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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hate to hit you

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Speaker 1: with the bad news at the beginning of the new year,

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Speaker 1: but the search for missing children goes on twenty four seven,

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Speaker 1: three sixty five, including today. Let's take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: It's been nearly a year since authorities and volunteers began

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Speaker 1: searching for two young boys or in an Orson West

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Speaker 1: in California City. Bakersfield Police officials releasing an update on

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Speaker 1: the case this week. The department says since June, they've

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Speaker 1: executed four more search warrants, interviewed thirty three more people, conducted,

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Speaker 1: eleven more mass area searches, and four out of state searches.

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Speaker 1: Over one hundred seventy items have also been collected since

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Speaker 1: BPD announced they were taking over the investigation in March.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing twenty three ABC in Bakersville. How did

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Speaker 1: we get here? Listen? You said you were searching for

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Speaker 1: two missing boys, ages three and four. The children Orson

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Speaker 1: West and or In West were last seen in the

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Speaker 1: ten thousand, seven hundred bloc of Aspen Avenue. They're described

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Speaker 1: as African American about three feet tall, both wearing black

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Speaker 1: sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. You were just hearing our friends

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Speaker 1: at KGET seventeen news that was Taylor Shop. And what

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Speaker 1: Taylor Shop said breaks my heart because I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: my children, John, David and Lucy at age three. They're

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Speaker 1: twins at three feet tall. Where these two wearing black

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Speaker 1: sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. Now, how does not one little

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Speaker 1: child disappear, say, at the shopping mall or at the playground?

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Speaker 1: How to two of them just disappear? With me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. Let me tell you first a name

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Speaker 1: you know very well. A hero and advocate, Mark Klass,

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Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids Foundation who's devoted his life

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Speaker 1: to finding missing people, especially children, at the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: his little girl, Polly. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer

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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor ANGELA Arnold, renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela

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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. You know this name very well.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and Director of the Cold Case Research Institute,

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Speaker 1: and crime scene expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: But first we're going to a special guest joining us

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Speaker 1: Bayon Wang with twenty three ABC in Bakersville. You know,

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Speaker 1: Byon first of all, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I've covered so many missing people cases, especially children, and

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Speaker 1: investigated them as a felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and I usually see one child missing, one person missing.

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Speaker 1: It's very rare, very rare, indeed, by On for two

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Speaker 1: children to go missing at the same time, and it

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Speaker 1: brings to mind, for instance, two little children playing in

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Speaker 1: the front yard and they decide to walk down the

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Speaker 1: street and then they're missing, or two children getting away

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Speaker 1: from mommy at the shopping mall. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: exactly what you can tell me surrounding the facts of

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Speaker 1: this case, Byon Wang, because every fact, every single fact,

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Speaker 1: means something, including the time of the day daylight or dark,

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Speaker 1: the type of neighborhood, residential, apartment, tree lined, business district,

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Speaker 1: shopping mall, every single thing matters. So Bayon Wing, first

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Speaker 1: of all, tell me about the area where did they

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Speaker 1: go missing. They went missing in California City, that's a

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Speaker 1: population of about fourteen thousand It's surrounded by hundreds of

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Speaker 1: What do you mean the third largest land area? I

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Speaker 1: mean the whole state of California is land. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean by the third largest Listen, Mayon, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your details, but I'm just a trial lawyer. You have

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Speaker 1: to break it down for people like me. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean the third largest land area? Well, Nancy, this

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Speaker 1: community is in the middle of the Mahadi Desert. I

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Speaker 1: mean you just go on Google Maps and we look

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Speaker 1: the community could imagine this case wang in on their hearts.

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Speaker 1: They are desperate to find these little guys. And you

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Speaker 1: know what else joining me twenty three ABC. I took

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Speaker 1: the twins well on many RV trips, but one of

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Speaker 1: You know, when you go in a federal park or

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Speaker 1: and we drove and we drove and did not see

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Speaker 1: go to our expert Mark Class Founder Class Kids at

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Speaker 1: Class Kids dot org. Mark that presents a big problem.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you've got a very small town, bigger

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Speaker 1: than where I grew up, Mark Class, but still fourteen

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Speaker 1: But then remember Mark Class, Liberty and Abigail and out

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Speaker 1: think it was a stranger. But you've got that factor

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Speaker 1: Mark Class combined with as beyond Wang Bayon Wang just

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Speaker 1: told us huge expanse of desert, nobody living there. That

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Speaker 1: presents a problem Mark Class defying this three and four

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Speaker 1: year old little boy. Indeed it does, Nancy, And to prefaces,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to say that, you know, even with COVID

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Speaker 1: going around the world like it is and really restricting

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Speaker 1: everybody's movements, Class Kids Foundation has had our busiest gear

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Speaker 1: ever with missing child cases. So this is a crime

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Speaker 1: that endures and just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Now,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and five to one hundred and fifteen stereotypical

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Speaker 1: when I say stereotypical stranger kidnappings, I mean somebody coming

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of those cases, there's only one child involved,

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Speaker 1: and more often than not, it would be a girl

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Speaker 1: between six and twelve years old. Okay, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the the fire Hyde. It's

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Speaker 1: too much, too fast. Hold on, I'm taking in everything

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Speaker 1: you're saying, which contradicts everything about this case that Bayon

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Speaker 1: Wang is telling us, and he's absolutely correct. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: so we're in a situation here where as as Bayon said,

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Speaker 1: the way you say that, Mark Class, it just, you know,

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Speaker 1: Byon Wang, twenty three ABC News. Okay, we went off

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, the tipline regarding these two little children

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Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. I get the area. Were they in

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Speaker 1: the mother was wrapping Christmas presence for the boys. Twenty

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Speaker 1: to me. You'll find out about this. But Jackie backed

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Speaker 1: not going to go into one because it's very mysterious,

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Speaker 1: but it's my understanding. The mom was wrapping Christmas gifts

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Speaker 1: too perfect. The minute I've heard it. What leaked out

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Speaker 1: but that's exactly what we do around Christmas. And I

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Speaker 1: that mom was wrapping Christmas gifts? Nancy, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: Search dogs found the boys scent inside the home, but

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Speaker 1: not outside. Officials also used cadaver dogs inside the residents.

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Speaker 1: They found no scent of human remains. A search warrant

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Speaker 1: collected things from the home, including electronics like cell phones,

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Speaker 1: and the parents van was also examined for any trace

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Speaker 1: amounts of blood. Nothing was found. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about two missing children, ages just three

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Speaker 1: and four, and these two little boys go missing from

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Speaker 1: their own home. Let me give you the tip line

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Speaker 1: yet again in the hopes that someone somewhere may have

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Speaker 1: seen something. Seven six zero three seven three eight six

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Speaker 1: zero six Tell me about the search. Joining me from

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Speaker 1: ABC twenty three is by Yon Wang. Tell me what

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Speaker 1: all has been done to find the children? Oh man, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this community has really come together. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about multiple searches, two ten thousand dollar rewards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these guys are scavenging the desert themselves, going, you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially through every neighborhood in that area. Unfortunately, though, there's

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Speaker 1: been absolutely no sign of the boys. And I think

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Speaker 1: earlier in the show, you guys were talking about the

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Speaker 1: significance of what a large area this is, the sprawling

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Speaker 1: desert that surrounds this community. Well, it's important to note

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Speaker 1: that police themselves, none of the authorities, the FBI, none

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Speaker 1: of them have started their search in the desert, and

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Speaker 1: that has caused a huge question in the community. You know,

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Speaker 1: what is it exactly that they know that isn't leading

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Speaker 1: them to search this sprawling desert. You would think your

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Speaker 1: natural instinct would be, hey, let's go see if they

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Speaker 1: could possibly be anywhere out there, whether they wandered off,

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Speaker 1: or whether their bodies end up ended up out there.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Essentially, the police chief for

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Speaker 1: the California City Police Department said, hey, look, our investigation

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Speaker 1: hasn't led us there right now, our focus is on

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Speaker 1: the home. We have absolutely no idea how these boys

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Speaker 1: got out of the backyard. Well, we're hearing what the

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Speaker 1: parents are saying, but following up on what Bayon just said,

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Speaker 1: I find this very troubling. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut seven. This is beyond speaking twenty three ABC. A

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Speaker 1: lot of neighbors told me that the parents have been

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Speaker 1: virtually absent from all search efforts raising a lot of

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Speaker 1: concern out here in California City. But the adoptive parents

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Speaker 1: told me that's because they've been busy with the police investigation,

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Speaker 1: and that police told them that they don't need to

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Speaker 1: be out there searching because there's already an adequate amount

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Speaker 1: of people doing so. Straight back to Mark Class, founder

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Speaker 1: of Class Kiss Foundation. You know, Mark Class, I understand

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Speaker 1: they're saying the cops told him to stay in the house.

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Speaker 1: I would find that very very difficult to do if

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Speaker 1: one of my children went missing. I've told you about

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Speaker 1: the episode when John David disappeared inside a giant to

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Speaker 1: Babies r Us warehouse. I would find it very hard

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Speaker 1: to control myself and not go looking. Mark Class, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind, was you recount what you did

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Speaker 1: when Polly went missing? Well, I pulled out all the stops, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and one of the first things I did is tell

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Speaker 1: the FBI and the Pedaloom police that I'd be willing

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Speaker 1: to sit for a polygraph. And I also noticed the

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Speaker 1: FBI is involved. You don't normally see the FBI jumping

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Speaker 1: in on a missing person's case. I want you to

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our Frias at KGET seventeen pearla

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Speaker 1: shhen listen. California City Police say they searched this house

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Speaker 1: last night with canines. The canines were looking for the

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Speaker 1: scent of the two boys inside. They smelled the scent

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Speaker 1: inside the house, but they didn't smell it leaving the house,

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Speaker 1: so police are concerned that the children never even left

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Speaker 1: the house. About an hour ago, cal City Police drove

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Speaker 1: the father and mother away. They weren't in handcuffs and

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Speaker 1: went willingly with police, but police would not confirm why

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Speaker 1: they took the mother and father away. Dozens of residents

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Speaker 1: drove and walked around this home last night looking for

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Speaker 1: the two boys. Right now, many of them are still

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Speaker 1: out here waiting for an update from police. Many came

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Speaker 1: out again today to continue the search. So far, they

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Speaker 1: found nothing. Police told the parents to stay inside their house. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing somebody. I'm not sure who that was, but

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Speaker 1: I want to guess, Well, the whole the whole idea

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Speaker 1: of letting other people tell you how to handle your

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Speaker 1: missing child case, I think raises a lot of issues.

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Speaker 1: Your inclination when your child is missing is to get

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Speaker 1: out there and absolutely do something, which is what I did,

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Speaker 1: which is what the Smart family did, which is what

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Speaker 1: so many families did. And the whole idea that you

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Speaker 1: would hunker into the house only leads people to believe

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Speaker 1: that you were hiding something. And when you that perception

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Speaker 1: takes hold in the community, then you it becomes problematic

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Speaker 1: yet again, because people are going, well, what are they hiding.

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Speaker 1: They're not coming out, they're not talking to anybody, they're

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Speaker 1: not involved in the searches. There's something that seems very

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Speaker 1: wrong with that, and I personally agree that it does

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Speaker 1: seem very wrong. You know what is disturbing me more

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Speaker 1: than the parents being told to stay in home and

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Speaker 1: don't go out in search and them doing it, is

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Speaker 1: the fact to you, Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Fee Search,

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Speaker 1: is it to you? You know, I'm a great believer

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Speaker 1: and tracker dogs. In fact, I've told you many many times,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, the best, one of the best witnesses I've

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Speaker 1: ever put on the stand was a dog. The tracker

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Speaker 1: dogs go in, they smell the scent of the children

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Speaker 1: in the home, but they can't pick up the children.

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Speaker 1: The center of the children leaving the home. Cheryl, that's

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Speaker 1: a great concerned Nancy, because again, in a missing childcake,

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Speaker 1: you've got four lanes that you're investigating in this all time,

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Speaker 1: and you're doing it simultaneously. You're obviously looking at the parents.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at is this a stranger abduction? You're going

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Speaker 1: to look at, is this an acquaintance, Is there's somebody

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood the children knew and lin to that

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Speaker 1: home or are the children lost or hurt? It looks

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Speaker 1: like law enforcement has already gotten rid of the lost

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Speaker 1: or hurt avenue. They don't believe that it's a stranger

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Speaker 1: because they're again not moving away from that backyard. The

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Speaker 1: father himself repeated the word dirt more than one. He

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Speaker 1: said backyard, backyard, and then he said search the backyard.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd basically tell the law enforce it where

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Speaker 1: to start. Way. J. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer

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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Jump in, Kathleen, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: as a mother, just as a mother, not even as

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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, you would not have my eyes off

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Speaker 1: of a three year old and a four year old

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Speaker 1: in that backyard area. And I don't know how close

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Speaker 1: the father was, but it does not add everything that

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Speaker 1: Cheryl has said, everything Mark has said, everything Byron has said,

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Speaker 1: everything you have said, it does not add up. And

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Speaker 1: I'm very sad right now. To doctor Angela Arnold, Psychiatrists

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Speaker 1: out of Atlanta, the parents are saying law enforcement told

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Speaker 1: him to stay inside and don't go looking. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of it? It just seems that just seems

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Speaker 1: so odd. I'll tell you one of the other things

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Speaker 1: that struck me too, Nancy, this whole thing that we

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Speaker 1: have to look at them on TV with mask covering

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Speaker 1: their faces. Right, how often do we look at people

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Speaker 1: on the news and you can and everybody can sort

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Speaker 1: of tell are they telling the truth? Are they not

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Speaker 1: telling the truth? But now these people's entire faces are

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Speaker 1: covered with a mask and you can't tell anything about

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Speaker 1: their initial reaction. And that is very bothersome to me

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Speaker 1: because that's I feel like there's so much information that

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Speaker 1: can be garnered from that and it's and it's all

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Speaker 1: a blank slate at this point. Mayon Wang, Reporter twenty

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Speaker 1: three ABC. Where does the search stand right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: multiple community efforts. You know, obviously authorities aren't telling us

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, behind closed doors. But you

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Speaker 1: know the community search Bakersfield as well, which we're learning

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Speaker 1: the adoptive parents lived in Bakersfield prior to moving California City,

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Speaker 1: so the community is out there also doing various searches.

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Speaker 1: That's the latest that we have on the search front.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The Bakersfield Police Department announced

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Speaker 1: on March first that they were taking over the lead

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Speaker 1: in the West Boys investigation. This for several reasons. The

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Speaker 1: agency had already served several search warrants in connection to

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Speaker 1: the case at that point, including at the property of

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Speaker 1: the adoptive grandparents. Twenty three ABC's Mithily Gooby has an

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Speaker 1: update now from Bakersfield Police on where they stand tonight

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Speaker 1: with the search. We are doing everything we lawfully can

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Speaker 1: to solve the case. The Bakersfield Police Department says they

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Speaker 1: have been involved in the investigation of the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Orson and or in West since the beginning, once it

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Speaker 1: was established that historically the boys are from Bakersfield, their

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Speaker 1: families from Bakersfield, their history was in Bakersfield. On March first,

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Speaker 1: the department announced that they formally took over the case

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Speaker 1: through their investigation with other law enforcement partners. As of

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Speaker 1: December fourteenth, BPD says they have done about one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixteen interviews with people connected to the case and

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Speaker 1: have seized about one hundred and seventy items, but that

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Speaker 1: number was as of June twenty twenty one. Since the

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Speaker 1: reported disappearance, BPD says they've also executed about forty eight

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Speaker 1: search warrants, got more than two hundred tips, conducted four

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Speaker 1: out of state searches, and have done twenty seven area

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Speaker 1: searches as well. And even though Sergeant Robert pet doesn't

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Speaker 1: frequently share updates about the case, he says BPD is

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Speaker 1: still working to find the boys. The investigation hasn't stopped

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Speaker 1: just because on a daily basis, we don't tell you

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. Tipline seven six zero three seven three

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Speaker 1: eighty six zero six please help us bring orson and

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Speaker 1: orn hum Nancy Grace crime story. Signing off, goodbye for you,