1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Call from Nina. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, what's up. How's it going? 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Hi, it's going pretty good. I did not expect you 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: to pick up. This is crazy. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: What's your name? Nina Mina or Nina? 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Nina like? And I am a N with an N. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes with an N. 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: That's a stupid thing to say, N with an N. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: That was you know how people say like b as 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: in boy. That was the opposite. It was like ooohs 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: and boo. I had no new information on the second line. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: I was just saying about that nonsense, you know what? 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: And that's okay. I feel like people fuck up the 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: phonetic alphabet a lot. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, n Nina. Yes, it's very forgiving of you. 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: What were you going to say? 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how's your day? 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: Knowing how's my day going? Uh, my day's going okay. 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a lot of mental reorganization. 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: H But I think that that is kind of a 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: constant of life. Things keep moving, something ever stays the same. 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: Uh what about you? What's up with you? 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: Me? 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: And what made you want to call the Gecko Show today? 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: Well, I like, I always listen to your podcast, so 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: I just really wanted. 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: To call in and I guess I was like kind 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: of like an. 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: Ongoing issue that I don't really think there's a solution to. 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: I guess interesting. 31 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, sorry, I kind of have to make 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: this a little quick because I am at work. But yeah, 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: so basically I don't really like have a great relationship 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: with my dad, you know, like he just consistently is 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: not really there for me in the ways that I 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: need him to be, like emotionally, Like he's there for 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: me financially, but like that's not all like a person needs, 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: you know. And so basically like we constantly will get 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: him to like fights about this because he doesn't like 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: understand that you know that you can you have to 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: show for someone in multiple ways. And he also like 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: when I try to kind of like curate that relationship 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: and build it, he'll like constantly like use anything that 44 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: I say, like about myself like against me. 45 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: But it's kind of like a. 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: Difference, I'm sorry, or he'll use what you say about 47 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: you against you. What does that mean? 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: So, like, for example, like I had like this ex boyfriend, 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: and like I was telling him kind of about the 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: situation because we had broken up, and I told him 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: that like my ex boyfriend had said that he thought 52 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: I was a bit selfish, and my dad was like, yeah, 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: your ex boyfriend was right, you definitely are selfish, and 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: you like told me that like while we were in 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: an argument. So it's like things that I say, like 56 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: in my life, Like he'll use that against me. 57 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: Who but what's your dad's what's your dad's deal? Like, 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: who is he is the person? What's what's give me? 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Okay? 60 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has a lot going on himself too, 61 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: Like he was adopted and he also like was adopted 62 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: by a family that was like not really great, Like 63 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: my dad's a black man and he was adopted by 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: a white family. 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: And so it's just it wasn't really like a great 66 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: like mix up. Like they they were. 67 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: Like kind of I would say, abusive, I guess. So 68 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: he never really had like a great like upbringing. He 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: ended up like going to like jail for like a 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: year or two, and then he got out and like 71 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: he became a lawyer. So now he's a lawyer, So 72 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: he has like a really like crazy upbringing. 73 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 2: But because I don't are here your mom still together? 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: No, So they were actually like. 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: They only dated for like a little bit, but then 76 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: they had me when my mom was like twenty and 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: he was like twenty thirty or something like that. 78 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: So they were like just dating. They were never married 79 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: or anything like that. 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: Hmm. And so should I go up? Uh huh yeah, yeah, 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead? 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: Okay. So should I go on about like the actual 83 00:04:58,839 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: issue at hand? 84 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 4: Oh? 85 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: Sorry? Sorry, I didn't I thought. Uh I thought you 86 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: did get into the actual issue. Let's hear it. 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 5: No. 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: Sorry, So, like, so he's there for me financially, like 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: I'm in school now and he's able to, like I guess, 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: like pay for that stuff. But like I really hate 91 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: like talking to him and being around him and stuff 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: like that. And if I like try to like not 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: talk to him or listen to him, he like will 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: threaten me like to like stop paying for school or 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: something like that. So like I feel like I'm kind 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: of like really stuck in this situation because like I 97 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: don't really want to talk or interact with him, but 98 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: like I need him to be there for to pay 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: for my school. 100 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: Ooh interesting, okay, yeah, okay, So the dilemma is that 101 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: your dad is not like interacting with you, uh in 102 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: the way that you need him to like be there 103 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: for you, but you also are still reliant upon him 104 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: financially exactly. But also but in addition to that, there 105 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: was also a genuine desire to interact with your dad 106 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: on the level that you desire to, not just purely 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: financial motivation. 108 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it really wasn't. I feel like I just 109 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: tried so many times, and like recently in November, like 110 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: during Thanksgiving time, me and him got into like this 111 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: really big argument and he said like a lot of 112 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: things that were like really hurtful to me. And I 113 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: just feel like I can't be around someone who is 114 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: going to, you know, put me down and isn't going 115 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: to be like contributing to my life in like a 116 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: positive way. 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really tough. And I'm I I Mina. 118 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: Me and or Nina, Nina, and I am I heard 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: an end? 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: I heard an end? Yeah, Nina, first of all, Mina, 121 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: I I'm really uh genuine, I'm very sorry to hear 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: that this is going on with you and your dad, 123 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: because uh no one fucking you know deserves that from 124 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: their parents. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's it's not cool. 125 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: You deserve better. And uh I'm sorry that you got unlucky. 126 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: Uh in this situation because uh, I mean, that's the 127 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: that's a really tough but kind of sad thing, is 128 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: that the onus after you've kind of done your best 129 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: to express these feelings towards him about your relationship, you've 130 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: kind of seemed like you've put everything that you've got 131 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: on the table, and for him, it's like it's it's 132 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: it's such a bummer because you can't force anyone to 133 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: be any way other than they are. All you really 134 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: can do is put yourself on the table. And it's 135 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: a bummer because you see, you're his fucking daughter. He 136 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: should he shouldn't be, you know, telling you that you're 137 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: you know self. He shouldn't be, you know, he should 138 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: really be trying to appeal to you as his daughter. 139 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: So that's that's a shame, and I'm sorry about that. Now. 140 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: As as far as like what do you do, like 141 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: do you keep hanging out with him? Listen, I don't 142 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: think if you wanted to stand on your own principles 143 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: of whatever and say, you know, fuck it, I'm gonna 144 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: just try to figure out some other way to make 145 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: this happen financially, or take out a loan or do 146 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: do it whatever you know, if if that was the 147 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: decision of integrity that you wanted to make, I don't 148 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: think that there would be anything wrong with that. But 149 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: also if you if you swallow your pride and you 150 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: were like, he's my fucking dad. I'm gonna try my 151 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: best on my end to honor this relationship I have 152 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: with him. I'm gonna do one hundred percent of my 153 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: part of trying to be a good daughter, whatever whatever 154 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: that means to you. And if you go to bed 155 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: at night and you go I was the best version 156 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: of the best daughter, whatever that means to you. I 157 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: was the best version of myself in this in this 158 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: relationship I have with my dad, And you know what, 159 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: that's good enough for me to go to sleep at 160 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: night and feel like I tried, and you know, I 161 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: can kind of suck up whatever's coming from him. You know, 162 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think there's anything wrong with 163 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: that either. But I think there's a way to if 164 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: that's the route you want to go, I think there's 165 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: certain ways to do it that kind of still protect 166 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: your peace. That's one of them. Is I feel like 167 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: in a relationship like that, where you approach it as 168 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: best as you can within your ability, and sometimes that 169 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: means just like if there are if he's trying to 170 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: pick a fight or he's doing this, he's trying to 171 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: agitate you, and you just try to take the high 172 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: road every time, and you're like, I'm not gonna escalate 173 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: things with him. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna disengage. 174 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: I've put myself out on the table. I've told him 175 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: what I'm willing to deal with. I'm not gonna do it. 176 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna disengage. I'm not gonna take any bait. I'm 177 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: not gonna you know, I'm just gonna spend the minimum 178 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: amount of time around him as I need and then 179 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: be like, listen, man, I'm trying my best and the 180 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: rest is on you. 181 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 182 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: So I don't know if that was helpful, but that's 183 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: my ponder about it. 184 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 3: That's kind of the conclusion I came to already. But 185 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 3: like it just kind of sucks like a lot, and 186 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: like it also is like really annoying because I think, 187 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: why me and him clash laws because we have very 188 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: similar personalities and we're both pretty prideful people. So like 189 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: swallowing my pride is like a bit hard for me. 190 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 3: But I mean, I've like this kind of in this situation, 191 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: I feel like there's actually no winning, so I've kind 192 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: of like decided I kind of just have to do it. 193 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, hm, no, I feel I feel for you, dude. 194 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: It does suck, like it's it's ha's your relationship with 195 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: your mom? What's her? What's her? 196 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: Actually so good? 197 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: I love my mom so much. Me and her have 198 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: an amazing relationship and we're super close. We talk every day, 199 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: and I feel honestly feel like she's like my best friend, 200 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: Like she gets me, I feel like on every. 201 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Level, So like that's wow. 202 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: A positive thing that I feel like I have out 203 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: of this is like my. 204 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: Mom knows my dad. 205 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: She's been a him for longer than I have, so 206 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 3: she like kinda is able to like give me reassurance 207 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: and like able to help me navigate how to handle 208 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: things with him in the way where I'm still able 209 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: to like get what I need financially, but like not 210 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: be her emotionally. Mm hmm. 211 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: What's your mom's take on this whole thing? 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: She is kind of just like. 213 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: She kind of thinks one, I should kind of just 214 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 3: fake it till I make it and then like because 215 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: I still have to go Like right now, I'm in 216 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: like my third year of school of university and I 217 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: still have to go to like medical school or that's 218 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: my goal. So like I still have like I'm gonna 219 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: have to rely on my parents for a little bit. 220 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 3: So she's like either faked so you make it, or 221 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 3: just kind of don't like you know how he is, 222 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: So it's like, don't let these things affect you. But 223 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: of course that's easier said than done. 224 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: Right right, m how long have they been a part for? 225 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: How long have they been divorced or separate? 226 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: So they were never married, but they've been a part 227 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: for like my whole life, like since I was born. 228 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: They've pretty much been like not together. 229 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 6: M M. 230 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you know, at least one of 231 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: your parental relationships worked out pretty well. 232 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really happy about that too. 233 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah. 234 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: Again, don't streuss stuff out about too. I I I 235 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: feel for you. It's a bummer having a parent that 236 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: is like not supportive of you in that way. But yeah, 237 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: my my my feeling is that like after you put 238 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: yourself out there, the onus is really on him. He's 239 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: got to make a separate call. We'll talk me and 240 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: your dad. 241 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 6: That'd be interesting, No, I've I I wish that would happen, 242 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 6: but I don't know. I feel like even if he 243 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 6: like we me and him have had conversations about it, 244 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 6: and like he's kind of been honest with me, but 245 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 6: I feel like he like weaponizes him in his like 246 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 6: childhood for like to like be the reasoning for why 247 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 6: he can't like build this relationship now. But it's also 248 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 6: like you're forty years old, like get your shit together, 249 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 6: you know, yeah. 250 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Of course, or like forty five no, yeah, yeah, at 251 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: that point you gotta get your fucking shit together. 252 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 253 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: I feel like there's only so long that you can 254 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: really like be in that mindset. And I also feel 255 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: like that's kind of common with people like today, honestly, Oh. 256 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: What just like blaming childhood trauma for a little too long? 257 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like yeah, like yeah I would say that. 258 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, childhood trauma and shit like that. 259 00:14:59,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: There. 260 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: It's good for uh, it's good for getting to where 261 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: you are now if that information is helpful to it's 262 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: good for understanding yourself, but it can't be like this continuous, 263 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: uh road block you have to you have to kind 264 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: of want to get that's what you have to kind 265 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: of want to get over it. And times and some 266 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: people they just don't like have the desire to get 267 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: over it or the strength and the energy. H and 268 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: I yeah, I get why as it gets older, as 269 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: you get older, there's less of inclination for that. 270 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 271 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: I feel like people just have to like want to 272 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: help themselves. And if you don't, obviously there's going to 273 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: be no change and you're just going to be stuck 274 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: in like the same cycle or same place. 275 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: That you're at. 276 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What are you going to school for? 277 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,479 Speaker 1: Behavioral neuroscience? 278 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: Behavioral neurosciencience? Okay, what have you learned anything about what 279 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: you should do in this situation from a behavioral neuro 280 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: science perspective? 281 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: I mean, like. 282 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: Hm, honestly, like no, I mean I'm not like super 283 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: psych We're more like biology. 284 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: Do you ever like think of yourself as a rat 285 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: pulling a lever? 286 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: Honestly, yes, a little bit. 287 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: I feel like I keep pulling the lever that is 288 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: the relationship with my dad, and I keep getting the 289 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: same result, so it's like I'm not learning at all. 290 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, damn isn't that the whole point of 291 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: behavior in our sciences? We make rats pull a bunch 292 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: of levers, and then that tells us whether or not 293 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: we're supposed to repair our relationship with our father. 294 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, honestly, that is like the whole point. But 295 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: we do a whole lot of fucked up shit to rats. 296 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: Can't lie. 297 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you think you think the rats? Ever? Do 298 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: you think any of them feel like they should be 299 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: serving us humans? Do you think any of them are like, like, 300 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: I will gladly give my life to humanity so that 301 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: they can like have a have like this cool perfume 302 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: or whatever it is, like the martyrs. 303 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: Honestly, no, Like I definitely don't think they think that. 304 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 3: But also I don't think they think that far. 305 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 306 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: The stuff that I've like or the studies that I've 307 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: read about like the I just things that we're doing 308 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: with the rats, like to prove whatever they're trying to prove. 309 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just the law. 310 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: Nina, Is there anything else you want to say to 311 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go? Oh? 312 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: I guess just like, never give up on yourself. 313 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: Beautiful, Thank you Nina? 314 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: All right, No, go have a good day. 315 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: That was Nina. Mm hmm, yeah, man, that stuff's a bummer. 316 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: I feel like it's just another one of those situations 317 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: where like you can't force another person to like exist 318 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: in a different way, although sometimes you get lucky and 319 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: you put yourself out there in some way, shape or 320 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: form and people are receptive to it. I feel like 321 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: I've seen people change, but they have to kind of 322 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: wanta hello, Hello, Hi, what's up? 323 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, no way, nothing, what's up with you? 324 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: What's up with me? I'm in a room. It's kind 325 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: of dirty, it's a little depressing looking. Uh, it's dark, 326 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: there's clouds. I'm looking at a Gatorade zero bottle. It's 327 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: half full. It's kind of beckoning me to drink it. 328 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: But it's a little too far away for me to 329 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: feel like getting up to go get it, so I'm 330 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: gonna stay here. What's your name? 331 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 7: My name is Maddix. 332 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: Did you say that already? 333 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 8: No? 334 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: I don't think So what are you doing, Maddis? 335 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 7: I am sitting here with my boyfriend and just watching 336 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 7: him play a game and calling you. And I can 337 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 7: see why people say they get nervous, because this is 338 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 7: make me nervous. 339 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: Now, what game is your boyfriend playing? 340 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: What are you playing? Rivals? 341 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: Marvel Rivals, Marvel Rivals. I've heard of Marvel Rivals. This 342 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: is not a psyop ad for Marvel Rivals. It's like 343 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: one of the most advertised fucking games. I feel like 344 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm seeing is it like, uh? Does it have all 345 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: the like uh Marvel characters in it? 346 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 4: Like? 347 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: Can you play as like Spider Man and shit? 348 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 5: Yes, yes you can. 349 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 7: I don't know much about it and this is not 350 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 7: sponsored by them, So. 351 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: Can you do me? Can you look at the screen 352 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: right now? 353 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm doing that. 354 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: And what do you use? What character do you see? 355 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: She's got a great bod of really big booty, but 356 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 7: he will have to tell you no. 357 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: Invisible woman, Invisible woman, No way, is that fucking real? 358 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: That's wait, the Invisible woman is hold on Visible Woman? 359 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: Is she one of the Fantastic Four? Okay, yeah, she's 360 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: in the Fantastic Store. I was wondering, I was, so, 361 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: are you playing as her or you're just looking at her? 362 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 8: I know I am playing as her, but my my 363 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 8: girlfriend's just watching me because she really wants to talk 364 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 8: about something else. This is just a distraction for her. 365 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: She really wants to talk about something else. Okay, you 366 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: can give the phone back to her. 367 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh say, okay, I'm here. 368 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: Okay, So you really want to talk about something besides 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: Marvel rivals. 370 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 7: Preferably Yes, yes, I do want your your advice. 371 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 2: Oh please, yeah, please please? 372 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: Do you? 373 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 5: Okay? 374 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 7: Do you have any context from my text or is 375 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 7: that not a thing? 376 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 2: No, that's not a thing. I have no context at all. 377 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 5: Okay. 378 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 7: Well, my mother is she has a severe spending addiction 379 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 7: that is sabotaging my dad and I his relationship. And 380 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 7: she's also been having a year's long affair and I'm 381 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 7: the only one that knows about it, and I don't 382 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 7: know how to tell my dad. 383 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: M Okay, So what's the deal with her spending addiction? 384 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 7: She just will not quit buying things. I'm an only child, 385 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 7: just me and my parents. They live in a desperate context. 386 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 7: They live in a five bedroom house, and three of 387 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 7: the five bedroom sort of filled with things that she buys. 388 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 7: And it's just gotten to the point where she's filled 389 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 7: up the entire house, and my dad and I don't 390 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 7: really know what to do with all of the ship 391 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 7: she keeps buying. 392 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: So she's a hoarder, yes, like a clean hoarder. 393 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: Hmm. 394 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: Okay. And but she likes very very she likes very okay. 395 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: She buys a lot of expensive fancy luxury ship. 396 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 7: A yes, I mean not like Louis Vauton or anything, 397 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 7: but very like three hundred dollars jeans ship like that. 398 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: Okay? Do you? And so you live in this house? 399 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: It's you, your dad and your mom. 400 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 7: No. So I moved out when I was nineteen because 401 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 7: I just couldn't take it anymore. They've bought my whole 402 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 7: childhood and it just was a toxic environment. 403 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 5: So I got out of there. 404 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 7: But I quit my job not long too long ago, 405 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 7: and I'm going to be traveling for work soon at 406 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 7: a new job, so I might have to live with 407 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 7: them and move back in with them when I'm in 408 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 7: between traveling. 409 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: And how did you find out that your mom was 410 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: having an affair? 411 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: Well? 412 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 7: I found out because when I was sixteen, she. 413 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 5: Asked me to check. 414 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 7: Something on her phone, and when I did, I saw 415 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 7: a text from a former coworker of hers, and it 416 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 7: was something about meeting up. And I clipped on it 417 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 7: and saw hundreds of messages that they had met up 418 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 7: and slept together, and yeah, all this stuff because he 419 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 7: lives an hour away, but they found meeting spots and 420 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 7: kind of just found all this out. 421 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: That was when you were sixteen. Yeah, so you've known 422 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: about this for how long? 423 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 7: I'm twenty two now, wow. 424 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 5: But there's a lot of factors that go into that. 425 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 7: So shortly after I found out when I was sixteen, 426 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 7: I had an eating disorder and was admitted into treatment 427 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 7: for four months, and then right after that, COVID happened, 428 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 7: and then my dad suffered a massive heart attack and 429 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 7: was in the hospital and had to get a pacemaker 430 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 7: put in. His dad almost died, and then my mom's 431 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 7: dad did die, all in the span of this time. 432 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 7: So I never would have thought that she was still 433 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 7: having an affair. But when I was twenty, I saw 434 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 7: another message when she had me check something on her phone. 435 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 7: It had popped up, and I saw that this had 436 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 7: still been going on, even through all of the ship 437 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 7: my family had been through together, and I thought we 438 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 7: had gotten stronger through all that, but clearly she was 439 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 7: still finding time to cheat. 440 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: So and all with the same guy. 441 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 7: Yes, and he's the CEO of a company, married with 442 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 7: children my age. 443 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: They were family friends his mom. 444 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: Wait guy it wait, wait, wait this hold on. This 445 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 2: guy is your You said you're twenty two. This guy 446 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: is this guy's twenty two? 447 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, he worked with my mom. He's 448 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 7: my mom's age, so in his fifties, but his kids 449 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 7: are my age. 450 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Okay that freaked me out for a second. 451 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: I was like, this is gonna be way crazier of 452 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: a story that I anticipated. 453 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 7: Okay, go ahead, No, it's already crazy enough. 454 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: But oh so his mom, the guy that she is 455 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 5: sleeping with. 456 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 7: His mom was actually my grandpa's secretary for like thirty 457 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 7: years as well, So there's like a lot of lore there. 458 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 7: So like our families really know each other well. So 459 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 7: that makes it even more uncomfortable. We don't like hang 460 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 7: out with them or anything. But I mean, I guess 461 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 7: my mom does, but not my dad and I m. 462 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: Hm okay, so are you what are you are you 463 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: thinking about like revealing this or because it's been six years, 464 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: are you like have you kind of learned to just 465 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: live with it? Like what's your vibe? 466 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: No? 467 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 7: No, it's it's something that eats away. 468 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean every day. 469 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 7: I mean I can't it's so hard to look at 470 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 7: my mom. 471 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 5: It's hard to look at my dad. But they have. 472 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 7: Never had a good marriage. 473 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: They have fought my whole childhood. 474 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 7: They my mom told me, not like maybe a couple 475 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 7: of years ago, that they hadn't had sex in like 476 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 7: fifteen years. Like they're just they've never been affectionate, so 477 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 7: it's not a good marriage. My dad is kind of 478 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: still with my mom because she He doesn't want her 479 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 7: to take like all his retirement and all his money 480 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 7: if they get a divorce now, like everything he's worked for. 481 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 7: It's kind of what he told me. My mom's bipolar, 482 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 7: so that's also a factor. She's threatened to severely harm 483 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 7: and kill my dad and I before she's gone too 484 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 7: had psychotic breaks, so he also is worried about her 485 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 7: and what a divorce would do. 486 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: To her mental state as well. So there's just a 487 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: lot there. 488 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 5: Bro, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 489 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no 490 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: no no no no, this you have nothing to be 491 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: sorry for. 492 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: It all. 493 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: The follow up to me saying Bro, is so you're 494 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: twenty two, what's going on with you? Because at a 495 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: certain point, right at a certain point, I believe that 496 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: you know at the age two, if you so desire 497 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, my family is a 498 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: little fucking crazy. And I think my responsibility as a 499 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: young adult is for me to now focus on developing 500 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: my own life, whatever that looks like for me, and 501 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: not being so deeply engulfed in my family's drama. Do 502 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I know that's a really 503 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: hard thing to do, but I feel like that's at 504 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: a certain point where your brain's got to be at, 505 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So where are you in 506 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: that context? 507 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 5: No, definitely. And I think depending on what is going on, 508 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 5: like how I'm. 509 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 7: Doing mentally, I guess like kind of dictates how involved 510 00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 7: I get into it. 511 00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Cauld. 512 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 7: I think if I'm I don't know, if I'm am 513 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 7: being true to like shit at work and I'm like depressed, 514 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 7: then I think I'm more I like, go into it more, 515 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 7: if that makes sense, Like I I don't know, I 516 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 7: don't know. It's almost like maybe I don't know. I 517 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 7: think about my fucked up family to not think about 518 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 7: to face my problems that are actually happening. 519 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. That makes every sense. 520 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: And I think it's easy to be like, oh, my 521 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 5: family's sucked up and all this shit's going on, so. 522 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Let me deal with that. 523 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 7: But it's like I am realizing now, like how many 524 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 7: years am I gonna deal with this bullshit? 525 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: And like worry about this bullshit? 526 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 7: Like this worrying is doing nothing for me, and so 527 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 7: I'm it's hard, like you said, but I'm trying to 528 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 7: distance myself from that. But it's just hard when I'm 529 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 7: an only child too, and I feel like I need 530 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 7: to take care of my parents and be there for them. 531 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 9: So that's part yeah, yeah, because it because right, because 532 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 9: if you had a brother or sister and they were 533 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 9: checked out, you might be able to look at them 534 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 9: and go all right, well they're checked out. 535 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go ahead and check out too. 536 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: Or if you had a brother, so that was like, 537 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: you know, dealing with it, you'd be like, oh, it 538 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: might break, could bring you either way. But yeah, I 539 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: understand why as an only child, do you feel this 540 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: like responsibility of some kind to still be involved. 541 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 7: M hmm. 542 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: But I mean you have a boyfriend who's playing Marvel Rivals. 543 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a job mm hmm. 544 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: And you you rent an apartment. You don't live with 545 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: your parents. 546 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 7: Right, right, yes, I do have an apartment, all. 547 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: Right, So you've got your own life going on. Yes, 548 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: you've got your own gardens to water. 549 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. 550 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: So I love so I love that. So that's pretty good. 551 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 552 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 7: I guess where where do I start with that? Because 553 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 7: I feel like I've lived in such this like trauma. 554 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: Written state, or like just a state of. 555 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 7: High anxiety and how can I fix things? And walking 556 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 7: on eggshells and that I just don't even know how 557 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 7: to go about prioritizing myself, I guess, And I feel 558 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 7: so stealfish for that. 559 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, well. 560 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: For what I mean. You look, you're already doing it 561 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: right like you have Uh. I mean, I feel like 562 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: in America, if you can, I really do. I feel 563 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: like in America we have a thing where it's like, listen, 564 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: if you can pay your bills and you are in 565 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: a relationship that makes you happy, that's uh. Not every 566 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: relationship has some form of problem, right, But if you're 567 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 2: in a relationship that you know one could look at 568 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: and judge it to be healthy, and your bills are 569 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: paid and you feel moderately happy, You're not on drugs, 570 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: you're not killing anyone you're you're like pretty crazy successful 571 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: if you can accomplish those basic things as an independent adult, 572 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: and you're you're managing to accomplish them, so you know, 573 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 2: a plus already on that, So you're already you're already 574 00:34:51,760 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: doing it. So I think this like hieing anxiety thing 575 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: is like, well, well, I don't know, I don't. I 576 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: don't really know what other aspects of your life you're 577 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: hoping to develop and endeavor for or just maintain and 578 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: and uh enjoy. If those are the two real things 579 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 2: we can do in life, is either continue to develop 580 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: it or or or enjoy it for whatever it is. 581 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: That's your task is just being in your own life. 582 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: How do you go about doing it? I mean, you're already, 583 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 2: I don't you're already doing it, so like a limit 584 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: the amount of time you spend indulging in your family's 585 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: drama and uh, you know, indulge in your own drama. 586 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure tell your boyfriend he's playing too 587 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: much more rivals, he's gotta you know. 588 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I like that. 589 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 5: I like that, And okay that thank you. 590 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 7: That was amazing and I needed to hear that. This 591 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 7: leads me into another question. I just got this new 592 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 7: travel job. And do you have any tips on being 593 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 7: on the road being away from one place your home? 594 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: I guess since you travel, have you done much travel? 595 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 7: I have, just not for work and not for like 596 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 7: weeks at a time or a month at a time. 597 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Where are you going? 598 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: Wherever? 599 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 5: They send me? 600 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 7: Any anywhere, but probably I'm in Kansas and so probably 601 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 7: around the the very area. 602 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: First. 603 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: Okay, are they sending you to the land of Oz? 604 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: That was like a dad joke? That wasn't that funny? 605 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: Uh? Oh? 606 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 2: Wait? Do I have any tips for traveling around Missouri? 607 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: No? 608 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 7: No, no, no, Just in general, like, do you bring 609 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 7: anything for comfort from home or any I don't know 610 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 7: any kind of beginner travel for work tips. 611 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: Why bring a tooth bring a toothbrush? 612 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 6: Uh? 613 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: Almonds? Bring bring almonds to not eat and to buy 614 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: skittles at the gas station instead and eat those that 615 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: have omens to look at you're going, by the way. Well, truthfully, 616 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 2: if you live in Kansas, Kans in Missouri are kind 617 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 2: of the exact same place. There's no true difference between 618 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 2: those two places. There's a version, there's you know, your 619 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: exact life and the exact life of all of your 620 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: friends and family. Also, someone has the exact same life 621 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: in Missouri. There's a McDonald's in your hometown of Missouri. 622 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 2: That is also there's another McDonald's there. It's the same. 623 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 2: It's all the same. Kansas and Missouri are pretty much 624 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: the same exact place, and someone who lives there might 625 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 2: get upset with me about that, but I don't. I mean, 626 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 2: they're I mean, I mean, listen, I'll take it further. 627 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 2: I think everywhere is also. I think everywhere is kind 628 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 2: of the same. That's what you learn traveling, is that 629 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: everywhere is exactly the same. You know. I think Missouri 630 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: and its Becca, Stan and Beijing and Australia are all 631 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 2: the same place. I'm sorry this is a horrible answer 632 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 2: to your question, but. 633 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 7: No, I think my question was just horrible. 634 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 2: So that's it was not a horrible question. It was 635 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: it was a nice question. I should have a better 636 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: answer to that. Yeah, just I don't have fun going 637 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: a walk. That's my actual answers. Wherever, if you I'm 638 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 2: that serious, If you okay, that's my actual answer. If 639 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: you get stuck in some like shit assu laquenta in 640 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: on the side of the road, in Missouri. Just go 641 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: on a walk and look at stuff and just be like, 642 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 2: this stuff is different from the stuff that is directly 643 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: around me most of the time. So just walk around 644 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 2: and look at stuff. That's my best travel advice. 645 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. I like that. 646 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 2: Is there anything you want to say to the people 647 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 2: of the computer before we go? Maddx? 648 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 7: Oh God, just be kind to one another. You never 649 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 7: know what someone's going through. Don't comment on other people's bodies. 650 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 7: It's really none of your business. And everyone, have a 651 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 7: great night and love you all. 652 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: Love you guys, Thank you, maddox, have a good rest 653 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 2: of the night. 654 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: Bye. 655 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Marvel Rivals. It's not an ad, but I'm it 656 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: seems like something i'd like. I mean, I like video 657 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 2: games a lot. Uh. Okay, it's a PvP shooter. Is 658 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: it on the switch? Okay, it's not on the switch, 659 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna play it. It's free to play. 660 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't love if I fuck with those free to 661 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 2: play games. Who do you play? Who are the characters 662 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 2: in it? Playable characters? Penny Parker? Who the fuck? 663 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 4: Is that? 664 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 2: All right? You can play as thor that's cool, you guys. 665 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: Remember Marvel versus capcom No, all right, hello, Hello, Hi, 666 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 2: what is your name? 667 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: I'm Lindsay. Nice to meet you. 668 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too, Lindsay. How's life, Lindsey? What's 669 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 2: going on? 670 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 4: Well? 671 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: Life is really weird right now. I am living in 672 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: a new town and I don't know anyone. So I've 673 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: been spending a lot of time at like this coffee 674 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: shop that's open for twenty four hours every day. I 675 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,479 Speaker 1: am there almost as much as an employee. I would 676 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 1: think it's kind of sad. 677 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 2: Hmm. It's opened twenty four hours. 678 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: It's opened twenty four to seven and never closes. 679 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 2: Are you in and what hours are you typically in there? 680 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: It really ranges like sometimes I'm in there from like 681 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: one PM to like. 682 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 7: Five. 683 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm in there like in the night. The weird 684 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: stuff always happens there in the night. I don't know, 685 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: so I try to go like more in the evening time. 686 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: Okay, you said weird stuff happens at night. I really 687 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 2: want to know if you've been in there at like 688 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 2: three am, and if you have what. 689 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: Is the vibe? I have only one and I'm never 690 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: going back in there because I got chased by a 691 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: man that was in there, and then I didn't have 692 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: any pepper spray, but I bought pepper spray immediately afterwards. 693 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 2: WHOA you got chased? Was there any context or like 694 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 2: this dude just starts chasing It was I mean. 695 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: He was like in there and he was kind of 696 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: acting weird and like looking at me a lot, and 697 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I can tell that, like there's something 698 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: wrong with you. And he kept on trying to give 699 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: me stuff while we were in there. It was just 700 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: us too in this coffee shop. Nobody else was in 701 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: there beside the barista, and I was like, I don't 702 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: really know what she's supposed to do about this, So 703 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: I just kind of was like, Okay, I think I 704 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: need to get out of here. M So I went 705 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: to go leave and he followed me outside and I 706 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: started to run, and then he started to run, and 707 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what the fuck? And 708 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: I like, I did like the horror movie fumble with 709 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: the keys in my car, and I almost I almost 710 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: had to run him over to get away. 711 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 2: Jesus. 712 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, that was just strange. But the weirdest 713 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: thing that I've seen in the carffee shop has been 714 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: this past week or so I've seen the same person 715 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: three times and they keep on peeing in the coffee 716 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: shop chairs. 717 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 2: They get peeing in the coffee shop chairs, yes, like 718 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 2: like you're seeing them do it? 719 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure that it's pee. 720 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 3: Fuck it's. 721 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: What are you like going over there and sniff at it, Like, 722 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 2: how do you know that it's p. 723 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, this happened three times now, three times a few 724 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: A few days ago, I was in there, and I mean, 725 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: it's just like this person. I mean, I'm twenty. They 726 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: look like they're probably around my age, like college age, 727 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: and they always bring in this giant gaming computer like 728 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: it's just like a very heavy duty, Like I don't 729 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: really know that much about computers, but it's it's like 730 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: pretty big. I wouldn't really expect that you would like 731 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: take it out of your house, but they just go 732 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: in there and set on. They're in there for hours, 733 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: just like on the game, and they like I don't know, 734 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: I guess they just sit there for so long. I 735 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: don't know if they have like a week bladder or something. 736 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: But I am I suspect that they are peeing. I 737 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: don't have any I guess, real proof, but they Reek 738 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: of Peace Reek and the chair is always wet when 739 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: they get out. 740 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 2: So why do you like this coffee shop? I've only 741 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 2: heard horrible things so far. 742 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 4: You know what. 743 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: All of my friends ask you that same exact question. 744 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: And honestly, it's just like a really it's you know, 745 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,240 Speaker 1: it's really cool in there. 746 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 4: Like it's a cool place. 747 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: It's usually pretty busy, and like it's pretty cheap, and 748 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm in college, I don't really have that much money. 749 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: It's open late, so I can go to homework whenever 750 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: I want. I don't have to worry about leaving at 751 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: any specific time. I mean, there are a lot of 752 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: things that are good about it, but also it is 753 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: prime people watching. It's peak people watching in there because 754 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: there are so many characters that come in. 755 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you've got a way how much you 756 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 2: like people watching with the fact that it sounds like 757 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 2: people are also watching you. 758 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. I feel like now 759 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: I have protection. I have like I mean, I don't 760 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 1: really know how much pepper spray would do to a person. 761 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 2: But so have you made any friends there? You had? 762 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,399 Speaker 2: You seem like you kind of mentioned a little bit 763 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 2: that you were you were lonely, that you just moved 764 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 2: to this new place. Have you kind of found what 765 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 2: you've been looking for at this coffee shop in terms 766 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 2: of making new connections, I mean. 767 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't really like I usually just kind of go 768 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: to do homework, but I've met a couple of people. 769 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's pretty busy and there aren't really enough seats 770 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: for like everyone to sit down when it gets pretty busy, 771 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: so sometimes people will come sit with me kind of 772 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: like talk to me. That's pretty nice. But honestly, the 773 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: person that I feel like I've bonded with the most 774 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: in the coffee shop is one of the Bearistas. I 775 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 1: just like, I just got her phone number the other day. 776 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: She's pretty cool, but I don't know if I would 777 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: ever actually ask her to hang out, just because I 778 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: don't even know like what to do and like the 779 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: area that I'm in, But I mean, I don't really 780 00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: go there. 781 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 2: You said you don't really go to that make friends. 782 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: No, I'm just kind of I'm just gonna try to 783 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: learn how to be by myself. 784 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: M Okay, why did you move to this new place? 785 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: Well, I I go here for college. This it's my 786 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: second year of college, and last year what I was 787 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: doing wasn't really like working for me. So I transferred 788 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: to like a new city, which is really only an 789 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: hour away from where I was at college before, and 790 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: I made a lot of good friends over there, So honestly, 791 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: on the weekends, I just kind of drive over to 792 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: where I used to go to college and hang out 793 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: with my friends from there. 794 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 2: Mm okay, So are you trying to make a nice 795 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 2: place for you to be in the place that you're 796 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 2: at so that you don't have to, you know, kind 797 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 2: of always go home for the weekend. 798 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: Not really, I mean I'm kind of thinking about I 799 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: feel like this would make my life so much harder, 800 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: like school wise, I'm thinking about just moving back to 801 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: where I went to college last year and just commuting 802 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: to school like an hour every day. I mean the 803 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: bus ride that I take now, it only takes I 804 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: mean it takes an hour because like it does like 805 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stops and it goes a whole 806 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: bunch of places. So there's a different bus that goes 807 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: between the two cities that also takes an hour, And 808 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I would much rather do that and 809 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: go live with my friends from like where I used 810 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: to live than continue to live here. I don't really 811 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: have that much time left in the school year, so 812 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of too late for me 813 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: to try to find trust. 814 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 2: What are you studying. 815 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: I am a product design major and I go to 816 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: an art school. It's a very small, very small art school. 817 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 2: So you feel like you don't have enough time left 818 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 2: in school to even make friends. 819 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, at least not this year. Like, no one that 820 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: I would let consider living with. And I don't want 821 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: to like live by myself, but I live with these 822 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: roommates right now that are so bad. I can't deal 823 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: with them anymore. Why this way to be up? They 824 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: just like I know that this doesn't seem like that 825 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: big of a deal, but they are really just so 826 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: messy and I can't take it, especially in the kitchen. 827 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm mothering. And they are also both 828 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: like a decade older than me. 829 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 2: What's the name of this coffee shop? I'm sorry, I 830 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 2: can't really get it out of my head. It seems 831 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,439 Speaker 2: like a fascinating place. I really want to go there. 832 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: It's called the Bitter End Coffee Shop in Grand Rapids, Michigan. 833 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 2: Wait, hold on the Bitter Ends. Oh shit, Okay'm gonna okay, 834 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to check this place out when I 835 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 2: go to Grand Rapids this year. 836 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 4: Lease do. 837 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 2: Grand Rapids, Okay. 838 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 4: I do. 839 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of it's I've never ever in my 840 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 2: life seen I'm looking at it on Google right now. 841 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 2: I've never in my life seen a twenty four hour 842 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 2: coffee shop. 843 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: I know me either. That's why I was so excited. 844 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: That's why I go there so much. It really is 845 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: cool in there. There's just there's just a lot of 846 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: stuff happening a lot. 847 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 2: It's housed in an old bank building. 848 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool in there. The interior is like really 849 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: pretty sweet. They have a lot of like artwork out 850 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:00,800 Speaker 1: and stuff. 851 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 2: You really want to go to this place. 852 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 1: This looks Yeah, some of the are regular. They are 853 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: this group of like seven or eight, Like I don't 854 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: know where they're from, but they are like I think 855 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: that they speak Arabic. I don't really know how to 856 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: distinguish a lot of different languages. I'm not very knowledgeable 857 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: with languages. But they go in there and play cards 858 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: for hours every day. And on the wall there is 859 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: a painting of them playing cards. 860 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. Okay, I'm on our slash. I'm on 861 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 2: our slash coffee Shops and somebody posted the Bitter and 862 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 2: Coffee House and the top comment is I am a 863 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 2: Grand Rapids native and I have been here many times. 864 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 2: Do not recommend many, many, many things wrong with this place. 865 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I feel like that's telling about me, 866 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 2: is that you you were like, uh, yeah, I went 867 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,919 Speaker 2: into this place that I got chased by a stranger 868 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 2: to my car and almost died. And I'm like, oh, 869 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 2: it sounds cool, let's go. 870 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I love I mean, okay, 871 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: that happened to me, and I told my sister about it, 872 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,840 Speaker 1: and then I went back the next day to do homework. 873 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: It was like twelve hours later, and she was like, 874 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 1: I can't believe you're already back in there. 875 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, have you seen that fucking guy before? 876 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: No, I have not seen him. I like told I mean, 877 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: I was kind of like in shock about what was 878 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: happening while it happened, and then like I didn't really 879 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: know what to do about it, and I was like shit, 880 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 1: like I don't want this guy to chase anybody else 881 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: out of here like that. That was scary as fuck. 882 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: That's the first time anything like that's ever happened to me, 883 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: And like, I guess I'm from like a smaller like 884 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: town that has like less strange people, I guess, but 885 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: like I don't know. Anyways, I went back the next 886 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: day and I told the girl that was working in there, like, 887 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: hey had a weird like experience last night. I don't 888 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: know if you guys have like any cameras or anything 889 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: that you could maybe look at, like you could like 890 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: see this guy like he keeps on coming up to 891 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,759 Speaker 1: me and stuff, and maybe you could, like, I don't 892 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: know if you recognize them if he ever comes in 893 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,839 Speaker 1: here again, maybe just like down the leaf mm hmm. 894 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 6: I don't know. 895 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 2: I'm definitely looks sick crazy are there? I don't even 896 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 2: know if I've never heard of any like twenty four 897 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 2: to seven coffee houses in the on in the world. 898 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: Uh, this is the first one I've ever seen. 899 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 2: Hit me. Hit me in the comments, folks, if you 900 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 2: know any, I want to I want to check them 901 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 2: all out because I like a good twenty four hour place. 902 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,240 Speaker 2: I like being being in a place the late. But uh, yeah, 903 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 2: what'd you say? 904 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: COVID killed the twenty four hour established. 905 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,439 Speaker 2: COVID killed the twenty four hour establishment. It's so lame. 906 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 2: I hate fucking New York like advertise itself as a 907 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 2: place that you can get anything and do anything all 908 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,279 Speaker 2: the time, but it's totally totally not that. At least 909 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn it is. I mean, there's some areas where 910 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 2: it is, but the whole city. I wish there were 911 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 2: more like twenty four hour e cities like that. But 912 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, it starts, it starts. It starts with the 913 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 2: with having a weird coffee house so good. Yeah, good 914 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 2: looks to Grand Rapids. 915 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sad about the fact that, like 916 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: when COVID first happened, I was in I was just 917 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: starting high school and like just kind of like starting 918 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,800 Speaker 1: to get a little bit more like independent where I 919 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: could like go places by myself, and all I wanted 920 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: was to go to like do you know what Meyer is? 921 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 2: Meyer. 922 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's kind of like Walmart, but it's 923 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,439 Speaker 1: like justin Michigan and Ohio, but it's very popular here. 924 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 2: I haven't heard of it. 925 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: But Meyer, it's kind of it's kind of just like Walmart. 926 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: It's like any like supermarket really, but like they used 927 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: to be twenty four hours before COVID happened, and all 928 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 1: I wanted was to go just like walk around into 929 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: Meyer at like four or five in the morning. That's 930 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: all I wanted. And now I can't do it because 931 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: none of them are twenty four hours anymore. 932 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 8: Nothing. 933 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, not around here, you know. I when I first 934 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,080 Speaker 2: got my driver's license, I really wanted to just go 935 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 2: to Target and play the uh the Xbox demo kiosk. 936 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 2: And they don't. They don't do them anymore. They don't 937 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 2: really do the demo kiosks anymore. 938 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 4: Huh. 939 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never I've never even touched an Xbox 940 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: like in my life, so I really don't. I don't know, 941 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything. 942 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 2: Like that, Lindsay, Yes, is there anything else you want 943 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,360 Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go? 944 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 1: If you think that somebody might chase you, run run run. 945 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling Lindsay. 946 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,439 Speaker 1: Hekrod Pepper spray too. 947 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it. 948 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Geko for answering my uh my plea, 949 00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: my text. 950 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, Lindsey. I hope that you continue to have 951 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 2: enjoyable experiences at this coffee shop where you not get 952 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,920 Speaker 2: chased by people. 953 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. I think it'll happen. I hope you have 954 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: a good night too. 955 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 2: Bye, Lindsey, Bye the Bitter End Coffee Shop. Okay, when 956 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 2: am I in Grand Rapids. I'm in Grand Rapids on 957 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 2: the twelfth of September. Tickets at theapy Gecko tour dot 958 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 2: com for Grand Rapids and many other shows. Okay, when 959 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 2: I'm there, I will definitely be going to this. Hello, Hello, 960 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 2: what's up? 961 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: Man? 962 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 2: What's your name? My name is Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. Be good? 963 00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,760 Speaker 2: What's going on? Johnny? 964 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 4: Oh? No, them just chilling the night before day off, 965 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 4: you know, the. 966 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 2: Night before a day off, yep, day off of. 967 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 4: What from work? 968 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,280 Speaker 2: What do you do? 969 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 4: I work in a pharmaceutical warehouse. 970 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 2: You ever take some of the pills just for fun, 971 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 2: see what they are? 972 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 4: No, because I know what they are and I don't 973 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 4: necessarily need them. I have thought about, like nasal spray 974 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 4: for my allergies. 975 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 2: Though, what kind of pills are they? Heart medication? 976 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 4: We carry everything? 977 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,440 Speaker 2: Then, yeah, nothing, you're not You're not like, let me 978 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 2: scoop a little bit of the penis stuff. Let me 979 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 2: take some allergy medication, let me take two allergy medications. 980 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 2: Just get a little uh good little loose for the shift. 981 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 4: No, that's what the after hours are for. 982 00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 983 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 4: It pays, it pays well if I can't really like 984 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 4: to lose it. 985 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mmmm. What's your life like outside of the 986 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical warehouse? 987 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 4: I honestly pretty good. Got a girlfriend going on with 988 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 4: a little over two years, and we go in trouble 989 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 4: the world. I mean, I can't complain. 990 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you guys been going? What 991 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,320 Speaker 2: you've been doing? 992 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 5: Well? 993 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 4: I've gone to Italy on my own, ah, I mean recently. 994 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 4: You know, it's still two years or so. Kind of 995 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 4: you for me, I guess. But we've gone Mexico City 996 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 4: trying to do coaster regulators this year and see how 997 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 4: that goes. Uh. 998 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mexico City is awesome. Wait where in Italy did 999 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 2: you go alone? 1000 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 4: I went to Roman Florence cool man. 1001 01:00:54,360 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 2: I studied abroad in Italy a long time. Rome, Parlo 1002 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 2: unpo Italiano. I ate a lot of pizza, I got, 1003 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 2: I got fat. Uh. I looked at the fountain. I 1004 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 2: freaked out a little bit. I I I remember. I Actually, 1005 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 2: you know what's funny, I had my own like I 1006 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 2: went a little crazy when I was in Rome and 1007 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 2: I had, like I was listening to the Misfits on 1008 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 2: my phone and I had like a little joker stares 1009 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 2: moment on the Spanish steps, just like rocking out to 1010 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 2: punk music. You know what I'm talking about? 1011 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 3: Me? 1012 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 4: Isn't that what it's all about? 1013 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,040 Speaker 2: So what it's all about is uh disturbing the locals? 1014 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 4: How did you? How did you feel about only having 1015 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,919 Speaker 4: Italian blue dog that time? 1016 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 2: How did I feel about? I like Italian food, like preshudo, 1017 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,280 Speaker 2: I like the bakeries. I there was there's a moment 1018 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 2: that I remember vividly from my time there, which was 1019 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 2: I was eating with a couple, like other kids in 1020 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 2: the program, outside of this pizza shop, and this like 1021 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 2: this girl a little older than us. She was kind 1022 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 2: of a tall and lanky and nerdy looking, and she 1023 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 2: she just sat at our table and she was like, 1024 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm here alone and I don't have anyone to eat with, 1025 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna eat with you guys. What are your names? 1026 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, WHOA, that's awesome 1027 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 2: anytime someone anytime something like that happens. The people I 1028 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 2: was with were a little taken aback, but anytime anytime 1029 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 2: I see it It's a very real, recognized, real type 1030 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,080 Speaker 2: of thing. I'm like, that was a bold move I'm 1031 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 2: inspired by. I'm gonna reward it. And so I started 1032 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 2: being like, my name is Lyle, how are you doing? 1033 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 2: What's going on? You know, start trying to I start 1034 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,120 Speaker 2: really I like when I see when I see someone 1035 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 2: reach out like that, like you know, you're kind of 1036 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 2: putting yourself out there when you do shit like that. 1037 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,680 Speaker 2: I always want to try to reward it. I always 1038 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,640 Speaker 2: want to be like, I'm gonna I want you to 1039 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 2: feel like you made the right decision coming over here. 1040 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 2: So we you know, we talked or whatever, and I 1041 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 2: don't remember anything about it de late. I just I 1042 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,880 Speaker 2: only remember her doing that, and I was like, whoa, 1043 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 2: you could just do that shit. It really stands out. 1044 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 2: I feel like in Europe they have a yere. Maybe 1045 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like the mindset that 1046 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 2: I was in at the time. I was like twenty 1047 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 2: one and I was really I mean, my whole career 1048 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 2: is predicated on like talking to strangers and stuff. But 1049 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 2: I was really obsessed at that time with like how 1050 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 2: I could just do it naturally just in my personal life, 1051 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,080 Speaker 2: Like I was obsessed with like weird connections I can 1052 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 2: make with folks on the train or the bus or whatever, 1053 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 2: and like, I really I really appreciated. I don't know 1054 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 2: if this is like a weird spontaneity I had in 1055 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 2: my brain about like, well, you know, whatever kind of 1056 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 2: moments you could make with people that you wouldn't necessarily expect, 1057 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 2: And so I was inspired by that lady. And I 1058 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,040 Speaker 2: don't know if it was like the mindset I had 1059 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 2: at the time, or if it's like Europe in general, 1060 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 2: but like you know, there's certain places in the world 1061 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 2: people just talk to each other just to talk to 1062 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 2: each other, and I feel like Italy, Yeah, Italy and 1063 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:38,720 Speaker 2: Europe are one of those places. Fucking in Iraq, I 1064 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 2: noticed a lot people would come up and like talk 1065 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 2: to me or talk to my friend who was showing 1066 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,440 Speaker 2: us around there, just just because they would. I would like, 1067 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,680 Speaker 2: I would think, I was like, is this person trying 1068 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 2: to ask you for money or whatever? They would just be 1069 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,920 Speaker 2: talking like just because in like a place like New 1070 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 2: York or LA everyone only talks to each other. If 1071 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 2: someone starts talking to you randomly, it is because they 1072 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,560 Speaker 2: want to ask you for something. But there are a 1073 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 2: lot of or like in fucking Japan, you know people 1074 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,240 Speaker 2: and people never talk to you at all, but like 1075 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 2: there's certain places I feel like, eure, it's one of 1076 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,160 Speaker 2: our people just randomly talk to each other for no reason. 1077 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 2: It's kind of nice. 1078 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 4: I've kind of felt that in New York. I go 1079 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 4: to New York, I would say semi often, and I 1080 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,560 Speaker 4: feel like I'm near the Bay Area in California, and 1081 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,840 Speaker 4: I feel like what you're saying about people not talking 1082 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 4: kind of happens in New York. I've met more people 1083 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,360 Speaker 4: out there than I have here at home, which I 1084 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 4: really enjoy. New York City's probably one of my favorite places. 1085 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 2: And where do you live now? 1086 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,240 Speaker 4: You're in the Bay Area in California, San Francisco. 1087 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, very exciting. You know, what I'm realizing is that 1088 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,680 Speaker 2: I just went on a whole rant to you about whatever, 1089 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,480 Speaker 2: and I never asked you if there was a particular 1090 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 2: reason why you called me today, and so I would 1091 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 2: like to take this time to do that. 1092 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 4: A particular reason. Not really, but I mean I can 1093 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,080 Speaker 4: go on about what you were talking about and just 1094 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 4: how you can respect someone that can kind of just 1095 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 4: put themselves out there like that, Like I respect it 1096 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,960 Speaker 4: because in the same position that you were, I mean 1097 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 4: I would welcome them as well. I wouldn't be able 1098 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,960 Speaker 4: to do that myself. I'm more of a go on 1099 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 4: my own kind of person. Yeah, I guess I can say. 1100 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,040 Speaker 4: And I think I had my revelation about that maybe 1101 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 4: a few years ago. I had like one of my 1102 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 4: close friends pass away and he was younger than I was, 1103 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 4: and kind of put into light like why wait for 1104 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 4: something I want to do? Because I used to ask 1105 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 4: my friends if they wanted to go on trips with 1106 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,439 Speaker 4: me and everything, but you know, no time, no money, 1107 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 4: blah blah blah, whatever excuse. And so that was part 1108 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 4: of the reason I went to Italy, just why wait 1109 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,440 Speaker 4: for other people? You know? 1110 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, do you have any other you know? 1111 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 2: It's fine. I also try to live my life that way. 1112 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 2: I also very much try to be like, you know, 1113 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,160 Speaker 2: anything you could possibly can see of wanting to do 1114 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,040 Speaker 2: with yourself, like, don't wait to do it? 1115 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 4: Uh. 1116 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Part of me wonders if that applies to everything, or 1117 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 2: like what it might not apply to or whatever, But like, 1118 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,040 Speaker 2: do you have anything that you can think of on 1119 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 2: your list that you're like should I? I don't want to 1120 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,400 Speaker 2: wait to do that. 1121 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 4: Not necessarily. I've been pretty good on getting on top 1122 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,040 Speaker 4: of what I want to do and doing it when 1123 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 4: I want. The only thing for me is like, I'm 1124 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 4: a big fan of baseball, so one of my things 1125 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 4: is like, try to hit all of the baseball stadiums 1126 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 4: in America, maybe even some international Just yeah, I've knocked 1127 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 4: them down. I like that. 1128 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,320 Speaker 2: How many got left? 1129 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:20,160 Speaker 4: Oh? Maybe like twenty? There's thirty, you know there's any 1130 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,959 Speaker 4: twenty more? Maybe do you have. 1131 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Plans to do to see anymore in the future. 1132 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:38,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't been to San Diego yet. So luckily 1133 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 4: the girlfriend has been nice enough to join me along 1134 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 4: with me on those trips, and she enjoys it as well, 1135 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 4: which helps out a lot. She's really good with the 1136 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,000 Speaker 4: plow kind of person. I appreciate that. 1137 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:59,719 Speaker 2: M What are you gonna do with your day off tomorrow? 1138 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 4: A whole lot of nothing. That's exactly what I like 1139 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,479 Speaker 4: to do my days off. 1140 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:14,200 Speaker 2: Johnny, Yes, thank you for calling. Thanks is nice. Thanks 1141 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,960 Speaker 2: for letting rant at you. I know that. 1142 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,280 Speaker 4: I yeah, no problem. 1143 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,880 Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we both got a lot 1144 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,719 Speaker 2: of stuff off our chest. This is a nice interaction. 1145 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,160 Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. 1146 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the 1147 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go. 1148 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 4: Clean out your room because you don't know if they 1149 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,040 Speaker 4: might be infested with moths. I had that recently and 1150 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,080 Speaker 4: it was a pain to clean out. 1151 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:50,519 Speaker 2: You're saving a lot of people from moths and the 1152 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 2: people appreciate it. 1153 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,479 Speaker 4: I think that's my purpose in this one. 1154 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Johnny. I have a good rest of the night. 1155 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 4: You do love it there. 1156 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 7: Repeat can't goes. 1157 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,519 Speaker 1: On the line taking your phone calls every night. 1158 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,439 Speaker 2: The repeak cant goes to on his eye. He's teaching 1159 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:14,280 Speaker 2: news about your life, but he's not really an expert.