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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Help.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to a Wednesday edition of One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live here at the NFL Scouting Combine. Chris Brown with

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Speaker 2: you here. Steve Tasker to join momentarily as we motor

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Speaker 2: into position interviews today. First group coming through defensive linemen

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Speaker 2: and linebackers. They are the first position groups to come

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Speaker 2: questions from linebackers, defensive tackles, defensive ends, and basically we

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Speaker 2: got to look at some of the body types this

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Speaker 2: a look at some of the body types of some

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Speaker 2: of the bigger defensive linemen. Kenneth Grant, for example, Jordan Birch,

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Speaker 2: I did not see one of my favorites. Jamari calledwell,

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Speaker 2: but these are mountains of men. Kenneth Grant is jaigundo

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Speaker 2: and he is every bit of the three hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty nine pounds I thought he might be. But that's

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Speaker 2: why I like kind of seeing these guys, because you

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Speaker 2: read their height and weight on a page and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: he's three thirty nine. But what does that three thirty

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Speaker 2: that looked like you carved him out of Granted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these guys look like are built like popsicles,

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Speaker 1: you know. They're kind of round on top and skinny

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Speaker 1: And those are the guys that can carry it really well.

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant probably wears a fifty jacket, at least maybe

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Speaker 2: a fifty five. Yeah, so he's getting all of his

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Speaker 2: made it public as to whether or not they met

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Speaker 2: with the bills. As far as personal interviews are concerned.

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Speaker 2: We didn't mention this with Brandon Bean yesterday. Steve and

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Speaker 2: I kind of regret that if we didn't bring it

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Speaker 2: up with him, kind of ran out of time. It

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Speaker 2: used to be sixty players you get to pick for

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Speaker 2: fifteen minute interviews. Now it is only forty five players,

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Speaker 2: but you get him for twenty minutes. And I wanted

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Speaker 2: to ask Brandon, like, what do you get out of

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Speaker 2: that extra five minutes. Does it make a discernible difference

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Speaker 2: for you? Do you really get down to more brass

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this too you. I guess it comes from

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Speaker 1: the fact that all these interviews happen and they're timed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got people coming in and taking the

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Speaker 1: few minutes. They used to blow the air horn, right,

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Speaker 1: they blow an air horn, the airbady rotates, and so

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Speaker 1: it comes from all of those meeting comes out, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we just needed a couple more minutes, you know what

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Speaker 3: But you're losing out on sitting down with fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I think what does mean At a certain level, you've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in an informal way here you can do that,

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Speaker 1: They do that.

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Speaker 2: They have their position coaches do that, or even some

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Speaker 2: visits and such, and they'll pull him aside. Hey, just

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Speaker 3: What's going on with this? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You grab you steal time with.

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Speaker 2: These players face to face wherever you can to get

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Speaker 1: And if it's that important to you particularly. I don't

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Speaker 2: Right, Or you have him in on a thirty visit

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Speaker 2: So defensive linebackers and linebacker, defensive linemen and linebackers.

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Speaker 3: As we said, coming through and meeting the media.

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Speaker 2: Today, a few players confirmed they met with the Bills

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Speaker 2: in a formal interview setting Texas defensive tackle Alfred Collins,

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Speaker 2: who is definitely going to be on the list for

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Speaker 2: the All Name team. That's a nickname, but he spells

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Speaker 2: it like Winnie the Pooh, which is outstanding. Bit of

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Speaker 2: unfortunate Bill's news. Former offensive line coach and offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: Tom Bresnahan passed away on February twenty second earlier this week.

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Speaker 2: He was on Marv Levy's staff yes during the nineties

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Speaker 3: I know you worked under him.

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Speaker 1: He was oc for two of the Super Bowls runs

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Speaker 1: like that from a long time ago. And Tom was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we laugh. We laughed about it

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Speaker 3: All we know is there was a hole in the

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and only only after we were all old.

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Speaker 1: it was it drew that team closer together in subsequent

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Speaker 2: Got a front to back full slate again here at

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Speaker 2: the NFL scouting Combine and Indie on Today's show coming

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Speaker 2: up at the bottom of the hour in about twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes time, going to catch up with our good friend

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Speaker 2: from NFL Network and NFL on CBS, Charles Davis, So

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Speaker 2: CD gonna come in here. We're gonna pump them for

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Speaker 2: information on some cornerback prospects as well as some defensive

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Speaker 2: media room today second hour of the show, ESPN NFL

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Speaker 2: Draft analyst Jordan Reed is going to join us. We'll

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Speaker 2: shaking out, knowing blue chip prospects are not in plentiful

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Speaker 2: with former Bills, Eagles and Giants front office man Mark Ross,

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Speaker 2: now an analyst for NFL Network. We'll kind of get

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Speaker 2: which is presented as always by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare

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Speaker 2: system of the Buffalo Bills, and we begin with players

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Speaker 2: already heard of a few that have been given permission

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Speaker 2: to seek trades. Add Tennessee Titans pass rusher Harold Landry

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Speaker 2: NFL Network insider Tom Pelsero basically laid out the parameters

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Speaker 2: He's still owed seventeen and a half million this year,

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Speaker 2: and that's for a team, Steve that rarely had opponents

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and new regime. A lot of changes going on

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Doesn't mean that Harold Landry is a bad

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Speaker 2: He missed the twenty twenty two season with a torn

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Speaker 2: like I said, I think he turns twenty nine later

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Speaker 3: I got it right here.

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Speaker 2: He turns twenty nine in June, so it'll be twenty

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Speaker 2: nine before the next season. Are you interested, Steve? Knowing

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Speaker 2: the Bills need a pass rusher. Two years left on

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Speaker 2: the deal, No guarantee.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna give him seventeen to five.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what's on his contract, that's what you would inherit.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna give him that. No, but sure kick

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Speaker 1: If I were the Rams, I would structure a deal.

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Speaker 1: Matt probably wouldn't go for it. But structured deal that is,

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Speaker 1: Say we'll give you this deal and we'll guarantee it

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Speaker 1: And maybe the Rams will say, okay, go find.

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Speaker 2: Him, see what you can do, and Brian Dable will say,

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Speaker 1: Stafford says, three year deal, option for four.

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Speaker 2: My point is there are enough teams out there that

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's what you would do if you're interested in Stafford

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Speaker 1: You can get at some point more.

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Speaker 3: It's just bypassed quarterback altogether. Wait till next point.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna be alb It's gonna be an albatross.

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Speaker 3: Right, That's what the Rams are trying to avoid. That's

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Speaker 1: they don't want to go into cap jail with Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Right, and let the Deshaun Watson contract be a lesson

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Speaker 2: to everybody, like you don't want to get caught holding

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Speaker 3: They just don't know when. And that's why they've gone

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Speaker 2: Now, oh he's still I think he's still a top

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Speaker 3: At the top of his game.

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Speaker 1: If you had for one year, you take for one year,

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Speaker 2: The only reason I pause is because of long term price.

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Speaker 1: I take Stafford. That's right. Mahomes you take Mahomes. Mahomes

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Speaker 1: Josh you take Josh Aaron Rodgers Stafford. Think about it.

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Speaker 3: That's why there's not an easy answer to this.

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Speaker 1: It is a short list of quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Lamar you take Lamar, Lamar and Stafford you

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to be the most compelling

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Speaker 1: You take Joe Joe Burrow over Stafford for one year,

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Speaker 1: going what what are you? Where you bid? Where you bid?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: He said he was injured the whole year, never really healthy,

440
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Speaker 2: messed up pretty bad.

441
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Speaker 3: It was very frustrating.

442
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: He decided to take the first two to three weeks

443
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: after the season was over to rest his ankle and

444
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: try to get it back under him. He said his

445
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: training has been delayed as a result. I got a

446
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Speaker 2: late jump, So that's why I'm gonna work out of

447
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: my pro day instead of the combine.

448
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: I saw that injury happen.

449
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Speaker 2: I was at the Clemson Georgia kickoff game at the

450
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Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz Stadium and the injury happened right in front

451
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Speaker 2: of me because it was near the end zone and

452
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: we were sitting in the end zone behind the uprights,

453
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: and he got shopped and his ankle just rolled inside

454
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: and it was a high ankle sprain and he was

455
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 2: out for the rest of the game. Fortunately for him,

456
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: his teammate Jaalen Walker took over the damn game.

457
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: And that's the guy you want. You want Jalen Walker.

458
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: Mikel Williams great talent and I think he'll be a

459
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: good player in the league. Jalen Walker is going to

460
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: be the superstar. Mark it down, put it on the

461
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: white board.

462
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll vouch that Brownie has been pounding that walk

463
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: that drum for a while now.

464
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: So that guy can play off ball linebacker, he can

465
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: play line up on the edge as a stand up

466
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 2: edge rusher.

467
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 3: Whoever gets Jaalen Walker is going to.

468
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: Be very happy because that guy is all about ball

469
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: and is super intense.

470
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Speaker 3: He's a wigwaman a TP sometimes two tents.

471
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Speaker 1: Wigwaman a TP two tents, right, He's an intense competitor.

472
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Speaker 3: Uh.

473
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.

474
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: My high school coach used to yell at me all

475
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: the time. He says, you're a wigwam in a TP.

476
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: I said what, He goes, you're two tents. He goes, relax,

477
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: all right, buddy, relax.

478
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: Tent. Yeah. Oh, I thought you meant to pitch a tent,

479
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: not being tense as in intense.

480
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: Play on words.

481
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, it is what it is. So

482
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: that down used that later. That's around the Thanks for

483
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: explaining that, because I was around looking at each other

484
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: like going Brownie's lost it.

485
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: That's around the NFL presented by Callida Health as always.

486
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: So we've got defensive lignement coming through today, and I'm

487
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: really disappointed I didn't get to see my guy Jamari Caldwell.

488
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: He didn't get to the podium in time before we

489
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: have to come over here and do other duties. But

490
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: I will say, Kenneth Grant might be the most squarely

491
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: built defensive lineman I've seen in quite some time. He

492
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: is literally shaped like a rectangle like it. Here's his head,

493
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: here's his shoulders, and then from there it just goes

494
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: like this. There's no no curves that he is.

495
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: Literally a wall.

496
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Speaker 1: He was literally a wall. It's neat to come in

497
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: and and lay eyes on these because are the one percenters. Yeah,

498
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: they're all one percenters. And then you come out and

499
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't we sometimes we do. We'll go over and

500
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: watch forty times and stead watching them run a little bit.

501
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: But we just watch it like everybody else does on

502
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: the TV. It's easier and it's it's more convenient, and

503
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: you get the times. Yeah, and I just wait to

504
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: see which guy that I whose name I did not

505
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: know before the draft, catches everybody's eye after the draft,

506
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a couple of them. The kid

507
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: the Texas Tech kids is going to be doing one

508
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: of those guys, and you know, so we'll see. But

509
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be fun to see who who wows

510
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: some people here with their physical abilities because these you're right, Brownie,

511
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: it's I've said it in a long time. It's hard

512
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: to be special in a league where it's nothing but

513
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: special people.

514
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: Right.

515
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: Every so often, though, somebody does come along.

516
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing for me is as deep as

517
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Speaker 2: they say the defensive tackle class is. This year, like

518
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: we had Daniel Jeremiah and he said in his top fifty,

519
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: he well, he actually went as far as one hundred.

520
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: He hasn't published his top one hundred. Said typically I

521
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: have twelve defensive tackles in my top one hundred on average.

522
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: He said, this year he is twenty four. He's got

523
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: double the number.

524
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: Now despite all that, despite all that, I was looking

525
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: at Dane Brugler from the Athletic. I was looking at

526
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: his top one hundred, and he's got thirteen defensive ends

527
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: in his top sixty and only six defensive tackles. So

528
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 2: while there is defensive tackle depth, I don't know if

529
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: there are as many elite defensive tackles as there are

530
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: elite defensive ends. And we'll get Dan Brugler on the

531
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Speaker 2: show later this week to get because I'm curious what

532
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: his answer to that will be, because part of me

533
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: wonders is that just because people still covet the position

534
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: of edge rusher Moore, and that's why more of them

535
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: are up in the top sixty Or is the talent

536
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: legitimately that much better than the top end of.

537
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: The defensive things, A lot of things.

538
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I think it's the evolution of the game, the importance

539
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: of the pass rush, and because you have to defend

540
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: the pass now at the major college level as well

541
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: as the NFL level. Now colleges are throwing it around

542
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: just like the NFL does, and you've got to defend

543
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: the pass at both ends. Corner safety rusher, pass rusher,

544
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: and you know, run stuffers are. Yes, they're still valued.

545
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: They might be more value now with the resurgence of

546
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: the run game this past year that it may swing

547
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: back the other way, but not not that fast.

548
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, edge rushers are still gonna make the money.

549
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: You got guys in this class that are And and

550
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, you're seeing a lot more safeties

551
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: in the college ranks this year. When you're watching highlights

552
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: and these young guys a ton more safeties. You're getting

553
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: some run down in the box.

554
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: They're coverage responsibilities too.

555
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're asking a lot of the safeties. Corners are

556
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: still kind of pure, you know, they're out there. But

557
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: now you've got safe safeties that are lining up next

558
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: to a linebacker down in the box, or they're running

559
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: up in the run game. They're coming out of the secondary,

560
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: crashing in on the run game.

561
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: Coming down to cover a slot, all of it, receiver,

562
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: all of it.

563
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: So that's that, I think is the next thing that

564
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm seeing out of the college game that has caught

565
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: me this year, where you just get safeties that are

566
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: much that have much more on their plate at the

567
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: college level.

568
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the new positionless player. Yeah, you know,

569
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: we always hear about positionless football, and I think it's

570
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: moving at a glacier like pace in terms of getting there.

571
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: But if there's one specific position that is experiencing it

572
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: more than others, I would say it's the safety. Safety

573
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: position tight end to a certain extent. You know, they

574
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: still have inline responsibilities, but they largely are like tight receivers.

575
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: They split out and they split out and stuff.

576
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: Backs obviously do a lot of different things, but on defense,

577
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: safety is the position that is seeing a lot of

578
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: different work at the second level of the defense. I

579
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: think the resurgence of the run game has pushed more

580
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: teams toward using a third safety in a nickel package

581
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: as opposed to a true nickel corner.

582
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: We saw the Chiefs adopt that last.

583
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Year because they took Trent McDuffie, who was an all

584
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: pro nickel corner, and they moved him outside this year

585
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: and they put Shamari Connor, a safety as their slot corner.

586
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

587
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I get that. To me, that's about the players. They've

588
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: got it.

589
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I have the right guy.

590
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying to use their players as best they can.

591
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: But Ustsey that you know, that's the best option McDuffie

592
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: moving out rather than having their third corner whatever fifth

593
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: corner at that point, moving him on is better. You know,

594
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Duffy's better corner than our sixth corner.

595
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: Right, and he's not getting run over anymore inside in

596
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: the run game like Taran does.

597
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: And you make and you make the best of it.

598
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know that that's a philosophical change in

599
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: the league. Although it's a it's a forced it's a

600
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: forced adjustment because you know they're going to run it

601
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: at yeah, so you got to make those moves. But

602
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a philosophical evolution of the game.

603
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Houston, Texans did it with Jalen Petrie, right, he's the safety.

604
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: He's also there there And I'll.

605
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Tell you this too. That's more about what you and

606
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I are talking about. Because you're getting more and more

607
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: guys who do that. There's there's guys like, gotta find

608
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: guy that's right. You've gotta have guys that come in

609
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: and do that.

610
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean this, you know the Nickimnor is the big

611
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: right safety from South Carolina that can do all that stuff.

612
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: I think Xavier Watson from Notre Dame as a kid

613
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: that can do that stuff because he did all of it.

614
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Lathan Ransom is a guy that's in the bar a

615
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: little bit later in the draft, but yes, a little later.

616
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know that he's as good a cover guy.

617
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: He's good in the box, yeah, I don't know he's

618
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: good to cover guy. A third round pick, so you

619
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: got and of course Malachi Starks can whatever you want

620
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: him to do. He'll they rush the passer if you

621
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. So, uh, there's guys, more and

622
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: more guys coming out. And I think too, and I

623
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: think a little bit of this brownie and I'm an

624
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: old guy here, so extend me some grace for reminiscing

625
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: more of it is they're uncovering these guys, like discovering

626
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: that they've got guys who can do this. There's always

627
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: been great athletes in the league and all that, and

628
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: the game has demanded certain things, but now the game

629
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: demands some different things, and we're discovering, of course there's

630
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: guys who can do it. Let's go. So there's a

631
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: little bit of that going on. And now that we're

632
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: further into his into the future and they're throwing the

633
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: ball more, now, running the ball more. Now that you

634
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: know that pendulum is swinging all over the place. There

635
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: are known remedies to unforeseen problems like well, now we

636
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: got we're we're like, we're struggling, and we're struggling in

637
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: the play action game. We're done that. Well in the past,

638
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: teams who struggled with it did this and this and this,

639
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and they said, WHOA, Well, that second option looks pretty

640
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: good for us, and our personnel lists use it so

641
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: they can go out and find they don't have to

642
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: dream it up anymore. So that all of that is

643
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: is helpful, and it's always been the way of coaches,

644
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: and you see guys, well, I called my buddy, and

645
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: you know you hear about like even Bill Belichick at

646
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the height of the middle of the Patriots run down

647
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: talking to the Army guys or the Navy guys because

648
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: they run the ball all the time. He goes, well,

649
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: how do you do that against a team that knows

650
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna run it? So he would go down and

651
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: they learn from that staff. That's what happens in the NFL.

652
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: So I think more so than anything, these draft prospects,

653
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: some of these are it's discovered that they can use

654
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: these guys in different ways and the game demands it

655
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: in different things of them. And that's part of what

656
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: this combine is all about, is grinding down on these

657
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Speaker 1: guys and saying that, you know what, if we get

658
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Speaker 1: into a pinch, he could do this. Now.

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Speaker 2: The old that is is the more he can do,

660
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: the longer you stay rist league, it might be truer

661
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: now more than ever.

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Speaker 3: We've got to take a break here.

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Speaker 2: But when we come back, we're going to be joined

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Speaker 2: by our good friend from NFL Network also the NFL

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Speaker 2: on CBS, Charles Davis, and to join us and sit

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Speaker 2: down right in between Steve and I when we return

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Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Help, It's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on one Bills

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Speaker 2: Live at the NFL Scouting Combine and Indie Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker and joined by NFL Network and NFL on

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Speaker 2: CBS is Charles Davis. You know you're just you're all

672
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Speaker 2: over the place, man, Thank good coast to coach me

673
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Speaker 2: with the most.

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Speaker 1: I get kicked out of a lot of places. And

675
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys, but.

676
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Speaker 3: They always bring you back.

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Speaker 4: They always bring back.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys. Let me sit down for a

679
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Speaker 1: minute or two. Get off your feet.

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Speaker 3: At least we always bring it back.

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Speaker 1: Right listen, We're we know how it is though, and

682
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Speaker 1: truth we're the next person on their list. He's Charles's

683
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Speaker 1: gonna make the rounds here. Everybody wants to talk. No, No, that's.

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Speaker 4: The way it works.

685
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: If that's the case, that means it's a.

686
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: Slow news cycle.

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Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's talk priorities for the bills in your mind.

688
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: Because yesterday they get Khalil, they get Khalil Shakir done

689
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: on an extension signed through twenty twenty nine. I call

690
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 2: him old reliable even though he's a young guy. Uh,

691
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: because he's old reliable for Josh in many, many, many ways,

692
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Brandon said, there are other extensions on the horizon. Talks

693
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: have already begun with James Cook. I don't think he's

694
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Speaker 2: getting the fifteen million a year.

695
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Speaker 3: That he wants.

696
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: That's a big number, especially when a guy like Saquon

697
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: Barkley's getting only twelve and a half and Josh Jacobs

698
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: had one hundred more carries than him last year and

699
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: he got twelve. But I think they'll reach some kind

700
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: of compromis.

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Speaker 1: Is not real happy with you right now.

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'm.

703
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Speaker 1: James Cook's agents, Like, what are you doing?

704
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Speaker 2: I love, but I'm just staying back right, I mean

705
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: ten and a half to twelve probably it is probably

706
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: the range for him. But beyond that, and beyond getting

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Speaker 2: cap compliant, what do you see as as roster priorities

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Speaker 2: for the bills?

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Speaker 1: Well, I put together a few notes.

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Speaker 8: If it's okay, Oh yeah, all right, who's going to

711
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 8: continue to play next to Ed Oliver and can increase

712
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 8: your rotation inside? Right, that's a spot. Continue to beef

713
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 8: up the wide receiver corps. Nothing wrong with that. I

714
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 8: love what you've got, But at the same time, never

715
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 8: hurts to have more guys, and it really wouldn't hurt

716
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Speaker 8: to have someone who can flat out go on the outside.

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Speaker 1: All right. I know everybody's going.

718
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Speaker 8: Crazy about the Xavier Worthy versus Kean Coleman thing and

719
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 8: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: If you can give him some more.

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Speaker 8: Speed, take it Edge Rusher, because you know, with Vaughn,

722
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Speaker 8: I just can't imagine Rousseau. We haven't gotten a double

723
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 8: digit yet, all right, so who is going to be

724
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Speaker 8: a member? Remember when Russeau came up with Boogie Basham right.

725
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Speaker 3: Steve, Yeah, back to back. He didn't happen.

726
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 8: We saw what happened when Benford got hurt in the

727
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 8: playoffs right in the in the game against KANDAB and

728
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 8: that's a big drop off. And he was what a

729
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Speaker 8: sixth round pick to begin with. So there are corners

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Speaker 8: out there. I think there'll be an investment by Brandon

731
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Speaker 8: somewhere along the way, whether it's free agency or or

732
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Speaker 8: or in the draft. And with the safety position, I

733
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Speaker 8: love Taylor Rap. I just can't keep him out there

734
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Speaker 8: all the time, and I want him out there. I've

735
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Speaker 8: been a big Taylor Rap fan In fact, years ago

736
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 8: when he came out, I wrote that I had a

737
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Speaker 8: first round grade on him, and I had I'm not

738
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Speaker 8: sure anyone else did.

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Speaker 1: I loved him, love his play.

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Speaker 8: Got to be able to continue to do that, because

741
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 8: guess what, we're not getting hide back, getting Royer back.

742
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: Those days are done. Refresh. See your notes are kind

743
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: of mimicking what we've been talking about for the last

744
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and since since the Bills you know,

745
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: will put out in the AFC Championship game. You got

746
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: to focus on the defensive side of the ball, and

747
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: certainly if if a playmaking guy on the edge and

748
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: the offensive side comes up, yeah, absolutely, But you're set

749
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Speaker 1: at running back, you're set at tight end, your spectacular

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Speaker 1: and you know obviously the quarterback is there, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: if somebody falls at wide out, sure consider him at

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Speaker 1: any point.

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Speaker 8: But I'm with you, Steve, but don't reach for that

754
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 8: right Like like this year's wide receiving corps is going

755
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 8: to be good and deep, but I don't know if

756
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 8: it's spectacular.

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00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: It's not like you've seen it like we've seen it

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Speaker 1: in the recent years.

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Speaker 8: Like a young man out of Arizona I think is

760
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 8: a terrific player, but I don't think he's gonna blow

761
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 8: us away on the Stopwatch, right, you know?

762
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm talking about.

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00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 8: I'm talking about somebody that's going to take attention so

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Speaker 8: everybody else can work.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is, did I read.

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00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 8: Correctly here correctly that Brandon Bean talked about we really

767
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 8: need Dalton Kincaid to be a little more durable if

768
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Speaker 8: he does that between him and knocks, I love your passing. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I don't think you're berefed by any stretch.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So we've been hitting this defensive line class hard because

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: the Bills have a lot of yeah free agents at

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Speaker 2: the defensive tackle position. Lon turns thirty six next month.

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00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is he's an eight and

775
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: a half million dollar cap savings. If you move on

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Speaker 2: from him, they need cap relief. Defensive end class or

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00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: edge class and defensive tackle class. Do you like one

778
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: over the other? And if so, why.

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Speaker 8: I think I like the defensive tackle class better for depth. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 8: At the top of it, on the edges, Abdull Carter

781
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 8: is really really good. And what I've been saying is,

782
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Speaker 8: and I don't know how to even explain or if

783
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 8: there's even an answer. But in recent years, Penn State

784
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 8: is always going to give us players, right, not even recents.

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00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Pen State always gives us good players.

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Speaker 6: Right.

787
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 8: But you remember a Dafeoway who was Jason Oway at

788
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 8: Penn State. His senior year, he had zero sacks and

789
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 8: was a first round pick. Chop Robinson came out last

790
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 8: year at four and a half sacks. His last year

791
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 8: at Penn State was a first round pick. Now, the

792
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 8: second half of his year is pretty good, second half

793
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 8: of reason.

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00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: Right, pretty dark good.

795
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Speaker 8: I'm not saying that to say that they weren't good

796
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 8: enough to be drafted where they were. I'm just saying

797
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 8: I never could understand how there were no numbers in

798
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 8: terms of that. We don't have that problem with Abdul

799
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 8: Carter okay, twelve and a half sacks, twenty three and

800
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 8: a half. So I'd love to know how that all

801
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 8: stacks up and why. But he is a legit item.

802
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: And remember he was an off the ball backer that

803
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 8: they moved off the edge and the edges where he's

804
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 8: really found his home. Now, who is it behind him

805
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 8: that's the real wrecker that's off of the edge, Like

806
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 8: is it is Iraku from from Boston College.

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Speaker 1: Is he really going to be that guy who's a

808
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: good guy?

809
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 2: Landon Jackson today said he did meet with the Bills

810
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: for a formal interview, and that guy is an intense competitor.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if this team's losing thirty well, not

812
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: in person, but I've seen it tape. They're losing thirty

813
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: to nothing. You seen him in person?

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Speaker 8: Yes, okay, you see him in person, big strong, super losing, super.

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Speaker 1: Length, all of that. But he's not sudden Okay, okay.

816
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 8: So he's gonna get his numbers by power, by guile,

817
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 8: by extra effort, the whole thing, so, I would say,

818
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 8: and I hope he proves me wrong. I don't ever

819
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 8: see him as a double digit guy. But do I

820
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 8: see him as a guy who can get you five

821
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Speaker 8: to seven a year and play really well?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 8: I think what you're looking for, though, is that that

824
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 8: next guy?

825
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Then?

826
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a Day two guy.

827
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Speaker 4: You me.

828
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 8: The guy that's gonna go get somebody now? Is the

829
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 8: kid from Marshall Mike Green? Is he gonna be that guy?

830
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 8: Because no numbers at Virginia, but grew up, got better

831
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 8: and at Marshall, he.

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Speaker 1: Wast That's the thing too, that, particularly with the transfer

833
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: portal is what it is at the college level. Nil

834
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: has changed things for it, but it does give you

835
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: a chance to see these guys in different environments. And

836
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Speaker 1: I know, I mean, I came out of high school

837
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: as one hundred and forty five pounder, but I went

838
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: to school for five years, so I come out as

839
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: an eighty one hundred and eighty five pounders still, so

840
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of growth in these guys that tested. Yes,

841
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: you went through some stuff, right, so these guys you're getting,

842
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: these guys coming out that are still unfinished products. Yes,

843
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: And that's really the It's the unknowns and the potential

844
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: that will be fulfilled. That is what gets guys fired

845
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: and what gets guys drafted above their station.

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Speaker 8: I love what you're saying there. I love it, Steve.

847
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 8: Let me let me throw my analogy to what you're

848
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 8: saying right now. In some ways, football, NFL football is

849
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 8: entering where NBA basketball has been years. We're getting more

850
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 8: unknowns than we had before because guys are going different places.

851
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: Why didn't it work here?

852
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 8: It worked here for a year, and so now we're

853
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 8: taking him Anthony Richardson was thirteen starts and he went.

854
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Number four overall.

855
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 8: But here's where we're getting our give back. In my opinion,

856
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 8: here's our give back. COVID did nothing good for anyone,

857
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 8: but these kids have stayed in school longer, and you

858
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 8: know what is coupled with nil, the nil money. Now

859
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 8: we may get that kid stale. Remember last year's quarterback class,

860
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 8: we had no issues at all about their experience. Zero

861
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 8: everyone at stage, they starts right, they all hit the

862
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 8: coach Parce sales.

863
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Quarterback makes a difference the numbers thing. So all that worked.

864
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Speaker 8: I think we may get more of that going forward,

865
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 8: because if you're not that top level food chain quarterback,

866
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 8: I mean, do you see what these nils are? Yeah,

867
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 8: it's great, all right, they can stay and play the

868
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 8: extra year and make more money than coming out in

869
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 8: the second and third round.

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Speaker 2: Right, all right, Before we let you go, we got

871
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: to get you in your wheel house, which is the

872
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: cornerback position.

873
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: And it's a good year for corners.

874
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: And with the Bills picking thirtieth, yeah, you know, the

875
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: top end stud rushers edge rushers are probably gone to

876
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: the great degree, so you know what the Bills look

877
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: for at corner length height, you got a fair amount

878
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: of these guys. I mean, Johnny Barron's not six foot

879
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: but he's a hell of a player. Trey Amos, Is

880
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: Zara Thomas, Max Harriston, Denzil Burke joins, these guys are

881
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: all over six foot tall.

882
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 8: Who do you like out of that group? Who's who

883
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 8: gets you excited? Baron's the best one out of there

884
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 8: that you've mentioned. I'm just gonna stick with the guys

885
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 8: you're talking about, Okay, so let's.

886
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: Just keep it right. He seems good. Baron's a really good.

887
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 8: Player and got better during his time there at Texas.

888
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 8: All right, So when you watched him and just watched

889
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 8: his growth and what he did and his willingness to

890
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 8: do at all, Like, this guy's gonna.

891
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 3: They moved him around.

892
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was everywhere. He's everywhere.

893
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 8: Right, He's gonna stick his face in the fan as well,

894
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 8: so you don't have to worry about that part. He's

895
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 8: very And then when it's all all all said and done,

896
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: if you guys get a chain, check out today Baron

897
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 8: singing singing. This dude can go by the way, listen,

898
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 8: He's gonna be phenomenal. He'd be great just with us.

899
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 8: I think he works out of the George Straight songbook.

900
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 8: Think about that now. So you get a country kid

901
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 8: doing this thing out of George Straight. If you guys

902
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 8: get a chance to check it out, and if you

903
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 8: do draft him, you're gonna be showing it everywhere.

904
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: Anyway.

905
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 8: The other kid that really jumped out for me was

906
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 8: Max Harriston to seen your ball out of Kentucky's a

907
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: little light in the pants. Little light and a little

908
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 8: light in the pants. But again, another guy that's stick

909
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 8: his face in the fan. He's going to go get it.

910
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 8: And here's the other part. Hurt a lot of last year,

911
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 8: so he went under the radar. Go back and watch

912
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 8: his senior ball tape. He didn't play in the game.

913
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 8: If you get a chance of pull back practice tape,

914
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 8: I think you're gonna really like what you see. Nickname

915
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 8: Mad Max. Of course, anybody named Max is gonna try

916
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 8: and go Mad Max. But I like this kid a lot.

917
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 8: I think he's got a chance to really develop and

918
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 8: has some potential quickly.

919
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: The cornerback class over all pretty good.

920
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty good.

921
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 8: You have some guys that they're going to try to

922
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 8: decide if their corners are, if their safeties because you've

923
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 8: got a lot of guys with length that kind of

924
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 8: looked like the old Pete Carroll corner, Like Pete Carroll

925
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 8: covered one.

926
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Cover three corners Richard with the long arms and the

927
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: whole deal. There will be some of those people.

928
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 8: There'll be some of them will want to make them

929
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 8: cover two corners and and and press up that way.

930
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 8: I don't think it's exceptional, but it's not bad to

931
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 8: kip mes. Caroline is going to be a big question

932
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 8: mark because of the day entering. But he revel But

933
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 8: he's right. Yeah, he's a really good player.

934
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only gonna see with him is a lot

935
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: of head grab him because he's uh his ball skills.

936
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I questioned that, you know, he has a lot of

937
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: dropped interceptions that he thinks he should have caught. Yeah,

938
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: we have, we have a lot of that coming out

939
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: cat Man.

940
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 8: Come on, I mean, who did we have this year

941
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 8: that the oh he came out of uh Georgia.

942
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I've forgot who it was.

943
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 8: He's playing in the playoffs, and I think that not

944
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 8: Ringo is this this past year? Guess first interception he

945
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 8: had had once? It's a specialman year at Georgia. But

946
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 8: It's a really good corner Charles, thanks has always been

947
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 8: appreciate it, all right, and keep behind your coverage.

948
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: On the NFL network and we'll see you next fall

949
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: out with the NFL.

950
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Say how to James Cook's agent.

951
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: That's right, Charles Davis joining us here. We'll take a

952
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: break on One Bills Live presented by Colia Health. It's

953
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, back here on One Bill's Live.

954
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker coming in from the NFL Combine

955
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: and indeed d line linebackers coming through today. Just got

956
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: finished with a conversation with Charles Davis about cornerback class.

957
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: You know, the Bills will be in the market for safety.

958
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: I think they add in free agency as well as

959
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: the draft at the safety position. And there's some news

960
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: from NFL Networks. Mike Garrofolo is reporting that the Bucks

961
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: have informed safety Jordan Whitehead they're not going to exercise

962
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: his option bonus that will make him a few a

963
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: free agent in just a few weeks now. They are

964
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: interested in bringing him back.

965
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: Listen to this. I just looked it up.

966
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: The option bonus they're declining to pay is seven hundred

967
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars like that. You're not gonna pay

968
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: that to hold on to him. I don't know that.

969
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: I'm a little perplexed by that. Here's the point, here's

970
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: the good news. He's only twenty eight years old. He's

971
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: familiar with the division because he played for the Jets

972
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: two years ago. That's a good veteran option. Yeah, that's

973
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: a good veteran option. If he gets off free agency.

974
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some guys out there that the Bills

975
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: would covet. You know, can you fit it in seven

976
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand for the guys? Something's up. I mean,

977
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: you have to give him a physical even to see

978
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: if he's even physically able to play. There's a reason

979
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: for that.

980
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Roster bonus do on March sixteenth, seven hundred and fifty k.

981
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: They already told him they're not gonna pay it, and

982
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: he signed when he signed with them when the Jet

983
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: when he got signed away from the Jets by the Bucks,

984
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: it was two years.

985
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: Nine million dollars.

986
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: You can pay this guy probably four million, maybe four

987
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: and a half million, yeah, five tops, and you could

988
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: get him in your building.

989
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's do some We got to find out if

990
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: he's worth it. But yeah, that's the player we've talked

991
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: about it. There's gonna be some guys out there and

992
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna be really good options. And how much cap

993
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: use cap room you have is gonna dictate how high

994
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: quality guy you can get. That's all there is to it.

995
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: The point here is you don't have to break the

996
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: bank to bring a proven veteran safety in like Jordan whitehad,

997
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: who's only twenty eight years old.

998
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: That's right, Pitt Grad.

999
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: He's from Aliquippa, which is cornerback central. It's Darrell Reeves's hometown,

1000
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: Ty Law's hometown. A ton of corners have come out

1001
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: of that city.

1002
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: Last year.

1003
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: His numbers were played in twelve games, three pass breakups,

1004
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: no I INT's had seventy nine tackles, two for lost

1005
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: quarterback hit. So not super productive, which may be the reason.

1006
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: But you need a veteran like that in your group.

1007
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: And we know how Sean McDermott operates too. He likes

1008
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: to have a veteran in every position room on his roster. Now,

1009
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Taylor rap is also part of that equation too. But

1010
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: you even heard Charles say it when we just had

1011
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: him on. It gets hurt a lot because he throws

1012
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: his body around so much.

1013
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know if a.

1014
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: Guy like that can suddenly change his style of play

1015
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: to preserve his body. It's just it's almost like it

1016
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: doesn't compute for a player like that when they've been

1017
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: playing that well, that way for that long.

1018
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, when I think about it, and

1019
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: you like we saw it last year, when you get

1020
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, you get all these wide receivers that nobody

1021
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: knows about. You know, the mac collins is the world

1022
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: and the you know, Curtis Samuel's of the world, and

1023
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, these guys coming in and we didn't know

1024
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: yet guys I don't know. But then as per usual,

1025
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not being facetious at all, they get their

1026
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: best football played in Buffalo for Sean McDermott and his staff.

1027
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: So you transpose that onto other players who have come here.

1028
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: We can go down the list again and again. But

1029
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: the guys play best when they're in Buffalo. Sean mcdermot's culture,

1030
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: the way they treat these guys, what they ask of them,

1031
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: how they handle them off the field, gets the most

1032
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: out of most of these guys. So if you've got

1033
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: a guy like this coming out of Tampa Bay as

1034
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: a safety and they let him go. You can bet

1035
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a spot where he's going to play

1036
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: better in Buffalo than he did there. That's that's the

1037
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,959
Speaker 1: way I got to spin this if you're a Bills fan,

1038
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: and that's I'm telling you, that's what Sean mcdermot's how

1039
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott feels about it. When they sign these guys too,

1040
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: they look at him and say, listen, we're gonna do

1041
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: more with less. We're gonna do more for you. And

1042
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: that's why they are, you know, that's why there are

1043
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: where they are ever at the end of That's why

1044
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: they pick twenty eighth, twenty ninth, thirtieth and thirty first

1045
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: every year, you know, with thirtieth every year. So we'll see.

1046
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, there is that in this free agent class.

1047
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: And you know, when we get back from the combine

1048
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: and next week we start thinking about this, we're gonna

1049
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: go and there's gonna start being some names that are

1050
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: that are gonna be Buffalo Bills in the next month

1051
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: or so, and uh, I think Bill's fans are gonna

1052
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: be excited about it.

1053
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but when we

1054
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: begin hour number two after the break, it's gonna be

1055
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: involving some more draft talk as we're joined by ESPN

1056
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: NFL Draft analyst Jordan Reed.

1057
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: It's gonna sit between us and kind of.

1058
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: Lay out some of the prospect profiles he has on

1059
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: some of the better players in this draft to factor

1060
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 2: into Round one and beyond. We'll catch up with Jordan

1061
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: next here on One Bill's Line. I'm presented by Colida Health.

1062
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1063
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Kaleida Health.

1064
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Live here at the NFL

1065
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: Combine in Indie. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker, please to be

1066
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: joined by ESPN NFL Draft analyst Jordan Reid and Jordan

1067
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: I want to begin with an overarching look at this

1068
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five class, and I've been asking a lot

1069
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: of people this question. We saw the Chiefs a couple

1070
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: of years ago with their twenty twenty two class.

1071
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: The Trent McDuffie group pretty.

1072
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: Much refortify their entire defensive side of the ball in

1073
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: one draft class. I know there were some free agent

1074
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: signings as well, but they did a remarkable job in

1075
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: one year of revamping the defense and going with young

1076
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: players with the defensive talent in this class upfront, a

1077
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: defensive line on the backhand, at safety in corner. Do

1078
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: you think a team like the Bills, who need to

1079
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: refortify their defense could pull off the same kind of thing.

1080
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1081
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I've been saying this to everybody.

1082
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 7: We could see as many as ten to twelve defensive

1083
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 7: lineman go in the first round. This is the best

1084
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 7: defensive line class overall since twenty nineteen.

1085
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 5: And if you remember, with.

1086
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 7: That class, they had guys like Nick Bosa, Brian Burns,

1087
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 7: Dexter Lawrence, the list, Christian Wilkins, the list goes on

1088
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 7: and on of how many productive players came out of.

1089
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: That draft class of that draft year.

1090
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 7: So the Bills, a team that obviously needs to add

1091
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 7: some depth and some marquee talent up front along the

1092
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 7: defensive line.

1093
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 5: I would even entertain double dipping at the position.

1094
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: Who's yeah, we were thinking. We've been talking about that

1095
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: as well. Who are the game wreckers? And there's got

1096
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: to be a handful of guys that maybe is there.

1097
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: I know they're all first round picks and all of that,

1098
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: and they might fall or shuffle around debating on what

1099
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: year you compare them to. But who are the real

1100
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: game wreckers in this draft on defensive line?

1101
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean within the range of the Bills. Some

1102
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 7: names that I would remember is Walter Noland of Ole Miss.

1103
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 7: He's one Stylistically, he's very similar to Ed Oliver when

1104
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 7: he was coming out of Houston. You guys have had

1105
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 7: plenty of experience with him, considering that he's on the

1106
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 7: Bills roster, but has some work to do as far

1107
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 7: as run defense. Needs to be more consistent in that area.

1108
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 7: But he's the most explosive pass rusher and this year's

1109
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 7: draft class. Outside of that, Derek Harmon out of Oregon

1110
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 7: is another name that I think could end up going

1111
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 7: in the back end of the first round. And then

1112
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 7: you're getting into some lower profile names. But those two

1113
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 7: or two guys that I definitely would look to target

1114
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 7: if I were the Bills.

1115
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: Do you expect and I'm gonna compare. I want you

1116
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: to compare and contrast defensive tackle class to defend end class.

1117
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: Do you expect more edge guys to come off the

1118
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: board through the course of round one than defensive tackle?

1119
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: Because I'm trying to.

1120
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Think of value here for Buffalo at thirty, and if

1121
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: everybody's going for the edge guys early, well then maybe

1122
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 2: that value is the sweet spot for defensive tackle at thirty.

1123
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: How is there a discernible difference between the edge class

1124
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: and the defensive tackle class where you say, you know what,

1125
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: some more edge guys are gonna probably go earlier.

1126
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 7: Not really, there's really really the same difference between the

1127
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 7: two as far as the number that could go in

1128
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 7: the first round. Now after that it gets a little

1129
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 7: bit sketchy. I believe the edge depth is better than

1130
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 7: the defensive tackle depp. So we can get into day

1131
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 7: two and day three. But from a Bill's perspective, I

1132
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 7: will be more comfortable taking a defensive tackle early and

1133
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 7: then coming back and getting an edge rusher as opposed.

1134
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 5: To the opposite.

1135
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now Brownie and I have talked about, you know,

1136
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: the Bills have thirtieth pick, the fifty six and the

1137
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: sixty second pick, So either getting a D lineman with

1138
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: thirty and fifty six or thirty and sixty two, or

1139
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: vice verst some combination thereof the other position might be

1140
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this just today, might be an

1141
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: outside corner, you know, because they're gonna have to do

1142
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: their their back end of their defense as well as

1143
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: the front end. So get two d linemen there that

1144
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: can play, and then get an outside corner. And if

1145
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy at thirtieth and if they're

1146
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna go corner, outside corner because there's they know there's

1147
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna be some guys going deeper. You know, give us

1148
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: an idea of a range of a guy that may

1149
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: be on the board at thirty for the Bills to take,

1150
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: or if somebody maybe slides a little bit, they jump

1151
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: up a couple of slots. Well the Grandon Bean does

1152
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: that all?

1153
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Well.

1154
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 7: The great thing for the Bills, especially being at thirty,

1155
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 7: is that there's a cluster of late first or early.

1156
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 5: Second round grade guys.

1157
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 7: And you know a couple of names I'll give you

1158
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 7: as Maxwell Harriston out of Kentucky, azari A. Thomas out

1159
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 7: of Florida State is another name. Savonne Revel out of

1160
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 7: ECU is another name, and even Benjamin Morrison out of

1161
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 7: Notre Dame. Those are your friends, late first early second

1162
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 7: round guys. So I think if the Bills want to

1163
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 7: take one at thirty, they could be in range to

1164
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 7: get one of those guys at that spot. So the

1165
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 7: corner depth there isn't that marquee talent at the top

1166
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 7: of my opinion, like a bonafly top five guy. And

1167
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 7: I know a lot of people view Will Johnson out

1168
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 7: of Michigan in that light, but he was banged up

1169
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 7: last year and didn't have a great end to the

1170
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 7: season last year this past season, I should say. So,

1171
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 7: there's a lot of question marks about this cornerback class,

1172
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 7: but that could play it to the hands perfectly for Buffalo.

1173
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: And knowing when you're picking thirty, you're gonna have to

1174
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: pivot a lot because a lot's gonna happen in front

1175
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: of you, knowing you have two second round picks, granted

1176
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: low in the round because you got Minnesota's in your

1177
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: own but knowing you have those two second round picks,

1178
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: to your point about some of the day to depth

1179
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: that's in this class, you can go corner and not

1180
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: feel like you're out to lunch on your defensive front, right,

1181
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 2: because even at the end of round two, there still

1182
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: should be some good options defensive line wise.

1183
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1184
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 3: That's a feasible approach.

1185
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, It just depends on how highly they have

1186
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 7: each position graded and what they're gonna do in their

1187
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 7: draft room and say, hey, do you feel more comfortable

1188
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 7: taking the corner first and then getting the lineman or

1189
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 7: the d lineman in the corner first? Which one of

1190
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 7: these players of which organization of these players do you

1191
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 7: feel most comfortable about?

1192
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 5: And how high do we have each on our draft?

1193
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: It might just come down to where they have him

1194
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: slotted one guy as well, this guy fell to here,

1195
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: and this guy it's a little bit of a reach

1196
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: to grab him there, And it may just come down

1197
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: to that they just feel like one player is more

1198
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: valuable in that spot or it's going to be a

1199
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: better pro at the thirtieth pick. How do you see

1200
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: teams handling this? A little bit of a conundrum where

1201
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: you've got these this deep class at one position and

1202
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, Philly doesn't need that,

1203
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, So how do you see teams? How do

1204
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: you handle that? If you're a team that is one

1205
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: of those teams that like, wow, we really need a

1206
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: quarterback this year and we have no shot.

1207
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've always said if I were a GM, I

1208
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 7: would always take the best player available. That makes sense,

1209
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 7: and even if you already have a loaded D line

1210
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 7: or a loaded receiver corps or whatever. Go ahead and

1211
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 7: take that player. Don't ever pass up talent for a need.

1212
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 7: I just believe that's a bad approach if you're a

1213
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 7: GM or somebody working in scouting department, just because if

1214
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 7: I can add.

1215
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 5: The player that I have valued higher or.

1216
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 7: Have rated highest on my board, I'm gonna go ahead

1217
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 7: and take that player, just because now I'm creating depth

1218
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 7: at a position, as opposed to pigeonholing myself into saying, hey,

1219
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 7: we have to take a quarter here, we have to take.

1220
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 5: A dlignment here. I just think that's a bad approach.

1221
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: The Bills do not have a third round pick.

1222
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: They have two fours, and they have two two's, They're

1223
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: probably gonna have two fives, and they have two sixes.

1224
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: My question, though, is where do you see a sharp

1225
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: drop off at a number of positions in this class.

1226
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: Does it happen between round three and four?

1227
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: And if so, would that prompt the Bills perhaps to

1228
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: maybe parlay those two fours to get back into the

1229
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: third to maybe get some of that last bit you

1230
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: know of potential starting caliber talent.

1231
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think once you get into early to me

1232
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 7: fourth round, that's where we start to see a bit

1233
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 7: of a precipitous drop off this year's draft class. So

1234
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 7: I like your idea of parlaying those two fours moving up,

1235
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 7: you know, maybe late or early third round or somewhere

1236
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 7: in that range, just because now you're starting to create

1237
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 7: a lot of depth on your roster. And then hey,

1238
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 7: maybe there's a player we have valued inside of our

1239
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 7: top fifty and now he's slipping inside the top seventy

1240
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 7: five or top eighty picks or something like that, and

1241
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 7: we could backage those two fours and move up to

1242
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 7: get another third round pick.

1243
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: In the back end of the defense, we've talked about

1244
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: corner and some of the guys that might be there.

1245
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: The safety is also another thing. Demorrow Hamlin's is out

1246
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: of contract. They've got a young guy and Cole Bishop

1247
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: back there, and of course Taylor Rapp is back there,

1248
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: but they need some bodies, right, So you know, we're

1249
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: talking about the safeties that might be available at thirty

1250
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: or even into the fifties, sixty fifty sixth pick or

1251
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: the sixty second pick.

1252
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, there's no marquee name at the top

1253
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 7: of this draft class. But once again, that's gonna work

1254
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 7: in the Bill's favor because my two highest greatest safeties

1255
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 7: are Malachoy Starks of Georgia and also nick em Worry

1256
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 7: out of South Carolina, who I've been a big proponent of,

1257
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 7: and I think he's gonna be one of the freakiest

1258
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 7: testers here. So he's probably even gonna be on the board,

1259
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 7: and the Bills and.

1260
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: Warri say he's got. He's an elite athlete, great ball skills,

1261
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: he tackles well, plays with great awareness. He's a total package.

1262
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 7: War jumps, Yeah, he's probably gonna run in the high

1263
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 7: four threes, a low four fourst He's gonna jump forty

1264
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 7: plus from the vertical in the end, it would not

1265
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 7: be surprising if he exceeds eleven feet or more in

1266
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 7: the broad jump. So that's probably gonna position himself to

1267
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 7: go well before thirty. But he will be a great

1268
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: fit in Buffalo just because he's a jack of all trades.

1269
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 5: He reminds me a lot of Jeremy Chin when he

1270
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 5: was coming out.

1271
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: He's a better super athlete.

1272
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 5: He's a better athlete in.

1273
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 7: Game as far as how lucif a mover, he is

1274
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 7: than Chin. Just because he can play on the roof

1275
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 7: of the defense. But also he could come down and

1276
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 7: play in the slot too.

1277
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about NFL trends because we

1278
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: see sometimes how the game is being played shift the

1279
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: priorities in the draft in terms of body type, size

1280
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: and things of that nature. You know, the Bills for

1281
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: the majority of the time are in nickel defense. It's

1282
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: technically their base defense they play at almost ninety five

1283
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: percent of the time. But Arreon Johnson is thirty years old. Yeah,

1284
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: and teams take guards and pull them around and crack

1285
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: on Arran in the run game, and look, that guy's

1286
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: a dog.

1287
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of wear and tear there.

1288
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: And we saw a proliferation of the run game, a

1289
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: resurgence of the run game this year in the league.

1290
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: Do you think the pendulum starts to swing back on

1291
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 2: defense to players with a little more girth, a little

1292
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: more size emon worry as an example, a two hundred

1293
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: and twenty seven pounds safety. I mean, you'd be hard

1294
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: pressed to find five of those in the league right now.

1295
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: But it feels like the pendulum swinging back that way.

1296
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if teams start playing more big nickel

1297
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: and if that increases the priority on larger safeties going forward.

1298
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we're already seeing And if you think

1299
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 7: of those guys on the slot, like a Kyle Hamilton

1300
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 7: in Baltimore, they wanted that length and just that physicality

1301
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 7: in the slot. And that's why I said somebody like

1302
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 7: an EMN Warrior would be great. Kevin Winston out of

1303
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 7: Penn State. One of my personal favorites Initiear's draft is

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Speaker 7: Andrew mccooba out of Texas, who was originally at Clemson.

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Speaker 7: Getting him somewhere in the third round, if they package

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Speaker 7: both of those scores and move up, getting somebody like

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Speaker 7: a mccooba would be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mccooba is you can tell you watch him on film,

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Speaker 1: you feel like he's gonna be a really good pro player.

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Speaker 1: For he's gonna be one of those guys's gonna have

1311
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Speaker 1: an eight ten year career, gonna place a lot of football.

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Speaker 1: Even if he's not an All Pro or a Pro Bowler.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy's like, yeah, you just plug him in,

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Speaker 1: forget him. He's never gonna cost you, and he's not

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Speaker 1: never gonna cost you a game. That kind of I

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: don't know that he's gonna be a guy who can

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Speaker 1: be a Pro bowler, be an all Pro, but he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be playing pro football for a long time. That's

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Speaker 1: where I got out of him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and especially somebody that's been productive at two blue

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 7: blood programs like Clemson when he had a breakout freshman

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Speaker 7: year and then went on to have a great season

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Speaker 7: at Texas last year. That type of stuff is always

1324
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Speaker 7: going to give them extra points in the draft room,

1325
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Speaker 7: just because if you have success at two programs like that,

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Speaker 7: you're probably going to be a productive pro and the

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Speaker 7: next level.

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Speaker 5: And the great thing about Macouba is that he.

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Speaker 7: Can be interchangeable in the back end, which is something

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Speaker 7: that the Bills do very frequently with their safety. So

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Speaker 7: him having that interchangeable ability and then also having ball skills,

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Speaker 7: having a career high five interceptions last season, he's everything

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Speaker 7: that you want in the back end.

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Speaker 2: Who needs to do some convincing here in the testing

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Speaker 2: that might be considered, you know, somewhere that could come

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Speaker 2: off the board in late round one, but short of

1337
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: a stellar workout, is probably looking at themselves as a

1338
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Speaker 2: Day two pick who might have something to prove in

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Speaker 2: the testing here.

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Speaker 7: This week, two receivers come to mind for me. The

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Speaker 7: first one is Luther Burden. The third the wide Receiver

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Speaker 7: out of Miszoo. He had a great year in twenty

1343
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Speaker 7: twenty three, but production really slipped in twenty twenty four

1344
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Speaker 7: for him. They had a lot of inconsistent moments at quarterback,

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Speaker 7: so got quite frustrated.

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Speaker 5: With that a lot.

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Speaker 7: You can see that on film with him. But the

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Speaker 7: big question that Scott's have about him is just how

1349
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 7: fast is he? That's going to be the big debate

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Speaker 7: about him. And then the other is Isaiah Bond, the

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Speaker 7: wide receiver ride of Texas, who was sensational a couple

1352
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Speaker 7: of years ago at Alabama and then last year got

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 7: hurt and then just kind of fell out of favor

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 7: with a lot of people there at Texas and this

1355
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 7: production slipped. So the big thing with him is just

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Speaker 7: how consistent he can be as a hand sketcher.

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Speaker 5: We know he can fly, so they got off the drill.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be huge for him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give us an idea of you know, I've asked

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Speaker 1: everybody we've had on the show that we've said, what's

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Speaker 1: the top of this draft? Look like you got Tennessee

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: up there, Cleveland, The Giants We're starting to get the

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Speaker 1: idea Tennessee's probably not gonna make the number one pick

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Speaker 1: in this draft, but they might they might like one

1365
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Speaker 1: of these guys, you know, one of these edge rushing whatever.

1366
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Speaker 1: But how do you Travis Hunter? Yeah? Right, So what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts about how the top of this draft's

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna fall and who might be those guys that handful

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Speaker 1: of guys at the top.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'll just start with Tennessee and it comes down

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Speaker 7: to one question and one question only for them and

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Speaker 7: new general manager Mike Bergonzi. Is he comfortable really tying

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 7: his tenure in year one to one of these quarterbacks

1374
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Speaker 7: at the top of the draft. If he's not, then

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 7: he should look to trade back. But if you can't

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Speaker 7: find a trade partner, you take one of abdu Carter

1377
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Speaker 7: or a Travis Hunter. It's as simple as that to me,

1378
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 7: Especially when you're not comfortable taking one of these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 7: don't force a decision at that position just because you're

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 7: going to be attached to one of these guys forever,

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 7: and just because you have a knee at the position,

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 7: that doesn't necessarily mean that you have to pigeonhole yourself

1383
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 7: into taking one of these guys at the top.

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Speaker 1: So if you are GM, what do you tell your

1385
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: head coach? What do you tell him about Travis Hunter?

1386
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: How to use him.

1387
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 5: He's rare to me.

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 7: He's clearing away the best player in the draft to me,

1389
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 7: and I've been using this comparison for him for everybody

1390
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 7: that I talk to. He is exactly like Champ Bailey

1391
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 7: when he was coming out of Georgia in the late nineties.

1392
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 7: He's the only other player over the past few decades

1393
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 7: to average over one hundred snaps a game playing both ways,

1394
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 7: and Travis his instinctual ability, his ball skills. I would

1395
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 7: play him full time at corner and then I would

1396
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Speaker 7: play him sparingly at receiver, sprinkling in maybe twenty to

1397
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 7: twenty five plays a game, just because outside of Troy

1398
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 7: Brown when he was with Belichick in New England, I've

1399
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 7: never really seen a player go both ways full time

1400
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 7: as a receiver and then play as a corner. That's

1401
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 7: really the only instance that I could think of, But

1402
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 7: you can think of plenty examples of a guy playing

1403
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 7: full time at corner and then sprinkling in some plays

1404
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 7: at receiver. So I would play him full time at

1405
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 7: corner and then I would build a package for him

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Speaker 7: at receiver.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jordan, thanks very much for the time. We

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: appreciate the insight. All right, enjoy the rest of the

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: run up to the draft. We know this is like

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: Christmas for you this time of year. We appreciate the time.

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01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,000
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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,560
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Speaker 3: All right, So that's Jordan Reed joining us here.

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: And I was interested because we got some of our

1416
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: first receiver talk thus far. And Isaiah Bond is a

1417
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: guy that flies. You heard he's gonna time well, but

1418
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: he's got to show he's got good hands. Gauntlet drill

1419
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: is going to be big for him. You were asking

1420
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: one of our other guests about Matthew Golden the Texas,

1421
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: another Texas receiver, and we were watching him on tape

1422
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, he's gonna time fast.

1423
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: Does he play fast too, because there is a difference there.

1424
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: You can be fast on the watch, but maybe not

1425
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 2: even play that fast when you play the game. Because

1426
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: when receivers think they slow down and that's something to

1427
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: be mindful of as well. And nowadays with the next

1428
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: gen stats technology where they can track these guys, they

1429
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: can get top speeds during games on these players and

1430
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Speaker 2: compare and contrast that to whatever the heck the forty

1431
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Speaker 2: time is.

1432
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always look at the guys on films or data.

1433
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: Do they run away from guys, do they get run down?

1434
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: They outrun angles? And you see some really fast guys

1435
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: who look really fast on the field, and then there's

1436
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: guys who you think are supposed to be really fast

1437
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: who get run down every once in a while and

1438
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: don't and don't leave guys behind, don't outrun angles. So

1439
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: you wonder if they play as fast as they're actually

1440
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: as they actually are. There's something in that, And we're

1441
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see. Matthew Golden's a guy

1442
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna watch in the forties see how

1443
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: fast he is. But you're right, I think if you're

1444
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna get somebody, I would anticipate the bills are gonna

1445
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: get somebody who's very fast.

1446
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: Yes, but let's not forget this.

1447
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, in case you're wondering, receivers don't

1448
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: even get here until Friday, and I don't think they

1449
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 2: test until the weekend, so we're gonna be waiting on

1450
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: that for.

1451
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1452
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: But I want to go back to what Sean McDermott

1453
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: told us about speed, speed and small.

1454
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: No.

1455
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: He said, so you're not getting a smurf receiver that

1456
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: they don't want that. They want a fast guy who

1457
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 2: also has at least functional size.

1458
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: You know, you right about it.

1459
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Speaker 3: That's then I think that goes up for cornerback too.

1460
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Speaker 1: That goes back this to the draft last year. Worthyes, fast,

1461
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: he's small, fast, not big. Yeah, And that's why I

1462
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: think that's why the Bills turned it. And that's what

1463
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: you get it here. You get philosophies that that conflict

1464
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: that obviously the Chiefs don't care. They don't, you know.

1465
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: And and look, I I wouldn't be surprised if some

1466
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: teams in the draft last year that needed speeded receiver

1467
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: shied away from smaller, slighter framed players because of what

1468
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: happened to Tank Dell last year. Now, he wasn't a

1469
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: first round pick, he was a third round pick. Tank

1470
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: Dell was tearing it up for the Texans as a

1471
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: rookie Week nine, he breaks his leg and he's out

1472
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Speaker 2: for the rest of the year.

1473
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: Just and then what happened this year? He got hurt

1474
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 3: again this year and the Chiefs game and missed the

1475
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: rest of the season. Now, I'll say this, there's a

1476
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: reason for it.

1477
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Speaker 4: Worthy.

1478
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: He made it through the whole season, all the way

1479
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl nineteen games and played a ton

1480
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: of a ton of snaps. I mean, and you know,

1481
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: so there's there's no predicting it, but you can general

1482
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: well it, you can generally, and there's always exceptions to generalizations.

1483
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: Some players are small, tiny, very fast, and they can

1484
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: do it. They stay healthy, they stay in one piece,

1485
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: they stay on the field, and available larger part of

1486
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: them do not. Yeah, it's that simple.

1487
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: Then we could go all the way back to the

1488
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: days of Roscoe Paris with the Bills, dynamic, elusive player,

1489
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: but you get hurt a lot and miss time on

1490
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: the field, and you could talk about how much safety

1491
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: has been incorporated into the game, and how it's a

1492
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: safer game now than it was twenty twenty five years ago.

1493
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 3: Still a big man's game. It's played by big, strong, powerful,

1494
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: fast people.

1495
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: Big guys who are fast, big and strong always get

1496
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: drafted small guys who are fast don't, and so the

1497
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: league fills up a lot, and they fill up with big,

1498
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: fast dudes, and sooner or later that's a benefit or

1499
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: a detriment.

1500
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, I think that fast is

1501
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: going to apply to the cornerback and safety position as well.

1502
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: They're not gonna have a five to nine safety that

1503
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: runs a four to three eight out there, right, they

1504
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: want a six foot one safety that goes two hundred

1505
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: and eight pounds.

1506
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,480
Speaker 1: Hundred plus round pounds, yeah.

1507
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 3: And runs a four to three eighth. So they're gonna

1508
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: be selective.

1509
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: It's very clear to me that yes, they want to

1510
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: add speed to their roster, but they're gonna do it

1511
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: in a very selective way here going forward.

1512
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a safety in NICKI mon Warry. I'd

1513
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: love to see him run a forty what's he gonna

1514
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: run it in?

1515
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: Well, Jordan just told us he's gonna run in the

1516
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 3: four fours low.

1517
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: Four six feet three inches tall and weighs two to

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Speaker 1: twenty seven and he.

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: Said he's gonna vertical leap forty inches.

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: So how do you like that?

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: Going up for a jump ball on a deep corner raft?

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's that's what you're up against.

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: Right, But he's one of one. There's nobody else like

1524
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 3: him in the draft at the safety position.

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01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: Right, he's gonna go early, and I fear he's gonna

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: go if he slips significantly.

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: Before he slips, the Bills jump up to get that guy.

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: That's the guy that Bills jump into the low twenties

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: to get.

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll put it on the whiteboard.

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: Put it on the white board.

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: All right, we gotta take a break here.

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're gonna be joined by NFL

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: Network analyst, former Front office NFL executive Mark Ross.

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01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pop in here.

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01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: We'll ask him some front office off season to do

1537
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: list type questions in addition to some draft stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up with Mark next here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by co Lot of Health.

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Speaker 6: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live here at

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker.

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: Please to be joined now by NFL Network draft analyst.

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: Actually you analyzed the entirely Former front office executive Mark

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: Ross joining us here and we want to remind you

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01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: Ticketmaster is the title spot of this year's NFL scouting

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: combine coverage. Ticket Master the official ticketing partner of the

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01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 2: NFL and the Buffalo Bills. All right, how you doing here, Mark, Uh,

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: We're getting right back into it.

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01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 3: It's wonderful the season ended and here we go.

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is great. Solving everybody's problems here these three hours.

1552
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 4: I feel good.

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to begin with a side like top priorities

1556
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: in your estimation for the Bills, because aside from becoming

1557
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: cap compliant, it was just about everybody in the league's

1558
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: got to do these days because everybody seems to be

1559
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 2: over even though the cap went up a lot bigger

1560
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: than people expected. What do you see as kind of

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: like top off season priorities for the Bills, especially in

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01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: light of the way the season ended, you know in

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 2: Kansas City.

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01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 4: That's you know, you're you're so close.

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01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 9: I mean, it's I know, you guys going through this

1566
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 9: every year, and yeah, it's what is it to get

1567
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 9: over to hump? And you know, I really don't think

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 9: it's a player or it's just circumstances to get y'all

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01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 9: over there.

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: You have the team yet team.

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 9: I mean, you're not watching that game and saying, if

1572
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 9: we just had that, we beat them like you had them,

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01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 9: you had them.

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the tough part, and.

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: That's frustrating part about having that happened. Yeah, a couple

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: of years out of five that we've been there.

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,480
Speaker 9: Ye know, it'd be one thing if you got bulldozed

1578
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 9: on the you know, get they running down your throat

1579
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 9: or something.

1580
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 4: Okay, you gotta get stout up front, or.

1581
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: Even have a game like the Chiefs did in the

1582
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, there's none of those games on

1583
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: the resume.

1584
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 9: So just just keep building it and trying to get

1585
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 9: good players in there and attack the best value where

1586
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 9: you are as far as don't overspending free agency and

1587
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 9: where you're sitting down ever at thirty and let's just

1588
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 9: take the best player here and throughout the draft and.

1589
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 4: Just just keep building that talent level.

1590
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: Then hopefully the common narrative for Buffalo is you know

1591
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: they I mean, when the when the regular season Super

1592
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: Bowl was over, the Bills scored more points than any

1593
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: team in the league. They knocked it out of the

1594
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: park offensively, came in with a lot of question marks

1595
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball at the skill positions,

1596
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: but their offensive line was back, it stayed healthy, They

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01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: ran the ball extremely well. They were like forty nine

1598
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: to fifty one run so they were balanced on the

1599
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. And they can run it

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Speaker 1: back now too, as where they couldn't last year in

1601
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: a bigger measure. They can run it back even at

1602
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 1: the skill positions. So it kind of during the narrative

1603
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: this offseason kind of focuses on the defensive side of

1604
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: the ball. You got some contracts, you got to replace,

1605
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: some one year deals that you got to replace. The

1606
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: rosters depleted, and luckily this draft class shows up.

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 9: And I think when I did watch the Bills last year,

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 9: I think another couple of cover guys could show to

1610
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 9: another level. This is a strong group of corners in

1611
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 9: my opinion. This guys have evaluated another pass rusher there.

1612
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,839
Speaker 9: I know some of those young guys have shown flashes

1613
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 9: but haven't really produced a consistency like y'all have woned.

1614
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 9: So that there's a good group there you can get

1615
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 9: someone to hit on. And you know, I think with

1616
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 9: Sean being a defensive defensive guy, you know get that

1617
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 9: side of the ball. And as you mentioned about the offense,

1618
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 9: it's just all the question marks coming into the season,

1619
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 9: especially with the receiver group. And I saw Adam Henry

1620
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 9: this morning, the receiver coach I worked with at the Giants,

1621
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 9: and said, man, you should have been the coach of

1622
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 9: the year with which you did with that group there

1623
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 9: with all the question marks coming in there. So, yeah,

1624
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 9: the offense is going to be stellar again. Of course

1625
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 9: the Cook situation that worked that out. But as long

1626
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 9: as Josh is back there, you know you're going to

1627
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 9: be at this level in the top two or three

1628
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 9: in the league.

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 4: Is just can you get to that level?

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01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: All right?

1631
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: So let me pose this to you because you said

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01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: the edge class pretty good, cornerback class it's pretty good.

1633
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: Defensive tackle class is good, and they're going to need

1634
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: one or two of those because some you got some

1635
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: older players aging out, you got some free agents in

1636
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: that position for the Bills as well. We saw the

1637
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: Chiefs back in twenty two with that Trent McDuffie class

1638
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: basically rebuild their offense with defense with one draft class

1639
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 2: they rebuilt. It is this class deep enough at edge,

1640
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: defensive tackle, and corner for the Bills to do something

1641
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 2: similar with what's anticipated to be ten picks here.

1642
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing.

1643
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 9: And we saw the Eagles last year as well, their

1644
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 9: secondary with Quinya Mitchell and Comfort dejen and you know

1645
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 9: even the last four four years, got to hit on

1646
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,839
Speaker 9: the picks. That's the philosophies. Everybody has a philosophy everybody.

1647
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 9: You just got to hit on them. And there's no

1648
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 9: secret to it. You hit on the players. It doesn't

1649
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 9: matter where you take it. You know who you're taking

1650
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 9: or what's you're taking. It's gonna help your team if

1651
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 9: you crush these picks. So yes, in theory if you can,

1652
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 9: but you have to hit on these picks.

1653
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: That brings up the theory. We were just talking to

1654
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell, who's you know, he comes on with us

1655
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: once in a while, and you know, we all know Greg,

1656
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: and we're talking about getting a guy in this draft

1657
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: and and the Bills have a great guy that's a

1658
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 1: perfect example of this in Christian Benford. Sixth round guy.

1659
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: But he fits the scheme right, He's got the traits

1660
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: and he fits the scheme. In your view, how how

1661
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: big a mesh point is there between getting a guy

1662
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: who is going to be the right character, the right

1663
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: skill set, and then finding a guy who he may

1664
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: not he may, but he may you know, uh, just

1665
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: bail out of this team. They he may fail with

1666
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: their team, but in this defense he excels. You know,

1667
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: how big a you know, a thought process is that

1668
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: and how big a factor is that?

1669
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 9: Well, it's it's always great, you know, in the lower rounds,

1670
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 9: the mid to lower rounds, to get those guys, Okay,

1671
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 9: do they fit, what do they do well for us?

1672
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 9: How can we use them? But really the important thing

1673
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 9: is the first and second round. You got to get

1674
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 9: impact players. And that's really what you're looking at with

1675
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 9: the Bills over the last four years. Have they gotten

1676
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 9: enough impact players in the first and second round? And

1677
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 9: when you look at that, you have to say, no,

1678
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 9: you know that's been If they hit on even half

1679
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 9: of those guys, you might be in a different situation too.

1680
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 3: Very good players but not impact.

1681
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this too, Greg told assistant. We hear

1682
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: this all the time. How many guys are truly first

1683
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: round talent? Greg said in his estimation this year, maybe

1684
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: only ten. But you got to draft thirty two in

1685
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: the first round, and the Bills are all. You know,

1686
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: this year they're thirtieth. Last year they twenty eight. The

1687
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: year before that they were twenty. They traded up to

1688
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: get to twenty what three? So it's even though you

1689
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: may be in the first round, there may not be

1690
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: a guy who's a game wrecker or a game changer

1691
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: in that round. But like I said, to pick somebody,

1692
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: you gotta pick somebody, gotta take it, and then if

1693
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: you can get a very good player at thirty, that

1694
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: helps your team. But yeah, there's always that just because

1695
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: you're picking thirty doesn't mean the guy you take isn't

1696
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: better than the guy that take taking it fifteen. So

1697
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: there there still is that you know, hey, this guy's

1698
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: better than all these guys that got taken.

1699
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: We made the right selection here.

1700
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: Being a former front office guy, we saw a contract

1701
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,959
Speaker 2: extension for khalilshak here tuesday. I'm not certain the contract

1702
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: will help them in terms of easing the cap burden.

1703
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see how it's structured. But

1704
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean did say the other day that extensions could

1705
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: help them with their cap situation going forward, leading us

1706
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: to believe there are more on the horizon here with

1707
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: their young core, Whether it's James Cook, Terrell Bernard, maybe

1708
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: Greg Russou who's on his fifty year option with a

1709
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: fatter number than maybe they want. Question few is knowing

1710
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: they're about ten million over right now as it stands,

1711
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 2: perhaps even more with the Shakir extension. How many extensions

1712
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: for players in their young core do you believe are realistic?

1713
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Knowing their cap constraints? How did you always kind of

1714
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 2: navigate that?

1715
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that was you have to prioritize, And that's

1716
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 9: what you do when you got your whole staff together

1717
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 9: there with your cap guy, and you're talking about, all right, well,

1718
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 9: here's our blue chip guys, here's our green, here's our red,

1719
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 9: here's our expendables. And that's really what Brandon is looking

1720
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 9: at with Sean and saying, we can't lose these this

1721
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 9: group here, the top tier group. We have to we

1722
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 9: have to keep these guys around. We'll try to get

1723
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 9: something done with this mid tier group. If we lose

1724
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 9: one or two, we're okay. And then these guys, these

1725
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 9: contracts we can get rid of. They're not helping us,

1726
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 9: They're not worth whatever we're doing. Let's cut this to

1727
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 9: help out the cap.

1728
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: All right, So let me give you a couple of

1729
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 2: those names, you tell me where you might slot them.

1730
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: Okay, you already know Shakir's in the fold, all right.

1731
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: For the next four, we got James Cook, Christian Benford,

1732
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 2: Greg Russo to rel Bernard H.

1733
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 9: Cook Benford, keep Cook, keep Cook, and the rest are

1734
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 9: in that mid mid group.

1735
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: Okay, So maybe somewhere between green and red for you.

1736
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I had. What

1737
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you was give us an

1738
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: idea too of is there guys already on the road,

1739
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: like some guys who have been blue chippers for your squad,

1740
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: but like a guy like Matt Mulano who's a blue

1741
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: chipper all pro level linebacker. But now you're starting to question,

1742
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: is he's going to be available to us for seventeen

1743
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: weeks a year. He's been injured the last couple of years.

1744
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: When he's in there, he's a difference maker. Yeah, but

1745
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: he has a ward older and injured. I says, every

1746
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:43,959
Speaker 1: is a bad combination.

1747
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, And they don't get better, they don't get younger,

1748
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 9: and they don't get healthier. And that's unfortunately the nature

1749
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 9: of you know, I first back in Philly, back of

1750
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 9: the day and uh our Joe Banner was our cab

1751
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 9: guy there, and it's like thirty. But you hit thirty

1752
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 9: and it's like, okay, we got to move on from

1753
01:21:58,479 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 9: these guys for.

1754
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: Better or for worse.

1755
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 9: But and then when you start adding the injuries onto

1756
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 9: those older guys, it's like, all right, we know Matt's

1757
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 9: done so much for them. You can't let your heart

1758
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 9: get involved.

1759
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: That's a decision, and it's also hard to sell to

1760
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: your fan base and to an owner who loves.

1761
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 9: I've seen so many mistakes with those heart and soul

1762
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 9: guys with contracts.

1763
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 4: I've seen it over and over again.

1764
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 9: You have to separate the player from the person when

1765
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 9: you're doing that.

1766
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: All right, So we've got the big one, the Josh

1767
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: Allen contract. Also, it's at a point where it's not.

1768
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: Fair market value for the league.

1769
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 2: MVP Josh isn't banging down Brandon Bean's door saying pay

1770
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: me more money, like maybe Matt Stafford is in LA.

1771
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: How as a front office man, do you navigate the

1772
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: most important contract on your roster that is also going

1773
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: to be the most expensive.

1774
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 9: Well, what is he like tenth or something now year, Yeah,

1775
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 9: he's like way down, So you have to really, and

1776
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 9: it's a good thing. He isn't complaining yet, but you

1777
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 9: always have to hope be ahead of that now. And

1778
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 9: of course whatever you pay Josh Allen, it's worth it.

1779
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 9: So you have to look at it like that. Whatever

1780
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 9: you're paid doesn't matter whether it's five hundred million. You

1781
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 9: got to pay him and you have to keep them

1782
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 9: and you have to build your roster like that. Can

1783
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 9: you get a discount for him, I don't know.

1784
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 4: I doubt it, but or.

1785
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: Maybe structure it in a way that allows you to

1786
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 2: do a couple of other things still to keep the

1787
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: talent around you, to.

1788
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 9: Do that the way that the Patriots used to do

1789
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 9: with with Brady and how so hopefully you can work

1790
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 9: those things out.

1791
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can be as creative as you want

1792
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: to be if the player's willing to work with you.

1793
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: To say, for instance, like if you're going to sign

1794
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: the guy too like a pat Mont five hundred million

1795
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: dollar deal and you guarantee him at a five hundred million,

1796
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty eight million, but you can say,

1797
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you when you're fifty.

1798
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 9: You have to size of it for sure to work together.

1799
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 9: And it seems as if Josh would be.

1800
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 4: That sort of right.

1801
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you really got it.

1802
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 4: Organization.

1803
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: You have to put some creative people on it to

1804
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: help you as long as you can while he's in

1805
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: the fold.

1806
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 2: And yes, yep, correct defensive tackle and edge to strong

1807
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: positions in this year's class.

1808
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: We know that there are.

1809
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: Shifting trends in the league that sometimes happen in terms

1810
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 2: of player position, value, position, flex hybrid type positions, and

1811
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. I've heard from more than one

1812
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: person this week talk about how with the ball getting

1813
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: out of the hands of the quarterback so quick nowadays,

1814
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: whether it's bubble screens or other things, it's harder for

1815
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: edge rushers to make a major impact on the game

1816
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: because they can't get there in time. And so some

1817
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 2: teams are talking about maybe we should shift the priority

1818
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: to a penetrating defensive tackle. Shortest distance between two points

1819
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: is a straight line. Are you hearing some of that

1820
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: and is their merit to maybe shifting your focus to

1821
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: a penetrating three technique over an impact edge rusher, because

1822
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: if the way the passing game is going.

1823
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, all well, right, but if you can only get

1824
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 10: one right, more is better. And that was really but

1825
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 10: is their merit to that argument where.

1826
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 9: They just keep loading up here, just keep getting, keep

1827
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 9: getting them as many as you can. And but yes,

1828
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 9: that has been sort of the and even some more so,

1829
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 9: get more defensive backs to take the pressure off of

1830
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 9: the so you can't get there because they're you know,

1831
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 9: the balls coming out quick, and the game has changed

1832
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 9: the way they run offense.

1833
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 4: But to me, you.

1834
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 9: Still wherever you get that guy and he's your focal point,

1835
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,560
Speaker 9: then he can impact and raise the level of the

1836
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 9: rest of the front there.

1837
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's just keep loading up, all right, you

1838
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: show up here. Combine the last one for me, what's

1839
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: your focus when you come into this thing and you

1840
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: see these guys come in, what do you really look

1841
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: for for these from a team perspective or now with

1842
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: the network, with the NFL network, Yeah, snatch yourself, put

1843
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: yourself in a head coach GM. I always the most

1844
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: important part for this was the interview portion, you know,

1845
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: the on field stuff.

1846
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 9: These guys, especially now there's trained so much to do

1847
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 9: these drills, it's not even realistic anymore. It never really

1848
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 9: was that to what they did on the field, to

1849
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 9: how they played in games, and there's been so many

1850
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 9: guys get full because of that. For me, of course,

1851
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 9: the medical stuff is important, but you know we talk

1852
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 9: about that later with our medical docs. Like either pass

1853
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 9: or failed the guy. Let's move on. It's really getting

1854
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 9: the interview process and how these players can commandle themselves

1855
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 9: when they get in the room and answer questions. Maybe

1856
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 9: some of them have had issues, how they talked through that,

1857
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 9: getting them on the board talking football, you know for

1858
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 9: sure Okay they can process it or not.

1859
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 4: That's the fun part is the interview process.

1860
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: Mark, thanks for the time, as always, we appreciate it.

1861
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you down the line here in

1862
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: the office.

1863
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:39,520
Speaker 4: My favorite.

1864
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: That's NFL Network analyst Mark Ross joining us. We'll take

1865
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: a break here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colid

1866
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Speaker 2: of Health.

1867
01:26:45,680 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on One

1868
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 3: Bills Live.

1869
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Taster at the NFL Combine in Indie

1870
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: for Day three, and Uh. Jamari Caldwell confirmed to media

1871
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: members that he met with the Bills formal interview.

1872
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: He's uh, he's built like Poona Ford was for the

1873
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: Bills two years ago. Probably a little better player right

1874
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: now than than Poona, but short wide, tough to move,

1875
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: but an athlete. And I was just watching him in

1876
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: the break, and uh, he's gonna he's gonna get shot.

1877
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna take.

1878
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 3: Him six to one, three forty and three.

1879
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: I think that's a bunch. I think we have to.

1880
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: He's actually that's taller than Poona was yea and eleven,

1881
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: and much heavier as well. But he's built that, he's

1882
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: got that body tight.

1883
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: And he's he's surprisingly light on his feet. Yeah, that

1884
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: whole d line for Oregon.

1885
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: Just take all of them. I'll be happy with that

1886
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 3: draft class.

1887
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Jordan Birch on the edge at two eighty right,

1888
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: give me Derek Harmon at the penetrating defensive tackle at

1889
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: three eighteen three twenty right, and then give me the

1890
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: space eater Jamari Caldwell at six one, three forty right.

1891
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: And I'm a happy Bills fan.

1892
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: That's right.

1893
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 3: Give me those three guys, because Caldwell you could probably get.

1894
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: In the third.

1895
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: Uh, if you use your two four's and move up

1896
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 2: into the thirty, you'll probably get him in the third.

1897
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: You use your first round pick, maybe you know, maybe

1898
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: Harmon's on the board still and you get him at

1899
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: thirty and then second round. Take Jordan Birch, get your corner. There,

1900
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 2: you're off and running.

1901
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: Baby. We've got I've got on a white board back

1902
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: in the office. The Bills draft traits. Uh that doesn't

1903
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: mean they don't sign guys who don't have perfect traits,

1904
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: Like Poonaford's a perfect example of that. They're gonna get

1905
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: some guys with a lot of length to rush the

1906
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: passer off the edge. They can, you know, they can

1907
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: get up and.

1908
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 3: Like long guys.

1909
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: They like long guys, and uh so that's gonna be

1910
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: one of the things you can you can look for

1911
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: in these guys as we're trying to decide who it

1912
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: might be.

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01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: To no one's surprised, we have another jam packed lineup

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: for tomorrow's show from The Athletic.

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01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: The author of the Draft guide.

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01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Known as the Beast, Dane Brugler, will be joining us

1917
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: here on the show. Cynthia Freeland from NFL Network and

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Steve Politzzolo from The thirty third Team.

1919
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: Front to Back.

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Speaker 2: We've got you covered again for a Thursday edition of

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Speaker 2: One Bills Live. We'll see you tomorrow at one