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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica and

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Speaker 2: I'm Mila.

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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, bitches, Happy motherfucking hump day.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling, baby? I feel good, I feel

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Speaker 3: I feel tan, I feel great. I put on darker makeup.

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Speaker 2: Today, Okay. I was like, it's raining, bitch.

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Speaker 3: Would I put on darker makeup today just to feel

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Speaker 3: like I was in Costa Rica? I was like, let

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Speaker 3: You know you're just gonna bolen down. Tips, ladies, use

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Speaker 3: a beauty blunder. Blend down, don't forget the don't forget

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Speaker 3: a beauty blender, and this is a plug. If you

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Speaker 4: I don't, Please, don't tell the bitches that you can.

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Speaker 4: Please don't do that. Beauty blender makes everyone. I really

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Speaker 4: don't want to see any black women in very light makeup.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to see Okay.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about more dark, not more light.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you look some kiss my love. What do

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Speaker 4: But please, God, for the love of God, don't take

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Speaker 2: Terrible makeup advice.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: Bitch is just lying. This is my color.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Like eric I said, it's fine.

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: We're we're in money March.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've had some really great guests, and

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Speaker 3: I've been learning lots of things.

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Speaker 2: I have. I've learned a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: We've been recording our audiobook, which is been really really

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Speaker 2: My hairstyles will not make it if I wear headphones.

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Speaker 4: But I was like listening to the book and I

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Speaker 5: If the white it's a hit.

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Speaker 2: She was like, you know what, I get it? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Jessica.

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Speaker 3: And if you guys haven't pre ordered our book, make

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Speaker 3: pre order are a Good Mom's Guide to Making Bad Choices.

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Speaker 3: It officially comes out on Mother's Day. No, it comes

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Speaker 1: Two weeks after, two weeks before Mother's Day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you guys, just click the link in.

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Speaker 3: The episode description. You'll find all the information there. You

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Speaker 2: Audible and that's also on pre order.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so that's it.

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Speaker 2: Not as getting an argument trying to promote it.

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Speaker 4: Eh, it is this day, so get it anyway, by

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Speaker 3: To continue on with money March, I'm really excited. We

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Speaker 1: No, not to scary you, We stalk a lot of

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Speaker 4: It's the only way to make it so there's no

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Speaker 4: Excited today, guys, a very long time coming. We have

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're very excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm veryting into all the tanks.

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Speaker 3: So little backstory, Morgan, Me and Meil actually saw you slash.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I fell on your friend. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: Well I'm here now. So it worked out. We got you.

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Speaker 4: We've seen me like really watched you grow and like

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Speaker 2: That's a beautiful place to be. I think people forget that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have a question, because you do have a

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Speaker 3: media company in ways, do you feel like you have

442
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Speaker 3: a responsibility in that way too, because like of the

443
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Speaker 3: content that you choose to share and like, you know,

444
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Speaker 3: especially okay, like now you have this platform that is

445
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Speaker 3: essentially moving the needle and getting stories that maybe would

446
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Speaker 3: have never gotten coverage to be covered and to get attention.

447
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: Yet on the flip side, and people are also coming

448
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Speaker 3: on your platform for entertainment and for for new source

449
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Speaker 3: and for clickbait even at times, you know, yeah, like

450
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Speaker 3: how do you find a balance in between between those things?

451
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Speaker 1: The balance is really hard because we started off being

452
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Speaker 1: like I was very black militant, like I was very

453
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: for the people by the people, black everything, black employees, blackboard,

454
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Speaker 1: Like I was very we're gonna do it all, you know,

455
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Speaker 1: And then reality set in and it was like, actually,

456
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Speaker 1: that's not very sustainable, Like you need a diverse workforce,

457
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Speaker 1: you need a diverse board, you need because you need,

458
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Speaker 1: you need a mote around you because business goes up

459
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Speaker 1: and down. That also meant same thing with content. So

460
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Speaker 1: there's plenty of stories that are the right thing to do.

461
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Speaker 1: But what you learn is that people actually, to your point,

462
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Speaker 1: don't actually click the right thing to read. They don't

463
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Speaker 1: want to see. So we have to make editorial decisions

464
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Speaker 1: about environmental justice is something that black folks need to

465
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Speaker 1: know about. Injustice, I should say, you know, like food insecurities,

466
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Speaker 1: water cleanliness, like we implicitly know Flint, Michigan is still

467
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: like struggling, but we don't really want to hear about

468
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: it every day. But if we don't as a black

469
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Speaker 1: media company talk about it, why would the white folks

470
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Speaker 1: talk about it. So it's literally our job to apply pressure.

471
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Speaker 1: But we as black folks are also fucking exhausted, So

472
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Speaker 1: it's challenging. I mean, I've had editors quit not because

473
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: they don't love working at Blavity, but because it's exhausting

474
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Speaker 1: to actually face the reality of all of the things

475
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Speaker 1: that you have to cover and read. Like any black

476
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Speaker 1: kid who's shot. You know, there's certain stories right now

477
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Speaker 1: where there's this black kid that just got dismantled. He

478
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Speaker 1: called his mom, you know, and a couple hours before

479
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Speaker 1: and was like I'm being chased and the police officers

480
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: are like nope, he's fine, Like no a fall play,

481
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Speaker 1: no faul play, And everyone's like, dude, you know, if

482
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Speaker 1: we don't cover that story, is it going to get

483
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Speaker 1: picked up nationally? But are we going to cover that

484
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: story every day? You guys would never click. So it's

485
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Speaker 1: this weird balance and we don't always get it right.

486
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Speaker 1: It's not easy, but it is a constant discussion. It's

487
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Speaker 1: a constant back and forth. You know. I've spent lots

488
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Speaker 1: of money trying to get people to care about shit

489
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Speaker 1: that I know they don't care about, and also avoiding

490
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Speaker 1: writing about the Kardashians, which would get a lot of clicks.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's a heavy balance. I mean, that's a hard balance,

492
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Speaker 4: and I understand that. Like even fucking scrolling through Instagram

493
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Speaker 4: or even recently, I was looking a lot of like

494
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Speaker 4: not even comparing this because this is different, but like

495
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Speaker 4: a lot of the black media outlets where we get

496
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Speaker 4: gossip and like the fake news and all this shit

497
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Speaker 4: that really doesn't.

498
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Speaker 2: Matter at all.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like and sometimes and it's not even about

500
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Speaker 4: like about black violence and those things. Sometimes I do

501
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Speaker 4: scroll past because I'm depressed and I I'm emotional. I'm

502
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Speaker 4: a cancer and a bitch be crying mid day.

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Speaker 1: You have empathy. I don't want to consume it.

504
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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But on the flippan like, I see like ghetto network,

506
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Speaker 4: I mean ghetto like media outlets that I know are

507
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Speaker 4: like owned by black people, and it's like the stupidest

508
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Speaker 4: fucking shit, And then on the bottom it's like we

509
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Speaker 4: don't condone violence. I'm just like, oh, come on, like

510
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Speaker 4: just take that line off at this point, like it's exploitive.

511
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Speaker 1: And it's like but they wouldn't write it if it

512
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Speaker 1: didn't get clicks. I know, And I have the data.

513
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Speaker 1: You know, we have a huge publisher network where we

514
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Speaker 1: work with a lot of entertainment brands and we know

515
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Speaker 1: what does well and what doesn't do well.

516
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Speaker 2: Data is real.

517
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Speaker 1: Stuff is getting rid about it because people are cooking it.

518
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Speaker 2: So I have to keep hearing about Blueface, and I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I feel like we've all watched at least seven

520
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Speaker 1: clips of them from front to back. I've done it too,

521
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, we're pregnant.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I thought you're gonna like but like,

523
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Speaker 6: why do I care? Why we don't know these people

524
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Speaker 6: don't need to ever do I want to know?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 2: In the comments like you are tripping.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like like those comments that are like please don't.

528
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Speaker 1: But that's the point and I think that you know, generally,

529
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Speaker 1: media is hard to because you don't own I don't

530
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Speaker 1: own Instagram, I don't own TikTok, I don't own Facebook. Like,

531
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Speaker 1: so you're also building conversations and audience and you're not

532
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Speaker 1: getting paid to keep these platforms alive. And that doesn't

533
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Speaker 1: pay my bills, that doesn't pay payroll having a bunch

534
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Speaker 1: of likes on Instagram. So it's a weird industry overall,

535
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Speaker 1: which is why as a company, we actually, yes, we

536
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Speaker 1: care about the views and the clicks in the sessions

537
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Speaker 1: on the site, but we actually care about intent from

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Speaker 1: the views. So, like, is your intention when you're reading

539
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Speaker 1: a travel Noir article eventually to book a trip, I

540
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Speaker 1: a flight, get a hotel, discover a new place. Like

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have a smaller audience that is engaged and

542
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Speaker 1: just actually like go going through like aff attech. Okay, yes,

543
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Speaker 1: you can read this cool article about Robert Smith or

544
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: like whatever, but are you looking for a job, right,

545
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Speaker 1: and then that actually creates a better ecosystem for the

546
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Speaker 1: for the black economy at large? Right? Right? Does that

547
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Speaker 1: makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? I mean I love l No, me too,

549
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Speaker 2: I'm going this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that's a huge misconception in general,

551
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Speaker 4: And like in this last like I guess ten twenty

552
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Speaker 4: years on, how has Instagram been around?

553
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Speaker 1: Not even that long.

554
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Speaker 2: I got mine late. I was in Nears movie.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sounds about right. Yeah, we're getting older. That

556
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. Yeah, it's about fifteen years because I remember.

557
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Speaker 4: Yeah, But like I think people have this crazy misconception

558
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Speaker 4: of like if you have a lot of followers, then

559
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Speaker 4: that equates to success. And even with us, like it's

560
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Speaker 4: not like we're crazy like fucking like popping, but people

561
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Speaker 4: are like, oh, you're I see, like getting Hollywood now.

562
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Speaker 1: I'm like, bitch, We've been doing this work.

563
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Speaker 2: Don't equal money.

564
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Speaker 1: Fat.

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Speaker 4: I was like, first of all, but I see the

566
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: like people put so much into that in their businesses

567
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 4: and like or you know, not not really businesses or

568
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 4: whatever you do. I see all these bitches with a

569
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Speaker 4: lot of fucking you have a whole lot of followers,

570
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: and everybody has an online boutique and fucking eyelashes.

571
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Speaker 1: But people buy them innut So.

572
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Speaker 2: Some of those.

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Speaker 5: Boutiques is popping.

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Speaker 1: They are cash flowing. I know those girls. No, I'm serious,

575
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: they are making such good cash.

576
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Speaker 2: I agree, and some are not.

577
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Speaker 1: Maybe not the lashes, but the online.

578
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Speaker 2: This can't be a good turnaround. I'm like, this is

579
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Speaker 2: not the lashes. I'm like, how many shiplashes can you buy?

580
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: How many? How many can you how much are your profit?

581
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Speaker 4: So maybe I'm a hater because I'm like, I'm an esthetician.

582
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Speaker 4: I was doing the eyelash extensions.

583
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Speaker 2: I was like, stop selling them. Fulah could be terrible.

584
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Speaker 4: No, but I I I think it's an interesting like

585
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Speaker 4: being a woman and being an entrepreneur, especially for you

586
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Speaker 4: because you're in a like male dominated industry, especially being

587
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: in tech. Like what are some of the like obstacles

588
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 4: that you've had, like in challenges you've had, like and

589
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 4: ways you've had to show up being a woman and

590
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Speaker 4: not only that black woman in this space, and like

591
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: you know, I think there's like for women there's this

592
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: weird dance we have to do. Yeah, and it's like

593
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: I'm I'm soft, but I'm I'm delivered, but I'm not

594
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: big a bitch, but I'm not you know what I mean.

595
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Speaker 2: Like not a pushover, but I'm not showing too much sig.

596
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: But isn't enough that I do? Are you going to

597
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: do it?

598
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: When I it's certainly evolved, you know, I've had. I

599
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: have way more freedom now because I'm kind of like,

600
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you can't see my receipts, yeah,

601
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: but like I don't need you, so we're good. But

602
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: but I did need you, So we acted differently. When

603
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I first started the company, I was very silicon Valley

604
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: blavity T shirt, black pants, black boots, glasses, curly hair,

605
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Speaker 1: just trying to blend in, which is like impossible, and

606
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: it was very much like no frills. What I wanted

607
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: the white boys to say about me is Morgan is hardcore.

608
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: We're betting on her, Like she's a fucking boss, she's fierce,

609
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: she's a shark, She's gonna get it done. Like that

610
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: was the only narrative that would have gotten me to

611
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: be able to let them give me millions was that

612
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Speaker 1: they thought that I could be hardcore enough to make

613
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: it through, because you did need to be hardcore, Like

614
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: it's not it was not cute. What does hardcore mean

615
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: in tech? In tech, it means by any means necessary,

616
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: like working fifteen hour days, sleeping with your laptop. It

617
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: means flying across the country on your own dollar. It

618
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: means sleeping on couches, you know, because you don't want

619
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: to waste money on hotels. Like it means there's no

620
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: job too little, like I'm answering support emails as somebody else.

621
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm my own assistant. Like it's there's no job that

622
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: I would not do for this thing that I'm growing,

623
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Speaker 1: and this money that I took on from other people

624
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: who give me millions of dollars that I don't have

625
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: to pay back, like I mean, we do as a company,

626
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: but it's like personally, I don't have to pay back.

627
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing that she wouldn't do. That's a shark. You know,

628
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: she's gonna get it done. And I think that this person,

629
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: like if I had shut up this way, it would

630
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: not be she's a shark. Okay, But I had to

631
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Speaker 1: actually work really hard to unlearn all the trauma that

632
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: I had to take on through the process to be

633
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Speaker 1: like shift from founder survival mode to executive, CEO, chairperson, shareholder, right,

634
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: all of these other identities that I hold now these

635
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: identities were cute, but they didn't matter because like, you

636
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: have to make it through, you can get over here, right,

637
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: So it was I think it was a journey for

638
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: me personally. I'm sure my employees feel the same because

639
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: they've seen that transition. Those who've been with me since

640
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, my first employee still works for us. There's

641
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people we lost along the way. And

642
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: if you only saw me in different periods of time,

643
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: your experience with me would be very different.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's I don't know if you carry

646
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Speaker 1: that with you, because Hi, Derek, carry some guilt. I

647
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: feel bad for people who I'm like, oh, you were

648
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: actually fantastic, but like you didn't understand what we were

649
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: up against. You thought you were just coming to work

650
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: at like an HBCU, And I'm like, somebody has to

651
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: pay these bills. Like you're a salesperson. You closed no

652
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: revenue all year, you were supposed to close a million dollars,

653
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Like what do you think I have to make that

654
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: money back up? Like I gotta go close it now, right,

655
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Like these are people's lives. I'm paying for somebody's kids braces,

656
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: like like this is a responsibility. This is not just

657
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: kick sing giggles and like free food right right. But

658
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: that transition, I am it was not cute.

659
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: How did you transition from all those roles like like

660
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: you said, like founder of survival mode to exac Like

661
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: I think that people will underestimate like the mindset that

662
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: has to come with that shift, and like you know,

663
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: like how has that how what tools have you used

664
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: to like shift into this this role of this woman

665
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: that you know so.

666
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Many different things. I mean I think therapy of course,

667
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Like but my therapy, like I've never been I probably

668
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: have been depressed along the way because like everybody gets

669
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: depressed and said and kind of like what the fuck

670
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: is things going?

671
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: Because you have to keep going?

672
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: But like what am I gonna do?

673
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: I've gotta work.

674
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: You gotta go to work. I had coaches, I have

675
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: co founders who I leaned on, like in times when

676
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I was like I know I'm not doing this well.

677
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: I need you to do this because I don't actually

678
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: think that the business will receive it from me. They

679
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: need to receive it from you as men like you

680
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: need to carry this and that was challenging I think

681
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: for certain people. But it was the like not between

682
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: me and my co founders, it was the right move.

683
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I also had to do a lot of like self

684
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: work on my own femininity because it was very masculine

685
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: energy for such a long period of time. Like I was,

686
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I had a chip on my shoulder, so even in

687
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: my personal life, I had a chip on my shoulder,

688
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: like I was basically a man, like I was out

689
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: here just manning, you know, Fey, Yeah, well that was hard.

690
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I have moved, I mean I think that was one thing.

691
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Like actually leaving La and readjusting my physical space was

692
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: really important because when I lived here, I mean I

693
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: lived to work, like I walked to the office. I

694
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: lived in the office when our first office the office

695
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: in my bedroom were next door to each other. Like

696
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: this was my life. So I had to detach from

697
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Blavity is a person to Blavity is a company that

698
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I own and employed by and responsible for. But I

699
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: am also a person, and I'm allowed to have a life,

700
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to paint on the weekends, or you know,

701
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: ride my bike, plant a tree like fuck it, whatever,

702
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: like do whatever, tap out like And that's actually better

703
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: in the long run for me. But it took it

704
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: just took a lot of time. You gotta go down

705
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: before you can get there.

706
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine that that would be really challenging.

707
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: I think even you know, even with us, if you're

708
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: building something, you're so excited about it, like it becomes

709
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: like you can't like the moment you wake up, you're

710
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: in it, like in the middle of.

711
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: If there's anything wrong with that, I think there's just phases,

712
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and you just need to know when it's time calibrate exactly.

713
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 5: It is not sustainable.

714
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: It should never be forever. So like anyone who's in

715
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: grind mode forever, I'm like, that's not necessary. There's it's

716
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: either you, it's actually I mean, it's not anything else,

717
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: it's you. Like, it's not a requirement hard work for

718
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: an extended period of time. Years. Of course.

719
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: I always like love this, Like this quote that I've

720
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: heard and we talked about it a lot, is like

721
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: and I wonder if you relate to this now or

722
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: like currently and and or if this is kind of

723
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: a think of the past is like you're value being

724
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: linked to your product productivity, because I think a lot

725
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: of female entrepreneurs get into this mode of like.

726
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Work work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work.

727
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, becoming so their identity being so wrapped up in

728
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: their whatever their business is. And I know for me,

729
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: I've had to like really battle with that concept. But

730
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: is my value totally linked to this.

731
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I view productivity. I do believe that my value is

732
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: tied to productivity, But I don't view productivity as amount

733
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: of hours I put in. So like I can sit

734
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: with a business or an entrepreneur and something that will

735
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: take them twenty five hours I can do in ten minutes.

736
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still productive, you know what I mean.

737
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: So I do believe that, Like there are certainly times

738
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: when I wake up in the morning and I'm like, Okay,

739
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: what is the most important thing for me to do today?

740
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: And if I just do that one thing, then I'm productive.

741
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: It's not my calendar is not packed right Like today,

742
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: I was like, no, if this is it, and I'm done,

743
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Like I did my mornings, did my meetings. I was

744
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: on calls on the way to this conversation, but I

745
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: wanted to be fully present. I knew if I had

746
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: stuff later, then I'm gonna be thinking about that. This

747
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: is it me and I drinks with my girl Carly,

748
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: that's it. And I think that black women we have

749
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: to value not the amount of time we spend, but

750
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: the impact of the work that we do. You know

751
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: what I mean and not to me is productivity.

752
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: I like that, not the time we spend, but the

753
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 4: impact of the work that we do. Yeah, I think

754
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: also like for black women, we're you know, we're being

755
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: educated at the highest rate, We're like opening businesses at

756
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: the highest rate. And but there's also this stereotype of

757
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: black women being masculine, and you know, we're having like

758
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: this trend.

759
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Of soft life. What the fuck does that mean?

760
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, so what are we doing.

761
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: Opposed to a hard life? Like I don't want a

762
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: hard life.

763
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: True, you know, but it's just like it's also it's

764
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: difficult because when you're an entrepreneur and you're a business

765
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: woman and you eat, breathe, sleep your ship because you

766
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: know it's impactful and you believe in it and it matters. Yeah,

767
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: you know, it's like this this fine line and I believe,

768
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: like also you work hard and then you're like, okay, bitch,

769
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: that's enough.

770
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Okay, But I think I.

771
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Think entrepreneurs can have a soft life. I do you think?

772
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: So I do?

773
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: How do you all define it?

774
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: We had this conversation not too long ago, and we

775
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: got a lot of SHITU.

776
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: Like the girls have already get tapped in.

777
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: Our guest was like, ah ah, I shout out to

778
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: trap yoga bay. She was like she feels like it

779
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: means docile, and like.

780
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't want to.

781
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what she.

782
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: What her like definition was, And then then it made

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: me think, like what the fuck is soft life? But

784
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: I think it's just like like you said, like working

785
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: hard but doing less, you know, Like I really like

786
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 4: realizing that I can be impactful without doing like a

787
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: hundred million things and outsourcing and being like.

788
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: Hey you do this, Hey you do this? How are

789
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: the people?

790
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is how society has run since like the

791
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: beginning of time, like Egyptians like, yeah.

792
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: I think it is a lot of an Outsourcing is

793
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: a great word because I think as women, we feel,

794
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: especially in entrepreneurship, we feel like we have a lot

795
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: to prove, and so we want to take on every

796
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: role exactly instead of saying, hey, you do that, I

797
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: don't pick that up.

798
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: See, I had a I'll give you an example of

799
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: something a coach told me once. We were on a

800
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: call and I was talking about how I just felt

801
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: so overwhelmed. There was so much going on, and I

802
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't giving my employees enough time. I

803
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: was trying to like step back and like not be

804
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: a micromanager and da da da da dah. And she said, well,

805
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: if you had an opportunity during the day to you know,

806
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: read a business book, read some articles, and then also

807
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, people were coming to you with fires and

808
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you needed to address them. Which one do you think

809
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: is more valuable use of your time? And I was like,

810
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: if there's a problem, I need to solve it. And

811
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: she said, no, you should be reading the book and

812
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: reading the articles because you need to be in the future.

813
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: And if you're never in the future, then your business

814
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: never will get there. And the fires and the things

815
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: that's today you could spend all day that'll never stop

816
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: if you're sitting in the fires. And it's like that

817
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: kind of perspective that helped me release the guilt, the

818
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: shame of being like, hey, there's a problem, you too,

819
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: fix it and tell me what happened to gure it out,

820
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: figure it out, And there's no shame in that.

821
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: I think.

822
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: Also, when you build something and you've done every job,

823
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: every aspect of it, you're like, fuck it, I'll make

824
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: the graphic, I get the move, just.

825
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: Got out my way.

826
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I have to ask myself. I'm like, what

827
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: the fuck? But I have to do it? Why are

828
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: you here? Right?

829
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: But but it's because you know you can do it.

830
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: And then there's also that like no one can do

831
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: it better than me, but like, no, someone can do

832
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: it better than you, and they will, but you haven't

833
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: found the right person, right.

834
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: And if they can do it eighty percent, this is

835
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: the rule. They can do it eighty percent as good

836
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: as you, they should do it. You shouldn't do it

837
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: if someone else can do it eighty percent because your

838
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: time is more.

839
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I like that, yep. I mean, because like,

840
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: no one's going to be just like you.

841
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: No one's going to be one hundred percent. But if

842
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: they can do eighty percent, you shouldn't do it.

843
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: You should be reading a book and thinking about your future.

844
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: Basically, honestly, I mean, I think strategy.

845
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: I think with our business, we have had to release control.

846
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'm definitely a micromanager in ways I can be,

847
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: and so stepping back from the business because I realized

848
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: that my micromanaging wasn't helping anything. And also like I

849
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: was like, why am I paying people if I'm going

850
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: to do it anyway?

851
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 5: And I'm not happy.

852
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm I love what I do, but it's becoming it's

853
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: making me feel I guess, unhappy in ways. Yeah, I

854
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: felt like I didn't have time for myself, and so

855
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 3: relinquishing that control has been so life changing for me

856
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: and like having real work boundaries and saying, yeah, no,

857
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. Sorry, I'm I'm actually

858
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: working out at twelve o'clock. I'm not available for that

859
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: right then, and being like Eric is working out at

860
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: twelve o'clock. Yep, sir, sure I am, It's on my calendar.

861
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: Actually I'm actually not Oh no, I'm not going to

862
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: record them.

863
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: Sorry.

864
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like and like staying true to that

865
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: and like even like even like having to even like

866
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: with Mila, like saying like, well, Mila has to do that,

867
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: so she can't do that. Either because like sometimes we

868
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: have to like each other with our own boundaries.

869
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

870
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: You have got of soccer. It's fine. We don't need

871
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: to fine mom, this Saturday is fine.

872
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Just just just do mommy. Yeah. I think that's fair,

873
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to have those accountability partners,

874
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and like I do that in business as well, right,

875
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Like I will tell my team, my chiefain staff, like

876
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: it says lunch on my calendar, my team doesn't schedule

877
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: meetings during lunch. Am I eating lunch? Am I not

878
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: eating lunch? It doesn't matter, Like it says lunch, don't

879
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: you schedule over it. So, just setting those boundaries and

880
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: then communicating them in a way that people can actually

881
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: interact with you is so for me has been like

882
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: super helpful.

883
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: Because there comes a time where you work really really

884
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: hard and you're putting out a lot of fires and

885
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, there's never like a sleep point.

886
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: I think everybody.

887
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: Everybody works and they're like I want to get to

888
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: this point and I'm going to be a billionaire and

889
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna set up and I'm gonna be gone.

890
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: But it's like, I mean that can't happen.

891
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: That will do you all have an end when it's

892
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: enough enough?

893
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: When I can charter a yacht, oh my gosh, three

894
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: times a year okay for a month, ooh ooh in

895
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: like the south of Italy the Caribbean with all my friends.

896
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's mine.

897
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: Have you done the math yet? No? I encourage you

898
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: to do the mask. It's probably not as expensive as

899
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: you think.

900
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: Ah, okay, well shit, maybe maybe it's closer than I think.

901
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: Maybe it's closer.

902
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: I was like, we should look into the numbers because

903
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as far as I think it.

904
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for a week is twenty to thirty thousand.

905
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: For one week?

906
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: Twenty forty sixty fully staffed food and how many?

907
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: How many people can't sleep up to six eight?

908
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: If you want like a catamaran, or if you want

909
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: like a big body yet obviously you can be like

910
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: ridiculous and get up to fifty or a hundred k

911
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: a week, but I.

912
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: Feel like a catamaran overnight is like, okay, we've got

913
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: an a catamaran that was a pretty big catmora.

914
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: I did it last year for how long?

915
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: We did a week?

916
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: Okay?

917
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Over it by Croatia. Yeah girl, yeah, that's a

918
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: whole other thing for another day. Yeah, it was a messy.

919
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of receipts you can retravel nore for

920
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: you're curious how it went. But but the retreat we

921
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: did yacht nick that was right, So it was a lot.

922
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: Also, this was like a retreat that you went when

923
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: and you had people come like.

924
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: This was someone else's retreat, got it? Don't you put

925
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: that on me? And it's too much. But basically if

926
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: somebody else's retreat, they used the boats from yacht Week

927
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: in Croatia and other places, and anyways, we had a

928
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: great time, but it was a clusterfuck. Our boat was fine,

929
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: but everybody else had a rough time. Either way. I

930
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: was on a yacht for a week with my best

931
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: friends and it was very obtainable. I guess this is

932
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: my point. Like I too have been like, okay, what's

933
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: my dream world? And I think it's so important for

934
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: black women for us to actually say, like, this is

935
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: my dream scenario. It's work three days a week, it's

936
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, being able to rent a house in Costa

937
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Rica and Porto for two months. It's be on a

938
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: yat da da da da and then just put the

939
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: price on it, like just actually fuck it it out,

940
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: because especially if you can invest your cash, the interest

941
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: on ten million dollars to interest on twenty million dollars

942
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: to interest some fifty million dollars is probably enough to

943
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: pay for your lifestyle. So you actually know what your

944
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: number is.

945
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: I think that's really important because I honestly I have

946
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: dreams and aspirations, but I haven't written them all the

947
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: way down and said this is my this is it

948
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: and when I get to this point, because I think

949
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: if you don't, then you get there, and you don't,

950
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: you don't, I realize you got there.

951
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: And that's what made me like start that exercise is

952
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: because I have friends where I'm like, you're so fine,

953
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Like you are good, bro, Like you're fine? Why are

954
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: you doing this to yourself? Like what when is it enough?

955
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: And the answer is it will never be enough. You

956
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: will never stop.

957
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: Forever if you don't have an endgame.

958
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, but do you think it's deeper than just

959
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: the end game? When it's like when it's that and

960
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: there's like a la, there's like a lack of fulfillment

961
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: inside besides whatever the end game.

962
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: Is, Yes, it's a seeking, it's a seeking. It's a

963
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: comparison to it's a well I know this other person

964
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and I think I'm better than them, are the same

965
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: as them, but they're over here and I'm over here.

966
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: It's a lacking in comparison, which is a never ending

967
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: to your point, like that's never gonna end. You're always

968
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: going to be making less money than somebody else, right forever.

969
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: It's always gonna be a rich and those people. It

970
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: changes all the time, right like Elon Musk today, face

971
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: ons tomorrow, like it depends on the stock market that day.

972
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: So they can't even count their money, like they don't

973
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: even know how much they're They're losing billions and making

974
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: billions every other week, Like is that really? What does

975
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: that matter? No? Right, there's gotta be a number.

976
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: That is so important.

977
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: I just realized that, Like, why do the fuck have

978
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: I never looked up the price of a yacht for

979
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 4: a week?

980
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Do it?

981
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this for years. Yeah, but I

982
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: was just I was just.

983
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 4: Thinking, like we had this conversation with someone else too

984
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: about thinking that things are unobtainable, like putting things outside

985
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 4: of your scope, and even for me, like I'm gonna

986
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: look up that number because we're not there. But like,

987
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: but you don't even over there because you didn't even

988
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: check in with six of your friends.

989
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: That's right listening to get your coins up.

990
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: And like I imagine too, when people go on Nobu

991
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: and Cabo, I'm like, I know how much those costs

992
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: per night. If everybody does that, y'all could have just

993
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: been on a yacht for a week.

994
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: Right, right girl.

995
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: And it's just I mean, that's that's a that's just

996
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: in general. I think when it comes to taking care

997
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: of yourself and investing in yourself and investing in your

998
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: your self care, whatever that sary you. I mean, I

999
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: think about even like the retreats that we do, and

1000
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of women look at the price

1001
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: tag and I think our retreats are really reasonably priced

1002
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: on everything that you get and hundred I think, yeah,

1003
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: like that's the base and you have solo rooms and

1004
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: things up to like five, totally reasonable and it's all inclusive.

1005
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: And so I think you will spend three hundred dollars on.

1006
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 7: One meal at no boot if you can get in

1007
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 7: right right or what is or whatever, You'll spend a

1008
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 7: rack on that fucking lace front, bitch.

1009
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 6: Literally that is literally not the install, not even install, you.

1010
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Just way way five hundred on the inside.

1011
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: The hair, like girl, the hair.

1012
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: The Malaysian whatever the fuck and you're telling me that

1013
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: you it's thirty.

1014
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: Five dollars a month on rent, right.

1015
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: And it's unattainable and granted. Listen for people that are

1016
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 3: listening to this and getting triggered because they're.

1017
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: Like, you don't know my bank account.

1018
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't know your bank account, but you know, and

1019
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: you know how much you spent on ubers, you know

1020
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: how much you spent on coffee, you know how much

1021
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: you spent on whatever the fuck you're doing over there,

1022
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: do and and you're not fulfilled? Do you look cute

1023
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 3: for a minute and you're like, okay, well that was fun,

1024
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: but that meal was good and now you're shitting it

1025
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: in the toilets.

1026
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 5: Go on now, girl, Like I'm just.

1027
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: Like it's just crazy.

1028
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 4: Have value, like the value, like because we'ven had people,

1029
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: you know, come come for us, like you know, this

1030
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: is a single mom demographic and this.

1031
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: Is like out like it's about like luxury, like it's.

1032
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: A recession and like almost suggesting that like no, like

1033
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: all single moms can't afford this and I was like,

1034
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: this seems like a projection and like and it also

1035
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: sounds like you don't value your experiences and your self

1036
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: care and your wellness because it seems so much. And

1037
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 4: not to say everybody's coins are the same, because everybody's

1038
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 4: shit goes up and down and has you know, I'm

1039
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: fucking a single mom, I get it, But it is about, like,

1040
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 4: do you see value and like in the wellness of yourself?

1041
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 8: Is it?

1042
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 4: Like you know, people will do all these things because

1043
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 4: they're like short quick nails care, quick like satisfactions or whatever,

1044
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 4: quick whatever the hell you know I'm trying to say,

1045
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: but like these long term you know, even I've heard

1046
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: people be like, no therapy, that shit is expensive, and

1047
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: it is, but bench how well, how much do you

1048
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: want to be well?

1049
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: But also like you are your biggest asset and your

1050
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: biggest tool, Like your body is the thing that's fueling

1051
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: your ability to like exist and work and your mind

1052
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: and your ability to expand your mind and like remove

1053
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: beliefs that are limiting and all these things. Is like

1054
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: your money maker. So I spend a sit ton of

1055
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: money on my personal development because that is what's making

1056
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: everybody money. So making everybody rich, So it's a to

1057
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: me when people aren't incapable like getting there. It's a

1058
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: different level of self to like fully understand the power

1059
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: that we have within ourselves, you know. And there's a

1060
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that, especially for us Black people.

1061
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: We are taught and we have been trained, and we

1062
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: have been sold, and we have been disassociated in our

1063
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: minds with our body and our worth. But like, if

1064
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: you can move past that, it's infinite, right, you have.

1065
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: To invest in the mental health care at all.

1066
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Like I think I heard Lebron spends like over a

1067
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: million dollars a year on his body because it's his

1068
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: money maker. Right, Like we should be eybe not a

1069
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: million dollars, but like a couple of thousand.

1070
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, don't skimp on yourself, skimp on what is

1071
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: fueling you and floating you through this life and in

1072
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 3: your existence here. Because you're falling short in different parts

1073
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: of your life and not showing up for people or

1074
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: not showing up for yourself. A lot of it is

1075
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 3: because you're not taking you're not taking care of yourself.

1076
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I know.

1077
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: For me, like the way I eat is so crucial

1078
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: for me, and I've and over the past few years,

1079
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: I've really had just had to like submit to that,

1080
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: and because I've been like in.

1081
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Denial and see this is big in Silicon Valley. I

1082
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: think this is something I also learned from what folks

1083
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: was just like they really value their body, like the supplements,

1084
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen more supplement I didn't even.

1085
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 5: Know you do get Silicon Valley.

1086
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: I just think of a lot of white men doing

1087
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: cocaine next to computers.

1088
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Speaker 1: They do that too, but then they get to IV.

1089
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: They like it's so intense, Like they're so in tune

1090
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: with their like performance as an individual. Like they a

1091
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: lot of them do cocaine because it improves their performance, right,

1092
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: they can work all night their sharpness, and then they

1093
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: take melatonin and they take to this and they take

1094
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: that to be able to go to sleep. And like

1095
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: they are so in tune with the ups and downs

1096
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: of their ecosystem as a body and how that impacts

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00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: their ability to make money. That is fucking incredible. Like

1098
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I didn't take that many supplements until COVID and then

1099
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: I like unlocked the whole other level. It was like,

1100
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, what is this Lion's main Like started

1101
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: taking little mushroom types, and then I learned black people

1102
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: have been doing this forever, and so have black people

1103
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: in certain parts of the world, but not in not America. Yeah,

1104
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: not in Saint Louis. You know the price of the

1105
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: I think of like these different documentaries that I've seen

1107
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: and even like someone sent me something recently, like a

1108
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: wellness room where people are like taking all types of drugs,

1109
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: but they're like they're like they're like monitored while they're

1110
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: taking psychedelic, the psychedelic like the sonic psychedelic monitors monitored experiences.

1111
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, therapists like no, but like.

1112
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: They're in a room and they're like getting fed what

1113
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: is that drug? Ayahuasca?

1114
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: It's not aahuasca, it's uh, what is it?

1115
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 5: It's like a it's like a pretty intense drug that

1116
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 5: you should never take.

1117
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: Ketamine like ketmine, well, kenemine is also now like like

1118
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: they're using that for therapy.

1119
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying.

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00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: Like they're in they're like having ketamine IV's that are

1121
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: being monitored by and it's like allowing them to like untap.

1122
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: Like this guy was saying, like I remember when I

1123
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: was in my mother's womb and I realize some white

1124
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: people shit, but like you're not supposed to say that,

1125
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 3: I know, because eventually black people are gonna get on

1126
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: board too.

1127
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 8: But yeah, right, maybe I don't know Kenemine, but like

1128
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 8: they are so they're they're open into trying anything they

1129
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 8: can in order to be their best selves.

1130
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: And to open other parts of your mind. And I think,

1131
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Jobs did like drugs every day, you

1132
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it really has been a

1133
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: part of tech culture, Silicon Valley culture, innovation culture, creative

1134
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: culture forever. It's just interesting now that like we're all

1135
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: regulating it.

1136
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: Well now, oh yes, Like I'm gonna take this cocaine pill.

1137
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to micro dosk.

1138
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's going Like I know, I don't

1139
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: do cocaine, just micro dove.

1140
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all yeah macro, Oh my god. This is

1141
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: just about we are not.

1142
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 5: Here, no no no.

1143
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: I support some jug use.

1144
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: I support Lion's Maine, ash Ganda. I support that's not direct.

1145
00:52:51,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 4: Those psychedelics mushroom yeah, psilocybin yeah, marijuana, fine.

1146
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of the all the natural things things that

1147
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: are legal. Let's go that route.

1148
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: As legal.

1149
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, some places, uh it depends on the dotage.

1150
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's true white people did be

1151
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: invested in themselves and we need to take a note

1152
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: out of their book because you're right, and that's the difference.

1153
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: And even like I also thought about what we were

1154
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: talking about earlier, is like you could work so hard

1155
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: and then you're like, oh shit, you look up and

1156
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: you're like your kids are fucking eight, and you're like

1157
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 4: you were just three.

1158
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 2: What the fuck happened?

1159
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: And like I did all this shit, and I granted,

1160
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 4: I'm happy I did this ship. Yeah, but it's like, okay,

1161
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 4: like if I die tomorrow, what the fuck is important?

1162
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: You know? Like all these fires that I put.

1163
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: Out, like the cliff didn't go out today, you know,

1164
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 4: like nobody gives a fun but like my kid and

1165
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 4: like you know, your family and like you realize especially

1166
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: when you put your head down and you work and

1167
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 4: you're working new work you start when you as you

1168
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: get older, your parents get older, you know, the people

1169
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: around shit happens, yeah, fucking pandemics and shiit. People die,

1170
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: like like your mortality comes in and then you're like

1171
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 4: you don't want something extreme to have to happen for

1172
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: you to have to shift. You should value your life

1173
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: and your success and your work in the presence so

1174
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 4: that you're not like trying to catch up or like

1175
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's not like there's a balance. There's like

1176
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 4: this this harmonious balance that has to be found, because

1177
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: if we work ourselves to death, then we haven't spent

1178
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: time with the people we loved, and we haven't laughed hard,

1179
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 4: and we haven't done cartwheels. And you had dessert, had dessert,

1180
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 4: you know, and like cried and like experienced the success

1181
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: and at every stage, then what the fuck is it?

1182
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 4: You know, because like we'll never be at this stage again,

1183
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: right here where we're at, like right here.

1184
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: This beautiful stage. Every stage is beautiful. And I think

1185
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: that's another thing that like I'd learned along the way.

1186
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: There's I yearn for the moments when we were back

1187
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: in the office Artist Laft, where I live next door,

1188
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: and people would just knock on my door, and I'm.

1189
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: Like, was it like what we do today?

1190
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'd loved those days, but in those days

1191
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking about today it's too much. So yeah,

1192
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: like I think it's so important for all of us

1193
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: to really value I call it my three day window.

1194
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: Like if I can look back in the last three days,

1195
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: have I done at least some of the things that

1196
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: bring me joy? Have I talked to some of the

1197
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: people that bring me joy? Like if it's just all work, work,

1198
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: work for the future. Nope, that's good.

1199
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Speaker 4: That's a good measure too. Let me just looking at

1200
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 4: that last three days, like that's easy.

1201
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 3: I literally have a calendar reminder. This is so sad,

1202
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: but also maybe a calendar reminder my phone for a

1203
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: joy appointment, Like what are you.

1204
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: Doing those joy appointments? Yea, what I get like.

1205
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 5: Master big, get my nails done, and you know whatever.

1206
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: Have a call a friend I haven't talked to in

1207
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: a while, They've been meaning to call and talk to

1208
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: they take a month and sometimes like it's it's creating

1209
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: those habits that then become just standard and you don't

1210
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: even they don't have to be appointments anymore, right or

1211
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: just you just do it. But unfortunately I had to

1212
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: create one because I was like, yo, I'm not like,

1213
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm not like present, I'm not calling, I'm not doing

1214
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: anything for myself. Everything is about hitting this deadline, getting

1215
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: to this, getting to that, sending that email, checking this,

1216
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: d da da da, and I was like, WHOA. So

1217
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, for those that are listening

1218
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: and those that are you know, starting their own businesses

1219
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: and in the thick of it, like it's so important

1220
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: to take a step back and take a moment to

1221
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: check in with yourself and and be present, because you're right,

1222
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: these moments won't last. I think about me and me

1223
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: Lias sitting in our living room for those of listening

1224
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: from the beginning, you know, like we started this podcast

1225
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 3: in my dining room, and those days of like long

1226
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: nights recording at like twelve am when our kids were asleep,

1227
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: editing until the wee morning because we were recording the

1228
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: day before the episode came out. Like I missed those days.

1229
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: I mean, do I want to be doing that specifically, No,

1230
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: but like those days were so we're so amazing, and

1231
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: I think we did. I think I did relish and

1232
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: spend time in those moments. But there were moments where

1233
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: I was like, please God, get me out of this.

1234
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: I agree, like please, I want to be here right

1235
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: now in Studio City, in my fucking podcast studio. That's right,

1236
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: you know, not trying to get it off.

1237
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 4: An hour episode off of seventeen Apple phones and thirty

1238
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: minute increments.

1239
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 5: So grin is real.

1240
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: I think people really underestimate the amount of consistency that's

1241
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: required for like this type of work. You have to

1242
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: be consistent. There's no other way around it.

1243
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: No one should have ever taught us the word sweat equity.

1244
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: As soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, yeah,

1245
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 4: my sweat equity is high.

1246
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: Any any person that gives us what offers us a deal,

1247
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: We're like, you're just equity, but they don't care. I

1248
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: also had to learn that too. I'm like, I'm this

1249
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: isn't my value. They don't give a ship. They will

1250
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: walk away.

1251
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: They're like, we put the numbers in this calculator and

1252
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 4: it says right here that you are worth no sweat equity.

1253
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: Calendar it and no matter how successful you get, that

1254
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: will never change. They will always Yeah. I mean literally

1255
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: as recently as a couple of months ago. Like let's

1256
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: say you're raising money and like I've raised around twelve

1257
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: million dollars a little more than that. I remember, I

1258
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: owned all of my stock. So there's this thing when

1259
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: startup world where like you get stock and then you vest,

1260
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: so like you get your stock over a certain period

1261
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: of time because they don't want you to leave. So

1262
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: I had fully vested. I owned all my shares. I

1263
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: got money from a fund, and they're like, great, we're

1264
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna take away experson of your shares and they have

1265
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: to revest. But I'm like, I already earned that sweat equity.

1266
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: That's those those shares are mine, right, what are you

1267
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: talking about. You can give me new shares and those

1268
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: can vest, but like I'm vesting against myself. It's a pie, right,

1269
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: so like the more shares you give me, you're actually

1270
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: just shrinking the pie I already have. Like it's a

1271
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: weird dance.

1272
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: So I'm like, think this crazy.

1273
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: Like y'all can literally say we're going to give you money,

1274
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: but then you're gonna we're gonna take the shares you

1275
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: already have that are yours that you've earned and make

1276
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: you wait for years to get them back. It's interesting,

1277
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: it never ends, and that's like part of the course.

1278
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: Like it's not a oh my god, like a Morgan

1279
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: was mistreated thing like that is how venture works. But

1280
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, those are the hard things about being in business.

1281
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: There's so many things that are in power structures that

1282
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: we are not exposed to that like, you know, you

1283
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: could take that ship personally, which I did, and I

1284
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: had to call a couple of people and be like

1285
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: is this normal? Like they're like, yeah, you know you

1286
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: have to sign it. I have to. Yeah, yeah, there's

1287
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: no like popping off. They're like no, no, no, like

1288
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: this is standard. I'm like okay, but it just never ends.

1289
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: I think that, like you know, people that are listening

1290
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: that are you know, maybe work in tech and want

1291
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: to know more about how like how to raise money

1292
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: or like what is what are some like first of all,

1293
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: what are some like know how like.

1294
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 5: Things you shouldn't do?

1295
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 3: And then like maybe like three things that you should

1296
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: do or like some tips when it comes to raising capital.

1297
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about it?

1298
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: We've thought about it, thought about Yeah, this is for

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Speaker 3: me the questions from us because she was actually we're

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Speaker 3: having this conversation like before you came, and she was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if like our business is one like

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Speaker 3: where we would need to like raise capital.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck guess it is?

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Speaker 1: I think I think I was like money all the time.

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Speaker 4: No, but I think that there's this fear because for me,

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Speaker 4: like I'm not coming from like I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't come into like business entrepreneurship with tools. My

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Speaker 4: parents were like, here, here's a.

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Speaker 2: Business, here's your LLC, here's your credit.

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Speaker 1: That's right, is don't your credit?

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Speaker 2: And here's one hundred thousand dollars. Figure it out?

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Speaker 4: But like so there's all these so a lot of

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Speaker 4: times and even people are just chatting like, you know,

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Speaker 4: do you need investors?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, we're covering our bills right now.

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Speaker 2: Do we need to be taking money from somebody?

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Speaker 4: Like I'm wondering, like and I asked her that, I

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Speaker 4: was like, do all businesses need to take investments? Because

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Speaker 4: for us, you know, maybe there have been opportunities now

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Speaker 4: when I was ever can even try to offer the

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Speaker 4: twelve million dollars, But I'm always wondering, like is it

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Speaker 4: of our is it in our best interest to have

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Speaker 4: like because for us, I'm like, I'm gonna owe you

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Speaker 4: some money, like obviously not as personally but the business.

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Speaker 4: And there's this like I feel like if I can

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Speaker 4: pay for our own ship, and I mean, I guess

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Speaker 4: we can expand more with more money. But there's this

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Speaker 4: is just like in like this underlying fear because I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not fully versed in the world of

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Speaker 4: investments or you know, like all these things that immediately

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Speaker 4: my mind goes to, I'm going to owe you some money.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's all Black's how I don't have Parney.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure, right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how.

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Speaker 3: That's how we that's how we feel, and and there's

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Speaker 3: a part of me that feels that way. But I

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Speaker 3: think because i've well, I have my mom has grown

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Speaker 3: her company. My mom is a founder and she owns

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Speaker 3: a beauty brand, Beauty Wonder, And so I've seen her.

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Speaker 3: She's it's a privately owned company. She's had investors try

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Speaker 3: to come in and you know, have these talks and things,

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Speaker 3: but ultimately she hasn't had she had and had any

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Speaker 3: investors in the twenty years of her having her company.

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Speaker 3: So I've seen her do it on her own, So

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Speaker 3: I know it's possible. But I know that there's even

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Speaker 3: at a time now where she's kind of like, bitch,

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Speaker 3: I'm tired facts. I'm also like, am I gonna be

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Speaker 3: running this company forever?

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Speaker 1: Aircar? Are you gonna run this company? Ession?

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Speaker 5: What are you doing? Or you look like you're busy

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Speaker 5: over there, that's right.

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Speaker 3: So and you know, I'm looking at my at our

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Speaker 3: company and I'm like, yeah, okay, we have good, good

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Speaker 3: media here, we have our podcast studio. But I have

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Speaker 3: like big dreams for this. I have like way bigger dreams.

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Speaker 3: I have big studio dreams for this, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna invest all my money in this shit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you all are literally the case study. You

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Speaker 1: have the ambition, you have the network. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: all are very well connected. So it's not like you're

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Speaker 1: not sitting in Kansas where you don't know nobody. You know,

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Speaker 1: I say, like you're in La and you have a

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Speaker 1: sweat equity. So you know, I think in terms of

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Speaker 1: how people should evaluate venture funding because there's also different

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Speaker 1: types of funding. Right, So venture funding, the venture capital industry,

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Speaker 1: when peop say VCS is what venture capital stands for,

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Speaker 1: is really about investing in high growth startups that can

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Speaker 1: get a ten x plus return on the money that

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Speaker 1: that investor is giving you. So somebody gives you ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars they expect to get back, you know, fifty

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Speaker 1: to one hundred million back. That's how much I owe

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Speaker 1: these people. You know what I'm saying. But I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, we did. Like we're good now, you.

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Speaker 2: Know the day maybe a lot of money, maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Right, but it's that that's the equation you have to make.

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Speaker 1: But also when you look at production companies and you

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Speaker 1: look at production studios, how much do you think your

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Speaker 1: media is worth? How much do you think they praised?

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Speaker 1: A lot? Doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: My point is to have the vision.

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Speaker 3: I don't know because I went to their offices and

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Speaker 3: I said, bitch, how you got this office?

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Speaker 5: Google?

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Speaker 2: Google?

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Speaker 1: Google, look it up right now.

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Speaker 2: It's in a building. We probably could figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Just literally google it. It's just Google. Dear media venture funding.

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Speaker 1: There will be articles on how much they've raised. The

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Speaker 1: reason why I want you to look it up is

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Speaker 1: because if there's someone in your world, in your industry

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Speaker 1: that does what you do, but maybe at a bigger scale,

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Speaker 1: and you can look at that they've raised venture frunchh.

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Speaker 5: Base would have been on crunch base.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve point seven million. Perfect.

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Speaker 4: And you know, in my mind, I was like, I

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Speaker 4: think we've had this kind run investor.

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Speaker 5: We know we still rounds of funding.

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Speaker 2: Her husband's rich, they are rich. They came from money.

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Speaker 2: That's literally what I told you.

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Speaker 1: We literally have not always the case. Sometimes they are

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Speaker 1: married to the boys, but.

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Speaker 2: They still got to ask.

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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty two they raised all of your

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Speaker 3: media's information. No, but this is four point seven million,

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Speaker 3: and then in twenty twenty they raised eight million. Wait

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Speaker 3: and what was the first magnet companies was the investor? Okay,

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Speaker 3: eight million was in twenty twenty and then first round

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Speaker 3: last year was four point seven million.

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Speaker 1: So first round would probably be their series seed seed

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Speaker 1: round and then goes to Series A or they did

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Speaker 1: a four million dollars Series A sounds too low, so

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Speaker 1: they probably just like of what we call a bridge

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Speaker 1: round in between the next rounds because they might have

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Speaker 1: been running out of money. My point is that it's doable, right,

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Speaker 1: and like I think that because they're not in our world,

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Speaker 1: like these people who are raising this money aren't a

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Speaker 1: part of our ecosystem all the time. It's just hard

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Speaker 1: to see and hard to believe. But the information is there.

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Speaker 3: What do you so so say, I'm dear media, what

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Speaker 3: do I need to have in place in order to

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Speaker 3: even go to an investor like I need to have? Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure business plans and sort of like fan of

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Speaker 3: action to just show like this is how I'm going

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Speaker 3: to make back your money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ish you think, but it's actually it's a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. One it's a deck, pitch deck, a PowerPoint

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Speaker 1: presentation of Google slides presentation.

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Speaker 2: But I'm the Cama queen. I can make it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about no camera maybe with the AI features.

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 1: Yes we can talk about AI. Yeah, I can go

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Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. But okay, so you need a

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Speaker 1: deck that says, this is who we are, this is

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Speaker 1: the market. So this is the total market, this is

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Speaker 1: the total podcasting market. This is how much is spent

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Speaker 1: in advertising, and right do you paint the big big

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, billion dollars, like black people listen to radio

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: at this and then radio is coming back, like I

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: want digital and urban radio makes this amount, you know

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Speaker 1: every year, hundreds of millions of dollars. And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take just like this slither of it, you know. So

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Speaker 1: that's what you're that's the picture you're painting. And then

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Speaker 1: you're like and then here's who we are and this

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01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: is our track record and like look how amazing we

1446
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: are and like da da da da And then you say,

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Speaker 1: and we're asking you to give us five million dollars,

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Speaker 1: and what we're gonna do with that is hire this

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Speaker 1: and hire this and rent this and get a studio

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, in the city of New York so that

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Speaker 1: all of our talent, we're going to license different shows

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01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do this whole thing. And then you

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Speaker 1: go and you talk to people.

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Speaker 5: And then if you don't do those things, what happens.

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Speaker 1: Baron down the street? What happens if you don't What

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: happens if you don't get it done? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I've been welcome to literally everyone, but like it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to raise money for everyone, not just black folks.

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Speaker 3: Like what if they give you the money and then

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Speaker 3: they don't succeed, You don't like your company, don't you

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Speaker 3: don't give them one hundred million dollars you owe them?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple of things happen, and this actually

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Speaker 1: happens a lot that people don't know what's happening, so

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Speaker 1: they get your company can get acquired. So let's say

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Speaker 1: you guys like aren't doing well. You'd call me and

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Speaker 1: be like, hey, so how would you feel about buying us,

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Speaker 1: and I would be like, sure, what are your numbers?

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Speaker 1: What are you this?

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Speaker 5: What are you that?

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Speaker 1: Like, I'll buy you. So then the headline is you

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Speaker 1: guys were acquired.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of times that's what's happening all the time.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes probably are acquired.

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Speaker 1: So you can't figure out, like this seems odd. They

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Speaker 1: don't look like they're doing well. They probably aren't.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you acquire a business?

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Speaker 1: Shotown act in travel noir? Okay, okay, those are both acquisitions.

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Speaker 1: Not to know, we're not we're not associating, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but yes, and I've been I've looked at many many

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Speaker 1: deals every week, right, And that's what happens a lot

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Speaker 1: of times. Sometimes you get the LinkedIn posts where you're like,

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: we ran out of money and we're done. And what

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: happens then is you liquidate your assets. You'd sell this couch,

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Speaker 1: you'd sell everything you've got. No, literally, seriously, it's traumatic.

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Speaker 1: They are like liquidation companies. We liquidated our office. It

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Speaker 1: was the most traumatic thing, like during COVID. And you

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Speaker 1: give that money to your investors, you pay them back first,

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Speaker 1: and then anything left, which there's nothing left, would go

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Speaker 1: to you. But there's nothing left because it didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: got it? But vcs know this, like that's already built

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Speaker 1: into the risk profile for you, so it's not anything

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Speaker 1: to for me. It's like they know what they're dealing with,

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Speaker 1: so you might as well aim for the stars, so

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Speaker 1: that it's really not so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it feels I think when you don't really

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Speaker 3: know the language and the landscape, it feels something like

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Speaker 3: totally unattainable to find a venture capitalist to invest in

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Speaker 3: your company, when really it isn't that.

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Speaker 1: That wild of it is doable. Yeah, I have seen

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Speaker 1: people way less successful than you and probably half y'all

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Speaker 1: listen to this, get it done.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me if there any venture capitalists listening. Good good

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 4: media is available for investments. It is not going to

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Speaker 4: make her our pitch deck on canvas.

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Speaker 2: My pitch jacks on canvas are the bar. Worry, where

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Speaker 2: do you see this ship?

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Speaker 1: What I love is when I get resumes made on

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01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: camp and I'm just like, yes, it's screaming financial director

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Speaker 1: from me.

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Speaker 2: When's your birthday?

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01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm ann Aquarius February six, February.

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: Six, Happy belated, thank you.

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01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: So it is my boyfriend who's waving from the other day.

1514
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 4: Deep connection to quariuses. You guys are a vibe.

1515
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 5: Wait, so what are the other types?

1516
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: So there's vcs and so you can take that Alan

1517
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: So we did that, Oh lord jesus, yeah, there's well

1518
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: not from like cabbage.

1519
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 5: We didn't. But he went with are you going to

1520
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 5: do this again?

1521
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: Were bitch ass?

1522
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 1: What the no?

1523
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 2: Jefferson Andrew Jefferson, Andrew Jeffrey Anderson.

1524
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 4: We went with bitch ass Jeffrey Anderson from the mother

1525
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 4: fucking direct funding.

1526
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: Don't ever go to those motherfuckers.

1527
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 4: They lie and they cheat and they lie and they

1528
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 4: cheat in duct in type form.

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: They did it in an email.

1530
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm dead fuck them. Why did you go into such

1531
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: a randomness? Weird?

1532
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: We were rushing, we weren't we.

1533
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 5: Just during COVID No, this is like, this is in September.

1534
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: What did we need money for? Working capital?

1535
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 5: Studio?

1536
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: Working capital? So I think that's the most common use

1537
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: of like needing money is because you need the money

1538
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: to build the things so you can make the money,

1539
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: but it's short term. It's just like a one time

1540
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: costs right, and a couple of things. You can take

1541
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: out a loan from wealthy individuals, which is like call

1542
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: convertible note, so it can convert into equity, or you

1543
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: can pay them back with the interest rate. That's like

1544
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: the safest thing to do.

1545
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: Or they'll take equity in your business, or they'll take.

1546
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: Equity in your business when you raise money. So it's

1547
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,520
Speaker 1: like eventually.

1548
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 2: A couple of months, Yeah I did that.

1549
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't remember, Yeah, I like you probably not forgot. Yeah,

1550
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: and it's gonna work out it around this range, just

1551
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: plus or minus.

1552
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1553
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: That's like super safe because you can always pay them

1554
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: back if you want, or you can raise and then

1555
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: you never have to pay them back they're converted to equity.

1556
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: You can take a line of credit from a bank,

1557
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: like a reputable bank.

1558
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we should have done.

1559
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 4: Ye, don't do it from a bitch ass motherfucker's probably

1560
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 4: sitting in a fucking apartment.

1561
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: She was.

1562
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: She was like, I feel like they're sitting in an

1563
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 3: apartment in Burbank, Like like in just like typing on computers,

1564
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: there's revenue based financing, which is like let's say you

1565
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 3: guys close like five huge deals and they're all worth

1566
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 3: like one hundred k each, so you've got half a

1567
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 3: million out in accounts, receivable.

1568
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: You can take a loan out on that accounts receivable.

1569
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: It's a revenue based financing. That's pretty good. Like, there's

1570
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: so many options for short term cash flow issues, and

1571
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: I think not enough people. They wait till they're in

1572
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: the cash flow issue to get the loan, which is

1573
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: the exact time not to. And I've learned this the

1574
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: hard way. There was a time when we didn't make payroll,

1575
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: where we were about to not make payroll, and I

1576
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: was like, damn, I really should get a loan right now.

1577
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: No nobody was to give you a loan when they're

1578
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: looking at your finances. You I got it, Like, that's

1579
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: not it right, And then so they do.

1580
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a high ass of other fucking interest.

1581
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: Right now. I can't do it, you know, So you

1582
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. But yeah, when you got the money,

1583
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: that's when you go get more financing. It's like, we

1584
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: just got I don't know whatever, I think this is

1585
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: public information. I don't know. At some point I'll put

1586
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: a press release out out of it. But we just

1587
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: got a ten million line of credit and do I

1588
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: need it?

1589
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 4: But it's nice to have it there, Yes, But also

1590
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 4: a line of credit is better to have and taking

1591
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 4: just X amount of dollars from some fucker in a

1592
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: bourbank apartment.

1593
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 5: That's right.

1594
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: Just for the it just gives you a peace of mind.

1595
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: Like if we need to pull against it, we can do.

1596
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: I pay an interest on it every month, sure, but

1597
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: at least.

1598
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: It's just for what you can go to sleep an

1599
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: mm hmm, growing pains, growing pains that.

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 5: We've that we've all had that.

1601
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: No black folks have scaled a podcast empire, like some

1602
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: people have done joint ventures with like iHeartMedia, like Charlemagne's

1603
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: is super successful Black effect. I think Loudspeaker Network's not

1604
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: black owned, but like this culture based. I don't think

1605
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: he's raised any money, but like there's an opportunity somebody

1606
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: will get this done.

1607
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean one thing I think has really kept

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 4: us I don't even know, like two Bitches and a Wish, but.

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: Like, hello, it is weird. Two bitches and a wish

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 2: boats in house.

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01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: Not must say, but Erica, you have a part point.

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think we've been like super clear

1613
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 4: and confident about our goal, super super confident, like and

1614
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 4: saying no and like not being worried and being like

1615
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 4: I know my value even if no one cares about

1616
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 4: my spot equity, we do, you know, and it's it's

1617
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: kind of toxic because we'd be like, we don't need them,

1618
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 4: fuck them, you know, it's like us convincing each other.

1619
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: But you need that.

1620
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 4: You need that like that clarity, and I'm like, I'm

1621
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 4: not going to sell out. I'm not selling anyone in

1622
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 4: my business for a portion of what I put into

1623
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 4: it because and then also just being so clear, because

1624
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 4: people are going to tell you if you whether or

1625
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 4: not they think you're valuable, or whether or not you're

1626
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: landing in a niche that's important or needs to be occupied,

1627
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 4: or if you say white bitches or nigga too much,

1628
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 4: you're not gonna get picked up or be popular, and

1629
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 4: then you're in target.

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: So I'm dead.

1631
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Well, switching gears real quick.

1632
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about love as an entrepreneur,

1633
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 3: you know, I you know, I think that you know,

1634
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 3: especially in your industry, I'm sure you've had to like

1635
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: kind of protect yourself and maybe probably the early days

1636
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: of like you know, what people can access about your life,

1637
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 3: and I've seen that you've kind of kind of opened

1638
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: up a little bit and started to share, you know,

1639
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 3: different aspects of your relationship and love and how has

1640
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 3: that been for you and really what was the inspiration

1641
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: behind really showing you know, that part of your life.

1642
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well simple answer, I'm done.

1643
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 2: This is it?

1644
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: So I just kind of like I felt like some

1645
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm thirty three, so started Blabin I was twenty four.

1646
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: Don't want to date me when I'm twenty four years old?

1647
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: Like not cute? You know what I mean? Like we're

1648
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: in the mud. I actually I had a boyfriend when

1649
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: I started the company, and then we were long distance,

1650
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: broke up, and then I was just you know, you

1651
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: meet so many people when you are fundraising and going

1652
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: to events and it's a it's a male, you know,

1653
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: it's me and all the guests, right, And that was

1654
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: really hard for me to I'm like, are we friends?

1655
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: Are we colleagues? Are you trying to have sex with me?

1656
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: Like like going on? You know?

1657
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: And I made moves.

1658
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: I made mistakes, like I fell in love with different people,

1659
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 1: Like I went through all the ups and downs that

1660
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: any girl in her twenties goes through. And I also

1661
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: knew along the way, like these people probably aren't my

1662
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: forever people, and you know, building in public is not

1663
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: the easiest, and I didn't want any inkling of my

1664
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: personal life to like impact my business or the perception

1665
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: of my success. Like there was a time when if

1666
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: you google my name, people were googling like Morgan and

1667
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: Bond boyfriend, like Morgan Bond dad, as if there was

1668
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: like a man secretly like financing my life.

1669
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm just working really hard, not the

1670
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,520
Speaker 2: dad and the boyfriend.

1671
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: There must be there must be a man like and

1672
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: it's like there's no man like it stand as me

1673
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: and go founders like who are men? But like I'm

1674
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: still me? You know, so I think that I just

1675
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: had I was so cautious not to step into any

1676
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: of those stereotypes because I worked so hard and I

1677
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: was just very much like no, fuck y'all, like like

1678
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, maybe even to my own detriment,

1679
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: like because people could have maybe probably weren't trying to

1680
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: sleep with me, but like just wanted to help. And

1681
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, men have helped me so much

1682
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: along the way. My investors are men, et cetera. But

1683
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: I felt like my personal life it just wasn't like

1684
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: there you know, it wasn't to the point where it

1685
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: was like worthy of space and time and interaction, and

1686
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: I needed to be fully happy and enjoy self. And

1687
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: I think COVID allowed me the physical space because I

1688
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: wasn't on the road like traveling every week, and the

1689
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: business was stable after we got through the initial chaos

1690
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: we all went through with like George Floyd and the

1691
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: election and all this stuff. But once I made it

1692
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: through all of that, I really was in peace and

1693
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: I was just so happy. And that is also oftentimes

1694
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: when you find the right person, you know. And I

1695
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: was very committed to finding my partner in life, like

1696
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: I very much was. I took my friends are like

1697
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: you dated like it was a job, Like I was serious,

1698
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: you know. And I had this one thing that I

1699
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: would tell guys that I'm dating, like one, I'm keeping

1700
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: my options opient open, Like I do not aspire to

1701
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: be a girlfriend. I aspire to be a wife and

1702
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: a mom. So you know, I like the girlfriend is

1703
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: title is like not the thing for me. So if

1704
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for as a girlfriend, we probably

1705
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: aren't the right fit or we should just like stay open,

1706
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: you know.

1707
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 3: And I think so many women are so afraid to

1708
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 3: lead with their need, their wants, and their desires. They

1709
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 3: feel like they're going to scare off that person. And

1710
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: I always tell people like, if they're scared, then they're

1711
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: not for they're not for you. Well it makes you

1712
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 3: some women think they'll sound needy, needy and desperate.

1713
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: I think that men aspire to be married and to

1714
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: find their partner just as much as women do. Like

1715
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: my male friends, who are the worst guys ever, they're like,

1716
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: I want to be married. I'm like, are you kidding?

1717
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 1: Your actions are lining up?

1718
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 5: Sir?

1719
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: They don't line up, But I do think they genuinely

1720
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: mean it, Like they genuinely they're like, yeah, I want

1721
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: like a wife and I have kids, but I want

1722
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: my wife and my kids to being the same woman,

1723
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: Like I want to do all the things. They can't

1724
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: get there any times assume with their behavior, but like

1725
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: they want it just as much as we do. And

1726
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: the idea that they don't I think is something we

1727
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: try to tell ourselves because it makes ourselves feel better.

1728
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: But I actually think they do, and it just needs

1729
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: to be the right circumstances right, you know, and the

1730
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: right person. And I had to get really comfortable with

1731
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: I may be single for the rest of my life.

1732
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: And I think once I accept I did that, Like one,

1733
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: men are infinite, there's billions of them. Like my odds

1734
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: are my favor right that part. But if it doesn't happen,

1735
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: I live a beautiful life I have. I have more

1736
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 1: than work. I walk, I pain, I garden, I like,

1737
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: I have a rich, juicy life. So you know you

1738
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: don't work out, it will work out, right, So I

1739
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: think that was that was like the second thing was

1740
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: just like feeling comfortable in self, and then I think

1741
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: that also just makes you so much more attractive, like

1742
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: just being a studio and a bass like these guys

1743
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: don't give a ship.

1744
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 5: In fact, it's probably scary, Yeah, it an would be.

1745
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: It's some my like men would be intimidated by you,

1746
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: for sure. Absolutely they've definitely said that. Or like guys

1747
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, I've had a question forever, but

1748
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: I was just so intimidated. I'm like, okay, well, yeah,

1749
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: like sounds good for you, Like I'm good bro, like

1750
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure there's men who are like

1751
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: kicking themselves now because they thought I was this hardcore,

1752
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: intense person and then they see me now and they're like, oh, man,

1753
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: she looks squishy, you know what I mean, Like damn,

1754
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, say me. But women are in phases.

1755
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: We have to feel safe, and I think, you know,

1756
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: I worked on myself first, and then I was out

1757
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: in the world looking and receiving, you know, and actually

1758
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: being able to receive all the love and the energy

1759
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: that was coming my way. And the more you receive,

1760
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: the more it becomes easier to find and navigate to

1761
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: the person that's right for you.

1762
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 5: Is do you require your partner to.

1763
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: Be?

1764
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 5: And I have no idea what your partner does.

1765
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: I know that he exports, he helps you out with

1766
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 3: your productions and stuff like that, But I'm just wondering,

1767
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: like Morgan before versus Morgan, then was it important for

1768
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: your partner to be like equally yoked? Because I think

1769
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 3: a lot of times too, because I only say this

1770
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 3: because I think, like I think, as women we are.

1771
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 3: Our inclinations sometimes is to say no. But then as

1772
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 3: time goes on, it's not even us. It's usually the

1773
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 3: men that become less over time, become I guess somewhat

1774
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 3: insecure about you know, the position that their woman is

1775
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: in versus them. And it becomes like this issue, I'm

1776
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: just curious, like that is that important to you?

1777
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 2: Is that something that yeah, this is something that's important

1778
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: to you.

1779
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: You know, I dated them all. I mean I dated

1780
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: guys who worked normal nine to fives. I dated guys

1781
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: who are you know, aspiring LA people. I dated you know,

1782
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: your New York forty year old plus ballers, Like I

1783
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: dated that at all. Like I was a non discriminatory

1784
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: black I promostly do. Yeah, I've only did black black men.

1785
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: But other than that, I'm like, I'm like, you're good,

1786
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: like you fine, okay? Wein So I think now, like

1787
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: what my original criteria like as I was just like

1788
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: thinking through, Okay, what's the right fit for me? Was

1789
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: people who could I could live my full life with

1790
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I had to compartmentalize. And

1791
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: I think just how they made me feel was most important.

1792
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: So if I felt like like I've got to go

1793
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: to LA this week, I've got to New York this week,

1794
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: I've got to go over here, I've got to go here,

1795
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: Like are they gonna be like, oh my god, You're

1796
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: never home. Are they gonna be like okay, Like I'll

1797
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: meet you there right, like can they meet me? There

1798
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: are they got to go take vacation days, but they

1799
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: don't have right, Like if they can, if we can

1800
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: just live our full lives together, that's all that I want.

1801
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: So then their job does matter a little bit.

1802
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 5: They can't.

1803
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: That's their choice, like I if they had a job

1804
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: like one. I think people choose their jobs like generally, right,

1805
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you choose a nine to five that

1806
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: has a fixed amount of vacation days and you need

1807
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: approval for all these things, and I'm like, yo, we

1808
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: just got invited to like the oscars. Are you coming

1809
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: or are you not? Like I'm going, are you coming?

1810
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 8: Right?

1811
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: So, like that is their choice. And if they can't

1812
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: live with those choices and they're gonna resent me for

1813
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: living my life that I've worked really hard for, then

1814
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: they're not the right man for me. And a lot

1815
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: of men men opted out, Like a lot of men

1816
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 1: like get into it and they opt out. They're like

1817
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: I've got too much going on, or like I need

1818
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: they see how impactful my work is and like I

1819
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: really got to work on my career, so they opt out. Okay,

1820
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: you should go do that. It's the wrong timing for us.

1821
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: You won't be dead the oscars, right, I mean, I

1822
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: get it.

1823
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's important I want my partner

1824
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 3: to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

1825
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Fuck. Yeah, we say in beautiful hotel, are working so

1826
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: hard for to just be here by myself, That's what

1827
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So like naturally, I was attracted to men

1828
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: that had more control over their own calendars, you know,

1829
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: but that could be a number of careers. You could

1830
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: be artists, you could be a business person. I mean,

1831
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: you could be I don't know, fucking entrepreneurialing lawns like

1832
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't care. You could have a landscaping company, but you.

1833
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 4: Can get You have the leisure to leave when you

1834
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 4: feel like leaving. You're not tied to anybody else's schedule

1835
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 4: for you, right, I mean you said you said a

1836
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 4: word like women. You don't know what you said, but

1837
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: it's true. Men women do all the things when they

1838
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 4: feel safe.

1839
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, feeling safe is critical safety safety and.

1840
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: Like not having any feel like the comparted to mentalize

1841
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: or you know, like shrink.

1842
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: Look a certain way, like you know, my boyfriend loves

1843
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: me when I'm like I actually can't function and I'm

1844
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: in a bathtub right now, like eating Indian food and like,

1845
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: just let me be. He loves me that much as

1846
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: much as when I'm you know, all glammed up wearing

1847
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful gown, like it doesn't matter to him. But

1848
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I would have found that here

1849
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: in La. You met him in Nashville, Okay, they met

1850
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: at a bar.

1851
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: Really love old fashion crazy?

1852
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, the safety thing is is really I mean,

1853
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 3: I think all women resonate with that word period, Like

1854
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 3: you will get the soft Morgan when I feel safe.

1855
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 5: You know, you will get the soft Erica.

1856
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 3: When I feel safe, I will fucking put toothpaste on

1857
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 3: your toothbrush before you wake up in the morning.

1858
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 1: Joyfully, happily.

1859
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 2: I think men here feel man here feel safe, and

1860
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 2: they're like, I have a.

1861
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 1: Protect I will be domesticated for you if you joyfully

1862
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: you know, like I want to. I literally will stop

1863
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: my day and I will make him lunch and like

1864
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: bring it to him because I want to, not because

1865
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: I have to because I couldn't afford to get you

1866
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: uber eats, Like because you're hungry and I'm making myself

1867
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: lunch and here you go, Like I think that ginger

1868
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: roles are empowering when you just do whatever the fuck

1869
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: you want to do, And like that's actually what being

1870
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: like full love is is you can actually just be

1871
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: yourself so much so that I don't even know that

1872
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: I knew who, like all of myself was because I

1873
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: couldn't let myself be one hundred percent anywhere with anyway,

1874
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: and like I just wasn't there yet, so he actually

1875
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: unlocked other parts of me.

1876
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: I was like, huh, I even know I had to,

1877
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I.

1878
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Didn't know I could be so carefree, Like I'm not

1879
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: gonn sleep so good, Like you know, I used to

1880
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: be so terrified living in a house alone, like I would.

1881
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I was just scared all the time. I would sleep

1882
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: in hotel rooms and double check all the things, Like

1883
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: I was just constantly scared for my safety. Girl, I

1884
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: walk across the street, I don't even look across because

1885
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm holding his hands. Like that's how safe I feel.

1886
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: And that's beautiful.

1887
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 5: I love that.

1888
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: I do love that.

1889
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been together?

1890
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: Almost two years?

1891
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: You guys have lived together?

1892
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we moved in like month three three?

1893
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, get over here, get in here when you know,

1894
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: you know, your big as house. Yeah, come on in.

1895
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: You got a dog, that's fine, just to spring them too.

1896
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 5: You're alarm system.

1897
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I do call her my little security system.

1898
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm happy for you.

1899
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1900
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I think love can be really healing and

1901
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 2: if you know, if you feel safe.

1902
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: I've never thought it would be true. I was not

1903
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: a fairy tale person.

1904
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 4: I think it's also when you stop like seeking it,

1905
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 4: you stop looking your stuff like is it coming, and

1906
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 4: then it's.

1907
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm in it.

1908
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: But being in a place to receive it.

1909
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, being that's that's crucial too. It's like, and

1910
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that is the work that

1911
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 3: you do before you find the love. Ye, the work

1912
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: can be is completed, not all I don't know if

1913
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: it's ever fully completed, but you can do a lot

1914
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 3: of healing in the relationship, you know. I don't think

1915
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 3: you have to be this healed up person to then

1916
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 3: finally enter into relationship, but there is a level of

1917
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: like healing and acknowledgment and safety within yourself that has

1918
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: to happen before it's.

1919
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 5: Just more clear.

1920
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like we were able to move really quickly,

1921
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: like so much of everyone.

1922
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 2: Was like are you sure?

1923
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: Like work has lost your fucking mind and she's posting

1924
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: this man, like what is going on? Like people were shocked,

1925
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, like this is my twin flame,

1926
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: Like this is it's done? Like when it's so clear

1927
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: because I've already I'd already accepted the life without them,

1928
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: you know.

1929
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I want you in it.

1930
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is I think. Ye, I don't need you,

1931
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't need you, but this is but I start

1932
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: every day yeah like selfishly.

1933
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love that.

1934
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 7: Well.

1935
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 2: On that note, do you have an affirmation that you

1936
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: can share with Yeah, here, I.

1937
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: Feel like it's been changing since we've been talking because

1938
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: I started off with one. But I don't think it's

1939
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: bad anymore. My affirmation for the ladies is, you know,

1940
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I am full, I'm living a rich, juicy life and

1941
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm in control of my future.

1942
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: I am full, I'm living a rich, juicy life and

1943
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 3: I am in control of my future.

1944
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Yes right, yes, yes, emphasis on the juicy life, juicy

1945
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: and I'm in control.

1946
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 5: Yes.

1947
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 2: Do we have we had Morgan Pool a card at

1948
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: the top of the show.

1949
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Speaker 4: Time shout out to Mahogany tarot deck, our beautiful black

1950
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Speaker 4: card deck and cashieron.

1951
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Speaker 2: You pulled the four of cups? Okay, the cups are

1952
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: usually having to do with emotions.

1953
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 4: This one means meditation, contemplation, apathy, and reevaluation. It says

1954
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 4: here when the four of cups turns up into tarot reading,

1955
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 4: new invitations and opportunities are flowing to you, but for

1956
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 4: now you're saying no and turning them away. Perhaps the

1957
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 4: prospects do not interest you, or your cup is full,

1958
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 4: or you already have too much on your plate. Use

1959
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 4: your discernment to decide on what is truly important to you,

1960
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 4: and don't be afraid to decline new projects that don't

1961
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 4: align with your future path.

1962
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: This is definitely happening. I feel very guilty.

1963
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 4: The four of cups can also indicate a time when

1964
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 4: you are turning your attention and your energy internally to

1965
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 4: realign to this new phase of your life. You know

1966
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 4: that you need to be standing on a on tara

1967
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 4: firma before you can decide your next steps. While you

1968
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 4: may while you may need to decline some very alluring opportunities,

1969
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 4: you do so knowing you'll be in a better position

1970
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 4: to say yes to the opportunities that are better fit

1971
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 4: for you. You are creating the space within yourself so

1972
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 4: that you are ready to accept new opportunities later and

1973
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 4: give them the best possibility of success. Use this time

1974
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 4: for inward reflection, grounding, and contemplation before accepting the next

1975
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 4: big thing.

1976
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 2: It's like, don't put out the little fires, think about

1977
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: the future.

1978
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: It's pretty accurate. I feel like I say no to staff,

1979
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: Like I said no to going to the White House

1980
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: and this that, And my partner was like, are you sure,

1981
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Like this is such like a cool thing. I'm like,

1982
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I just it's I can't. I can't say yes to everything,

1983
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, And then I said, Then they came back

1984
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: with something else. I was like, ah, I'm saying yes

1985
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: to that, but if I said yes to the other steps,

1986
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's how balance you never know?

1987
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, trusting your intuition and knowing your worth and

1988
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: knowing your value is is key. And just knowing that

1989
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 3: when one door closes, another door opens, and even if

1990
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 3: you close that door, you know another door still opens. Absolutely,

1991
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 3: possibilities are endless.

1992
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 5: Well, Morgan, thank you.

1993
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 2: So much for coming on our show. This is such

1994
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: such a lovely chat.

1995
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 5: I'm so happy that we finally got to meet you.

1996
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 5: And even though we did sort of.

1997
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: Fall on you a few months back, your friend I said, sorry,

1998
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I will, I will, that's so funny.

1999
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Coming over to say something, and then I tripped, so

2000
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 2: it was over, but.

2001
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I remembered it now I'm here.

2002
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. You've been like, you're very

2003
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 4: much inspiration and I'm proud of you. You're doing an

2004
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 4: amazing fucking job and it's amazing to watch.

2005
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: Thank you. I can't wait to be your angel investor.

2006
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well, from your mouth to God's ears.

2007
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: When it's time, there's a lot of subt equity. Come

2008
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: and be like, that's what I can all matter.

2009
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 5: Can you tell our people where they can find you?

2010
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: Yes, you can find me on Instagram, which is very boring.

2011
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: So go on TikTok where I actually can show you

2012
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: my whole life.

2013
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: Oh is your tiktoking over there?

2014
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh? My TikTok is way more fun Instagram. Like, clients

2015
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram and employees follow me on Instagram,

2016
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like on TikTok you're hiding. Well, I'm like,

2017
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: you can find me, but it's more of like you

2018
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: chose to follow me on TikTok. If I get weird,

2019
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: this is your fault. Like Instagram is basically Facebook now,

2020
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you can only boast so much and

2021
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm a I'm the people's Instagram

2022
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: and TikTok is not more fun for me personally.

2023
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 5: What's your TikTok? Is it Morgan's mom?

2024
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2025
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 3: Okay, of course is my name And we'll leave all

2026
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,839
Speaker 3: of Morgan's infos in the episode description.

2027
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: Make sure you click our episode description to check.

2028
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 5: Out our book, which is on pre sale.

2029
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 3: Check out our retreat just like cancel that lace front appointment, girl,

2030
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 3: and just come on and good book, the Good Vibe Retreat.

2031
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 3: We're going to Mexico in July. We have two dates,

2032
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 3: all inclusive. Amazing women find come find your tribe. This

2033
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 3: is where you come find your tribe. This is where

2034
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 3: you detach from the bullshit. Come relax, decompress, you know.

2035
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 4: Switch up, switch up your timeline, do some new shit,

2036
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 4: make switch up your environment, relearn yourself and remember who

2037
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 4: the fuck you are.

2038
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Make new friends.

2039
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, new friends. It's hard to make a friend.

2040
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: It is it is, It is hard, and it is hard,

2041
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: but when you're there. It's so fucking easy. It is.

2042
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 5: It's so easy.

2043
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:24,799
Speaker 3: And you know, the women that come on our retreats,

2044
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 3: they're like literally hanging out. I'm sure like right this

2045
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 3: very moment. I look on our discord every day and

2046
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 3: they're like, look who I'm with, and I'm like.

2047
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

2048
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 3: It warms my heart to see them, like, continue the

2049
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 3: friendships past this experience. So if you are looking for

2050
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 3: your new bestie, I guarantee you you will find her

2051
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 3: here or just bring your bestie with you.

2052
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll see you guys next week.

2053
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Bye bye.

2054
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is going up.

2055
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Speaker 2: Ellena J Solo BAA record, The Loos and Elas