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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. Here's Paul the Tino. I'm

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Speaker 1: do each and every Thursday, we'll give you a full

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Speaker 1: preview of the upcoming opponents. So we'll delve into the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. We just got out of the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Will tell you what was said and also go over

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Speaker 1: the injury report. And Paul, let's start with the injury

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Speaker 1: report because that is always the talk of the town,

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Speaker 1: especially with the Giants being plagued by injuries over the

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Speaker 1: course of this season. So you have a number of

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Speaker 1: players that were in concussion protocol stemming from the last

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Speaker 1: game against the Jets. It's been quite some time, but

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Speaker 1: everybody responds differently. Of course, to the process. So in

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Speaker 1: terms of the latest they feel optimistic about Sterling Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: Nate Soldier and Generous Jenkins. All three are in concussion protocol. Still,

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Speaker 1: we got to be clear, but I think that there

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Speaker 1: is a sense of optimism Paul that by the end

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Speaker 1: of the week, hopefully at least two, if not all

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Speaker 1: of them, could be cleared and ready to go for

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Speaker 1: Sunday's game. Well, the reason you say that is because

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Speaker 1: all three guys have been out on the practice field

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Speaker 1: running around and at least doing something in their shells.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to that level through the multi step

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Speaker 1: protocol process unless you're getting closer. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: Redd Ellison is still on the side with the trainers

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Speaker 1: and he's the fourth one. He's in the protocol, but

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Speaker 1: as coach Schrmer said today, much less likely that he's

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Speaker 1: going to get cleared at the next level of testing,

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Speaker 1: which is going to be tomorrow on Friday. So take

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Speaker 1: it for what it's worth. Three guys are looking optimistic,

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Speaker 1: one guy maybe not so much, and of course still

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Speaker 1: on the side today. Disappointing to hear, but every Ingram

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Speaker 1: he was really hoping to accelerate his return. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: spoke to the media earlier in the week, and at

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Speaker 1: that time, Paul he indicated it was a two to

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Speaker 1: four week injury from the get go, and on Monday

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Speaker 1: he was two weeks removed from when he suffered the

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Speaker 1: midfoot spring. But just listening to him at that point

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Speaker 1: when he spoke to the media earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: I got the sense that the progress he was looking

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Speaker 1: the latter part of the week. I still he was

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Speaker 1: a long shot, though, But did you still get the

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Speaker 1: sense that play on Sunday Sea Because I still got

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Speaker 1: the sense that he was very fifty fifty about actually playing.

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Speaker 1: I got the sense that he was hoping, against hope,

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Speaker 1: that it would be possible that if he got on

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Speaker 1: the practice field by no later than Thursday. He used

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Speaker 1: the words midweek. To me, midweek is Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: Saturday is late week. Because you want to go by

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Speaker 1: the NFL practice schedule, of course, so Wednesday's the first

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Speaker 1: I considered midweek also to be Thursday. He really was

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Speaker 1: chance to be considered for the Bears game. Do I

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Speaker 1: think it was a long shot. Yes, I've always thought

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Speaker 1: it was a long shot, But I do believe that

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Speaker 1: he was hoping against hope that it could happen. Without

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Speaker 1: him on the practice field. Today, I'd say his odds

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Speaker 1: have just decreased immeasurably. Yeah, I would agree with you.

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Speaker 1: And that's the gist of really what the injury report

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Speaker 1: is at this point. Now, that means heading into Sunday's game, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're down Evan Ingram and you're down red Ellison

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Speaker 1: Paul okay, Well what does that mean for the tight

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Speaker 1: end position. Well, they did bring back Scott Simons in

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Speaker 1: so they have him back in the mix. Remember, he

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Speaker 1: certain of ount of time until you can then resign

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Speaker 1: two most significant receiving threats. I would say Paul at

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Speaker 1: having those additional receiving threats, I think is one way

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Speaker 1: another way to do that would be to play a

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Speaker 1: lot more of the fullback. As your Penny, you could

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Speaker 1: the Giants do a lot of, but it would certainly

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Speaker 1: be an option. And let's not forget Kaden Smith is

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Speaker 1: also on the roster as one of the three active

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Speaker 1: tight ends that they'll take into the game, and I

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Speaker 1: know they do like him a lot, even though he

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Speaker 1: I tend to lean more towards going with Elijah Penny

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Speaker 1: certainly explore a greater usage of the fullback anyway, regardless

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Speaker 1: Penny has proven he could catch the ball in the

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Speaker 1: So it's not as if if you're the Giants and

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Speaker 1: you decided to play Penny, you have to say to yourself,

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Speaker 1: we now have to all of a sudden reconfigure our

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Speaker 1: game plan. And this goes back to something that Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer has preached time and time again since he took

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Speaker 1: football pall. It's real simple. They don't just have you

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Speaker 1: You know, he always showed the capacity to catch the

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Speaker 1: least the glimpse of the injury report. Now in terms

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Speaker 1: tired of this storyline. Well, you look at the Bears

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Speaker 1: offensive numbers and you say to yourself, the Chicago offense

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Speaker 1: matchup for the Giants, right, I mean, how many times

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the Chicago offensive numbers, let's

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Speaker 1: the Jets ranked offensively and all of these why would

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Speaker 1: you do this? Well, I'm not trying to parsault into

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Speaker 1: a point to this. There's a point. There's the Giants

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Speaker 1: are not playing well enough to whistle past the graveyard

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Speaker 1: of any NFL. It's that simple. But you don't need

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Speaker 1: to hammer that home. Well I'm gonna hammer at home anyway.

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Speaker 1: So just to appease me here, first ahead, get your

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Speaker 1: what you're normally do any So, the Jets total offense

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Speaker 1: they rank Chicago not much better. Thirty total offense points

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Speaker 1: and twenty nine and rushing offense. Now you laid out

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Speaker 1: no position to overlook anybody. But the reason I'm emphasizing

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Speaker 1: that again, Paul, is we field phone calls on this

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Speaker 1: show on a daily basis. We interact with individuals on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and I constantly here, this is a layup line that

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Speaker 1: should be a winnable game. I'm tired of hearing that.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was emphasized tell you that. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying everybody's telling you that. The interactions I have

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Speaker 1: Twitter audience is really well, hey, if you want to

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Speaker 1: that was you digging deep to originality. Amazing what the

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Speaker 1: don't want to do all right to to make something

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Speaker 1: very clear, Okay, when we looked at the Giants schedule

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? Okay, I will tell you

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Speaker 1: But the original premise and one that I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants front office had going in when John Mara himself said,

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Speaker 1: be talking about competing for a playoff spot in December. Well,

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Speaker 1: be in the playoff conversation, Well, that's not happened. Now

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Speaker 1: that entire blueprint has been thrown into the fireplace, so

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Speaker 1: you can no longer look at any of these teams.

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Speaker 1: just said, well then we are on the same page. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. It has been the get

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Speaker 1: thrived the Bears once again. They're hungry to put together

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Speaker 1: a respectable offensive performance. And here's the thing about Chicago,

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Speaker 1: regardless of their lack luster numbers, they have a lot

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Speaker 1: into a situation where they're just not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to do enough offensively to win. It's the game

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Speaker 1: plan is not hard, and in reality it should not

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Speaker 1: be that difficult to do. But we've seen how many

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Speaker 1: times the Giants plans have have gone aside into into

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Speaker 1: the gut or because they wound up doing a bunch

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Speaker 1: of things that they shouldn't do. Yeah, the Bears have

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Speaker 1: scored twenty or less points in each of their last

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Speaker 1: four games. You know, they've had one pass play this

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Speaker 1: year over forty yards one That's not surprising based on

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Speaker 1: how limited the scoring has been. This is a very

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Speaker 1: beatable team well, and once again by most teams in

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Speaker 1: the league. I would agree with that, correct based on

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Speaker 1: your premise of most teams, however, the Giants are given

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Speaker 1: up a lot of explosive plays. Giants proven that's when

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Speaker 1: it comes to many times, Giants proven show us that

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Speaker 1: you can take advantage of a team that is struggling offensively.

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Speaker 1: That's the big thing here for the Giants. Two zero

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Let's open up the phone lines as we move along

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Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Just reminder is brought

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Speaker 1: more details. We've got Joe in Pennsylvania. He starts us

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Speaker 1: off on Thursday's edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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Speaker 1: What's happened to Joe? Let's happen. Let's go Giants. This

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Speaker 1: is a new season. Now we got our break, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Here we have time to catch

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Speaker 1: our breath and look at all our goofy mistakes and

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Speaker 1: whatnot we've been doing. You know, let's let's have a

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Speaker 1: discipline game this time. Can le if receivers are running

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Speaker 1: free and uh you know we're they're they're running stunts

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Speaker 1: on us again and and we're lost than just getting beat.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very upset if we get beat by Okay,

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Speaker 1: because because they were better than us. Okay, but they better.

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Speaker 1: They had plenty of time to know their book. This happened. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's see when we play Thursday night again. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: did not forget who we played next. Yeah, the Monday

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Speaker 1: night game against the Cowboys. You're talking about our Monday

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Speaker 1: night night, but then not was it Monday? I thought

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Speaker 1: we played a Thursday night Cowboys. Was Monday. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you to be perfectly frank with you, fak of

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Speaker 1: of how positive the Giants fan base felt after that

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Speaker 1: loss to the Patriots, because they had shown they could

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Speaker 1: play with New England down by a touchdown after three

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Speaker 1: quarters right there in that game, had done so many

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Speaker 1: things well to stifle Brady and end that offense, and

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Speaker 1: then in the fourth quarter they wore down, they got

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Speaker 1: beat And since that time, I have to I have

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Speaker 1: to say, to be totally honest, fellas, it's just been

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Speaker 1: disappointment after disappointment. They haven't played to that level that

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Speaker 1: they did against New England once since that game. Well,

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Speaker 1: they better played discipline and no their assignments. Because I'll

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Speaker 1: be very upset Lance you would. John, we're talking the

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Speaker 1: other day. I didn't get the chime in on you're

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Speaker 1: running down all the offensive stats and the defensive stats

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Speaker 1: when we ranked and what's causing all that? And you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, time of possession and where we

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Speaker 1: are in scoring and everything. You know, we're at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the chart on everything and turnovers. And I

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Speaker 1: think the main thing, or comes down to simple again

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Speaker 1: is running the football and stopping to run. My gosh,

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Speaker 1: look at what the Jets with four guys they had

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Speaker 1: up there, that they controlled our our line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: there and stopping to run. Uh, really, we kind of

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Speaker 1: be able to run the ball a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: that's putting Daniel Jones. We're always down by fourteen or

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Speaker 1: something like that having to throw the ball and they

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Speaker 1: disrespect our run or just flour guys can handle it

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Speaker 1: and everybody body else is back there and they can

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Speaker 1: blitz when they want to sneak up on us. That's

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Speaker 1: the main thing. We just gotta be able to run

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Speaker 1: the football. I don't know where you just come up

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Speaker 1: with all the numbers Pro Football Focus and that our

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen, where are they rank in blocking? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Who who are are we so weak

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Speaker 1: that five six of us with tight ends and that

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Speaker 1: can handle four guys up front to get a few

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Speaker 1: yards here and there with with with the running back

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Speaker 1: we have what what what's the story there, Joe? Look,

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Speaker 1: just to put it simply, over the last month or so,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line is how its problems. They came out

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Speaker 1: well that first month of the season. I thought they

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Speaker 1: were at least at least middle of the pack, if

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Speaker 1: not better. Since that time they have had their troubles.

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Speaker 1: There's no question, well, well who why is it so short?

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Speaker 1: And now the guy that filled in last week or so,

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Speaker 1: they said he did a decent job. So that's what

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Speaker 1: you're talking a yeah, Nick's gates. What now was he

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Speaker 1: doing a better job and run blocking or so than

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Speaker 1: um uh? The guy that got hurt Sa Kwan Barkley

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Speaker 1: had thirteen carries in one yard. So I mean to

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Speaker 1: say anybody did to say anybody did a greater job.

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Speaker 1: Four guys dominating us up front and then you have

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Speaker 1: seven back there for the past or they can sneak

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Speaker 1: blitz in on us anytime. That's the problem. We should

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Speaker 1: be able to run on floor up front, and the

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Speaker 1: same thing. I want our defense to be like that

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Speaker 1: with their mules we have upfront. I want our four

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Speaker 1: guys up front to the Giants. The Giants rushed defense

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Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call, Joe, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: weighing in. Did a good job against the Jets. I

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Speaker 1: mean the Jets didn't pound the football. Bolt team struggled,

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Speaker 1: So you know that to me is not necessarily a

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Speaker 1: huge issue. Yes, there's been some games this season where

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Speaker 1: you look at Ezekiel Elliott, you look at what the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals did on the ground, the Vikings with Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: It's been up and down. But the Jets game, the

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Speaker 1: Giants were solid in terms of stopping the running containing bells,

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Speaker 1: So that to me is not a big concern. Yes, Paul, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the Giants need to rushed the football better. I mean

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Speaker 1: they've dropped now. You know, this was a team that

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Speaker 1: was averaging over a hundred yards per game and now

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Speaker 1: they're at ninety four, tied for twelve. Their yardage per

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Speaker 1: carry has gone down from over five yards per carry

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Speaker 1: to out four point four. I've read you what Barkley

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Speaker 1: did against the Jets. Yeah, I mean that to me

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Speaker 1: is the best way to protect your quarterback and also

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Speaker 1: set up manageable third downs, which has also been an

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Speaker 1: issue for the Giants disease. I think the only thing

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Speaker 1: I'd want to add, and I want to correct Joe

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Speaker 1: here he said the Jets stopped the Giants run game

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Speaker 1: all day with four. That's not true. The Jets were

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Speaker 1: blitzing a lot. They were sending their backers. They were

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Speaker 1: sending Jamal Adams that he was saving the blitz. I

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Speaker 1: mean they were filling gaps with a fifth and sixth

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Speaker 1: and seventh defender a lot in that game. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the numbers for you offhand. I you know, put

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Speaker 1: it this way, okay, the Giants tendencies and the stats

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Speaker 1: prove it out. I'm not telling you anything. You probably

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Speaker 1: don't know. The Giants preferred or well a ball straight

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Speaker 1: ahead more than they want to run the ball outside.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way the facts are. I'm not telling you,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, anything that's a surprise. I'm not giving

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Speaker 1: away a scouting report. The numbers show that the Giants

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Speaker 1: tend to run the ball between the guards more than

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Speaker 1: any other place when they take it down field. So

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Speaker 1: what happens Teams decide they're going to just send extra

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Speaker 1: guys into the a gap between the center and the guard,

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Speaker 1: and when they blitz. They're gonna send those guys straight

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Speaker 1: up into the gut and they're gonna force Barkley to

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Speaker 1: run into a brick wall. What was the number that

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Speaker 1: I saw in thirteen of those carries, eleven times he

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Speaker 1: was hit behind the line scrimmage. I mean, well, how

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Speaker 1: about this seventeen carries as a team in the Jets game,

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Speaker 1: they only had twenty three yards. Nine of those seventeen

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Speaker 1: carries were runs for no gain or negative yards. So

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Speaker 1: whether it was Barkley or not, I mean that says

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Speaker 1: a lot. Do you had a negative four run, a

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Speaker 1: negative three run, a negative to run, a negative one run,

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Speaker 1: and five runs for no game. But rather than talk

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Speaker 1: about at that Jets game, but you really need to

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Speaker 1: be talking about what's gonna happen with the Bears, because

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Speaker 1: he is right about one thing. The Giants do need

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Speaker 1: to pound the ball against Chicago, and that's got to

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Speaker 1: be a willpower kind of thing where every one of

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Speaker 1: those guys needs to know man on man, hat on

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Speaker 1: hat and I'm going to drive block him backwards. That

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Speaker 1: it's a mentality. Yeah, But the Bears have a respectable

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Speaker 1: Russian defense, their eighth in the league, So you know,

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Speaker 1: you're going up against a challenging front. You're going up

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Speaker 1: against a physical front. And you know what has happened

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Speaker 1: in the last few matchups, Paul, when they've gone up

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Speaker 1: against I don't want to say all pro caliber pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: but at least the team that's got one guy Chandler

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Speaker 1: Jones wrecked the game right late. Is that fair? Would

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Speaker 1: you agree Trey Flowers wrecked the game? I would say that.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got Khalil Mack. So we've been even with

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You can argue, you know, Michael Bennett tiedoff late,

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Speaker 1: Rob Quinn. So the problem with the Giants is they've

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Speaker 1: been challenged by solid pass rushers and by the time

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Speaker 1: you get to the fourth quarter, those guys have wreaked

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Speaker 1: havoc and made a lot of noise and have added

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Speaker 1: the exclamation point. What what did the great Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: do in that game last year? I'm just asking. I'd

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Speaker 1: have to go back and look off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head. I did not go back to you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you he was really a non factor in

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Speaker 1: the game. Just just I mean, the Giants had some

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Speaker 1: big explosive plays in that game. Okay, Odell Beckham had

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Speaker 1: the past play. If memory serves, Khalil max line was

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Speaker 1: five tackles. He did have one sack. It was it

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Speaker 1: was for him a quote pedestrian game. He did not

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Speaker 1: wreck the game. I'm just saying he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: wreck the game. No he doesn't. He hasn't really wrecked

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Speaker 1: many games this year. Well, I said, he only had

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Speaker 1: five and a sacks. But the Bears also the type

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Speaker 1: of team where they're relying on Mac getting double and

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Speaker 1: triple team this season to open up opportunities for guys

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Speaker 1: like Leonard Floyd and some of their other players up front.

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Speaker 1: So the question is, even if you do focus your

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Speaker 1: attention on Khalil McKim. Mike Schula, by the way, spoke

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Speaker 1: to the media today. You know he chuckled because he

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Speaker 1: knows he's stating the obvious. He said, Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: guy we gotta pay close attention to. So then the

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Speaker 1: question becomes, Paul, So, let's say you take care of

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Speaker 1: business against Mac and you put all your attention there

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Speaker 1: and your chip and your block, however you want to

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Speaker 1: go about it, are you now on the opposite side

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Speaker 1: winning your one on one battles with Leonard Floyd. You

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Speaker 1: know that to me is the biggest question because that's

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Speaker 1: half the battle. Half the battle is to keep Matt quiet. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: can you contain Leonard Floyd on a one on one matchup?

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Speaker 1: Because we've seen this season guys are not winning their

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Speaker 1: one on one battles and as a result, you know,

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Speaker 1: the opposing defense is getting those sacks laid in games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Jets game fair enough, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's the thing. The blueprint to win

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Speaker 1: this game isn't very hard to construct. It's all about

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Speaker 1: getting it done, execute, Just do it, Just do it.

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Speaker 1: You You have the bodies and the talent to win

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Speaker 1: this game. The blueprint is not hard. Sometimes the blueprint

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Speaker 1: is hard. The blueprint is not hard this week, but

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Speaker 1: you've got to go out there and do it. Two three,

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Speaker 1: Marcel is in South Jersey. Marcel, Welcome to Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. What do you got for us? All right, guys?

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Speaker 1: First off, call a long time listener. The A couple

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Speaker 1: of quick points that I wanted to hit on this

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Speaker 1: is that everybody wants to run Pat Shermer out the

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Speaker 1: Uh how do those out of the team? And he

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Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Um, Tom Conflin when they

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Speaker 1: you know, when he finally adjusted that offseason and eased up. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for Pat Sherman to take this bye week

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Speaker 1: and kind of look at like, all right, I need

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Speaker 1: to go back and look at the things that I

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Speaker 1: might not have been doing right. Um. I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to watch some NFL network and they were talking

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Speaker 1: how in Baltimore they kind of basically tailored, uh, the

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Speaker 1: offense behind Armies and wake Forest's offense because they went

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Speaker 1: down there and they talked to the coaches. UM. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that they have to do that for sake

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Speaker 1: Kwon Bartley, but it would be nice for them to

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Speaker 1: take a couple of pages out of James Franklin's playbook possibly, Um,

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Speaker 1: and to speak on your point about the blueprint to

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Speaker 1: the game. Uh, it's absolutely true is running the football.

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Speaker 1: But the question is, like you guys said with the

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Speaker 1: turnover battle, is when you get that turnover And I've

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Speaker 1: noticed I noticed that the Detroit game, when we got

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Speaker 1: that turnover, we didn't do anything with it instead of

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Speaker 1: going for it on fourth down, because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like an extra series or extra possession. I would have

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Speaker 1: rather seen Patchmer go for it to say, all right, listen,

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Speaker 1: I trust my offense put up points. Like that's the

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Speaker 1: type of gusta that I don't see from Sherman. And

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you know, eventually, you know, sooner than later.

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Speaker 1: He says, like, all right, I have no you know,

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Speaker 1: risk it, no biscuit pipe deal for lack of better terms. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the game. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: know if there's gonna be inclement weather. No, it's supposed

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: to be mid thirties and clear, alright, Because I was

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Speaker 1: thinking they have they have kicking trouble. So the person

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Speaker 1: on them, by getting up and getting some points and

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Speaker 1: possibly having their kicker have to kick a late tying

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Speaker 1: field goal or go ahead field goal, that our path

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Speaker 1: to possibly winning well. In fairness. In fairness, Marcel, the

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Speaker 1: Giants have also had their fair share of kicking issues

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Speaker 1: too over the last few weeks. So you know, if

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Speaker 1: you want to pinpoint the Bears troubles, you've had you know,

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Speaker 1: extra point issues and then rose House missed the field goal.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I would say both teams right now

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Speaker 1: don't want any bad weather because both teams have yet

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Speaker 1: to prove consistency in the kicking game. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Giants are There's only five teams in this league that

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Speaker 1: have fewer takeaways than the Giants defense does. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you could say all you want about you know, Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer's offensive philosophy following a turnover, but they're not getting

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Speaker 1: a whole ton of turnovers to begin with, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know that that's really irrelevant point to be Well,

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, and Marcel appreciate the phone call,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for chiming in, is you've got to

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Speaker 1: be able to do something with the takeaways. That's my

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Speaker 1: bigger pull, getting enough takeaways to begin well. But even

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Speaker 1: the limited ones that they've had, they're not capitalizing on.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the way that I view the takeaways.

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Speaker 1: And John and I had this conversation a great detail

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Speaker 1: on Monday. You know, takeaways are great time and possession

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Speaker 1: is great. I'll rehash what I said, but Paul, if

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Speaker 1: you don't do anything with it, it's a meaningless irrelevant statistics.

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Speaker 1: So you took the ball away twelve times, Okay, show

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Speaker 1: me what you did with him. Did you return it

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown? Did you get into the red zone

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Speaker 1: and score. Did you settle for field goals? And you know?

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Speaker 1: That to me is what the Giants need to start doing.

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Speaker 1: Even with the limited opportunities, they have to be able

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Speaker 1: to punch it in as far as the you know,

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Speaker 1: creativity or welcoming in other ideas on offense, the caller

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Speaker 1: brought up the Baltimore Ravens. You know, Greg Roman is

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator. He was with San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: He wore with Alex Smith, he worked with Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 1: He's worked with other mobile quarterbacks. So while yes, they

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Speaker 1: may have talked to some other college coaches, to me,

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Speaker 1: the reason why Lamar Jackson is thriving is your offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator in Baltimore has worked with a lot of mobile

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who were good runners. And I think that is

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Speaker 1: why Baltimore is clicking. I don't think it's so much

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Speaker 1: as you know, John Harbond, Greg Roman met with a

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Speaker 1: few college coaches and then they snapped their fingers and

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Speaker 1: now everything is clicking. It's more of the experience of

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Speaker 1: the o C and Shermer has been with a variety

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. He's been with a variety of offenses to

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Speaker 1: say that they need to consult James Franklin and what

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Speaker 1: Penn State did to get s Kwon Barkley going. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a bit of a stretch. Barkley had success

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Speaker 1: last season, and to me, it starts and ends with

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Speaker 1: the blocking and the trenches and the execution, and it

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Speaker 1: just has not been as consistent this season. Let's head

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Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Jay is in Charleston. Jay,

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Speaker 1: welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you got

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Speaker 1: for us? Okay, what's on your mind? Hey? I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask the question and state, uh something about

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Speaker 1: the Dames, gentleman. But my first question is, uh, is

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Speaker 1: it not a way to get se Kwon Barkley the

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Speaker 1: ball and space more unique ways to get sae Kwon

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Speaker 1: Barkley the ball? I mean, if you look at the Saints,

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Speaker 1: the way they use, especially last year, the way they

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Speaker 1: use Alban Kamara and the panther is the way they

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Speaker 1: use Christian McCaffrey. I mean, why don't we use sake

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Speaker 1: Won Barkley a little more like that one game early

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Speaker 1: in the season that I think I get said Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: It was the first game of the season. Eli Manner

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Speaker 1: was playing um se Kwon Barkley ran like a wheel

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Speaker 1: route from the backfield, and instead of Eli Manning throwing

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Speaker 1: it out in front of him where he could run

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Speaker 1: underneath and catch it and get some yards, he throws

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Speaker 1: it in the flat like right where Sikewon Barkley is standing,

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Speaker 1: and so Fakewon Barkley right when he was about to throw,

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Speaker 1: He's about to take off, like give it to me downtown,

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Speaker 1: and he for whatever reason, you know, I'm handing through

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Speaker 1: behind them, like is there? Can we not find it

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Speaker 1: in the offensive line? Like do we not have a

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Speaker 1: good offensive line? Pork? Do we not have any other ways?

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Speaker 1: By space more efficiently? Is more unique? Well, they ran

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Speaker 1: the screenplay against the Cowboys where he picked up over

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Speaker 1: sixty yards, so you know that was one way they

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Speaker 1: got him out in open space. There was a play

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Speaker 1: against the Lions where you know, he ran a slant

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, you know, bobbled the ball a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Probably could have gained even more if you recall on

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Speaker 1: that play, and he sort of tripped up on his

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Speaker 1: own footing. So that's another play to me that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind where they got him out in open space.

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Speaker 1: You referred to the wheel route if memory serves me correctly,

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Speaker 1: when they played the Texans last year, a game they

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Speaker 1: won on the road, Barkley was the one that converted

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Speaker 1: a big wheel route on a third down where Eli

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Speaker 1: threw it up to him and he made the play

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Speaker 1: on a defensive back. So I think that they've picked

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Speaker 1: their points to try to emphasize sa Kwan Barkley as

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Speaker 1: a receiver. I don't think that they haven't done, you know, anything,

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Speaker 1: could they do more? Absolutely? I mean, given the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know the offense wants some injection of consistency,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. But I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to pick their points to capitalize on his ability. I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes it's the defense that's honed in on him,

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Speaker 1: and you got to look at it from that standpoint. Listen,

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Speaker 1: most teams right now they go up against the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Giants have had a variety of different wide

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Speaker 1: receivers in the lineup. Evan Ingram has been in out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup, and Barkley himself has been in out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup. But when Barkley's been healthy, and Barkley's

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Speaker 1: admitted this when he spoken to the media, they have

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Speaker 1: stacked the box they've basically said, Daniel Jones is gonna

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Speaker 1: have to beat us because we're not going to allow

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Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley to beat us. So I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of that is the defense is saying we're not

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Speaker 1: going to allow the Giants to get creative with say

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Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley because we're gonna have a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: his way. And that's why Daniel Jones has had to

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Speaker 1: involve the Darius Slayton's and so forth, and to his credit,

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Speaker 1: they've made some plays and they're gonna have to continue

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Speaker 1: to do that. It's funny because say Kwon Barkley just

802
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Speaker 1: talked at his locker right before we started this program

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Speaker 1: and he laughed at the at the notion that so

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Speaker 1: many people criticized Eli Manning for dumping the ball down

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Speaker 1: to him when he had ndy one receptions last year.

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Speaker 1: And now Barkley is getting questions and so is Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer about why isn't say Kwan Barkley catching more balls

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Speaker 1: and what what is part of the reason, Well, because

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00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: the Giants are going more downfield. Daniel Jones is throwing

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00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: the ball Moll downfield, He's looking for Slayton downfield. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's looking for Ted, He's looking for Ingram, and Barkley

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Speaker 1: is like, yeah, okay, you see the problem here. They

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Speaker 1: they they ripped into Eli forgetting the ball to me,

814
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Speaker 1: you know, when we have the opportunity to get the checkdowns.

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Speaker 1: And now people are saying, well, why aren't we getting

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00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: the ball to me and on the short range stuff anymore?

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Speaker 1: And so it's laughable how the critics quickly forget what

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Speaker 1: it is that they criticized yesterday because they gotta find

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00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: something new to criticize today. And appreciate the phone call,

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Speaker 1: j thanks so much for weighing in here. Two zero

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Speaker 1: one three, Lance Metal, Paulatino with you here Thursdays and

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Speaker 1: they shot a big blue kick off live, let's head

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Speaker 1: back to the lines. Is in Columbia, Maryland Land. What's happening, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: New York Giants for Chicago Bears. Oh my goodness. Anybody

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Speaker 1: that's got a sense of history and it's interested in

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Speaker 1: the history a hundred year history of the NFL which

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Speaker 1: they're playing up. I suspect that there will be a

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Speaker 1: lot of references to this on the TV broadcast on

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. This is this is just just a great

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Speaker 1: rivalry and it's probably one of those early rivalries that

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Speaker 1: you know, without the Giants and the Bears, the league

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00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: never would have made it. Two original teams, never would

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Speaker 1: have made it. And you know, it's really fun for

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Speaker 1: Mellen when when I see these two teams play and

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Speaker 1: they've got the old style uniforms on. You know, it

836
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: was a little different when when the Sims and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Giants played the Bears and they had the Giants on

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Speaker 1: the helmet. I I always wanted to see the n

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Speaker 1: Y on the helmet because that to me, HARKing back

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Speaker 1: to the nostalgia that you're talking about. Yes, wow, there's

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Speaker 1: just just some yeah, you know, you don't have to

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00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: go back very far, but I mean when you start

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Speaker 1: back into the sixties and the even even you know,

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Speaker 1: the parcels, the eighties and you know, going into Chicago

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs and the landetam missed with the punt.

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Speaker 1: Just some great moments in this rivalry that I mean,

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00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: without this rivalry, you don't have a leak. Hey, let

848
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Speaker 1: me let me so, I'm I'm kind of looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the game from from that from you know, from

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Speaker 1: that standpoint kind of uh, just just honoring these these

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Speaker 1: two great great franchises and and and the history of

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00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: the game. I'm trying to take it in this year,

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00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: trying to take it in. Um, you know, here's here's

854
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Speaker 1: a number for you. You you guys have kind of

855
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: skirted around this a little bit in in your you know,

856
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: and you talk today, not that you've done anything wrong.

857
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: But last Sunday night, you know, I watched a little

858
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: bit of a game. I didn't watch much, and I

859
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: haven't gone back and looked at the tape, but I

860
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: did look at let me call at the box score.

861
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I didn't look at the box score. Khalil Mack played

862
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: I think fifty place. He had nothing across the board.

863
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: He had he didn't even have an unassisted tackle. I mean,

864
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: you don't have to be Khalil Khalil Mack. You play

865
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: fifty plays on defense, you think by accident you would

866
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: get credit for an assistant tackle? What is anything? What

867
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: did the Rams do well? He's getting double and triple

868
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: team the lot this season. Teams are trying to take

869
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: him out of the game. Seven snaps, forty seven snaps

870
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: and he was shut out forty seven stamps. Okay, what

871
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I say, I said forty seven snacks and he got

872
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: shut out. Yeah, there's nothing. I mean, that's amazing, right,

873
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: So you know it's the Belichick thing, take the best

874
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: player out of the game. And I guess that's how

875
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: you do it. You know, you block them and let

876
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: the orchis beat us. You know you heard say that.

877
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't know whether we can do that or not,

878
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: but I just I looked at it and I said, no, no,

879
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: that's got to be a misprint. You heard Land say

880
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: he's only got five and a half sacks on the season,

881
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: And I can tell you right now from look can

882
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: get his game by game log, he's been shut out

883
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: six times from the sack column. Wow, I know, I know. Ye. Well,

884
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: well maybe the thinking and I'm maybe it's an off

885
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: year too, but I like Lances, you know, answer maybe

886
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: a little better. Teams are just saying, okay, if we

887
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: can get him, you know, he's the game changer. If

888
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: we can neutralize him, we can we can beat the

889
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: rest of that defense. I don't know. It's going to

890
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they play it. On Sunday. Listen, Um,

891
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about the run game, and I

892
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: agree with everything that you said. About what we gotta

893
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: do Sunday. All the call is having uh you know,

894
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: and you know frustration from Joe about you know, why

895
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: couldn't we run against the Jets and so forth? And

896
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: I know this is getting old, and I know you're

897
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, here we go here, here, here's len again.

898
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: Here's look, guys, when you play a three or four defense, Lance,

899
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: you know where I'm going with us. You gotta get

900
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: the nose tackle blocked. If you can't. If that Goldman

901
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: he's a good player, he's a good player. Yeah. If

902
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: if he starts pushing our center whoever it is, on Sunday,

903
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: if he starts pushing that center back into the backfield

904
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: one on one, we're dead in the water. We're gonna

905
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: be talking on Monday morning, Lance or Monday afternoon, Lance.

906
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about what's wrong. What's the quin

907
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: It must be the ankle, it's his ankles. He's not

908
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: the same player, Joe. If you listen, the key is

909
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: get No. We haven't done well against three or four teams.

910
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: I think that's another historical trend that we could look

911
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: at the last four or five years. We have not

912
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: played well against three or four teams. But this week, um,

913
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: I think it's wrapped up in that matchup. If we

914
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean Mac and Floyd and then the other guys

915
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: are gonna go crazy. We gotta do a decent job

916
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: on Goldman. Sorry to bore you, start to bore you

917
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: with the over and over stuff, but that's the key

918
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: to the running game. It looks like Halapio will be

919
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: the center. By the way, I mean he's been back

920
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: at practice. It will be Paul. Yeah, well he's been

921
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: back at practice, back in the the guys who worked hard,

922
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: and you know, he got back from this little injury thing.

923
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: He deserves to get the starting you know, the starting

924
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: shop back again, and uh, you know, hopefully he can

925
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully he can handle that guy. All right, Hey, I'm

926
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: looking forward to Sunday. Like somebody said, I forget what

927
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: caller it was. You know, new season. Everybody's excited, and

928
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: I'm right in there with him. Let's go Giants. Let's

929
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: let's come on, let's win a football game, especially against

930
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Ay, thanks for appreciate the phone call.

931
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: I had to ruin his day. But the Giants are

932
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: averaging three point three yards per carry you and running

933
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: the ball directly up the middle not working out so well. Yeah,

934
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: but I think there is a validity behind the fact that,

935
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, pressure from the interior off the opposition has

936
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: wreaked some havoc and that's also I think allowed some

937
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: of these edge rushers to get home, because if you're

938
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: not protecting in the interior of the pocket, it collapses

939
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, late in games,

940
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Trey Flowers, all these other guys that we

941
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: talked about, and even Jamal Adams to a certain degree

942
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: are finding crevices and ways to write games. By the way,

943
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: you know another name that we didn't throw out, Roy

944
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Robertson Harris, who is a starting defensive ends for the

945
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Bears because a Kiem Hicks has been placed on i

946
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: R this season. You know, he's another guy that has

947
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: capitalized off of the attention that Khalil Mack has received. So,

948
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, all of these other names that may not

949
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: appear to be Pro Bowl household guys, you gotta be

950
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: careful and you gotta be cautious about because the Bears

951
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: mentality this season has been you could try to take

952
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: Kalil Mack out of the game. We're gonna then hope

953
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: to capitalize on our one on one battles, and I

954
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: would not sleep on the Bears defense, regardless of whether

955
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: or not their numbers are not in sync with where

956
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: they were last season. Let's head back to the lines

957
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and we check in with Merrill, who's in Manchester, New Jersey. Merrill,

958
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: what's happened? Gentleman's next thing? My call number one, number two.

959
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: Appreciate the job you guys do. A couple of have

960
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of comments that require a little bit of

961
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: back feet here. I watched sake Kwan Barkley all through college,

962
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: and you compare him to any of the big running

963
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: backs of the NFL years ago, and he's doing a

964
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: great job. You've got to give him the first two

965
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: three yards with a little hole. There's gonna be a

966
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: little hole to him to run through if he going

967
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: straight up the middle. Once you do that, he's a

968
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: freight train. Another thing, we have an offensive coordinator. Why

969
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: don't sure Pat Sherman. Sherman making all the calls. Well,

970
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: thank you, we appreciate the phone call. Meryl. Thanks so

971
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: much for the phone call. I mean, this has been

972
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: a topic we've delved into multip times Paul on this

973
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: show about you know Pat Shermer, he's the head coach,

974
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: why does he also called the plays? First of all,

975
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: he's not the only head coach in the NFL, so

976
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: it's not as if Shermer's on an island. He was

977
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: asked a lot about that during the bye weekend. Made

978
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: it very clear that he is not giving up play calling,

979
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: and part of his rationale was the offense is moving

980
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: the football and they've been able to put points on

981
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: the board. I haven't been able to always close out

982
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: games strongly, but he feels as if they're doing enough

983
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: on offense that there's no reason for him to surrender

984
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: the play calling. This is another thing that I threw out.

985
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: The whole point of them hiring Pat Shermer was because

986
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: of what he did in his previous stints, specifically with

987
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: the Vikings. And if you bring in a coach and

988
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: part of the appeal Paul is him as a play caller,

989
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: then what is the purpose of him then coming to

990
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: your team and then saying, here the responsibility that I

991
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: did elsewhere, I'm not giving it to another guy. So

992
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: that I think is another part of the reason why

993
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: He's in no position to give up the play calling

994
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: and that's something that once again I don't see changing.

995
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Mike Schula to the Cahler's point is the offensive coordinator

996
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: is also the quarterbacks coach. Mike Schula called plays to

997
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers during their Super Bowl run. He's got

998
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: more than enough experience to take on that role. But

999
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer is gonna be the play caller moving forward.

1000
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: And I don't see those dynamics Paul changing at all.

1001
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: There's been no indication that they're gonna head into different

1002
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: r It certainly won't change this season. Yeah. So, I

1003
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: mean it's a conversation maybe for a later time, but uh,

1004
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: no substance or validity behind any of the rumors and

1005
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: so forth. As far as the first caller's point about

1006
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: opening up holes up the gut, Yeah, the whole goal

1007
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like St Kwon Barkley Pole

1008
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: is get him to the second layer of the defense.

1009
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: Because once he gets to the second layer of the

1010
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: defense and he's gonna have those matchups against linebackers and

1011
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: secondary players, he'll take your chances for St. Kwan Barkley

1012
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: to win those battles. The problem the Giants have been

1013
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: running into as you mentioned with the yardage per carry

1014
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: when they run up the gut is he can't get

1015
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: to the second layer of the defense. So if he

1016
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: can't get to the second layer of the defense, he's

1017
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: in no position for those sometimes favorite but one on

1018
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: one matchups. Again, I don't I don't want to belabor

1019
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: this point, but there there are some things they could try,

1020
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: including using pennymore at fullback. I mean, the fullback can

1021
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: help you out in a lot of ways. He can

1022
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: go out and catch passes. He can help plower lane

1023
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: for Barkley. Uh. He can also help and pass protection

1024
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: because if you have a two back set, maybe Barkley

1025
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: goes out and runs into the flat and takes a

1026
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: defender with him, and then if somebody is coming through

1027
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: and gets past your line, or a blitzer happens to

1028
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: be coming in, Penny can pick him up. I mean

1029
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: to me, that would certainly be one of the options

1030
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: if you needed to change things up us the one five,

1031
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: one three Don is in Texas. He joins us on

1032
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening down? Hey, how are

1033
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: you doing? L alright down? We'll tell your mind alright,

1034
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over a couple of things, guys. I

1035
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: know it's the end of the show, so I'll be

1036
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: a little bit quick. Personally, I would rather see Tripitzky

1037
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: and Daniels. That's just my personal opinion. Daniel seems to

1038
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: be a little bit more accurate, and they got a

1039
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: bunch of playmates. Is that you can't fall asleep on.

1040
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: They're pretty good, so you gotta watch out for them.

1041
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: They do have some speed. I'll tell you that they

1042
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: sure do if you do. And what I'm looking for

1043
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: and p Dot, I spoke to you and Russ about

1044
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks ago, what would it take

1045
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: for Shermour to be not the coach next year? And

1046
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: you said something catastrophic and then and I'm just quoting you.

1047
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: I am personally of the belief and I think you

1048
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: know this ready. I'm not a believer that he's going

1049
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: to be back next year. If he is, Okay, if

1050
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: he is, I am looking for something. In the last

1051
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: six games of the season. There there's a couple of

1052
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: things that's showing me that there will be improvement. Now,

1053
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the team is not progressing. Therefore, they're

1054
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: regressing and how they come out in the first quarter

1055
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: of every game as a tell tale sign that one

1056
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: they're ill prepared or to they're not motivated ready to go.

1057
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: Could you imagine a box are coming out in the

1058
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: first round not ready, they can get dropped right in

1059
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: the first round. I want to see that in the

1060
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: first quarter of the last six games. And second, I

1061
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: want to see less big plays like you guys discussed

1062
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: over and over and that will tell me there seems

1063
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: to be some improvement. However, I believe pe Dot it

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00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: will be catastrophic if that continues. Well, it's a fluid situation.

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00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: I there's no question that the Giants front office is

1066
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: trying to gauge where this team is and where they

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00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: are going. And you know, the opinion is always going

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00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: to change based on how fluid the results are and

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00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: how that new information becomes available and then is calculated

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00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: into the equation. I think Pat Charmer himself said to

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00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the media today, coaching is a patient kind of thing.

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: As you're trying to build a winner. You have to

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00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: stay the course, I'm paraphrasing. You have to stay the course,

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00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: go with what you believe in. Understand you've got young players.

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00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to teach these guys what to do.

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00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: You're going to have to continue to teach and teach

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00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: and teach, and hopefully things will work out. But as

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00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: the coach also said himself, the bottom line are the results,

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00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: and as coaches were in the game to win. So

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00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think anybody is playing with the facts,

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00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: are playing with the truth here. Coach Sherman understands how

1082
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: he's going to be judged and graded, as does everybody else.

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00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: And what it comes down to is until the season

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00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: is over and the completed process is in for the season,

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00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: and then obviously that will be two years in the books.

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00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: To make any concrete judgments today would really be unfair

1087
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: and inaccurate because none of us truly know what's going

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00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: to happen in the next six games. And I think

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00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: even you've admitted that, agreed, absolutely do I would like

1090
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: to see before the season ends also, and then I'll

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00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: take the answer off the air, guys. I would like

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: to see them develop an identity, some form of identity,

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: show me something, guys. All right, have a good day. Guys.

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00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: All don't appreciate the call. I mean, I disagree with

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: the point that they're not motivated to play at the

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: beginning of games. First of all, if you need motivation

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: to go out there and play a game, you don't

1098
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: belong in the National Football League, Paull. That's just my

1099
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: personal opinion. They're paid professional athletes. This is their job.

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00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: They're supposed to go out there. That doesn't mean that

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna succeed every time they go out there. But

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00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell me that you need a head

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00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: coach to bang his head against the wall to get

1104
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: you nuts to go out and play a game, I

1105
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: just don't buy that. I don't think that's why they've

1106
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: gotten off too slow starts, and in five of the

1107
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: last six games they have trailed by double digits before

1108
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: they've even put a point on the board. So that

1109
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: has been a trend, But I don't think it's because

1110
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer is not motivating them enough. Let me make

1111
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: something very very very clear. Everybody is being watched closely.

1112
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean as much as the caller wants to say,

1113
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, you want to watch the team in general

1114
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: to see how the coach is getting the team to

1115
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: respond and how the coaches getting the team to improve

1116
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: its play well, every single player is being graded very

1117
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: carefully too, because regardless of what you may remain I

1118
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: think they should do with the coaching staff, there are

1119
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: players on this roster who if they don't show a

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: reason to be back next year, they won't be back,

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00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: or they're scheduled free agents. I mean contient. You know,

1122
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: when when a team is doing what the Giants are

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: doing and they're putting this on tape right now and

1124
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: struggling as they are, just as what we've seen over

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: the last two seasons prior to this, there will be

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 1: overturned or should I say turn turnover, flip that around.

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: There will be an overturned roster or it turned over

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: roster that actually works both ways, doesn't It does to

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: a certain degree. I'll give you the brownie points for

1130
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: a recovery. They're just trying to hold up. But but

1131
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: that's the point. Okay, that's the point. If it's a

1132
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: production oriented business, well, that means anybody who was not

1133
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: getting it done, players included, is going to be subject

1134
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: to some type of action, which may mean you're not here. Yeah,

1135
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: all players, all coaches are being put under the microscope.

1136
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: I think you can say that from most coaching staffs,

1137
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: whether you're a five hundred team, you're a below five

1138
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: hundred team. I think most people understand who have been

1139
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: in the industry. As far as the takeaway for the

1140
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: final six games, yeah, I don't know necessarily if you

1141
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: need bold statements to be made. I think you want

1142
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: to see consistency out of this group. I think you

1143
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: want to see the turnovers be cleaned up. You know,

1144
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: those are the types of signs of progression that you

1145
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: want to see. But here's the one thing I will

1146
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: point to. Don't think that just because you see things

1147
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: in the last three or four games that that then

1148
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: is indicative of what is going to then kick off

1149
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. One of the falsehoods to me in

1150
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: football on any level is that how you finish one

1151
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: season is an indication of how you start the other.

1152
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: And we get caught up in well, you know, if

1153
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: they have a strong finish, then this is gonna be

1154
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: something they're gonna carry over months upon months later after

1155
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: they go through O T A S the roster changes.

1156
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: You're convinced that how they play in week seventeen is

1157
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: going to indicate what they're gonna do in Week one.

1158
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't buy in to that narrative. I'm

1159
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: not saying that anybody's wrong for holding onto that. I

1160
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: just don't think that it's proven consistently over NFL time,

1161
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: in which how you play in week seventeen, then you

1162
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: just carry it over and take it into you with

1163
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: week one. So yeah, you want to see signs of progress,

1164
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: but remember, if Shermer comes back, he may be well

1165
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: working with a roster that looks somewhat differently, Paul, than

1166
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: how it looks like right now, because of your point

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: that rosters time over. So that gets back to my

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: premise of Okay, so if you see some things, if

1169
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: you see an identity to the Cohler's point, there's no

1170
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: guarantee that a lot of those guys that they're building

1171
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: that identity with are gonna be back on the roster

1172
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: again next year. So I just don't know how much

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you can truly take away from these next six. Final thought.

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00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: At the end of the two thousand fourteen season, the

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00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: Giant Cuneli Manning made a statement game when they beat

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00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at the end of that season, after

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: lie who would come in for Kurt Warner, had lost

1178
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: every prior start. But then Eli, as a young player,

1179
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: made a statement game and said, you guys are gonna

1180
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: hear from me. I'm stepping up. He made that statement

1181
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: at the following year the Giants who eleven and five

1182
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: and went to the playoffs. That's what you want to

1183
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: see two four, two thousand four. The one thing you

1184
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: can see and the carryover you can see is when

1185
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: these younger players, these first or second year players, are

1186
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: able to have a statement game that says, you know what,

1187
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not that newbie anymore. I'm not that guy who's

1188
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: apt to make those mental mistakes anymore. I've arrived. I'm

1189
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: a player, I'm reaching my potential. I am what you

1190
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be. I am what you

1191
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 1: drafted me for. And it starts now. When you see

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: those young players make statement games at the end of

1193
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: the season. That's important because now that's something that you

1194
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: might be able to hang your hat on going into

1195
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: the next season as a player, more individually as a team,

1196
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 1: but as a player. That's what you want to see

1197
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: out of some of these young players in the next

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: few weeks. I think that carries more weight than the

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