WEBVTT - Part Two: The Popular Olympics: Antifascist Athletes Help Stop a Coup 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.160 Hello, and welcome to Beginner's Bagpipe with Margaret Kildre. I'm 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.960 your host and Margaret Kildre and I don't know how 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.000 to play bagpipes, but today you're gonna hear me Wait, no, 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.800 hear me out? What if instead we have part two 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.720 of the Popular Olympics with James Stout on cool People 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.959 who did cool stuff? How does that sound? Everyone? Yeah, 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:30.440 more than the bagpipe ideas, James and Margaret do bagpipe 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:31.920 would be a good podcast, So I think we should 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:38.279 probably pitch that. Yeah, yeah, exactly, all right, excellent, Well, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.160 we just got to get through this and then from 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.199 now on we're only playing bagpipes and annoying my neighbors 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.959 in the mountains. Because that's the fun thing about if 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.280 I started playing bagpipes is that I live in the 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.240 mountains and it will echo. Was going to expense it too, 0:00:54.480 --> 0:01:00.920 so we could move to Scotland. Yeah, raise highland cattle, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:08.120 Thanks Daddy, I heart big Daddy. We want to do 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.640 yeah the I heart motto. That's why you have to 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.240 listen to adverts sometimes. Yeah, so that we can raise cattle. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:25.440 Sacrifice you pentathlon kicking, Yeah, the sex sextathel on the 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:33.399 sixth kicking see anarchist triathlons, shin kicking, bagpipes and cattle raising. Yeah, so, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.839 Margaret Killjoy, this is cool. People did cool stuff. My 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:43.440 producer is Sophie Lichterman, the my guest is James Stout. James, 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.920 how are you doing? Okay? Literally, I'm happy. We've had 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.000 a break. We've bagpiped. Yeah, it's been. It's a whole 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.720 separate day. What are you talking about? You know I 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:59.880 bagpiped since then? Yeah, totally. And our audio production is 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.320 done by Ian. The theme music was written by on Women. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.160 And this is part two of a thing. So if 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.400 if this makes no sense to you, well what we 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.600 said so far does it makes understand anybody, probably including us, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.600 But you should go back and listen to part one. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.519 If you don't go back and listen to part one, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.320 I can't tell you how how much I will never 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.839 trust you. How could you trust someone who comes in 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.520 to the second part of a two parter you could? 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.640 If no, no, I just I don't. I don't. I 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.640 don't get it. I don't get it. And you know, 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.560 maybe everyone's different. You have your own way of doing things, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.440 and that's fine. James is actually the host today and 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.960 I'm just rambling. James are doing where we at? What's happening? Good? 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.079 I'm good. What's happening? All right? Well, we're just gonna 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.959 kick off. What's happening. You've listened to the you listen 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.720 to the last part, you know, the Spanish civil wards 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.080 starting right So a five fifteen in the morning, the 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.160 radio announced, people of Barcelona, the moment we feared has arrived. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.240 The army has betrayed it's worth and honor has written 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.440 against the Republic. For this, Citizens of Barcelona, the time 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.960 of great decisions and great sacrifices have arrived, destroyed this 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.520 fascist army. Every citizen must live their duty. Long live 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.919 the generality that, long live Catalonia, Long live the Republic, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.000 which is pretty cool thing for a radio to say. Yeah. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.600 So with this, the game slipped into hindsight and the 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.359 war assumed disposition. The only thing that really mattered for 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.760 the next three years, and what the Vivankos wrote much later, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.480 what could have been a great people's popular Olympics in Barcelona, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.320 prepared with vision and enthusiasm by people of great spirit 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.280 who believed in Olympic and human ideals, was lost and 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.360 for many of the athletes who had spent a few 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.000 days before the Games enjoying the city's nightlife and meeting 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.280 other anti fascist athletes. It wasn't a total surprise, right. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.480 They talked to their local translators, they talked to the 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.200 people who are hosting them, and the rumors of this 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.520 coup had been going around for a long time. M hmm. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.760 Many of these people had fought fashion in their own 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.400 countries before. Right. There was a German sprinter. Do you 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.640 know who Muriel Rockeiser is? No, he's a German sprinter. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:14.000 I don't know Muriel Rockiser. She is the the the 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.960 love interest of the German sprinter. Okay, German sprinter is 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:25.360 called Otto Bock, which Magpie tried though. Yeah, I was 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.880 so proud of her sho and have shut that down. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.800 He's like he's a member of like Antifa with a 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.560 capital A right, like like when Antifa was organized by 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.480 the KPD. So lots of these people have But who 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.760 is she? She's an American Jewish author who was sent 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.279 to cover the games by Esquire. Okay, they end up 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.200 stuck on a train just outside of Barcelona, and then 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.360 they watched this village that they're stuck in go through 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.240 its own tiny revolution, right, and it's suddenly run by 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.160 the people. Suddenly it's an anarchist village. Now it's run 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.960 by the people of the village, right. And then they 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.600 go into Barcelona and he joins, and we'll talk about 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.280 him a little bit later. Okay, it's it's this is 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.159 all written in her book Savage Coast, which is a 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.760 very good book that almost no one has read. But 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.400 it's a fantastic book and everyone should read it. It's 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.680 kind of a novelized version of her relationship with this 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.400 guy O Cool. So Barcelona pretty much at this point 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.560 becomes what George Will called a city where they're working 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.280 class within the saddle, right, And some of the athletes 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.679 took a liking to what they saw, and they didn't 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.520 like fascism, so they decided that it was worth joining 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.279 the fight that worked them out that morning. So the 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.120 US team was led by thirty two year old Abraham 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:45.520 Alfred chick Jacken. Everyone calls him Chick, right. So, like 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.560 so many of the foreigners who had fled to Spain 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.520 to fight, Jacob was Jewish. His parents had taken him 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.279 and his two siblings out of Russia when he was 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:53.880 just nine months old to look for a better life 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.880 in the USA. They had another daughter after they arrived, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.039 and Chick grew up with two sisters and order brother. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.719 His parents had left Europe to for the anti Semitism 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.240 and soon he would return to fight it. So I 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:06.640 want to read a little bit here from this guy 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.839 called Pierre Ackerman, who was another Jewish volunteer who fointed 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.599 the span Civil War. That his exclamation of why around 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.880 thirty percent of the Americans who fointed Spanish Civil War 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.640 were Jewish? That makes sense, Yeah, and about ten percent 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.280 ten all the foreign volunteers were Jewish. The pursuit of 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.159 money is also the pursuit of power. Have the programs 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.800 in the world been organized so as to distract attention 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.799 from the misery of the people by provoking hatred towards 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.200 the Jews? Well, those who are really responsible, the authors 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.400 of misery, laugh in secret because instead of attacking their power, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.839 people slaughter the Jews. Your children, however, have not tolerated this. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.600 They have not stooped, and they will not stay silent. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.719 That rules. Yeah, Pierre Ackerman's incredibly based dude. Him and 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.120 his brother both die early in on in the Spanish 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.159 Civil War, but his his mother was very conservative and 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.440 remained very sort of religiously conservative, and he was extremely 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.960 radical right, but he by the end of his life 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.320 was righting to his mother. She was destroyed by the 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.640 fact that both her young sons went to fight and 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.800 both died, and him right back being like, we're not 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.160 so different, Like we're not it's different as you think. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.760 It's it's really like it literally like I remember reading 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.480 those and it literally made me critic It's incredibly fucking 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.600 sad and so human. Now that that's really interesting to 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.280 me because you do get this like when we talk 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:32.320 about different, um, different communities that are economically disenfranchised or 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.160 different communities that are press in different ways, and I 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.400 feel like, um, Jewish folks have to deal with us 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.560 a lot is specifically the like what I saw about 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.160 last time, about the like Schrodinger's you know, bad Guy, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.680 where you're communists or capitalist depending on whatever. But it is, 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.680 it's it's systems of trying to have power within a 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:54.280 system that has denied you that power. So I really 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:55.840 like that that he's saying, like, look, we have a 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.360 lot in common. We're trying to reclaim I mean I'm 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.080 putting words this mouth. But that's interesting to me. Yeah, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:08.000 it's interesting. The there are some amazing like Jewish socialists 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.440 from Mandatory Palestine who or most of them been kicked 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.600 out of Mandatory Palestine by the British actually mhm. And 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.400 they and they're like anti Zionist some of them, and 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.840 they end up fighting in the Spanish Civil War and 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.200 they're like, it's amazing. People are the German work of 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.080 the Yiddish. It's called the Yiddish are Biter Sports Club. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.840 Who heard all decamped on master to Paris by that time, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.679 like some really amazing stories. There are some good books 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.520 about it too. So by nineteen six, i'll Jakin was 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.480 an accomplished fighter. He'd wrested at Cornell and narrowly missed 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.800 out an Olympic selection in the two US athletes who 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.240 did go to Olympics one golden silver. After graduating on 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.000 September twenty six with the bachelor's degree in education, he 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.679 won the nineteen seven Amateur Athletic Union Niagara District Wrestling Championships. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.360 That was an Olympic qualifying game. Again, he got to 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.679 try out and bis didn't quite make it. Despite his success, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.720 he didn't qualify for ninety eight games, perhaps because of 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.280 his persistent knee injury, and he decided to peticide his 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.679 Olympic dreams and up for a career in education. And 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.920 nine and thirty one years old, and he began a 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.920 master's degree, and he was teaching university in physical education 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.920 at the City University of New York. And he was 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.400 married to a woman named Jenny Berman. They actually hyphenated 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.480 their names rather than her taking his name, which was 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.240 pretty at ahead of their time. Yeah, they were very 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.680 like they used the word progressive. Actually the word progressive, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.280 it would be the way they would use for themselves. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.760 And so, yeah, they were extremely progressive. She was a 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.040 much more experienced activist than him. She was a social 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.720 worker and a communist. She graduated from Syracuse in and 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.280 headed directly to the city to begin organizing for the 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.680 Communist Party. And in the year before they married, she 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.680 made headlines which he left New York Jewish community social 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.040 services agencies in a walk up for union recognition. She's 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.160 she's pretty cool, pretty cool person. He was deeply influenced 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.960 by her convictions, game active in his union and joined 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.560 his campus Anti Fascist association in nineteen thirty five. His 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.640 his union had voted for a complete boycott of the 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.040 Berlin Games because they refused to send athletes to a 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.480 country that had discrimination as a national policy. So by 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.240 the time, yeah, it seems like a good goal, seems 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.640 like everyone should listened to them. He was also very 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.880 used to coaching people by the time the popular Olympics 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.800 came around, right by both like teaching at the university 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.160 and coaching wrestling, so he was the natural choice to 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.720 lead the team, right, But that's have still been kind 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.160 of nervous to him, like because he hadn't been wrestling 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.960 for a while, he was out of shape, and he's 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.480 going just like athlete and coach, he still got this 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.640 neee issue. He has to like squat down and pull 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.720 his knee back in. If you look at this dude, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.640 he is very clearly hard as fucking nails. Had a 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:05.480 flat he knows he's yeah, He's send you a page 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.400 of him later. But some of his teammates he would 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.040 have known, right. Irving Jenkins, who was a heavyweight boxer, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.400 was still at Cornell when they left for the Games. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.360 As I said, the organizers placed a big emphasis and 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.320 having black folks in the United States come and if 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.760 you look at the posters for the games, there's one 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.120 on my wall, but you can't see it. The posters 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.760 feature like a people of different races walking together and 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.079 carrying flags, but they're like Catalan flags and Popular Front 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.400 flags into the stadium. And they were really invested in 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.640 this idea of like different genders, different races or competing 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.480 together as part of the Popular Front, which like, if 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.600 you look at the Little Olympics, it's mostly naked white dude, right, like, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.439 like the whole propaganda is like it looks like the 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.839 Chippendale's kind of yeah, it's buff white dude in buff 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.920 white dude in thong. So some of the other folks 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.080 were Dot Tucker. She was a sprinter and a union 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.480 leader in Harlem. She was the only black woman on 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.000 the team. She's joined by Frank Payton, who's also a 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.160 sprinter and boxer, who with Charlie Burley. Charlie Burley is 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.480 kind of an interesting guy. He was younger than everyone else, thirteen, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.640 younger than chicken, and he had a pretty difficult upbringing. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.000 He was a mixed day. He was a boxer. That's 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.920 the perfect name for a boxer, Yeah, it is. I 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:27.680 hadn't even thought of that anyway in a life. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.240 Burly Charlie. His dad was a black coal miner, his 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.760 mother was an irishwoman from County Cork, and he began 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.760 to box at the age of twelve. He won a 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.440 junior national title in the Golden Gloves competition and he 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.600 was seen as kind of the big hope for US boxing. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.880 He only narrowly lost the senior competition in but he 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.360 refused to try out for the Berlin Games. He wasn't 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.600 going to go to Berlin, racist sass country and compete, 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.480 and so they invited him the last minute to Barcelona. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.880 Right They left on a ship called the Transylvania on 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.040 the third of ju Line I, and another of the 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.840 athletes was called Burly dan Chick. He was a gymnast, Bernie, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.080 not Burly, and he kept a diary. He writes about 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.440 the food on board. He said, we've been treated very nicely, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.720 and he said, since we're on the road to fame, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.280 everyone's being very kind. Basically, they would start up checking, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.120 made him get up early every morning and run around 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:28.000 the deck to stay fit while he like sits on 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:33.280 a fucking like a chair the sun. He's like he 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.160 would have seen this rom com. I like this rom com. Okay, yeah, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.959 it would be a good rom com. He and the 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.679 two other earth Jenkins, Jarley Berlie and I'll Chack and 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:47.080 would all fight on the deck. They and then Bernie 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.719 Giant Chick was very piste off because there wasn't a 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.760 high bar in the gym, so he just sunk around 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.520 with the banisters and stuff. You can imagine. It's just 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.120 like this kind of a bunch of crazies on the boat. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.839 They caused a lot of problem when they would go 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.360 into dinner right because they they found that their table 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.280 kept getting moved and normally on I guess on these 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.160 long boat trips. I'm not a not a person who 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.320 goes on long boat trips, but you have like an 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.400 a sign table. You said it every day. But they 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.520 kept moving the table for the Popua Olympics team, and 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:23.240 they work because people are racists. Because people were racist, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.920 so you were the racism caused some rowdiness, so they 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.040 refused to They refused to move their table anymore, and 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:37.000 they refused to segregate their table. That worked out for them, unfortunately, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.040 they there's a ping pong tournament for everyone aboard the ship, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.680 I guess, and that the baly Gantic writes about this 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.760 in the story. It's interesting to hear it from his perspective, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.320 or he's a Jewish guy from New York. The Communist 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.840 Party in the United States and the nineteen thirties has 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.600 thoroughly embraced the cause of black folks in the United States, right, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.640 it's genuinely invested in this, and he's read about it 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.080 a lot, and like it's also invested in this. But 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.800 they well, I guess. They're playing ping pong one night 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.080 and he realizes that the like Frank Payton Charlie Berley 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.880 team are gonna win. He's like, hell, yeah, we're gonna 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.720 fucking show them, like they're going to be owned. And 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.960 then they like throw the game and he's very upset. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.840 But this he's like, oh, I see what's happened, Like 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.320 they don't want to win, they don't want to cause 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.240 the first Like that's really sucked up. Like yeah, he 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.920 writes it hurts, see what happened in his diary the 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.160 the black athletes throw the game. Yeah, such that they 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.600 don't like cause a deal with all the rich past 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.320 because they've they've learned how to navigate life as a Yeah, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.520 they've learned that sort of code switching and things that 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.520 they have to do. And Bernie danjecause this this Jewish 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.760 guy from New York is like, damn, that's fucked up. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:45.960 So that when they got there, they made sure that 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.840 they had all the black athletes standing at the front 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.560 for all the photographs and like put them forward for 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.240 interviews and such when they got to England because they 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.880 look you can see him having his realization. I think 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.240 it's really interesting because a sound like when things are 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.320 when you present things, and that when you see things 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.080 in the totally modern context, you could be like, Okay, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.320 this seems like also a lot of like tokenization and stuff, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.080 right you know, they're like, oh, we're going to make 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.480 sure that everyone's marching together with the flags. And it's 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.280 just like really interesting. You know, there's just like fine 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.480 line and they're like living in this very different context 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.200 where it seems like to me as a as a 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.640 white girl, but this is a very positive thing that 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.320 they're doing. Um that it's by having the black people 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.600 in front and having you know, the games, having very 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.560 intentionally like diverse photos and things like that. But it's 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.600 like it seems like this is before it gets like 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.000 all twisted into the current weird liberal heal version of that. Yeah, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.240 because it's not just representation politics, right, it's also like, oh, 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.400 like if someone wants to kill you because of the way, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.880 because who you are, then I will kill them first 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.880 like that, which yeah they doing right, Like it's it's 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:56.000 not they don't Yeah that is literally what do Yeah, 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.960 they don't stop at the photograph, right, Like the response, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.240 it's I think interesting that he's like sees maybe for 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.000 the first time ever, like like racism happening to his 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.520 friend in his responses like how can I show solidarity 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.640 with this person? And like what yeah, yeah, and so 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.959 I think it. Yeah, it's interesting that them negotiating that 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.560 space is really interesting in his diary. And I want 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.159 to write another book about all of this. So I 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.280 have a lot of sources here. Yeah, they'll be cool. Yeah, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.680 hopefully I want to do biographies of each of these people. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.640 So they arrived in Britain, they take a train through 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.000 France and they have the best time in Barcelona, right 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.880 that They're going out to bars, they're going out to clubs, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.040 they're meeting like you know how it is like when 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.200 you're young, and you travel and you meet in a 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:42.920 bunch of other people who believe in the shame ship 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.800 you believe in. You're like, oh, that's amazing, Like and 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.040 I kind of I literally can't imagine a better time 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.520 in place to be alive than what you're describing. If 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.000 you've been brought up being like our sport isn't for you. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.520 You're on the left sports and few you give a 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.160 funk about things that on sport, And then like you're 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.760 here are twenty thousand people You're in like Barcelona, which 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.400 is you know, the revolutions in the air, and yeah, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.679 so I think they've checking sort of struggles to keep 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:15.120 them training. You can see the sort of suck it. Yeah, 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.119 they're gonna get drunk and fuck yes, they absolutely want 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.240 to get drunk and funk. They are like because sex 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.800 work is legal, right and unionized, and so they're going 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.160 to the brothel or whatever the place where you can 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.880 pay people for sex work and they're having your time 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:34.040 and like there, yeah, they're enjoying it. About five fifteen, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.520 this radio announcement comes on, right and they start hearing 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.720 shooting in the street and his Darry entry for his 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:46.959 days comes the revolution with revolution in block capitals. So 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.560 they all go and stand on the bars of their 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.560 balcony and they watched their battle raging. They don't. He 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.000 also wrote in his daries other things, that they don't 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:59.440 do things by halves out here, and they that's true. Yeah, 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.840 they weren't working around. Yeah, so progressive that we don't 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:10.000 have a government. Okay, millions of people will fight for this. Yeah, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.160 people are, including some of you. So they kept looking 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.879 at they were so fascinated by what was going on. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.840 They kept looking out the window, and then like snipers 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.520 would think they were at the snipers and shoot at 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.480 the window. So they go to another room and look 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:27.520 out the windows. I would stop, some of us would stuff. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.080 They would be a one point, there's a lull in 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.720 the firing, and they go out and somehow we're able 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.840 to convey that they are athletes for the Olympics, and 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.480 everybody stopped shooting so they could go and get some food. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.200 Both sides are, like he just wrote in his diary, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:47.480 they stopped the war so that we can pass the 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:51.680 real like Moses moment. I guess. So once they've they've 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.320 been out, they realized that like the situation, right, the 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.960 barricades where things are happening. Charlie Bertie has been time 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.760 about a week. It doesn't speak Spanish. Weapons are in 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.479 very short supply. Most of people the barricades don't have them, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.840 and so he grabs a crowbar starts leaving up stones 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:13.720 from the cobbled road and helping people build barricades. Hell yeah, yeah, 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.160 it's incredibly cool. So these guys are all drawn to help. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.200 You can look at pictures. It's really interesting. You look 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.679 at pictures of July. You can see these barricades build 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:28.000 and then pop your Olympics posters in the background, and 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.440 people like there's there's one of people hiding behind the 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.920 ticket booths, like firing their little mousers out. It's very cool. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.840 So by the evening co had been defeated. The next 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.000 day the anarchists would finish a job storming the barracks 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.680 and seezing thousands of rifles. This is when last for 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.840 the anarchists died because their tactic was mainly to just 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:55.359 run towards danger, which has like limited tactical prowess. Yeah mao, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.359 and yeah, we had another episode about this. It's some 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.840 incredibly cool things happened, like they roll out rolls of 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.720 news print from the newspaper factory and use them as 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:07.560 an impromptu barricade to fire from behind, which is very cool. 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.879 So you can actually see as well, like sometimes you 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.720 can see at the barricade people are like that that 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.920 newsprint that newspaper, right, would it would have printed newspapers 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.879 that would have gone out. The newspapers went out the 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:22.360 night before to be read that day, so you can 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.879 see things which were written speculatively, being like, the opening 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:34.399 ceremony was a great success. Yeah, opening ceremony was we 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:39.160 stopped a bat. Yeah, they came there to do anti fascism, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.840 so I guess it was a great success. And so 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:45.040 in the next few days industricual nationalized vehicles expropriated from 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.520 the homes of the plotters, Militia columns were formed from 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.639 the various unions, and the Popular Front took on a 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.119 physical form as the columns marchshoft to Zada fight. The 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.800 remaining athletes paraded through the city, singing the International in 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:03.359 various languages, led by Scottish bag This that's our goal. 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:10.479 We can play the International alright. So sadly not everyone 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.399 was so lucky. French athlete had been shot in the 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.159 first hours of the cue. The British wanted to leave 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.520 immediately and offered the Americans a place on their ship 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.280 the United States Continent. So they went to the continent 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.480 to be like what should we do. The concert was 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.560