Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: This episode contains a bunch of adult language and subject matter.
Speaker 2: Please proceed with caution. What about the halfway mark for
Speaker 2: our book club? Has everyone purchased their book or rented
Speaker 2: their book? Where are we on the reading journey of
Speaker 2: Blob a Love Story by.
Speaker 3: You've already done already, you know what.
Speaker 2: I have not started.
Speaker 3: Do your homework?
Speaker 2: Person, I am you know, but I actually have not
Speaker 2: started yet. I was kind of putting my feelers out
Speaker 2: to see where you guys are.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you haven't started yet.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you set this up.
Speaker 1: And you have not started yet.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. I haven't know. Do you have the book? Do
Speaker 3: you do have? Is you've bought the book?
Speaker 2: I have the book in the library.
Speaker 1: Did you can you rent a book?
Speaker 2: How did you check it out?
Speaker 3: To mend a book?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was going to say.
Speaker 4: When you said rent a book, I was like, is
Speaker 4: it like you have to be twenty six?
Speaker 1: You have to have your license?
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's one year older than you need to be
Speaker 2: to rest.
Speaker 4: Never get the insurance on the book. That's a scam exactly,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: No, I got and then it falls in the incinerator.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 1: No, I have the book.
Speaker 4: I have not started the book because I still have
Speaker 4: like three hundred pages left of the fantasy novel that
Speaker 4: I'm in right now, and I cannot do that.
Speaker 5: For sure, I would be way behind. But I'm actually
Speaker 5: ahead of you, guys. Now, I'm only nineteen pages in.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you just started too, Okay, twenty three pages.
Speaker 3: I got this many notes on the back.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, on nineteen pages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I see a nice pen stuck in there.
Speaker 4: Did you ever find Christmas pen stuck in any other book? No?
Speaker 3: No, don't know where Christmas pen win.
Speaker 5: It was a great gift, it was, I mean, hundred
Speaker 5: dollars bookmark is a wonderful gift.
Speaker 2: I still check every single day for writers leather jacket.
Speaker 2: I still I really do I have. It'd be awesome
Speaker 2: if you could lose one every year.
Speaker 5: It makes me so sad because it really is like.
Speaker 5: We found that one pretty quickly with one of our
Speaker 5: listeners sent it to us. I assumed they.
Speaker 2: Were out there, Yeah, it's right now.
Speaker 3: They're not out there, No, they're not.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to find. Going back to book club,
Speaker 2: we did hear from the author Maggie Sue, which is
Speaker 2: our Instagram.
Speaker 3: Cool until we don't like the book and then we
Speaker 3: can't talk.
Speaker 1: About it exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope we like it.
Speaker 2: I hope so oh writers got nineteen, He's already got
Speaker 2: notes on page nineteen.
Speaker 1: I've written the first chapter.
Speaker 3: I'm saying nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm saying nothing.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fischl, I'm writer Strong,
Speaker 2: and I'm Wilfredell. Season six is here. We have had
Speaker 2: our own fears about entering the final two seasons Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World. Thanks to these small fragments of memories, we
Speaker 2: still have the glimpses of our souls leaving our body
Speaker 2: mid scene already visible in season five, and the warnings
Speaker 2: we get from you listeners like uh huh, here we
Speaker 2: go or they are not gonna like this. But we
Speaker 2: are going in with an open mind like we always do.
Speaker 2: And one high point we can hang our hats on
Speaker 2: is the addition of a new character, a love interest,
Speaker 2: if that's what the writers wanted to call it. Rachel McGuire,
Speaker 2: played by an actress who was so much taller than us.
Speaker 2: Our boom mics can be seen in her first episodes
Speaker 2: because our boom operators weren't used to actors with any
Speaker 2: height being on set. She began her career on soap
Speaker 2: operas and had a guest star spot on Home Improvement,
Speaker 2: then was introduced on our show alongside Penbrook College, a
Speaker 2: brand new environment for our little high school graduates. We've
Speaker 2: already had some questions about what exactly the writers were
Speaker 2: doing with this edition, and she might have the answer.
Speaker 2: No slight to her. She genuinely did as much as
Speaker 2: she humanly could with what was given to her, But
Speaker 2: come on, give the girl a storyline. Luckily, she'd stick
Speaker 2: around right through the end of the series with many
Speaker 2: more stories to tell, including a farewell trip to the
Speaker 2: Peace Corps. But in real life, she's made the trip
Speaker 2: to hardcore. She's now a top a spicier career, navigating
Speaker 2: the industry of adult entertainment and making headlines along the way.
Speaker 2: And coincidentally, a girl moving in with two guys is
Speaker 2: still a storyline she can act in. So now, as
Speaker 2: we enter the enigma that is season six, we are
Speaker 2: happy to welcome to Pod meets World. Maitland Ward. We
Speaker 2: were just laughing because in your intro and included a
Speaker 2: little line that said that you were. You stuck around
Speaker 2: right through to the end of the series with many
Speaker 2: more stories to tell, including a farewell trip to the
Speaker 2: Peace Corps. But in real life, she's made the trip
Speaker 2: to hardcore. Yeah, we thought we thought you might like that.
Speaker 2: You thought you'd get a kick out of it. So
Speaker 2: we were just laughing.
Speaker 6: About that, that Peace Corps.
Speaker 2: I know what happened. Maybe you have the answer for us.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on before Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: You were in almost two hundred and fifty episodes of
Speaker 2: The Bold and the Beautiful.
Speaker 6: Yes, I had a very like thick soap Upper Fast.
Speaker 3: I guess you got two hundred and fifty episodes. What
Speaker 3: was that three weeks?
Speaker 6: Working on soap is the hardest job and people don't
Speaker 6: like appreciate as much as I would because we would
Speaker 6: do like three shows in two days. Like Yeah, so
Speaker 6: I was on like three years or whatever.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is so many episodes.
Speaker 6: It's so many. And I was in school at the time,
Speaker 6: and I know you guys know about being in school
Speaker 6: and like working at the same time. Although it was
Speaker 6: different from me because I was the only person in
Speaker 6: school except for two year.
Speaker 2: Olds and so were you You were you in high school?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was in high school. Yeah, oh wow, I started
Speaker 6: it when I was like sixteen.
Speaker 1: So, like, was that in La or was that in
Speaker 1: New York?
Speaker 6: That was in La? It was in La.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're originally from Californ yet, But what got you
Speaker 2: into acting? What was your origin story? You know what?
Speaker 6: I got into acting. I always wanted to do it.
Speaker 6: I loved like playing characters and and just you know,
Speaker 6: but I was I wasn't a Hollywood kid at all,
Speaker 6: Like I was. My parents were like, wait till you're
Speaker 6: old enough.
Speaker 3: Wait, you know where you.
Speaker 6: Can make your own decisions and stuff, and and you know,
Speaker 6: they didn't know all about it or anything. So but
Speaker 6: I actually was in Uh. I got my braces off
Speaker 6: when I was sixteen, and I went because I was
Speaker 6: a big soap opera fan anyway at that age.
Speaker 2: Who did you watch soap operas with? Because I have
Speaker 2: memories of watching psyp operas with my mom when I
Speaker 2: was a kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we watched different ones like The Couch Days of
Speaker 6: Our Lives with my mom and uh yeah. So so
Speaker 6: I was like, I want to like try, you know,
Speaker 6: soap acting. So I took an acting class just on
Speaker 6: a whim because I saw a casting director for The
Speaker 6: Bold and Beautiful was going to take you know, teaching
Speaker 6: acting workshop in LA and I was like, I want
Speaker 6: to go this. This is going to be so cool.
Speaker 6: And I thought it was going to be all these
Speaker 6: like hot guys and I was, you know, I was
Speaker 6: going to go in there and it was going to
Speaker 6: be like, that's so heroin coming in there, and it
Speaker 6: was all like disgruntled actors in their thirties and forties
Speaker 6: for me at sixteen, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: but it was good because I got noticed by the
Speaker 6: casting director because I was so odd to be in
Speaker 6: there and and I do soaps and I was good
Speaker 6: at it, and she said, you should audition for this
Speaker 6: role that is coming up on our show. And I
Speaker 6: had actually gotten an agent who had done practically nothing
Speaker 6: for me, so actually this was my second audition ever.
Speaker 6: She sued for yeah, for Bowl and Beautiful, and there
Speaker 6: was multiple auditions and I and then I got it
Speaker 6: and it was like it was a whirlwind because I
Speaker 6: wasn't really expecting to become like maybe I expected to
Speaker 6: get like a commercial or something, but not to be
Speaker 6: on the Time show. All the time, and.
Speaker 2: So what did your parents think then? They hadn't They
Speaker 2: had kind of encouraged you to just wait until maybe
Speaker 2: after high school. Yeah, then you go to this acting
Speaker 2: class and someone says, actually you should audition, and you
Speaker 2: book it. What does your family think at that?
Speaker 6: It was absolutely wild, but I mean they were super
Speaker 6: excited for me. It was just like overnight. I had
Speaker 6: to be at work all the time, right, and you
Speaker 6: guys know, and the soap opera schedule was so grueling.
Speaker 6: But I also was able to go to school part time,
Speaker 6: like I went. I'd work three days a week and
Speaker 6: go to school two days a week. So I was
Speaker 6: like I rolled in and I was like, yeah, I've
Speaker 6: been working on the soap. And all the guys that
Speaker 6: I worked with on the soap who were my boyfriends,
Speaker 6: were like twenty four and twenty eight. And I was
Speaker 6: hash and pummed to my little school plays because I
Speaker 6: still was in the drama department and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I at my professional job and then I'm doing the
Speaker 6: drama plays and everything, and they would come and my
Speaker 6: friends would be like they're in the audience, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: they're my boyfriends.
Speaker 2: Wait the twenty four and twenty eight year old guys
Speaker 2: would come to your high school performance. Yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: they bring their wives.
Speaker 6: They didn't well they didn't have wives at the time,
Speaker 6: but no, not really. But the twenty eight year old
Speaker 6: and I are actually still really good friends to this
Speaker 6: day and people. Yeah, the twenty four year old, he
Speaker 6: was kind of sketchy.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, were you emancipated and coming to set by
Speaker 5: yourself or were one of your parents coming.
Speaker 6: I had a tutor there, and I had an on
Speaker 6: set tutor, but my parents would take me there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: when I was sixteen, and you know, once I got
Speaker 6: to be like seventeen or definitely eighteen, I was. I
Speaker 6: was doing it myself. But I had a great tutor.
Speaker 6: He was amazing. He was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't get emancipated.
Speaker 6: You were okay, and they were really good about it.
Speaker 6: You know. There's so many horror stories about you know, Hollywood,
Speaker 6: and of course like young actors and working on sets
Speaker 6: and long hours and like you know, using them and
Speaker 6: abusing them sort of. But I think because I was
Speaker 6: the only one, like everybody was really productive of me. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: we had to do everything by the book or something's
Speaker 6: going to happen, and they were always watchful over me.
Speaker 2: So that's good. We just entered college in our rewatch
Speaker 2: and Rachel is introduced right away. You, of course, are
Speaker 2: in even the opening credits before we know who your
Speaker 2: character is or anything about you. Do you remember the
Speaker 2: opening credit shoot?
Speaker 6: I remember us filming it on the in the lot
Speaker 6: on the New York Street, and yeah, I totally remember
Speaker 6: filming that. That was a lot of fun. We filmed
Speaker 6: it a little bit after we started filming like this season. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I knew you guys first. It wasn't like I, hey, guys,
Speaker 6: I'm here for the opening credits, right, but kinda but
Speaker 6: but yeah, and I remember I remember dumping the water,
Speaker 6: and I remember just it was a lot of fun,
Speaker 6: and it was just guy looking back. That was such
Speaker 6: like innocent times, sort of like we were all so young.
Speaker 6: And yeah, this was my first, you know sitcom. Well,
Speaker 6: I had done a lot of like guest parts and stuff,
Speaker 6: and this was my first like big, you know, primetime piece,
Speaker 6: and and you guys had already been so established, so
Speaker 6: I was coming in, like, oh my gosh, to this
Speaker 6: family there.
Speaker 3: So do you remember your audition.
Speaker 6: I did not audition for a Boy meets World, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, because we didn't meet. It wasn't like ze.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was Zoe Zoe Zoe.
Speaker 6: And I went in and I was so oppos because
Speaker 6: Selma Blair was against me, like testing opposite of each other.
Speaker 6: But I remember, you know, Michael I went in there
Speaker 6: because he was doing Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane, and
Speaker 6: he was really hard on me on my audition and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, does he not like me?
Speaker 6: Does he hate me? Like he's like giving me all
Speaker 6: these things that you didn't do this or I do this,
Speaker 6: But at the end he's like, Okay, i'll see you
Speaker 6: the next day. You got to do this good. You
Speaker 6: got to get this perfect of the Zoe audition. And
Speaker 6: I remember I went in and I nailed it. I
Speaker 6: was so proud of that audition. I was like, I
Speaker 6: did it and Michael was like, you did perfect, and
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm gonna get this role.
Speaker 3: I know it.
Speaker 6: And then they're like, no, we chose Selma as You're
Speaker 6: She was more like, I don't know, dark and brooding,
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, goofy and light. But
Speaker 6: then Michael was like, okay, you're gonna be on boy,
Speaker 6: I'm giving you a holding deal at Disney and so
Speaker 6: because they had wanted to do something with Jack and
Speaker 6: Eric of a girl in the show. So so then
Speaker 6: he said, yeah, you're right, that's great.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good feeling. So at least you don't
Speaker 2: you don't book the role you are sitting there looking for,
Speaker 2: and then another opportunity that you didn't even know existed.
Speaker 5: I know, I was created for you. Like so essentially
Speaker 5: nobody else ever auditioned for Rachel.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So so that was really special. And I actually
Speaker 6: had the role for a long time before I even
Speaker 6: went to set because pilot that was like in March
Speaker 6: or something that I got the holding deal and then we.
Speaker 2: Would have started the season yeah, in like Augusta.
Speaker 6: So I was like just in limbo waiting.
Speaker 2: So then, what did Michael or whoever who told you
Speaker 2: what the character of Rachel Maguire was going to be?
Speaker 2: What were you told Michael?
Speaker 6: I had meetings with Michael beforehand, and basically I was
Speaker 6: told that I was like the comic relief girlfriend kind
Speaker 6: of character of Jack and Eric because they needed some
Speaker 6: kind of energy in that apartment that like they wanted
Speaker 6: to have a girl in there to kind of go
Speaker 6: back and forth. I think the character was sort of
Speaker 6: developed along the way, but they definitely wanted that threes
Speaker 6: Company type.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, that's exactly yes, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Watching the season start, it was like, that's the first
Speaker 5: reference out of my mouth. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: it's totally a Three's Company show.
Speaker 6: Suddenly, Yeah, it absolutely was, and and Three's Company was
Speaker 6: one of my favorite shows watching reruns growing up, so
Speaker 6: I was like, this is really fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Had you ever seen an episode of Boy Meets World before?
Speaker 6: Yes, I had seen it, and I had seen earlier
Speaker 6: episodes of Boy Meets World. Okay, so I definitely knew
Speaker 6: about it, and I knew the fan base and stuff,
Speaker 6: although I think none of us actually knew the fan
Speaker 6: base back now, I know, like, what was it like
Speaker 6: being on an iconic show? And I don't remember any
Speaker 6: of you like talking about it like it was an
Speaker 6: iconic show. We were just working.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, If anything, we all very much felt
Speaker 2: like we didn't know. We see. We would to hear
Speaker 2: of ratings here and there, but it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: a show we were where people were watching. It kind
Speaker 2: of felt like we went to work every week and
Speaker 2: it aired, but like was anybody watching it?
Speaker 6: Who knows exactly? And you'd only know if you like
Speaker 6: got fan mail or like yeah, you didn't had the
Speaker 6: internet or any of you know, Meetia or anything.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you met Will and Matt?
Speaker 2: Because so much of at least, you know, we're three
Speaker 2: episodes into the season, your storyline is exclusively with Will
Speaker 2: and Matt. So do you remember, like the first time
Speaker 2: you met them? I do?
Speaker 6: I remember? Will was hilarious. You'd always have me do
Speaker 6: the Pillsbury dough boy thing to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wait, do it?
Speaker 2: Do it now? Or she pokes you in the belly
Speaker 2: and you do what?
Speaker 6: That was bumming right off the bat, and so I
Speaker 6: had I remember you guys hazed me the first time. Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: do you remember the first you said that the new
Speaker 6: person came on the show, you had to sing for
Speaker 6: the studio audience?
Speaker 2: Yeah, serious, you have to do this, that's so good.
Speaker 2: What did he What did you sing?
Speaker 6: I don't remember what the song was, and I think
Speaker 6: it was he had it all on like a paper
Speaker 6: and like he was like, okay, you love to do this,
Speaker 6: you know, Okay, you got to do this when did
Speaker 6: you realize it was fake and they went out?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's still I feel like we still do
Speaker 5: a version of that. We'll be like, and you got
Speaker 5: you got your monologue?
Speaker 3: Ready?
Speaker 2: You did you practice that?
Speaker 6: Always do?
Speaker 5: It's like when your backstage, you're like, and you got
Speaker 5: your monologue and you watch people just like lose it,
Speaker 5: and you're like, you're supposed to say you got your whole?
Speaker 2: Then you wonder why we all have anxiety dreams around acting,
Speaker 2: because we're constantly telling each other.
Speaker 4: We should I told you that was the first thing
Speaker 4: Rusty said to me and we were walking up for
Speaker 4: the audience my very first night. He said, are you nervous?
Speaker 4: So I said yeah, I said you should be your shit?
Speaker 6: Like, oh god, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that I love that. Your first the first
Speaker 2: week on the show, we tell you have to sing
Speaker 2: a song on the show. Okay. So what was it
Speaker 2: like being in this rather awkward love triangle with the guys.
Speaker 2: There have been a couple of times in these first
Speaker 2: few episodes where we have cringed a little because your character.
Speaker 2: So far, we don't know much about you other than
Speaker 2: that you have been broken up with by a guy,
Speaker 2: and now you're kind of just a prop of temptation
Speaker 2: for the two of them in this.
Speaker 6: It's my term now, yes, yes, And so what did
Speaker 6: what did it feel like for you?
Speaker 2: Were you did you? Did you like, yeah, did you
Speaker 2: have any thoughts of that? Like am I ever going
Speaker 2: to get to do more than this? Or were you
Speaker 2: just having fun being there?
Speaker 6: You know what? I did it, But at the time
Speaker 6: I had a very different mindset than looking back on
Speaker 6: it now, because looking back I see it too. I
Speaker 6: see I was in Lundray like all the time.
Speaker 2: I was short.
Speaker 3: It was always it's a short robes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's totally straight from Three's Company, by the way.
Speaker 3: Literally, it's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it was. And I look back and I say, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, was it people trying to say make her
Speaker 6: sexy and make her be this thing? But I think
Speaker 6: it was such a mindset at the time that it
Speaker 6: was just was ingrained in all of us and Graden's
Speaker 6: in society. It wasn't like we didn't even think about it.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't like thinking about like at the time,
Speaker 6: like oh I I wish I could do more than
Speaker 6: being sexy or being like this prop of seduction or whatever,
Speaker 6: but I didn't like I was just thinking, am I
Speaker 6: sexy enough? Am I doing good enough to people like enough?
Speaker 6: So that was my mindset, and I think that was
Speaker 6: a mindset of a lot of people back then, and
Speaker 6: also especially a lot of women in Hollywood. That was
Speaker 6: really difficult time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was also probably not super east. Joining a
Speaker 2: show in its sixth season had I know, looking together
Speaker 2: for a long time, you feel like a new kid
Speaker 2: on campus. Do you remember what that transition was like
Speaker 2: for you? Do you remember how you felt on day one?
Speaker 6: I remember, yes, I was nervous coming into like such
Speaker 6: a well oiled machine, like you guys have been doing
Speaker 6: this for so long and you were all friends and
Speaker 6: everybody was really like a tight knit family. But you
Speaker 6: guys are really welcoming to me. When I came in.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like I was rejected or anything. You probably like,
Speaker 6: who is this new person like coming into the storyline.
Speaker 6: But I do remember the nerves were gone pretty quick,
Speaker 6: and some of that was from the hazing it was,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it was. It was nice because it was
Speaker 6: well oiled too, because you guys had it all down
Speaker 6: and sometimes you know, new shows and stuff for americ
Speaker 6: because they're doing and they don't know if you're going
Speaker 6: to be picked up. You don't know if it's going
Speaker 6: to be a success. So I think I think it
Speaker 6: was good that way. And you know, I'm glad I
Speaker 6: didn't know how I iconic it was going to be
Speaker 6: back then, because I would.
Speaker 2: Have had more nerves. Yes, So do you have any
Speaker 2: favorite behind the scenes stories or memories from that first scene?
Speaker 6: I remember when the bear came on set.
Speaker 2: Please tell us about the bear?
Speaker 6: And yeah, the bear, like that was first of all?
Speaker 6: That was That is one of my favorite episodes that
Speaker 6: we did because it was like all of us together
Speaker 6: and I wasn't secluded from past. It was like we
Speaker 6: were all friends together.
Speaker 4: So we're now three episodes in. Has Rachel met the
Speaker 4: rest of the cast? No? No, but I'm saying three
Speaker 4: episodes in, we haven't even Rachel hasn't met anybody else.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying, I beat other people.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We're only three episodes in, so we
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to that episode.
Speaker 5: But yeah, because Eric mentions Rachel to his parents yea,
Speaker 5: and the like introductions she's had at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this Rachel girl at my house when going.
Speaker 4: To introduce the character like to everybody, or she's just
Speaker 4: going to seamlessly.
Speaker 6: At Christmas. I think, you know when the baby when
Speaker 6: the baby like was isn't.
Speaker 2: The baby at the end of the season though, Oh god,
Speaker 2: the baby because she's.
Speaker 6: Not because okay, yeah, that was when I was like
Speaker 6: cheating and not cheating, but I was going behind you know,
Speaker 6: Will's back.
Speaker 4: With Oh that's right when you picked Matt Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah remember that?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well when were you told about Maitland joining the show?
Speaker 2: When were you told that was going to be your
Speaker 2: storyline for the sixth season episode three?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: So really we didn't know, we were we were Yeah,
Speaker 4: we weren't told. It was like, hey, we're bringing somebody
Speaker 4: on that you and mad are going to You're going
Speaker 4: to live with a girl and she's coming on. We
Speaker 4: already cast her, like okay, and so the morning of
Speaker 4: the table, like when we got the script essentially like
Speaker 4: we were never we were never told this stuff. We
Speaker 4: were never hey, Matt Lawrence is coming on the show,
Speaker 4: or hey we're getting rid of Lily or we're getting
Speaker 4: rid of Tony Quinn. We would just show up and
Speaker 4: somebody was at it, or somebody was dropped. So we
Speaker 4: were never told.
Speaker 3: Any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, so day one you were, you were told. So
Speaker 2: truly Mayland knew about her way more.
Speaker 3: Than any of us.
Speaker 1: She said she got it in March. March finished in March, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 5: So Michael told us too, and we just don't remember,
Speaker 5: Like that's possible because if.
Speaker 1: You was like, I don't, I.
Speaker 6: Don't think Ny just mentioned it and said, hey, we're
Speaker 6: going to do this. We're gonna I don't think they
Speaker 6: have lands in March.
Speaker 4: So that's the thing is is the business at the
Speaker 4: time especially was so strange that you never knew what
Speaker 4: was going to happen. Hey, we can't afford that new
Speaker 4: character you wanted to bring on, or this was going
Speaker 4: to happen, or that was going to I remember, I
Speaker 4: just kept his mind. Joe.
Speaker 5: I remember there Zoe's shooting next to us. Jeff McCracken
Speaker 5: was directing multiple episodes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was on that show. You were Yeah,
Speaker 4: I went over and did Zoe, Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane.
Speaker 4: So they were like, yeah, they were, they were doing
Speaker 4: that whole thinges. Yeah, so it was but it was yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the whole thing was that we were. You know,
Speaker 4: it's the television, especially in the nineties, was so in
Speaker 4: flux that it was we never knew one day to another.
Speaker 4: So part of me thinks it was just Michael just
Speaker 4: not telling us because he never knew what was going
Speaker 4: to happen. And I mean, it could be, Hey, I
Speaker 4: don't want to tell you that something's going to happen,
Speaker 4: and that it's not Matt Lawrence is going to join.
Speaker 4: Well now we don't have the money for Mat Lawrence,
Speaker 4: so Matt's not going to join, or Lily's got you
Speaker 4: just never knew. I'd like to think that's what it was.
Speaker 4: But I also think Michael is such a scatterbrain with
Speaker 4: his stories that it was just kind of like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I told you, and it was like, no, you actually didn't,
Speaker 4: and it's and in his mind he did it was
Speaker 4: it wasn't malicious.
Speaker 1: It was just like he's.
Speaker 4: Got ten thousand things going and now, no, we talked
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: We had old.
Speaker 4: Conversation like, no, you never actually brought up the fact
Speaker 4: that that was happening at all. So I think there
Speaker 4: was just so much going on that we were never told.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that when.
Speaker 4: Everyone else found out was when we found out.
Speaker 2: So trying to establish a little bit of a timeline.
Speaker 2: So you do you start Bold and the Beautiful at sixteen.
Speaker 2: You're on that, you say, for like about three years,
Speaker 2: so maybe you wrap that up around nineteen. Yes, how
Speaker 2: old were you at the time that then you started
Speaker 2: Boy Meets World?
Speaker 6: Was I twenty twenty to twenty one? I forget, like,
Speaker 6: oh no, i'd probably just been twenty one, because uh,
Speaker 6: my birthday is February and it was.
Speaker 3: Much that I got out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, so twenty one, so you've basically gone
Speaker 2: from like a Bold and the Beautiful ending you do
Speaker 2: a guest spot on Home Improvement, and then you book
Speaker 2: Boy Meets World.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I did a couple other like independent films and
Speaker 6: stuff at the time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, worked, it worked in between four Yeah.
Speaker 6: Back and forth, and I think there was like a
Speaker 6: pilot or something that I didn't go okay, I think
Speaker 6: or was that afterwards? But yeah, so it was pretty quick.
Speaker 6: It was pretty quick that.
Speaker 2: I got Yeah, it's pretty fast. And obviously being a
Speaker 2: regular on a TV show is like a massive deal.
Speaker 2: How is your family feeling at this point? Is everyone
Speaker 2: still super supportive? Really excited for you, Like, what's what
Speaker 2: change in your family? Superscript.
Speaker 6: Grandmother loved Boy Meets World because she thought it was
Speaker 6: just like the most wholesome show. It was really cute.
Speaker 2: Was everyone tuning in every week to aast? You?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely they were watching every week.
Speaker 2: Do you have any episodes that stick out as being
Speaker 2: a favorite. You were about to tell us the bear story.
Speaker 2: I want to hear your memories about the bear.
Speaker 1: Danielle did not remember the bear, by the way.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember the bear.
Speaker 1: Remember there was a bear there there was honey on
Speaker 1: your head?
Speaker 2: I know I didn't. Somebody said that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I do kind of remember it being annoying to have
Speaker 2: honey all over my head.
Speaker 4: Can you can you imagine the life you have to
Speaker 4: lead to vaguely remember being covered in honey in front
Speaker 4: of a bear.
Speaker 2: It was all a dream. Please tell me what your
Speaker 2: memories are of the bear.
Speaker 6: I remember because I the prank episode. So they were
Speaker 6: so bad to meet Corey and Sean. You guys, you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: we're going to steal your parking spot. You don't need it.
Speaker 6: I don't care that you have a special job. We
Speaker 6: want to get closer to this wow, and then you're like,
Speaker 6: you put my car in my room and like all
Speaker 6: this stuff. So I guess I did to get back
Speaker 6: at you, guys. I somehow found a bear and tried
Speaker 6: to have you murdered.
Speaker 2: This must be the prank episode, right.
Speaker 3: Episodes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the war episode of War. Yeah episode.
Speaker 2: So this comes up a lot in our emails. We
Speaker 2: get emailed about the prank War episode a lot, and
Speaker 2: people think it is crazy, like the both and it
Speaker 2: gets mentioned just full disclosure. It gets mentioned as being
Speaker 2: a jump the shark moment that like this will We're so.
Speaker 4: Over the by this point is in the rear view
Speaker 4: by this point, my god, wait is this.
Speaker 2: At the end of season six?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, plays with girls of season seven.
Speaker 2: How does it start? Why? Why is there a prank?
Speaker 2: Why are we going after each other?
Speaker 6: They starting a parking spot.
Speaker 2: Oh, it starts over a parking spot.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, And then they put my car in my
Speaker 6: room somehow.
Speaker 4: In like take it apart and put it together, and
Speaker 4: then it becomes a bigger storyline about the old cast
Speaker 4: three of you and newcast and Eric is in the
Speaker 4: middle of both stories.
Speaker 6: So it was like, yeah, it was kind of like
Speaker 6: a metaphor, a giant metaphor for like real life and
Speaker 6: also the you know the show. But so yeah, so
Speaker 6: it goes back and forth for a while and then
Speaker 6: they I get the bear and I, well, you were like,
Speaker 6: do you have your period? I was, And that's when
Speaker 6: I was composing in those nudy things because I was
Speaker 6: going to do the nudy photos for for the student union,
Speaker 6: because that was how it shamed me. Was you know,
Speaker 6: revenge ports.
Speaker 4: It's awful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, and you were like do you have
Speaker 6: your career? And I'm like what And he's like, the
Speaker 6: bear might eat you. Yeah, I mean they're attracted to us,
Speaker 6: very concerned about all of the women. They were good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn right.
Speaker 4: That well, I remember I think the bear trainer asked
Speaker 4: like are any of the women menstruating?
Speaker 1: Is there anything? Because it's like it's a fucking bear.
Speaker 4: It was pretty Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 6: But then yeah, and then the guys they steal my
Speaker 6: nuty pictures that I had made for Jack and put
Speaker 6: them all up in the student union.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, which is just yeah, that talk about
Speaker 4: not aging, well that shouldn't have aged. Then that was
Speaker 4: like stealing photos, like kind of sensual photos that a
Speaker 4: girl sent her her man.
Speaker 1: And again, this wasn't Internet days.
Speaker 4: This wasn't throwing it out to the world, or this
Speaker 4: wasn't even like somebody hacked me or something.
Speaker 2: The guys legitimately had to like break.
Speaker 4: Into the their no longer apartment and steal photos that.
Speaker 2: Has that? Has that always been illegal or was it?
Speaker 2: Is it only illegal in like the more recent.
Speaker 6: Well probably back then, but just you know, just creepy.
Speaker 6: You guys were going through my underwear to war.
Speaker 2: Remember, Oh my gosh, we don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It's there's gonna be a lot in that episode. That's
Speaker 1: going to be rough, is what I remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, just enjoy every brief moment we have before
Speaker 2: we get there.
Speaker 6: It was a really great episode that we were all
Speaker 6: and it was a two parts I mean that's where
Speaker 6: you were plays with squirrels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was big. It was big in the
Speaker 1: guys of the world.
Speaker 4: That's because then the the next episode is you cut
Speaker 4: to the fantasy of it being ten years later, and
Speaker 4: this is where we meet your daughter Beverly Glen and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, and then plays with squirrels
Speaker 4: comes in. Matt is a captain of industry.
Speaker 6: I remember us all hugging on the floor like because
Speaker 6: remember we all to get in the pile, and it was.
Speaker 4: Like that's when Phoene breaks the desk.
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 2: There are so many things you guys are mentioning that
Speaker 2: I have, Like I remember obviously Will being plays with squirrels.
Speaker 2: I remember the Beverly Glenn aspect of it. I have
Speaker 2: no memory of anything related to the prank war. I
Speaker 2: don't remember the bear. I vaguely remember the honey on
Speaker 2: my head because I remember it being like this is
Speaker 2: really hard to get out of my hair in the shower.
Speaker 2: I remember that. And then obviously I remember the desk falling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I can't believe all these episodes are somehow interconnected episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so another episode we haven't gotten to, but I was
Speaker 2: curious about what your memories are of it. What are
Speaker 2: your memories of that very final episode of Boy Meets
Speaker 2: World where we all had to say goodbye.
Speaker 6: I remember going into the table read and everyone was
Speaker 6: in tears like they were just everybody was really emotional
Speaker 6: and uh, and it was it was I didn't know
Speaker 6: how we would get through the week actually, and I
Speaker 6: was a newer person, but still I was all emotional
Speaker 6: about it, and it was a you know, it was
Speaker 6: a big thing. It was, and for you guys, it
Speaker 6: was like graduation day or thing, really big. And but
Speaker 6: I remember you guys watching on the set the last
Speaker 6: scene in the classroom, all four of you, Yeah, with
Speaker 6: mister Peenie, and that was really Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: That was but it was it was a difficult.
Speaker 4: We all got through it, though, we all we did barely,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that was tough.
Speaker 2: So since then, you have written a memoir, My Escape
Speaker 2: from Hollywood, and one of the things you mentioned in
Speaker 2: it I did want to bring up is that you
Speaker 2: tried on your wardrobe in front of the writers, which.
Speaker 6: You guys didn't know that. No, well you wouldn't really
Speaker 6: know that.
Speaker 2: Yes, has none of none of us had to do that.
Speaker 3: They did take photos of us.
Speaker 2: I remember absolutely, They would take polaroids and then those
Speaker 2: polaroids got set.
Speaker 6: They had to Well, it was a big deal. And
Speaker 6: I've actually spoken with Michael at length about this and
Speaker 6: better understanding. We're in a really good place that about that.
Speaker 6: But but they're Disney itself as a whole had you know,
Speaker 6: a bunch of ideas and stuff of like how characters
Speaker 6: should be and and how my character should be. And
Speaker 6: I guess people wanted to put me in really like
Speaker 6: skimpy lingerie.
Speaker 2: Who wanted you to be in really skim.
Speaker 6: I'm not exactly sure. I know le Yang like was
Speaker 6: told that she know or she came was.
Speaker 2: Our wardrobe style, Yes, the costume designer.
Speaker 6: You got to wear these little ones, these little it
Speaker 6: was like slinky. It was like I couldn't believe that
Speaker 6: I was going to wear this on the show. And
Speaker 6: I guess Michael was like, no, she can't wear that,
Speaker 6: she can't wear that. So basically I had a series
Speaker 6: of wardrobe presentations different lingerie for everyone. It was like
Speaker 6: the whole team was up there.
Speaker 2: I mean like everyone like writers and producers, writers.
Speaker 6: Producers, writers, writers, writers, Yeah, and be like, come on,
Speaker 6: we're going to go up to the office.
Speaker 2: Were there any women writers?
Speaker 6: I guess yeah, there were, there were you that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so it was like all of them, but there was.
Speaker 6: It was mostly men, it was back then, but still
Speaker 6: it was like and yeah, I mean so I would
Speaker 6: go and just try on different pieces of lingerie for
Speaker 6: them to see what was going to be acceptable. What
Speaker 6: was good? This is especially for the one where I
Speaker 6: wore the you know, the dishwashing episode where I was like,
Speaker 6: scrub a ub dub that stuff with.
Speaker 3: No idea what you're talking about?
Speaker 6: You guys, Yeah, I like to teach you a lesson.
Speaker 6: I had to get in my lingerie and say because
Speaker 6: Danielle and Trina there were jealous.
Speaker 2: Wait, I think I just didn't say like post Trina
Speaker 2: just posted the edit. Trina just posted the edit. Yes,
Speaker 2: got it. I just saw that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys really, Oh the boys are so cute.
Speaker 6: Don't worry if they go through your stuff and look
Speaker 6: at your underwear and read your tiring And I was
Speaker 6: like they these people need to be taught a lesson.
Speaker 6: So I got in my lingerie and danced around and
Speaker 6: did the dishes and Ben was like, screw up it
Speaker 6: up like.
Speaker 2: And then we get mad at them, and the girls.
Speaker 6: Were like, oh, we see what's wrong now you can't
Speaker 6: you know? I get your point.
Speaker 2: Okay, So for that episode, in order to figure out
Speaker 2: what you were going to wear, you were you had
Speaker 2: so at least for that episode, So it wasn't like
Speaker 2: the several There were several episodes.
Speaker 6: Where this was a question. But I just remember that
Speaker 6: one was a repeated visit to the office. Okay, and finally,
Speaker 6: I mean the outfit. It was respectable that you know,
Speaker 6: but because originally some of the outfits Julie had were
Speaker 6: like right and like little pieces. It was I don't
Speaker 6: know how Disney would have allowed this to.
Speaker 2: It never would have happened. It never would have been
Speaker 2: on Friday night at eight thirty that you were going
Speaker 2: to wear anything that revealing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 4: Want to know why all of a sudden, polaroids were
Speaker 4: no longer acceptable.
Speaker 6: I had to be seen, They had to see how
Speaker 6: when I moved it would like, you know, show too much.
Speaker 2: And then you weren't even changing in a bathroom. You
Speaker 2: wrote that you were changing like behind a thin curtain
Speaker 2: where they could then see your silhouette as you changed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like because there wasn't any like real
Speaker 6: bathroom area, it was just the wardrobe kind of thing.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy. But again
Speaker 6: back then I wasn't thinking, oh my god, I'm trying
Speaker 6: on laundry. I was like, am I do I look
Speaker 6: good enough? In this? Am I going to be and
Speaker 6: enough for this? Are they gonna think enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you feel like your job is on
Speaker 2: the line. There's an entire storyline about whether about you
Speaker 2: needing to hit the right chord of turning on the
Speaker 2: men in the scene and yet also being covered up
Speaker 2: enough that Friday night at eight thirty, families watching could
Speaker 2: still see you in something that would be considered an outfit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: God, it's a weird balance that should never have occurred.
Speaker 5: And the only way to determine that balance is for
Speaker 5: all the writers to go together to see in person
Speaker 5: make it every time. Yeah, you can't just look at poloons.
Speaker 5: We've got to get the whole team up there.
Speaker 6: Like I was, people were trying to pressure me to
Speaker 6: like do things to keep my job or anything like that.
Speaker 6: It wasn't that, it was more like just the mindset
Speaker 6: of that time. Sure, yeah, it just we just thought
Speaker 6: everything was okay, you know then, and it wasn't even
Speaker 6: like thought of.
Speaker 2: And so when you talk to Michael, because you said
Speaker 2: you talked to Michael and you guys are in a
Speaker 2: really good place with it, what did Michael say about it?
Speaker 6: Well, he's he says that he actually fought to have
Speaker 6: more clothes on me because they brought stuff to him
Speaker 6: that was like.
Speaker 2: Like the stuff you're saying, Julie Petty, And I'm.
Speaker 6: Sure Disney was like, oh, we want this, you know,
Speaker 6: stuff to be like we wanted sexy or like certain
Speaker 6: people did. I don't have the names of the people
Speaker 6: that said here, we need to have this this certain
Speaker 6: outfit like this, but yeah, I think there was like
Speaker 6: three wardrobe tests for this because it kept like we
Speaker 6: kept needing more coverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I don't I don't know that
Speaker 2: Disney's really known as being like the sexy company.
Speaker 5: So they were the network was really fighting to be
Speaker 5: r rated on Friday nights, and Michael likely stepped in that.
Speaker 3: He was really between the mouse and you. It was
Speaker 3: only Michael trying to throw himself on the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you retire from mainstream Hollywood in around
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, is that right?
Speaker 6: Ah? Yes, I stepped away because I was like, I
Speaker 6: was just tired of being type cast in you know,
Speaker 6: the roles of when I was younger, and I did
Speaker 6: get a lot early on, and then you know, like
Speaker 6: after I did We's World, I was in White Chicks,
Speaker 6: which is a whole other cult kind of phenomenon, which
Speaker 6: yes me. So after that and they got married, and
Speaker 6: I wanted to just step away and reevaluate who I
Speaker 6: was and who I was as a performer and a
Speaker 6: person and an actress and what I want.
Speaker 2: What kind of roles did you feel like you were
Speaker 2: getting type cast into?
Speaker 6: They just wanted to grow me up into being like
Speaker 6: the soccer mom, or like to be like the girl
Speaker 6: next door. I know it's like or just I was
Speaker 6: only allowed to play like a certain type of you know,
Speaker 6: family comedy type of situation, or they'd only see me
Speaker 6: as that, especially as time went on and I didn't
Speaker 6: I couldn't play anything really like dramatic, or I couldn't
Speaker 6: play things like it. Definitely couldn't play anything really provocative
Speaker 6: or anything. I mean, yeah, cute, see sexy, like yes,
Speaker 6: but not like like really deep storylines or anything like that.
Speaker 6: And also I wanted to create like my own stuff too,
Speaker 6: So I went away. We moved to New York actually
Speaker 6: shortly after got married. I was able to really explore
Speaker 6: myself there and I got into writing, and I started
Speaker 6: getting into erotic writing. And then eventually I came back
Speaker 6: and went to UCLA for a couple of years for screenwriting,
Speaker 6: and so I really felt like that was going to
Speaker 6: be the thing that I was going to do. I
Speaker 6: was going to like write a film and produce it
Speaker 6: or something, sell my scripts or whatever. But then Girl
Speaker 6: Meets World came around, and then all of the attention
Speaker 6: went on that, and it was like all of the
Speaker 6: attention and you guys know that. And then but that
Speaker 6: really allowed me to you know, show my base who
Speaker 6: I was, then to have fun with them on my terms,
Speaker 6: and to do things that I wanted to do. And
Speaker 6: that's where I really like built my whole brand and
Speaker 6: base from that attention from social media and everything.
Speaker 2: Because okay, so when did you start doing cosplay? Because
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember you getting you getting a.
Speaker 3: Gut right around Girls World?
Speaker 2: When did you start doing that?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 2: Because you you got you made quite a name for
Speaker 2: yourself when you started doing that. You were doing cosplays
Speaker 2: either Supergirl or Princess Leah, right, I was doing all.
Speaker 6: Yeah. The first one that I did was Slave Lea,
Speaker 6: which is the you know job of the Hut where
Speaker 6: she was hl bikini, Yes, gold bikini, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I did that and it got a ton of
Speaker 6: attention and it's funny because at first I always loved
Speaker 6: dressing up doing comic con kind of stuff. I loved
Speaker 6: comic book stuff, and so I just did it on
Speaker 6: you know, women edited. A premiere photographer said to me,
Speaker 6: you know me, the fourth is coming up. Why don't
Speaker 6: you dress up as slave Lea. I have like an
Speaker 6: authentic costume, because you had a lot of authentic costumes.
Speaker 6: And so I said, okay, yeah, that'd be fun to
Speaker 6: do on social media or on Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 2: And you had never done cosplay before.
Speaker 6: I had done it, but not like it was only
Speaker 6: for fun, Like I didn't think I could have any
Speaker 6: sort of you know, career at it or anything.
Speaker 2: And then a photographer at a premiere mentions to you,
Speaker 2: I have a costume. You should wear it for me
Speaker 2: the fourth okay.
Speaker 6: And so and this was yeah, so I So I
Speaker 6: did it just you know, and we released the pictures
Speaker 6: and everything just to the press, you know, showing you know,
Speaker 6: and all my Instagram and everything, and it went crazy.
Speaker 6: People just went like nuts over these costume photos. And
Speaker 6: then that like branched out into other things and I
Speaker 6: did so many costumes and cosplay and I had so
Speaker 6: much fun with that and I was like, wow, I
Speaker 6: can really like do well with this something that I
Speaker 6: just thought was just something fun that I did on the.
Speaker 2: Side or.
Speaker 6: And so that was really me starting to build my
Speaker 6: brand and my name and doing what, like what I
Speaker 6: want the kind of stuff that I wanted to do. Okay,
Speaker 6: and then it evolved from there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you start doing cosplay, You decide to start
Speaker 2: doing cosplay around the time that Girl Meets World comes out.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of attention on Girl Meets World. You
Speaker 2: see an opportunity to use that attention to do these
Speaker 2: photos and to start making a name and a brand
Speaker 2: for yourself off of that kind of that wave of
Speaker 2: I don't know, relevancy I guess with it being in
Speaker 2: the news again. So then what is the transition from
Speaker 2: there into becoming a high profile performer in the adult
Speaker 2: entertainment industry.
Speaker 6: Oh it was a long It was a long spam.
Speaker 6: First of all, I did all of my cosplay and everything,
Speaker 6: and I made, you know, a good money and brand
Speaker 6: at that. But I was like thinking, I want to
Speaker 6: explore myself. I want to do more I want and
Speaker 6: I had done all this erotic writing and scripts, so
Speaker 6: I was like, well, maybe I can do like, you know,
Speaker 6: an erotic script where I can kind of you know,
Speaker 6: I could play with that. But honestly, I kept getting
Speaker 6: kicked off of social media for like two sexier photos.
Speaker 6: That's a big issue. Like I had been doing this
Speaker 6: for like I guess it had been like a year,
Speaker 6: two three, No, it's been a little while. I did
Speaker 6: this for quite a while, I'd say like four years
Speaker 6: or so, okay, or I even like thought about selling
Speaker 6: like anything like sexual or anything. But I kept getting
Speaker 6: kicked off for like sexy photos. But they weren't even
Speaker 6: like nudes. They were just like sexy. You could see
Speaker 6: a nipple like through the you know the why they
Speaker 6: were Instagram would just kick you off. So I was like,
Speaker 6: this is making me mad. And my fans were like, well,
Speaker 6: why don't you sell content? And I didn't know what
Speaker 6: that was content? What does that mean? They go go
Speaker 6: on and like sell your pictures and stuff. And I
Speaker 6: was like people would want to see like sexy cosplay photos,
Speaker 6: like they'd buy them actually, And so I just said, oh,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm going to start a Patreon page
Speaker 6: and I want to say, you know, I'll have kind
Speaker 6: of sexy maybe Playboy esque type photos because I play
Speaker 6: with that and I was interested in that, and so
Speaker 6: I just kind of put it up one night and
Speaker 6: I you know, didn't tell anybody about it. And the
Speaker 6: next morning I was like, I had twenty subscribers, and
Speaker 6: I was like, I didn't even mention it. So I
Speaker 6: mentioned it on my social media and by the end
Speaker 6: of the week, I was the number one adult creator
Speaker 6: on Patreon, and I was it was making loads of mine.
Speaker 6: I had loads of fans on there, and I was like,
Speaker 6: what on earth. I could not believe that all of
Speaker 6: like my stuff on social media and all of my
Speaker 6: fan base that I had accumulated there was like coming
Speaker 6: along to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something you had been giving away for free. Someone
Speaker 2: was like, you should be charging us for.
Speaker 3: This, knowing is it?
Speaker 4: I'm curious, is it? Were these just photos at the time?
Speaker 4: How does it start on Patreon? Are they just photos?
Speaker 1: Videos or just photographic?
Speaker 6: So, like I was going to go into like I
Speaker 6: had never done fully like nude stuff, so this was
Speaker 6: going to be a new thing. It was going to
Speaker 6: take like you know, sexy cosplay photos. At first, yeah,
Speaker 6: video or something, But then I was like, oh, I
Speaker 6: just want I want to try this maybe I could
Speaker 6: do like a little girl's slumber party setup I could
Speaker 6: do and it just kind of evolved from there. And
Speaker 6: it was funny because I did a setup where I
Speaker 6: had it was International Kiss a Ginger Day and that
Speaker 6: is day, and it actually just passed and I don't
Speaker 6: think I fully recognized it in the most appropriate way.
Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't recognize it at all this so
Speaker 6: I really should. But so a friend of mine knew
Speaker 6: like a lesbian porn star, this redhead who would do
Speaker 6: the shoot with me where you just kissed lah lah.
Speaker 6: It was it was well, it got more sexy than that,
Speaker 6: I mean in our shots and everything, and it just
Speaker 6: kind of evolved. And she said to me, she's a
Speaker 6: very cute girl. She's like, you're going to do something
Speaker 6: in the adult business. I know that. And I said,
Speaker 6: what she says, you're just not nervous at anything. I
Speaker 6: swear you're going to do something. And I thought, I
Speaker 6: kind of like, now, these were just sexy photos. It
Speaker 6: was nothing like, you know, like that. But as she
Speaker 6: was right, like, I had just evolved from there and
Speaker 6: I just found that I not only loved like sexual
Speaker 6: performing and just this kind of eroticism and ex just
Speaker 6: I just really did enjoyed it and it was weird
Speaker 6: because I just fell natural to it. And I've actually
Speaker 6: done way more deep acting scripts now than I did
Speaker 6: in Hollywood, so that I do. I have like three
Speaker 6: page monologues in sometimes.
Speaker 2: Do you still do you write them?
Speaker 6: I work with actually a female director. I do write
Speaker 6: some of them, yes, And I'm able to create some
Speaker 6: of my ow stuff. I'm actually working on something right
Speaker 6: now that I'm creating and written a script for. I
Speaker 6: work with a female director who is like the numb
Speaker 6: top female director in the adult space, and she wins,
Speaker 6: you know, all the awards and everything. And by happenstance,
Speaker 6: I happened to meet her and we came together on
Speaker 6: doing a film, and it was because just randomly she
Speaker 6: was trying to get a film together, because she had
Speaker 6: the same vision as me, to bring together like really
Speaker 6: great acting and directing and hot sex and to make
Speaker 6: real films out of this, because I think people get
Speaker 6: the idea, oh porn, I don't make like silly stuff
Speaker 6: like sure with it, but these are like serious films
Speaker 6: and that would take a lot of time and care
Speaker 6: to put together. And so had the same vision as me. Well,
Speaker 6: she was trying to get this film together and she ended,
Speaker 6: it's hard to find really like good actors, and in
Speaker 6: porn there are there, there are good actors in it,
Speaker 6: but they're you know, a lot of them. And she
Speaker 6: lost one of her leads for this movie that she
Speaker 6: was in and somebody said, get Maitland. She's like exploding
Speaker 6: in her own her adult space, and she didn't even
Speaker 6: quite know of us, but then she did because she
Speaker 6: did watch Points World, like growing up and stuff. But
Speaker 6: so all of a sudden, like we were together making
Speaker 6: this this lengthy film together, and that's what really exploded
Speaker 6: on the Internet, and that's when everybody saw the news
Speaker 6: that Rachel does porn. Bernie Sanders heart attack that day
Speaker 6: with the Google searches. Yeah so, but it's crazy because
Speaker 6: people like, oh, you know a lot of people do
Speaker 6: it for like a sex tape or they try to
Speaker 6: get attention off of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was five years ago that I did that.
Speaker 6: So it's been a lucrative, exciting, just you know, great
Speaker 6: time for I mean, I've really been able to build
Speaker 6: my brand in my name and like just do so
Speaker 6: much of what I want and have so much success
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 2: Are you the first person to make the jump from
Speaker 2: like mainstream acting into the adult entertainment industry?
Speaker 6: Yeah, in this way, yes, Okay, I believe so in
Speaker 6: this way to go the opposite, some people go the
Speaker 6: other way, right, right, But yes, I believe I'm the
Speaker 6: only one to like have a legitimate career and win
Speaker 6: legitimate awards and.
Speaker 2: You know, then become yeah, and then go into adult entertainment. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So what are people's reactions inside the industry, both in
Speaker 2: the like, let's say, mainstream industry. What are the reactions
Speaker 2: to people you having this career shift.
Speaker 6: You know what? I think at first people were shocked,
Speaker 6: But I get so much more respect now that I
Speaker 6: it's it's you wouldn't believe it, like just saying it, Oh,
Speaker 6: somebody went into porn and they're getting all this respect,
Speaker 6: but I am. And I think it's because they can
Speaker 6: see that I'm really happy at what I do, and
Speaker 6: I'm I'm really like I've chosen this path and I'm
Speaker 6: making productions that I want to make, and I'm trying
Speaker 6: to like create new kind of a new genre in
Speaker 6: space for porn because I really think it's I really
Speaker 6: think it should be like another genre on to itself,
Speaker 6: not the silly porn, but like the films that I'm
Speaker 6: making and stuff. I think it's you know, it's an
Speaker 6: adult genre and it should be treated with you know,
Speaker 6: respect in that way. But I get people like, especially
Speaker 6: if you're under like forty, I would say people like
Speaker 6: that are like so open to it. They are knowing
Speaker 6: they grew up with you know, their formative years. They
Speaker 6: porn was a part of their lives. It's not a
Speaker 6: scary space. I think the older people are a little
Speaker 6: more you know, they think it's like boogie nights, so
Speaker 6: just this wild orgy all the time. And I think
Speaker 6: people don't understand how much time and effort is put
Speaker 6: into this stuff and all like the testing we have
Speaker 6: to do, the paperwork, the consent, all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like so sexy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 2: The testing and the papers wild. Can you tell us
Speaker 2: maybe what one of the most surprising things that you
Speaker 2: learned when you went into the adult entertainment industry.
Speaker 6: I'd say that it is a lot like mainstream the
Speaker 6: sets and everything, like, it's not different.
Speaker 2: It's just people you have a gum wall. Wait, you
Speaker 2: have a gum wall.
Speaker 7: It's it's oh god, I I was surprised to know
Speaker 7: that there is a lube guy that comes in and like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, wait, what is wait? What is the lube guy?
Speaker 1: And how does Ryder get this?
Speaker 6: It's so disinterested people think on the set like everybody's
Speaker 6: oh my god, they're.
Speaker 4: Oil, ma'am.
Speaker 6: Nobody cares, yes, like like sometimes they'll just yell out
Speaker 6: what the dick because it has to look it has
Speaker 6: to look moist, right, yes, you know, New Merch. I
Speaker 6: wanted to tell you what it's like to get.
Speaker 1: Wait, finish that sentence.
Speaker 2: You won't tell us what it's like to get what.
Speaker 6: You get measured for like a flashlight that.
Speaker 2: I have, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: The lubricant and the toys and everything. Yeah, that's all
Speaker 6: I have to say. I don't know much I could say.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything after what the dick?
Speaker 2: What the dick? Writers saying New Merch Merch? God, can I.
Speaker 4: Ask when when you're making these films, because I know
Speaker 4: there's there's nobly different sections. You're you're shooting a film,
Speaker 4: you're just shooting a film, and then there's probably you're
Speaker 4: doing the sex. Was it is a whole different part
Speaker 4: than actually shooting the film exactly. Is are you mostly
Speaker 4: really into it or is it an acting job and
Speaker 4: you're kind of actually it's more technical than it is
Speaker 4: anything else, or is it Is there a passion to
Speaker 4: it when you're in the moment.
Speaker 6: No, there's definitely a passion to it, and I'm in it,
Speaker 6: especially if you have a really like good partner. I
Speaker 6: always equate it to like being dance partners or like
Speaker 6: some sort of ice skating pair like I'm you know somebody,
Speaker 6: or even an acting partner that's like so good and
Speaker 6: you have that passion and that connection in that moment,
Speaker 6: and I really feel like, you know, porn is such
Speaker 6: a safe space for me to explore all of my
Speaker 6: like desires and you know, my fantasies with a safe
Speaker 6: group of people that are professionals. They're tested, they know
Speaker 6: the lines. You know, you have consent and all this stuff,
Speaker 6: so I can really just let myself go. You're definitely
Speaker 6: gonna have more chemistry with some people than others. True,
Speaker 6: Just like any actor, it's always you know, when anybody
Speaker 6: says to me, oh, I'm such a fan of Boy
Speaker 6: Meets World, I'm always like, it's either really hit or
Speaker 6: really missed with that because you know, they either get
Speaker 6: really nervous and there's a lot of.
Speaker 4: Oh you mean when you one of your partner, oh god,
Speaker 4: oh okay, Oh yeah no.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of fans of Boyet's world in porn,
Speaker 6: and they're that age group too, where like really that
Speaker 6: was a big show for them too, So man, yeah,
Speaker 6: so it's either great, like they're super excited or they're like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, now, how was?
Speaker 2: How was?
Speaker 4: I have to imagine you have to be amazingly secure
Speaker 4: in your relationship to do something like this because you've
Speaker 4: been with the same guy since we were on boy
Speaker 4: So how I mean, how does your husband handle your job?
Speaker 6: He's so incredibly supportive of it. And I think it's
Speaker 6: because we it's been such a long journey. People think
Speaker 6: that overnight I just said, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go do porn, But it wasn't. It was first of all,
Speaker 6: it was that whole lengthy journey of my self discovery
Speaker 6: personally and then with like my Patreon account and everything
Speaker 6: before I even ever did like professional Born, So it
Speaker 6: was like baby steps along the way. But we are
Speaker 6: so secure in our relationship and also I have like
Speaker 6: erotic fantasies that he's not able to like gang bangs
Speaker 6: or like all these sort of like you know, BDSM
Speaker 6: kind of things that I want to try. I'm not
Speaker 6: able to do it like with him, which is fine,
Speaker 6: But in this like adult space, I'm able to do
Speaker 6: these things safely, and you know, I just get to
Speaker 6: explore and live them out. But then I get to
Speaker 6: come home to my intimate relationship, you know, with my husband.
Speaker 6: So it's separate, really separate. And there are a lot
Speaker 6: of relationships in the adult industry. A lot of people
Speaker 6: who work together in the adult industries because they know
Speaker 6: about the industry and so they understand. But I think
Speaker 6: people would be surprised to know how many like families
Speaker 6: are in there, like how many you know, people are
Speaker 6: married with kids and and I have lived very very
Speaker 6: normal lives. I think everything you see that is wild.
Speaker 6: We're like living on the set, so right, Like I'm
Speaker 6: not out on Saturday night like trying to you know,
Speaker 6: find gang bangs. I do that on Monday morning.
Speaker 3: Time. Yeah, oh man.
Speaker 6: But then the worst is I have one time had
Speaker 6: to do like all of this dialogue in the day
Speaker 6: and we had this huge orgy scene which are the.
Speaker 2: Four Everyone knows those two things.
Speaker 6: All those people having together like this, all these people
Speaker 6: are having to like you know.
Speaker 3: It's like the Scream episode for us, everybody trying to.
Speaker 6: Keep Yeah, it's like film a wedding scene. You have
Speaker 6: all these people and everything. I swear we shop for
Speaker 6: twenty four hours. Oh god, the sex all the way,
Speaker 6: but just the getting it together and like you know,
Speaker 6: shooting all the there was a big acting portion. There
Speaker 6: were snakes in it at one point. Yeah, it was
Speaker 6: my god, these are elaborate setups.
Speaker 4: My ironically still covered in honey and in front of
Speaker 4: a bear.
Speaker 3: So yeah, different type bear.
Speaker 2: But okay, So jumping ahead, jumping ahead to around the time,
Speaker 2: let's say twenty twenty two, and we start the we
Speaker 2: start our podcast, pod meets World. Maybe a more broad
Speaker 2: general question for you is, uh, do you hate us?
Speaker 6: No? I don't you. Okay, I think that you hate
Speaker 6: me because you wouldn't speak to me on when we
Speaker 6: would go to Groomy's world and everything, and that's hurtful.
Speaker 2: That was way I wouldn't speak to you.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: I did talk to you, No, not really, not really
Speaker 6: unfriended me on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I did not unfriend you on Facebook. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I truly don't know how that happened. And when you
Speaker 2: went public and said that you had sent me a
Speaker 2: message on Facebook around the time that I got married
Speaker 2: the first time by twenty thirteen, Yes, you sent it
Speaker 2: to Will. You told Will I sent Danielle this message.
Speaker 2: She didn't respond to me. I am not a Facebook person.
Speaker 2: I barely ever use Facebook. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: The only thing I do on Facebook is now that
Speaker 2: Instagram allows you to post the things you post on
Speaker 2: Instagram on Facebook. I have that toggle on so whatever
Speaker 2: I post on Instagram goes to Facebook. But otherwise I
Speaker 2: don't even go on Facebook. So when I heard that,
Speaker 2: I said, oh, my gosh, did not know that. I
Speaker 2: then went into my Facebook page saw that we were
Speaker 2: not friends. Was like, didn't remember when we were friends
Speaker 2: on Facebook or when we were no longer friends on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Found your message in the graveyard of messages that your
Speaker 2: messages go to, and I then felt very bad. I
Speaker 2: felt like, oh, man, you did send me a really
Speaker 2: nice message. You had said, congratulations on your engagement, congratulations
Speaker 2: on Girl meets World. It was very sweet, and so
Speaker 2: I said to Will, will you please ask Maitland if
Speaker 2: I could have her phone number so that I could
Speaker 2: apologize to her, and you wrote back to Will, No,
Speaker 2: let's just save it for the podcast. It'll be great
Speaker 2: for the ratings.
Speaker 6: The ratings, I think. Okay, I get out on the podcast. Okay,
Speaker 6: someting they talk about, you know.
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe the official quote was rock the
Speaker 2: stats but also.
Speaker 6: The and I thought the podcast was going to be
Speaker 6: like next week. Back then it was that you guys
Speaker 6: were just going to start out, So it was I
Speaker 6: thought it was going.
Speaker 2: To happen like right away, right away. I got it.
Speaker 6: But honestly, no, you did not speak to me on
Speaker 6: the set of Girl Mats World except.
Speaker 2: For hi, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean I have no pictures with you or anything
Speaker 6: on that side like a Girl Meets World. And I thought,
Speaker 6: because you know, you were at my wedding and everything,
Speaker 6: and I thought we were friends.
Speaker 2: And then it was just like, wait, what year did
Speaker 2: you get married?
Speaker 6: Again?
Speaker 2: I don't remember what year.
Speaker 6: I was in six at the end.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so I do remember when I got the
Speaker 2: invitation to your wed and I was really I had
Speaker 2: was it came out of nowhere because we hadn't really
Speaker 2: spoken since Boy Meets World had ended. So Boyle's World
Speaker 2: ended in two thousand and then you get married in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: how nice is that.
Speaker 1: That I got it?
Speaker 2: And I remember talking to my mom about it. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. Maitland invited me to her wedding, and I thought, oh, fun,
Speaker 2: we're going to have like a boy I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: going to be a Boy meets World reunion because I
Speaker 2: expect you and I hadn't spoken, so I thought if
Speaker 2: I was invited, everyone else was probably going to be invited.
Speaker 2: And then it was. It was me and Michael and
Speaker 2: it was great to see Michael. I hadn't seen Michael
Speaker 2: in a long time either.
Speaker 6: And Ben's family and d ed Yes.
Speaker 2: So there were so there was a little little Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World review.
Speaker 6: I did not know they were at that time. Literally,
Speaker 6: so it was two thousand and six on social media. No,
Speaker 6: I've like, I didn't I had your email or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 6: information probably from probably from d D.
Speaker 2: D D would make sense, yes, because Dede and I
Speaker 2: have been in touch ever since, so through d D. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I just remember being really excited. It was very sweet.
Speaker 2: We went. We took a really beautiful photo at your wedding.
Speaker 2: You looked so gorgeous. Your wedding was gorgeous.
Speaker 6: It was a.
Speaker 2: Really beautiful, beautiful day. Yes, and then you got married
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, and we never spoke again.
Speaker 2: I went to your wedding, we didn't really and we
Speaker 2: never spoke again.
Speaker 6: But I don't looked to them either. And I saw
Speaker 6: them on the Girl Meets World set and you guys
Speaker 6: bear hugged me and oh, you know, great to see you.
Speaker 3: After we were working.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was working. I was down.
Speaker 6: I had an attitude about it though, because I know
Speaker 6: there was some beef between us because I and I
Speaker 6: didn't get it, and maybe I picked up the wrong signals,
Speaker 6: but definitely there was some sort of like weirdness there.
Speaker 2: And so what did you think it was?
Speaker 6: I didn't know at all. I didn't I didn't know
Speaker 6: if you thought that I was trying to like come
Speaker 6: onto the set and like take over or something, not takeover,
Speaker 6: but you know, like try to steal attention or something
Speaker 6: and like, but I didn't know. I really was very
Speaker 6: genuinely confused why we wouldn't be good, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel as though I was not good with you,
Speaker 2: but I definitely didn't have a relationship with you that
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, my long lost friend Mayland.
Speaker 2: I was working. It was a very very difficult set
Speaker 2: that in those those three years were you know, the memories.
Speaker 2: Let's put it this way, the memories we have of
Speaker 2: the fun set of Boy Meets World were not the
Speaker 2: memories or the fun set of Girl Meets World. It
Speaker 2: just wasn't. And I went into it hoping it was
Speaker 2: going to be. I went into it expecting it to be,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't. It was a rather tumultuous place. It
Speaker 2: was a place I felt very ostracized. I felt very criticized.
Speaker 2: I felt a lot of different things being on that
Speaker 2: set that was not the set of Danielle being care
Speaker 2: free and running around shaking hands and kissing babies. So
Speaker 2: I am sorry that you thought I had something personally
Speaker 2: against you.
Speaker 6: Listen, I mean you didn't like the fact that I
Speaker 6: was getting a lot of attention at that time and
Speaker 6: going off in my own space and taking away like that.
Speaker 2: Attention I was on the cover of Maxim in two
Speaker 2: thousand that I definitely want you for that. But but
Speaker 2: I wasn't in any way upset. I didn't think you were.
Speaker 4: I was to.
Speaker 6: Know why you were upset. That's what I mean. I
Speaker 6: didn't know why you were. That's only what I do.
Speaker 2: You just told me right now why I was upset.
Speaker 2: You were saying before you didn't know why I was
Speaker 2: upset for sure. Just now you just I said you
Speaker 2: were what I thought maybe that's what you guessed. Then
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was thinking maybe maybe she's Yeah.
Speaker 2: Back then, I'm like, got it. I thought you were
Speaker 2: saying that now that that's what it was, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay.
Speaker 6: I'm so interesting that was when you is she mad at?
Speaker 3: That is she?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: Got it? And that absolutely in every experience we have
Speaker 2: had on this show where people have finally talked about
Speaker 2: things that have never been talked about in the twenty
Speaker 2: or thirty years since they've happened, or ten or twenty
Speaker 2: years since they've happened, when it then comes up, every
Speaker 2: single time, there's a reveal which is like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know what, I made this a personal thing. I thought
Speaker 2: it was about this, and we go, oh, and here's
Speaker 2: what was going on. For you and for you and
Speaker 2: for you and for you. So that makes sense. And
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you thought it was about you or
Speaker 2: anything you were doing. I didn't. I, like I said,
Speaker 2: I did Maximum in twenty fourteen, and it wasn't until
Speaker 2: after I did the cover of MAXIM that I realized
Speaker 2: that wasn't for me. I didn't like it. I didn't
Speaker 2: like the way it made me feel. You and I
Speaker 2: actually have totally different and both perfectly valid experiences with that,
Speaker 2: where you have grown into it and embraced it and
Speaker 2: it is awoken a part of you you didn't know existed,
Speaker 2: and you feel empowered by it. I had that one
Speaker 2: experience and felt the exact opposite, but I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was my feeling until after I
Speaker 2: did it. So we've just had two totally different journeys
Speaker 2: in that, and they're both valid and neither of them wrong.
Speaker 2: And then there have been other You know, it seems
Speaker 2: like almost any time the podcast is in the news
Speaker 2: in the press, there's a quickly followed up TMZ interview
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 6: If everybody's interested, Yeah, they always.
Speaker 2: Want to know how do those happen, by the way.
Speaker 6: Because they come and get me, they find me on
Speaker 6: the streets.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, I've I've never. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I've ever been found on the street.
Speaker 3: You don't hang out enough in West Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Oh it's West Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Amusing you or are trying to me of something?
Speaker 2: Because I know, I'm just wondering. They've never, they've never,
Speaker 2: They've never stopped me outside of my house, or never have.
Speaker 6: Stopped me outside of my house.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know where they're stopping you. I was
Speaker 2: just wondering because it hasn't.
Speaker 6: Happened a big concern for you right now.
Speaker 2: I was just curious because it seems as though every
Speaker 2: time we've been in the news, shortly thereafter there's an
Speaker 2: interview with you on TMZ sharing yours because they want
Speaker 2: to know the subject.
Speaker 6: They want to know so many news outlets want to
Speaker 6: know stuff. Okay, So I think there's a divide to
Speaker 6: because you guys hate Ben and you guys hate Michael.
Speaker 2: We I don't hate Ben or Michael like you guys
Speaker 2: have not hate either of them, not hate.
Speaker 6: Hate It is a strong word. I'm not mean hate,
Speaker 6: but like.
Speaker 4: I guess, and that's one of the most important people
Speaker 4: I've ever met in my life, and I can't stand
Speaker 4: the fact that he won't speak to us.
Speaker 2: I fe the same way he won't speak to us. Correct.
Speaker 4: I can show you the the last three years literally
Speaker 4: of messages and in the middle of.
Speaker 1: A conversation, I wish that, just wish.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, he been ben absolutely one day woke up and
Speaker 4: said I don't want will in my life and never
Speaker 4: told me why.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know the history of any of that.
Speaker 2: No, you don't. Again, is my question. Do you listen
Speaker 2: Do you listen to our podcast? Because you did then
Speaker 2: go in on one of the TMZ articles and say
Speaker 2: that our podcast is very negative and we say all
Speaker 2: kinds of negative.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of negative stuff that came.
Speaker 3: Out of that pot.
Speaker 2: Do you listen to the podcast?
Speaker 6: No, not regularly, but I do listen to the big
Speaker 6: shows in the past, but the beginning, at the beginning,
Speaker 6: I have listened to it that much recently. But I
Speaker 6: don't understand why this is like a grilling session right now.
Speaker 2: Not a grilling session. I'm just asking questions. These are
Speaker 2: things you said on TMZ, So I'm just curious because
Speaker 2: we have that we have not felt as though we
Speaker 2: have said anything negative the same way you wrote your
Speaker 2: birth about your experiences doesn't mean that they're negative. They're
Speaker 2: they're just experiences. Me sharing my story that Michael told
Speaker 2: me in a note session that I needed to show
Speaker 2: up the next day and do it entirely different, the
Speaker 2: same exact way you shared your story at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this podcast, where you said he told you your
Speaker 2: audition needed to be entirely different the next day.
Speaker 6: Because really he was looking out for me to get
Speaker 6: the role right.
Speaker 2: That's what he did to me. He wanted from then
Speaker 2: he gave me a thing. That's what he would say.
Speaker 2: His argument was, he gave me notes about how he
Speaker 2: wanted me to do it the next day. Then I
Speaker 2: did it the next day, and then he gave me
Speaker 2: a standing ovation. That's the story I told. We had
Speaker 2: a guest on who who then said his experience and
Speaker 2: got very upset and but so I just don't know
Speaker 2: where you're the one who said it. So if you
Speaker 2: don't want, if you want to not stand by it,
Speaker 2: that's fine too. But what has been so negative about
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 6: Things that have come out of the talking about the show.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then I don't know why you can't name any.
Speaker 6: Of them, anything to do with Michael and anything anything
Speaker 6: to do with all of that. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 6: even saying I'm not telling you what's right and wrong.
Speaker 6: I'm saying negative about the show.
Speaker 2: So you don't listen to the podcast regularly, but your
Speaker 2: overall opinion of it is that we are negative about
Speaker 2: Michael and Ben and the show.
Speaker 6: Be honest about this. You're trying to go with me
Speaker 6: now to get the ratings because you know that people
Speaker 6: will be interested in Maitland. I don't you, guys, I
Speaker 6: just want maland remember good times.
Speaker 2: O Maitland. Sorry, I'm not the one who wanted to
Speaker 2: go for ratings. I'm the one who texted Will to
Speaker 2: ask for your phone number so that like adults, we
Speaker 2: could have a conversation off the air. When you said
Speaker 2: rock the stats, I realized, got it. This isn't someone
Speaker 2: who's seeing an opportunity to again use this opportunity to
Speaker 2: get into the ratings. So this is what you asked for.
Speaker 2: I wanted to write you a text and say can
Speaker 2: we talk about what our feelings are?
Speaker 6: Genuous? You'd have to be reminded that you unfriended me
Speaker 6: from Facebook and that after I wrote you a very
Speaker 6: heartful letter and you know it was heartfelt.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I hadn't read it until I heard about
Speaker 2: it in whatever year it was, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: Do you even care to look at it?
Speaker 2: Because it was in the graveyard. We weren't friends on Facebook.
Speaker 2: We were not friends on Facebook. It didn't come to
Speaker 2: my message. I hadn't read it until I was aware
Speaker 2: it existed. So yes, but listen, all I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: these are things I would have wanted to talk to
Speaker 2: you about, or we could have talked about had you
Speaker 2: been willing to give me your phone number, but you
Speaker 2: wanted to save it to rock the stats. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: these are questions I had. If you don't want to
Speaker 2: answer them, you just don't have to answer them.
Speaker 6: Have fun with you guys, and remember and just to
Speaker 6: have good time.
Speaker 2: Oh now you want to only talk about the good times.
Speaker 2: When runs into you randomly on the street, that's the
Speaker 2: time when you want to drag our names through the mud.
Speaker 2: But now it should all be about good times.
Speaker 6: Mud.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what you have done on multiple occasions, because.
Speaker 6: You have done a lot of things that are very disingenuous.
Speaker 2: We name them. Please name them please.
Speaker 6: I am not getting on the show to be name them.
Speaker 6: You go against Michael all the time, for.
Speaker 2: Like, what does go against Michael mean? Is Michael? What
Speaker 2: does it mean? What does it mean to go against Michael?
Speaker 6: But like saying, oh, he was just this guy who
Speaker 6: just controlled us all and yes there were all sorts
Speaker 6: of negative things that happened.
Speaker 2: I agreed, Oh okay, but you're not doing.
Speaker 6: It just to get listens.
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm talking like if I'm talking about Michael
Speaker 5: yelling at me, and like that's my experience, right, Like
Speaker 5: I was yelled at. I watched him do things I
Speaker 5: can describe that.
Speaker 6: That's absolutely I did too. I went up to the
Speaker 6: laundering in front of everybody, so.
Speaker 2: Right, And you talked about it in your book.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's not necessarily negative.
Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with that. There isn't talking. It is fine.
Speaker 6: But is it negative? Yes, that's a negative thing about
Speaker 6: the show. You talk a lot about negative things about
Speaker 6: the show. That's negative. Like okay, but you guys, wouldn't
Speaker 6: you have careers and lives because of that show? And
Speaker 6: I realized I do too, And no matter what, we're
Speaker 6: all going to.
Speaker 2: Be So is the price we pay for that silence
Speaker 2: and only doting on the one of the people whose
Speaker 2: response no, of course not.
Speaker 6: I don't, of course not what your point is right now, Like,
Speaker 6: of course we're going to talk about issues and stuff,
Speaker 6: but I don't understand where you're going at me.
Speaker 2: For this well, because again I mentioned why you've talked
Speaker 2: about it in the press multiple times, and when I
Speaker 2: tried to ask.
Speaker 6: For your phone to me on set that you ignored
Speaker 6: my letters, that you yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then when I tried to reach out to you.
Speaker 6: Because genuous, it was ingenuous.
Speaker 2: It's disingenuous to want to do it face to face
Speaker 2: or via on the phone, but it's less disingenuous to
Speaker 2: do we went to rock the stats on a podcast.
Speaker 2: I said in the press. We obviously just feel very
Speaker 2: differently about what being genuine is for me. Anytime, in
Speaker 2: any aspect of my life, when someone has something that
Speaker 2: they abone to pick with me, for lack of a
Speaker 2: better word, I then make the effort to reach out
Speaker 2: to that person to have a conversation. My personal belief
Speaker 2: is that there is probably nothing that can't be worked
Speaker 2: out by talking and with honesty and saying okay, here
Speaker 2: you want to know what was going on? Let me
Speaker 2: tell you what was going on or what is your perspective?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this? And almost every single time.
Speaker 3: Hm, wow, so you drop that.
Speaker 2: Well, Maitland's left. Uh, I mean, for benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 2: we will wait here, wait a few minutes and see
Speaker 2: if she's going to come.
Speaker 3: Seemed frozen. Yeah, it seemed. It seemed like a point
Speaker 3: of calming and reconciliation more than a more conversation.
Speaker 2: I know, it was a very like let's wrap this up.
Speaker 5: Right, it's not gonna well, can you please text her
Speaker 5: and see if that was purposeful?
Speaker 3: This will be a fun text. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: that bad. You didn't do anything, and it just was
Speaker 3: that purposeful.
Speaker 1: No, she says, she's trying to get back on hold
Speaker 1: on great.
Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, you know this is funny because you guys, Oh,
Speaker 6: I saw you guys got there. My power just went out.
Speaker 4: Like it's exactly, it's a sign from God.
Speaker 6: It just like went out.
Speaker 4: Well, the timing, the timing was pretty perfect, I the time,
Speaker 4: pretty spectacular.
Speaker 2: Your your power company has a sense of humor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Michael outside, I'm plugging, I'm plugging our.
Speaker 1: Sl Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Where I had left off was just in my experience.
Speaker 2: My belief was that anytime somebody has a problem, I
Speaker 2: prefer to have a dialogue about it personally. I've never
Speaker 2: been the type of person to air aggrievance with someone
Speaker 2: in the press. And in your opinion, I guess you
Speaker 2: felt like me wanting to reach out privately felt disingenuous,
Speaker 2: which yes, because.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you didn't do anything for all those years.
Speaker 6: And do I believe you never saw it? Okay, but we.
Speaker 2: Weren't friends on Facebook.
Speaker 6: What I have seen it when fried me, okay, friends
Speaker 6: when I sent that letter.
Speaker 2: Oh you think we were friends when you sent the note?
Speaker 6: I think so because I saw you as my friend
Speaker 6: to send it.
Speaker 2: Okay, But I mean I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't use Facebook, so I don't even know
Speaker 2: what that means. Because I saw you as my friend
Speaker 2: to send it to me. If you were thinking I'm
Speaker 2: going to send Danielle a message, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it's like in Facebook, but you would just open a
Speaker 2: message and then type my name, and my name would autofill.
Speaker 2: So I that's what I did, did not Okay, But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I don't know when we were no
Speaker 2: longer friends on Facebook. I had not seen you or
Speaker 2: spoken to you since your wedding in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: It was now twenty thirteen. I don't know when that happened.
Speaker 6: Becoming friends was when you hit the button.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm asking, Danielle. Do you remember did
Speaker 4: you ever purposely on a friend Maitland.
Speaker 2: I never purposefully unfriended Maitland. I don't have memories of unfriending.
Speaker 6: Memorial there, guys.
Speaker 2: That's true. That that's true, valid point. But also it's
Speaker 2: not like it's the first time anyone's ever heard of
Speaker 2: random unfriendings on things. It's happened to me multiple times
Speaker 2: on Instagram, where I will look and see, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I'm no longer following so and so, and I didn't
Speaker 2: I did not unfriend them. I have to then go
Speaker 2: back in and refollow people. That wouldn't have been the
Speaker 2: first time that's ever happened. Is it possible that somewhere
Speaker 2: between the time of two thousand I guess whatever, we
Speaker 2: became friends on Facebook. I don't even I don't remember
Speaker 2: when that happened either. Is it possible that somewhere over
Speaker 2: the years of two thousand to twenty thirteen, I unfriended Maitland. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I don't have a memory of it. I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: had a real particular reason to do it unless I
Speaker 2: was just like, you know what, my Facebook has too
Speaker 2: many friends. I'm going to on this person I don't
Speaker 2: talk to I hadn't. I spoke to you and saw
Speaker 2: you one time from two thousand.
Speaker 6: Don't know why people I have not seen in years
Speaker 6: on Facebook that I'm friends with. It's not exactly a
Speaker 6: place where you have to be like intimately connected all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 2: That's true, but people treat their Facebook as different things.
Speaker 2: Is there a possibility that's somewhere from two thousand to
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, I went through and unfriended some people. Sure,
Speaker 2: is it possible you were in one of those?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: What I know for sure is that I did not
Speaker 2: see your message in twenty thirteen. I did not see it.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I wasn't aware it existed until you brought
Speaker 2: it up, and then I went to go look for it.
Speaker 2: Because I hadn't seen it. I was like, let's go
Speaker 2: see what this note says. Let's see if I can
Speaker 2: even find it and it was there in a graveyard.
Speaker 2: I took a screenshot of it where it sat in
Speaker 2: the graveyard, and I sent it to Will and then.
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, in all fairness, I can I can
Speaker 4: verify that she did write me and go, oh my god,
Speaker 4: she did a message.
Speaker 1: It's right here.
Speaker 4: Can you please reach out to her and see if
Speaker 4: I cons When I heard that you.
Speaker 2: Said you sent me a message, I said, no, she didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a message.
Speaker 1: I can verify that.
Speaker 2: And then I went and looked for it and I
Speaker 2: found it. I was like, yeah, that was a very
Speaker 2: nice message. I had never seen it. I'd love to
Speaker 2: talk to her. Can I have her phone number? And
Speaker 2: you said no? So I'm glad we're getting to talk
Speaker 2: about it. I'm glad we had the opportunity to talk
Speaker 2: about it. I will very honestly when your response was no,
Speaker 2: let's save it for the podcast, it'll rock the stats
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 6: Will have told me the podcast is coming out right now,
Speaker 6: we're going to put out a press release. Can we
Speaker 6: put you in the press release? Can we do this?
Speaker 6: It was going to happen like that, but oh wait,
Speaker 6: all this time later and you haven't Adam alone you've
Speaker 6: had every single other person on.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, well no, we waited until well, no, I can
Speaker 4: address that. So Trina came. The reason we had Trina
Speaker 4: on earlier is because Trina came out and said some
Speaker 4: things that had happened on the show and things we
Speaker 4: wanted to address right away because some of them obviously
Speaker 4: we had heard of, and some of them we had and.
Speaker 2: Us, all of us had spoken on the phone. She
Speaker 2: came on the podcast.
Speaker 6: Trina didn't think you were friendly with her either.
Speaker 2: I know, and Trina and I talked about it privately.
Speaker 2: Trina knows exactly what happened, and I love Trina. I
Speaker 2: think the years great.
Speaker 4: But then it was and no, but then what happened
Speaker 4: was we then realized as we were breaking down the show,
Speaker 4: we were having characters on when they came on. So
Speaker 4: like we didn't have Tony Quinn on until Tony Quinn's
Speaker 4: character came on the show. We didn't have the Bullies
Speaker 4: on until they didn't have Todd the Bullies on the show.
Speaker 4: So that's why we're only three episodes into season six
Speaker 4: where your character has been.
Speaker 2: And lot in when you were the first show to
Speaker 2: bring on. Fore, we wanted everyone to know that when
Speaker 2: we got to your season, we would bring it on.
Speaker 2: We wanted the people to know that cast members who
Speaker 2: had been on the show, we were getting approvals from people.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to be on the show, Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, great. Can we use your name in the
Speaker 2: press release? Yes, you may, and then we put your
Speaker 2: name in the press release.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what happened. But that's when we were going
Speaker 6: to talk about it. I thought it was going to
Speaker 6: happen bringing So.
Speaker 4: That might have been So that might have been a miscommunication.
Speaker 4: That's a straight up. That might have been on me with.
Speaker 2: So when I said you might have your number and
Speaker 2: will sat and then you said no to the podcast.
Speaker 6: Right now, this is like we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: this right now, I'm like, I didn't think you were
Speaker 6: being genuine about it. I was like, God, I don't
Speaker 6: want to talk to her right now, like about this.
Speaker 6: It's just right.
Speaker 2: So you didn't want to talk about it then, but
Speaker 2: you but you thought also you were going to be
Speaker 2: on the podcast right around the same time.
Speaker 6: Podcast, so that it'll be a good talk.
Speaker 4: That's where I said, yeah, yeah, So that in all fairness,
Speaker 4: that was that might have been a miscommunication on my part,
Speaker 4: because that was just getting people to say yes, they
Speaker 4: because you were like, oh, it's.
Speaker 3: Going to happen.
Speaker 6: We're going to be doing this fast, you know.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's what Well that's what I thought, But
Speaker 4: it was what I meant was we were going to
Speaker 4: be announcing the podcast and everybody's name fast, but then
Speaker 4: you were going to come on. People were going to
Speaker 4: come on when they came on the show, was what
Speaker 4: we were because we I mean, frankly, we didn't want
Speaker 4: to have everybody on at the beginning top heavy. We
Speaker 4: want to save some of the people for when their
Speaker 4: episodes came out.
Speaker 2: If we had everyone on very early, who would we
Speaker 2: have to interview when their seasons roll around. We wanted
Speaker 2: to save a certain amount of excitement. Obviously, having you
Speaker 2: on to talk about your new career is something a
Speaker 2: lot of people are very excited about and have been
Speaker 2: looking for word too. Yeah, so we wanted to give
Speaker 2: the people what they want and make them wait a
Speaker 2: little bit for it.
Speaker 6: Well, you know that's that's the thing you do important too.
Speaker 2: Glad we can still find commonalities. I cannot believe I'll
Speaker 2: never get over me saying was there a gum wall
Speaker 2: and will saying it's not gum. I I will just
Speaker 2: saying it could have been candy.
Speaker 1: It could have been licorice.
Speaker 4: I imagine adult industry or regular industry.
Speaker 1: The craft service table was probably the same suction to
Speaker 1: the law. That's actually kind of cool to think about.
Speaker 2: Well, Maitland, thank you so much for coming on. Thank
Speaker 2: you for sharing your time with us. We know there
Speaker 2: have been a lot of people who have been emailing us,
Speaker 2: who have messaged us.
Speaker 6: I have so much great boy meets World fans that
Speaker 6: have been with me through everything. Like they'll say, I
Speaker 6: watched you back then and I like you. I thought
Speaker 6: you were so sexy, and I, you know, my teenage
Speaker 6: fantasies were all you know, I was turned on back then,
Speaker 6: and now I get to see the full thing and
Speaker 6: I've come all this. Not many people can say that
Speaker 6: they've had, you know, fans who were fantasizing about them
Speaker 6: back then all these years later actually seeing them in
Speaker 6: those fantasies and they had your vagina in their drawer.
Speaker 2: That's true very much.
Speaker 6: That I never thought that would happen.
Speaker 4: And one thing I do want to tell you that
Speaker 4: we've been talking about a lot is again, we're only
Speaker 4: three episodes in, but they haven't really established your character
Speaker 4: very much yet. They didn't give you a whole lot
Speaker 4: to do, and with what they've given you, you're doing great.
Speaker 1: So we're very impressed with.
Speaker 6: All work stuff in the apartment. It was really like
Speaker 6: but it.
Speaker 4: Was all it could really have been just one note,
Speaker 4: like they really didn't They haven't figured out.
Speaker 6: Who she's going to be she was yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're doing a lot.
Speaker 4: With what they're giving you so far, and I think
Speaker 4: they're trying to figure out who you're going to be
Speaker 4: and what the relationship is because I know a lot
Speaker 4: of people talk about like I'll hear from people that
Speaker 4: conventions and stuff all the time like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: Rachel should have been with Eric, Like why is she?
Speaker 2: Why was she?
Speaker 6: I get a lot of Eric like yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of stuff too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it was it Michael or somebody were saying
Speaker 6: that if I got with Eric, it wouldn't have been
Speaker 6: funny for him or something. It would have been like
Speaker 6: I don't know, there was some reason like whyre but
Speaker 6: palmedy with it or.
Speaker 1: Something maybe, and they just kept Eric like absolutely the
Speaker 1: singular focus. But no, so far.
Speaker 4: I mean again with with what they've been giving you
Speaker 4: so far, and they'll develop your character more. But you've
Speaker 4: been doing great, so yeah, we definitely wanted to let
Speaker 4: you know that.
Speaker 6: That's so well. Yeah, remembering back on everything, I mean,
Speaker 6: I you know, going down memory lane of all this stuff.
Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys do it all the time.
Speaker 6: Just looking at all the episodes and examining them, I
Speaker 6: think I go crazy.
Speaker 2: When was the last time you watched an episode of
Speaker 2: Boy Meets worl oh Well?
Speaker 6: And I've seen different like parts and stuff. When I
Speaker 6: was writing my book, I went back and watched like
Speaker 6: episodes that I was in my feelings towards that and
Speaker 6: like and broke that down about you know, just what
Speaker 6: my mindset was back then, what was happening. So I did,
Speaker 6: But you know what, I don't watch them. I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I love that time in my life. It
Speaker 6: was so special and I'm so thankful and grateful to
Speaker 6: have been part of such an amazing show. But I
Speaker 6: didn't want to be part of you had that for
Speaker 6: the rest of my life, you know, I want to
Speaker 6: do something else, and I wanted to, you know, do
Speaker 6: other things and I'm lucky that I had success in
Speaker 6: other realms and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, we're all very lucky that we had
Speaker 2: those years on boy metsorrel that helped develop who we
Speaker 2: were as people. And thankfully we've all gone on to
Speaker 2: find new careers and things we love to do, and
Speaker 2: we still get to talk about the fun times we
Speaker 2: had on the show. Maitland Where can people find you now?
Speaker 2: I mentioned that you had written a memoir called Sorry
Speaker 2: and I Lost my paper my Was it my escape
Speaker 2: from Hollywood?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: Actually that's that's the paperback version, the first Rated X
Speaker 6: okay me from Hollywood. In the second, they've changed the
Speaker 6: title to get it in more markets like airports and stuff.
Speaker 6: Because rated X was title for something.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was right next to all my
Speaker 4: DVDs in my Barnes and Noble. I literally just thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rated X one or the new one.
Speaker 1: Rated X one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, bookstores was fine, but like for like foreign markets
Speaker 6: or like places that weren't so receptive to having rated
Speaker 6: X on the cover, they just changed the title for
Speaker 6: the paperback.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, so people can pick up your book
Speaker 2: rated X everywhere.
Speaker 6: On it's Maitland Ward basically everywhere even and definitely my
Speaker 6: only fans and everything. So if you you know, I
Speaker 6: want to go there and get some goodies, it's some cameos.
Speaker 2: Oh don't.
Speaker 1: That's a good way.
Speaker 6: I do that all the time. I get so many
Speaker 6: like customer requests like that, just to have people through
Speaker 6: only fans.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry, I've never been on only fans.
Speaker 4: Is you You can literally like request something specific and
Speaker 4: then somebody does regret.
Speaker 6: Good money for it, like wast you five hundred thousand
Speaker 6: dollars to get like you know, yeah, it's like did.
Speaker 1: You say five hundred thousand dollars on a thousand?
Speaker 4: Oh oh god, I thought five hundred dollars billionaires.
Speaker 6: No like for that. And if you want to do
Speaker 6: like a custom video, then it's going to be more.
Speaker 6: And there's all sorts of different things.
Speaker 2: When you said five hundred thousand dollars, Will was opening
Speaker 2: and all my fans so exciting.
Speaker 3: Will was for only fans.
Speaker 1: My god, that's wow. That's got five hundred grand video.
Speaker 3: That's impressive.
Speaker 2: Uh wow, Well, thank you for joining us, Maitland. It
Speaker 2: was nice to talk to you. Reminisce. Share some good times,
Speaker 2: share some not so good times, uh, you know where
Speaker 2: to find us, and thank you for joining us. Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll have you back for our prank war episode in
Speaker 2: season seven. You can, yeah, I'll have you back for
Speaker 2: that so we can maybe maybe we'll turn that into
Speaker 2: a whole week like we did the Scream episode. That's
Speaker 2: we could break down a few things and we'll have
Speaker 2: you come back to share your memories with that with
Speaker 2: us too.
Speaker 8: Thank you, Maitland, Thanks bye bye.
Speaker 2: What the merch? That's all what it was going to be.
Speaker 4: That I'm letting ride her do it because that's exactly
Speaker 4: what it was going to be.
Speaker 1: I even wrote down.
Speaker 3: What the merch, so pick that.
Speaker 6: But wow, I.
Speaker 4: Don't like when things I know.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 1: You know now you needed the conversation, you needed, You needed.
Speaker 2: The She obviously felt like me reaching out privately was
Speaker 2: going to be disingenuous, because she very still even to
Speaker 2: this day, thinks she sent me a message, I read
Speaker 2: it and then unfollowed her, right, which is just not
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 5: What I understand is like, what when you hear what
Speaker 5: you're saying now you just say, oh okay, I misunderstood,
Speaker 5: Like that's it, it's over. Why would you now, Like,
Speaker 5: what benefit does it. How does it benefit you to
Speaker 5: now say you know what I mean? Like the second
Speaker 5: you said, I really never got it. I never intended
Speaker 5: to unfriend you. There's no conflict anymore.
Speaker 3: It's over.
Speaker 5: And then it's like, oh, okay, cool, Sorry, I misunderstood
Speaker 5: what I felt in the moment.
Speaker 2: When I asked well if she could give me her
Speaker 2: phone number and she wrote back, no, let's save it
Speaker 2: was very much to me, Oh, you're not actually interested
Speaker 2: in the truth. You're not actually interested in getting to
Speaker 2: the bottom of it, because in my opinion, it's a
Speaker 2: disingenuous gripe. If it were a real feeling she had,
Speaker 2: and she was like, honestly, I'm hurt, Danielle. I sent
Speaker 2: her a really nice message and she unfollowed me, and
Speaker 2: she says that in the press, and then that dan
Speaker 2: Yell says, may I have your number please? I would think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd love to get to the bottom of this. But
Speaker 2: to me, what it felt was, Oh, you don't actually
Speaker 2: care what the real story is you. Similarly to the
Speaker 2: way she decided when Girl Meets World and all that
Speaker 2: stuff was in the press, that that was an opportunity
Speaker 2: for her to make a name for herself. In case
Speaker 2: play and in role playing. She felt like this was
Speaker 2: an opportunity for her to get press by having conflict,
Speaker 2: which I am just not your girl to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm just not And she thought it was disingenuous for
Speaker 2: me to reach out to her. I think wanting to
Speaker 2: do it for stats is disingenuous. And the minute somebody says, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to you privately, let's save
Speaker 2: it for a podcast, I'm fine to save it for
Speaker 2: the podcast. We did it. I just did it.
Speaker 4: People need to sit down and talk, and nobody's doing
Speaker 4: it anymore.
Speaker 1: And it sucks.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And by the way, you can sit
Speaker 2: down and talk and at the end of it go
Speaker 2: we don't need to be friends. Yeah, I don't hate you.
Speaker 2: I don't hate you. I don't hate Maitland, not even
Speaker 2: the slightest. No, I Maitland should go and have the best, most, greatest,
Speaker 2: most fantastical, wonderful life. And we will gladly have her
Speaker 2: back on the podcast to talk about the Prank Wars
Speaker 2: episode when we get to it, or if there's some
Speaker 2: other great episode we stumble upon that we go, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, we have to talk to Maitland about this.
Speaker 2: We'll have her back. Does that mean that Maitland and
Speaker 2: I need to have each other's numbers and send each
Speaker 2: other texts? Absolutely not, don't. We don't need that and
Speaker 2: that's okay. So thank you all for joining us for
Speaker 2: this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can
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