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Speaker 1: I rarely do I get to I feel like, reconnect

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Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of being on her own podcast

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Speaker 1: I've followed your journey. I've had my own journey at

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Speaker 1: the same time. But here we are together, ba fam

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Speaker 1: for a treat of an episode with the one and

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Speaker 1: the only Morgan Debon, CEO of Blavity, and so many

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Speaker 1: other things that we're going to get into today on

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Speaker 1: the show. Welcome Morgan, thank you for having me. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back for Matt leave ish ish Yeah. I was telling

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Speaker 1: Morgan that my Matt Leave is you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: very convenient excuse if I don't want to do something.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so sorry, am I Matt Lee or

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Speaker 1: I'll tell my I'll tell my virtual assistant, just like

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Speaker 1: give them them Matt leave, give them them at leave email.

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Speaker 1: But then if it's hey, Morgan wants to be on

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Speaker 1: your podcast, are you free. It's like, oh yeah, Matt

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Speaker 1: Leave is over. I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, just make sure she's back, like

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Speaker 2: you know, we can do this in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 2: but for.

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Speaker 1: Real, well here we are. I am ten weeks post

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Speaker 1: having my new baby, my new baby boy Remy Rafael

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Speaker 1: and Morgan. For those of you who do not know,

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Speaker 1: and you should, you should be following her podcast right

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Speaker 1: now after you listen to this called The Journey and

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Speaker 1: check them out on IG and all of that. Congrats

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Speaker 1: by the way, on the news show, the new podcast.

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Speaker 1: But Morgan's expecting any week now. You're close, right, how far.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I feel like it really got real of

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's not like a photo booth for your baby.

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Speaker 1: what a decade? Now? How long have you been running

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the beginning for me was deciding that I wanted

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Speaker 1: When you went from zero to baby and a partner

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Speaker 1: feel like I knocked it out four years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we might be realizing that just a

442
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: tad bit now by the franknet, just a.

443
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: Little bit of a miscalculation there.

444
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: Knock it out in eighteen years.

445
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this morning, I was like, I wish we had waited.

446
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: Like he's like, I'm happy you're pregnant, I'm hap to

447
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: go the faith, But I wish that we waited just.

448
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 2: A little bit longer because I feel like I lost you.

449
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: I'm losing you. I'm like, yeah, we're best friends. You

450
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: are losing me, like I am tired, so you know,

451
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: I know you want to hang out.

452
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: When he talks about that, the version of you that

453
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: he fell in love with, it's hard to be. Everyone's

454
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: pregnancy is different. My first pregnancy, yeah, my first pregnancy,

455
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: I barely felt it, you know. I just was like

456
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: running around New York being my same self. My second

457
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: pregnancy hit me a lot harder. I was super sick,

458
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: in pain a lot, and my husband had to caretake

459
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but he's a classic Dominican man ran

460
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: by a household where the women did the caretaking. He's

461
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: not very good at it, nor does he get Yeah,

462
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: so to see me like he's already told me no

463
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Speaker 1: more kids, if that's what you're going to be like,

464
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: because like for ten months, you know, nine ten months,

465
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Speaker 1: I was different and it's so hard and I'm like,

466
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: I love this, I want to have another one. He's like,

467
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: I can't do this again. So that's real what you're describing,

468
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: very real.

469
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Speaker 2: And I just think men.

470
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 3: Don't think about it as like, don't think about that

471
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Speaker 3: element of it. They might want to be a dad,

472
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: they might want to be you know, have a family.

473
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Speaker 3: But I don't think they realize the woman that the

474
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: pre baby is. I mean, we just physically can't hormonally physically,

475
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: like I don't sleep very well.

476
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's a transition and I knew that.

477
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: I just don't think that they think through that.

478
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Speaker 3: So for any men that are listening to this, please

479
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Speaker 3: honor your pre baby girl woman.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, person, partner.

481
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Speaker 1: I would say, if you haven't had an illness with

482
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Speaker 1: your partner, like before you decide to have a baby

483
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: with someone, like, try to get sick or try to

484
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Speaker 1: be incapacitated. I'm not saying go out and break your

485
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: own leg. I'm just saying, just try.

486
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: To take care of them fully for a week, even

487
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: if they're not sick, Like.

488
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, bring just or your partner. See what kind of

489
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: caretaker they are, and see what happens when you're down.

490
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: Because it's sickness and health. I know that you guys,

491
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: you're not actually married right where you are, no right,

492
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: but like you know, traditional vows sickness and health and

493
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: no da da da da, But like it's real. They

494
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: can say that and it's cute when they're twenty eight

495
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: or whatever, but what does that look like? And can

496
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: they care for you?

497
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: Because that is and it's gross, Mandy, it's gross.

498
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, you've got a lot going on with

499
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: your digestion system, You've got a lot of things going

500
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: on with your physical.

501
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Baby, been sick, You've been like nauseous, well was constipated.

502
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: Oh yes, they don't tell you that shit. Progesterone is

503
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: the endem me. Progesterone will fuck you up from whole

504
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: to whole, okay, right toe to head, all of it.

505
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: Progesterone better be comfortable talking about your vowels with your partner.

506
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: If you can't part in front of him, if you

507
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: can't talk about your bows, if you're like, hey, when

508
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: I give birth, there's going to be blood everywhere and

509
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, pee, I might poopol I'm getting birth.

510
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: Like, if you can't say these things, yeah, maybe reconsider.

511
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: Or you know, like if you want someone who's or

512
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable the way that you are

513
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: in front of them, even just being just you know you, yeah,

514
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: not putting on a face, not putting on a fit,

515
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: just being That is love, you know what I'm saying.

516
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: That is love, But it is really hard on your body.

517
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: What about so kind of setting Josh aside for a minute,

518
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: we'll come back to you, Josh. Okay, we have a

519
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: forgot like, oh my god, please get no. Oh they

520
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: love it? Who Actually, if he's like my husband, he

521
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: won't listen, and that's better. It's better. But talk to

522
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: me about business wise. So you've got your man's you're

523
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: you guys have decided you're gonna go for it to

524
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: get this check marked done. Yeah, but business wise, when

525
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: did you start thinking about how this would affect, you know,

526
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: your time at Glavity and then what was your strategy

527
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: from there?

528
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? So about a year and a half ago is when?

529
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: So, like early spring last year was when I said,

530
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: all right, if we're not going to have any shot

531
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: at getting this done in the next two years, I

532
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: got to change some things. So I hired a CFO

533
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: chief business officer to help me have a better sense

534
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: of our financials on a day to day You know,

535
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: I haven't. I had a VP of finance, but I

536
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: needed someone who was going to be a more strategic

537
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: partner and just like helping me, and also had the

538
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: experience running four or five big leadership teams. Blavity's over

539
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: two hundred people, so just for like scale wise, so

540
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: oh wow.

541
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Glavity itself and then the additional brands are more

542
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: headcount or do they all they're all.

543
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: A bundle underneath. Yeah, full time.

544
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 3: And then we have contractors, so like at any given point,

545
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: for example, during Avatech season, you know, we could be

546
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: upwards of four hundred plus people because we scale up

547
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: during the conference season.

548
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: So fun.

549
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: But so I.

550
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: Maybe people who could like manage a big boy boss company,

551
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 3: you know, and like someone people are going to respect

552
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: and be like, no, Morgan's not available, but he's got

553
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: it right yeah. So and also protect the business so

554
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: if I'm out or I'm stepping back on some of

555
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: the operational things like legal. We didn't have a legal department,

556
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: so I hired our first head of legal in house.

557
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: She's been amazing, you know. We hired a more senior controller,

558
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: so just like growing up and maturing so that we're

559
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: protected if something goes wrong. There's no like dramatic downfall

560
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: of any one thing, so my mind always goes to

561
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: worst case scenario.

562
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Speaker 1: It's great. I mean, it's what I love about that

563
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: is I've talked about it too and run I didn't

564
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: have my son, my first son. When I was running

565
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: my own company, and certainly not two hundred people at

566
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Mandy Money, Inc. It's just one and a half. But hey,

567
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: one day in Shada, in Shada. But anyway, when I

568
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: was nine to five, I was running a team and

569
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, and of thirty plus like one hundred contractors

570
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: and me becoming pregnant was almost like the best thing

571
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: that could have happened for my team and the company

572
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: as far as my contribution, because it made me create

573
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: a more resilient team, a team that could step up

574
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: to the plate and find weaknesses and plug those holes,

575
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, and reinforce it and make it stronger. And

576
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like that happened where you feel that way,

577
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: you know about how you approach blavity. I was like, yeah,

578
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: that was my.

579
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: Biggest fear, was like, you know, something having forbid, something

580
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: went wrong while I was pregnant where I was needed

581
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: bed rest or some sort of thing that like really

582
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: took me out where I really need to be one

583
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: hundred percent focused on baby in.

584
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 2: My own health. And there was no escalation plan, there

585
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: was no secession plan. There was no.

586
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: Body who could ultimately make some of the big decisions

587
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: that we needed to make that I trusted, okay, So

588
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: that was really helpful. And then the other person I hired,

589
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: and this is key, So I got my bottom line.

590
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: I hired my top line. Hired a CRO.

591
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: So not only when I go on math leaves, Yeah,

592
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: do I not want to get sued, but I would

593
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: also like to make more money.

594
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be nice, that'd be great.

595
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: So hired our CRO chief revenue officer. And you know,

596
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: I talked to the board about it.

597
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: That's the other thing I did. And I've been telling.

598
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: My board, I will have a baby at some point,

599
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: I will need to rebalance some things at some point.

600
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: So they were all prepared. They knew this was going

601
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: to happen, and that I wanted to make some investments

602
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: in some senior leaders who are not cheap people, you know,

603
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: these are people with thirty forty plus years experience, you know, Okay.

604
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: And.

605
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: They supported me behind that. So I think having a

606
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: supportive board was helpful. And then I also had a

607
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: year to work with them, So that was the other

608
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: thing I wanted. I was like, I wanted to wait

609
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: a little bit so that I could really get to

610
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: know them. And we're remote, so you know, being able

611
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: to travel and meet with them and non baby related,

612
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: just straight up make sure we're a good team together.

613
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: And I've been so lucky to have both of them

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: because in addition to my existing leadership team, which was

615
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: already incredible.

616
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Now I know that you're in a it's a it's

617
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: a difficult position, but almost a privileged position to be

618
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: a CEO of a company. And like I heard you say,

619
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: to backtrack a little bit, you told the board in advance,

620
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to be having a baby, right, Is that

621
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: what you did? And I told, yeah, let's plan for it.

622
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

623
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Speaker 1: I get questions from even in my own career coaching practice,

624
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: and then if from Brown ambition listeners who are like,

625
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: I want to have a baby and I want to interview,

626
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: but I don't want to men. You know I should

627
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I mention it? Can I mention it? Or they're worried

628
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: about Yeah, yeah, don't mention it. Of course, Plus you

629
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: don't have to. There's nothing legally. You can be nine

630
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: months pregnant and they and just sitting there staring at

631
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: them like you don't see this? What do you see?

632
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Can't talk about it legal anyway, but you do you know,

633
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: you have that like you don't have to worry or

634
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't want to put words in your mouth,

635
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: but there's not the same fear about will I be

636
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: penalized for this? Will they treat me differently? You know,

637
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: because in your position, it's a position of power, which

638
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: is you know, amazing, And I just want to acknowledge

639
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: for some women at work, well, yeah, tell me, tell

640
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 1: me what that's like for you.

641
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I acknowledge that there's a different power dynamic, but

642
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: it's still a power dynamic.

643
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: I absolutely worried about.

644
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: It's one thing to tell someone, hey, in the next

645
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: two years and probably want to have like get married

646
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: and have a baby. Like, so you guys should not

647
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: expect crazy seventy hour a week, traveling twice a week morgan.

648
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: And then saying I'm pregnant in a recession.

649
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Well the media industry is in shambles and I won't

650
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: be an afrotech this year, right, like, you know, it's uh.

651
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: I definitely was very nervous to tell them, and I

652
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: told them all individually. I didn't tell them, you know,

653
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: all together. It was like, let me call so and so,

654
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: let me call so and so, let me call so and.

655
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: So okay, and.

656
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it was it wasn't Was that because you didn't

657
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: want the big drama, Like I know it's not in

658
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: a boardroom because it's virtual now, but did you not

659
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: want the like did it feel like strategically better to

660
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: do it one on one?

661
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: I think that I was able to tailor the message

662
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: to each individual personality type and their fears and anxiousness

663
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: around what would happen if Morgan is not available, the

664
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: CEO is not available, And they all did have different reactions.

665
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: One of them is like, congrats, the other one's like, who's.

666
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: Going to run the company when you're out? You know,

667
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: it's like very different in actions.

668
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: And I have the blessing of being remote, so like

669
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: if you look at me, I don't look pregnant. I

670
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: probably could have gotten away with it for a very

671
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 3: long time if I didn't really make it public, but

672
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: that was not in the best interest as the fiduciary

673
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: and chairperson of my board to do. That's not the

674
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: responsible thing to do. But yeah, I did have a

675
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: lot of anxiety. I'm sure it's not the same type of

676
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: anxiety that a woman who is or a birthing person

677
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: who is.

678
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Talking to their employer. But in some ways, the board

679
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: is my employer.

680
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: No exactly. And I know we have a lot of

681
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: listeners who are entrepreneurs as well, and they are I

682
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: mean Blavity. I don't know, does it feel How do

683
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: you feel about Blavity? Now? You've grown up a lot,

684
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: and even just the past year and a half. Not

685
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: to be patronizing, but you know what I mean by

686
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: by building, like you still have room to grow and

687
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: to bring in new people with more experience. But from

688
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, it's like Morgan created this great

689
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: successful company and you know she's she's running things. But

690
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: how much of you feels like you have reached a

691
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: level of like I don't know, like you know, not

692
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: to say you're coasting, but like I'm here, I did it,

693
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: And how much of you still feels like that scrappy

694
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: entrepreneur who was creating Blavity at your you know, in

695
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: college with your friends.

696
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I feel that.

697
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: We will never go down to zero, like having made

698
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: it through COVID. It's not like we will all of

699
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: a sudden go bankrupt, although I say that knowing that

700
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: Vice just went bankrupt. So in some ways, there are

701
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: plenty of risks that we still have to navigate in

702
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: today's climate, especially with the changes in technology. And we're

703
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: a very diversified business. So that's the way that I

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: fought that risk is like afrotech in our talent acquisition

705
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: business and helping people hire black talent is very different

706
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: and totally unrelated to a conc and advertising business, helping

707
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: companies and people reach one another.

708
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Two different Yeah, two different businesses. So one's up and

709
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: the other ones down.

710
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: At the album, you know, it goes up and down.

711
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: So I don't always I don't feel like we're out

712
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: of the hair yet.

713
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: And we have done a lot of growing up in the.

714
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: Last two years and people can see it right and

715
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: you can tell because we were just a lot more present.

716
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: But I still feel like I have land mines and

717
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I can just like go on

718
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: vacation for.

719
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Speaker 1: Six months, You're right, which brings us to this whole

720
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: idea of matt leave. When you're a business owner and

721
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: a CEO, so you've told the board, you're preparing, you're hiring,

722
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: you're getting that done, But then what will your matt

723
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: leave look like?

724
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my birth date hopefully is the week of afrotec.

725
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: Actually, so November first. Yeah, it's very sweet. However, I'm

726
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: going to be struggling with how much fun everyone else

727
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: is having.

728
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: Doesn't November seem so far away when you're seven months

729
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: ooh girl?

730
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: That last?

731
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's coming. Okay.

732
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: It's weird because I'm also like, we're not ready for

733
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: afro talk, and I'm like, I'm I'm ready for baby.

734
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: So it's a weird. It's a baby.

735
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: You'll be here and you'll forget. You'll take your hands

736
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: off the wheel and your people will grab the wheel

737
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: and you'll forget. Yeah, like it doesn't matter, but anyway,

738
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: keep going. Sorry, Matt leave.

739
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's the that's the timing, which is Q four.

740
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: So you know we work in quarters, so Q four

741
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: is October November December, October December. Yeah, so so.

742
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: You know that's also our biggest quarter as a company

743
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: across both businesses. Uh So it's a really critical time

744
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: for us as a company. How am I changing or

745
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: how am I preparing? I've worked on my maternity plan.

746
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: And we're doing all of our annual planning for twenty

747
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: twenty four right now. So we're meeting in person at

748
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: the leadership level and deciding our goals, so ciding the

749
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: entire operating schedule from Q four through the end of

750
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: Q one, which we would normally do.

751
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: We would usually wait.

752
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: Till the end of the year, closer to the end

753
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: of the year to build out our plan for the

754
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: first half of next year, like from a literal budgets

755
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: and p and LS level. So I moved it up

756
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: because those are key decisions that are my responsibility to make,

757
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: and I needed to move it up in a way

758
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: at a time in which I had the mental, physical,

759
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: and emotional capability to manage complex situations, not when I

760
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: am so tired and would prefer to not even talk

761
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: to anyone because I will be nine months pregnant.

762
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: No, that's smart, absolutely, So you're calling it maternity planning.

763
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: There's no will there be a period where it's going

764
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: to be do not contact me? Yes in newborn phase?

765
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: Yes, my mind.

766
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: I am winding down now so that everyone can get

767
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: prepared and people will be like, my direct reports will

768
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: switch over before I go on that leave, so that

769
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 3: if there's questions or things that people need to work through,

770
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Like let's say one of my reports is now.

771
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Moving to our CFO. We will do one on ones

772
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: with all three of us. So that gotcha moving forward.

773
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: There's at least some rapport, there's some All the nuances

774
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: are all handled before I'm actually unavailable, because I do

775
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: plan on once. I actually the week before I give birth,

776
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: I'm out, So no phone slacks coming off my phone,

777
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: emails coming off my phone. I have to be religious

778
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: like that, Like I have to be disciplined like that,

779
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: because I know myself. There's like if I see this lag,

780
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to look at this lag.

781
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I was slacking in the delivery room, but it was

782
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: my second it was more relaxed, you know, But anyway.

783
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: I hear you I I I talked to a lot

784
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: of women. I did a lot of research before I

785
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: made my maternity leave plan, and I tried to look up,

786
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: like what is the standard for CEOs and founders and

787
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: business operators. I think it's one thing to be an

788
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: executive at a really big company and to take matt leaves,

789
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: and it's a little different when.

790
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you're still responsible for

791
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: all these people's salaries and their livelihoods and their kids

792
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: being able to afford braces, Like you know, I take

793
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: my responsibility very seriously, so.

794
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: I there's not actually that many resources. You're either like

795
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: Marissa my Er.

796
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked under at Yahoo exactly that lends and

797
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: blew out an office and built the nursery, and the

798
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: world ripped her apart for it. They sure did have

799
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: her apart for it.

800
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: But they would have ripped her part if she also didn't.

801
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: It was a mess. I mean it was. That was

802
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: like the first public mess.

803
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: That I had. You talked to Marissa, who don't you

804
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: talk to you? If you can say? But I think

805
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: it's so wise of you to talk to. Yes, women

806
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: who are who know exactly intimately what you're going through,

807
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: which must have been I talked to.

808
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: But I did not talk to Mersa.

809
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: I talked to other women of similar stature at different levels.

810
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: Women who own their own companies, women who are hired

811
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: CEOs at companies that are scaling, women who were fundraising

812
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: or going through an acquisition or a sale or fundraise,

813
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: and there's just so many different scenarios. And what everyone

814
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: said was like, look, you're super hormonal right when you

815
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: give birth for like at least the first eight weeks.

816
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm curious what your experience was Mandy, is.

817
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: I do endorse this. Yes, the hormones keep hormoning, the progesterone,

818
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is, the evil. Yes, it continues long after.

819
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like bit snap decisions, you know,

820
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: or decisions that are big. You don't necessarily want to

821
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: do those by yourself, you know, for a couple.

822
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 2: That's what you're like. I mean, you can do podcasts,

823
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: you can write a newsletter, you can do some day

824
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: to day things, but you don't want to do your

825
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: annual budget planning eight weeks postpart of where.

826
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: You're doing pre partum or like the month before. Yeah,

827
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Yes, you're a live wire. At least

828
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna figure already.

829
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm already spontaneously crying. So that's how it is. It's

830
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: seven months. It's going to be a mess.

831
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Girl. I had to stop watching anything with commercials. Why

832
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: are commercials so sad?

833
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: Like?

834
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Why what for? And also, fuck you TikTok algorithm, because

835
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: when I tell you when I got I don't even

836
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: know when it started, maybe the second trimester. So many

837
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: dead baby stories on TikTok. I'm happy for y'all that

838
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: you're sharing and getting and there's no shame. But Jesus,

839
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: if TikTok could just not deliver those to me in

840
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: the for you page, it would be yeah, helpful, be helpful.

841
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so they put talking to other women told me,

842
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: they told me these things. They said, move your planning that.

843
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Do not think that two weeks before you get birth

844
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: you're going to be able to build an entire financial

845
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: plan for your company for next year. Like no, do

846
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: not think you're going to go to a board meeting

847
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: and like represent the company two weeks before you give birth,

848
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: like let other people speak at the board meeting, you know.

849
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: So I feel grateful that I was able to have

850
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: access to women who've been through this before, because it's

851
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: not it's not like I could pick up a book

852
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: on how to do this. So then once I so,

853
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: so for about six weeks post baby, I will be unavailable.

854
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: Don't text me, don't call me as long as there's

855
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: no lawsuit, I don't want to hear about it. And

856
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: then after that six weeks I will still be on

857
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: matt Leath, but I will read a weekly email which

858
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: I call a decision making log, which my chief of

859
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: staff will manage, which is basically just document all the

860
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: decisions that are being made, and if I think that

861
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: something is a yellow flag, then I will type back

862
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: my response okay, just so that I don't come back

863
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: and like why did so and so decide to use

864
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: this random tool that costs US two hundred thousand dollars?

865
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Like, gotcha, I.

866
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 2: Didn't think you want to tell me about that, right.

867
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: It's like I'm imagining that's how it feels when I

868
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: leave the house and someone nice does dishes for me,

869
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: but they put my shit in all the wrong drawers,

870
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're like, be grateful I helped you.

871
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, honestly leave the kitchen dirty, because if I

872
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: can't find this bachelor, I'm going to be in a

873
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: rage for five minutes while I'm opening Anyway, yet not helpful, No,

874
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: that's smart. What about red flag? You said yellow flag?

875
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: Is there a red flag version where you hop on

876
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: a phone call or something.

877
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, red flags. I'm still working on my red flag list.

878
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: But the you a peer, I'm always like if a

879
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: VPR above resigns or is about to resign, like if

880
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: there's some sort of like senior leader, but as of now,

881
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: we don't think is unhappy or is getting poached, like,

882
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: and there's a situation, call me. You know, I don't

883
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: want to be surprised. I very much value our team

884
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: and our leadership team. And if I can make last

885
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: minute phone call or last minute budget decision, like, let

886
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: me not. The list wasn't very long, frankly, you know,

887
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: I think I also said, like, don't miss your goals

888
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: on the list, Like, if you are going to miss

889
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: your goals, don't let me, just like tell me in advance.

890
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: Okay, exactly. Yeah, I think that sounds good. I mean,

891
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: it's it's for me, my map as an entrepreneur. It's

892
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of it's I don't know, I kind of enjoy it.

893
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: I definitely enjoy my maternity leaves so much more now

894
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: that I have because for me, it's fun. First of all,

895
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: I love what I do, right, So what do I

896
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: do with my time? Yeah? Exactly, it's boring as hell,

897
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: especially you don't have another kid to distract you or

898
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: make you. It's boring. They just lie there, and the

899
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, if they lie there, and even the things

900
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: that do involve you doing things like becomes monotonous.

901
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: And yeah again, broastfeeding, I'm like, okay, what am I

902
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing while I'm doing that, So.

903
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Like exactly, you'll get to a time when your brain

904
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: starts to be free and you're like, this thing is

905
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: not responding to me, not even smiling. They don't even smile.

906
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: Toll like eight ten weeks old. They can't give you nothing.

907
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: They just take. They're a leech. They take, take, take,

908
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: So you have to give, give, give, Like I had

909
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: my first post man postpartum massage, like I think at

910
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: week I think I was two or three weeks postpartum.

911
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: I booked that stuff for myself because like, again, they're

912
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: giving you nothing, They're just sucking it from you. So yeah,

913
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: pouring into yourself. I was like, yeah, I'm taking this.

914
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm going on these massages. I just had a deep

915
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: tissue yesterday ninety minutes baby, yes, yeah, just the bory.

916
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: So being able to you know, check into slack, check

917
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: in with my admin, take a media you know, interview request.

918
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: I kept Homegirl IM CNBC on the phone for like

919
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: forty five minutes because I'm like, I got all the

920
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: time you want to talk about this. I got to

921
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: know this. She's like, I got my quote, can you

922
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: like go? You must have something better to do. Like, actually, no,

923
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: I just want to talk. Yeah, so that I like

924
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: and dipping my toe in and out. But for you,

925
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: as a leader, I imagine you don't want to get them.

926
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: You don't want to like, yeah, you can't just be

927
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: in and out because then it's unsure. People aren't sure.

928
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Then they start turning to you for it, and they're

929
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: not listening to each other exactly. So how do you

930
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: think you'll manage that?

931
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: I've learned that the hard way.

932
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had many years where I've tried to

933
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: go on vacation and then I'm like on coss, you know.

934
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: So I've learned that there's really no in between. Either

935
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: she's online or she's offline, and either she trusts us

936
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: to make the decision or she doesn't trust us to

937
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: make the decision.

938
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: And so I have.

939
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: To actually be offline, which is not going to be easy,

940
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: which is why I have to proactively.

941
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: Manage it and take all the things off my phone.

942
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: And how long will they be off your phone for?

943
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: Is that just the six weeks or yeah, that'll be.

944
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: From November through That'll be November through the second week

945
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: of December.

946
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: Okay, and the holiday season too, So it's not a

947
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: bad time to be winding down or to.

948
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: Be Okay, well yeah, CEO of CFO, I mean we're

949
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: not really eiver off like the rest of our employees

950
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: will be kicking it, but we're doing the budget planning

951
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: and all the things for them to come back to.

952
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: So and then I'm taking all of January still like

953
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm still going to be off all the way through

954
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: mid February.

955
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: And then so again quarter so all the way through

956
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: Q one, and then what I'm doing is for my

957
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: direct reports the two weeks that I come back in

958
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: February or week and a half because February is short,

959
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: I will then shadow back into the one on one

960
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: so I will not come back and immediately disrupt, because

961
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: that's the other thing that I think people might have

962
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: anxiety about. Oh my god, she's been gone for so long,

963
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: so much has happened.

964
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: Like yes, you're so emotionally smart, like you're so tapped

965
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: into how people how your presence changes dynamics, and that's

966
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: so smart, and trauma trauma, and maybe you learn the

967
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: hard way. But to work for someone like you who

968
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: gets that, it's that I think is the opposite of

969
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: a toxic work environment. Whatever you want to call it,

970
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: but I just want to commend you for that because

971
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe your people are so used to

972
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: it that they take it for granted, but do not

973
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's clear that you care about them.

974
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm so emotionally aware of my presence is because I

975
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: used to not be, and I've got a lot of

976
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: negative feedback about it, and that was something that I've

977
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: worked really hard and had a lot of coaching on

978
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: my own performance as an executive on how do I

979
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: feel high performing teams? And part of that's the key

980
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: thing that I had to work on was high trust

981
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 3: and understanding. I underestimated what my presence how it impacted people,

982
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: like as a founder making that transition from founder to CEO,

983
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 3: I did not understand the power dynamics as because we

984
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: grew so quickly, because there was a time when I

985
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: was like these are just the homies. But it's like

986
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: these are not the homies.

987
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm so glad because I think that

988
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: that was a part of leadership that you know, just

989
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: even showing up to happy hour or not, or popping in, Hey,

990
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: you guys are meeting. I love hearing about marketing and

991
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: we just pop in and listen. No, don't just do that.

992
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: Don't do that anymore. They go out for drinks. I

993
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: don't go, you know, we take the team to dinner.

994
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm at dinner and then I leave.

995
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: I think Lisa was learning this right now. What Lizzo

996
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: is going through right now, this is the lesson she's learning.

997
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: And you know what, people are dragging her. But I'm like,

998
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: you're dragging her. She is becoming a better leader, Like

999
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: this is going to make her. This is what we all,

1000
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I think, as leaders go through a little bit. If

1001
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: you don't get like a stern talking to how what's

1002
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: your perspective on that? That's how I feel like it

1003
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: is like girls don't go to the strip club with

1004
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: your with.

1005
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: Your college sports, No, and not not junior level like

1006
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: contractor reports who are That's the definition of a power

1007
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: dynamic where they're trying to keep they're trying to get in,

1008
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: you know, So they're going to do They're gonna have

1009
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: pressure to do with whatever the group is doing because

1010
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: they want to get in, you know, exactly so and

1011
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: they analyze you your Lisa, right, So it would be

1012
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: the same thing for me. It's like I'm kicking it

1013
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: with people we hire as staff for Afrotech and I'm

1014
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 3: like we outside, I'm like, wait a minute, these people

1015
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: are trying to get a full time job at Glavity

1016
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: and be on the afro Tech team full time. Like's

1017
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: not okay for them, right and and.

1018
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: Also not good for me. It puts me at risk

1019
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: for the company at risk.

1020
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: And I think the situation with Lizo is exactly that,

1021
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: Like she was probably just this is probably her natural state.

1022
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: And just kicking it. You're in Amsterdam at a club.

1023
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Amsterdam at a club is code for you're at a

1024
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: sex club.

1025
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1026
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: They kind of leave the Amsterdam part out of it,

1027
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: which I think is unfair in the storyline because to

1028
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 3: me and like, that's actually a critical part of You're

1029
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam where sex and sex clubs are legal, Like this.

1030
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: Is not you're freaking Lizzo.

1031
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: You know you're a sex positive woman. So anyway, yes,

1032
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: I got.

1033
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: But not to diminish how those women might have felt

1034
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: uncomfortable in that space. I could totally understand how you

1035
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable and while there, and so she should not

1036
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: have put them in that position.

1037
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: And I one hundred percent agree that that that was

1038
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: not cool.

1039
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: So yes, that is the consequence of not being aware

1040
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: of your power dynamic and feeling like maybe you want

1041
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: to be inclusive when actually being inclusive in we're all equals,

1042
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: You're not actually all equals.

1043
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: You're the boss. M h.

1044
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And there's a bit of a delay.

1045
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: Do I sound okay to you?

1046
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: You sound great?

1047
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay? Perfect. I know it's gonna look better when we're

1048
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: like live and stuff. But anyway, if I'm like taking

1049
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: a minute to respond, there's a teeny tiny delay. Okay, perfect.

1050
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: So all right, we've talked about the bay, I said,

1051
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: we come back to him. I'll get to him the business.

1052
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about you and what life as a

1053
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: parent will look like after you have the baby. Let's

1054
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: do that with Bae, business and baby the three bees.

1055
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: Now we're in the baby phase, so talk to me

1056
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: about how planning your own support so that when you

1057
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: have this child you can be your you know, the

1058
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: best version you can possibly be. I know that you've

1059
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: got some plans for your own support, which I'm so

1060
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: happy to hear. So talk to us a little bit

1061
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: about that what will look like for you?

1062
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: So first step was my baby shower.

1063
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: I decided not to have a baby shower and to

1064
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: have a nesting week instead where my girlfriends flew in

1065
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 3: and my family to help me prepare as like acts

1066
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: of service as opposed to gifts. Oh my yes, because

1067
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: I just don't like, I'm not someone who feels like

1068
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm not an overplanner when it comes to these types

1069
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 3: of things. It sounds crazy because I just told you

1070
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: my home maternity plan for the business, but as it

1071
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: relates to me personal, like I just bought like my

1072
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: first pack of diapers, like you know, I'm not like

1073
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: I don't have like.

1074
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: The SA same. Yes, yes, it doesn't seem it's urgent.

1075
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: It's like Amazon's a thing, you know, Yes.

1076
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: That target, you know.

1077
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: But I know other moms are like mad prepared as

1078
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 3: soon as they find out they're pregnant, they start buying all.

1079
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: Types of stuff. So I was.

1080
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: I knew that about myself, and I have a lot

1081
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: of I'm really grateful to. I have a lot of

1082
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: women in my life that are amazing moms and have

1083
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: recently gone through it.

1084
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: So they're coming. It's like I put out the bat

1085
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: signal They're coming, and they are helping me with my

1086
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: hospital bag, and I'm like nipple cream, like you know,

1087
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: just all this stuff, like all the things that are

1088
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: tied to my own being and my own wellness.

1089
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 3: Writing me postpartum sticky notes to put on the mirror,

1090
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, to help with just my body image and

1091
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: just knowing that like I've been through an experience, just

1092
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: all of the little things and I value that so

1093
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: much from how I live my life and how I

1094
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: receive love. It means so much that they're coming to

1095
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: do that. And they would have came for a baby

1096
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: shower too and kicked it, but like, I don't need

1097
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: someone to buy me the stroller.

1098
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: You didn't help me put the stroller together.

1099
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Yes, that is such a and for anyone who's listening,

1100
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: if you're having your first child, like are you planning

1101
00:54:59,480 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: to this?

1102
00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: Is?

1103
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: This took me until my second to come to that

1104
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: because I thought about, what did I know? I had

1105
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: a killer baby shower though I wasn't even a shower.

1106
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: I had a par tag let's go. It was my

1107
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: husband's Dominican. But I think I'm more Dominican than he is,

1108
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: because when I tell you rented out a Dominican restaurant,

1109
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: it was from six to eleven open bar, we were

1110
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: doing yeah, we were dancing anyway anyway. Anyway, but this

1111
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: time around, my mom and my sister I flew in.

1112
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: They flew in a couple of weeks before the baby,

1113
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: and they were pressed, like it's a baby going to

1114
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: come before we leave. I'm like, I don't know, maybe

1115
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: maybe not, but this is what I need you for,

1116
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to help me finally, like

1117
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: put the old stuff that you know won't fit the

1118
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: baby from you know, hand me downs, get them organized

1119
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: and stuff. So that's that's so so smart. And you

1120
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: said you moved closer to where your your parents live, right, Yeah,

1121
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: I love that. Do you know, like right now what

1122
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: your childcare will look like for a.

1123
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: Little on that, I decided, I talked to both the

1124
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: grandmothers and just tried to understand what they wanted, because

1125
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, first up would be like, y'all just.

1126
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: Come over and help me with the baby.

1127
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: But actually what I realized is like they want to

1128
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: be grandmothers. They're happy to help, but like they want

1129
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: to be grandma's which is not the same thing as

1130
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: helping me.

1131
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just want to there's mother's helper roles and

1132
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: there's like, yes, they just want to cuddle, like they

1133
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be cooking and cleaning taking the trash out,

1134
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: which we definerately need as well.

1135
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: Yes, And that was something else that the woman that

1136
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: I was like when I was just kind of going

1137
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: through this, we're telling me they're like, look, family and

1138
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: friends are like super helpful, but at the end of

1139
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: the day, like they have their own lives too, Like

1140
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: they are not They did not decide to get pregnant

1141
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: and have a baby. So make sure that you have

1142
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: people who are dedicated to helping you. So what we're

1143
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: doing is hiring a family assistant who will be dedicated

1144
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: to me and Josh to help us because I want

1145
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: to be an actor like caregiver for the baby. I'm

1146
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: going to be the primary caregiver for the baby.

1147
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: But that means I don't want to worry about everything else.

1148
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: That makes sense, So everything else like like like family engagements,

1149
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: Like what are the holidays going to look like? Tell me?

1150
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I don't want to worry about decorating

1151
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: the tree.

1152
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, like I don't like Thanksgiving.

1153
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: You know. Someone was like, are you guys want to

1154
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: have Thanksgiving your house?

1155
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, absolutely not, but like if we are, they

1156
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: can manage it, like they can hire the shape or.

1157
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: Whatever, yes helper, yes, okay yea, or if.

1158
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: Like I want to go to I won't be flying

1159
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: for a while obviously, but I'm probably going to get

1160
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: stir crazy, So I want to go to Gatlinburg.

1161
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: So are you going?

1162
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: Can you look up the houses on Airbnb and like

1163
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: book it? You know, like, I just want to focus

1164
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: on me and baby and and then also give Josh

1165
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: a chance to focus on him transitioning into fatherhood and

1166
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: supporting me and supporting baby and not necessary all of

1167
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: the house management and life things falling on his plate

1168
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: either because he also you know, he's going to probably

1169
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: go back to work obviously faster than I am, So

1170
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: that's the plan.

1171
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: And then a night nurse for just like the first

1172
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: three months when I'm still at home on maternity leave,

1173
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: just to help me with healing and just learning how

1174
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: to take care of baby at night and then get

1175
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: some sleep. But hopefully by the time I'm back from.

1176
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: Matt leave, you know, he'll be sleeping mostly through the night,

1177
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: even if he wakes up like once.

1178
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: Or twice as much as a night nurse, Like what

1179
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: does that cost? Have you been like nicing it out yet?

1180
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I got a budget. Come on, man, I.

1181
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: Know who you are. Tell me though, because I'm genuinely curious.

1182
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a night nurse is anywhere.

1183
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: But sweet, there's different levels of night nurse, so the

1184
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: most senior night nurse or postpartum doula. There's all types

1185
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: of names, but basically someone who is certified to take

1186
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: care of the baby. I want someone who is also

1187
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: previously a actual nurse who has all the certifications.

1188
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: Okay, which I'm sure.

1189
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like thirty five thirty to thirty five dollars

1190
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 2: an hour.

1191
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so eight hours to forty.

1192
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: Six to eight hours depending on how because they can

1193
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: come in at like eleven you.

1194
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: Know, fift a week is about that, okay, And so.

1195
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: How many nights you do? You know, some people could

1196
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: do it just for two nights, right, some people do

1197
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: four nights. That also can help with like date nights

1198
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 3: and things like that. You know when throughout probably months,

1199
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: we're probably months and months away.

1200
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: From having a date night.

1201
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: But like certain scenarios in which you want someone the

1202
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: baby's already sleeping, but you need someone there.

1203
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: And again I also plaster.

1204
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: Of wine after nine pm and watch below deck for

1205
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: a few hours.

1206
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: Not be worried about what happened to be wakes up

1207
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, slightly tipsy. Yeah, exactly.

1208
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: But also breastfeed, So it's if you.

1209
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: Are not breastfeeding, it's a little bit different because you

1210
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: actually just sleep through the night.

1211
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: You're breastfeeding.

1212
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: You're still waking up to pump or like feed baby,

1213
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: but then you're not doing the purping and swaddling the diapers.

1214
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: You know someone else is doing.

1215
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: That because by the time you do all that shit,

1216
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 1: they're ready to eat again and you don't sleep. And yes,

1217
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: uh huh, yeah, I think that is money well spent. Absolutely.

1218
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1219
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, right now, because I work from home, I

1220
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: don't feel the when I was. Yes, when I was

1221
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: nine to five, it was real, it was plus it

1222
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: was the pandemic. God, it was it was a blur.

1223
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: It was so hard. But this time around, you know,

1224
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: I can take my little naps. And my husband got

1225
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: a longer paternity leave this time, which was amazing. He

1226
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: got twelve weeks this time versus six.

1227
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Did you guys had to go back After.

1228
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: We talked about it, but then like we just were

1229
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: enjoying it. So he just spent twelve weeks at home,

1230
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he got vacation days. You know, we'll

1231
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: figure we had such an amazing time. He just went

1232
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: back a couple of days ago and he enjoyed it.

1233
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I'm still, you know, loving it. But yeah,

1234
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: the whole sleeping at night situation is I just I

1235
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: get you get what you can, well, not that often.

1236
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to tell you what I do without

1237
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: getting shamed. Because here's a.

1238
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: Thing getting a night nurse. You don't think the girls

1239
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: are going to come for.

1240
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Me, but listen, they but it's someone who's qualified and

1241
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: they're a nurse and all this. If I told you

1242
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: what I was doing at night, some people would say,

1243
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: that's not Pediatric Approved American Society Apedia whatever it is

1244
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: APA approved, Like the moms would come for me on IG.

1245
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: But I co sleep with my baby, he and I.

1246
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: He sleeps on my chest for a good stretch of

1247
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: the night, and when he wants to feed, I just

1248
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: pup a boob out and he eats and he goes

1249
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: back to sleep in my chest. And it is delightful

1250
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: and I get sleep, he gets sleep. I don't have

1251
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: to get up because he's right there. I don't do

1252
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: the swaddling at night like I did with my first

1253
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: And when he naps during the day, he's usually napping

1254
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: on his tummy in the middle of the living room

1255
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: in the hard bascinette, and we watch him and he

1256
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: does amazing and he'll sleep so long and I don't

1257
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: have to stress about putting him down for a nap

1258
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: and getting the Like with my firstborn, we were insane

1259
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: because like you know, we had like the perfect We

1260
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: weren't insane, but we were very rigorous. I was about

1261
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: like the perfect blackout bedroom, blackout shades, white noise, machine blasting.

1262
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: It had to be everything had to be quiet, swaddled

1263
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: on his back, and if he didn't sleep for a

1264
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: full forty five minutes or a two hour nap, I

1265
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: had failed. And like, why isn't he sleeping? And da

1266
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: da da da, I don't even And I was tracking everything.

1267
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, they have the aps and oh girl, no,

1268
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: so I was tracking everything. And this time, like, first

1269
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: of all, I had to be more relaxed this time

1270
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: because I have a three year old running around the

1271
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: house and I'm not going to spend my day telling

1272
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: him to shush because he's never gonna because he's three

1273
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: and so and also, I don't want to be that

1274
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: mom that's like, shush, shushit. You can't no, no, no, no, no,

1275
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to. You know, it's just it's not

1276
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: fun for him. It's not fun for me. So it's

1277
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: like everything is baby and you know, like or you

1278
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: know that thing, and the baby will be there in

1279
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: the background. And so he slept, He's sleeping through construction

1280
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: next door. He sleeps through his brother screaming and crying

1281
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: and you know, horsing around. So we do what works

1282
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: for us. And I'm having a damn good time. And

1283
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: I'll decide Imani whether or not you can keep this

1284
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: in the show. But I wanted you to know Morgan

1285
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: that yeah, you'll figure your own you'll figure out your

1286
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: own strategies.

1287
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: I think this is the stuff that you know, we

1288
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,959
Speaker 2: as public figures are are have to tell people what's

1289
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: going on with our lives, because if you look at

1290
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: the stuff on the internet, you know, it's just tragic

1291
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: how much people shame things that actually people have been

1292
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: doing for centuries, like people have been closely being safely and.

1293
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: So I imagine I'm like an a medieval Yeah, I

1294
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: imagine I'm like in a medieval era where we're just

1295
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: like all sleeping like in the same room. And then

1296
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, the babies did this. I'm sure they did.

1297
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: It just feels so natural and so good and an

1298
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: educated women.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you're uninformed. You have every resource available

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 2: People have to trust that you are making the right

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Speaker 2: decision for yourself and the baby. Like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: not a situation in which you don't know about all

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Speaker 2: the things that people talk about. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: this is the freedom. This is the part that people

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Speaker 2: need to know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, Morgan sitting a night nurse, Manny's got

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Speaker 3: the baby, Like, it's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is. And if you decide to

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Speaker 1: And also like there's the element of you can have

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Speaker 1: your plan and then you have a human being who

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Speaker 1: you need to meet. And I'm so much more mentally

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Speaker 1: prepared for I was this time around that I'm getting

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Speaker 1: to know this baby. He's gonna be fussing and crying

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Speaker 1: because he I don't know what he needs yet. I

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Speaker 1: gotta get to know him, and so so many conversations

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Speaker 1: with him, I'm like, oh, so you don't like that, Okay, cool, cool,

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Speaker 1: got it now? Noting that for the future. And also

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Speaker 1: they change every three days or every couple of days too,

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Speaker 1: so what worked for him yesterday is not going to

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Speaker 1: work today. So it's like different baby every day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This whole matt Lee for me has just been such

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Speaker 1: a joy. That's why I'm like, I want another baby,

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Speaker 1: shocking myself. My husband's like, nah, no, not if you

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Speaker 1: have to get pregnant to do it. But I just

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Speaker 1: huge congratulations. I know I could talk to you forever

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Speaker 1: and ever about this. God did we not? Is there

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Speaker 1: something that we didn't touch on? I never did come

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Speaker 1: back to Bay But he'll be fine. I hope that

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Speaker 1: you have a healthy rest of your pregnancy. And I

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Speaker 1: don't even need to like at this point, you've done

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Speaker 1: I know you've done the research. You're going to find

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Speaker 1: out on your own, and you're going to be a brilliant,

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Speaker 1: brilliant mom. What a lucky baby, What a lucky baby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: huge congrats. I'm going to send you a little something too.

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Speaker 1: If you said, if you if you share your deeds

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Speaker 1: with me, will some stuff. Thank you, thanks cause I

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Speaker 1: can't come and put a crip together for you, which

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Speaker 1: I would do if I was in Nashville, but I'm

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Speaker 1: in New York.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that now. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: And I hope for any woman or person who's going

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Speaker 3: through this that's listening to.

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Speaker 2: Listening to us, who's an entrepreneur, who's.

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Speaker 3: A CEO, you know, or who is a side hustler

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Speaker 3: who's juggling different things, you know, just know that there

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Speaker 3: are an infinite amount of options. Is how you transition

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Speaker 3: into parenthood, and there's no one right, right, right way

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Speaker 3: to do it. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: you can prepare as much as possible, but just like

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Speaker 3: Mandy said, you know, you want to also be open

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Speaker 3: and flexible to whatever the universe and God has for

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Speaker 3: you and your baby. And sometimes that means just being

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Speaker 3: prepared for the whatever.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Being real good with whatever is the key

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Speaker 1: to my happiness. That's right, you are. I'm like constantly

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Speaker 1: my therapist is like, you're a leief. You're a leief

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Speaker 1: floating on the stream and it's going to change directions.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I'm a leaf. I am. Congrats Morgan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on Brown Ambition. Hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed the show. Definitely go check out Morgan's

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Speaker 1: brand new podcast, The Journey, which you can find you

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Speaker 1: know how to find podcasts you listen to this one.

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01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: Also definitely follow her on ig and The Journey has

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01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: its own page. She'll follow that as well. Follow Blavity,

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Speaker 1: follow All the Things Okay, and Morgan, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show again. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for supporting us all these years and just for

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Speaker 1: being the light that you are.

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Speaker 2: Thank you