1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey folks, it's Thursday, May twenty ninth. Welcome to this 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. The Ditty trial continues as 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: we speak, and a reminder, this is now the third 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: full week of testimony and robes as we record this 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: now testimony, it's going to be another full day. But 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: it's hard to get through all the testimony if you're 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: not paying close attention and have time to go through 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: all of these articles online. So we are providing a 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: service here. 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: That's right. So yes, we are following up on all 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: the testimony what happened with a very full day in 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: court yesterday which was Wednesday, And so you don't have 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: to click and try to read and piece it all together. 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: It's all here for you, along with our take on 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: what is happening inside that courtroom just a few blocks 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: away from where we are sitting right now. But yes 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: yesterday was another big day of testimony where we heard 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: from two law enforcement officials, one with the Fire Department 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: talking about some of the issues with Ditty and Kid Cutty. 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: And then the big, big, big witness on the stand 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: was Cassie Ventura Findes personal stylist and now her friend 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Deontay Nash and he had a lot to say about 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: what he witnessed and how he feels about both Cassie 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: and Sean Ditty Combs. 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the majority of the day the stand was occupied 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: by Deontay Nash. We're going to get into everything he 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: had to say, which was absolutely a lot. He saw 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot and was able to detail a lot of 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: the alleged violence that she endured at the hands of Ditty. 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: But the Chris Ignacio was the laped officer, and he 31 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: was important because he was able to corroborate a lot 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: of what we had already heard. He was the one 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: who showed up or one of the officers who showed 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: up after Diddy allegedly broke into Kid Cutty's house Ropes. 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: He said he got there, he went inside. He didn't 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: see Diddy, he didn't see a security guard, but he 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: saw He testified to the aftermath that we have already 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: heard about how Cutty's place was trashed, certainly allegedly and 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: by everything they're piecing together, it was Ditty and his 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: security guard had gone into the house. 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: That's right. He says he personally saw a black escalat. Sorry, 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: I can't talk, so I a black escalade take off 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: once he pulled up and then come back around. He 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: ran the plates and yep, that black escalade was registered 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: to bad Boy, which is of course Sean Diddy comes company. 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: And so that that was a big, you know, piece 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: of evidence that clearly puts at least a representative of Ditty, 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: if not Diddy himself there at the time around when 49 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: Kid Cutty said his home was vandalized. 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: Again, this was the exact time. The whole incident we're 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: talking about here is the knight that Ditty allegedly got mad, 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: found out Cuddy and Cassie were dating, went to Cutt's 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: house that night. Now, someone who was with him, Capricorn Clark, 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: is another former assistant who testified as well with some 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: pretty powerful stuff. She was telling that, yes, they were 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: in a black escalade. They went to the house. She 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: talked about what happened. She said, yes, cut he pulled up, 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: he took off, and we chased him in the black 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: escalade for a little while and then came back to 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: the house. So the escalade has played a lot into 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: this story. And to hear now an officer say, he 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: laid eyes on that escalade in question. He saw it 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: that night and Apparently whoever was in that escalade saw 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: officers coming that night and took off. YEP is the 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: story now that's being put together. And you can't use 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a lot of black escalades out there, especially in LA. 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: But he ran the plates exactly, So that's really not 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: up for dispute. If you've got an officer of the 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: law running the plates of this black escalade, that pretty 70 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: much puts or at least connects all the dots for 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: jurors that, if not Didty, someone who represented Ditty was 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: there while all of this was being. 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: With the thought of the matter of yes, Capricorn Clogg 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: told the story. But to think that an officer, I mean, 75 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: chances are given the timing, and given the timing, there's 76 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: a decent chance that did he was still in that vehicle. Yes, 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: To think that there was a cop that passed, To 78 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: think he was right there and all this stuff, this 79 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: is ten years ago. I think this incident was to 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: think that an officer was right there, like there were 81 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: so many missed opportunities. I guess somebody faulting the officers. 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Along the way, and as we've been 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: following this trial, somebody saw a beating take place, didn't 84 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: do anything. Somebody saw this, didn't do anything. Somebody was 85 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: scared to do this. And just to think that close, 86 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: just passing ditty at the scene, it's this. You think 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: you've heard enough or a lot, or at all, and 88 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: it just keeps coming to this true. 89 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: So much of it seems like a movie script. So 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: much of it, even those near misses or those missed 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: opportunities that allowed this to continue for years and years 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: and years, all feels like the movie, like a movie script, 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: like almost almost almost. And yet not until the very end, 94 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: not until Cassie filed her lawsuit, did any of this 95 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: come to light. 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: On the movie thing. Isn't this the point of the 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: movie where you're screaming at the screen. He's in the. 98 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: Car, Yes, so you just oh my gosh, so close, 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: so close. Yeah, But we're hearing it all play out 100 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: in court, and it really is as riveting as a 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: movie script and as devastating, and it's it is a 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: horror movie, truly, I mean, it really is. It feels 103 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: like a horror movie, and it is. It was life 104 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: for so many people who were in this inner circle 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: of Sean Diddy Combs. According to their testimony. 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: And the officer said, nobody ever said anything to him 107 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: about Diddy. Nobody said anything about theft. It was only 108 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: to investigate trespassing and that was the end of it, 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and they went about their day. Now, the other person 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: who was up on the stand was a fire investigator 111 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: and arson investigator who checked out the fire in Kid 112 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: Cutty's car, the porst that had the molotov cocktail in it. Now, 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: this was when things got a little interesting, because, yes, 114 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: the defense at one point during this man's testimony moved 115 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: for mistrial. They wanted to end this thing yesterday because 116 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: of this guy's testimony. We were talking about Lanceamenez, he's 117 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: an LA fire investigator in Robes. He got up and 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: he mentioned something and I think he was just answering 119 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: the question having to do what There were fingerprints that 120 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: were found at kid Cutty's car. They piecing together, of 121 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: course through testimony, that they believe that Diddy had something 122 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: to do with it. That's never been proven. Fine, but 123 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the fire investigator said, we found fingerprints, but those were 124 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: later destroyed. That is what prompted defense attorneys to speak up. 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: Yes, they said it implied that Ditty had so much 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: reach and so much power that he was able to 127 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: somehow have those fingerprints destroyed. But there were partial fingerprints, 128 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: and of course we should mention. The judge said, no, 129 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: that did nothing. They did this outside of the juror's attention. 130 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: They had a sidebar, and the judge said, no, this 131 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: is not in any way incriminating your client, and the 132 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: jury has not been tainted, and we're going to proceed. 133 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: The estimony continued, and I thought it was really interesting 134 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: when Detective Jimenez talked about that the fingerprints, the partial fingerprints, 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: I think they were able to say it was for 136 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: a woman, for a female. We know that Caricorn, Capricorn 137 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: Clark was there. So then of course Diddy's defense team 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: went really full tilt on that one and tried to 139 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: lean in on the fact that the fingerprints were possibly 140 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: female not male. 141 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Look, they had no this is another crime that they 142 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: had no suspect. They had no witness to come forward 143 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: and say who they thought the suspect was. Because the 144 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: two people mainly involved in this, Cassie Ventura, kid Cutty 145 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: and Capricorn Clark, none of them made a police report 146 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: accusing him of anything of the sort. His name never 147 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: came up, and in fact, Cassie and Capricorn, this fire 148 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: investigator said he called repeatedly trying to get in touch 149 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: with him in Robes. This again nobody want They would 150 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: not call him back, they would not take his call. 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: And this goes to fear that they say so many 152 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: people felt about that. 153 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: Part of his testimony blew me away that here is 154 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: a detective with the law trying to figure out why 155 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: Kid Cutty's car blew up with a he said, a 156 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: poorly constructed Molotov cocktail. And we know now that we 157 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: heard Cassie Ventura testify that Sean Ditty Combs threatened to 158 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: blow up Kid Cutty's car, and then, sure enough, a 159 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: short time later, Kid Cutty's car blows up. So we 160 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: only hear this after the fact. But yes, when this 161 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: buyer investigator is trying to figure out how this happened, 162 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: no one would talk to him, to the point where 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: he said Capricorn's brother finally answered her phone and said 164 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: leave her alone. It was very clear that no one 165 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: who actually knew what happened had any intention of talking 166 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: about what happened incriminating Ditty in any way. And as 167 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: you point out, fearful to do so, to even take 168 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: an officer's phone call. They wouldn't even answer the phone 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: that speaks volumes. 170 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: We keep using that. We kept saying, Molotov cocktail, Molotov cocktail, 171 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: and if you're familiar, it's essentially a bottle with whatever accelerating, aacoline, alcohol, whatever, 172 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: and then you stick a rag in the top, you 173 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: light it, then you toss the thing, and when you 174 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: toss it, of course something is on fire. But then 175 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: the fluid that's in there spreads with the flame and 176 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: it causes more destruction. This officer robe said this was 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: a crappy Molotov cocktail. Somebody didn't understand the concept, because 178 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: sure enough, they cut a hole in the top of 179 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: his car, but it was kind of just placed in there. 180 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: It didn't break. 181 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: Yes, if it breaks open, then the fuel whatever it is, 182 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: spreads and there's a huge fire. They said it honestly. 183 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: The car was so close to his home that if 184 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: they had done it correctly, not only would his car 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: have blown up, but his house most likely would have 186 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: caught fire as well. And I thought it was also 187 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: interesting when they just described with the Molotov cocktail looked 188 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: like it was an old English bottle, gasoline and a 189 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: designer handkerchief, a silk designer handkerchief. 190 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: So you can hear like Chris Rock making a joke 191 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: about how that obviously we're. 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 2: Gonna throw away or blow up a designer handkerchief. You 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: know how much those things cost? 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: I do, actually, because I only have one but old 195 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: English oh E malt liquor. This is some old school 196 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: hood stuff. Oh have you ever had? 197 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: I have never had. I didn't even know it was 198 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: referred to as O E. 199 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: E yes malt licka. 200 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: Do you think he was honestly with that, almost leaving 201 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: a signature oh E with a designer handkerchief. It's like, 202 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: f you love ditty. I feel like that's what that said. 203 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: Again, we get the implications here, and we are making 204 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: a little light of the oe bottle and a designer 205 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: a handkerchief, But this was absolutely a somebody was And 206 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: what the most more and the more violent thing. 207 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 208 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: They cut a hole in the Porsche. They cut a 209 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: hole in the top to get this in there, but 210 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: again they placed it so it was just sitting in there. 211 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Gent At least a lot of people at this point 212 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: have seen a lot of the. 213 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: You throw a Molotov cocktail, do you not usually, Oh yeah, 214 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: so he can break it. You want it to break, Yes, 215 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: it needs to break. 216 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: But the video we have seen in the pictures of 217 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: his car don't go with a lot of the words 218 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: being used in some of the covers say his car 219 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: blew up or his car was there was a bombing 220 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: of some kind, because it just looked like it's charred 221 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: in places. 222 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: That's why maybe this is total conjecture and my just 223 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: uninformed opinion to go for it. I'm going to say it. 224 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: But maybe he didn't want the whole car to blow it. 225 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted it to be a warning and he 226 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: wanted it to know that that was from him, based 227 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: on how he wanted the evidence of the Molotov cocktail 228 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: to stay intact so that Cuddy would know it was him. 229 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: That's one theory. I don't subscribe to it. 230 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: But that's some fun. 231 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: It's a poor what just a bad idea, you know what. 232 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like something you didn't think through, you didn't 233 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: plan it. He called it a makeshift bomb of it 234 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: was something that the officer said. It just it was 235 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: not well done and it wasn't well executed. But thank 236 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: goodness said it wasn't. Then everybody ended up okay there 237 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: those two were up first on the day, but then Robes, 238 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the one we'd been hearing about talking about. They actually 239 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: expected to get to four witnesses yesterday and they actually 240 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: only got to three because Deontay Nash. They had him 241 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: up on the stand for quite a while. And this 242 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: is a celeberty stylist who by all accounts, he was 243 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: a character if you will, He had a personality on 244 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: the stand, but he made clear when he got up there, 245 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. 246 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: Yes, one news outlet referred to him as cheeky, which 247 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: I think was appropriate. But yes, he was asked if 248 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: he was going to sue Diddy and he said no, 249 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm focused on getting out of here as an out 250 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: of court. He didn't want to be there, and it 251 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: was very clear. And by that, with so many of 252 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: these witnesses who have been compelled to testify, you can 253 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: tell that they're not there for revenge. They're not there 254 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: to see Diddy go down. They're there almost against their will. 255 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, who was the I can't remember her name right now. 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: It was Cassie's former best friend who she said, did 257 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: he assaulted her and she lost her best friend over it, 258 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: because yes, her best friend essentially didn't shut her out, 259 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: but didn't stand up for her during that. That was 260 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: another young lady who said, I don't want to be here. 261 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: I want these people out of my life and out 262 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: of this world. And I've been working like she's she's 263 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: years removed from this. I don't want to be back here. 264 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: That is a theme. Folks don't want anything to do 265 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: with this world. We've been hearing so much. 266 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: It was so awful, and they don't want to return 267 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: to it, and I'm imagining a lot of them don't 268 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: want to remember it. But Deontae Nash did recall so 269 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: many memories of personally witnessing Cassie being kicked, talk about 270 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: dragged by the hair, and the one that the one 271 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: instance that he described was just so awful. She was 272 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: asleep on the couch and he was in the hotel 273 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: room with her and apparently she wasn't answering her phone 274 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: and it made him so angry. When he rushed into 275 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: the hotel room, he immediately just started, according to Deontay Nash, 276 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: just beating her and she ended up with a gash 277 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: on her head. So deep from hitting the headboard from 278 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: being hit that he wanted to call nine one one, 279 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: he said. But that is when Diddy said, no, I'll 280 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: just take her to my personal plastic surgeon. And he 281 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: saw her the next day with stitches on her head. 282 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: That's where we talk about this again. This is at 283 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: least two people now who are who witness what they 284 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: describe at least as something that will get you years 285 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: in prison, and nobody called or stepped in or made 286 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: a change and continued working with this man. It's hard 287 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: to get your head around if you're on the outside 288 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: like us rogues. But people are telling these stories just 289 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: how trapped they felt, and it's painting a picture of 290 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: a world that quite frankly, I would argue, as a 291 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: kid in the nineties, we all wanted to be a 292 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: part of that world. It all looked so glamorous from 293 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: the outside. We all rooted for Diddy, we were all 294 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: just I mean, I remember the first time I met Diddy. 295 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: I was so I was over the moon, and I'm 296 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: talking I was a grown man. I'm thought I was 297 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: forty years old or something, and I'm still just in 298 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: awe and to think, like wow, we all just watch it. 299 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: It makes you feel six to your stomach, doesn't it, because. 300 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: We all seem to be a part of it. And 301 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: to some degree, obviously. 302 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: He but you didn't know what you didn't know? And 303 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: the sad thing is the people who were seeing testified 304 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: didn't know, and for whatever reason, they didn't do anything 305 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: about it. This one, this really stood out to me. 306 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: What Deontay testified to He said that moment where she 307 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: got the gash on her head, and there was he said, 308 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: there was blood everywhere. Obviously heads bleed a lot. And 309 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: what did did he say when that happened? He looked 310 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: at Deontay, Nash and Cassie and said, look what y'all 311 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: made me do? Is that not a classic line of 312 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: an abuser? Look what you made me do? Taking zero 313 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: responsibility and blaming the victim and blaming the people who 314 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: loved her. That is horrific. 315 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: What was the one part of the story as well? 316 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: He said this was he said, a switch kind of 317 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: flipped with ditty. And we've heard several witnesses testified who 318 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: said they saw him being violent, or at least they 319 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: keep using the word rage. There's a rage in him. 320 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: And Nasher was describing this moment before he said, look 321 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: what y'all made me do? He said he turned into 322 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: a different person and completely calmed when he saw the blood. 323 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: He said, he was a totally different guy. And it's 324 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: like a switch just flipped at that moment when he 325 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: saw blood everywhere. But I think Cassi, even to her, 326 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: she's been to her fine and testified about it as well, 327 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: saying that was a moment that just blackened his eyes, 328 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: like she didn't recognize who he was. 329 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: That's scary. That is wild, very scary. And another thing 330 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: that was just so heartbreaking. And we've used that word 331 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: so much when talking about the testimony that we've been 332 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: hearing in this trial. But when Deontay talked about how 333 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: did he forced him to take him to the hotel 334 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: where Cassie was hiding from him. 335 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: He can I bag up on the story. So I 336 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: have notes here and I actually put them out of order. 337 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: So this goes that the conclusion to this story you 338 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: were about to give is the part that sinks your 339 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: heart once again. But this was a time where he 340 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: was once again looking for Cassie. Cassie ends up in 341 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: this incident at his house. He takes her from his 342 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: house because he got a heads up that did he 343 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: was on the way looking for Cassie. He takes Cassie 344 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: in a car from his house to Sunset Boulevard, just 345 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: drops off, like, go tell her to go Scared. They 346 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: both like, you're planning an escape from somebody. 347 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: You're dropping someone off in the middle of a massive 348 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: busy road and just say figure it out. But you're 349 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: safer here than you are with me or anywhere near him. 350 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Oh yes, Diddy ends up coming over, but she's not 351 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: there at that point, says looked. He looked in the oven. 352 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: He looked up and down. That sounds like a crazy person. 353 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: He looked in the oven. Like closets too, But okay, 354 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 2: I can understand why he would look in a closet. 355 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: But like the fact that you're searching for someone who 356 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: is clearly hiding from you is sad and scary all 357 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: in one. But yeah, he looked in the oven. 358 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: But from this incident, they end up like you were 359 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: going here, They go to the hotel. So all this 360 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: is going on, Nash ends up getting forced to take 361 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: Ditty to the hotel where Cassie's hiding out. Sins Nash 362 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: and a security guard upstairs to get Cassie who was 363 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: up there hiding out. And this is where it just 364 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: go Jesus, this puts you in a to try to 365 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: understand where her head was, where her heart was, where 366 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: she was in life? Is this story? 367 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: Oh it's hard to even repeat what she did. But 368 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: when he got up, when Deanta gets up into the 369 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: hotel room and he's supposed to bring her back down 370 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: to Ditty waiting in the car, he said that she 371 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: was in the balcony. She was walking towards it, and 372 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: she said she wanted to go over the balcony, and 373 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: he was sure she was going to harm herself. She 374 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: was going to jump off the balcony of that hotel 375 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: room rather than go back downstairs with him and get 376 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: in the car with Ditty. 377 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: There was someone else who was it else that I 378 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: think she spoke of it at the time. She wanted 379 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: to just walk out into traffic. 380 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: Yep. 381 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: There was another time a friend of hers said that 382 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: after Ditty had assaulted her, Cassie was at her house 383 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: and she was just sitting on the couch. Diddy was 384 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: banging on the door just violently. Everybody else was freaking out. 385 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Cassie was sitting on the couch calmly while was going on, 386 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: and her friend said, I don't think she cared if 387 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: she lived or died. Yeah, these are three stories that 388 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: seemed fairly consistent if you will, with a woman who 389 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to. 390 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: Give up, well she was. You wouldn't get to that 391 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: place or have those thoughts unless you were searching for relief, 392 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: and that sounded better. Death sounded better than dealing with 393 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: the hell she was living in. And that is just 394 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: awful and horrific, and it's just one of the saddest 395 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: things I've ever heard. Just you can try to put 396 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: yourself in her position and imagine how hopeless and how 397 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: trapped you must feel to think that was the only 398 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: way out. And you know a lot of this and 399 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: this is what Deontay testified to as well. So much 400 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 2: of this was about blackmail because people say just leave, 401 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 2: people say, but Diddy, he heard Didty threaten to release 402 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: those explicit videos of her during freak offs, And it 403 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: wasn't just about even releasing it to the public. He 404 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: specifically told her The first place this is, according to Deontay, 405 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: that Diddy would send those explicit videos to would be 406 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: the places where her parents worked to make sure her 407 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: parents were fired. And a Milids, that's so personal, that's 408 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: so scary, and you can see where you would feel 409 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: like I'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen. 410 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a low. That's a coal coal 411 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: threat to make to somebody. I almost send this to you, Yeah, 412 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: all of us. You remember people telling you don't do 413 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: anything that you wouldn't want on the front page of 414 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: the New York Times, right, don't ever do anything. I 415 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: guess we probably failed in that advice. My point is 416 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: still here being there is nothing and no one you 417 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: would want to protect your foolishness from than your parents. 418 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: And you would never want your parents to be publicly 419 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: humiliated by something you do, but you would never want 420 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: them to see you doing your worst, your dirt, your whatever. 421 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: To that type of that threat you talk about giving 422 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: you chills. That's a threat that just sounds It. 423 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: Was so evil. It sounds evil. This is what it sounds. 424 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: It sounds evil. 425 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 2: And you know what Deontae also, this is part of 426 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: what the prosecution's case was, and he's certainly testified into 427 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: proving this that Cassie didn't want and he heard and 428 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: witnessed Cassie not wanting to participate in the freak offs. 429 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: She was at her own birthday party and instead of 430 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: going out karaokeing with her friends. He personally saw her 431 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: being you know, pushed, forced, coerced, whatever you want to 432 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: use to come with Diddy instead to a freak off, 433 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: and she told him she didn't want to go. She 434 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: told Deonte she didn't want to go, So he personally 435 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: witnessed her trying to refuse these freak offs and ultimately 436 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: feeling as though, for whatever reason, whether it was the 437 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: threat of the tapes or a threat of violence, she 438 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: would eventually just say yes. 439 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: Can we in on some good news? We haven't we 440 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: haven't done this yet right in all these updates, we 441 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: will continue to post these, but this, this is the 442 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: good news from this week. Cassie is now a mom 443 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: of three. Cassie even Toura Fine did give birth on Tuesday. 444 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: We found out, I guess we got confirmation of it. 445 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Rose the court did. At least the update from Deontay Nash. 446 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: They are that close of friends. He actually called her, 447 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: he said, in the hospital the previous day, and she 448 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: did have her baby. I didn't see all the details 449 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: you just found them. 450 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: Yes, NBC News is reporting that Cassie Ventura Fine and 451 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: her husband Alex are now proud parents to a little boy. 452 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: And that's super sweet because they already have two daughters, Frankie, 453 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: who is five and Sonny, who is four. I love 454 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: those names. We don't have the name yet of the boy, 455 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: but it is confirmed that she gave birth to a 456 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: healthy baby boy. And that's pretty remarkable when you think 457 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: about where she was just a week and a half 458 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: ago on that witness stand and the fact that she 459 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: was able to emotionally and frankly physically handle reliving what 460 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: seems like an unthinkable hell scape to any one of 461 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: us in front of the world. You know what the 462 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: world is listening. 463 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: What do they recommend? Do they tell women to avoid 464 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: stressed with the situation? 465 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: Polutely, You're not supposed to fly even after eight months. 466 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: You're not supposed to do anything strenuous after eight months 467 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: physically or emotionally. You're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful 468 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: as much as you can for the health of yourself 469 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: and the health of your baby. So that, to me, 470 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: that was a herculean effort and remarkable that she was 471 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: on that witness stand for as long as she was 472 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: talking about what she was talking about. 473 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: You know what, this is a human moment I wanted 474 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: to take. We talked about it this morning, Robes. But 475 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: so many of us have been referring to a Cassie Ventura, 476 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: a Cassie Ventura, a Cassie Ventura. Sometimes people use the 477 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: last name just save Ventura. I have at times been 478 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: saying Cassie because that's what she went by when she 479 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: was an artist, and it just kind of flows out. 480 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: But Deontay Nash reminded us all with just a simple 481 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: correction to a defense attorn that she is more than 482 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: an artist, she is more than a victim, and those 483 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: aren't even the things we should lead with. She is 484 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: a human being. She is a woman, and she is 485 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: a mother, and she is a wife. And so I 486 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: thought it was cool. I don't think the defense attorney 487 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: was making much of a point. He was just saying 488 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: something and referred to her as miss miss Cassieventura, and 489 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: he corrected her and said missus fine. I thought that 490 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: was just somebody could take it as Oh, what's the 491 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: big deal, Why did he even have to do that? 492 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: Do you have to be a smart ass. I just 493 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: those little moments that we forget that people are just 494 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: like the folks we are sitting across the table from 495 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: right now, or your family. They seem larger than life. 496 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: They're not just icons or musicians. Anytime you label somebody 497 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: like that, it makes it so much easier to call 498 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: them by a name or insult them. But if you 499 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: remember she is missus, fine wife and mother, it helps. 500 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: It was a powerful moment. I appreciated it as well. 501 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: And by the way, Nash is actually on the stand 502 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: right now as we are recording this. He is going 503 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: to finish up his testimony and then we are expecting 504 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: later today. Mia, that is what she's being called, but 505 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: she is also known as Victim number four. She is 506 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: going to remain anonymous, but it appears she is another 507 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: employee who witnessed a lot and I believe she was 508 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: in that hotel room with Deontey Nash when that big 509 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: gash happened and all that blood was everywhere. So we 510 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: are going to hear a lot more from Mia, and 511 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 2: we will of course keep you updated on all of 512 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: that in tomorrow's episode.