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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. I'm Peenut Tillman and this is the.

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Speaker 2: NFL Player's Second Act podcast and with me as always

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Speaker 2: as my trustee co host, Roman Harper.

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Speaker 1: I got no nicknames for you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that you're being normal, but it's only uh,

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Speaker 3: you're usually fanboying when this next, this next guest is around.

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Speaker 3: But we're all on our best behavior because we've got

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Speaker 3: family in the room. So I just get through the names.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's go through it. Go through the resume, which

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Speaker 3: he really doesn't need a lot to explain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hall of Fame running back, NFL and VP, pro bowler,

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Speaker 2: All Pro author, humanitarian, ambassador, businessman, Ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 2: welcome Barry Sands to the pop.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: I could have I could have said so much morement

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Speaker 2: I'm just so I'm happy right now because you were

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Speaker 2: my favorite player as a kid. I was so my

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Speaker 2: nickname is Peanut. I'm a little guy. You were a

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Speaker 2: smaller guy. I never played running back, but I just

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Speaker 2: modeled my game after you as a dB or just

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Speaker 2: as a little kid when I used to play, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the yard in the hood. So I just was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: we got we got Barry on the show, Like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this's gonna be dope.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be it's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be real dope.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited, even though I know you, I'm still

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Speaker 2: excited just to have you on Apostle.

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Speaker 1: This is pretty cool. Great to be here, man, Great

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Speaker 1: to be here. Glad to know I influenced you in

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Speaker 1: some way.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you influenced so many people. You influenced a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. You are him.

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Speaker 3: I still call you my favorite running back in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So and he too.

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Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you. P Nut and I

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Speaker 3: we were when we were in Detroit at the draft.

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Speaker 3: P Nut and I are sitting there. We have our

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Speaker 3: two younger kids with us. I had my son. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my son.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we're sitting out there and we're out

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Speaker 3: all in. We got our kids with us. We also

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Speaker 3: have some flag football kid that they gave everybody to

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Speaker 1: This is true.

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Speaker 3: Peanuts Shorter and Pa and then another spare football kid right,

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Speaker 3: and we're sitting there and we're just taking the videos

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Speaker 3: like what everybody does nowadays. And we looked to our

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Speaker 3: right and is Barry Sanders just like from.

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Speaker 1: Like right here.

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Speaker 3: And he's just standing there and you're being your normal

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Speaker 3: Barry Sanders person, kind of just in the back, not

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Speaker 3: trying to make a scene. Just I'm out here chilling,

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Speaker 3: And so you have not only influenced us, but you've

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Speaker 3: also influenced a whole other generation of younger people as

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Speaker 3: well by just being you, which is just a humble person.

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Speaker 3: You came over, took a picture and was just like yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: My daughter no idea who.

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Speaker 2: You were, but I was thankful that you came and

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Speaker 1: I was like, do you know what that is? She

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. So thank you for such a great

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Speaker 1: People, it might have been the best draft. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no argument for me, it might have been the best draft.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think Detroit was going to show up and

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Y'all came through. It was awesome. It was great.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome for the city. I thought

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Speaker 3: Let's also be honest. There was no crime as well.

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Speaker 3: Nothing bad happened, nothing it went, nothing bad that happens.

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Speaker 3: We can come back, absolutely, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: That's especially that many people gathering downtown Detroit. You know,

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Speaker 3: you all right, Barry, listen, our first real question is

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Speaker 3: why did you choose number of twenty? We're going around

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Speaker 1: I picked number twenty. Excuse me when I When I

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Speaker 1: who were number twenty, and he said, Coach Sponsor was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to put you in Billy Sims number.

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Speaker 1: And growing up being a big fan of Billy Sims

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Speaker 1: But for me, it was it was an absolute privilege.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a welcome to the NFL moment?

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Speaker 2: I know we all are humbled when we get to

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Speaker 2: this next level. What was your humbling moment when when

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Speaker 1: I think my welcome to the NFL moment. I feel

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Speaker 1: I you know, I'm pretty sure you know, obviously I

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure he got me a few times whatever.

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Speaker 1: what was different. Deal? What was the hardest hit you took?

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Speaker 2: Where you was you got up because normally you're you know,

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Speaker 1: Block this guy? Was it was? There? Was there that

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Speaker 1: I know that that game in particular, I remember getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah you like like you like that, right, you almost

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Speaker 1: It, you know, but but I remember I remember that happened.

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Speaker 1: But you mean, just like throughout my career, the hardest hit,

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Speaker 1: But but I would say the hardest hit would probably be,

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Speaker 3: And you had to block.

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Speaker 1: Blitz. It was never because you know, you guys knew that.

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Speaker 3: All the sense in the world. Yes, versus Barry Sanders,

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Speaker 3: when they keep him in on third down, we are blitzing,

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Speaker 2: Did you think about returning puncher kicks when you got

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Speaker 1: Or did you try to? Yeah? I would have loved to,

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Speaker 1: because that's that's what I did in college.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I did in college. And I felt like, I'm

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Speaker 1: So I thought about it. I just think coach Coach Fonts,

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Speaker 1: there's the risk side of it. There was that Curvis

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Speaker 1: would have been glad to do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked that this conversation never came up. Like you

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Speaker 3: were so good at punt return and everything else in college.

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Speaker 3: We had some guys we had we had this guy

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Speaker 3: named Mail Gray. Oh yeah, I forgot great. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: was a great half.

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Speaker 1: My size, right, he was half my size, but just

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Speaker 1: no fear. Now, I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't like that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, mal Gray, great, great guy, no fear.

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Speaker 3: soften all of that. Do you think it's because of

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Speaker 3: the space or like what is it? I just would

435
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: like to know myself? Oh, personally, Yeah, I think for me,

436
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: it's something it's something I try to get more comfortable

437
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: with over years and and and even with like social media.

438
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: It's something that I didn't grow up with it, but

439
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: but you know, post career, it's.

440
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: Just ever present. It's all over the place, right, So

441
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, my kids, you know, they've they've grown up

442
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: with it, right, and so there's a certain you know,

443
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of adopted it to some degree and because

444
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: of that, you know, but but yeah, I mean it's

445
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. I mean, it's just kind of a you

446
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: know what, especially this generation of athlete. You know, it's, uh,

447
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: it's just second nature to them and they you know,

448
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: hopefully they balance it well. And and and you take

449
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: guys like I mean, you take the biggest athletes, whether

450
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: it's someone like Lebron or whatever, and they understand the

451
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: value right, right, and they use it in a certain way,

452
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, And so and so yeah, for me, I've

453
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: tried to tried to come along. You know, I know

454
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm a little slow with it, but I've tried to

455
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: come along with it, and I think, for the most

456
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: part is that positive.

457
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: I think, I know we've been blessed to play in this.

458
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: I played my thirteen. You play what ten? You've been blessed?

459
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: You played, don't We've been blessed. We got thousands and

460
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: thousands of man, we got thousands.

461
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: Of snaps on us.

462
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure I could I could tell you,

463
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: like my number one favorite play of my career, just

464
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Barry Centers have a favorite.

465
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Speaker 1: Play anytime we played the Bears, you know, anytime we

466
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Speaker 1: played the Bears, you know, right, love, come on tell

467
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Speaker 1: me that. I was, like, I want to know, because

468
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't out there. I wasn't out there. No. But

469
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: the play that I think about a lot is my

470
00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: first run from scrimmage, my first run just because and

471
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: what team was that we were. We were playing the

472
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. I think they had just moved. I

473
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: think they had just moved from Saint Louis, but Arizona

474
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: Cardinals nineteen eighty nine, September whatever. I had I had

475
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: set out of camp, right, I missed all the camp

476
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: training camp. I signed the with the Wednesday or Thursday

477
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Speaker 1: before the first game, so I wasn't supposed to play,

478
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: and coach spont said, well, we'll put you in your

479
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: uniform just so the fans can see you whatever, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: And because you know, I hadn't hadn't had any you know,

481
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I hadn't, you know, and so and so during the game,

482
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Speaker 1: it was I guess around I don't know, the end

483
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Speaker 1: of the third quarter or something like that. I mean,

484
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: he asked me, did I want to go in the game,

485
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'll go in. And so

486
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: they just showed me. They showed me a few plays

487
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and I go in and my first

488
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: run was for like seven teen yard or something like that.

489
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: They always show it. Yeah, and and you know, that

490
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the start of my NFL career.

491
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: You know, that's the one that you know, it was. Yeah,

492
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: so and the fan, the fans just they just woke

493
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: up in the silver arm. I mean, they just went crazy,

494
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: just woke up because well, it was you know, to

495
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: that point, it was kind of a you know, boring game.

496
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: You know, and and so and so. Yeah, so there's

497
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: that one. There's the one.

498
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: There's one in the playoffs against the Cowboys, of course,

499
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: you know where it's kind of off tackle play to

500
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: the right and kind of go into a crowd and

501
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: bounce off with one of their guys and and keep

502
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Speaker 3: running for a touchdown. And that was you know, that

503
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: was my only playoff win during that game and really

504
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: kind of before that Cowboy dynasty, right, you know, so

505
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: there's that one. So yeah, did you know that the

506
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: one d Lineman I don't even remember who it was,

507
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: the one that kind of like gave up on the play.

508
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: He was kind of just chilling and then all of

509
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: a sudden, you're like running right by him, Like did

510
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: you see any of that? Like like what stood out?

511
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: I think yeah it was. It was so like did

512
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: you like, when you're doing all these things, are you

513
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: seeing the small little how slow.

514
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: Is the game for you? As you're breaking down?

515
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: Boom you make guys run into each other, you know,

516
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: the one versus the Patriots where you got my face

517
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: way and then he goes back this way, like are

518
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: you just doing this? Like playing with these people? Like

519
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: how are you doing this? They told me this, How

520
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: slow is this for you? When all these things are

521
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: going on? What details do you see?

522
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because because it was always you know,

523
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: going going back and watching it right right right, and

524
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: watching it always look kind of different, right because you

525
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: never really know how it looks because everything happened so fast.

526
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't know if I can

527
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: say the game slowed down. Okay, I guess that's good.

528
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's a good way to put it.

529
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, being at you know, being young,

530
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: being athletic, and and just for me, I just always

531
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: felt like I was a natural runner, right and being

532
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: able to put you know, being able to sometimes put

533
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: defense guy in a bad situation what you know, however

534
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: you want to call it.

535
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: That's nicely, you know, I appreciate that very you know,

536
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: it's mutual.

537
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and so and so, Yeah, I think, but

538
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: that was the thing that was always for me sort

539
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: of interesting. Is that now? I mean, you're not seeing

540
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: every detail, so no, during that run, I don't I

541
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: don't recall seeing Tony necessarily the way that he Ye,

542
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: he was.

543
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: Chilling, he was chilling, literally chilling.

544
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: Is there ever a fault when you when you make

545
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: a move on a guy like I've seen, I mean,

546
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: your your entire highlight reel, is you just going one

547
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: way and bouncing this way and going that way in

548
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: your mind? Are you're like, we got him? Yeah, I

549
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: fin to get him right, yep, got him too, hah,

550
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: keep going like do you ever think that? Because I

551
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: know when I would come up forward time, I.

552
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: Was like often to get him the business.

553
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: He ain't looking, I'm finna and I just you tee

554
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: off into a guy or whatever. Observe any thought processing

555
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: that when you like, I'm making this guy I'm making

556
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: not really, because I know, for me, a.

557
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: Couple of times I was like, offinite, Oh yeah, he ain't.

558
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm finn to punch this because it's happening to me.

559
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: I feel like it's happening so fast. It's happening so

560
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: fast that I'm not necessarily thinking that now. Yeah, I'm

561
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: definitely trying to give him you know whatever. Yeah, but yeah,

562
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: but because you don't, because you know, I mean the

563
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: great thing about highlights, right is that they show all.

564
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: Your all your great plays, you know. I mean, you

565
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: know I did believe it or not. I did have

566
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: some negative ones, you know, so they don't ever show those.

567
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: They never exactly.

568
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: I got some numbers for you. I'm gonna talk to

569
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: you about that a little bit later. Really, yeah, okay, no, no, no, no, no.

570
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: All right, so pick it up. I got one for you.

571
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Did you know that you were one touchdown away from

572
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: a hundred when you retire?

573
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: When I retired, did I know that? Yeah? No, you

574
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: did not know. If you would have known that, do

575
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you think that would have changed? Oh?

576
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: Lord, don't make the whole sites about so this question

577
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: has come from my producer.

578
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: So all right, but do you think if you would

579
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 2: have known you were one away from one hundred.

580
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: You would just changed things? I don't. I don't think so,

581
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. It's funny because when I when

582
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I first saw that, then I just thought about the

583
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: few times that runs got called back, you know, for

584
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: like you know, stupid holding penalties whatever, or a lot

585
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: of times you know, sometimes they would take me out

586
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: on goal line situations, you know, and bring in like

587
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the heavy package whatever you know. So but but no,

588
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't know that I would

589
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: have I probably would not have hung on for another year,

590
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: just just because of that for that reason, does that

591
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: actually is pretty good? Though? Yeah? I mean that's that's

592
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: that's great. They could have actually Roger Roger Goodell, he

593
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: could have just he could have just given me the

594
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: extra touchdown you just added added to the record.

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: He's still he still can just call him up on

596
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: the phone. I think he still can't.

597
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Does that actually piss you off? Though?

598
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: When you do all the I ain't gonna say you

599
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: do all the work, but when you do a lot

600
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: of you carry a lot of the load and you

601
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: take it down on the goal line and you're like,

602
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: all right, pull you out and then bring another guy in.

603
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: Does that kind of like, God, dang it, we got

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: this close.

605
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: Let me just going to finish it.

606
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes, yeah, sometimes I would have definitely lobbied, you know,

607
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe I could have lobbied a little

608
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: harder to stay in.

609
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: But you know it, I can't complain. But yeah, so

610
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: in the moment, Yeah, sometimes you have that feeling.

611
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: You can complain.

612
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: It's okay, You've you've earned the right to complain, you

613
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: know what.

614
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: Talking about complaints, you know, this is something that's off

615
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: the cuff, completely off the cuff. Before we go in

616
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: fullback versus no fullback. This is like a huge thing

617
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: for Barry Sanders' career. Everybody had, you know, EMMITTT. Smith

618
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: had Moose. Everybody talked about how great it was. That's

619
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: who everybody compared you to all the time. At the

620
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: time he had a fullback. You didn't what was the benefit?

621
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Did you want to full back? Tell me the benefits and.

622
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: The negatives or pros and cons. Yeah, well, well if

623
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about pros, then I would say, yeah, if

624
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: you if you're saying give me Moose, don okay, absolutely,

625
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: God give me give me Moose. There was only one.

626
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I love you guys like that. But you know, I

627
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: don't think even even like we had a guy, he

628
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily well known like those guys was naming Cory Slashinger.

629
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, he was good, he was a good blocker. Yeah,

630
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: but everybody's not those guys, right, you know, So, so

631
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: it really it really kind of depends on that. It

632
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: depends on obviously when you think about Moose. You know

633
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: you also, I mean, you know, the look at the

634
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: offensive line like right, yes, yeah, but but I grew up,

635
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: I grew up playing that brand right with a fullback,

636
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, I, you know, dotting the I type formation.

637
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: So that's something that I would have been comfortable with,

638
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, with underwrite circumstances.

639
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right. I just I just remember this

640
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: very vividly that used to always talk about, well, Barry

641
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: Sanders doesn't he didn't want a full back because you

642
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: guys were more of a sin running shoot. So it

643
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 3: was just a different style and it you know, I

644
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: just always wanted that, and it just came to my head, like, dude,

645
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: that's not in the thing, but I wanted to know

646
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: that because that was something they always talked about when

647
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: I was watching the games, was the fullback versus Barry Sanders,

648
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: like the kind of one of the few running backs

649
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: at the time that was just one single running back.

650
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean my my first year, and I

651
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: mean I had so many different offensive coordinators, but my

652
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: first season it was a guy named Mouse Davis, I

653
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: think Mouse Mouse Davis and then maybe the name June Jones,

654
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: you may June. Both of those guys kind of absolutely yeah,

655
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: they were they were at the forefront of like the

656
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: whole running shoot, uh philosophy and offense, and so that's

657
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: what we did. So that was a that was a

658
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: change for me right coming out of college because I

659
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: had a fullback in college, and so the whole running

660
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: shoot thing that was, yeah, I was I was just

661
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: learning it myself. When I got to Detroit. I had

662
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: never heard about it, you know. So, so but to

663
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: answer your question, yeah, I mean running shot was good

664
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: for certain things, you know, but not having a tight end,

665
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, it just felt like, you know, those the

666
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: ends were like naked, you know what I mean, Like

667
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: it just feels like someone needs to be over here,

668
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but but but I feel like, you know,

669
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think defenses were still trying to figure

670
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: it out too, right, you know. So there were certain

671
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: advantages to it, but but.

672
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: You know, make long you know the again, ask you

673
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: a question. Yes, I would love to have Mose Johnson

674
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: in front of it.

675
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: That's the question.

676
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm glad that your birthday comes every year, but I

677
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: think it was really could this year because you know,

678
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: you've just recovered from your health situation. So what does

679
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: it mean do you take a little bit more advantage of.

680
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: It last year? Yeah? I mean right, last year June

681
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: of twenty four right, June fourteenth, I believe it was

682
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: had like a heart attack and so and so, yeah,

683
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean this was a special birthday. Yes, is getting

684
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and you know, just really learning about heart disease and learning,

685
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, meeting other people who's had different struggles. You

686
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: know mine mine could have been much worse. But but yeah,

687
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: so so just understanding like you know, different risk factors

688
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: and and just becoming aware that you know, and really

689
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: meeting people who you know, some people have the hereditary

690
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: factors that play into it. It's not like they can

691
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: really do anything about it, you know. And and so

692
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: but for me, it's been a real education and it's

693
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: been drape because just understanding you know, just things like

694
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: what a heart healthy workout is, you know, and that

695
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and you know, incorporating that into my life,

696
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, doing more walking and and so yeah, it's

697
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: been it's been very beneficial in a lot of ways.

698
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: Just so so yeah, to answer your question, Yeah, it's

699
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: been big year. The birthday I didn't I didn't do

700
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: a big birthday badge, but it was significant just because

701
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: of what happened last year.

702
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: And I saw you were you're working on another doctor

703
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: making of a heart attack and that's where you come

704
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: in with some other people to talk about the same

705
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: things you talked about, where you discuss having some you know,

706
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: your stroke and discovering the hidden secrets or a heart attack. Yeah, sorry,

707
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: a heart attack, but I think others that had some

708
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: other conversations, and so.

709
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: You gotstro closely tied and there was there was the

710
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: making of a heart attack documentary that I was a

711
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: part of, and really just talking about my story, but

712
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: also the story of really just other individuals who, I

713
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: mean some some of the things that some of the

714
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: things that some of these individuals have have just been

715
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: able to fight through right come out on the other

716
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: side of and just be really staunch advocates for you know,

717
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: it's really amazing and and so yeah, it's been to me,

718
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: it's just been a real, real sort of education and

719
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we're going to help a lot

720
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: of people just because so many people don't so many

721
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: of us don't understand, don't know what a lot of

722
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: those risk risk factors are, you know, and so it

723
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: gets into you know, just whether it's your diet or

724
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: whether you know, having those conversations with your doctor about

725
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, about back cholesterol and what you can do

726
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: to lower it, you know, and and starting as early

727
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: as possible and and all that stuff. But but yeah,

728
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: I was I was excited to be a part of that,

729
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: just because when you to me, those stories of those

730
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: individuals really just have just a very powerful you know,

731
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: and and and we all it's funny because none of us,

732
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're when we first had had certain symptoms,

733
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: was thinking heart attack, right, So that's how that's how

734
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: deceptive it can be. And that's why I think it's

735
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: a great information piece for a lot of people. So yeah,

736
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: it was great to be a part of that.

737
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: You always say it though, and when you're affected by something,

738
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: you become an advocate. You become an advocate for it.

739
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: So my my daughter, uh sh had a heart transplant.

740
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: Knew nothing about hearts, knew nothing about heart disease or

741
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: any anything like that. And today actually her seventeenth heart

742
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: day of all days. But I became an advocate for

743
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: transplants or organ donation because she received one, and learning

744
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: about it and and and just kind of educating myself

745
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: in the public and letting people know, like, you know,

746
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: it's it's it's actually a good thing, and it is

747
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: a great thing to be an organ donor and just

748
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: just educating yourself ultimately is what I did. Now I'm

749
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: a huge advocate for UH organ transplants and and and

750
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: being a donor and just everything about the heart kind

751
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: of educating myself.

752
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: And I mean I was really into Google looking up.

753
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: These crazy words that I had no idea how to spell.

754
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: Uh what I want to ask you? You can get more

755
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: serious than that than you only got one. It's crazy

756
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: you only you only you only got one? How are

757
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: you feeling the day right now? How how's your health

758
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: right now? Real good? Feel good. I was able to,

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, get some good treatments from the doctors and

760
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: and really get good good plan going forward. Yeah, right,

761
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and just being you know, I had to lose little weight.

762
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: I probably probably could, you know, lose maybe five or

763
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: ten more pounds, but just really understanding how to move

764
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: forward after it and lower those risk factors, you know. Yeah,

765
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel I feel really good. Deserve a

766
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: moment where you were in the hospital.

767
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: He was just like, damn, I just had a heart attack.

768
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: Like I gotta, I gotta get my life together. I

769
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: gotta switch some things up. I gotta I really got

770
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: was there was that that one moment like an epiphany,

771
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: was just like, Holy, this is this is not cool.

772
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: I gotta I really need to be here from my family,

773
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: my kids, my you know, friends. What was there reserve

774
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: of that moment for you where you just had to

775
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: sit there and just kind of take a step back

776
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: and just like really process what had happened.

777
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: It sounds like you were there, man with me.

778
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: You must have been there, because no, for sure, because

779
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, I went in and I just had like this.

780
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Little mile kind of burning in the middle of my chest.

781
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking. I wasn't thinking a heart attack, you know.

782
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: And so when they when they said those words, I

783
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: was like, wow, are you serious? And I was there

784
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: for like three days at the hospital, so that gave

785
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: me a lot of time to just reflect like wow,

786
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, how is this possible? Right? Right? I mean

787
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything crazy.

788
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: I wasn't I wasn't someone who you know, my weight

789
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: wasn't far out of control or whatever, you know, and

790
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: then you know, just other habits or whatever. And so

791
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I certainly had had those moments, but

792
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: like I said, there's a lot I learned that I

793
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: could be doing. It's as far as being more active

794
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: in the right way right and cutting back on certain things,

795
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: and even like you know, with certain medications you may

796
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: have to go on, you know, to the lower your

797
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: back cholesterol. So you know, because I you know, I was,

798
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: you know, I was in my mid fifties, so I mean,

799
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: you know, that's certainly the age where certain things start

800
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: to change, things, things happen, whatever, and I was. I'm

801
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: fortunate enough that I was able to have that experience

802
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: but also really move on in more you know, normal

803
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: kind of regular ways as far as its not having

804
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: lingering effects, you know, in my daily life, you know. So,

805
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: but yeah, I absolutely had those kind of moments where

806
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: I was reflecting, like wow.

807
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean how you know, how how is this possible?

808
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: How did I get here where it's this serious of

809
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: a condition. You know that that brought about something like this.

810
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: So absolutely, Barry tell me this man, and I hope

811
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: you can share a really good story or maybe some insight,

812
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: because we all go through something at some point in life,

813
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: and for somebody like you, where dude, some of us

814
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: look at you as like invincible or Superman. You weren't

815
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: hurt a lot, Nobody ever could hit you and all

816
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: of a sudden, something like a heart attack is the

817
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: thing that slows you down or is the one that's

818
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: gonna trip you up. How do you not go into

819
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: this place of blaming or why woe is me? And

820
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: you look at it's like, oh no, well, this is

821
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: what I could be doing. How maybe give some of

822
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: our viewers or our listeners a perspective into that from

823
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: your from your eyes, from your view of Barry Sanders

824
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: the Great, And then how I bounce back from something

825
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: like this? Well, for me, I think I guess it

826
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: all always comes back to, like your perspective whatever. But

827
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: I realized, I mean I realized that although it was

828
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: something very serious that happened, but you know, there's also

829
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: things you could do to prevent it, to help prevent it,

830
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: to to you know, lessen your your chances of it

831
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: happening again, even like even you know, some of the

832
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: individuals that I met through the making of an art

833
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: attack documentary, seeing just what type of advocates they are,

834
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: right and how fierce of advocs advocates they are and

835
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: getting the word out right, and and but also just

836
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: you know, back back to my own case, just just

837
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: understanding that you know. I mean, I wasn't you know,

838
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't a heart attack or a stroke. It's one

839
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: of those things where it happens every.

840
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Forty seconds or something like that. And and sometimes you don't,

841
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get a chance, right, you don't

842
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: get a second chance, right. And so for me, I

843
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: guess my outlook is. You know, I'm I'm here, I'm alert.

844
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have sort of lingering lingering effects.

845
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know people who who suffered

846
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: a heart attack or stroke and it takes years to

847
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: get back right, and and so you know, these these

848
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: are very serious things. And and and if you can

849
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: live to tell about it and talk about it and

850
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: those kinds of things, it's you're really fortunate. And so

851
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of how I see it

852
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: that that, you know, and I you know, I mean,

853
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: like you said, people may see me as invincible. Obviously,

854
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: I understand that I'm not invincible, you know.

855
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: And and uh, and you know, I mean, like I

856
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: said before, I'm I'm mid fifties.

857
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not.

858
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm not twenty years old anymore, you know, and and

859
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: uh and and so and so yeah, I mean so

860
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of how I said that, Like it's

861
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: a great, great chance to get the word about out

862
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: about something that hopefully other people can help prevent, you know,

863
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: and it happens far too often, you know. And and

864
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: and you know, I think also just you know, you know,

865
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: I was really supported and embraced my family. You know,

866
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: my mom still she's still here, you know. And and

867
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 3: I mean for me, I know, I have a lot

868
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: to live for, you know, and look forward to, you know.

869
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: And and so I didn't, you know, And so that

870
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: was more you know, my perspective that you know, let me,

871
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: let me see what I can do to get better,

872
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, and and improve my own situation, and also

873
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, maybe help help others, you know, to to

874
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: see if I can maybe help them prevent you know,

875
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: the same thing from happening. We're gonna take a short

876
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: break and we'll.

877
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: Be right back.

878
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: Are you still working with the lines as an ambassador?

879
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: Yes?

880
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: I mean you've got to be the best ambassador for them.

881
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: How you how you enjoyed that? How did that come about?

882
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, cause you kind of walked away.

883
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: Now you're back as the ambassador.

884
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: It's been great, it's been great. I mean last night

885
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: I went to dinner with with some with some with

886
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson and a few other like season ticket holders,

887
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: right and so and so that's like heavy lifting for

888
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: an ambassador, right, I mean, that's you know, that's the

889
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: work I get to do, right, you know. So so

890
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: a nice like it was a dinner at a really

891
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: nice restaurant, you know, and it was paid for by someone.

892
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Real tough job, job, I got you, I got you.

893
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: But no, it's been great. It's been great, just you know,

894
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: being being around the team and Lions fans, you know,

895
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: and just seeing like what has happened with the team

896
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, you know, and and

897
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: after going through so many dark years and tough years.

898
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought all y'all back thanks to Peanut

899
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and some of his games. Lions tough pay.

900
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they had all you guys back for the playoffs.

901
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I.

902
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: Think what I appreciate, and I know we're in the

903
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: same division. I was rooting for Detroit so hard.

904
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: I really wanted I'm telling you, I was.

905
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we weren't winning, we weren't playing well right right, right, right,

906
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: But I just love what the head coach has done

907
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: for the team, and it really brought the city together

908
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: and you could see it. You could see it in

909
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: the in the in the stands, on TV, in the crowd.

910
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't like physically there, but you could you could

911
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: actually feel it, like, man, this is this is it was.

912
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: It was really beautiful to see. And I never even

913
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: felt that one I played in Detroit, Like, I never

914
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: feel like there was.

915
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: A reason why you didn't feel it. But honestly, like

916
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: that that city and community like so thirsty. Yeah, you

917
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: feel that. You feel that when you go to the games.

918
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: And I was so happy for him. Yeah, man, I mean,

919
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, because they're still there's still like those few

920
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: people around who talk about, like, you know, the late

921
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: fifties and the championships, and that's like the thing that

922
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: they can hold on to, right. But it's a it's

923
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: it's always been like a really serious and a great

924
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: football town, right. We just didn't necessarily live up to

925
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: it on the field. Right, There's always been that support

926
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: and those people who you know, they love all the

927
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: other sports and you know, we're proud of the fact

928
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: that University of Michigan won championship. A couple of years

929
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: ago or whatever. But yeah, I mean you got serious

930
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: Lions fans, and you saw that during the draft even, Yeah,

931
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: just the way people came out and supported. So I worked.

932
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: He knew everybody on the roster right from Detroit. He's like, bro,

933
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: you know all the people on the roster. He doing

934
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: the draft reports, he's they're all Then I agree. I

935
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: I did not know Detroit had such good fans until

936
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: I got to go up there, and now you know,

937
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: and now that they're winning, they're all outside too.

938
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know what I mean.

939
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: You know, it is like they can't wear the Detroit

940
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: stuff for like eight years, and all of a sudden,

941
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: now they're like, shoot, I mean.

942
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: I still fit.

943
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: I saw a whole bunch of acts of folly Lions jackets, that's.

944
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they came out, they all came out to support.

945
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, you say, you're talking about apparel,

946
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: what you see in the apparel around town, but you're

947
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: also seeing like vehicles, you know, like Ford F one

948
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: fifties with the Lions painted logo on all that stuff.

949
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all back. It's yeah, sure, it's all back. Absolutely.

950
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: I reann to read a quote from nineteen eighty eight. Uh, okay,

951
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: I see myself. So a lady asked you, where do

952
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: you see yourself twenty years from now? And you quickly

953
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: respond and say, I see myself happily marrying and being

954
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: a strong Christian. I see myself having or having four kids,

955
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: four or five kids, living in a middle class neighborhood

956
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 2: with a steady job.

957
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: Now.

958
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight, Barry Sanders said that, Wow, how would

959
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: you say you've lived your life to.

960
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: This point in time? Right now? I would say I've lived,

961
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, pretty close to that. I've lived pretty close

962
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: to that. Can you expand upon that a little bit?

963
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think just you know, growing up in church, right,

964
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 1: and so you know, having those values is being important, right,

965
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: you know the marriage part, I mean I was married

966
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: for I don't know ten years, yeah, twelve or something

967
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: like that.

968
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: And so and then the four or five kids right

969
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: at four sons, I.

970
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: Said that in eighty eight.

971
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: Huh wow, eighty eight that's crazy, laughing about not bad.

972
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: Shout out to the producer that was his He did

973
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: research on now on that's pretty good.

974
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

975
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: He also did the research on the birthday too. But

976
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: we'll keep it moving, all right.

977
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Damn you didn't have to on one of the bus,

978
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: but you shouldn't have praised him.

979
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead, Barry, Sorry to cut you off.

980
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: No, No, that was it that. Yeah, I think, you know,

981
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean so I think of so, I'm I'm I'm glad.

982
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, I like how the twenty

983
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, Barry was thinking. You know, so, I

984
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: think that's pretty pretty mature level in a way to

985
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: think about it, and so to go through like you know,

986
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: ten years of the NFL and and now twenty five

987
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: years of retirement.

988
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: So I like it, all right, Barry. We'd like to

989
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: ask all of our guests this give us a whole

990
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: rounded perspective. Who's on your personal Mount Rushmore of influence?

991
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: You get four? Who has my personal Mount rush Mount Rushmore?

992
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: Only that influence? Only Fall Sanders? Who Barry Sanders is.

993
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I would love to hear my dad's comment about this.

994
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: So my dad he's definitely on there, Yes, for sure, Right,

995
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: Jim Brown is his favorite running back.

996
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: Jim Brown is his favorite right, you know which? Yeah,

997
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: but that's the whole other Wow.

998
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: And if if I put my dad on there, then

999
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I have to put my mom on there.

1000
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: Right, or you can put them at like on It's like,

1001
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: you know, we've had people do that too, Do what

1002
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: mom and dad?

1003
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Mom and dad is one thank you?

1004
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: Thank you? Yes?

1005
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Also I would have to put my high

1006
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: school coach Daryl Dale Workholder there right because he's the

1007
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: one that moved me from from kind of slot to

1008
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: running back. You know, he was like, I think that

1009
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: Sanders kids is running back, not not a defensive back

1010
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: or or wing back. Was a nice at the time.

1011
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: Was wing back was just like kind of like lot slot,

1012
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like you know, tight end slot.

1013
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: You know you're in you're in the same position as

1014
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: a tight end, but you're off the line type thing.

1015
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: So I was doing a lot of blocking and you know,

1016
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: running route which I thought I thought I was a

1017
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: pretty good defensive back and and wing back.

1018
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: Show me some film, I could say, I'll be to

1019
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: judge that right, right, right.

1020
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: Right, And so coach brokeholder, So that what's that to y? Wow?

1021
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: Man, that's I need I need a little bit to

1022
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: think about this one, coach b And then.

1023
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. After that, I

1024
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: mean there's so many that I could I could choose

1025
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: to choose from. How about how about Tony dor set right?

1026
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: Just because I was, you know, saying, and you know that,

1027
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like all four of them could

1028
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: be running backs, you know, on the list. But certainly

1029
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: Tony dor said just because that young berry, you know,

1030
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: drawing those pictures of football men, you know, just that

1031
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: passion that I had for the game and interesting the

1032
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: players and following them. So so I'll put Tony dor

1033
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: set up there, and then maybe Michael Jordan's right, Michael

1034
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: Jordan just because you know, just fierce competitor, love, you know,

1035
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: just following his career and and just you know the

1036
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: influence he had, just his approach to the game right

1037
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: and obviously how successful he's been in business. So so

1038
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: since you guys are twisting my arm for for four,

1039
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: then I'll have those for for for today for right now.

1040
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: Have you ever got to meet Michael Jordan's hang around.

1041
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: I've never really hung out hung around him like that,

1042
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: but golf events that he used to have in Bahamas.

1043
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: Just met him there. I met him there once. He

1044
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: actually came when we played the Bears once early nineties.

1045
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: There was he had a teammate that was from Wichitas State,

1046
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Cliff Livingston. So Cliff brought him to the locker room.

1047
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: That was the first time I would have met Mike, okay,

1048
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: you know, and so we just chatted for a few

1049
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: minutes during you know whatever year that would have been,

1050
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, early nineties in Chicago. That would have been the

1051
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: first time I met him. But then the next time

1052
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: would have been at his golf tournament. And and mohammas.

1053
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 2: Now I know, I know romaxual earlier about was there

1054
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: another like running back whatever?

1055
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: Was there ever?

1056
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: Like you're Barry Sanders, you were at the the Krim

1057
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: Dayla Krim of like top athletes? Is there or was

1058
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: there ever a celebrity where he was like I got

1059
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: to meet him, I got to meet her. Was there

1060
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: ever a celebrity, actor, rapper, entertainer, someone that.

1061
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: You just like, no, I got to meet this person.

1062
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: Saying that I have to like go out of my

1063
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: way to try to meet just like, no, I'm really

1064
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 4: a fan of I'm a just example, like I'm a

1065
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: really big fan of Denzel Washington, Like I would love

1066
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: to meet Denzel a movie premiere whatever, Like I really

1067
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: want to.

1068
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: Go meet this individual, not really go out of your way,

1069
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: but just like I'm excited to meet a Denzel something

1070
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: something along those lines.

1071
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, not necessarily like that. I mean there's been

1072
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: people that I've been excited to meet, right, Like for instance,

1073
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: when we in college, they used to have like All

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Speaker 1: American teams. I think it was the Bob Hope All

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Speaker 1: American Teams, right, I don't know if you guys know

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00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: that name, but that there was no bigger name in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood than Bob Hope. And so he used to have that.

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Speaker 1: He used to have a show that he would do, right,

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Speaker 1: and he would announce all the All Americans and so

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00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: doing the Bob Hope doing the Bob Hope All American

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Speaker 1: Show was that was huge. And meeting Bob Hope was

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00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: he was older then, right, but he was you know,

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00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: he was a comedian actor. You know most of his

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00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: stuff is in like black and white. But there was

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00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: no bigger starter that is that's crazy. Did they do

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: the research? Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Somebody shows Yeah, I know I Hope is yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: We got a couple of quick kiters. I want to

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Speaker 3: I want to run down these quick kiters real quick.

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Speaker 1: You got it? Hit away? Good, swing away.

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever dish out trash talk?

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Speaker 1: No?

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: Okay, because John Randall I've seen him on tape. He

1095
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: will always be yell her name, Hey, Barry, Hey Barry,

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00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: Like did you ever respond?

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Speaker 1: I made have responded, but I wasn't. It wasn't. But

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Speaker 1: but John said so much. John was always talking. He's

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Speaker 1: still talking.

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Speaker 3: Do you just laugh like it's like, dude, this guy

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00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: like he like you're lining up to run about. He's

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Speaker 3: just barking from in a three point stands from across

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00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Have you any have you met

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Speaker 3: anybody else in that realm of that Charles Haytes really

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 3: Charles Haley, you know he talks about Charles crazy man,

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: really like officially crazy Like well I heard that, yeah,

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00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: well just but he was he was. He would be

1108
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 3: talking to the lineman, you know about how sorry they were,

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: you know, talking recklessly.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna run through them all day, you know what

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: I mean, talking to the quarterback. I mean, yeah, Charles Leley,

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Speaker 1: he was. He was that guy, okay, kind of like

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of like John. I couldn't even understand all the

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00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: stuff John was saying.

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Speaker 3: Right we didn't either. Yeah, he have a face painted

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Speaker 3: with some kind of Native American I don't know what

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00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: it was, but but yeah, uh, those were probably the

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Speaker 3: biggest two talkers that I ran into. Oh wow, Okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Figured he was gonna say no, even Calvin Johnson say

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Speaker 2: he wasn't a trash talker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't, no idea. Did you know that you

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Speaker 3: had the most carries in your career the last season

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Speaker 3: of your career? I think I had seen that before.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd seen that. Okay, this is another one

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Speaker 3: I have for you. Out of all the NFL records

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: that you held, I don't know if you still hold

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01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: them all, but when you retired, all right, which one

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Speaker 3: do you think will be the one that will never

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01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: be broken? Is it season with fifteen hundred yards rushing

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01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: or more, which is five consecutive games with one hundred

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: yards yards rushing or more or more yards rushing one

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01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: hundred yards and more rushing. That's fourteen, all right, games

1133
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: with one hundred yards are more rushing in the season,

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 3: Fourteen one hundred and fifty plus yard rushing games in

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: a career, twenty five one hundred and fifty plus scrimmage

1136
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: yards per game forty six. I think somebody's already tied this,

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01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: but first running back that you were the first to

1138
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: have two eighty yard runs in one game. But this

1139
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: is the last one. Most negative yards rushing in a

1140
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: career with minus nine hundred and fifty two yards. So

1141
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: you talk about the highlight plays the low lights minus

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty two yards, which will never be broken.

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah right there?

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 3: Wow, okay man, which of those you think will never

1145
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: be broken?

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: I think I think the most challenging one. I mean,

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01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, negative nine hundred yards, that's hard.

1148
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: It would be hard to beat that one. I think

1149
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 1: it's hard to be done.

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: I was hoping you picked that one.

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01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: I was it was like, yeah, dang, that's all from

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: a defensive you like that one? Like that? Well?

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01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: I always remember, like when I would watch your games,

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01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: they would have like sometimes the negative yards that you had,

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: but then your ultimate total, you know, you have negative

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: twenty something. But I guess, like just overtime, I don't

1157
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: think I realized it was almost a whole thousand yards

1158
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: negative and rushing yards throughout your career's just crazy because

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01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: all you ever tell people now, especially my around my

1160
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 3: little flag kids. When I'm playing, it's like just upfield,

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01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: just get up all forward, just get upfield, and all

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Speaker 3: of them want to cut back like Barry and it's minus.

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not you. So it's really interesting. I

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01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: didn't know that stat So that was just really cool

1165
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: when I was doing some stuff that that's what they.

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Speaker 1: Haven't added on. You don't think they've added on a

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: few yards to that one.

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: In front of your face? Yes, I think I think

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: they totally added on. Thank you, I'm done. I'm off

1170
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: You are off the hot seat. We appreciate you coming

1172
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: on the pod and just blessing us and appreciate the

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01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: stories and and everything.

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Speaker 1: He told us.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're you're feeling better. Happy belated birthday. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's it already. That's that's that's all.

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01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite? Running back to watching the NFL right now?

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Speaker 3: If you don't have a favorite, Troy, I mean, well.

1180
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean has been around longer obviously, Yeah, you know,

1181
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: so with the with the what do you think about that?

1182
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: Just the backward I'm going to jumped. He was amazing.

1183
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: It was amazing.

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01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: Have you seen any anybody do that.

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01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: No, no, nothing, that's the first time that. No, not

1186
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: not like leaving leaving the turf like that. No, that

1187
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: was sweet.

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: That's a thing you never really did that. Did they

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: not teach you all to jump over guys? Because a

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01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: lot of guys jump.

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01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: Now, I was like, wait, who teaches you how to?

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: I feel like it was it was almost coach that

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01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 3: it was you can't jump? Okay, yeah, yeah, I do

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: I think jump remembering, I don't know if you remember

1195
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 3: Billy Sam was running and jumping and kicking someone right,

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: he jumped.

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: He was running and he jumped and he like kicked

1198
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: this defensive guy in the helmet. You know. But I

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: always thought you couldn't do that. But anyway, but no,

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Speaker 1: it was a phenomenal play by And I'm not like

1201
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: a high hurdler, so I don't I don't know how

1202
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: high I would have been able to get over the guys,

1203
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: but that may not have been good. But yeah, you

1204
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: got some hops. He was. You know what I feel like,

1205
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: I was always you know, when you leave the turf

1206
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: like that, I feel like you give that defensive guy,

1207
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, a chance to just pop you like you know,

1208
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: it was we're always what I thought if you junk

1209
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: because but but no, it was it was a beautiful play.

1210
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: And how did you get involved with that celebrity dunk contest?

1211
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: Well, they used to they used to do that every year.

1212
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: It was called the foot Locker Slam Dunk Fest and

1213
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: it was televised, right, Yeah, so a lot of you know,

1214
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: so obviously they would get guys from all different sports

1215
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: other than basketball, right, And so no, it was fun, man,

1216
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: it was fun to go there, and you know, you'd

1217
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: have like these great pickup games with all these guys

1218
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: like Gary Bonds, you know, and and because everyone you know,

1219
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: fashioned himselves as a hooper, right, you know, everybody's everyone

1220
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: as a hooper, you know. So so you get some

1221
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: really competitive like Dion and guys like that, you get

1222
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: some really competitive pickup games, but with the dunk counts, yeah,

1223
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and in the coolest part was that it

1224
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: was it was judged by like these older NBA guys

1225
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: like Will Chamberlain, you know, Calvin Murphy and and you

1226
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: know just some of those old like sixties seventies NBA players.

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool. Well, yeah, you're definitely off the hot Seaton.

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: Man, Thank This was a whole lot of fun.

1231
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: It was.

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01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 3: It worked out man, Yeah, man, no doubt same here man.

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 3: Thank you man, where thanks to all our viewers. To you,

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: I know you guys are gonna love this episode. Wherever

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: you pick up your podcast with this Apple Podcasts iHeartRadio app,

1236
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 3: make sure you give us a like, subscribe, hit that

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01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 3: follow up, buddy, leave a couple of comments. We'll make

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 3: sure we respond. You can also check us out on

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01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: the NFL Pages YouTube channel and up Peanut Man, get

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: us about of.

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01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: You, man, I'm Peanut.

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01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: That's Roman and that is Barry Sanders and This Barry

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: Center is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast and we

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Speaker 2: out