WEBVTT - The Crime of the Century

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to History on Trial, a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener Discretion advised. Jacob and Flora Franks didn't start to

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<v Speaker 1>worry until Bobby missed dinner. Their youngest son was a

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<v Speaker 1>responsible boy who usually called home if he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be late. May twenty first, nineteen twenty four, had

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<v Speaker 1>been a beautiful spring day, the kind of day where

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<v Speaker 1>you can lose track of time, especially if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old boy playing baseball with your friends. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Franks figured Bobby was doing. He and his

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<v Speaker 1>classmates liked to get a game going after school. Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>was small for his age, but he was a sports

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<v Speaker 1>fanatic and always found a way to join in. He

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<v Speaker 1>would be home soon, the Franks thought, But when the

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<v Speaker 1>dinner plates were cleared with still no sign of Bobby,

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<v Speaker 1>the couple became concerned. They called around to Bobby's friends,

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<v Speaker 1>who confirmed that, yes, they had played baseball after school.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby had served as umpire, but the game had ended

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<v Speaker 1>at five hours earlier. After Bobby had headed towards home,

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<v Speaker 1>a journey of only a few blocks. No one had

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<v Speaker 1>seen him since. Increasingly fearful, Jacob Franks enlisted a friend

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<v Speaker 1>to help him search for Bobby. The men went to

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<v Speaker 1>check if the boy had somehow gotten locked in his

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<v Speaker 1>school building. Flora Franks stayed home. At about ten thirty PM,

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<v Speaker 1>as Flora waited for news, the phone rang. The caller

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<v Speaker 1>asked for her husband. When Flora said he was not

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<v Speaker 1>at home, but that she was missus Franks, the caller said,

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<v Speaker 1>your son has been kidnapped. He is all right. Further

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<v Speaker 1>news in the morning. Who is it, Flora asked, horrified.

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<v Speaker 1>George Johnson, the caller said, and hung up. When Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Franks got back, he was shocked by Flora's news. After

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<v Speaker 1>several tense hours, he decided to report the kidnapping to

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<v Speaker 1>the police, who agreed to investigate the matter quietly so

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<v Speaker 1>as not to alert the kidnappers. At nine am the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, the ransom note arrived in the morning mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear sir, it began, as you no doubt know by

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<v Speaker 1>this time your son has been kidnapped. Allow us to

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<v Speaker 1>assure you that he is at present, well and safe.

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<v Speaker 1>It continued on in this same formal, stilted language, commanding

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Franks to withdraw ten thousand dollars and then await

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<v Speaker 1>further instructions. It warned Jacob that if he disobeyed the

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<v Speaker 1>instructions in any way, Bobby's death will be the penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob hurried to the bank to make the withdrawal, then

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<v Speaker 1>came home to wait by the telephone. The kidnappers did

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<v Speaker 1>not call until after three pm. Jacob Franks answered the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and a voice on the other end, once again calling himself,

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<v Speaker 1>George Johnson, described how Jacob would take a taxi to

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<v Speaker 1>a drug store where he would receive further directions. Jacob listened,

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<v Speaker 1>but inside his heart was breaking because only minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>he had received another phone call, one that changed everything.

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<v Speaker 1>From it, he had learned that Bobby's body had been

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<v Speaker 1>found earlier that morning. The body of a boy was

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<v Speaker 1>found in a concrete culvert in the nature preserve surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf Lake, some twenty miles southeast of the Franks house

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago. A pair of glasses had been found near

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<v Speaker 1>the body, and the officer who arrived at the scene

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<v Speaker 1>assumed they were the boys and placed them on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>The Frank's family heard about the discovery but believed the

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<v Speaker 1>boy couldn't be Bobby. Bobby didn't wear glasses, but as

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<v Speaker 1>the day wore on. They thought it would be good

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<v Speaker 1>to know for sure, and so Bobby's uncle traveled to

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<v Speaker 1>view the body. When the uncle walked in, he removed

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<v Speaker 1>the glasses from the boy's still cold face and gazed

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<v Speaker 1>down at it. Then he looked at the boy's teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby had marks on his teeth from a childhood illness,

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<v Speaker 1>so did this boy. Bobby's uncle did not have to

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<v Speaker 1>look any longer. He knew this was his nephew. He

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<v Speaker 1>called home and told the Franks the news only minutes

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<v Speaker 1>before the kidnapper called to give Jacob Franks his instructions.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jacob had had to sit at the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>listen as the kidnapper spoke of his son as if

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<v Speaker 1>he was still alive. Jacob's plan now was to follow

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<v Speaker 1>the ransom instructions and hope they led to the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>But in his shock, Jacob did not retain the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the drug store he was supposed to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>The trail went cold for more than a week. The

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<v Speaker 1>appalled public wondered who could have committed such a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby had been beaten and suffocated, and then had acid

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<v Speaker 1>poured on his face after death. It was a senseless

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<v Speaker 1>awful killing. People could only speculate as to what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of monster the killer must be. But when the police

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<v Speaker 1>announced that they had obtained confessions for the crime, the

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<v Speaker 1>culprits were not at all what the public had expected.

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<v Speaker 1>The killers, for there were two of them, were the

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<v Speaker 1>clean cut, brilliant teenage scions of prominent families. Their names

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<v Speaker 1>were Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb. Leopold and Loebe's names

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<v Speaker 1>are infamous. The killing of Bobby Franks was called the

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<v Speaker 1>crime of the century. As the twisted tale of the

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<v Speaker 1>crime unfolded, people struggled to make sense of how the

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<v Speaker 1>two young men could do what they had done. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>awaited the trial certain that the pair would be sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death, But the killer's family had hired one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous attorneys in American history, Clarence Darrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in the courtroom in that hot summer of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four has to be heard to be believed,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Leopold and Loeb trial, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>well known trials of all time, was not really a

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<v Speaker 1>trial at all. Welcome to History on Trial. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host Mira Hayward. This week, Illinois v. Naan Leopold and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Loeb. Leopold and Lobes lives ran like trains on

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<v Speaker 1>parallel tracks until fatefully their paths converged. Both boys were

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<v Speaker 1>born to wealthy families, Nathan Freudenthal Leopold Junior on November nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh four, to Florence and Nathan Leopold, and Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Albert lob On June eleventh, nineteen oh five, to Albert

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<v Speaker 1>and Anna Loeb. Both boys had nicknames. Everyone called Nathan Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone called Richard Dickie. Both boys grew up in Kenwood,

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<v Speaker 1>an affluent, predominantly Jewish neighborhood on Chicago's South Side. Both

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<v Speaker 1>boys were precocious, skipping multiple grades and racing through their

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<v Speaker 1>school years in record time, and both boys were impacted

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<v Speaker 1>by disturbed nannies. Nathan was allegedly sexually abused by any

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<v Speaker 1>while Richard was allegedly emotionally abused by his domineering and

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<v Speaker 1>obsessive nanny. But the boys had differences too. They attended

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<v Speaker 1>different schools, had different interests, and very different personalities. Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>was aloof and egotistical. He had trouble connecting to his

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<v Speaker 1>peers his classmates at the Harvard School for Boys, nicknamed

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<v Speaker 1>him Flea because he was small and annoying. He was

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with birds. He shot and taxidermied thousands of the animals,

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<v Speaker 1>placing them around the Leopold Home until it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a natural history museum. Richard, on the other hand, was

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<v Speaker 1>popular and outgoing. He could easily fit into any social situation,

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<v Speaker 1>charming classmates and adults alike, but he sometimes seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be playing a role, and when people tried to get

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<v Speaker 1>close to him, he would not let them in. He

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<v Speaker 1>moved on from friend ships quickly. No one quite had

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<v Speaker 1>a grasp on who the real Richard was. His defining

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<v Speaker 1>adolescent interest was not birds, but books, detective fiction to

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<v Speaker 1>be specific, which he consumed voraciously. Since the two boys

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<v Speaker 1>had grown up so close together and in such similar circles,

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<v Speaker 1>they likely met once or twice in their childhood, but

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<v Speaker 1>it would not be until nineteen twenty that they would

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<v Speaker 1>truly connect. With deadly consequences that fall, Nathan enrolled at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Chicago, where Richard was beginning his sophomore year.

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<v Speaker 1>Both boys were only fifteen years old. They each had

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<v Speaker 1>different approaches to college. Richard went a little wild, drinking, gambling,

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<v Speaker 1>and losing his virginity at a brothel. Nathan, by contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>maintained his standoffish, superior attitude. Richard was stylish and handsome,

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan gawky and awkward. Over the course of the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>though the two began to get closer. They played cards

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<v Speaker 1>and stayed up late drinking and talking. In February nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, Richard took Nathan on a trip to his

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<v Speaker 1>family's estate in Charlevoi, Michigan. Albert Loebe had built an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous working farm there, and the Lobes loved to escape

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago for the peace of the lakeside retreat. Now, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>invited his new friend to visit. The train trip from

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago took twelve hours, and the pair shared a private

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<v Speaker 1>train car. Over the course of the long journey, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>and Nathan opened up to each other, sharing their feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of loneliness their desire to fit in. They also shared secrets.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard told Nathan about the thefts he'd committed inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>his love of crime fiction. In return, Nathan told Richard

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<v Speaker 1>that he was gay. Nathan had known he was gay

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<v Speaker 1>since childhood. Richard's sexuality is more ambiguous. He had sex

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<v Speaker 1>with women and like to maintain a playboy image. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he would later tell psychiatrists quote, the actual sex act

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<v Speaker 1>is rather unimportant to me, and I could get along

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<v Speaker 1>easily without it. On that train ride, though, perhaps fueled

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<v Speaker 1>by an intoxicating sense of closeness and shared vulnerability, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>and Nathan began a sexual relationship. In many ways, this

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<v Speaker 1>was a normal teenage fling. However, it had to be

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<v Speaker 1>conducted in strict secrecy. Homosexuality was deeply stigmatized at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The secret nature of their relationship seems to have brought

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<v Speaker 1>the pair even closer, as did their second secret. In

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<v Speaker 1>the spring, shortly after their trip to Charlevoi, Richard and

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan began committing crimes together. They stole cars and went

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<v Speaker 1>for joy rides, tossed bricks through the windshields of parked cars,

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<v Speaker 1>and vandalized businesses. The relationship seems to have fulfilled both

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<v Speaker 1>Richard and Nathan's childhood fantasies. For Nathan, the handsome, suave

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<v Speaker 1>Richard provided him social cachet and sexual gratification. For Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>the brilliant, fearless Nathan was the perfect partner in crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Both struggled to make genuine connections with others. With each other,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed they could finally be themselves and be accepted,

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<v Speaker 1>but that summer things nearly fell apart. A fellow University

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago student, Hamlin Bouchman, was working at the Lobe

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<v Speaker 1>farm at Charlevoi when Richard and Nathan came for a visit.

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<v Speaker 1>The three spent the evening drinking together and then fell asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>During the night, Buchman saw Richard go into Nathan's bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard and Nathan, realizing that their secret was out, decided

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<v Speaker 1>to take jurrass stick action. They attempted to kill Buchman.

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<v Speaker 1>They took Buuchman out on a boat, and, believing that

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<v Speaker 1>he could not swim, tipped the boat over. Buchman managed

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<v Speaker 1>to make it out of the lake in shock. He

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<v Speaker 1>immediately ran to Richard's brother, Allan and told him about

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<v Speaker 1>Richard and Nathan's relationship. The Low family did not believe

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<v Speaker 1>Buchman and fired him from the farm. Buchman traveled back

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<v Speaker 1>to Chicago and immediately told classmates what he'd seen. When

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<v Speaker 1>Richard and Nathan returned to campus, gossip about them raged

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<v Speaker 1>like wildfire. That fall in part due to the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>and in part due to a sense of restlessness. Richard

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<v Speaker 1>decided to transfer to the University of Michigan. Nathan decided

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<v Speaker 1>to transfer with him, but soon after the school year started,

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan learned that his mother, Florence, was dying. He managed

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<v Speaker 1>to make it home in time to be with her

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<v Speaker 1>when she died on October seventeenth, nineteen twenty one. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a devastating loss. When Nathan returned to Michigan, he

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<v Speaker 1>found that Richard had made new friends. These friends, along

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<v Speaker 1>with many other Michigan students, did not like Nathan. They

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was cold and pretentious. Rumors about the two

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<v Speaker 1>boys sexual relationship had also reached campus. Nathan and Richard

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<v Speaker 1>decided to quash the rumors by spending less time together.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the year, Nathan transferred back to

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Chicago. Richard stayed on at Michigan, where

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<v Speaker 1>he pledged a fraternity, drank, heavily, worked minimally, and read

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<v Speaker 1>detective novels. At Chicago, Nathan favored the intellectual life, studying

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<v Speaker 1>comparative language and becoming obsessed with the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche.

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan loved Nietzsche's conception of the Ubermensch, which he interpreted

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<v Speaker 1>to be quote a superman who, on account of certain

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<v Speaker 1>superior qualities inherent in him, is exempted for from the

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary laws which govern ordinary men. He is not liable

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<v Speaker 1>for anything he may do. Philosophers might disagree with Nathan's

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<v Speaker 1>definition of this concept, but it is an interpretation that

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<v Speaker 1>reveals Nathan's desire to transcend conventional definitions of morality. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the next year, Richard and Nathan did not keep in

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<v Speaker 1>close touch. In the summer of nineteen twenty three, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they found themselves reunited in Chicago. Both had graduated that

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<v Speaker 1>spring at age eighteen, the youngest graduates in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of their respective colleges. At loose ends, they reconnected and

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<v Speaker 1>resumed their life of crime. They cheated at cards, planned

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<v Speaker 1>break ins, and set fires. Nathan even managed to acquire guns,

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<v Speaker 1>which they carried with them on their nighttime expeditions. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the friendship was a fraught one. The pair argued constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan was jealous of the time Richard spent with other friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard was tired of Nathan's constant bragging about his intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>In October, they had a falling out and almost ended

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship. Nathan confessed in a letter to Richard that

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<v Speaker 1>he had thought about killing him. He also threatened to

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<v Speaker 1>expose Richard, either for their sexual relationship or for their crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, even after all of this, the friendship continued.

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<v Speaker 1>In November, while Richard and Nathan were both enrolled in

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<v Speaker 1>graduate classes at the University of Chicago, they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>commit their most daring crime yet. On Saturday the tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>they drove up to Ann Arbor to rob Richard's old

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<v Speaker 1>fraternity house. They brought guns, masks, flashlights, and a chisel

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<v Speaker 1>with them. It wasn't a very complicated crime. Upon arrival,

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<v Speaker 1>they walked through the unlocked front door and stole items

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.679
<v Speaker 1>they found lying around, loose change, a pen and pencil,

0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:11.479
<v Speaker 1>a knife, and notably, a portable underwood typewriter. They had

0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.360
<v Speaker 1>agreed earlier in the night to break into two fraternities,

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<v Speaker 1>but after pulling off the first tist, Richard wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go home. Nathan demanded that they follow through on the plan.

0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.439
<v Speaker 1>They went into another house and stole a camera, but

0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.639
<v Speaker 1>when Richard heard someone snoring, he panicked and ran. On

0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the drive home, Nathan was furious, he called Richard a

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<v Speaker 1>coward and questioned their connection. The argument built and built,

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and the two nearly ended things right there, but ultimately

0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:47.240
<v Speaker 1>they didn't. Instead, deciding to once again double down on

0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.919
<v Speaker 1>their toxic bond, the pair created a pact. The terms

0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of the pact, which they determined would last until Nathan

0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:00.439
<v Speaker 1>left for Europe the following summer. Were this agreed to

0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.520
<v Speaker 1>participate in any crime that Richard asked him to, unless

0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.320
<v Speaker 1>he thought it would put him or his family in danger.

0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.400
<v Speaker 1>In exchange, Richard agreed to have sex with Nathan three

0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.920
<v Speaker 1>times every two months. Lastly, the two agreed to embark

0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.879
<v Speaker 1>on a new project, one that they believed would strengthen

0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:29.760
<v Speaker 1>their relationship. Leopold and Lobe decided to kidnap someone. Progress

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.400
<v Speaker 1>was slow on the kidnapping plan. In March nineteen twenty four,

0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Nathan and Richard had another fight and renegotiated the pact.

0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Now Richard agreed to have sex with Nathan every time

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.720
<v Speaker 1>they committed a crime. They also began planning the kidnapping

0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.320
<v Speaker 1>in earnest. Richard had long been obsessed with committing the

0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.880
<v Speaker 1>perfect crime. Nathan had long been obsessed. Without smarting others,

0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:02.480
<v Speaker 1>their obsessions combined with tragic consequences. That spring, they were

0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.919
<v Speaker 1>determined to execute a flawless kidnapping. They plotted out an

0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 1>elaborate ransom plan, which involved multiple stops, phone calls, and

0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>a money drop off of a moving train. They even

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.640
<v Speaker 1>rehearsed the money drop, throwing a bundle of newspapers from

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.119
<v Speaker 1>the train to see where it landed. The pair also

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.919
<v Speaker 1>decided that they would have to kill their victim to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid being identified. They discussed different methods of murder and

0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 1>settled on either strangulation or drugging with ether. They chose

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.959
<v Speaker 1>a location to dump the body. Nathan suggested the area

0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:42.480
<v Speaker 1>around Wolf Lake, where he often led birding trips. The

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that the two could not decide on was

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a victim. They eventually decided that it would be best

0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.760
<v Speaker 1>to take a young boy from a wealthy family who

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<v Speaker 1>would pay the ransom. There were many such boys at

0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the Harvard School for Boys, Nathan's alma mater. Richard and

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Nate and spent the month of May getting the final

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<v Speaker 1>details in place. They constructed a fake identity, Morton Ballard,

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 1>which they used to open a bank account and rent

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:14.199
<v Speaker 1>a car. They bought a chisel rope and hydrochloric acid.

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>They typed up a ransom letter and scripts to use

0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:23.159
<v Speaker 1>for their calls by May twenty first they were ready.

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<v Speaker 1>That morning, they rented a dark blue car, ate lunch,

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>and drove to the Harvard School. They lurked around the area,

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>using a pair of Nathan's birding binoculars to spy on

0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the boys for several hours. A little after five PM,

0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 1>they spotted Bobby Franks walking down Ellis Avenue. Bobby Franks

0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:50.159
<v Speaker 1>was Richard Loebe's second cousin. Their families lived across the

0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.600
<v Speaker 1>street from each other. Bobby had played tennis with Richard

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the day before. He had no reason to be suspicious

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.359
<v Speaker 1>when Nathan and Richard pulled up alongside him and offered

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:06.560
<v Speaker 1>him a ride home. Bobby declined, though his home was

0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 1>only two blocks away. Richard tried again, saying he wanted

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.919
<v Speaker 1>to ask Bobby about his tennis racket. Bobby agreed and

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>hopped in the car. Within minutes, the attack began. Richard

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.359
<v Speaker 1>and Nathan never agreed on who had done the actual killing,

0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.679
<v Speaker 1>each blaming the other. One of them, though, began to

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 1>beat Bobby with the chisel, then shoved an ether soaked

0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 1>rag down his throat. Unconscious, Bobby lay bleeding on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor of the car As it sped out of Chicago.

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Around six, Richard and Nathan stopped for dinner. They ate

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>hot dogs and drank root beer at a picnic table

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.199
<v Speaker 1>while Bobby suffocated to death in the car. Once it

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 1>got dark, they drove to wolf Lake and dumped Bobby's

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<v Speaker 1>body in a culvert, first pouring acid on his face, genitals,

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and on a skin on his abdomen in an effort

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>to prevent identification. On the drive home, Nathan stopped and

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 1>called the Franks and told Flora that her son had

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 1>been kidnapped. Nathan and Richard's so called perfect crime fell

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 1>apart quickly. Bobby's body was discovered sooner than they had expected,

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>and Jacob Franks could not remember the complicated ransom instructions. However,

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<v Speaker 1>no one had any idea who had committed the crime.

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:35.359
<v Speaker 1>It was the talk of Chicago, and Richard himself couldn't

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 1>help but bring up the subject. He even involved himself

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 1>in the investigation, taking reporters on an expedition to discover

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>which drug store Jacob Franks was supposed to have gone to.

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<v Speaker 1>On this trip, the reporter asked Richard about Bobby, hoping

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to get family details for their story. Richard, to their horror,

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<v Speaker 1>told them quote, if I were going to murder anyone,

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.639
<v Speaker 1>I would murder just such a cocky little son of

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch as Bobby Frank's. On May twenty fifth, the

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's family held Bobby's funeral at their home. A distraught

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Flora Franks, who refused to believe that her son was dead,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.360
<v Speaker 1>ran her hands tenderly over the faces of his classmates.

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Franks told the Chicago Tribune, I'd try to put

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 1>things out of my mind, but they come back. My

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.680
<v Speaker 1>wife keeps showing me pictures of him, and I lay

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 1>awake until dawn thinking about it all, thinking about that baby. Meanwhile,

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Richard and Nathan continued their normal lives, attending dinners, taking

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 1>girls out on dates, drinking and dancing the nights away,

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:49.719
<v Speaker 1>but unbeknownst to them, the police were circling. Ultimately, it

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>was a pair of glasses that proved to be the killers.

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Undoing the glasses had been found by Bobby's body. The

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<v Speaker 1>first officer on the scene had assumed they were the boys,

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<v Speaker 1>but after learning they were not, investigators wondered if the

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 1>killer had dropped them. They spent all week tracing the

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>glasses and caught a huge break. The frames had a

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<v Speaker 1>distinctive hinge, only manufactured by one company in Brooklyn and

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>only sold by one optometrist in Chicago, Almer and Co.

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>The company searched its records and discovered that it had

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<v Speaker 1>sold three pairs of the glasses, one to a man

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>who was now in Europe, one to a woman who

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 1>still had her glasses, and one to Nathan Leopold. Nathan

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 1>had in fact been brought in by the police already,

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<v Speaker 1>but for unrelated reasons. A game warden at wolf Lake

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>had identified him to police as someone who frequented the

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<v Speaker 1>area for birding trips, and the police had questioned him

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>on May twenty fifth, the day of Bobby's funeral. Nathan

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>was not a suspect at this point. The police simply

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know when he was last in the area.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Nathan said he had last been there the weekend before

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Bobby's murder, and the police released him. But with the

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>glass's revelation, everything changed. Now the police focused their energy

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>on Nathan. On May twenty ninth, States attorney Robert Crowe,

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<v Speaker 1>who was leading the investigation and would soon lead the

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>prosecution sent detectives to question Nathan. When Nathan could not

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>produce his glasses, the detectives decided to bring him in

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>for questioning. Under questioning, Nathan claimed that his glasses must

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>have fallen out of his pocket while bird watching at

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Wolf Lake. However, when given his glasses and asked to

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>recreate the fall, Nathan could not dislodge the glasses from

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>his jacket pocket. He denied owning a portable typewriter, the

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of typewriter used to make the ransom note, and

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>he claimed that on the day of the kidnapping, he

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>had been out driving, drinking, and picking up girls with

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Richard Loeb. The detectives then searched his house again, uncovering

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>bottles of poisons and drugs, including ether, and two unlicensed handguns.

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Detectives arrived at Richard's house the next day, Friday, May thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard claimed not to remember what he had done on

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the day of the murder, but later, after receiving a

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 1>message from Nathan that he should quote remember what happened,

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>he told the police the same story about driving around

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>in Nathan's car. Robert Crowe and the police were convinced

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 1>that they had their men, and two events on Friday

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>solidified their case. First, a typewriter expert matched the type

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>in Nathan's study group notes to the type in the

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>ransom note. Though Nathan had denied having a portable typewriter,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Robert Crowe brought in members of his study group, who

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<v Speaker 1>all stated that he had once used a portable typewriter.

0:26:56.960 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>It would later emerge that the typewriter used was the

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Underwood portable typewriter that Nathan and Richard had stolen from

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the Michigan fraternity. The final nail in the coffin came

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>from the Leopold family chauffeur Spen England. England had believed

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that his information would help exonerate Nathan. According to his statement,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>England had been working on the brakes on Nathan's car

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>on May twenty first, so Nathan could not have used

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.719
<v Speaker 1>his car to kidnap anyone. But England didn't know that

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Nathan claimed to have driven around in his car that day. Inadvertently,

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>England had broken Nathan's alibi. England also told police that

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 1>he saw Nathan and Richard cleaning stains out of a

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>dark colored car on the twenty second, Bobby Franks was

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>last seen in the vicinity of a dark colored car,

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and a dark colored car had been spotted near wolf

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Lake around the time the killers had dumped Bobby's body.

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 1>With these four pieces of evidence, the broken alibi, the

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>matching glasses, the matching typewriter, and Leopold and Loebe's possession

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of a dark colored car, Robert Crowe believed he had

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>enough to get a confession. He decided to confront Richard first.

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:20.719
<v Speaker 1>When Crowe told Richard about England's evidence, Richard responded that

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the man must be lying or mistaken. But then Assistant

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>States Attorney Joseph Sparbaro confronted Richard with all the evidence.

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>My god, my god, Richard cried, this is terrible. He

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>burst into tears, then he started to talk. He gave

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Crow and Sparbarro a detailed confession of the kidnapping and

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>murder of Bobby Franks. With one confession obtained, Crow turned

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>his attention to Nathan. Even after hours of questioning, Nathan

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>was self assured when Crow walked into his room that evening.

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Nathan wanted to ask the attorney what he called a

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>hypothetical question quote supposing John Doe had committed this murder,

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and John Doe's family was as wealthy and influential as

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 1>mine is, and could hire able lawyers and get a

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>friendly judge and bribe the jury. Don't you think he

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>could beat it well, Nathan, said Crow. I will let

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you try to find out. What do you mean, asked Nathan,

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to charge you with murder. Nathan was incredulous.

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Even when Crow told him that Richard had confessed. Nathan

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>did not believe it until Crow began to recite details

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of the crime that only Richard could have known. For

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>a moment, Nathan paused. Then he lit a cigarette and

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>said to Crow, well, if Lobe is talking, I will

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>tell you the real truth over the ni The next

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>two days, Crow took Nathan and Richard on an evidence

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>gathering tour, stopping at the businesses they had used to

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>prepare for their crime. They visited the car rental agency,

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the hardware store where they'd bought the rope, the drug

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>store where they'd bought the hydrochloric acid. Everywhere they went,

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>shopkeepers identified them so much for committing a perfect crime. Still,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the peril of their situation seemed not to have sunk in.

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Nathan joked with reporters and repeatedly stated that he had

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>no remorse for the crime. Richard told a reporter that

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a few years in jail would be good for him, quote,

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll be released and come out to a new life.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll go to work and I'll work hard, and I'll

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>amount to something, have a career. A nearby police captain, astonished,

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>told Richard, you have taken a life. You've killed a boy.

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>The best you could possibly expect would be a life

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>sentence to an en inane asylum. Richard was stunned. Robert

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Crowe was determined to make sure that Leopold and Loeb

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>did not go to an insane asylum. He brought in

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>a number of psychiatrists to examine the pair, all of

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>whom concluded that they were not legally insane. They had

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>both understood that their actions were wrong. On June first,

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Robert Crowe held a press conference. He had already announced

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the identity and confessions of the killers. Now Crow declared

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>his intentions. I have he told reporters a hanging case.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Most people agreed, but Crow had not reckoned with the

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>wealth and desperation of the Leopold and Loeb families. They

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<v Speaker 1>were about to throw an unexpected factor into the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>The most famous defense attorney in America enter Clarence Darrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Darrow made a name for himself as a labor

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer representing unions and political activists. Darrow had honed a folksy,

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>effective style. Journalist Ben Hecht once described to Darrow in court,

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<v Speaker 1>quote the great barrister, artfully gotten up in baggy pants,

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>frayed linen and string tie, and playing dumb for the jury,

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<v Speaker 1>as if he were no lawyer at all, but a

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<v Speaker 1>cracker barrel philosopher groping for a bit of human truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Darrow was sixty seven in nineteen twenty four and was

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<v Speaker 1>tired and often unwell when Jacob Lobe, Richard's uncle, came

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<v Speaker 1>to his Chicago apartment on the night of May thirty, first,

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<v Speaker 1>begging Darrow to take on his nephew's defense. The lawyer hesitated.

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Lobe pleaded with Darrow, quote, save their lives. Get

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<v Speaker 1>them a life sentence instead of a death sentence. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all we ask of you. Moneis no object, will pay

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<v Speaker 1>you anything you ask. Only for God's sake, Don't let

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<v Speaker 1>them be hung Jacob Loebes plea resonated with Darrow for

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<v Speaker 1>two reasons. The first was one of principle. Darrow was

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<v Speaker 1>strongly opposed to the death penalty. The second was more prosaic.

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<v Speaker 1>He really needed the money. He told Jacob Loebe he

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<v Speaker 1>would take the case. Darrow would be joined in the

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<v Speaker 1>defense by two Chicago lawyers, brothers named Benjamin and Walter Backrack,

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<v Speaker 1>who the Leopold family hired. The Backracks also happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be Richard Loeb's cousins. The defense was certainly facing an

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<v Speaker 1>uphill battle. This was before the advent of the Miranda warning,

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<v Speaker 1>and both Richard and Nathan had freely confessed to the

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<v Speaker 1>police and had even helped them gather evidence. The case

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<v Speaker 1>against the pair was watertight. Public sentiment was also against

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<v Speaker 1>the killers. People were horrified by their callous attitudes, as

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<v Speaker 1>exemplified by Nathan, who described the crime to a reporter

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>as quote an experiment and an exemplary and commendable thing.

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<v Speaker 1>People were also angry at Darrow for taking the case.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Darrow had made his reputation defending the poor and depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he was defending the privileged. People worried that the

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>wealth of the families would allow the killers to escape punishment.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>The Leopold and Lobe families responded publicly to this claim,

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<v Speaker 1>saying in a statement, quote, in no event will the

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<v Speaker 1>families of the accused boys use money in any attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to defeat justice. On July eleventh, Richard and Nathan were arraigned.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of people showed up, and so many of them

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<v Speaker 1>tried to push into the courtroom that they tore the

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<v Speaker 1>doors off their hinges. Richard and Nathan both pled not

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<v Speaker 1>guilty to the charges of murder and kidnapping. The trial

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<v Speaker 1>date was set for August fourth. The defense team began

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare for trial. They had decided to pursue an

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>insanity defense. Walter Backrach went to the American Psychiatric Association's

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>annual convention to recruit experts to testify for the defense.

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He found four doctors willing to do so. These doctors

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<v Speaker 1>all spoke to Nathan and Richard personally, but also relied

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<v Speaker 1>on a comprehensive report prepared by two additional doctors, Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Bowman and Harold Hulbert. Bowman and Hulbert spent a week

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing the defendants. Based on these interviews, Hulbert and Bowman

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<v Speaker 1>compiled a large report focusing on all aspects of the

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<v Speaker 1>defendant's upbringing, moral views, and mental and physical health. Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Crowe heard the rumors about the defense's plan, but was unconcerned.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>He had had his own team of psychiatrists examined Richard

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<v Speaker 1>and Nathan, and all these experts were prepared to testify

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<v Speaker 1>that the defendants were not legally insane. The state of

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois used the McNaughton rule to determine insanity. The mcnoton

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<v Speaker 1>rule is covered in more detail in our episode on

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Guittou, but the basics are this. A defendant can

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<v Speaker 1>only be found not guilty by reason of insanity if

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<v Speaker 1>they both did not understand the nature of their crime

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and also could not distinguish right from wrong at the

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>time they committed the crime. Crowe was confident he could

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>beat Darrow in an insanity trial, but Darrow was about

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<v Speaker 1>to change the game. On July twenty first, the lawyer's

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<v Speaker 1>defendants and hundreds of spectators assembled in Judge John Caverly's

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<v Speaker 1>courtroom at the Criminal Courts Building. No one expected anything dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>This was simply the first day that either side could

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<v Speaker 1>present motions to the judge. But then Clarence Darrow stood

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<v Speaker 1>and began to speak. Quote, after long reflection and thorough discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>we have determined to make a motion in this court

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<v Speaker 1>to withdraw a plea of not guilty and enter a

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<v Speaker 1>plea of guilty. A stunned silence filled the courtroom. Darrow's

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<v Speaker 1>change of tactics came as a complete surprise, which was

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<v Speaker 1>just how he wanted it. He had made the decision

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.839
<v Speaker 1>to plead the defendants guilty weeks earlier, but had kept

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<v Speaker 1>his intentions secret from almost everyone, including Richard and Nathan,

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>who only learned of the plan on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty first. Darrow believed that a guilty plea was

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<v Speaker 1>his only chance to save the defendants' lives. He did

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<v Speaker 1>not believe that a jury would buy an insanity plea.

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<v Speaker 1>By pleading guilty, the trial would become a sentencing hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Darrow would only have to convince one man, the judge,

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<v Speaker 1>that his clients did not deserve death. He believed that

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<v Speaker 1>he could so convince Judge Caverley, who had never before

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<v Speaker 1>condemned anyone to death. In his motion to change the plea,

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<v Speaker 1>Darrow also asked that the defense be allowed to offer

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>information to mitigate punishment, in other words, to provide information

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<v Speaker 1>that might contextualize the defendant's actions. He specifically asked to

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to introduce evidence on the defendant's mental conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Crowe objected. He argued that allowing the defense to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce such evidence was subverting the law. If they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to introduce this evidence, he said, they should have pled

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<v Speaker 1>not guilty by reason of insanity. Judge Cavalley wanted time

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<v Speaker 1>to decide. He told Darrow that he was shocked by

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<v Speaker 1>the guilty plea, saying, you have unloaded a big responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>upon me. It was totally unexpected. Then declared that the

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<v Speaker 1>sentencing hearing would begin two days, hence on Wednesday, July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third. July twenty third was a hot day. All

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<v Speaker 1>of the days of the sentencing hearing would be turning

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom into a steam room. At ten am, the

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<v Speaker 1>hearing began. Although this was no longer a trial per se,

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>both the prosecution and defense intended to present full cases,

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<v Speaker 1>including opening statements. Robert Crowe began he did not pull

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<v Speaker 1>his punches. The state will show. He said that these

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<v Speaker 1>men are guilty of the most cruel, cowardly, dastardly murder

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<v Speaker 1>ever committed in the annals of American jurisprudence. The state

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<v Speaker 1>will demonstrate their guilt here so conclusively that there is

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<v Speaker 1>not an avenue for them to escape. We are going

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<v Speaker 1>to demand the death penalty for both of these cold,

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<v Speaker 1>blowe udded, cruel and vicious murderers. Darrow pushed back on

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<v Speaker 1>Crowe's characterization, saying that this was not the worst crime

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 1>ever committed. When Crowe objected to this, Darrow reframed, arguing

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<v Speaker 1>instead that quote terrible as this is, terrible as any

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<v Speaker 1>killing is, it would be without precedent if two boys

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<v Speaker 1>of this age should be hanged by the neck until dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would in no way bring back Robert Franks

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<v Speaker 1>or add to the peace and security of this community.

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<v Speaker 1>He emphasized the defendant's youth, describing them as boys, a

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<v Speaker 1>term he and the defense lawyers and experts would use

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the trial. At the time of the crime, Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>had been nineteen and Richard eighteen. Robert Crowe now presented

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>his case. As Nina Barrett notes in her book The

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<v Speaker 1>Leopold and Lobe Files, Judge Cavalley had a quote liberal

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<v Speaker 1>attitude toward hearing any and all evidence that might help

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<v Speaker 1>him weigh the terms of justice in his own mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and Crowe was determined to paint a comprehensive picture of

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<v Speaker 1>both the killer's guilt and of their lack of remorse.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of the next week, he would present

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one witnesses. He introduced Bobby's parents, Jacob and Flora,

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<v Speaker 1>whose grief seemed to overwhelm them. He brought on coroner

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Joseph Springer, who described Bobby's injuries and how he

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<v Speaker 1>had slowly suffocated on the ether soaked rag. He brought

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<v Speaker 1>on the various shopkeepers who had all identified Nathan and Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, Darrow objected to Crowe's case, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>given the guilty plea, such a recitation of evidence was unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Crow responded that he wanted to demonstrate that the defendants

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<v Speaker 1>had only confessed because of the quote mountain of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>against them, not out of any sense of remorse. Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Caverly told Crow to proceed. Crow next called the experts

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and investigators who had helped gather the evidence against the pair.

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>The typewriter expert who had matched the ransom note to

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Nathan's study notes, the optometrist who had prescribed Nathan's glasses,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor who had found bloodstains on the pair's clothes

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and in their rental car. Throughout this presentation, Nathan and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard's behavior shocked observers. They whispered to one another, laughed,

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>made faces, fidgeted in their chairs. They did not seem

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to be taking anything seriously, and they certainly showed no

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>respect for the victim's family nor remorse for their crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>When a reporter asked Richard to explain his behavior, he responded,

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<v Speaker 1>what do they want me to do? I sit in

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom and watch the play as its On July thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>after the defendant's police interviews and confessions were read into

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<v Speaker 1>the record, Robert Crowe concluded his case. It was now

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<v Speaker 1>time for the defense to begin. The first defense witness

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<v Speaker 1>was doctor William White, president of the American Psychiatric Association.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowe objected to this testimony, using the same argument he'd

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<v Speaker 1>made on July twenty first. The defense he believed should

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<v Speaker 1>not be allowed to introduce evidence of insanity since they

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<v Speaker 1>had pled guilty. The arguments over this issue continued for

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<v Speaker 1>three days. Finally, Judge Caverley decided to allow the evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but added that if any of the defense witnesses made

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<v Speaker 1>a claim about insanity as opposed to providing context for

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the defendant's mental health, he would call a jury and

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>begin a jury trial. With this matter resolved, doctor White

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<v Speaker 1>began his testimony. He delved into the psychology of the defendants.

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<v Speaker 1>That Richard, who he and all the other defense experts

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>referred to by his nickname of Dickie, had a fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>of being a master criminal, a fantasy so compelling that

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<v Speaker 1>it prevented him from understanding the real world. About Nathan,

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<v Speaker 1>who he again using his nickname, called Babe, Doctor White

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>said that he had developed a hardened shell of superiority

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and coldness as a way of protecting himself. He discussed

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the troubled childhoods of both defendants, the abuses of their nannies,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.799
<v Speaker 1>and the unexpected costs of privilege. He described the defendants

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>as emotionally disturbed young men, who, while say, did not

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have the same capacity for understanding right and wrong that

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a normal person would. On cross examination, Crowe tried to

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<v Speaker 1>trigger a jury trial. He asked White to show his

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>initial psychiatric report to crow. It seemed suspicious that White

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.320
<v Speaker 1>would diagnose the defendants with so many psychological issues without

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>also labeling them insane. Under discovery rules, Crowe was entitled

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to see White's original report, but the defense objected. After

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>some back and forth, Judge Caverlely asked White to produce

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>his report. White responded that he had given his report

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to defense lawyer Walter Backrack and no longer had it. Backrack,

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<v Speaker 1>in turn refused to produce it. Crow pushed, saying, if

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I can prove that this man has changed his conclusions,

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<v Speaker 1>that at one time he was willing to swear for

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<v Speaker 1>pay to one thing, and on another occasion he is

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<v Speaker 1>willing to swear to a different set of facts for pay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have destroyed the value of his testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, for some reason he gave up, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>if the defense would not produce the report, he would

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<v Speaker 1>let the issue rest. Crow had come very near to

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>exploding Clarence Darrow's plan. In July twenty seventeen, Northwestern University

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>managed to obtain the initial psychiatric reports made by the

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<v Speaker 1>defense experts and found that three of them, including that

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of doctor White, had indeed initially declared the defendants insane,

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.279
<v Speaker 1>they had changed their testimony. When the defendants changed their plea,

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Darrow suppressed these reports in order to ensure that the

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>doctor's testimony would not trigger a jury trial. This had

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>long been rumored, but the discovery of the reports confirmed

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>it and revealed the extremely ethically dubious actions of Darrow

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and these experts. But back in nineteen twenty one, the

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>defense proceeded with its case. The next witness, doctor William Healey,

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 1>also discussed the defendant's mental instability. The most important part

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of his testimony was his discussion of the pact between

0:46:56.680 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Nathan and Richard, including the fact that the terms included sex.

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Nathan and Richard's homosexual relationship had been rumored and hinted at,

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 1>but Healey's testimony confirmed it. After Healey, the defense called

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<v Speaker 1>two more psychiatrists, doctor Bernard Gluck and doctor Harold Hulbert.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they presented a series of character witnesses, classmates and friends,

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>who discussed Richard's immaturity and Nathan's obsession with Nietzsche. With that,

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the defense concluded their case. For his rebuttal case, Robert

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Crowe presented his own series of psychiatrists, all of whom

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>believed that Nathan and Richard were not mentally ill. None

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>of the psychological evidence on either side was particularly compelling,

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>but the defense experts did provide the public with a

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>new picture of the defendants. Instead of being monstrous murderers,

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>they were traumatized children lashing out at a world that

0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 1>had hurt them. After the testimony concluded, the closing arguments began,

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Assistant States Attorney Thomas Marshall kicked things off, saying that

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the precedent in cases like this was to give the

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:13.839
<v Speaker 1>murderers the death penalty. ASA Joseph Savage continued the prosecution's

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>argument in a moving, powerful speech. Savage detailed the crime

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and pushed back on how Darrow had constantly described Richard

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and Nathan as boys, saying, Darrow asks your honor for mercy,

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and he tells your honor that they are both youths. Boys.

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>What mercy did they show that boy? Savage's closing brought

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom to tears. Even Nathan was affected in his

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 1>own way, asking his brother, my God, do you think

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>we'll swing? After that, it was now the defense's turn.

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Walter Backrach gave a brief speech. He recapped the testimony

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of their psychiatric experts, and returned to the theme of

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the defendant's youth, saying, quote, your honor stands in relationship

0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>of a father to these defendants. Once Backrack concluded on

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the afternoon of August twenty second, Clarence Darrow rose he

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 1>would deliver a defense for the Ages, an eight hour

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 1>tour de force that is one of the most famous

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 1>closing arguments in legal history. He discussed the lack of

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>legal precedent for a death sentence in such a case,

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 1>noting that only three people had ever been hanged after

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>pleading guilty. He described the evolution of the application of

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.879
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty, stating that it had been used more

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and more selectively over the years, and called for judicial progressiveness.

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>He also focused on moral objections to the death penalty,

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>saying do you think you can cure the hatreds and

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the maladjustments of the world by hanging them? You may,

0:49:56.440 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 1>here and there cure hatred with love and understanding, but

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you can only add fuel to the flames by hating.

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>In return, he made the stakes of Judge Caverley's decisions stark,

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>saying of the concept of justice, quote, who knows what

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>it is does Crow know, Do I know? Does your

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 1>honor know? Is there any human machinery for finding it?

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Can your honor appraise these two young men and say

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>what they deserve? It means that you must appraise every

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>influence that moves them, the civilization where they live, they're living,

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 1>their society, all society which enters into the making of

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>a child. If your honor can do it, If you

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>can do it, you are wise. And with wisdom goes

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 1>mercy for all its eloquence and humanity. Darrow's closing could

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:59.879
<v Speaker 1>also be callous and inaccurate. He said that quote poor

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:04.319
<v Speaker 1>little Bobby Franks suffered very little and died quickly, which

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>was not true. He said that perhaps it was Bobby's

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>fate to die young, and replied that he might not

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 1>have done anything with his life. Quote perhaps the boy

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>who died at fourteen did as much as if he

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.280
<v Speaker 1>had died at seventy. He said of Richard and Nathan,

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>these two are the victims. But Darrow ended on a

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 1>powerful note, saying, I am pleading for life, understanding, charity

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and kindness and the infinite mercy that forgives all. I

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>with love. I am pleading for the future. I am

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>pleading for a time when hatred and cruelty will not

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 1>control the hearts of men. At the end of his closing,

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 1>as at the end of Savages, many in the courtroom

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>wherein tears, defense attorney Benjamin Backrack now gave a brief

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>statement in which he again outlied the evidence of the

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>defendant's mental instability. Robert Crowe would have the final word

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>in the trial. Crow was angry, frustrated by Darrow's characterization

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>of the defendants as boys who could not control their actions,

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.880
<v Speaker 1>upset by the defense's attempt to make the crime seem

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:28.360
<v Speaker 1>less brutal than it had been, and his fury showed

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>in his closing arguments. He spoke loudly and shook his

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 1>fists and stamped his feet for emphasis. He also introduced

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a new theory, the idea that Bobby Franks was molested

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 1>before he was murdered. The defense objected, but cavally allowed

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the evidence, although he ordered all women to leave the

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 1>courtroom first. There was not conclusive evidence one way or

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>another about this claim. The medical evidence was ambiguous. The

0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>next day, Crow continued his argument. He attacked the defense psychiatrists,

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the defense attorneys, and the defendants. We ought to treat

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:13.359
<v Speaker 1>them with kindness and consideration, he asked, incredulously, why from

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the evidence in this case, they are as much entitled

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to the sympathy and mercy of this court as a

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of rattlesnakes. They are a disgrace to their honored families,

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and they are a menace to this community. The only

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>useful thing that remains for them now in life is

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to go out of life, and go out of it

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>as quickly as possible under the law. Crow's forceful words

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>seem to be effective in undermining Darrow's arguments, but then

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor made a misstep. He brought up Nathan Leopold's

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>statement during interrogation that quote, a friendly judge would let

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 1>them off. Crow had meant to illustrate the defendants smugness

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and lack of remorse, but Judge Caverley interpreted this as

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 1>an attack on his integrity, Believing that Crow was implying

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that he had been bribed. He rebuked Crow and ordered

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that the words be stricken from the record, as they

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>were a quote cowardly and dastardly assault upon the integrity

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of this court uncomfortable. Crow tried to explain that that

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>had not been his intent, but Caverlely was furious on

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>this awkward note. On the afternoon of August twenty eighth,

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the sentencing hearing ended after thirty two days. Judge Cavalley

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>stated that he would announce his decision on September tenth,

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:45.720
<v Speaker 1>and said that anyone who bothered him during his deliberations

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:50.320
<v Speaker 1>would be quote sent to jail instantly. Despite this, morning,

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Judge Caverley and his wife received multiple death threats, and

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>someone threatened to bomb the courthouse if he did not

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>sentence Nathan and Richard to death. At nine thirty a m.

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<v Speaker 1>On Wednesday, September tenth, Judge Cavalley called the court to order.

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>He said that given the interest the country had in

0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:15.919
<v Speaker 1>the case, he wished to explain his decision. He said

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that the psychiatric testimony did not impact his decision because

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.800
<v Speaker 1>he believed that quote similar analyzes made of other persons

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:28.000
<v Speaker 1>accused of crime will probably reveal similar or different abnormalities

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and thus were not necessarily mitigating factors. He described the

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 1>crime as having been premeditated and planned and executed with

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:42.560
<v Speaker 1>quote callousness and cruelty, but he said he could not

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>ignore the youth of the defendants given their age and quote.

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 1>In accordance with the progress of criminal law, with the

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>dictates of enlightened humanity, and the precedents hitherto observed in

0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>this state, he would be sentencing Nathan Leepold and Richard

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Lob to life in prison. The decision to sentence Leopold

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and Lobe to prison, specifically a life sentence for the

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 1>murder plus a ninety nine year sentence for the kidnapping,

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:19.240
<v Speaker 1>came as a surprise to many, but people also seemed

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to understand and accept the sentence. This public reaction to

0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the sentence reflected evolving perceptions of the crime itself. When

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the identities of the killers had first been announced, and

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.799
<v Speaker 1>when Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb gave shocking interviews in

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:38.320
<v Speaker 1>which they could not explain their motives and expressed no remorse,

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the crime had seemed beyond understanding to many people, but

0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the trial, or more specifically, the press coverage of the trial,

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:51.520
<v Speaker 1>had changed that view. As the historian PAULA Fast says

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 1>in her article Making and Remaking an Event, the Leopold

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and Lobe case in American culture. Quote, the killers became

0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>anything the Nietzschean superman whom they claimed to be and

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 1>whose self sufficiency initially alarmed the public. Instead, they became children,

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>precocious and wounded, certainly, but children who could provide lessons

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>about how to normalize childhood. This last point was an

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>especially important one. People wanted to find a lesson from

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the crime, and they found several lessons about how society

0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:32.960
<v Speaker 1>should change. For example, what had initially been understood as

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 1>an unfathomable thrill killing was now seen as a representation

0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of the era's troubles. People saw Leopold and Lobe as

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the culmination of all of the trends of the twenties.

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Were they jaded by the jazz life of ginnin girls

0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 1>so that they needed so terrible a thing as murder

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 1>to give them new thrills? Asked the Chicago Daily Tribune.

0:57:56.280 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>The same article asked, quote, were they bored by life

0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 1>which left them nothing to be desired, no obstacles to overcome,

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>no goal to attain? The idea that the pair's wealth

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>had negatively influenced them had been a key part of

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the defense's case. There were echoes in this defense and

0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 1>in the public discussion of the trial of the twenty

0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 1>sixteen case of Ethan Couch, a sixteen year old who

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>killed four people while drunk driving. Like Leopold and Lobe,

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Couch pleaded guilty. At his sentencing hearing, defense psychologist Gary

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Miller stated quote, he never learned that sometimes you don't

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 1>get your way. He had the cars, and he had

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the money. He had freedoms that no young man would

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 1>be able to handle. Though prosecutors had asked for a

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty year prison sentence, Couch was instead handed ten years

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of probation. Speaking about the sentence, Eric Boyles, whose wife

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and daughter had been killed by Couch, said, had he

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:59.680
<v Speaker 1>not had money to have the defense there, to also

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>have the experts testify, and also offered to pay for

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the treatment, I think the results would have been different.

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Whether or not you buy the so called affluenza defense.

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to deny the influence on both Couch and

0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Leopold and Loeb's case. The Leopold and Loeb family's wealth

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 1>allowed them to pay a top defense lawyer, and Darrow's

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>shrewd work on the case, particularly his closing argument, certainly

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 1>influenced the verdict, as the Chicago Daily Tribune recorded, quote,

0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 1>it was the opinion in legal circles that mister Crow's

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>mountain high evidence had been displaced by Clarence S. Darrow's

0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 1>sage philosophizing. Had Leopold and Lob not been able to

0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:47.000
<v Speaker 1>afford talented defense attorneys, their outcome would likely have been different.

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 1>The Frank's family responded to the verdict with grace. Flora

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Franks told newspapers that she had not wanted the death penalty,

0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in large part because of Bobby's view on the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>In a school debate several weeks before his murder, Bobby

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:10.040
<v Speaker 1>had spoken against the death penalty, saying punishment should be reformative,

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<v Speaker 1>never vindictive. Jacob Frank said he was just happy that

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<v Speaker 1>it was over. Quote. There can be no more torture

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing this thing spread over the front pages of newspapers.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be easier for missus Franks and for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be relieved of the terrible strain of all this publicity.

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<v Speaker 1>The publicity had indeed been relentless for the Frank's family

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<v Speaker 1>during the trial. Thousands of curious people had flocked the

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Frank's home in Kenwood, looking through their windows and invading

1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 1>their privacy. In late September, Jacob Franks decided to sell

1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:49.919
<v Speaker 1>the family home and move to a different part of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>They auctioned off everything in their home, and twelve hundred

1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:59.720
<v Speaker 1>people showed up just to see Bobby Franks's room. Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Frank died in nineteen twenty eight. A newspaper article announcing

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<v Speaker 1>his death said he was quote never able to recover

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<v Speaker 1>from his grief. Flora died in nineteen thirty seven. Within

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<v Speaker 1>five years of the trial, Richard's father, Albert, and Nathan's father,

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan Senior, were also dead, and then on January twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six, Richard Loeb was stabbed to death in

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<v Speaker 1>prison by another inmate. That left only Nathan Leopold, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was determined that he would not spend the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of his life in prison. Though his first years in

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<v Speaker 1>prison had been defined by rule breaking and trouble making,

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<v Speaker 1>he began to settle down and volunteered around the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty three, he had his first parole hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>When asked about the motives for his crime, Nathan refused

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<v Speaker 1>to answer, saying only I don't know why I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a different man now. I was a smart Alec kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a smart Alec kid did not impress the parole

1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:08.320
<v Speaker 1>board as justification for murder. Nathan's lack of remorse also

1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>troubled the board, they denied his parole request. Over the

1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:17.800
<v Speaker 1>next five years, Nathan promoted his reformed image, heavily participating

1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in interviews that promoted his volunteer work and distanced him

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<v Speaker 1>from the crime. In a Saturday Evening Post profile, Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>described the murder as something he'd only quote been present at.

1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.720
<v Speaker 1>He also insisted that he was no longer gay. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven, he published a memoir called Life plus

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine Years, in which Nathan portrayed himself as deeply remorseful,

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<v Speaker 1>while also claiming that he only did the crime because

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Loeb forced him to. In February nineteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan had another parole Board hearing. He continued his denial

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<v Speaker 1>of responsibility, repeating the claim that he was forced into

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<v Speaker 1>the crime by Richard Loeb and said I had no

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<v Speaker 1>wish to do this dreadful thing. However, he also said

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<v Speaker 1>he was overwhelmed by remorse and said it is not

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<v Speaker 1>easy to live with murder on your conscience, The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you didn't do the actual killing yourself does not

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<v Speaker 1>make it any easier. Despite this shifting of blame, the

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<v Speaker 1>parole board was more receptive to Nathan this time around,

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<v Speaker 1>and granted him parole on February twentieth. He moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico, where he took a job in a hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and married a woman. In nineteen seventy one, he visited

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago and went on a trip to the area around

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf Lake where he had dumped Bobby Franks's body nearly

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years earlier. The area, once a wild land, had

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<v Speaker 1>been built over. In a letter to his attorney, Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>described the area only as quote where I used to

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<v Speaker 1>go birding. Soon after this trip, Nathan, already in poor health,

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<v Speaker 1>fell ill. On August twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one, Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>Leopold died. The Leopold and Loeb case has achieved mythical

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<v Speaker 1>status in the annals of true crime. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have all the elements of a fictional story. The remorseless,

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<v Speaker 1>eccentric killers, the impassioned defense attorney, the debates over society

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<v Speaker 1>and morals and justice. It can be hard to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that at the heart of this story is a fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy who thought he was stepping into a

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<v Speaker 1>relative's car to talk about tennis rackets and then was

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<v Speaker 1>brutally killed. There is a human reality to this case.

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<v Speaker 1>For all its drama. It is a sad, sordid tale.

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<v Speaker 1>But as one of Nathan's parole board members said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the story is already a legend. That's the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois v. Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb. Stay with me

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<v Speaker 1>after the break to learn about the presses prizing role

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<v Speaker 1>in the case. Like many so called crimes of the century,

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<v Speaker 1>the press were all over the Leopold and Loeb case,

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<v Speaker 1>but the press played an unusual role in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Two reporters, James Mulroy and Alvin Goldstein, were instrumental to

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<v Speaker 1>solving the crime. On May twenty second, Mulroy, a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chicago Daily News, received a tip that Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Franks had been kidnapped. He got in touch with the

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's family friend, Samuel Edelson, who confirmed the story in

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<v Speaker 1>exchange for Mulroy promising not to publish anything yet. Mulroy

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<v Speaker 1>agreed and traveled over to the Frank's house to see

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<v Speaker 1>what more he could learn. Meanwhile, Mulroy's colleague Alvin Goldstein

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<v Speaker 1>had been sent to write up the discovery of a

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<v Speaker 1>boy's body in Indiana. When Mulroy's editor told him about

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<v Speaker 1>the body, Mulroy connected the dots and suggested that it

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<v Speaker 1>might be Bobby Franks. Infrom was the reason the Frank

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<v Speaker 1>sent Bobby's uncle to look at the body and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>identify it. On May twenty third, Mulroy and Goldstein stopped

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<v Speaker 1>for lunch at the Zeta Beta Tau fraternity house at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Chicago. Richard Loebe happened to be there

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with another reporter named Howard Mayer about the Franks case.

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<v Speaker 1>Loebe suggested to the reporters that they could find out

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<v Speaker 1>which drug store Jacob Franks was supposed to have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to for the ransom. The four men traveled to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>third Street and were able to discover the drug store,

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<v Speaker 1>which the journalists then reported to the police. Mulroy and

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<v Speaker 1>Goldstein had their biggest break on May thirty. First. They

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<v Speaker 1>had been talking to Nathan's classmates and discovered that Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>was the note taker for his study group. One student

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<v Speaker 1>told the reporters that while Nathan usually used a Hammond typewriter,

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<v Speaker 1>he had once seen Nathan use a portable typewriter instead.

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<v Speaker 1>The student gave mulroy and Goldstein copies of the group notes,

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<v Speaker 1>which they took to the typewriter expert who had examined

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<v Speaker 1>the ransom note for the police. Upon examining the study notes,

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<v Speaker 1>the expert was sure that one set of them, the

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<v Speaker 1>set that differed from all the rest, was typed by

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<v Speaker 1>the same typewriter that had produced the ransom note. Mulroy

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<v Speaker 1>and Goldstein took this information to Robert Crowe, who proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>to call in the study group members and question them.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be one of the final pieces of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that sealed the case against Leopold and Loeb for their

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<v Speaker 1>dogged reporting and four quote their service towards the solution

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder of Robert Franks in Chicago on May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, nineteen twenty four, and the bringing to justice

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<v Speaker 1>of Nathan F. Leopold and Richard Loeb. James Mulroy and

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin Goldstein were awarded the nineteen twenty five Pulitzer Prize

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<v Speaker 1>in Reporting. Thank you for listening to History on Trial.

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<v Speaker 1>My main sources for this episode were Nina Barrett's book

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<v Speaker 1>The Leopold and Low Files, An intimate look at one

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<v Speaker 1>of America's most infamous crimes, Eric Rabaine's website Lobe and

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<v Speaker 1>Leopold dot Com, Greg King and Penny Wilson's book Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>But the Night Leopold and Loeb and The Truth Behind

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<v Speaker 1>the Murder that rocked nineteen twenties America, and Paula Fass's

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<v Speaker 1>article Making and Remaking an event, the Leopold and Loeb

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<v Speaker 1>Case in American Culture. For a full bibliography, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a transcript of this episode with citations, please visit

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