Speaker 1: Call from Nina.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, what's up. How's it going?
Speaker 1: Hi, it's going pretty good. I did not expect you
Speaker 1: to pick up. This is crazy.
Speaker 2: What's your name? Nina Mina or Nina?
Speaker 1: Nina like? And I am a N with an N.
Speaker 1: Yes with an N.
Speaker 2: That's a stupid thing to say, N with an N.
Speaker 2: That was you know how people say like b as
Speaker 2: in boy. That was the opposite. It was like ooohs
Speaker 2: and boo. I had no new information on the second line.
Speaker 2: I was just saying about that nonsense, you know what?
Speaker 1: And that's okay. I feel like people fuck up the
Speaker 1: phonetic alphabet a lot.
Speaker 2: Thank you, n Nina. Yes, it's very forgiving of you.
Speaker 2: What were you going to say?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how's your day?
Speaker 2: Knowing how's my day going? Uh, my day's going okay.
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a lot of mental reorganization.
Speaker 2: H But I think that that is kind of a
Speaker 2: constant of life. Things keep moving, something ever stays the same.
Speaker 2: Uh what about you? What's up with you?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: And what made you want to call the Gecko Show today?
Speaker 3: Well, I like, I always listen to your podcast, so
Speaker 3: I just really wanted.
Speaker 1: To call in and I guess I was like kind
Speaker 1: of like an.
Speaker 3: Ongoing issue that I don't really think there's a solution to.
Speaker 2: I guess interesting.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, sorry, I kind of have to make
Speaker 3: this a little quick because I am at work. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so basically I don't really like have a great relationship
Speaker 3: with my dad, you know, like he just consistently is
Speaker 3: not really there for me in the ways that I
Speaker 3: need him to be, like emotionally, Like he's there for
Speaker 3: me financially, but like that's not all like a person needs,
Speaker 3: you know. And so basically like we constantly will get
Speaker 3: him to like fights about this because he doesn't like
Speaker 3: understand that you know that you can you have to
Speaker 3: show for someone in multiple ways. And he also like
Speaker 3: when I try to kind of like curate that relationship
Speaker 3: and build it, he'll like constantly like use anything that
Speaker 3: I say, like about myself like against me.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like a.
Speaker 2: Difference, I'm sorry, or he'll use what you say about
Speaker 2: you against you. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: So, like, for example, like I had like this ex boyfriend,
Speaker 3: and like I was telling him kind of about the
Speaker 3: situation because we had broken up, and I told him
Speaker 3: that like my ex boyfriend had said that he thought
Speaker 3: I was a bit selfish, and my dad was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: your ex boyfriend was right, you definitely are selfish, and
Speaker 3: you like told me that like while we were in
Speaker 3: an argument. So it's like things that I say, like
Speaker 3: in my life, Like he'll use that against me.
Speaker 2: Who but what's your dad's what's your dad's deal? Like,
Speaker 2: who is he is the person? What's what's give me?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has a lot going on himself too,
Speaker 3: Like he was adopted and he also like was adopted
Speaker 3: by a family that was like not really great, Like
Speaker 3: my dad's a black man and he was adopted by
Speaker 3: a white family.
Speaker 1: And so it's just it wasn't really like a great
Speaker 1: like mix up. Like they they were.
Speaker 3: Like kind of I would say, abusive, I guess. So
Speaker 3: he never really had like a great like upbringing. He
Speaker 3: ended up like going to like jail for like a
Speaker 3: year or two, and then he got out and like
Speaker 3: he became a lawyer. So now he's a lawyer, So
Speaker 3: he has like a really like crazy upbringing.
Speaker 2: But because I don't are here your mom still together?
Speaker 1: No, So they were actually like.
Speaker 3: They only dated for like a little bit, but then
Speaker 3: they had me when my mom was like twenty and
Speaker 3: he was like twenty thirty or something like that.
Speaker 1: So they were like just dating. They were never married
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Hmm. And so should I go up? Uh huh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 1: Okay. So should I go on about like the actual
Speaker 1: issue at hand?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Sorry, I didn't I thought. Uh I thought you
Speaker 2: did get into the actual issue. Let's hear it.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: Sorry, So, like, so he's there for me financially, like
Speaker 3: I'm in school now and he's able to, like I guess,
Speaker 3: like pay for that stuff. But like I really hate
Speaker 3: like talking to him and being around him and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And if I like try to like not
Speaker 3: talk to him or listen to him, he like will
Speaker 3: threaten me like to like stop paying for school or
Speaker 3: something like that. So like I feel like I'm kind
Speaker 3: of like really stuck in this situation because like I
Speaker 3: don't really want to talk or interact with him, but
Speaker 3: like I need him to be there for to pay
Speaker 3: for my school.
Speaker 2: Ooh interesting, okay, yeah, okay, So the dilemma is that
Speaker 2: your dad is not like interacting with you, uh in
Speaker 2: the way that you need him to like be there
Speaker 2: for you, but you also are still reliant upon him
Speaker 2: financially exactly. But also but in addition to that, there
Speaker 2: was also a genuine desire to interact with your dad
Speaker 2: on the level that you desire to, not just purely
Speaker 2: financial motivation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it really wasn't. I feel like I just
Speaker 3: tried so many times, and like recently in November, like
Speaker 3: during Thanksgiving time, me and him got into like this
Speaker 3: really big argument and he said like a lot of
Speaker 3: things that were like really hurtful to me. And I
Speaker 3: just feel like I can't be around someone who is
Speaker 3: going to, you know, put me down and isn't going
Speaker 3: to be like contributing to my life in like a
Speaker 3: positive way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really tough. And I'm I I Mina.
Speaker 3: Me and or Nina, Nina, and I am I heard
Speaker 3: an end?
Speaker 2: I heard an end? Yeah, Nina, first of all, Mina,
Speaker 2: I I'm really uh genuine, I'm very sorry to hear
Speaker 2: that this is going on with you and your dad,
Speaker 2: because uh no one fucking you know deserves that from
Speaker 2: their parents. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's it's not cool.
Speaker 2: You deserve better. And uh I'm sorry that you got unlucky.
Speaker 2: Uh in this situation because uh, I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: that's a really tough but kind of sad thing, is
Speaker 2: that the onus after you've kind of done your best
Speaker 2: to express these feelings towards him about your relationship, you've
Speaker 2: kind of seemed like you've put everything that you've got
Speaker 2: on the table, and for him, it's like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's such a bummer because you can't force anyone to
Speaker 2: be any way other than they are. All you really
Speaker 2: can do is put yourself on the table. And it's
Speaker 2: a bummer because you see, you're his fucking daughter. He
Speaker 2: should he shouldn't be, you know, telling you that you're
Speaker 2: you know self. He shouldn't be, you know, he should
Speaker 2: really be trying to appeal to you as his daughter.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a shame, and I'm sorry about that. Now.
Speaker 2: As as far as like what do you do, like
Speaker 2: do you keep hanging out with him? Listen, I don't
Speaker 2: think if you wanted to stand on your own principles
Speaker 2: of whatever and say, you know, fuck it, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just try to figure out some other way to make
Speaker 2: this happen financially, or take out a loan or do
Speaker 2: do it whatever you know, if if that was the
Speaker 2: decision of integrity that you wanted to make, I don't
Speaker 2: think that there would be anything wrong with that. But
Speaker 2: also if you if you swallow your pride and you
Speaker 2: were like, he's my fucking dad. I'm gonna try my
Speaker 2: best on my end to honor this relationship I have
Speaker 2: with him. I'm gonna do one hundred percent of my
Speaker 2: part of trying to be a good daughter, whatever whatever
Speaker 2: that means to you. And if you go to bed
Speaker 2: at night and you go I was the best version
Speaker 2: of the best daughter, whatever that means to you. I
Speaker 2: was the best version of myself in this in this
Speaker 2: relationship I have with my dad, And you know what,
Speaker 2: that's good enough for me to go to sleep at
Speaker 2: night and feel like I tried, and you know, I
Speaker 2: can kind of suck up whatever's coming from him. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think there's anything wrong with
Speaker 2: that either. But I think there's a way to if
Speaker 2: that's the route you want to go, I think there's
Speaker 2: certain ways to do it that kind of still protect
Speaker 2: your peace. That's one of them. Is I feel like
Speaker 2: in a relationship like that, where you approach it as
Speaker 2: best as you can within your ability, and sometimes that
Speaker 2: means just like if there are if he's trying to
Speaker 2: pick a fight or he's doing this, he's trying to
Speaker 2: agitate you, and you just try to take the high
Speaker 2: road every time, and you're like, I'm not gonna escalate
Speaker 2: things with him. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna disengage.
Speaker 2: I've put myself out on the table. I've told him
Speaker 2: what I'm willing to deal with. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna disengage. I'm not gonna take any bait. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna you know, I'm just gonna spend the minimum
Speaker 2: amount of time around him as I need and then
Speaker 2: be like, listen, man, I'm trying my best and the
Speaker 2: rest is on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that was helpful, but that's
Speaker 2: my ponder about it.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the conclusion I came to already. But
Speaker 3: like it just kind of sucks like a lot, and
Speaker 3: like it also is like really annoying because I think,
Speaker 3: why me and him clash laws because we have very
Speaker 3: similar personalities and we're both pretty prideful people. So like
Speaker 3: swallowing my pride is like a bit hard for me.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I've like this kind of in this situation,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's actually no winning, so I've kind
Speaker 3: of like decided I kind of just have to do it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, hm, no, I feel I feel for you, dude.
Speaker 2: It does suck, like it's it's ha's your relationship with
Speaker 2: your mom? What's her? What's her?
Speaker 1: Actually so good?
Speaker 3: I love my mom so much. Me and her have
Speaker 3: an amazing relationship and we're super close. We talk every day,
Speaker 3: and I feel honestly feel like she's like my best friend,
Speaker 3: Like she gets me, I feel like on every.
Speaker 1: Level, So like that's wow.
Speaker 3: A positive thing that I feel like I have out
Speaker 3: of this is like my.
Speaker 1: Mom knows my dad.
Speaker 3: She's been a him for longer than I have, so
Speaker 3: she like kinda is able to like give me reassurance
Speaker 3: and like able to help me navigate how to handle
Speaker 3: things with him in the way where I'm still able
Speaker 3: to like get what I need financially, but like not
Speaker 3: be her emotionally. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What's your mom's take on this whole thing?
Speaker 1: She is kind of just like.
Speaker 3: She kind of thinks one, I should kind of just
Speaker 3: fake it till I make it and then like because
Speaker 3: I still have to go Like right now, I'm in
Speaker 3: like my third year of school of university and I
Speaker 3: still have to go to like medical school or that's
Speaker 3: my goal. So like I still have like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to rely on my parents for a little bit.
Speaker 3: So she's like either faked so you make it, or
Speaker 3: just kind of don't like you know how he is,
Speaker 3: So it's like, don't let these things affect you. But
Speaker 3: of course that's easier said than done.
Speaker 2: Right right, m how long have they been a part for?
Speaker 2: How long have they been divorced or separate?
Speaker 3: So they were never married, but they've been a part
Speaker 3: for like my whole life, like since I was born.
Speaker 3: They've pretty much been like not together.
Speaker 6: M M.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you know, at least one of
Speaker 2: your parental relationships worked out pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really happy about that too.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, don't streuss stuff out about too. I I I
Speaker 2: feel for you. It's a bummer having a parent that
Speaker 2: is like not supportive of you in that way. But yeah,
Speaker 2: my my my feeling is that like after you put
Speaker 2: yourself out there, the onus is really on him. He's
Speaker 2: got to make a separate call. We'll talk me and
Speaker 2: your dad.
Speaker 6: That'd be interesting, No, I've I I wish that would happen,
Speaker 6: but I don't know. I feel like even if he
Speaker 6: like we me and him have had conversations about it,
Speaker 6: and like he's kind of been honest with me, but
Speaker 6: I feel like he like weaponizes him in his like
Speaker 6: childhood for like to like be the reasoning for why
Speaker 6: he can't like build this relationship now. But it's also
Speaker 6: like you're forty years old, like get your shit together,
Speaker 6: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course, or like forty five no, yeah, yeah, at
Speaker 2: that point you gotta get your fucking shit together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's only so long that you can
Speaker 3: really like be in that mindset. And I also feel
Speaker 3: like that's kind of common with people like today, honestly, Oh.
Speaker 2: What just like blaming childhood trauma for a little too long?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like yeah, like yeah I would say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, childhood trauma and shit like that.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It's good for uh, it's good for getting to where
Speaker 2: you are now if that information is helpful to it's
Speaker 2: good for understanding yourself, but it can't be like this continuous,
Speaker 2: uh road block you have to you have to kind
Speaker 2: of want to get that's what you have to kind
Speaker 2: of want to get over it. And times and some
Speaker 2: people they just don't like have the desire to get
Speaker 2: over it or the strength and the energy. H and
Speaker 2: I yeah, I get why as it gets older, as
Speaker 2: you get older, there's less of inclination for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like people just have to like want to
Speaker 3: help themselves. And if you don't, obviously there's going to
Speaker 3: be no change and you're just going to be stuck
Speaker 3: in like the same cycle or same place.
Speaker 1: That you're at.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What are you going to school for?
Speaker 1: Behavioral neuroscience?
Speaker 2: Behavioral neurosciencience? Okay, what have you learned anything about what
Speaker 2: you should do in this situation from a behavioral neuro
Speaker 2: science perspective?
Speaker 3: I mean, like.
Speaker 1: Hm, honestly, like no, I mean I'm not like super
Speaker 1: psych We're more like biology.
Speaker 2: Do you ever like think of yourself as a rat
Speaker 2: pulling a lever?
Speaker 1: Honestly, yes, a little bit.
Speaker 3: I feel like I keep pulling the lever that is
Speaker 3: the relationship with my dad, and I keep getting the
Speaker 3: same result, so it's like I'm not learning at all.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, damn isn't that the whole point of
Speaker 2: behavior in our sciences? We make rats pull a bunch
Speaker 2: of levers, and then that tells us whether or not
Speaker 2: we're supposed to repair our relationship with our father.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, honestly, that is like the whole point. But
Speaker 1: we do a whole lot of fucked up shit to rats.
Speaker 3: Can't lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you think you think the rats? Ever? Do
Speaker 2: you think any of them feel like they should be
Speaker 2: serving us humans? Do you think any of them are like, like,
Speaker 2: I will gladly give my life to humanity so that
Speaker 2: they can like have a have like this cool perfume
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, like the martyrs.
Speaker 3: Honestly, no, Like I definitely don't think they think that.
Speaker 3: But also I don't think they think that far.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: The stuff that I've like or the studies that I've
Speaker 3: read about like the I just things that we're doing
Speaker 3: with the rats, like to prove whatever they're trying to prove.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just the law.
Speaker 2: Nina, Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go? Oh?
Speaker 1: I guess just like, never give up on yourself.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, Thank you Nina?
Speaker 1: All right, No, go have a good day.
Speaker 2: That was Nina. Mm hmm, yeah, man, that stuff's a bummer.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just another one of those situations
Speaker 2: where like you can't force another person to like exist
Speaker 2: in a different way, although sometimes you get lucky and
Speaker 2: you put yourself out there in some way, shape or
Speaker 2: form and people are receptive to it. I feel like
Speaker 2: I've seen people change, but they have to kind of
Speaker 2: wanta hello, Hello, Hi, what's up?
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, no way, nothing, what's up with you?
Speaker 2: What's up with me? I'm in a room. It's kind
Speaker 2: of dirty, it's a little depressing looking. Uh, it's dark,
Speaker 2: there's clouds. I'm looking at a Gatorade zero bottle. It's
Speaker 2: half full. It's kind of beckoning me to drink it.
Speaker 2: But it's a little too far away for me to
Speaker 2: feel like getting up to go get it, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna stay here. What's your name?
Speaker 7: My name is Maddix.
Speaker 2: Did you say that already?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: I don't think So what are you doing, Maddis?
Speaker 7: I am sitting here with my boyfriend and just watching
Speaker 7: him play a game and calling you. And I can
Speaker 7: see why people say they get nervous, because this is
Speaker 7: make me nervous.
Speaker 2: Now, what game is your boyfriend playing?
Speaker 1: What are you playing? Rivals?
Speaker 2: Marvel Rivals, Marvel Rivals. I've heard of Marvel Rivals. This
Speaker 2: is not a psyop ad for Marvel Rivals. It's like
Speaker 2: one of the most advertised fucking games. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm seeing is it like, uh? Does it have all
Speaker 2: the like uh Marvel characters in it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Can you play as like Spider Man and shit?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes you can.
Speaker 7: I don't know much about it and this is not
Speaker 7: sponsored by them, So.
Speaker 2: Can you do me? Can you look at the screen
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm doing that.
Speaker 2: And what do you use? What character do you see?
Speaker 7: She's got a great bod of really big booty, but
Speaker 7: he will have to tell you no.
Speaker 2: Invisible woman, Invisible woman, No way, is that fucking real?
Speaker 2: That's wait, the Invisible woman is hold on Visible Woman?
Speaker 2: Is she one of the Fantastic Four? Okay, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: in the Fantastic Store. I was wondering, I was, so,
Speaker 2: are you playing as her or you're just looking at her?
Speaker 8: I know I am playing as her, but my my
Speaker 8: girlfriend's just watching me because she really wants to talk
Speaker 8: about something else. This is just a distraction for her.
Speaker 2: She really wants to talk about something else. Okay, you
Speaker 2: can give the phone back to her.
Speaker 1: Oh say, okay, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you really want to talk about something besides
Speaker 2: Marvel rivals.
Speaker 7: Preferably Yes, yes, I do want your your advice.
Speaker 2: Oh please, yeah, please please?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 7: Do you have any context from my text or is
Speaker 7: that not a thing?
Speaker 2: No, that's not a thing. I have no context at all.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 7: Well, my mother is she has a severe spending addiction
Speaker 7: that is sabotaging my dad and I his relationship. And
Speaker 7: she's also been having a year's long affair and I'm
Speaker 7: the only one that knows about it, and I don't
Speaker 7: know how to tell my dad.
Speaker 2: M Okay, So what's the deal with her spending addiction?
Speaker 7: She just will not quit buying things. I'm an only child,
Speaker 7: just me and my parents. They live in a desperate context.
Speaker 7: They live in a five bedroom house, and three of
Speaker 7: the five bedroom sort of filled with things that she buys.
Speaker 7: And it's just gotten to the point where she's filled
Speaker 7: up the entire house, and my dad and I don't
Speaker 7: really know what to do with all of the ship
Speaker 7: she keeps buying.
Speaker 2: So she's a hoarder, yes, like a clean hoarder.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay. And but she likes very very she likes very okay.
Speaker 2: She buys a lot of expensive fancy luxury ship.
Speaker 7: A yes, I mean not like Louis Vauton or anything,
Speaker 7: but very like three hundred dollars jeans ship like that.
Speaker 2: Okay? Do you? And so you live in this house?
Speaker 2: It's you, your dad and your mom.
Speaker 7: No. So I moved out when I was nineteen because
Speaker 7: I just couldn't take it anymore. They've bought my whole
Speaker 7: childhood and it just was a toxic environment.
Speaker 5: So I got out of there.
Speaker 7: But I quit my job not long too long ago,
Speaker 7: and I'm going to be traveling for work soon at
Speaker 7: a new job, so I might have to live with
Speaker 7: them and move back in with them when I'm in
Speaker 7: between traveling.
Speaker 2: And how did you find out that your mom was
Speaker 2: having an affair?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 7: I found out because when I was sixteen, she.
Speaker 5: Asked me to check.
Speaker 7: Something on her phone, and when I did, I saw
Speaker 7: a text from a former coworker of hers, and it
Speaker 7: was something about meeting up. And I clipped on it
Speaker 7: and saw hundreds of messages that they had met up
Speaker 7: and slept together, and yeah, all this stuff because he
Speaker 7: lives an hour away, but they found meeting spots and
Speaker 7: kind of just found all this out.
Speaker 2: That was when you were sixteen. Yeah, so you've known
Speaker 2: about this for how long?
Speaker 7: I'm twenty two now, wow.
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of factors that go into that.
Speaker 7: So shortly after I found out when I was sixteen,
Speaker 7: I had an eating disorder and was admitted into treatment
Speaker 7: for four months, and then right after that, COVID happened,
Speaker 7: and then my dad suffered a massive heart attack and
Speaker 7: was in the hospital and had to get a pacemaker
Speaker 7: put in. His dad almost died, and then my mom's
Speaker 7: dad did die, all in the span of this time.
Speaker 7: So I never would have thought that she was still
Speaker 7: having an affair. But when I was twenty, I saw
Speaker 7: another message when she had me check something on her phone.
Speaker 7: It had popped up, and I saw that this had
Speaker 7: still been going on, even through all of the ship
Speaker 7: my family had been through together, and I thought we
Speaker 7: had gotten stronger through all that, but clearly she was
Speaker 7: still finding time to cheat.
Speaker 2: So and all with the same guy.
Speaker 7: Yes, and he's the CEO of a company, married with
Speaker 7: children my age.
Speaker 1: They were family friends his mom.
Speaker 2: Wait guy it wait, wait, wait this hold on. This
Speaker 2: guy is your You said you're twenty two. This guy
Speaker 2: is this guy's twenty two?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, he worked with my mom. He's
Speaker 7: my mom's age, so in his fifties, but his kids
Speaker 7: are my age.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Okay that freaked me out for a second.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is gonna be way crazier of
Speaker 2: a story that I anticipated.
Speaker 7: Okay, go ahead, No, it's already crazy enough.
Speaker 5: But oh so his mom, the guy that she is
Speaker 5: sleeping with.
Speaker 7: His mom was actually my grandpa's secretary for like thirty
Speaker 7: years as well, So there's like a lot of lore there.
Speaker 7: So like our families really know each other well. So
Speaker 7: that makes it even more uncomfortable. We don't like hang
Speaker 7: out with them or anything. But I mean, I guess
Speaker 7: my mom does, but not my dad and I m.
Speaker 2: Hm okay, so are you what are you are you
Speaker 2: thinking about like revealing this or because it's been six years,
Speaker 2: are you like have you kind of learned to just
Speaker 2: live with it? Like what's your vibe?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 7: No, it's it's something that eats away.
Speaker 1: I mean every day.
Speaker 7: I mean I can't it's so hard to look at
Speaker 7: my mom.
Speaker 5: It's hard to look at my dad. But they have.
Speaker 7: Never had a good marriage.
Speaker 1: They have fought my whole childhood.
Speaker 7: They my mom told me, not like maybe a couple
Speaker 7: of years ago, that they hadn't had sex in like
Speaker 7: fifteen years. Like they're just they've never been affectionate, so
Speaker 7: it's not a good marriage. My dad is kind of
Speaker 7: still with my mom because she He doesn't want her
Speaker 7: to take like all his retirement and all his money
Speaker 7: if they get a divorce now, like everything he's worked for.
Speaker 7: It's kind of what he told me. My mom's bipolar,
Speaker 7: so that's also a factor. She's threatened to severely harm
Speaker 7: and kill my dad and I before she's gone too
Speaker 7: had psychotic breaks, so he also is worried about her
Speaker 7: and what a divorce would do.
Speaker 1: To her mental state as well. So there's just a
Speaker 1: lot there.
Speaker 5: Bro, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no no, this you have nothing to be
Speaker 2: sorry for.
Speaker 4: It all.
Speaker 2: The follow up to me saying Bro, is so you're
Speaker 2: twenty two, what's going on with you? Because at a
Speaker 2: certain point, right at a certain point, I believe that
Speaker 2: you know at the age two, if you so desire
Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, my family is a
Speaker 2: little fucking crazy. And I think my responsibility as a
Speaker 2: young adult is for me to now focus on developing
Speaker 2: my own life, whatever that looks like for me, and
Speaker 2: not being so deeply engulfed in my family's drama. Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I know that's a really
Speaker 2: hard thing to do, but I feel like that's at
Speaker 2: a certain point where your brain's got to be at,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So where are you in
Speaker 2: that context?
Speaker 5: No, definitely. And I think depending on what is going on,
Speaker 5: like how I'm.
Speaker 7: Doing mentally, I guess like kind of dictates how involved
Speaker 7: I get into it.
Speaker 1: Cauld.
Speaker 7: I think if I'm I don't know, if I'm am
Speaker 7: being true to like shit at work and I'm like depressed,
Speaker 7: then I think I'm more I like, go into it more,
Speaker 7: if that makes sense, Like I I don't know, I
Speaker 7: don't know. It's almost like maybe I don't know. I
Speaker 7: think about my fucked up family to not think about
Speaker 7: to face my problems that are actually happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. That makes every sense.
Speaker 5: And I think it's easy to be like, oh, my
Speaker 5: family's sucked up and all this shit's going on, so.
Speaker 1: Let me deal with that.
Speaker 7: But it's like I am realizing now, like how many
Speaker 7: years am I gonna deal with this bullshit?
Speaker 1: And like worry about this bullshit?
Speaker 7: Like this worrying is doing nothing for me, and so
Speaker 7: I'm it's hard, like you said, but I'm trying to
Speaker 7: distance myself from that. But it's just hard when I'm
Speaker 7: an only child too, and I feel like I need
Speaker 7: to take care of my parents and be there for them.
Speaker 9: So that's part yeah, yeah, because it because right, because
Speaker 9: if you had a brother or sister and they were
Speaker 9: checked out, you might be able to look at them
Speaker 9: and go all right, well they're checked out.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go ahead and check out too.
Speaker 2: Or if you had a brother, so that was like,
Speaker 2: you know, dealing with it, you'd be like, oh, it
Speaker 2: might break, could bring you either way. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: understand why as an only child, do you feel this
Speaker 2: like responsibility of some kind to still be involved.
Speaker 7: M hmm.
Speaker 2: But I mean you have a boyfriend who's playing Marvel Rivals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a job mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And you you rent an apartment. You don't live with
Speaker 2: your parents.
Speaker 7: Right, right, yes, I do have an apartment, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So you've got your own life going on. Yes,
Speaker 2: you've got your own gardens to water.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So I love so I love that. So that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 7: I guess where where do I start with that? Because
Speaker 7: I feel like I've lived in such this like trauma.
Speaker 1: Written state, or like just a state of.
Speaker 7: High anxiety and how can I fix things? And walking
Speaker 7: on eggshells and that I just don't even know how
Speaker 7: to go about prioritizing myself, I guess, And I feel
Speaker 7: so stealfish for that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well.
Speaker 2: For what I mean. You look, you're already doing it
Speaker 2: right like you have Uh. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: in America, if you can, I really do. I feel
Speaker 2: like in America we have a thing where it's like, listen,
Speaker 2: if you can pay your bills and you are in
Speaker 2: a relationship that makes you happy, that's uh. Not every
Speaker 2: relationship has some form of problem, right, But if you're
Speaker 2: in a relationship that you know one could look at
Speaker 2: and judge it to be healthy, and your bills are
Speaker 2: paid and you feel moderately happy, You're not on drugs,
Speaker 2: you're not killing anyone you're you're like pretty crazy successful
Speaker 2: if you can accomplish those basic things as an independent adult,
Speaker 2: and you're you're managing to accomplish them, so you know,
Speaker 2: a plus already on that, So you're already you're already
Speaker 2: doing it. So I think this like hieing anxiety thing
Speaker 2: is like, well, well, I don't know, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't really know what other aspects of your life you're
Speaker 2: hoping to develop and endeavor for or just maintain and
Speaker 2: and uh enjoy. If those are the two real things
Speaker 2: we can do in life, is either continue to develop
Speaker 2: it or or or enjoy it for whatever it is.
Speaker 2: That's your task is just being in your own life.
Speaker 2: How do you go about doing it? I mean, you're already,
Speaker 2: I don't you're already doing it, so like a limit
Speaker 2: the amount of time you spend indulging in your family's
Speaker 2: drama and uh, you know, indulge in your own drama.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure tell your boyfriend he's playing too
Speaker 2: much more rivals, he's gotta you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: I like that, And okay that thank you.
Speaker 7: That was amazing and I needed to hear that. This
Speaker 7: leads me into another question. I just got this new
Speaker 7: travel job. And do you have any tips on being
Speaker 7: on the road being away from one place your home?
Speaker 2: I guess since you travel, have you done much travel?
Speaker 7: I have, just not for work and not for like
Speaker 7: weeks at a time or a month at a time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Where are you going?
Speaker 1: Wherever?
Speaker 5: They send me?
Speaker 7: Any anywhere, but probably I'm in Kansas and so probably
Speaker 7: around the the very area.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 2: Okay, are they sending you to the land of Oz?
Speaker 2: That was like a dad joke? That wasn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Uh? Oh?
Speaker 2: Wait? Do I have any tips for traveling around Missouri?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, Just in general, like, do you bring
Speaker 7: anything for comfort from home or any I don't know
Speaker 7: any kind of beginner travel for work tips.
Speaker 2: Why bring a tooth bring a toothbrush?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Almonds? Bring bring almonds to not eat and to buy
Speaker 2: skittles at the gas station instead and eat those that
Speaker 2: have omens to look at you're going, by the way. Well, truthfully,
Speaker 2: if you live in Kansas, Kans in Missouri are kind
Speaker 2: of the exact same place. There's no true difference between
Speaker 2: those two places. There's a version, there's you know, your
Speaker 2: exact life and the exact life of all of your
Speaker 2: friends and family. Also, someone has the exact same life
Speaker 2: in Missouri. There's a McDonald's in your hometown of Missouri.
Speaker 2: That is also there's another McDonald's there. It's the same.
Speaker 2: It's all the same. Kansas and Missouri are pretty much
Speaker 2: the same exact place, and someone who lives there might
Speaker 2: get upset with me about that, but I don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're I mean, I mean, listen, I'll take it further.
Speaker 2: I think everywhere is also. I think everywhere is kind
Speaker 2: of the same. That's what you learn traveling, is that
Speaker 2: everywhere is exactly the same. You know. I think Missouri
Speaker 2: and its Becca, Stan and Beijing and Australia are all
Speaker 2: the same place. I'm sorry this is a horrible answer
Speaker 2: to your question, but.
Speaker 7: No, I think my question was just horrible.
Speaker 2: So that's it was not a horrible question. It was
Speaker 2: it was a nice question. I should have a better
Speaker 2: answer to that. Yeah, just I don't have fun going
Speaker 2: a walk. That's my actual answers. Wherever, if you I'm
Speaker 2: that serious, If you okay, that's my actual answer. If
Speaker 2: you get stuck in some like shit assu laquenta in
Speaker 2: on the side of the road, in Missouri. Just go
Speaker 2: on a walk and look at stuff and just be like,
Speaker 2: this stuff is different from the stuff that is directly
Speaker 2: around me most of the time. So just walk around
Speaker 2: and look at stuff. That's my best travel advice.
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2: Is there anything you want to say to the people
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go? Maddx?
Speaker 7: Oh God, just be kind to one another. You never
Speaker 7: know what someone's going through. Don't comment on other people's bodies.
Speaker 7: It's really none of your business. And everyone, have a
Speaker 7: great night and love you all.
Speaker 2: Love you guys, Thank you, maddox, have a good rest
Speaker 2: of the night.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: Okay, Marvel Rivals. It's not an ad, but I'm it
Speaker 2: seems like something i'd like. I mean, I like video
Speaker 2: games a lot. Uh. Okay, it's a PvP shooter. Is
Speaker 2: it on the switch? Okay, it's not on the switch,
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna play it. It's free to play.
Speaker 2: I don't love if I fuck with those free to
Speaker 2: play games. Who do you play? Who are the characters
Speaker 2: in it? Playable characters? Penny Parker? Who the fuck?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: All right? You can play as thor that's cool, you guys.
Speaker 2: Remember Marvel versus capcom No, all right, hello, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 2: what is your name?
Speaker 1: I'm Lindsay. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too, Lindsay. How's life, Lindsey? What's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: Life is really weird right now. I am living in
Speaker 1: a new town and I don't know anyone. So I've
Speaker 1: been spending a lot of time at like this coffee
Speaker 1: shop that's open for twenty four hours every day. I
Speaker 1: am there almost as much as an employee. I would
Speaker 1: think it's kind of sad.
Speaker 2: Hmm. It's opened twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: It's opened twenty four to seven and never closes.
Speaker 2: Are you in and what hours are you typically in there?
Speaker 1: It really ranges like sometimes I'm in there from like
Speaker 1: one PM to like.
Speaker 7: Five.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm in there like in the night. The weird
Speaker 1: stuff always happens there in the night. I don't know,
Speaker 1: so I try to go like more in the evening time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you said weird stuff happens at night. I really
Speaker 2: want to know if you've been in there at like
Speaker 2: three am, and if you have what.
Speaker 1: Is the vibe? I have only one and I'm never
Speaker 1: going back in there because I got chased by a
Speaker 1: man that was in there, and then I didn't have
Speaker 1: any pepper spray, but I bought pepper spray immediately afterwards.
Speaker 2: WHOA you got chased? Was there any context or like
Speaker 2: this dude just starts chasing It was I mean.
Speaker 1: He was like in there and he was kind of
Speaker 1: acting weird and like looking at me a lot, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can tell that, like there's something
Speaker 1: wrong with you. And he kept on trying to give
Speaker 1: me stuff while we were in there. It was just
Speaker 1: us too in this coffee shop. Nobody else was in
Speaker 1: there beside the barista, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: really know what she's supposed to do about this, So
Speaker 1: I just kind of was like, Okay, I think I
Speaker 1: need to get out of here. M So I went
Speaker 1: to go leave and he followed me outside and I
Speaker 1: started to run, and then he started to run, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what the fuck? And
Speaker 1: I like, I did like the horror movie fumble with
Speaker 1: the keys in my car, and I almost I almost
Speaker 1: had to run him over to get away.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that was just strange. But the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing that I've seen in the carffee shop has been
Speaker 1: this past week or so I've seen the same person
Speaker 1: three times and they keep on peeing in the coffee
Speaker 1: shop chairs.
Speaker 2: They get peeing in the coffee shop chairs, yes, like
Speaker 2: like you're seeing them do it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure that it's pee.
Speaker 3: Fuck it's.
Speaker 2: What are you like going over there and sniff at it, Like,
Speaker 2: how do you know that it's p.
Speaker 1: Well, this happened three times now, three times a few
Speaker 1: A few days ago, I was in there, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like this person. I mean, I'm twenty. They
Speaker 1: look like they're probably around my age, like college age,
Speaker 1: and they always bring in this giant gaming computer like
Speaker 1: it's just like a very heavy duty, Like I don't
Speaker 1: really know that much about computers, but it's it's like
Speaker 1: pretty big. I wouldn't really expect that you would like
Speaker 1: take it out of your house, but they just go
Speaker 1: in there and set on. They're in there for hours,
Speaker 1: just like on the game, and they like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess they just sit there for so long. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they have like a week bladder or something.
Speaker 1: But I am I suspect that they are peeing. I
Speaker 1: don't have any I guess, real proof, but they Reek
Speaker 1: of Peace Reek and the chair is always wet when
Speaker 1: they get out.
Speaker 2: So why do you like this coffee shop? I've only
Speaker 2: heard horrible things so far.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 1: All of my friends ask you that same exact question.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's just like a really it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's really cool in there.
Speaker 4: Like it's a cool place.
Speaker 1: It's usually pretty busy, and like it's pretty cheap, and
Speaker 1: I'm in college, I don't really have that much money.
Speaker 1: It's open late, so I can go to homework whenever
Speaker 1: I want. I don't have to worry about leaving at
Speaker 1: any specific time. I mean, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: things that are good about it, but also it is
Speaker 1: prime people watching. It's peak people watching in there because
Speaker 1: there are so many characters that come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you've got a way how much you
Speaker 2: like people watching with the fact that it sounds like
Speaker 2: people are also watching you.
Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. I feel like now
Speaker 1: I have protection. I have like I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: really know how much pepper spray would do to a person.
Speaker 2: But so have you made any friends there? You had?
Speaker 2: You seem like you kind of mentioned a little bit
Speaker 2: that you were you were lonely, that you just moved
Speaker 2: to this new place. Have you kind of found what
Speaker 2: you've been looking for at this coffee shop in terms
Speaker 2: of making new connections, I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't really like I usually just kind of go
Speaker 1: to do homework, but I've met a couple of people.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's pretty busy and there aren't really enough seats
Speaker 1: for like everyone to sit down when it gets pretty busy,
Speaker 1: so sometimes people will come sit with me kind of
Speaker 1: like talk to me. That's pretty nice. But honestly, the
Speaker 1: person that I feel like I've bonded with the most
Speaker 1: in the coffee shop is one of the Bearistas. I
Speaker 1: just like, I just got her phone number the other day.
Speaker 1: She's pretty cool, but I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: ever actually ask her to hang out, just because I
Speaker 1: don't even know like what to do and like the
Speaker 1: area that I'm in, But I mean, I don't really
Speaker 1: go there.
Speaker 2: You said you don't really go to that make friends.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kind of I'm just gonna try to
Speaker 1: learn how to be by myself.
Speaker 2: M Okay, why did you move to this new place?
Speaker 1: Well, I I go here for college. This it's my
Speaker 1: second year of college, and last year what I was
Speaker 1: doing wasn't really like working for me. So I transferred
Speaker 1: to like a new city, which is really only an
Speaker 1: hour away from where I was at college before, and
Speaker 1: I made a lot of good friends over there, So honestly,
Speaker 1: on the weekends, I just kind of drive over to
Speaker 1: where I used to go to college and hang out
Speaker 1: with my friends from there.
Speaker 2: Mm okay, So are you trying to make a nice
Speaker 2: place for you to be in the place that you're
Speaker 2: at so that you don't have to, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of always go home for the weekend.
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean I'm kind of thinking about I
Speaker 1: feel like this would make my life so much harder,
Speaker 1: like school wise, I'm thinking about just moving back to
Speaker 1: where I went to college last year and just commuting
Speaker 1: to school like an hour every day. I mean the
Speaker 1: bus ride that I take now, it only takes I
Speaker 1: mean it takes an hour because like it does like
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stops and it goes a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of places. So there's a different bus that goes
Speaker 1: between the two cities that also takes an hour, And
Speaker 1: I feel like I would much rather do that and
Speaker 1: go live with my friends from like where I used
Speaker 1: to live than continue to live here. I don't really
Speaker 1: have that much time left in the school year, so
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of too late for me
Speaker 1: to try to find trust.
Speaker 2: What are you studying.
Speaker 1: I am a product design major and I go to
Speaker 1: an art school. It's a very small, very small art school.
Speaker 2: So you feel like you don't have enough time left
Speaker 2: in school to even make friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least not this year. Like, no one that
Speaker 1: I would let consider living with. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to like live by myself, but I live with these
Speaker 1: roommates right now that are so bad. I can't deal
Speaker 1: with them anymore. Why this way to be up? They
Speaker 1: just like I know that this doesn't seem like that
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but they are really just so
Speaker 1: messy and I can't take it, especially in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm mothering. And they are also both
Speaker 1: like a decade older than me.
Speaker 2: What's the name of this coffee shop? I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: can't really get it out of my head. It seems
Speaker 2: like a fascinating place. I really want to go there.
Speaker 1: It's called the Bitter End Coffee Shop in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on the Bitter Ends. Oh shit, Okay'm gonna okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to check this place out when I
Speaker 2: go to Grand Rapids this year.
Speaker 4: Lease do.
Speaker 2: Grand Rapids, Okay.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of it's I've never ever in my
Speaker 2: life seen I'm looking at it on Google right now.
Speaker 2: I've never in my life seen a twenty four hour
Speaker 2: coffee shop.
Speaker 1: I know me either. That's why I was so excited.
Speaker 1: That's why I go there so much. It really is
Speaker 1: cool in there. There's just there's just a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff happening a lot.
Speaker 2: It's housed in an old bank building.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool in there. The interior is like really
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. They have a lot of like artwork out
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: You really want to go to this place.
Speaker 1: This looks Yeah, some of the are regular. They are
Speaker 1: this group of like seven or eight, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know where they're from, but they are like I think
Speaker 1: that they speak Arabic. I don't really know how to
Speaker 1: distinguish a lot of different languages. I'm not very knowledgeable
Speaker 1: with languages. But they go in there and play cards
Speaker 1: for hours every day. And on the wall there is
Speaker 1: a painting of them playing cards.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. Okay, I'm on our slash. I'm on
Speaker 2: our slash coffee Shops and somebody posted the Bitter and
Speaker 2: Coffee House and the top comment is I am a
Speaker 2: Grand Rapids native and I have been here many times.
Speaker 2: Do not recommend many, many, many things wrong with this place.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I feel like that's telling about me,
Speaker 2: is that you you were like, uh, yeah, I went
Speaker 2: into this place that I got chased by a stranger
Speaker 2: to my car and almost died. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it sounds cool, let's go.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I love I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: that happened to me, and I told my sister about it,
Speaker 1: and then I went back the next day to do homework.
Speaker 1: It was like twelve hours later, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're already back in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, have you seen that fucking guy before?
Speaker 1: No, I have not seen him. I like told I mean,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like in shock about what was
Speaker 1: happening while it happened, and then like I didn't really
Speaker 1: know what to do about it, and I was like shit,
Speaker 1: like I don't want this guy to chase anybody else
Speaker 1: out of here like that. That was scary as fuck.
Speaker 1: That's the first time anything like that's ever happened to me,
Speaker 1: And like, I guess I'm from like a smaller like
Speaker 1: town that has like less strange people, I guess, but
Speaker 1: like I don't know. Anyways, I went back the next
Speaker 1: day and I told the girl that was working in there, like,
Speaker 1: hey had a weird like experience last night. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have like any cameras or anything
Speaker 1: that you could maybe look at, like you could like
Speaker 1: see this guy like he keeps on coming up to
Speaker 1: me and stuff, and maybe you could, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you recognize them if he ever comes in
Speaker 1: here again, maybe just like down the leaf mm hmm.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely looks sick crazy are there? I don't even
Speaker 2: know if I've never heard of any like twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven coffee houses in the on in the world.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is the first one I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Hit me. Hit me in the comments, folks, if you
Speaker 2: know any, I want to I want to check them
Speaker 2: all out because I like a good twenty four hour place.
Speaker 2: I like being being in a place the late. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: what'd you say?
Speaker 1: COVID killed the twenty four hour established.
Speaker 2: COVID killed the twenty four hour establishment. It's so lame.
Speaker 2: I hate fucking New York like advertise itself as a
Speaker 2: place that you can get anything and do anything all
Speaker 2: the time, but it's totally totally not that. At least
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn it is. I mean, there's some areas where
Speaker 2: it is, but the whole city. I wish there were
Speaker 2: more like twenty four hour e cities like that. But
Speaker 2: you know, it starts, it starts. It starts with the
Speaker 2: with having a weird coffee house so good. Yeah, good
Speaker 2: looks to Grand Rapids.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sad about the fact that, like
Speaker 1: when COVID first happened, I was in I was just
Speaker 1: starting high school and like just kind of like starting
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more like independent where I
Speaker 1: could like go places by myself, and all I wanted
Speaker 1: was to go to like do you know what Meyer is?
Speaker 2: Meyer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's kind of like Walmart, but it's
Speaker 1: like justin Michigan and Ohio, but it's very popular here.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 1: But Meyer, it's kind of it's kind of just like Walmart.
Speaker 1: It's like any like supermarket really, but like they used
Speaker 1: to be twenty four hours before COVID happened, and all
Speaker 1: I wanted was to go just like walk around into
Speaker 1: Meyer at like four or five in the morning. That's
Speaker 1: all I wanted. And now I can't do it because
Speaker 1: none of them are twenty four hours anymore.
Speaker 8: Nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not around here, you know. I when I first
Speaker 2: got my driver's license, I really wanted to just go
Speaker 2: to Target and play the uh the Xbox demo kiosk.
Speaker 2: And they don't. They don't do them anymore. They don't
Speaker 2: really do the demo kiosks anymore.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never I've never even touched an Xbox
Speaker 1: like in my life, so I really don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything.
Speaker 2: Like that, Lindsay, Yes, is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: If you think that somebody might chase you, run run run.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling Lindsay.
Speaker 1: Hekrod Pepper spray too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Geko for answering my uh my plea,
Speaker 1: my text.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lindsey. I hope that you continue to have
Speaker 2: enjoyable experiences at this coffee shop where you not get
Speaker 2: chased by people.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think it'll happen. I hope you have
Speaker 1: a good night too.
Speaker 2: Bye, Lindsey, Bye the Bitter End Coffee Shop. Okay, when
Speaker 2: am I in Grand Rapids. I'm in Grand Rapids on
Speaker 2: the twelfth of September. Tickets at theapy Gecko tour dot
Speaker 2: com for Grand Rapids and many other shows. Okay, when
Speaker 2: I'm there, I will definitely be going to this. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: What's your name? My name is Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. Be good?
Speaker 2: What's going on? Johnny?
Speaker 4: Oh? No, them just chilling the night before day off,
Speaker 4: you know, the.
Speaker 2: Night before a day off, yep, day off of.
Speaker 4: What from work?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 4: I work in a pharmaceutical warehouse.
Speaker 2: You ever take some of the pills just for fun,
Speaker 2: see what they are?
Speaker 4: No, because I know what they are and I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily need them. I have thought about, like nasal spray
Speaker 4: for my allergies.
Speaker 2: Though, what kind of pills are they? Heart medication?
Speaker 4: We carry everything?
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, nothing, you're not You're not like, let me
Speaker 2: scoop a little bit of the penis stuff. Let me
Speaker 2: take some allergy medication, let me take two allergy medications.
Speaker 2: Just get a little uh good little loose for the shift.
Speaker 4: No, that's what the after hours are for.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: It pays, it pays well if I can't really like
Speaker 4: to lose it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mmmm. What's your life like outside of the
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical warehouse?
Speaker 4: I honestly pretty good. Got a girlfriend going on with
Speaker 4: a little over two years, and we go in trouble
Speaker 4: the world. I mean, I can't complain.
Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you guys been going? What
Speaker 2: you've been doing?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I've gone to Italy on my own, ah, I mean recently.
Speaker 4: You know, it's still two years or so. Kind of
Speaker 4: you for me, I guess. But we've gone Mexico City
Speaker 4: trying to do coaster regulators this year and see how
Speaker 4: that goes. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mexico City is awesome. Wait where in Italy did
Speaker 2: you go alone?
Speaker 4: I went to Roman Florence cool man.
Speaker 2: I studied abroad in Italy a long time. Rome, Parlo
Speaker 2: unpo Italiano. I ate a lot of pizza, I got,
Speaker 2: I got fat. Uh. I looked at the fountain. I
Speaker 2: freaked out a little bit. I I I remember. I Actually,
Speaker 2: you know what's funny, I had my own like I
Speaker 2: went a little crazy when I was in Rome and
Speaker 2: I had, like I was listening to the Misfits on
Speaker 2: my phone and I had like a little joker stares
Speaker 2: moment on the Spanish steps, just like rocking out to
Speaker 2: punk music. You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 4: Isn't that what it's all about?
Speaker 2: So what it's all about is uh disturbing the locals?
Speaker 4: How did you? How did you feel about only having
Speaker 4: Italian blue dog that time?
Speaker 2: How did I feel about? I like Italian food, like preshudo,
Speaker 2: I like the bakeries. I there was there's a moment
Speaker 2: that I remember vividly from my time there, which was
Speaker 2: I was eating with a couple, like other kids in
Speaker 2: the program, outside of this pizza shop, and this like
Speaker 2: this girl a little older than us. She was kind
Speaker 2: of a tall and lanky and nerdy looking, and she
Speaker 2: she just sat at our table and she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm here alone and I don't have anyone to eat with,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna eat with you guys. What are your names?
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, WHOA, that's awesome
Speaker 2: anytime someone anytime something like that happens. The people I
Speaker 2: was with were a little taken aback, but anytime anytime
Speaker 2: I see it It's a very real, recognized, real type
Speaker 2: of thing. I'm like, that was a bold move I'm
Speaker 2: inspired by. I'm gonna reward it. And so I started
Speaker 2: being like, my name is Lyle, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: What's going on? You know, start trying to I start
Speaker 2: really I like when I see when I see someone
Speaker 2: reach out like that, like you know, you're kind of
Speaker 2: putting yourself out there when you do shit like that.
Speaker 2: I always want to try to reward it. I always
Speaker 2: want to be like, I'm gonna I want you to
Speaker 2: feel like you made the right decision coming over here.
Speaker 2: So we you know, we talked or whatever, and I
Speaker 2: don't remember anything about it de late. I just I
Speaker 2: only remember her doing that, and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: you could just do that shit. It really stands out.
Speaker 2: I feel like in Europe they have a yere. Maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like the mindset that
Speaker 2: I was in at the time. I was like twenty
Speaker 2: one and I was really I mean, my whole career
Speaker 2: is predicated on like talking to strangers and stuff. But
Speaker 2: I was really obsessed at that time with like how
Speaker 2: I could just do it naturally just in my personal life,
Speaker 2: Like I was obsessed with like weird connections I can
Speaker 2: make with folks on the train or the bus or whatever,
Speaker 2: and like, I really I really appreciated. I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is like a weird spontaneity I had in
Speaker 2: my brain about like, well, you know, whatever kind of
Speaker 2: moments you could make with people that you wouldn't necessarily expect,
Speaker 2: And so I was inspired by that lady. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was like the mindset I had
Speaker 2: at the time, or if it's like Europe in general,
Speaker 2: but like you know, there's certain places in the world
Speaker 2: people just talk to each other just to talk to
Speaker 2: each other, and I feel like Italy, Yeah, Italy and
Speaker 2: Europe are one of those places. Fucking in Iraq, I
Speaker 2: noticed a lot people would come up and like talk
Speaker 2: to me or talk to my friend who was showing
Speaker 2: us around there, just just because they would. I would like,
Speaker 2: I would think, I was like, is this person trying
Speaker 2: to ask you for money or whatever? They would just be
Speaker 2: talking like just because in like a place like New
Speaker 2: York or LA everyone only talks to each other. If
Speaker 2: someone starts talking to you randomly, it is because they
Speaker 2: want to ask you for something. But there are a
Speaker 2: lot of or like in fucking Japan, you know people
Speaker 2: and people never talk to you at all, but like
Speaker 2: there's certain places I feel like, eure, it's one of
Speaker 2: our people just randomly talk to each other for no reason.
Speaker 2: It's kind of nice.
Speaker 4: I've kind of felt that in New York. I go
Speaker 4: to New York, I would say semi often, and I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm near the Bay Area in California, and
Speaker 4: I feel like what you're saying about people not talking
Speaker 4: kind of happens in New York. I've met more people
Speaker 4: out there than I have here at home, which I
Speaker 4: really enjoy. New York City's probably one of my favorite places.
Speaker 2: And where do you live now?
Speaker 4: You're in the Bay Area in California, San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very exciting. You know, what I'm realizing is that
Speaker 2: I just went on a whole rant to you about whatever,
Speaker 2: and I never asked you if there was a particular
Speaker 2: reason why you called me today, and so I would
Speaker 2: like to take this time to do that.
Speaker 4: A particular reason. Not really, but I mean I can
Speaker 4: go on about what you were talking about and just
Speaker 4: how you can respect someone that can kind of just
Speaker 4: put themselves out there like that, Like I respect it
Speaker 4: because in the same position that you were, I mean
Speaker 4: I would welcome them as well. I wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to do that myself. I'm more of a go on
Speaker 4: my own kind of person. Yeah, I guess I can say.
Speaker 4: And I think I had my revelation about that maybe
Speaker 4: a few years ago. I had like one of my
Speaker 4: close friends pass away and he was younger than I was,
Speaker 4: and kind of put into light like why wait for
Speaker 4: something I want to do? Because I used to ask
Speaker 4: my friends if they wanted to go on trips with
Speaker 4: me and everything, but you know, no time, no money,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, whatever excuse. And so that was part
Speaker 4: of the reason I went to Italy, just why wait
Speaker 4: for other people? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, do you have any other you know?
Speaker 2: It's fine. I also try to live my life that way.
Speaker 2: I also very much try to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: anything you could possibly can see of wanting to do
Speaker 2: with yourself, like, don't wait to do it?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Part of me wonders if that applies to everything, or
Speaker 2: like what it might not apply to or whatever, But like,
Speaker 2: do you have anything that you can think of on
Speaker 2: your list that you're like should I? I don't want to
Speaker 2: wait to do that.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily. I've been pretty good on getting on top
Speaker 4: of what I want to do and doing it when
Speaker 4: I want. The only thing for me is like, I'm
Speaker 4: a big fan of baseball, so one of my things
Speaker 4: is like, try to hit all of the baseball stadiums
Speaker 4: in America, maybe even some international Just yeah, I've knocked
Speaker 4: them down. I like that.
Speaker 2: How many got left?
Speaker 4: Oh? Maybe like twenty? There's thirty, you know there's any
Speaker 4: twenty more? Maybe do you have.
Speaker 2: Plans to do to see anymore in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't been to San Diego yet. So luckily
Speaker 4: the girlfriend has been nice enough to join me along
Speaker 4: with me on those trips, and she enjoys it as well,
Speaker 4: which helps out a lot. She's really good with the
Speaker 4: plow kind of person. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: M What are you gonna do with your day off tomorrow?
Speaker 4: A whole lot of nothing. That's exactly what I like
Speaker 4: to do my days off.
Speaker 2: Johnny, Yes, thank you for calling. Thanks is nice. Thanks
Speaker 2: for letting rant at you. I know that.
Speaker 4: I yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we both got a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff off our chest. This is a nice interaction.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 4: Clean out your room because you don't know if they
Speaker 4: might be infested with moths. I had that recently and
Speaker 4: it was a pain to clean out.
Speaker 2: You're saving a lot of people from moths and the
Speaker 2: people appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I think that's my purpose in this one.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Johnny. I have a good rest of the night.
Speaker 4: You do love it there.
Speaker 7: Repeat can't goes.
Speaker 1: On the line taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: The repeak cant goes to on his eye. He's teaching
Speaker 2: news about your life, but he's not really an expert.