1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: All right, so, uh, Clay Holmes Little late night Magic 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: on Friday. This is not the former New York Yankee 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: everyone's been waiting for, but Clay Holmes three years, thirty 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: nine million dollars as reported by Jeff Passon. We're here 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: to give you our instant and immediate reaction. James has 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of been talking about this one for a minute, 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: and especially now with the new wrinkle that Jeff Passon 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: put out that Clay Holmes will be used as a 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: starter for the New York Mets. I mean, James, David Sertz, 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: he's listening. He has to be listening to this podcast. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Either he's listening or we're just so inside of his 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: head that we can forecast all these moves before they're 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: going to happen. It's all the exact reasons we said 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: this is going to happen. The fact that you could 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: get someone who possibly has a legitimate star, the upside 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: at way under star, the market value price, and just 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: he has all the tools in his tool bag to 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 2: be a successful starter. And the fact that all these 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: relievers that are in the Major League they were all 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: star this for most of their life. Clay Holmes will 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: start there until like three and a half years, four 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: years ago, so this night he's not that long removed 23 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: from doing it. He's a hass He's a massive dude. 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: He has tons of really good pitches. He was super 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: effected his career at the Yankees. I know he got 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: a lot of shit for blowing saves, which wet, we 27 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: don't want blowing saves, but he was awesome. He was literally, 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: for the last three years, one of the most effective 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: relief pitches in baseball. Truly, when you break all down, 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: one of the fifteen be most effective relievers in baseball. 31 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: So you put all that together, got a lot of 32 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: undue hate. He's coming to us blow mark value for starther. 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: I love this move. 34 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day too, 35 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: let's just in a world where the starter thing doesn't work, 36 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: because I think that's a possibility. Sure, I know you're 37 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: leaning towards that this could be a cool thing. 38 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: We'll go down balls avenues. 39 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but thirty million dollars a year for the next 40 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: three years, he will just be an expensive reliever at 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the back end of this bullpen, which wouldn't be the 42 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: worst thing either, because we know how people and us 43 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: included would freak out at the time at the end 44 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: of the year when Phil Maytoon will come in to 45 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: get big out. So either way, either zigg or y 46 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: a zag here and it feels like it's just overall 47 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: a good move by the Mets. This is also the 48 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: first free agent prediction I've gotten right this offseason. Check 49 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: my video on my YouTube chain draft neck Mark Clay 50 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: Hoolmes to the Mets. 51 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: I called it, yeah, totally. This is like, this is 52 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: Andrew Heeny money, This is raw strippling money, This is 53 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: Kyle Freelands money. This is what we gave Sean and 54 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: I and Luis Savarino last year. And then also, like 55 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: slightly less than Ryce el Igalacias makes Ken Tamada like 56 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: this is Robert Stevens. Is almost the same as the 57 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Robert Stevenson contract last year. So this in the range 58 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: of well above average reliever to well below average starter. 59 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: So with that you kind of figure that Clay Holmes' 60 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: floor is still a well above average reliever. Yes, if 61 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: you're paying Clay Holmes a million less than Bryce Aglaci's 62 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: year for a fewer years, you don't really feel that 63 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: bad about it. And then if you're paying a basically 64 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: the same amount of money as Andrew Hiny and he 65 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: becomes an actual mid rotation starting pitcher. Suddenly you're like, 66 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, we just this was a coup. We 67 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: just made out like bandits. 68 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: So let's talk about him as a starting pitcher, because 69 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: I think everybody understands what he'll be as a reliever 70 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: as of right now. But as a starting pitcher, the 71 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: questions that I had when we first brought this up 72 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: was just he's he's a sinker ball pitcher, like and 73 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: he's a guy who his stuff got better when he 74 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: made that switch with the Yankees and became more of 75 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: a sinker ball pick. You're focusing on that in the 76 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: bullpen and singer ball slider, right, I believe was kind 77 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: of what he was rocking. 78 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: Singer ball sweeper, gyro slider. 79 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Can it does a transition well as a starting pitcher, 80 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: I think totally. 81 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: I think the sinker baller thing is huge because we 82 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 2: talked about this a couple episodes ago, and we talked 83 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: about bargain starting pitchers, relievers that could become starters. Why 84 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: could work for Clay Holmes. Clay Holmes has a sixty 85 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: eight point six ground ball percentage the beginning of the 86 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two season, that would be by far the 87 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: highest for any starting pitcher, and it's the second highest 88 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: for anny reliever. The only reliever with a higher ground 89 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: ball rate was Andre Plante from the Cardinals, who they 90 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: made a star there and it went up and down 91 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: a little bit. Stuff's nowhere near as good as Clay Holmes, 92 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: but objectively kind of works for most of the time. 93 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: So the fact that just thinking about this pull it 94 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: back in the logic sense, when you're pitching one inning 95 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: at a time versus five innings at a time, the 96 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: ground balls are working worse when you're to have these 97 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: one inning samples because a lot more randomness can happen 98 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: inside of the one inning if you give up a 99 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: ground ball to slightly the wrong spot or even the 100 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: right spot. For Yankees in field that was objectively horrible 101 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: at defense, besides Anthony Volpi, you're in a much more spot. 102 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: Suddenly you have a man on front. Now you gotta 103 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: play differently. A lot of the things can snowball quickly 104 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: in one inning when you give up a lot of contact, 105 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: and Clay Holmes gives up a lot of contact. It's 106 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: not very good contacts. Honestly, it's very bad contact, but 107 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: just contact in general works worse as a reliever. That's 108 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: why people want their closers to get strikeouts. That's why 109 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: Guy Diaz so valuable, Josh Hey there when Ryan Presley 110 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: was at his peak when you get and that's why 111 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: Emmanuel class A kind of had to go through his 112 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: own metamorphosis to become more of a strike up guy 113 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: in the last year. Else he was never going to 114 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: reach the true ceiling of being the best reliever in 115 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: baseball like he now. Obviously. Is so just the fact 116 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: that when you boil it all down, Clay Holmes is 117 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: an ultra ultra ultra ground ballgether that works much better 118 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty innings and it works for sixty. 119 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you explained that to me over text, 120 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: like a couple days ago, when this came up, we 121 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: were even talking about it as Clay Holmes is a 122 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: possible starter, which is insane how our brain works, where 123 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's like a Tuesday, I'm going into the city, 124 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: I'm texting Jims, Like we think what clayhomes is the start? 125 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: You think that's real, Like that's just the conversations we 126 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: have off off the podcast, which is why we do 127 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the podcast here, but expanding it over the one hundred 128 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: fift in ings, it totally makes more sense. And it's 129 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: even the thing of like how we preach about the 130 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: hitters that we want on this team. We want guys 131 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: that hit the ball in the air. We want guys 132 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: that drive the baseball when you hit the ball on 133 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: the ground. When Francis Guaverrez was hitting the ball on 134 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the ground earlier in the year, we were like, we 135 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: don't love this, because really, the best damage you're gonna 136 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: do on a ground ball as a single, you keep 137 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: the ball out of the air, you keep the ball 138 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: on the ballpark. Especially with the good defense that the 139 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Mets have, this can be a recipe for success for 140 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, an. 141 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: Easy recipe for his success. Another thing I mentioned at 142 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 2: the top is that he is built like a starting pitcher. 143 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: The dude six five huge, Like that's a body that 144 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: can stand up to start his workload. Then you like 145 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: get deep and like really get the nitty gritty of 146 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: all these pitches. First of all, that sinker, which we 147 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: talked about. Hoffman and Holmes mostly talked about Hoffmann. But 148 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: I mentioned Holmes briefly becoming a starter. You're worried about 149 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: the fastball velosity dropping because of course, when you're pitching 150 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: again four or five six innings rather than one or 151 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: two winnings, you're gonna lose a couple of takes on 152 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: that fast ball. The fact that Holmes sits ninety seven 153 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: gets up to ninety eight ninety nine, he's probably going 154 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: to settle in around ninety five miles an hour, which 155 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: is above average VELOSSI for a starting pitcher. So right there, bang, 156 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: Like that's one huge checkbox for why reliever can become 157 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: a starter. Second of all, the next thing we need 158 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: for a checkbox, he has really good command. Holmes doesn't 159 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: walk a lot of batteries. I think he walked a 160 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: few more batteries as a reliever than he was a starter. 161 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: Similar so I was talking about before, where it's like 162 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: you it gets a little more tent in those late innings, 163 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: so you'd kind of rather walk a guy than give 164 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: up some hard contacts. So I think he was maybe 165 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: a little working around the edges more than he would there, 166 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: but above average zone right threw pitches in the strike 167 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: zone more than league average at a couple percentage points 168 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: more in league average, So I think that's a big checkbox. 169 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: Next checkbox, probably the most important checkbox, is that his 170 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: three pitches that he spammed it as a closer, His sinker, 171 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: his sweeper, and his gyro slider are all super elite 172 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: outlier pitches in their own right. The sinker especially is 173 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: probably one of the most unique pitches in baseball. This 174 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: is all coming from Lance Brosdowski's video about why Clay 175 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: Holmes and Jeff Hoffman could be successful starters. They put 176 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: out like a month and a half agance. Yeah, he's 177 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: been mentioning that. Ben Brewster from Treed had been mentioning this, 178 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: who actually trains Clay Holme. So I think this has 179 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: been a real thing that they've been doing. And Eli 180 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: Ben Perett of Baseball American, I have all been saying, 181 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: Clay Holmes started the Clay Holmes starter. He has legit 182 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: ace type potential. I go there. Yes, I don't know 183 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: if'm gonna get there yet, but I'm just telling you 184 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: guys why he could be successful starting pretty fucking awesome. 185 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: If he is, that would literally change my life. 186 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: If he is, but wellis changes our life. Clay Holmes 187 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: will make it better. Yes, well, we're not there. 188 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: We're not there. It's Friday night. We all know what's 189 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: gonna happen the end of the weekend. But this is 190 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: that right from Lance's video. For all right handed pitchers, 191 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: Holmes is the only one with a sinker that had 192 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: to release height higher than six point four feet and 193 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: below five inches of inverted vertical break. And just to 194 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: give the comparisons, Holmes only had four point four inches 195 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: of inverted vertical break on that sinker and a six 196 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: point six foot release side. So yeah, more than six 197 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: and a half feet release hide mostly because he's just 198 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: a hass and he has a really up up and 199 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: down release point in that on that whenever he throws 200 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: a pitch. But what that really means is that a 201 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: much simpler thing is Clay Holmes. The sinker drops way 202 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: more than the pitch is expected to drop based on 203 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: the way it comes out of his hand. It's surprising 204 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: to hithers and it will continue to be surprising the 205 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: hits because where his arm angle is and the way 206 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: he's throwing that pitch, it just drops much more than 207 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: hitters can ever expect. That's why he can spam that 208 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: pitch over and over and over again, and it never 209 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: ever ever gets pieced up. And it makes him able 210 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: to throw that pitch against both righty's and lefties out 211 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: a really, really, really effective way. And that's gonna be 212 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: one of the most important things to making him a star. 213 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: The yeah, I mean when being becoming a starter. That's 214 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: kind of the difference between right now, a modern major 215 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: league starter and a guy in the past is like 216 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: they didn't really think about this. 217 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Can he get left handed batters? Can he get right 218 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: handed batters out out? Thing? But Clay Holmes can do both. 219 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: And again we're not even really a year removed from 220 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: him being one of the most dominant relievers in Major 221 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: League Baseball the last couple of seasons. Ever since he 222 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: stepped into the Bronx with the Yankees, he's been incredible 223 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: over a four three and a half four year stretch. 224 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: A two six ninety, a whip at one point one, 225 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: a fit at two point seventy four like these numbers, 226 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: over two hundred innings. Again, of course this is turbo. 227 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes him as a reliever, throwing ninety eight miles 228 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: an hour. He was great, and I know he lost 229 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the closer role to Luke Weaver by the end of 230 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the year. I think that was more of a ViBe's thing. 231 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: The vibes are very off at that point with Clay 232 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: Holmes and Luke Weaver had been the guy getting big outs. 233 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: But even think about the games when like the Mets 234 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: played the Yankees at the stadium, when he come in 235 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: the game, We're like, shit, this is this is a 236 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: really really hard guy to piece up. You kind of 237 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: almost have to walk and get a couple of lucky 238 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: hits to get the ball through the infield and score 239 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,359 Speaker 1: a run. It's very difficult. 240 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: That big size, he has, the big extension, that crazy 241 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: arm angle. It makes him a very uncomfortable at bat. 242 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: It always did. I give the Yankees a lot of 243 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: credit for what they did with him when they kind 244 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: of made him into this monster. 245 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: Found him out of nowhere. He's stunk with the Pirates, 246 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: he was horrible. 247 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: It was I think a mid season trade in twenty 248 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: twenty one from out of nowhere where they trade that. 249 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: I want to say, it was like Hoy Park. 250 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Diego Castillo and Hoy Horry Park in 251 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: one for Clay Holmes, and. 252 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: It's like psychotic. I just pulled that name out, but 253 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: I remember writing it up at the time being like 254 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: I think Clay House when I was doing that thing 255 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: like the five best relievers you never heard of, And 256 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: I think the Clay Holmes did it because immediately the 257 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: Yankees got rid of his curve ball, which was getting 258 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: hit very hard, and they gave him the sweeper, which 259 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: has become one of the best in baseball in terms 260 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: of vertical movement, horizontal movement, swinging miss it's completely ridiculous. 261 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: And a gyro slider. And the gyro slider is a 262 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: real big key here. I talk about that in the 263 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: show a lot. It's a slider that kind of falls 264 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: over itself but spins side the slide. It just kind 265 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: of topples over like spinning like a bullet. It's really 266 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: good also against righty's and lefties, so that pitch is 267 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: going to be foundational into ways can be able to 268 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: do to starter And something that was crazy to me 269 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: when looking into this before we did this episode, he 270 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: threw that gyro slider more often than his sweeper to 271 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: right handed batters. That's how disgustingly platoon neutral that pitch was, 272 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: and how how when he get when you get into 273 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: a bat against him, against righty, you're just you're kind 274 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: of done. You look like, do you really don't have 275 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: anything to do? With that sweeper, with the sinker, sweeper, gyro, 276 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: It's just everything comes at you in the same arm angle. 277 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: They all look exactly the same till the last second. 278 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: It's amazing. And then I think something is also going 279 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: to be really, really really important for Clay Holmes becoming starter. 280 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: It's just simply leaving Yankee Stadium for City Field would 281 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: be huge, massive because something the Yankees also did with 282 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: him was they got rid of the four seam fastball 283 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: and span the sinker. I think that sometimes teams like 284 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: the Yankees the Dodgers do this too, with lots of 285 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: fastballs low on the zone. I think teams, and it 286 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: may be right for so get obsessed with their home 287 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: ballpark and how they're gonna tell their pictures to game plan. 288 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: If Clay Holmes is throwing a mid foresting fastball and 289 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: you have a three hundred and ten foot fence in 290 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: right and right field when the left has come up, yeah, 291 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: but like when the leftis come up, will already have 292 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: a beat on Clay Holmes, because you don't really have 293 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: a breaking ball that's really gonna be dominant against them, 294 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 2: just the gyro sid which is very good against them. 295 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: You can sit in that fastball and again it's not good, 296 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: so you can easily just pop it in the air 297 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: and you get it over the fence. Suddenly night that 298 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: it's games over because you gave a home er the 299 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: ninth inning. I think coming to a place like City Field, 300 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: it might give him a little more breathing room to 301 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: throw that forcing fastball because he's going to need another pitch. 302 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: This is gonna really go crazy, whether it be the fastball, 303 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: which you started throwing a little bit more in the playoffs, 304 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 2: whether it's a change up. But the change up is 305 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: gonna be a weird thing for him to do because 306 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: when he throws it's called supernation, where his risk goes outward, 307 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: his thumb flicks away from his body rather than the 308 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: guys whose thumb flicks towards their body, towards the middle 309 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: of their body. It's just hard to throw a change 310 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: up that way. And also the Yankees are so good 311 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: at teaching guys new pitches, especially the fact that it 312 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: took three years he never got a hold of one. 313 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: Makes me think maybe he can't get a hold of one. 314 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: So maybe it's just bring that curve ball back to 315 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: show it once in a while and then show fastball. 316 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: Maybe try to spoiler like reed Garrett. I don't know, 317 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: but he's going see another pitch. But I think there's 318 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: a lot more wiggle room for him to learn a 319 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: new pitch when he's not playing little league ballpark. 320 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: We grabbed the Yankees guy too, right, didn't we. 321 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: Just grabbed your shell? Yeah. I was gonna mention that 322 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: the Yankee assistant pitching coach, who I'm sure that's part 323 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: of this conversation. I'm sure he's like, yeah, he could 324 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: definitely be a star there. I could do this. I 325 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: can do that. The guy that's work for him three 326 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: years also forgot he worked with Mantis as well, which 327 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: I just just clicked to me in my brain. But yeah, yeah, 328 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: two two former Yankees pitch is now gonna be the 329 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: middle of our rotation. I just think there's is Weirdly, 330 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ways to make this work for 331 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: Clay Holmes, you know, I mean for the money he costs. 332 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: Like I just said before, it seems to me that 333 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: there's a lot more upside and downside in this deal. 334 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we just we just saw Louis Severino, who 335 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: loved Luis Severno. He was great last year. He just 336 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: signed a twenty three million dollars a year contract with 337 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: the Oakland with the athletics. 338 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: They're not athletics, just the athletics. Ah, that's their thing. 339 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: The pitching market's out of control. The pitching market's crazy 340 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: expensive right now. I don't know what happened. I guess 341 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: you're just paying for innings to be able to possibly 342 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: get starting pitch. Getting out of Clay Holmes this year. 343 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: It is totally worth the risk because at the absolute worst, 344 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: you just get a nasty reliever again, which we could 345 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: use more of. 346 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's this contract and how good he is 347 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: makes it worthwhile for him to just be a nasty reliever. 348 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: But as a star there, the upside becomes insane, kind 349 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: of limbitless, and it was interesting. I don't know if 350 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: you saw it today. I know you've been off Twitter. 351 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: Frankie Manta said literally in his Zoom press conference joining 352 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: the Mets that he spoke to Sean and Ayah and said, 353 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: you know about being with the Mets and what it was, 354 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: and he said they gave him confidence that they can 355 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: help him pitches are and help with development and help 356 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: him stay healthy. Mentioned that specifically. So we're now like 357 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: we predicted this year. You said it first. The Mets 358 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: are now have the shine on them where pictures are like, oh, 359 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: I can go to the Mets for a year and 360 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: then I will make more money than I could have 361 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: ever imagined. On the other side of that, like Luis 362 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: just got seventy million dollars guaranteed last year, he barely 363 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: got Drew Smiley. 364 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: From a team that doesn't spend any money. 365 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: It's the highest paid player in the history of the Athletics. 366 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: That's crazy. You know whose second highest paid player in 367 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 2: history the Athletics? 368 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: Chavez? 369 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there you go, big full circle back Matt's 370 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: and Yankees all together here. But I think all that 371 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: comes together and makes again live upside for Clay Homes. 372 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: But we have to say why this could not work, Becau. 373 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: It's definitely possible. It doesn't work. It's always possible. Doesn't work. Sure, 374 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: First of all, this is a massive adjustment. He's been 375 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: relieving full time for like four years now. It's gonna 376 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: be a lot in his arm. He hasn't thrown more 377 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: than I think sixty five innings the last three years, 378 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be a big jump up for him. 379 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: I wonder how much they're going to push him past 380 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty innings, Like I 381 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: wonder how most. 382 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: He's ever thrown in a year is seventy By the way, 383 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: check the miners. Ooh, okay, I'll check the miners too. 384 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: You keep talking. 385 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: So I think that's a big deal here. Another thing 386 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: is that Clay Holmes, because with the pitches he. 387 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Had won miners twenty sixteen, he threw one hundred and 388 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: thirty six twenty seventeen through one hundred and twelve I 389 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: will say in triple A in twenty seventeen as a 390 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: starting pitcher, he had a three three sixty R. So, okay, 391 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's not majors, but that's that's proof of 392 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: him pitching at a starting pitching level. 393 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: Oh well, for sure. Take that. The other thing that 394 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: worries me about Clay Homes, which is why I keep 395 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: talking about learning a new pitge kind of understanding your 396 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: ballpark a little, it is that he just simply is 397 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: is not he doesn't have a great bag against lefties. No, 398 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: but I mean this like I said this all the 399 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: time by Sevrino last year too, he got their whole 400 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: season with three ad R. But with Clay Holmes last 401 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: year against left e's it was stark. He had a 402 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: twenty four percent for against lefties, thirty six percent against Riley's. 403 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: Righty's had a two thirty eight batting average three to 404 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: sixty one slugging. Left He's had a two fifty eight 405 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: batting average three thirty three slugging, So still love slugging 406 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: because of all the sinkers. And then lefty's had a 407 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: three eleven x WLOBA I mean three eleven x LB, 408 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: but and Ryes had a two fifty four x WEL. 409 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: But he was better, significantly better than league average across 410 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: the board against Riley's and worse against lefties, especially in 411 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: the swing and miss department, which again that's much worse 412 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: in the ninth inning than the fourth inning. So I 413 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: think that's going to be a big deal here. But 414 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: the one way that this doesn't work out for Clay 415 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: Holmes in a really good way is if no more 416 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: pitches can develop, at least at least even just a show. 417 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: Even if he can just show off a curve ball 418 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: in a fastball, that's enough. Yeah, it's enough to confuse 419 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: him a little bit. That's like, that was how Seth 420 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: Lugo has done these crazy things in the last few years. 421 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: He'll just go out there nine different pitches. Some of 422 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: them aren't even good. Most of them aren't even good. 423 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: Exactly opposite thing we used to say about him. And 424 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: he was a reliever here. I guess he was just 425 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: always trying to be a starter and he was right 426 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: and had tip to Seth Lugo. Maybe this is just 427 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: the divine in it, Like this is the kickback, This 428 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: is the karma for all the Seth Lugo bullshit that 429 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: we dealt with over the years and missing out on that. 430 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: But the one way this doesn't work out for Clay 431 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: Holmes is if the starter's worklows too much for him initially. 432 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: But I trust his starting worklow in the minor leagues 433 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: and just his big body to do that. And if 434 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: there's no more weapons that can be developed to help 435 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: him against left handed batters. 436 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think those are all very fair concerns, 437 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: like to not just be the overly positive guys like 438 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: we've been told about Frankie Montas like, there are things 439 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: that can go wrong here, there are things to monitor, 440 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: But luckily we seem to have one of the best 441 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: pitching development in all of Major League Baseball. We seem 442 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: to have the best pitching coach, maybe in all of 443 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and Jeremy Hefger and we just got 444 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: the guy from the Yankees who's been given a lot 445 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: of credit, who's probably an integral reason as to why 446 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes is on this team as well. 447 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: Totally end across the Yankees whole organization. This is crazy. 448 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: They've lost one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight 449 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: coaches between their major league and minor league teams so 450 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: far this offseason. 451 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: That's so many. 452 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: That's an exodus that is that is a very big deal. 453 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: And we got the one who was from their major 454 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: league team, who a lot of those pitchers credit a 455 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: lot with their improved pitch design and game planning, which 456 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: is massive. 457 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: One more exodus that matters from that New York Yankees 458 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: team is a lot. 459 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: We can't get through an episode without talking about one solo. 460 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: So I do want to do two minutes here to 461 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: close real quick. Yeah, how this can possibly actually affect one? 462 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: So though, because I Galaxy brand for the first second, 463 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: I saw this where I was like, oh, this is 464 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 2: the kind of move you make when you're probably not 465 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: going to throw hard on an ace at the end 466 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: of the off season. You're probably not going to throw 467 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: hard than ace at the end of the off season. 468 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: If you've built a really good mid rotation and you 469 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: just spent seven hundred million dollars on a right fielder. 470 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: There it is. There, it is. I wish I talk 471 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: yesterday talking about fifteen years, seven hundred million, and then 472 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden the account is deleted. It's I mean, 473 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: you can make this up. The bets were so close 474 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: to having nothing. I think that the leading of the 475 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: account only further confirms that was for sure his son 476 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: and he said something he was not supposed to. 477 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: And if you guys are also just deep on Twitter 478 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: all day long, you saw the account Anthony oh three 479 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: four to six six six, Yeah, be like here, I'm 480 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: posting us on a burner cast. So I don't get 481 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: in trouble. If you want to take to the grain 482 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: of salt, you can and told Wan So it made 483 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: the decision Matts blah blah blah. I'm not gonna take 484 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 2: that seriously. Whoever did that burner, though they might be 485 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: they might be listening to the show because they did a 486 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: hilarious thing with this burner. You haven't been perpetually online 487 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: today like I have been. So the burner's name is Anthony, 488 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: and it followed three people. Initially it was Major League 489 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: Baseball Jeff Pass and Anthony to Como, and then they 490 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: unfollowed Anthony Como with in the last couple of nice 491 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: little spicy, little spicy, but then also read crumbs. Yeah. 492 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: Then the last thing, though, I do think that this 493 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: and I we've been saying it all off scenes, was 494 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: not a surprise. I think this is the last like 495 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: steak right there that we're not going to go after 496 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: Corby Burns. We're not going to go after Max Freed. 497 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: We saw Shane Bieber sign a contract for Mapoyd money 498 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: on Friday afternoon. It's just I think that we knew it, 499 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: but I think this lead takes the Mets out of it. 500 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: And again thinking about did it and also like they 501 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: might have just gotten like legitimate three and four stars 502 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: combined front of thirty million dollars. Yeah, where Luisa Reno 503 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: is getting more almost that much, not almost that much, 504 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: but he's getting like three seventy percent of that much 505 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: next year. 506 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: So and again the the eyes on the prize, it's 507 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: all about Wan. So if you don't get one, so 508 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: this picture talk could be completely moot and they might 509 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: be like, we gotta go get Cordin Burns, we gotta 510 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: go get Max Freed. It might turn into that. 511 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 2: But or the other side of that is if you 512 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: don't get Wan solo, which is something that I think 513 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: is becoming increasingly long possibility. Not that we don't get 514 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: so though, but I think that the pivot would be 515 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: not let's spend as much money as we can. The 516 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: pivot is, let's let's do what we did last year, 517 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: but with no dead money, and let's see if we 518 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: can actually make the playoffs under the luxury tax. Let's 519 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: be the Brewers, let's be the Milwaukee Mets. Let's say 520 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: that does it? We gotta dd that. 521 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: Now I can't have any more Milwaukee talk in this guys. 522 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes is signed with the best three years, thirty 523 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: nine million dollars. That's our immediate reaction, that's our take 524 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening and watching. 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