Speaker 1: Hey folks, it's Thursday, May twenty ninth. Welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. The Ditty trial continues as
Speaker 1: we speak, and a reminder, this is now the third
Speaker 1: full week of testimony and robes as we record this
Speaker 1: now testimony, it's going to be another full day. But
Speaker 1: it's hard to get through all the testimony if you're
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Speaker 1: all of these articles online. So we are providing a
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Speaker 2: That's right. So yes, we are following up on all
Speaker 2: the testimony what happened with a very full day in
Speaker 2: court yesterday which was Wednesday, And so you don't have
Speaker 2: to click and try to read and piece it all together.
Speaker 2: It's all here for you, along with our take on
Speaker 2: what is happening inside that courtroom just a few blocks
Speaker 2: away from where we are sitting right now. But yes
Speaker 2: yesterday was another big day of testimony where we heard
Speaker 2: from two law enforcement officials, one with the Fire Department
Speaker 2: talking about some of the issues with Ditty and Kid Cutty.
Speaker 2: And then the big, big, big witness on the stand
Speaker 2: was Cassie Ventura Findes personal stylist and now her friend
Speaker 2: Deontay Nash and he had a lot to say about
Speaker 2: what he witnessed and how he feels about both Cassie
Speaker 2: and Sean Ditty Combs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the majority of the day the stand was occupied
Speaker 1: by Deontay Nash. We're going to get into everything he
Speaker 1: had to say, which was absolutely a lot. He saw
Speaker 1: a lot and was able to detail a lot of
Speaker 1: the alleged violence that she endured at the hands of Ditty.
Speaker 1: But the Chris Ignacio was the laped officer, and he
Speaker 1: was important because he was able to corroborate a lot
Speaker 1: of what we had already heard. He was the one
Speaker 1: who showed up or one of the officers who showed
Speaker 1: up after Diddy allegedly broke into Kid Cutty's house Ropes.
Speaker 1: He said he got there, he went inside. He didn't
Speaker 1: see Diddy, he didn't see a security guard, but he
Speaker 1: saw He testified to the aftermath that we have already
Speaker 1: heard about how Cutty's place was trashed, certainly allegedly and
Speaker 1: by everything they're piecing together, it was Ditty and his
Speaker 1: security guard had gone into the house.
Speaker 2: That's right. He says he personally saw a black escalat. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I can't talk, so I a black escalade take off
Speaker 2: once he pulled up and then come back around. He
Speaker 2: ran the plates and yep, that black escalade was registered
Speaker 2: to bad Boy, which is of course Sean Diddy comes company.
Speaker 2: And so that that was a big, you know, piece
Speaker 2: of evidence that clearly puts at least a representative of Ditty,
Speaker 2: if not Diddy himself there at the time around when
Speaker 2: Kid Cutty said his home was vandalized.
Speaker 1: Again, this was the exact time. The whole incident we're
Speaker 1: talking about here is the knight that Ditty allegedly got mad,
Speaker 1: found out Cuddy and Cassie were dating, went to Cutt's
Speaker 1: house that night. Now, someone who was with him, Capricorn Clark,
Speaker 1: is another former assistant who testified as well with some
Speaker 1: pretty powerful stuff. She was telling that, yes, they were
Speaker 1: in a black escalade. They went to the house. She
Speaker 1: talked about what happened. She said, yes, cut he pulled up,
Speaker 1: he took off, and we chased him in the black
Speaker 1: escalade for a little while and then came back to
Speaker 1: the house. So the escalade has played a lot into
Speaker 1: this story. And to hear now an officer say, he
Speaker 1: laid eyes on that escalade in question. He saw it
Speaker 1: that night and Apparently whoever was in that escalade saw
Speaker 1: officers coming that night and took off. YEP is the
Speaker 1: story now that's being put together. And you can't use
Speaker 1: a lot of black escalades out there, especially in LA.
Speaker 2: But he ran the plates exactly, So that's really not
Speaker 2: up for dispute. If you've got an officer of the
Speaker 2: law running the plates of this black escalade, that pretty
Speaker 2: much puts or at least connects all the dots for
Speaker 2: jurors that, if not Didty, someone who represented Ditty was
Speaker 2: there while all of this was being.
Speaker 1: With the thought of the matter of yes, Capricorn Clogg
Speaker 1: told the story. But to think that an officer, I mean,
Speaker 1: chances are given the timing, and given the timing, there's
Speaker 1: a decent chance that did he was still in that vehicle. Yes,
Speaker 1: To think that there was a cop that passed, To
Speaker 1: think he was right there and all this stuff, this
Speaker 1: is ten years ago. I think this incident was to
Speaker 1: think that an officer was right there, like there were
Speaker 1: so many missed opportunities. I guess somebody faulting the officers.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Along the way, and as we've been
Speaker 1: following this trial, somebody saw a beating take place, didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. Somebody saw this, didn't do anything. Somebody was
Speaker 1: scared to do this. And just to think that close,
Speaker 1: just passing ditty at the scene, it's this. You think
Speaker 1: you've heard enough or a lot, or at all, and
Speaker 1: it just keeps coming to this true.
Speaker 2: So much of it seems like a movie script. So
Speaker 2: much of it, even those near misses or those missed
Speaker 2: opportunities that allowed this to continue for years and years
Speaker 2: and years, all feels like the movie, like a movie script,
Speaker 2: like almost almost almost. And yet not until the very end,
Speaker 2: not until Cassie filed her lawsuit, did any of this
Speaker 2: come to light.
Speaker 1: On the movie thing. Isn't this the point of the
Speaker 1: movie where you're screaming at the screen. He's in the.
Speaker 2: Car, Yes, so you just oh my gosh, so close,
Speaker 2: so close. Yeah, But we're hearing it all play out
Speaker 2: in court, and it really is as riveting as a
Speaker 2: movie script and as devastating, and it's it is a
Speaker 2: horror movie, truly, I mean, it really is. It feels
Speaker 2: like a horror movie, and it is. It was life
Speaker 2: for so many people who were in this inner circle
Speaker 2: of Sean Diddy Combs. According to their testimony.
Speaker 1: And the officer said, nobody ever said anything to him
Speaker 1: about Diddy. Nobody said anything about theft. It was only
Speaker 1: to investigate trespassing and that was the end of it,
Speaker 1: and they went about their day. Now, the other person
Speaker 1: who was up on the stand was a fire investigator
Speaker 1: and arson investigator who checked out the fire in Kid
Speaker 1: Cutty's car, the porst that had the molotov cocktail in it. Now,
Speaker 1: this was when things got a little interesting, because, yes,
Speaker 1: the defense at one point during this man's testimony moved
Speaker 1: for mistrial. They wanted to end this thing yesterday because
Speaker 1: of this guy's testimony. We were talking about Lanceamenez, he's
Speaker 1: an LA fire investigator in Robes. He got up and
Speaker 1: he mentioned something and I think he was just answering
Speaker 1: the question having to do what There were fingerprints that
Speaker 1: were found at kid Cutty's car. They piecing together, of
Speaker 1: course through testimony, that they believe that Diddy had something
Speaker 1: to do with it. That's never been proven. Fine, but
Speaker 1: the fire investigator said, we found fingerprints, but those were
Speaker 1: later destroyed. That is what prompted defense attorneys to speak up.
Speaker 2: Yes, they said it implied that Ditty had so much
Speaker 2: reach and so much power that he was able to
Speaker 2: somehow have those fingerprints destroyed. But there were partial fingerprints,
Speaker 2: and of course we should mention. The judge said, no,
Speaker 2: that did nothing. They did this outside of the juror's attention.
Speaker 2: They had a sidebar, and the judge said, no, this
Speaker 2: is not in any way incriminating your client, and the
Speaker 2: jury has not been tainted, and we're going to proceed.
Speaker 2: The estimony continued, and I thought it was really interesting
Speaker 2: when Detective Jimenez talked about that the fingerprints, the partial fingerprints,
Speaker 2: I think they were able to say it was for
Speaker 2: a woman, for a female. We know that Caricorn, Capricorn
Speaker 2: Clark was there. So then of course Diddy's defense team
Speaker 2: went really full tilt on that one and tried to
Speaker 2: lean in on the fact that the fingerprints were possibly
Speaker 2: female not male.
Speaker 1: Look, they had no this is another crime that they
Speaker 1: had no suspect. They had no witness to come forward
Speaker 1: and say who they thought the suspect was. Because the
Speaker 1: two people mainly involved in this, Cassie Ventura, kid Cutty
Speaker 1: and Capricorn Clark, none of them made a police report
Speaker 1: accusing him of anything of the sort. His name never
Speaker 1: came up, and in fact, Cassie and Capricorn, this fire
Speaker 1: investigator said he called repeatedly trying to get in touch
Speaker 1: with him in Robes. This again nobody want They would
Speaker 1: not call him back, they would not take his call.
Speaker 1: And this goes to fear that they say so many
Speaker 1: people felt about that.
Speaker 2: Part of his testimony blew me away that here is
Speaker 2: a detective with the law trying to figure out why
Speaker 2: Kid Cutty's car blew up with a he said, a
Speaker 2: poorly constructed Molotov cocktail. And we know now that we
Speaker 2: heard Cassie Ventura testify that Sean Ditty Combs threatened to
Speaker 2: blow up Kid Cutty's car, and then, sure enough, a
Speaker 2: short time later, Kid Cutty's car blows up. So we
Speaker 2: only hear this after the fact. But yes, when this
Speaker 2: buyer investigator is trying to figure out how this happened,
Speaker 2: no one would talk to him, to the point where
Speaker 2: he said Capricorn's brother finally answered her phone and said
Speaker 2: leave her alone. It was very clear that no one
Speaker 2: who actually knew what happened had any intention of talking
Speaker 2: about what happened incriminating Ditty in any way. And as
Speaker 2: you point out, fearful to do so, to even take
Speaker 2: an officer's phone call. They wouldn't even answer the phone
Speaker 2: that speaks volumes.
Speaker 1: We keep using that. We kept saying, Molotov cocktail, Molotov cocktail,
Speaker 1: and if you're familiar, it's essentially a bottle with whatever accelerating, aacoline, alcohol, whatever,
Speaker 1: and then you stick a rag in the top, you
Speaker 1: light it, then you toss the thing, and when you
Speaker 1: toss it, of course something is on fire. But then
Speaker 1: the fluid that's in there spreads with the flame and
Speaker 1: it causes more destruction. This officer robe said this was
Speaker 1: a crappy Molotov cocktail. Somebody didn't understand the concept, because
Speaker 1: sure enough, they cut a hole in the top of
Speaker 1: his car, but it was kind of just placed in there.
Speaker 1: It didn't break.
Speaker 2: Yes, if it breaks open, then the fuel whatever it is,
Speaker 2: spreads and there's a huge fire. They said it honestly.
Speaker 2: The car was so close to his home that if
Speaker 2: they had done it correctly, not only would his car
Speaker 2: have blown up, but his house most likely would have
Speaker 2: caught fire as well. And I thought it was also
Speaker 2: interesting when they just described with the Molotov cocktail looked
Speaker 2: like it was an old English bottle, gasoline and a
Speaker 2: designer handkerchief, a silk designer handkerchief.
Speaker 1: So you can hear like Chris Rock making a joke
Speaker 1: about how that obviously we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna throw away or blow up a designer handkerchief. You
Speaker 2: know how much those things cost?
Speaker 1: I do, actually, because I only have one but old
Speaker 1: English oh E malt liquor. This is some old school
Speaker 1: hood stuff. Oh have you ever had?
Speaker 2: I have never had. I didn't even know it was
Speaker 2: referred to as O E.
Speaker 1: E yes malt licka.
Speaker 2: Do you think he was honestly with that, almost leaving
Speaker 2: a signature oh E with a designer handkerchief. It's like,
Speaker 2: f you love ditty. I feel like that's what that said.
Speaker 1: Again, we get the implications here, and we are making
Speaker 1: a little light of the oe bottle and a designer
Speaker 1: a handkerchief, But this was absolutely a somebody was And
Speaker 1: what the most more and the more violent thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: They cut a hole in the Porsche. They cut a
Speaker 1: hole in the top to get this in there, but
Speaker 1: again they placed it so it was just sitting in there.
Speaker 1: Gent At least a lot of people at this point
Speaker 1: have seen a lot of the.
Speaker 2: You throw a Molotov cocktail, do you not usually, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so he can break it. You want it to break, Yes,
Speaker 2: it needs to break.
Speaker 1: But the video we have seen in the pictures of
Speaker 1: his car don't go with a lot of the words
Speaker 1: being used in some of the covers say his car
Speaker 1: blew up or his car was there was a bombing
Speaker 1: of some kind, because it just looked like it's charred
Speaker 1: in places.
Speaker 2: That's why maybe this is total conjecture and my just
Speaker 2: uninformed opinion to go for it. I'm going to say it.
Speaker 2: But maybe he didn't want the whole car to blow it.
Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted it to be a warning and he
Speaker 2: wanted it to know that that was from him, based
Speaker 2: on how he wanted the evidence of the Molotov cocktail
Speaker 2: to stay intact so that Cuddy would know it was him.
Speaker 1: That's one theory. I don't subscribe to it.
Speaker 2: But that's some fun.
Speaker 1: It's a poor what just a bad idea, you know what.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something you didn't think through, you didn't
Speaker 1: plan it. He called it a makeshift bomb of it
Speaker 1: was something that the officer said. It just it was
Speaker 1: not well done and it wasn't well executed. But thank
Speaker 1: goodness said it wasn't. Then everybody ended up okay there
Speaker 1: those two were up first on the day, but then Robes,
Speaker 1: the one we'd been hearing about talking about. They actually
Speaker 1: expected to get to four witnesses yesterday and they actually
Speaker 1: only got to three because Deontay Nash. They had him
Speaker 1: up on the stand for quite a while. And this
Speaker 1: is a celeberty stylist who by all accounts, he was
Speaker 1: a character if you will, He had a personality on
Speaker 1: the stand, but he made clear when he got up there,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here.
Speaker 2: Yes, one news outlet referred to him as cheeky, which
Speaker 2: I think was appropriate. But yes, he was asked if
Speaker 2: he was going to sue Diddy and he said no,
Speaker 2: I'm focused on getting out of here as an out
Speaker 2: of court. He didn't want to be there, and it
Speaker 2: was very clear. And by that, with so many of
Speaker 2: these witnesses who have been compelled to testify, you can
Speaker 2: tell that they're not there for revenge. They're not there
Speaker 2: to see Diddy go down. They're there almost against their will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who was the I can't remember her name right now.
Speaker 1: It was Cassie's former best friend who she said, did
Speaker 1: he assaulted her and she lost her best friend over it,
Speaker 1: because yes, her best friend essentially didn't shut her out,
Speaker 1: but didn't stand up for her during that. That was
Speaker 1: another young lady who said, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: I want these people out of my life and out
Speaker 1: of this world. And I've been working like she's she's
Speaker 1: years removed from this. I don't want to be back here.
Speaker 1: That is a theme. Folks don't want anything to do
Speaker 1: with this world. We've been hearing so much.
Speaker 2: It was so awful, and they don't want to return
Speaker 2: to it, and I'm imagining a lot of them don't
Speaker 2: want to remember it. But Deontae Nash did recall so
Speaker 2: many memories of personally witnessing Cassie being kicked, talk about
Speaker 2: dragged by the hair, and the one that the one
Speaker 2: instance that he described was just so awful. She was
Speaker 2: asleep on the couch and he was in the hotel
Speaker 2: room with her and apparently she wasn't answering her phone
Speaker 2: and it made him so angry. When he rushed into
Speaker 2: the hotel room, he immediately just started, according to Deontay Nash,
Speaker 2: just beating her and she ended up with a gash
Speaker 2: on her head. So deep from hitting the headboard from
Speaker 2: being hit that he wanted to call nine one one,
Speaker 2: he said. But that is when Diddy said, no, I'll
Speaker 2: just take her to my personal plastic surgeon. And he
Speaker 2: saw her the next day with stitches on her head.
Speaker 1: That's where we talk about this again. This is at
Speaker 1: least two people now who are who witness what they
Speaker 1: describe at least as something that will get you years
Speaker 1: in prison, and nobody called or stepped in or made
Speaker 1: a change and continued working with this man. It's hard
Speaker 1: to get your head around if you're on the outside
Speaker 1: like us rogues. But people are telling these stories just
Speaker 1: how trapped they felt, and it's painting a picture of
Speaker 1: a world that quite frankly, I would argue, as a
Speaker 1: kid in the nineties, we all wanted to be a
Speaker 1: part of that world. It all looked so glamorous from
Speaker 1: the outside. We all rooted for Diddy, we were all
Speaker 1: just I mean, I remember the first time I met Diddy.
Speaker 1: I was so I was over the moon, and I'm
Speaker 1: talking I was a grown man. I'm thought I was
Speaker 1: forty years old or something, and I'm still just in
Speaker 1: awe and to think, like wow, we all just watch it.
Speaker 2: It makes you feel six to your stomach, doesn't it, because.
Speaker 1: We all seem to be a part of it. And
Speaker 1: to some degree, obviously.
Speaker 2: He but you didn't know what you didn't know? And
Speaker 2: the sad thing is the people who were seeing testified
Speaker 2: didn't know, and for whatever reason, they didn't do anything
Speaker 2: about it. This one, this really stood out to me.
Speaker 2: What Deontay testified to He said that moment where she
Speaker 2: got the gash on her head, and there was he said,
Speaker 2: there was blood everywhere. Obviously heads bleed a lot. And
Speaker 2: what did did he say when that happened? He looked
Speaker 2: at Deontay, Nash and Cassie and said, look what y'all
Speaker 2: made me do? Is that not a classic line of
Speaker 2: an abuser? Look what you made me do? Taking zero
Speaker 2: responsibility and blaming the victim and blaming the people who
Speaker 2: loved her. That is horrific.
Speaker 1: What was the one part of the story as well?
Speaker 1: He said this was he said, a switch kind of
Speaker 1: flipped with ditty. And we've heard several witnesses testified who
Speaker 1: said they saw him being violent, or at least they
Speaker 1: keep using the word rage. There's a rage in him.
Speaker 1: And Nasher was describing this moment before he said, look
Speaker 1: what y'all made me do? He said he turned into
Speaker 1: a different person and completely calmed when he saw the blood.
Speaker 1: He said, he was a totally different guy. And it's
Speaker 1: like a switch just flipped at that moment when he
Speaker 1: saw blood everywhere. But I think Cassi, even to her,
Speaker 1: she's been to her fine and testified about it as well,
Speaker 1: saying that was a moment that just blackened his eyes,
Speaker 1: like she didn't recognize who he was.
Speaker 2: That's scary. That is wild, very scary. And another thing
Speaker 2: that was just so heartbreaking. And we've used that word
Speaker 2: so much when talking about the testimony that we've been
Speaker 2: hearing in this trial. But when Deontay talked about how
Speaker 2: did he forced him to take him to the hotel
Speaker 2: where Cassie was hiding from him.
Speaker 1: He can I bag up on the story. So I
Speaker 1: have notes here and I actually put them out of order.
Speaker 1: So this goes that the conclusion to this story you
Speaker 1: were about to give is the part that sinks your
Speaker 1: heart once again. But this was a time where he
Speaker 1: was once again looking for Cassie. Cassie ends up in
Speaker 1: this incident at his house. He takes her from his
Speaker 1: house because he got a heads up that did he
Speaker 1: was on the way looking for Cassie. He takes Cassie
Speaker 1: in a car from his house to Sunset Boulevard, just
Speaker 1: drops off, like, go tell her to go Scared. They
Speaker 1: both like, you're planning an escape from somebody.
Speaker 2: You're dropping someone off in the middle of a massive
Speaker 2: busy road and just say figure it out. But you're
Speaker 2: safer here than you are with me or anywhere near him.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Diddy ends up coming over, but she's not
Speaker 1: there at that point, says looked. He looked in the oven.
Speaker 1: He looked up and down. That sounds like a crazy person.
Speaker 2: He looked in the oven. Like closets too, But okay,
Speaker 2: I can understand why he would look in a closet.
Speaker 2: But like the fact that you're searching for someone who
Speaker 2: is clearly hiding from you is sad and scary all
Speaker 2: in one. But yeah, he looked in the oven.
Speaker 1: But from this incident, they end up like you were
Speaker 1: going here, They go to the hotel. So all this
Speaker 1: is going on, Nash ends up getting forced to take
Speaker 1: Ditty to the hotel where Cassie's hiding out. Sins Nash
Speaker 1: and a security guard upstairs to get Cassie who was
Speaker 1: up there hiding out. And this is where it just
Speaker 1: go Jesus, this puts you in a to try to
Speaker 1: understand where her head was, where her heart was, where
Speaker 1: she was in life? Is this story?
Speaker 2: Oh it's hard to even repeat what she did. But
Speaker 2: when he got up, when Deanta gets up into the
Speaker 2: hotel room and he's supposed to bring her back down
Speaker 2: to Ditty waiting in the car, he said that she
Speaker 2: was in the balcony. She was walking towards it, and
Speaker 2: she said she wanted to go over the balcony, and
Speaker 2: he was sure she was going to harm herself. She
Speaker 2: was going to jump off the balcony of that hotel
Speaker 2: room rather than go back downstairs with him and get
Speaker 2: in the car with Ditty.
Speaker 1: There was someone else who was it else that I
Speaker 1: think she spoke of it at the time. She wanted
Speaker 1: to just walk out into traffic.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: There was another time a friend of hers said that
Speaker 1: after Ditty had assaulted her, Cassie was at her house
Speaker 1: and she was just sitting on the couch. Diddy was
Speaker 1: banging on the door just violently. Everybody else was freaking out.
Speaker 1: Cassie was sitting on the couch calmly while was going on,
Speaker 1: and her friend said, I don't think she cared if
Speaker 1: she lived or died. Yeah, these are three stories that
Speaker 1: seemed fairly consistent if you will, with a woman who
Speaker 1: just wanted to.
Speaker 2: Give up, well she was. You wouldn't get to that
Speaker 2: place or have those thoughts unless you were searching for relief,
Speaker 2: and that sounded better. Death sounded better than dealing with
Speaker 2: the hell she was living in. And that is just
Speaker 2: awful and horrific, and it's just one of the saddest
Speaker 2: things I've ever heard. Just you can try to put
Speaker 2: yourself in her position and imagine how hopeless and how
Speaker 2: trapped you must feel to think that was the only
Speaker 2: way out. And you know a lot of this and
Speaker 2: this is what Deontay testified to as well. So much
Speaker 2: of this was about blackmail because people say just leave,
Speaker 2: people say, but Diddy, he heard Didty threaten to release
Speaker 2: those explicit videos of her during freak offs, And it
Speaker 2: wasn't just about even releasing it to the public. He
Speaker 2: specifically told her The first place this is, according to Deontay,
Speaker 2: that Diddy would send those explicit videos to would be
Speaker 2: the places where her parents worked to make sure her
Speaker 2: parents were fired. And a Milids, that's so personal, that's
Speaker 2: so scary, and you can see where you would feel
Speaker 2: like I'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a low. That's a coal coal
Speaker 1: threat to make to somebody. I almost send this to you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of us. You remember people telling you don't do
Speaker 1: anything that you wouldn't want on the front page of
Speaker 1: the New York Times, right, don't ever do anything. I
Speaker 1: guess we probably failed in that advice. My point is
Speaker 1: still here being there is nothing and no one you
Speaker 1: would want to protect your foolishness from than your parents.
Speaker 1: And you would never want your parents to be publicly
Speaker 1: humiliated by something you do, but you would never want
Speaker 1: them to see you doing your worst, your dirt, your whatever.
Speaker 1: To that type of that threat you talk about giving
Speaker 1: you chills. That's a threat that just sounds It.
Speaker 2: Was so evil. It sounds evil. This is what it sounds.
Speaker 1: It sounds evil.
Speaker 2: And you know what Deontae also, this is part of
Speaker 2: what the prosecution's case was, and he's certainly testified into
Speaker 2: proving this that Cassie didn't want and he heard and
Speaker 2: witnessed Cassie not wanting to participate in the freak offs.
Speaker 2: She was at her own birthday party and instead of
Speaker 2: going out karaokeing with her friends. He personally saw her
Speaker 2: being you know, pushed, forced, coerced, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: use to come with Diddy instead to a freak off,
Speaker 2: and she told him she didn't want to go. She
Speaker 2: told Deonte she didn't want to go, So he personally
Speaker 2: witnessed her trying to refuse these freak offs and ultimately
Speaker 2: feeling as though, for whatever reason, whether it was the
Speaker 2: threat of the tapes or a threat of violence, she
Speaker 2: would eventually just say yes.
Speaker 1: Can we in on some good news? We haven't we
Speaker 1: haven't done this yet right in all these updates, we
Speaker 1: will continue to post these, but this, this is the
Speaker 1: good news from this week. Cassie is now a mom
Speaker 1: of three. Cassie even Toura Fine did give birth on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We found out, I guess we got confirmation of it.
Speaker 1: Rose the court did. At least the update from Deontay Nash.
Speaker 1: They are that close of friends. He actually called her,
Speaker 1: he said, in the hospital the previous day, and she
Speaker 1: did have her baby. I didn't see all the details
Speaker 1: you just found them.
Speaker 2: Yes, NBC News is reporting that Cassie Ventura Fine and
Speaker 2: her husband Alex are now proud parents to a little boy.
Speaker 2: And that's super sweet because they already have two daughters, Frankie,
Speaker 2: who is five and Sonny, who is four. I love
Speaker 2: those names. We don't have the name yet of the boy,
Speaker 2: but it is confirmed that she gave birth to a
Speaker 2: healthy baby boy. And that's pretty remarkable when you think
Speaker 2: about where she was just a week and a half
Speaker 2: ago on that witness stand and the fact that she
Speaker 2: was able to emotionally and frankly physically handle reliving what
Speaker 2: seems like an unthinkable hell scape to any one of
Speaker 2: us in front of the world. You know what the
Speaker 2: world is listening.
Speaker 1: What do they recommend? Do they tell women to avoid
Speaker 1: stressed with the situation?
Speaker 2: Polutely, You're not supposed to fly even after eight months.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to do anything strenuous after eight months
Speaker 2: physically or emotionally. You're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful
Speaker 2: as much as you can for the health of yourself
Speaker 2: and the health of your baby. So that, to me,
Speaker 2: that was a herculean effort and remarkable that she was
Speaker 2: on that witness stand for as long as she was
Speaker 2: talking about what she was talking about.
Speaker 1: You know what, this is a human moment I wanted
Speaker 1: to take. We talked about it this morning, Robes. But
Speaker 1: so many of us have been referring to a Cassie Ventura,
Speaker 1: a Cassie Ventura, a Cassie Ventura. Sometimes people use the
Speaker 1: last name just save Ventura. I have at times been
Speaker 1: saying Cassie because that's what she went by when she
Speaker 1: was an artist, and it just kind of flows out.
Speaker 1: But Deontay Nash reminded us all with just a simple
Speaker 1: correction to a defense attorn that she is more than
Speaker 1: an artist, she is more than a victim, and those
Speaker 1: aren't even the things we should lead with. She is
Speaker 1: a human being. She is a woman, and she is
Speaker 1: a mother, and she is a wife. And so I
Speaker 1: thought it was cool. I don't think the defense attorney
Speaker 1: was making much of a point. He was just saying
Speaker 1: something and referred to her as miss miss Cassieventura, and
Speaker 1: he corrected her and said missus fine. I thought that
Speaker 1: was just somebody could take it as Oh, what's the
Speaker 1: big deal, Why did he even have to do that?
Speaker 1: Do you have to be a smart ass. I just
Speaker 1: those little moments that we forget that people are just
Speaker 1: like the folks we are sitting across the table from
Speaker 1: right now, or your family. They seem larger than life.
Speaker 1: They're not just icons or musicians. Anytime you label somebody
Speaker 1: like that, it makes it so much easier to call
Speaker 1: them by a name or insult them. But if you
Speaker 1: remember she is missus, fine wife and mother, it helps.
Speaker 2: It was a powerful moment. I appreciated it as well.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Nash is actually on the stand
Speaker 2: right now as we are recording this. He is going
Speaker 2: to finish up his testimony and then we are expecting
Speaker 2: later today. Mia, that is what she's being called, but
Speaker 2: she is also known as Victim number four. She is
Speaker 2: going to remain anonymous, but it appears she is another
Speaker 2: employee who witnessed a lot and I believe she was
Speaker 2: in that hotel room with Deontey Nash when that big
Speaker 2: gash happened and all that blood was everywhere. So we
Speaker 2: are going to hear a lot more from Mia, and
Speaker 2: we will of course keep you updated on all of
Speaker 2: that in tomorrow's episode.