66 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: get off into these very dark areas. In es Morelda's case, 67 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: use a metaphor her tiny little ship, the rudder on 68 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: her ship. It was impacted by mental illness. She, according 69 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: to her family, you know, was dealing with multiple issues, 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, everything from schizophrenia to bipolar. 71 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because it was her 72 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: brother that said this early on in the investigation. Joe, Yeah, 73 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: he's the one that said it. And oftentimes that's not 74 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: something people lead with because immediately if you say this 75 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: person is living with mental illness, okay, immediately and I 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: guess we're bad like this, but we immediately say, oh, 77 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: it's her fault. Yeah, yeah, you know what, nobody deserves 78 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: to have what happened to her. Mental illness is something 79 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: that needs to be treated. It's not something that needs 80 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: to be used as an excuse for bad behavior of others. 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: I know, absolutely not. As a matter of fact, it's 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: even more striking when you consider that you've got someone 83 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: that is essentially this handicapped in a world that's very dynamic, 84 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: moving quickly, you're surrounded by people that are predators and look. 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: Predators can spot folks that are weak in particular areas. 86 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: If you know people that have drug addiction problems, predators 87 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: can take advantage of that by enticement and those sorts 88 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: of things. If you have an individual that is suffering 89 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: from some type of mental illness, particularly that makes them paranoid, 90 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: you can threaten them and then promise to protect them 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: from those things that they think they're seeing or that 92 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: they're hearing, and they can be easily manipulated. Or if 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: you have a sadistic streak running through you, you can use 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: that to your advantage to terrify the person and keep 95 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: them in a state of terror. And I got to 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: tell you that's a sin actually what happened with es 97 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: morel Today. 98 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: When we think of Vegas, oftentimes we think of the 99 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: Vegas Strip and movies about Vegas, or I've never actually 100 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: been Joe. Knowing myself the way I do, that's not 101 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: a good place for me to go. I'm that guy 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: that would lose five dollars on a slot machine and 103 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: mortgage my house trying to get it back, so I 104 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: avoid that in this particular case where es Morel di 105 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: Gonzalez lived in Las Vegas, and she was an Instagram model, 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: as we mentioned on May thirty first, which in the 107 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: desert of Vegas it gets hot early. It's not like 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: in other parts of the country where late May can 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: oftentimes be like springtime. It's dead summer in Vegas at 110 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: this time. And mis Gonzales, as we mentioned, she had 111 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: some mental health things going on. She had been seen 112 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: wearing lingerie and high heels trying to work a deal 113 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: on a car at a car dealership. Okay, not something 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: people would normally do. But in the pre dawn hours 115 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: of May thirty first, she was seen on surveillance cameras 116 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: walking in her neighborhood wearing the lingerie and seemed to 117 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: be unsteady on her feet, and she knocks on the 118 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: door of a house and I don't know who she 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: asked for or way she said, but the people living 120 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: in the home said, you're at the wrong house, dear. 121 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: When she left that house in the pre dawn hours 122 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: of May thirty first, she went to another house. What 123 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: she ran into was not somebody who said, no, you're 124 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: at the wrong house. It was somebody who said, I'm 125 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: the devil, come in and let's party. And this is 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: where the kidnapping comes in, when she knocked on that 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: wrong door and was taken into Christopher Presteppino's house, where 128 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: all of the evil that can befall any one person 129 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: began with a five foot tall, twenty four year old 130 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: Instagram model. 131 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing about this Prespatino character is that 132 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: he's a felon who has previously been hooked up on 133 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: drug charges, certainly been on probation, and has been associated 134 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: with cooking meth. 135 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Actually that was one of his charges. He had gone 136 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: to Jael as early as I think two thousand and 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: two thousand and one on drug charges, and in two 138 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: thousand and five he actually was convicted. He was actually 139 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: far deeper into it than most people would ever get 140 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: as a multi drug dealer. But he did have a 141 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: job too. 142 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did. And I got to say something 143 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: about this. I was amazed just this past year, this 144 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: last iteration of crime con we were actually here, we 145 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: were at he worked for Valley's Paris. You know they're 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: both connected. We were walking these same hallways at Crime 147 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Con this past year and where we were doing presentations 148 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: and everything relative to true crime. Body Bags had a 149 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: table set up there on podcast a row And when 150 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: I saw that he worked there as a stage hand 151 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: and had been working there Dave for a while, I 152 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: think he got I think yeah, I think he got 153 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: his first gig in like nineteen ninety nine. So it's 154 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: not like this guy is not familiar with the environment, 155 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: like he just kind of was plopped down in the 156 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: middle of it. Understands the guts, he knows how the 157 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: sausage is made in this environment, and more than likely 158 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: he can spot people a mile away and know who 159 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: is easily preyed upon. 160 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: Perhaps, and that's probably the exact explanation of what happened 161 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: to prey upon. When somebody shows up at your house 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: in the pre dawn hours dressed in lingerie and high 163 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: hills and doesn't know where they are and they're at 164 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: the wrong house and you say, no, this is the 165 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: right house, come on in. They tied her up. 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: It's important to understand that this guy has actually got 167 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: a girlfriend as well who was involved in this with him, 168 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,239 Speaker 1: and I don't quite understand the degree of her involvement, 169 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: but I do know this that once he got her 170 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: as Marialda fragile, probably not taking medication. Once he got 171 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: her inside this house, Dave all hell broke loose because 172 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: he gave her myth. He tied her to a chair, 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: then he said she started speaking with a devil's tongue. 174 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: A little known fact about your host. And when I 175 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: was in college, I actually worked as a psych tech. 176 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: And it's not that I had special training in psychology. 177 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: I was an undergraduate student. But what I did have 178 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: was I was a bigger guy that was kind of quiet. 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: I could work on the psych unit and then particularly 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: they had me working with acute patients that and what 181 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: that means is that patients that had a tendency toward 182 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: acting out and violence and that sort of thing. So 183 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: essentially I became a person that would restrain individuals. I 184 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: witnessed a lot even in that short period of time 185 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: that I worked in that environment. And what I conclusion 186 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: that I arrived at was that people that are suffering 187 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: from acute mental illness, in particular those that are not 188 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: taking their medication. First off, they're fragile first and Secondly, 189 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: they can act violently when they're confronted or cornered in 190 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: any manner. You take a drug like methamphetamine and you 191 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: apply it to someone Dave, and you talk about a 192 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster, You talk about a violent reaction. It's 193 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: something that I don't know if anybody can really understand 194 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: unless they witness it. 195 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: It actually is something that goes beyond what then I 196 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: say normal, But I don't want to act like what 197 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: you have done in your life is abnormal, Judge. It's 198 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: just we don't have that experience. We don't have the 199 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: same experience you have. I've been in radio and television 200 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: my entire adult life, so I can talk about camera angles, lighting, 201 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: microphones and things like that, whereas you can talk about 202 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: the inner workings of the body and as it starts 203 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: to break down after death, and how it can lead 204 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: you back to the guy, the person that did the crime. 205 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: Everything you say is foreign to me. My question here 206 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: is that this young woman twenty four years old, five 207 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: feet tall, she knocks at the wrong door at in 208 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: the pre dawn hours and is invited in. She's fairly quickly, 209 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, tied to a chair by Christopher pressed Tippino. 210 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: He ties her up to a chair, feeds her methomphetamine. 211 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: That's when you mentioned the other issues that she, as 212 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: Morella dealt with. As Marilla Gonzalez, according to her family, 213 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: was bipolar, schizophrenic, and she started saying things that just 214 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: sounded crazy, evil, And in his own psyche thought he 215 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: was dealing with somebody who was speaking the devil, and 216 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: he ropes in his girlfriend and his roommate to now 217 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: help him deal with the problem. He decides to undo her. 218 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: He's kept her trying. According to prosecutors, he kept her 219 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: tied up for a few days. Joe, what would that 220 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: do to somebody being tied up? Not just for a 221 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: couple hours we're having fun playing games. We're talking about 222 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: a number of days of being tied up. You don't 223 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: know what's going on. What would that do to a 224 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: person who already is walking a fine line of mental health. 225 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: We all have this kind of sense about us where 226 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: you get the hair you know that'll stand up on 227 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: the back of your neck if you feel uncomfortable. You know, 228 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: it kind of is like this kind of indwelling thing 229 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: that tells us beware, there's a danger ahead. Imagine if 230 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: you live in that heightened state all of the time, 231 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: if you're paranoid, for instance, you believe that people are 232 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: after you. And then you couple that with some of 233 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the other issues that come along with schizphrenia, like auditory hallucinations, 234 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:46,359 Speaker 1: maybe visual hallucinations. It makes for a horrible set of circumstances. 235 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: And if somebody has given you methamphetamine, which is going 236 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: to ramp you up at a baseline physiological state, you know, 237 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: where a profuse sweating, you know, heart palpitations, shallow breathing, 238 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: the world is racing anyway. I've always kind of envisioned 239 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: it to be like a horror show, which is really 240 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: amazing because it's so highly addictive. And then can you 241 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: imagine being caught in that loop. So you take someone 242 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: that has this kind of mental illness and then apply 243 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: the drug to them, Yeah, they're going to start, probably 244 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: at least in your perception, speaking with the devil's tongue 245 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: because they can't get loose. And the critical error that 246 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: was made here is that she threatened to call the 247 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: police about the drugs. I guess in some lucid moment. 248 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: And this is a guy that keep in mind he's 249 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: been hooked up on felonious charges before. He is a felon. 250 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: He's a felon, and he knows what's going to happen 251 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: to him because he's looking at this. He's been around 252 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: other people that have been charged and probably convicted of kidnapping. 253 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: He knows that he's involved in a kidnapping event at 254 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: this point in time, and he's had this girl restrained. 255 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,119 Speaker 1: Now he's getting off into the area of tortured. Obviously 256 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: there are sexual elements to this. He's probably sexualized her 257 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: in some way. I don't know if he actually and 258 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that we will ever know if he 259 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: put his hands on her, if he raped her, or 260 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. Now I don't believe that 261 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: he was actually charged with that, but one never knows 262 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: what has happened. And this goes more toward her state 263 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: of mind. But what he did understand is that, at 264 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: least in his mind, he had to find a way 265 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: to make her be quiet. And secondly, once he kind 266 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: of crossed that rubicon, if you will, a dead body 267 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: on his hands, now, what in the world are you 268 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: going to do? And backing up Dave on top of it, 269 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: he injected this poor woman allegedly with pool cleaner, you know, 270 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: and there's any number of compounds that are out there 271 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: that pool cleaner is made from. None of them are 272 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: compatible with life. But apparently what happened was that it 273 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't kill her. So now he's got to close in 274 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: and he's got to finish her off. What is believed 275 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: to have happened at this moment with all screaming, the shouting, 276 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: the torture. She's been restrained for all of these days 277 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: in a place that she just walks up to the door. 278 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: As you painted that picture, she walks into hell essentially, 279 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: and now he's faced with having to quiet her and 280 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: in an attempt to take her life. I would assume 281 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: he injects her with a pool cleaner doesn't do the job, 282 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: so now he does have to put his hands on her, 283 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: and it's at that point in time that he asphyxiates her. 284 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Day asphyxiate her. 285 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: Now she's sitting in a chair, she's been tied up. 286 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: One thing I did want to bring up, okay, you 287 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: said in a lucid moment, she said, I'm calling the 288 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: cops in that lucid moment. Okay, they untied her hands. 289 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: She hit him as Marelda was lucid enough to try 290 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: to get away, she hit him right in the face. 291 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: As soon as her hands were free. She wanted to 292 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: get away. I want to make sure everybody knows that 293 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: in that moment, she knew what had befallen her, and 294 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: she tried to get away. She fought back. That's when 295 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: they injected the pool cleaner. And I've got a real 296 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: question for you about that. And according to the police, 297 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: she was strangled. Okay, Now, she's five foot nothing, twenty 298 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: four years old, faced with a convicted felon who doesn't 299 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: want to go back to prison, and two other women 300 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: who are out of their minds helping him. What would 301 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: pool cleaner do if you injected it into somebody. 302 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: It's a horrible reaction because let's just say that the 303 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: base element is in fact chlorine. We know what the 304 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: purpose of chlorine is. It's to you know, essentially shock 305 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: the environment of the pool to get rid of any 306 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: of the nasties that are in dwelling in here. But 307 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: just exposure to just say chlorine, because they're very nonspecific 308 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: about what has been applied or the compound specifically, but 309 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: in me, pool cleaner. It's one of the base elements 310 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: is in fact chlorine. There are different forms of it, 311 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: and actually clorin gas has been used. And to give 312 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: you an idea how horrific this is, if this kind 313 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: of frames it for youchloring gas has actually been used 314 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: as a tool of war, and it's horrible, I mean, 315 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: absolutely horrible way to die. All the mucous linings of 316 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: your airway are going to become inflamed, Your throat will swell, 317 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: Your ability to uptake oxygen, it's going to be greatly compromised. 318 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: You're struggling to breathe, and there's burning that's associated with this, 319 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: and on top of it, there is violent fits of 320 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: vomiting as well. So you've got all of this going on. 321 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Is this is raging through your system, on top of methamphetamine, 322 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: on top of all of the mental health issues that 323 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: this poor woman is suffering from. It's not necessarily a 324 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: merciful event. I don't know that she could have recovered 325 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: from this. It would have eventually killed her. But he 326 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: saw that it wasn't working. He wrapped his hands around 327 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: her throat and choked the life out of it. For 328 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: a moment in time, I can imagine these are merely 329 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: my own thoughts. Here a Prespotino wished that he had 330 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: never opened that door, because now after having this poor 331 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: young woman, he's kidnapped her. He knows by now at 332 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: least he has a perception that she's got mental illness. 333 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: He knows that he's got a tiger by the tale. Essentially, 334 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: he's ended her life now with his bare hands. What 335 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: are you going to do? That's the amazing thing, Dave 336 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: about people that take the lives of other folks. They 337 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: do these things in a heat of passion, and then 338 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: they look over what has resulted from their actions, and 339 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: they say, what next, what next? Indeed, what could you do? 340 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: In her case, she was reported missing May thirty first 341 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: as Marilla to Gonzalez, and they did not find her 342 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: body until October. We know that she was injected with 343 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: pool cleaner. We know that she was strangled. When her 344 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: body was found, it wasn't found out in the open, 345 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: It wasn't even found in a hole. It was actually 346 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: found in a tomb, and it was when they were 347 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 2: undoing this assume. That's why I have all these questions, Joe, 348 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: because I'm trying to figure out what damage the pool 349 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 2: cleaner would do to her internal organs in causing her 350 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: to decompose. You know, we hear about bodies being wrapped 351 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: up and put in holes and things like that, and 352 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: unless you've seen it, you don't even know what we're 353 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: going to be looking at. Are we going to be 354 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: looking at skeletalized remains or are we going to look 355 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: at somebody who's fairly well preserved after ninety day In this. 356 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Particular case, Dave, you're talking about Vegas and we're going 357 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: into one of the hottest times of the year, and 358 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you're entombed in that environment, the 359 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: body's going to begin to break down. But here's the 360 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: interesting thing. Back to Prespotino, He's actually visualized going into 361 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: a store and buying I dig this, buying five five 362 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: sixty pound bags of concrete. Well, let me do the 363 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: math real quick. That's three hundred pounds, man, three hundred 364 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: pounds of quick crete, which, if you've never seen it, 365 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to put up a I don't know, 366 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: a mailbox in your yard or something like that, you 367 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: know you're going to pour it into a form and 368 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: you set the post, and it's very heavy. There's a 369 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: reason you use it because it ain't going nowhere, at 370 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: least for a while. Right, So you've got three hundred 371 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: pounds of just these bags alone. What are you going 372 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: to do with this? Because you're living inside of a residence. 373 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: He took off work. And here's where investigations come in, really, 374 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: and one of the things that we were going to 375 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: look at with an individual that might be associated with crime. 376 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: Are there any kind of gaps in time here where 377 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: there were because he took a week off when she disappeared. 378 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: I think that you and I can probably come to 379 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: an agreement here why he took that time off? He's 380 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: thinking any thinking, how am I going to deal with this? 381 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: How am I going to get her out of my 382 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: residence and put as much distance between myself and her? Well, 383 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: not only did he take time off from work, but 384 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: in addition to that, he rented a you all, Dave, 385 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: he rented a U Haul And I got to tell you, 386 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: I've spent more time driving U hauls in my life 387 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: than I care to remember. If I never get inside 388 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: of another nothing against U haul company. It could be anybody. 389 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of moving in my life of 390 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: how to move a lot. But that's what he did. 391 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: You look at somebody from an investigative standpoint, you try 392 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: to think, well, why are you renting a U haul? 393 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: Did you say, have this moment Tom where you decide 394 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to pick up and leave town. There's no 395 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: indication of you actually leaving town, So why do you 396 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: need a U haul? What are you moving? And those 397 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: are questions that any investigator would begin to ask. You know, 398 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: it's like that old proverbial thread on the sweater that's 399 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: hanging down. You pull on that sucker and the thing 400 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: becomes unraveled and the picture begins to become a bit more. 401 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: Clear when they start at the end okay, and start backtracking, 402 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: and they're able to see the ending and try to 403 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: figure out how it got there. When he buys the 404 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: three hundred pounds worth of quick creed, it means very 405 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: little if you don't know the rest of the Paul Harvey, 406 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: the rest of the story. But once they know the 407 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: rest of the story and they're backtracking, Okay, you're right, 408 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: he's got three hundred pounds of quick creed, he's got 409 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: a U haul. Obviously he's going to be moving something 410 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: very heavy. I don't know where his mind was in 411 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: the thinking process, and I have to think this was 412 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: something he had thought of before in his crazy life, because, 413 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: as you said, he took a week off of work 414 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: to figure out what to do and what he came 415 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: up with. I'm gonna be honest, Joe, from the outside 416 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: looking in, not knowing anything about forensics, really, I thought 417 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: what he did in trying to cover up the crime 418 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: by trying to put the body in a place in 419 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: an area that would not be found and also would 420 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: not create the odor of decomposition, I thought it would work. 421 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: From the outside looking in. 422 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: Every time a perpetrator takes a step, any kind of 423 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: step in any direction, you're going to begin to leave 424 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: that trail of breadcrumbs behind. So yeah, I mean in theory, 425 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: you would think, yeah, okay, let's get quick crete and 426 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: intomb a body in it and put a much distance. Well, look, man, 427 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: if you're mixing quick crete, first off, you've got to 428 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: purchase it, then you got to mix it. It's a 429 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: bloody mess. I mean, it truly is. You know, if 430 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: you've ever dealt with it, you're leaving dust behind. If 431 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: you're in a environment, say for instance, that where one 432 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: would not normally expect to be mixing quick creek because 433 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a dead body, you're going to 434 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: have to do it in a sequestered area. There's no 435 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: way you can go out in the front yard and 436 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: do this and wave it. Everybody's there going down the road. 437 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: So when investigators get to a location, they begin to 438 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: kind of dig. They're walking through an individual's house per 439 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: a warrant, and they see evidence of something that has occurred. Yeah, 440 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: in principle, it seems like a jam up idea, but 441 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it goes to a 442 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: bigger picture. There's one other thing I forgot to mention 443 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: that he purchased. In addition to this you were talking 444 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: about knocking down the odor of decomposition. He also bought 445 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: lime as well, which is something you know you see 446 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: in the movies where people will throw lime on graves 447 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: to knock down the smell. Some people claim that it 448 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: promotes decomposition for the body to decompose quicker, And you 449 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: see this played out in the movies, and it's almost 450 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: like this guy has taken notes from Hollywood here as 451 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: to what he's going to try to do. But once 452 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: you've created this huge block of concrete, and I'll go 453 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: ahead and bury the lead here and say that her 454 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: remains are now entombed inside of this block of concrete, 455 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: which is also inside of a tank. It's like an 456 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: old water tank with a wooden frame that has been 457 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: created for this purpose. You got to move it. So 458 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: what are you going to do it? 459 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: The two hundred and fifty gallon tank. It's a big tank. 460 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: It's a big tank. Yeah, and I'll give him this. 461 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: A water tank being moved out of your house doesn't 462 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: look like a dead body being moved out of your house, 463 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: all right. That would obviously give you the idea you're 464 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: going to be able to, you know, transport without maybe 465 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: drawing as much attention. Okay, but still, you've got one 466 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: thing that you've got to account for. You've got a 467 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: missing young woman. So the last place she is perhaps 468 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: seen is at his house. The next thing you know, 469 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: he's rented a U haul, he's bought quick crete, he's 470 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: bought in line, and he's got this tank. Maybe he 471 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: just had it laying around and all of that's gone 472 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: now along with the U haul, and no one knows 473 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: where Esmarel is. 474 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: He has the body encased in the cement inside the 475 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty gallon tank. We know he's got 476 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: the U haul, and we know, as the police like 477 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: to say, it's a big desert out there. As most 478 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: drug addicts do. They talk. As most drug addicts do, 479 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: especially with meth, they get paranoid pressed. Bettina, he needed 480 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: help to get this done, and he was his own 481 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: worst enemy in helping the police solve the entire crime. 482 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: What's the old adage about one person can keep a 483 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: secret when you begin to involve these other people. A 484 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: girlfriend in particular, a lady named Lisa, mort that she 485 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: would look have an awareness of what he was doing 486 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: with her, but then she would enter into an agreement 487 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: with him to help him cover this crime up. It's 488 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: just it's mind blowing. But we've covered on bodybags, we've 489 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: covered other cases involving the desert out there, and it 490 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: is just seemingly endless. But again, this water tank and 491 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: wooden structure, that's really I urge anybody that can go 492 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: online to take a look at this thing. It's just 493 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: sitting kind of like on this rise out in the 494 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: middle of the desert. It is an entument that's not 495 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: buried it's just right there. And for me, I've worked 496 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: cases similar to this. I've also had friends that have 497 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: had to if you can imagine this, dislodge a block 498 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: of concrete that literally had to be lifted up with 499 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: a crane because you had individuals that were buried within 500 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: an entumbment like this. And then this is where it 501 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: gets really fascinating to me. You're dealing with something that 502 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: is outside of your depth here as a forensic scientist. 503 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Contained within here is more than likely human remains that 504 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: you're looking for. And if you, for instance, with those 505 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: that are burying the ground, you can actually use ground 506 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: penetrating radar even on a concrete surface. You know that 507 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: something is in here, how are you going to be 508 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: able to appreciate it, visualize it? Where are you going 509 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: to know to go so that you don't destroy anything 510 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: that's contained in there. So it's a painstaking process. It's 511 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: not like the crane can place this onto the back 512 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: of a truck and you're going to take it to 513 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: the morgue and put it up on a table in 514 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: your autopsy suite and begin to knock away all of 515 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: the concrete. You're going to have to use heavy equipment 516 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: to do this, You're going to have to bust this 517 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: up in order to get to the body that is 518 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: contained therein and you don't want to destroy any kind 519 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: of evidence. And with Esmeralda, you'd ask me the question 520 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: about decomposition. I wanted to kind of revisit that a bit. 521 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: There was probably some tissue remaining, but a goodly portion 522 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: of all that remained with her was bone. But there 523 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: was something else. Her jewelry was actually still there, and 524 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about just common everyday jewelry. There was 525 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: actually a Rolex watch that was found entombed with her 526 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: that belonged to her. That's something that if you're looking 527 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: at say a crime, a property crime where maybe a 528 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: robbery has gone bad, you're not going to have somebody 529 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that's perpetrating that kind of crime that's going to leave 530 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: a Rolex behind that's going to be at the top 531 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: of the list. You're going to take that well in 532 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: any kind of gold and their necklaces, rings, all kinds 533 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: of stuff that are in this mix that had contained 534 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: her remains and essentially her skeletal remains. The trick is 535 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: this when you have a death related to asphyxi and 536 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: we've seen this played out a lot recently in the news, 537 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: and you have decomposition. It's really really difficult, Dave, to 538 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: try to understand what exactly was it that brought about 539 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: this death because there's no soft tissue. You can't look 540 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: back and say, well, we've got hemorrhage here, we've got 541 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: hemorrhage there. All that remained were the bones. And so 542 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: it's going to require some circumstantial evidence to come into play, 543 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: some testimonial evidence from somebody that may have had directcknowledge 544 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: of it. And of course that's what happened with these 545 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: associates that pres Patino had. 546 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: I'm shocked, okay about the jewelry. When I saw the 547 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: police had taken pictures of the jewelry and that rolex 548 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: and things like that, I thought, okay, this criminal had 549 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: the presence of mind to say, do not keep any 550 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: of this because you're you know, girls like jewelry, and 551 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: it was Gurly jewelry, of the Gurly Rolex. He had 552 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: to have the presence of mind and say, no, you 553 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: can't go walking around with her jewelry. You can't go 554 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: walking around with her rolex. Put then in there. But Joe, 555 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: these criminals they killed this twenty four year old woman, 556 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: a beautiful young woman. They kill her with their bare hands. 557 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: They figure out a way is to put her in 558 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty gallon water tank. Poor quick 559 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: create Oliver. They wrapped her body up first in a blanket. 560 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: In blankets from the home. 561 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they did that, this is what I was thinking. 562 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm kind of shocked when you say 563 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: that her her body was pretty much just going to 564 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: be bones, because I thought wrapping her up in the blanket, 565 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: putting her in the tomb, and then covering her up 566 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: with three hundred pounds of quick read, I thought that 567 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: would seal in her body, you know, and prevent that 568 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: from happening. That's what I was thinking. I had no 569 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: idea that they would have to use bone marrow to 570 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 2: get her DNA and match it with her parents, because 571 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: there wasn't anything left of her. I just assumed putting 572 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: her in that way that her body would have been 573 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: well preserved. 574 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: You think about it, anytime you have this kind of 575 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: environmental temperature. The desert around Vegas is so hostile. I 576 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: mean it truly is, and you're going to have remains 577 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: that are out there that are literally cooking in this heat, 578 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: and the body will begin to render down. Essentially, you know, 579 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: the human body is very fragile. We think of ourselves 580 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: as being very robust, but in death, you know, after 581 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: all this metabolic activity has ceased and everything else, you're 582 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: subject to the environment which you're in. So you have 583 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: this encasement that's going to be superheated out there on 584 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the floor of the desert. Bodies are going to down. 585 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: But we do know this. All that remained of Esmeralda 586 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: wound up telling her tale and eventually wound up seeing 587 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Presbattino going to prison. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is 588 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: body bags.