WEBVTT - Doing Time with Tim "the Cokeman" Allen

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dutton, Well, Zaron Brunette. So nice to see you,

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<v Speaker 2>so good to see You've been good.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been great.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for if you got a second yeh, yes, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's ridiculous I do, dude to share.

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<v Speaker 3>With the Okay? You know, like, viral videos are pretty

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<v Speaker 3>ridiculous generally speaking. Yeah, there's one that came out last year,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two of this dude. I think you've probably

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<v Speaker 3>seen it. He's a like a he's at a ballpark,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's at Yankee Stadium, and he gets a beer,

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<v Speaker 3>and he gets a hot dog, and he takes a

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<v Speaker 3>straw and he hollows out the hot dog yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>then uses it the hot dog straw for beer, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think is completely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there it is really. No is the hidden mashup?

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<v Speaker 3>No, there is a hidden mashup. Okay, So I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>the only one who thought that that was ridiculous. Everybody

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>We all agreed on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Including Oscar Meyer. Oh no, Oscar Meyer has a hot

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<v Speaker 3>dog straw available. Now I'm not made out of real

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog. What it's made of silicone, so it's reusable.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the point, because it's the it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The funny anyway. It's a tube steak shaped straw made

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<v Speaker 3>out of silicone. And then this article in the takeout

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<v Speaker 3>notes a material often used to simulate the feel of

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<v Speaker 3>human skin. Oh, the straw is intended to be a

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<v Speaker 3>reusable item that you can use. And I okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>you go to the website the hot Dog Straw websitemyer

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<v Speaker 3>dot com, which I've been going to every bleeping morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hitting refreshed refreshment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because okay, it says, pre order your hot dog

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<v Speaker 3>straw today, and I give them my name. I give

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<v Speaker 3>them my email address, which is a coveted state secret.

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<v Speaker 3>I give them my phone number. Can you believe that

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<v Speaker 3>I give them my address, I give them headquarters address,

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<v Speaker 3>and then like, okay, you check that you're at least

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen years old, and then you enter your name. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you say like, okay, you're gonna send me garbage, like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, emails and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, admitting to the garbage.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, whatever, I want a straw, you have to enter

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<v Speaker 3>one of those captures like I'm not a robot. Ok Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>then you click pre order now, and every single day

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<v Speaker 3>it comes back to me. Sorry, you know, we're sold

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<v Speaker 3>out for today. Try again tomorrow. Done this every morning

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<v Speaker 3>since I found out about it, I try and get

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<v Speaker 3>bright and early. I got to get up earlier, man, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and so anyway, no purchase necessary void. We're prohibited, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think these should be prohibited in the at least

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<v Speaker 3>the lower forty eight. Like I said, you gotta be

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<v Speaker 3>over eighteen, which, like that's creepy. It says all supplies

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<v Speaker 3>last ends September fifth, twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you only have a few more days of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure that people are going to hear this

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<v Speaker 3>episode after September fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so they won't be competition for you.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll just have like a toime. We'll just have a

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<v Speaker 3>time capsule of my frustration.

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<v Speaker 2>My fingers are crossed for the appointment, but you get

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<v Speaker 2>this fleshy.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's got to get me one of these hot dog straws.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Oscar Meyer personally. They I went to his house.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked them. They didn't answer me. We'll try again, Oscar,

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<v Speaker 3>can you hear me? They don't answer me. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I want a hot dog straw and it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That is damn ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the end.

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<v Speaker 2>It should still be a real hot dog. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I got one for you if you got a second,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're done thinking about hot dogs ever. No, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this one's online rumors about celebrities. Oh I love those,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you do, right, But most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of nonsense. No, like like there's the one

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<v Speaker 2>that mister Rogers was a sniper in Vietnam with one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty confirmed kills, a rumor that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>The story goes he was an assassin extraordinary for either

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<v Speaker 2>the Marines or the Navy Seals. Just see it go

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<v Speaker 2>both ways. The rumor is so widespread online that the

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<v Speaker 2>Navy Seals have actually put out a statement that said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to state it is false.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well who would think such a thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good thing you asked that, because you ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>the one about Derek Jeter, Oh boy and the swag bags.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know refresh Derek.

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<v Speaker 2>Was known to have or the rumor is is he

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<v Speaker 2>was known to give out swag bags to all of

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<v Speaker 2>his one night stands. Yeah you hear that? In like

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<v Speaker 2>online circles bock sports fans and sorry, goes that Derek Jeter,

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<v Speaker 2>who was known to enjoy the New York night life,

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<v Speaker 2>he would find someone fun and go, hey, you should

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<v Speaker 2>come home with me. After their night together. In the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman would wake up alone, Derek Jeter gone, and

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<v Speaker 2>in his place would be a swag bag. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this wag bag would be some gifts, you know, lotions

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<v Speaker 2>on gents whatnot, and an autographed baseball and the picture

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<v Speaker 2>of jal Yeah. And then the woman perused her bag

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<v Speaker 2>of goodies and looked at the Derek Jeter autograph baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>A car home would be called for her. Oh the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody believed it. And Derek Jeter has said, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote, it's a dumb story and you really have

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<v Speaker 2>to be dumber to believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I give them nothing. Yeah, so like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like when you fly first class and they

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<v Speaker 3>give you the little bag of like you know, imass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, but it's just the Derek Jeter versus yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then throw in the autograph baba yeah. Wow, some

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<v Speaker 2>of these there's a bunch of wild celebrity rumors out

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<v Speaker 2>there right but some of them. Sometimes, Elizabeth, the rumor

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<v Speaker 2>it really seems true. Okay. For instance, there's one that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a celebrity who is a beloved TV dad and

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<v Speaker 2>he's long rumored to have been a major cocaine dealer

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies. Could these online rumors be true?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you are the answer to that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I do. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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<v Speaker 2>and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent to free and ridiculous ridiculous. Oh, Elizabeth, yes, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's me. Have you ever heard the rumors that long

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<v Speaker 2>before he was America's sweetheart, Tim the tool Man tailor

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<v Speaker 2>in those hungry years, before he was beloved Buzz light

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<v Speaker 2>Year Daring space Ranger, long before he was the Archie

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<v Speaker 2>Bunker reboot in The Last Man Standing, Tim Allen was

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<v Speaker 2>an inmate in prison doing hard time for pushing cocaine

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<v Speaker 2>in the disco disco seventies. Really it's a true story.

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<v Speaker 3>I steer clear of Tim Allen news.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wondered about that. Well, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you all about it today, Okay. Now, just on

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<v Speaker 2>the face of it, when I was doing this research.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised by how many beloved former TV dads

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<v Speaker 2>are now criminal TV dads. Oh yeah, obviously there's Bill Cosby, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the guy from Seventh Heaven, Stephen Collins.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, but I once

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<v Speaker 2>worked with him.

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<v Speaker 3>You did it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and with Jessica Biel, who was very nice, and

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<v Speaker 2>that oldest kid from the show, Barry. That guy was

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<v Speaker 2>a dick.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait all you say I worked with him on Seventh Heavens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was on Seventh Heaven. Yeah, and I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>got bad vibes from that dude on the set. I

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<v Speaker 2>was not surprised. Heaven I owned a jazz globe.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, he just.

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz club on seventh Times.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't with it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the seventh the world I owned property.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you have you heard of that guy who on

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<v Speaker 3>I see him on Instagram. I think he might have

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<v Speaker 3>He might do stuff on TikTok of like the the

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<v Speaker 3>videos where he recaps Seventh Heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I'm familiar with this guy. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>secretly kind of hoping he would cover the episode I

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<v Speaker 2>was in, although I don't think it has enough sillyness

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<v Speaker 2>for him to really mocks General seventh even silliness. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>he could, yeah, but obviously, I mean the whole plot

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<v Speaker 2>line I was involved in was pretty ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Rob Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you go to Instagram and you look at

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<v Speaker 3>Rob Anderson, which I think he's heart throbber on Rob Anderson.

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<v Speaker 3>I just looked this up super fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, he does really funny videos, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>send him a message.

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<v Speaker 2>And be like, you should do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Find the one with Zaren owning a jazz club.

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<v Speaker 2>God no, I got Yeah. So when the grand scheme

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<v Speaker 2>of things, My point is when you compare Tim the

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<v Speaker 2>Toolman Taylor, you know Tim Allen, he really comes out

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<v Speaker 2>on top compared to some of the other criminal TV dads.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, because Seventh Heaven guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean all you got busted all Tim Allen

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<v Speaker 2>got busted for with some coke. Yeah. Now, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you don't watch TV, Elizabeth, No, I never seen it

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<v Speaker 2>before I tell you about him. I gotta ask, how

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<v Speaker 2>familiar are you with Tim Allen?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really? I never watched the tool Time show was

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<v Speaker 3>Home Home Improvement. I never really watched it. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like the language of it from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pop culture, that sort of thing of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy like you know about his grunts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah. And then the dude at the fence. There's

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<v Speaker 3>someone at a fence, okay, yeah, Cam Anderson was on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what's the boy Jonathan Taylor, Yes, Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Taylor Thomas recommended Jonathan Taylor Thomas is going on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was another boy.

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<v Speaker 2>On there, three sons. So the guy he was, as

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<v Speaker 2>you have kind of pieced together, this tool loving, muscle

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<v Speaker 2>car driving middle class American yet also somehow a blue

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<v Speaker 2>collar hero.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened to the mom?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, well let's see you know okay, so home

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<v Speaker 2>industrial accident Patricia Heaton, Yes, there was a mom on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Yeah, there was a mom, Patricia Heaton.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was like a single dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, no, no, no, no, he could get.

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<v Speaker 3>He never watched it, so I thought he was like

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<v Speaker 3>a single dad just using tool No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no. Like basically in the in the late nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>this dude was a thinking man's Jeff Foxworthy right. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a high bar a low bar rather it's a bar.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the duck hunting man sophisticated friend. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the blue collar guy's TV surrogate, right, So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he was mister Detroit before Eminem took away that tight. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy was basically before Duck Dynasty and Dirty Jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>There was Tim Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's his old hair and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind not really though. So his sitcom Home of Room,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a riff on Bob Beula's old this old house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So he has on his show a show within

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<v Speaker 2>the show, and that's it's a woodworking show. And so

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<v Speaker 2>he plays this guy who's got his woodworking show and

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<v Speaker 2>he teaches you how to rebuild a window, sash, things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Right. And the show, you know, premier in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one, so it was like ran all through

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties. Lasted eight seasons, two hundred and four episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>hit syndication. Right. But the other thing you know is

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<v Speaker 2>the family. They were key to it. The Taylor family.

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<v Speaker 2>No anyway, mother's Papa Bear. That's Tim, Tim Taylor, Tim

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<v Speaker 2>the toolman Taylor, his wife Jill, who was alive, and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there was three boys. There was Brad and Randy and

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<v Speaker 2>and Toddathan. Oh sorry, I read that wrong. It's Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Mark. So the family is from Detroit and they

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<v Speaker 2>live in the Detroit suburbs. Right, And the best part

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<v Speaker 2>of the show you already keyed in on is the

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor Wilson.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the dude.

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<v Speaker 2>He was played by a fence and a fishing.

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<v Speaker 3>Hat and a volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you never saw him. He was just all you

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<v Speaker 2>ever saw was the top of his hat. And so

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<v Speaker 2>he's just always hidden by the fence. And so he

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<v Speaker 2>basically is there to be like Tim's little voice. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like he's the only real adult on the show, like

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<v Speaker 2>he would. He was like externalized his little voice. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's got this neighbor who tells him how to like

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<v Speaker 2>fix whatever problem he's created. Okay, all right, So then

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<v Speaker 2>also there, you know, as he told you, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>show tool time. He's got his host, al the guy

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<v Speaker 2>with the beard, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Stricken Oh yeah, yeah, he's like his little buddy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it kind of looks like this old house bubb exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very much a nod to.

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<v Speaker 3>He wears a lot of flannel plaid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes he was, he was. It was him and grunge.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineties they were giving hall mad LLB and flannel.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Pamela Anderson, as you pointed out, was on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>She played the tool girl. Because it was the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>that was her name, but she had a name character name.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't remember tool girl. Yes, if she

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<v Speaker 2>was the show's toolgirl or anyway. She wrote about the

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<v Speaker 2>show and her memoir Love Pamela, which came out recently.

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<v Speaker 3>Was an interesting character that it is, dude, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Had kind of give it up to her. Her progression

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<v Speaker 2>as a person very interesting, she said. And I quote,

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<v Speaker 2>on the first day of filming, I walked out of

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<v Speaker 2>my dressing room and Tim was in the hallway in

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<v Speaker 2>his robe. He opened his robe and flat me quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>completely naked underneath. He said it was only fair because

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<v Speaker 2>he had seen me naked. Now we're even, I laughed, uncomfortably.

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<v Speaker 2>Now so after he showed off his.

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<v Speaker 3>Personal short rage building inside of me and go continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Pam Handlerston said that Tim Allen then quote ran back

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<v Speaker 2>to his room and he was embarrassed all day and

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<v Speaker 2>acting like a little giddy school boy. Yeah right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties when a man's shortcomings was a constant work

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<v Speaker 2>site issue in Hollywood. So Tim Allen he as I

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<v Speaker 2>told you you called it. He was known for a

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<v Speaker 2>stand up grunts. His catch phrase, men are pigs.

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<v Speaker 3>This was his catch phrase that was in.

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<v Speaker 2>His stand up. He had in his stand up, he

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<v Speaker 2>had this whole thing about it. Yeah, I met her

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<v Speaker 2>pigs and you're like grunting stuff. So he tried to

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<v Speaker 2>embody this vibe. But you know that healthy safe, This

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<v Speaker 2>is normal kind of way, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, normalizing the misogyny, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair to Tim Allen, he claims his whole

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<v Speaker 2>incident that I told you about what the robe never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He told Variety, No, it never happened. I would never

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<v Speaker 2>do such a thing. And in February this year, Pam

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<v Speaker 2>Manderson responded to Tim Allen's recent denial and she said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to deny it because look at the times Wren.

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<v Speaker 2>If he said, oh, yeah, I did it, he'd beat

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these stories are just the tip of

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<v Speaker 2>the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh wow, you know, I gotta bet she has

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<v Speaker 3>got some stories to tell that he didn't make it

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<v Speaker 3>into her book, which I've not read.

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<v Speaker 2>She could probably write a few memoirs I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>just the show Barbed Wire. Just that one alone deserves

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<v Speaker 2>its own book. So Honeyway Home Improvement was a very

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<v Speaker 2>nineties show, right, the very nineties star. It sets the tempo,

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<v Speaker 2>the culture, and as you are about to learn the

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<v Speaker 2>male star, he may have been feeling a bit invulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>and a bit invincible after he'd beaten the odds and

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<v Speaker 2>become you know, he beaten the ods not once, but twice.

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<v Speaker 2>He had done the near impossible. He become a major

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood star without any family connections, no nepo baby this

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<v Speaker 2>time out right, he came out of Detroit, but he

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<v Speaker 2>also faced life in prison as a cocaine kingpin, and

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<v Speaker 2>he managed to finesse his way out of that too. God,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like that's winning a lottery twice. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>he was facing life in prison and he went on

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<v Speaker 2>to become a huge star wild right.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Now many people know that Tim Allen was a

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<v Speaker 2>coke dealer, but some do. The story is usually just

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<v Speaker 2>a blurb in like a Hollywood stars before they were

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<v Speaker 2>famous story like you find on BuzzFeed or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Stars they're just like us, exactly, they've.

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<v Speaker 2>Been busted for coke two now I went out. I

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<v Speaker 2>did the research for you, Elizabeth, Thank you. I found

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<v Speaker 2>the goods, the details that rarely go reported right And

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<v Speaker 2>do you know where I found these details?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>In an appeal in a federal court for one of

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.600
<v Speaker 2>his co defenders. Always go to the court documents. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's a big reason why most of the details

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<v Speaker 2>of the story aren't on the internet. Tim Allen changed

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<v Speaker 2>his name. Oh yes, can you guess his birth name?

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<v Speaker 3>Timothon?

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<v Speaker 2>Very close? Tim Dick stock rather Timothy Dick. Born in Denver, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty three. He grew up in an idyllic

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<v Speaker 2>mid century American family. He lived that post war prosperity

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.040
<v Speaker 2>dream you know that birthed the ideal of a middle

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<v Speaker 2>class suburban America. He lived that. He was that kid

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<v Speaker 2>in the jeans watching westerns on TV, growing up to

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<v Speaker 2>drive a sixties Muscles car when it was brand new,

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<v Speaker 2>and in his case, grow his hair long and du drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like a hippie. He did it like the

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<v Speaker 2>seventies stuff. Yeah, cocaine, baby, now, Tim Allen. He was

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<v Speaker 2>no stranger to tragedy, though, so you should feel a

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<v Speaker 2>little sorry for him. There was one shock in particular

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<v Speaker 2>shape his life's course. When he was eleven, his father

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<v Speaker 2>died in a car accident. It was a devastating blow

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<v Speaker 2>to little Tim Allen's all right, And as he said,

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<v Speaker 2>and I quote, I loved my father more than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a tall, strong, funny, really engaging guy. So

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed his company, his smell, sensibility, discipline, sense of humor,

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<v Speaker 2>all the fun stuff we did together. I couldn't wait

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<v Speaker 2>for him to come home. See, like I said, total

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<v Speaker 2>mid century American dream. He had a great, healthy father.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved. His father was the one who gave him

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<v Speaker 2>the love of cars. Right, So that made it extra

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<v Speaker 2>extra painful that a car would claim his father's life.

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<v Speaker 3>Horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>The driver was a drunk driver, so it's double the tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen has said in a quote, A car cross

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<v Speaker 2>crossed two lanes of traffic, flipped, landed on my dad's car.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't blame cars. My dad love cars. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have many memories of my dad. The love of cars

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<v Speaker 2>is all I have of him. Really, right, Start to

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<v Speaker 2>feel a little bad? No, yeah, okay, Well he was

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<v Speaker 2>lucky in that After he lost his father, a replacement

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<v Speaker 2>father stepped in. His mom reconnected with her high school boyfriend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they started talking. They eventually married. Hell to Tim Allens,

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<v Speaker 2>he said the guy was a metch. He took on

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<v Speaker 2>his family of him and his couple brothers. They all

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<v Speaker 2>moved together in the suburb outside of Detroit. So he

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<v Speaker 2>moved now from Denver to Detroit, just like his show

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<v Speaker 2>Home Improvement, which takes place in a suburb of Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I guess in the show he was playing

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<v Speaker 2>his stepfather.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, it's kind of wild right anyway. Overtime, Tim Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>A version of his father that never got to be realized.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look at you the poet. Yes, and Tim Allen

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<v Speaker 2>he's able to recover from the tragic loss. He grows up.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to graduate from high school, goes off

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<v Speaker 2>to college. He tends Central Michigan University. He doesn't finish

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<v Speaker 2>there because he transfers to Western Michigan. While he was there,

0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.280
<v Speaker 2>he'd meet his future wife. And that's also where he

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<v Speaker 2>met someone else new to him, someone who would also

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<v Speaker 2>shape his future, missus Kolkayen, and she had plans for

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Dick's future. Okay, let's take a little brack Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>But after these messages we'll get into the real nitty

0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.160
<v Speaker 2>gritty of his days. Is Tim the Kochman Allen ye

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<v Speaker 2>back in two and two?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Elizabeth, Hey, I gotta ask you something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please go hit me.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the name of your jazz club on Seventh Heaven?

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't have a name? What I know? It was

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<v Speaker 2>just Actually that's not true. It did have a name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it did have a name. Give me

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<v Speaker 2>a second. Me think of the dialoguecause I say it

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<v Speaker 2>in the name the so and so is proud to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bring to the stage, mister so and so,

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<v Speaker 2>like I do say the name. I totally cannot remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz cat boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I may have done a little bit of jazz cat No,

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<v Speaker 2>I was younger, so it was what goes that producerative?

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<v Speaker 2>Was your character's name Dizzy?

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<v Speaker 4>To me?

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<v Speaker 2>He was? To me, that's who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He the heartbreaker Dizzy.

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<v Speaker 2>The heartbreaking club owner. But I gave that kid a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Well think let it, think on it and try and perkolate.

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<v Speaker 3>See if I can think.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, where were that's right? With the coke Man

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor h different tale of Hollywood Glens.

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<v Speaker 3>I just couldn't hold it in.

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<v Speaker 2>So at first, our man Tim Ollen, he was just

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<v Speaker 2>a coked just a college coke head, but he liked

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.879
<v Speaker 2>coke more than the typical coke head. So he's like,

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I need more access to this cocaine. So

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<v Speaker 2>he decided I'm going to sell some. That way I

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<v Speaker 2>get a little sum for me. My coke is free

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<v Speaker 2>if I sell enough. He's like, this works out. Good

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<v Speaker 2>for Tim.

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<v Speaker 3>Do something you love. You never work a day in your.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, exactly, find the job you want dressed for. I

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Anyway, Being in college in the early or

0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.840
<v Speaker 2>mid seventies, it was easy to move small amounts of cocaine.

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.479
<v Speaker 2>There was a market, you know, because coke was back baby,

0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, seriously, not since the nineteen twenties and thirties

0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>had coke been it. Yeah, backly that was what you know,

0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.000
<v Speaker 2>that would have been. Freud was a cocaine magnet. That's

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<v Speaker 2>when cocaine had its thing, right. It was this big

0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties thirties era. Then it falls away in the war.

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<v Speaker 2>Meth kind of pops up in the war because it

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.199
<v Speaker 2>helped keep soldier awake. But then it's all about like

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<v Speaker 2>heroin in the fifties Vietnam heroin, and then finally in

0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, Miami starts going, hey, he wants a cheap cocayene,

0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and boom and explodes across the country and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, cocaine is back.

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<v Speaker 3>And then for the eighties, yes, and.

0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen was right there for it. He was like, dude,

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I love the cocayene. Anyway, he eventually graduated from having

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>a little extra coke to being a coke dealer, so

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.440
<v Speaker 2>now he's just straight up coke dealer. Then he starts

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:27.880
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with the sort of people that you meet

0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.280
<v Speaker 2>when you deal cocaine in Detroit in the seventies, right,

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<v Speaker 2>see the mounts he was selling and the mountain he

0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.720
<v Speaker 2>was making in profits. They both keep climbing. He's like,

0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.359
<v Speaker 2>this is good. I'm good at this. I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>this for a while.

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But as he claims, he was still trying to get

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.199
<v Speaker 2>over the shocking loss of his father. Okay, so he

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.360
<v Speaker 2>liked coke mostly because it left him both lifted and numb,

0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and that was the feeling he was going, huh, So

0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.560
<v Speaker 2>that devil drug cocaine. It starts slowly eroding his future

0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.200
<v Speaker 2>without him paying attention. Because he's lifted in numb right

0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.479
<v Speaker 2>out from underneath him. There goes his future. In the meantime,

0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.679
<v Speaker 2>he becomes this Detroit cocaine kingpin just kind of sleep

0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.919
<v Speaker 2>walks right into it. Try to imagine Tim Allen walking

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.879
<v Speaker 2>into a cocaine deal in nineteen seventies Detroit, like I

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like to picture it. I know it's wrong, but like

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in a pimp suit, which, like I said, I know

0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.639
<v Speaker 2>it's wrong, but none of this is right. So he

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.199
<v Speaker 2>has a feather in his fur fedora, he has a

0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 2>bird on his shoulder. He's got a cane with like

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a goldfish swimming in the glass ball that's the handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Just let your imagination with Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just imagining him in the seventies walking in and

0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.199
<v Speaker 3>like a polo shirt tucked into his dad jeans, his

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.560
<v Speaker 3>nineties dad jeans.

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<v Speaker 2>No, honestly, he was more like blue jeans, stained shirt

0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and like you know, a button down kind of maddress

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, the look makes sense. Yeah, right,

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, dude was twenty five years old and he

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>was months away from losing it all. Now, just for

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.960
<v Speaker 2>prospective's sake, Yeah, what were some of his contemporaries doing

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.280
<v Speaker 2>at that same age. Let's take businessman Mark Cuban. He

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>also had a you know, a wandering youth. He was

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a bartender in Dallas. He's recalled his days in his book,

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.639
<v Speaker 2>How to Win at the Sport of Business. Quote to Dallas,

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I was struggling, sleeping on the floor with six guys

0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 2>in a three bedroom apartment. I used to drive around,

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 2>look at the big houses and imagine what would it

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 2>be like to live there and use that as motivation.

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.600
<v Speaker 2>So there he is sleeping on the floor with six

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.639
<v Speaker 2>dudes in a three bedroom apartment. Okay, No, that's not

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 2>quite as bad as cocaine, but it sounds like it anyway.

0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.679
<v Speaker 2>So that's, you know, it's basically normal twenty five year

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 2>old guy behavior.

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Mark Cuban and Tim tim Apple. They're the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Age roughly, okay, and he doesn't not exactly but a

0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 2>little older. But she's also a fellow future inmate, Martha Stewart.

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<v Speaker 2>What was she doing when she.

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<v Speaker 3>Was twenty f Was she a model?

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Good call Elizabeth old inmate five five one seven zero

0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 2>dash oh five to four when she was twenty five

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>years old. Future inmate street name M Diddy, she was

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 2>doing stay at home mothering she had, Oh you were correct,

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 2>though she'd spent five years working as a stockbroker. Before that,

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.200
<v Speaker 2>she was a fashion model where she worked for Chanel

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>and others. So boom she had done stockbroking, fashion modeling,

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 2>all that, and then boom wouldn't bems at home mother?

0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:01.200
<v Speaker 3>I love her?

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 3>I think she then had to start a catering business

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 3>and that was or she started. She did it aligned

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 3>with her.

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.960
<v Speaker 2>She started catering business after she'd been home for a year.

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.080
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I need to do something. Starts her catering business,

0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 2>which becomes Martha Stewart's empire that today. Okay, back to

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen, what was he doing it twenty five?

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<v Speaker 3>Call him Tim Apple.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we already know he was doing cocaine, so we

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>also know he was He was good enough at that

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.679
<v Speaker 2>to become a Detroit coke dealer. So now you may

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 2>be wondering, Okay, sure is Aaron Tim Allen was a

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Detroit coke dealer. But what kind of Detroit coke dealer?

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<v Speaker 5>Was he? A?

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Really comedic one great.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, Elizabeth, I like this. You brought you a game today.

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<v Speaker 2>In crime parlance. He was a not good at being

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<v Speaker 2>a coke dealer. Coke dealer, like I would say that

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 2>he was bad at it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the year was nineteen seventy eight. Future Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Allen was just months away from being busted and losing

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>his life to a prison sentence. Now, as I told you,

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.679
<v Speaker 2>there are a few details online, but I found the

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>co defendant's federal appeal which laid out Tim Allen's whole

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.360
<v Speaker 2>cocaine dealing days. Uh huh, okay, Elizabeth's time to crack

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.439
<v Speaker 2>that bad boy. You're ready, yes, okay. Here are the

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 2>facts that is testified in court. There are two men,

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Charles Willett and Donald Cobb. They were big time coke

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 2>deal It's real deal. They're they're plug for cocaine. Was

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 2>a man named Dennis McCarthy. You'll notice that there are

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>no Spanish names in this so far. Welcome to the

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Detroit cocaine scene in the nineteen seventies. There's a lot

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>of white guys. So Dennis McCarthy from Holland, Michigan, nicknamed

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the Tulip City. It's a suburb he.

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Was named, and then just the city.

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.720
<v Speaker 2>So the suburb of Grand Rapids Michigan is Holland, Holland, Michigan. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>See the other guy's will It and Cobb. They live

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 2>up in Traverse, Michigan, which is a smaller, unincorporated town

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>in Michigan. It's up at the western tip of the

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Upper Peninsula. Yeah, so will It and Cobb. They would

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<v Speaker 2>charter a plane and fly down to Holland where they

0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.199
<v Speaker 2>would meet their hook up there and they'd buy a

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>pound of cocaine or whatever you you know, whatever much

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>then they'd fly back to the Upper Peninsula where they'd

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 2>sell out that pound of cocaine. Even though it's a rural,

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 2>underpopulated area. This was the seventies, so the cocaine sells

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it I think.

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't even have to be. It's the seventies. You'd

0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 3>be surprised what goes on in rural areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Cocaine was still kind of a new drug. So it

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<v Speaker 2>had made it up to the Upper Peninsula where they

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.360
<v Speaker 2>were able to sell like you know, the space comes things.

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just Studio fifty four types were lusting after

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the white lady. They were selling a quarter pound of

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>cocaine every two to three days.

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:12.479
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.199
<v Speaker 2>See that's what I said. First, anyway, will let he

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>hears about this new coke suppliers. He's thinking, I can

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 2>get better deals the big players from Florida. He's told

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows that's where the cocaine is coming from. So

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>he's this dude's so big, he's only known by initials

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>mw okay. So the coke dealer McCarthy tells will It

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 2>about this supplier and he's gonna come up to Michigan

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:31.880
<v Speaker 2>for a visit. You guys got to get on this.

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<v Speaker 2>May twenty third, nineteen seventy eight. Will It Charters A

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 2>plane flies down from Travis to Holland his supplier McCarthy

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>picks him up the local airport. They all drive back

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 2>to McCarthy's apartment. They bed down for the night. I

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.360
<v Speaker 2>like to imagine the coke dealer that had like pajamas

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 2>laid out for.

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, totally.

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, very thoughtful, very tasteful, very modern. Yeah,

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 2>very Martha Stewart. Anyway, the next day they drive down

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>to Kalamazoo, Michigan. They hit up the home of the

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 2>new supplier. His dud's name is Bradley's Shruck, right. His

0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>initials are not MW. That's because he is not that guy,

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>but he he is tight with that guy, and he

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>is from Florida. Anyway, He's not the big supplier, he's

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>the big suppliers contact. So he's like, talk to me,

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll talk to MW.

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So Shock promises to drive Will and McCarthy over to

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<v Speaker 2>the closest red roof d for a cocaine deal.

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 3>God, I love the root I've never been to one.

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 3>I just love referencing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, if you're gonna do a coke deal

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.479
<v Speaker 2>in a small to medium sized to your city, it's

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 2>happening at a red roof And if you were staying

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>at a red roof in, you are either a criminal

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 2>or you are dating one. Like that's just the rule. Anyway.

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 2>So they rock up at this red roof in I've

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 2>been to plenty, I can tell you that's the truth.

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 2>And they meet this dude at MW and he is

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the supplier. Right, he's got a briefcase with him. Right,

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like an eighties police show. There's like a cheap motel,

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 2>a briefcase of money, some tester vials of cocaine. It's

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>all white guys. It's just like what's going on here? Anyway?

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>MW cracks up in the briefcase. He indeed has a

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>ton of cash and a bunch of cocaine. He tells

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 2>the interested parties it'll be four thousand dollars an ounce. Now,

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 2>let me translate that for you, Elizabeth, because since there

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 2>is about twenty eight and a one third gram in

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and outs, I know it's all from my pot growing days.

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 2>That's basically it works out that four thousand dollars an

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>ounce breaks down to about one hundred and forty dollars

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>a gram. Okay, right, that's expensive cocaine. Okay, but these

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 2>duws are down. They were like, ah, we'll take it

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Detroit prices or whatever. So they tested the vials for

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the purity of the coke. The color was right. They

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 2>buy a trial gram and they go back to Shock's

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 2>motel room. He's also got a room at the same

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>red roof in so they're like, yeah, let's go rail

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>up some coke. They try it themselves. They're like whoo,

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it's surreal deal. They go back like knock knock knock,

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 2>and make a future arrangement for a cocaine deal a

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 2>big one man. They fly back to travers Michigan. This

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>is where the mouse of the jungle takes down the lion. Already,

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the charter plane company these folks that they've been growing

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>suspicious of these local flyboys and their fast ass lifestyle.

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>So the bookkeeper from the charter plane company, she phoned

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>the state Police with a hot tip and they're like,

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, tells the cops are fairly certain some local

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>boys are smuggling drugs on their charter plane. Boom, now

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>they got attention the whole operations under a microscope. Things

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>go bad for Wilton cop because they hadn't just chartered planes.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>They had had pilots on the planes. They couldn't fly

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 2>these small planes, so they had these pilots. So now

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 2>they have witnesses and overhear them talking and they know

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 2>their delivery schedules. They have like it's terrible. This is

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>bad news for the one to be cocaine kingpins. Worst

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>news is that Michigan State Police coordinated with the charter

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>company and they arrange for their next flight to be

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>piloted by undercover cops. So now they are totally screwed.

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>By June, it takes like a couple of weeks, will

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>it figures out he's under surveillance. He's like, those are cops,

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>those are not silent. So what does he do, Elizabeth,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He rats himself out. He goes directly

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, I want to confess. He confesses everything.

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't even know if he's under like real investigation.

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Just before he even like broke deal.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>He goes to them and just goes, Hey, I'm a

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>cocaine dealer and I'd like to tell you about my friends.

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>So he flips on everyone else involved. He's like, I'll

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 2>tell you anything you want to know as long as

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I can avoid charges. Guy, You're like, who are you?

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>But his plan works. He's able to tell them who

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>he is and certify his plan, and so he flips.

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>He becomes an undercover in formant. Now he for a contact.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>He gets this dude, Michael Pifer, and he's the undercover

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Cup who becomes his handler. Right, so will it smoves

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 2>an intro for this cop Pifer. He introduces him to

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>his partner Cop and to his supplier McCarthy. The undercover

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Cup he gets to work. He starts arranging deals. He

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 2>also wants to meet all the other dealers in this

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 2>coke neck work. Yeah, yeah, I just really want to

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 2>get into business with you guys. Everyone's like, cool, now

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you made wondering Saron, I'm not hearing the name Tim

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Allen in this, Elizabeth, that's a great question.

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 3>His name is Dick.

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>This is very good memory. This is where it comes in.

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Old Tim Dick, Tim Allen, low level local dealer, college dealer.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>He would get supplied by McCarthy who knows the Florida

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.479
<v Speaker 2>contact shruck and MW. So Tim Allen. He also has

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>a partner in the cocaine business. It's his roommate, Gerald Mead.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>So they live together, they push together, They just have

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>their lives entwined. Yeah, so Jerry Meade, Tim Dick. They're

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>running product like a student film version of Scarface.

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>So in July nineteen seidate, their new supplier MW shows

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>up at Jerry Ned's house and he brings with him

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>six ounces of cocaine. He tells Mead and Tim Allen

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it's theirs to sell. He's even willing to front them

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>so they can pay him later. And they're like, oh,

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>thank god, because you know, we don't really have money

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>like that. So they agreed to the deal. He says,

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>we'll take a we'll just take two of or six ounces.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>We can't we couldn't push all six ounces. They settle

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>on a price. The price nineteen hundred dollars an ounce.

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, oh, they got a better price than

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>their original that we mentioned from the red roof in

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>right now, Meat and Tim Dick. They get busy. They

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>start flipping the two ounces as fast as they can.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>The fastest way they think to do it is to

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>sell it all to Shock, and I'm like, these people

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>will know each other. I don't know how this plays out.

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>But then he doesn't have cash on him, so he

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>promises to pay a grand now and the rest later.

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>So he takes two ounces. Shock then goes to the

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>supplier McCarthy, and he sells them to He sells the

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>cocaine to McCarthy. It works its way back up the

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>other chain. He says, send the money to Jerry Mead

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and Tim Dick. So now they're they're connect to sending

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the money for cocaine. That they're it's all backers right.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>A few days past, there's nineteen hundred and seventy five

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>dollars waiting for them at Western Union. Deal is done

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and paid for it. Next they like this right, So,

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 2>as I said, at this point, Tim Allen Gary Mead,

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 2>they're not just coke dealers and partners. They're living together

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>in Kalamazoo, Michigan. So they're running like a mom and

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>pop coke shop, right for college kids and blue collar heroes. Right,

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So you getting fronted all this cocaine. There's suppliers coming

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>around picking up the cash later. If they're making this work,

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>they don't know that there's there is a major investigation

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>going on with this, so they become of major interest

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>because they're moving a lot of coke. It at the

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>exact wrong time to be these star buyers or star sellers.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Rather summer rolls on August ninth, nineteen seventy eight, McCarthy

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>phones Tim Allen aka Tim Dick and tells the future

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>TV Dad he's got a buddy who wants to buy

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 2>four ounces of coke from him. Tim Allen's like, all right, bet,

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>when where what's the deal? McCarthy tells him, We'll come

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to you, right, So he brings with him the buyer,

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>who is the undercover cop Pifer. They walk into tim

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Allens place, which he share with Jerry mead, they'll go upstairs.

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>The supplier MW. Joins them a little later. He brings

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>with him a thermist. Everyone's like, oh, what's in the thermis?

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Bro After a moment of intrigue, he's like, yeah, just

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>my souper, my launch. He untwists the thermist cap, he opens

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and he pours into his hand the contents. His waiting

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>hand catches three quarters pounds of cocaine.

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>And then they did something that surprise me. Tim Allen

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>decides to cut the coke right in front of the buyer.

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 2>The guy who's going to buy the coke. He's like,

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>let me just cut those for you. So he cuts

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the cocaine. So he puts in like baby lacks it

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>over whatever white powder he is using to cut it.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>This is nineteen seventy eight, Detroit. I don't know what

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to tell you, Elizabeth. And then Tim Allen cuts the cocaine.

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Then he and his partner sell it to the undercover

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Cup for thirty nine hundred dollars and thirty nine eighty Right,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone's satisfied in such a mess exactly MW. He leaves

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>with his four ounces of coke from Tim Allen. That

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>it had been fronted to him as per usual, and

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, yeah, I see if you can move

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>this right. So Tim Allen's like, yeah, I'll try to

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>see if I get some more. Here's the thing, Elizabeth,

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Remember what I said about Tim Allen was not a

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>good coke dealer. Yeah, it's hard to see it. It's

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>like who are you. You're selling the buyer to sell

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And you're also cutting your coke in

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>front of your buyer like they don't know how to

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 2>cut the coke? I mean, are you charging them?

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, he didn't the buyer. Wait, you said

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:14.959
<v Speaker 3>m w was the one with the thermos.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so but he's giving it to McCarthy. So McCarthy

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was his former supplier. So he's getting it from this

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>new supplier. And then Shruck who knows McCarthy has it,

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>go to Tim Allen and then go back up the

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>chain to him and then it makes no exactly, So

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and d are breaking like two of Biggie's crack commandments.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just like he's living with his business partner and

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it just makes no sense anyway. So, like I said,

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>not a good coke dealer days past he's not able

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>to sell this coke. He's been fronted most recently because

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>apparently he only has the one buyer. The guy's like,

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I already got the coke. So he's like, try to

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>find some college kids. They can't. They aren't able to

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>move it. Now. As I said, he's got these ounces

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of cocaine. He's trying to maybe he could work a deal.

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>So this is when the supplier McCarthy calls him. He's like, hey,

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>you and your partner, Jerry Mead, I got a good

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>news for you, you and your coke problem. I got

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a buyer who wants a big purchase. And the guy's like,

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>who is He's like, oh, he wants to buy a

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>pound and a half of cocaine. Jerry Mead and McCarthy.

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>They settle on a price forty two thousand dollars for

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a pound and a half of cocaine.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Bad news for them was the buyer was the undercover

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>cop Fiver. So let's take a little break and then

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what went down at the Kalamazoo Airport

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that would forever change the course of Tim the Coke

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>ban Allen's life.

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 4>Yes, O, great Elizabeth all Right, we're back.

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, you're ready for some more cocaine?

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess.

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go. Tim Allen his partner Jerry Mead.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>They'd set up their forty two thousand dollars coke deal

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>with an undercover cup So the deal.

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 3>A lot of money now, okays, a lot of money?

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Then exactly, it's a big deal, a lot of money.

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So it either be a huge payday for them or

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>they'll catch a prison sentence. Yeah, they got it a

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>coin flip. So, as it turns out, the state of

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Michigan had just passed the law for mandatory minimum sentences

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>for drug deals. Tim Allen, due to the size and

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 2>scope of his drug deal, was facing a mandatory life

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>in prison sentence if he was busted, no exceptions. So

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the cocaine cowboys at Detroit, they had or kept their

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>plan very simple. They decided they would meet at a

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>pre arranged spot in a very public space. I don't know.

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>They thought that would keep them safe. Tim Allen, he

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>picked the Kalamazoo Airport. That's how he'd seen it done

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>in a TV show. So he's like, I want to

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:39.479
<v Speaker 2>do it like I saw in that team.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 3>He loves the TV what year is this.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen seventy eight. Okay, so it was like Hawaii or something.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Nixon's War on drugs.

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we're deep into all of that. Yeah. So

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>at this point they have a day and time set.

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>What happens next? Obviously we know did not go well.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>But rather than me just tell you about Elizabeth, I'd

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 2>like you to close your eyes and picture it. You

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>are currently in the Kalamazoo Airport. The date is October second.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Outside the airport, there's a crispness in the air. It's

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that refreshing feel of autumn. Inside the airport, it is

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>rather quiet. It's a small regional airport. Between flights, a

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 2>few announcements, some travelers, but mostly quiet. You are there

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>on a lark. You're flying to Bismarck, North Dakota. You

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>have a plan to meet a local bear expert who's

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>promised to take you out into the field so that

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>you can hug a bear. Yes, it's the seventies. Anything

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 2>as possible, Yes, and if you have some time to

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 2>yourself after leaving the Linda Rodstat tour as her tour.

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 3>Manage, Oh my god.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 5>Yes.

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 2>So as you sit in the fiberglass teardrop seat in

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>the waiting area. You flip through a copy of Life magazine,

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 2>but really it's just a cover for you to do

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>your people watching.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 3>I am loving my life.

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Right now, you've been watching the middle aged woman behind

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the ticket counter. You're convinced that she has a crush

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.320
<v Speaker 2>on the guy who's working as the airport announcer, because

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>every time there's an announcement she smiles just a little.

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Now though, right now, you're mostly focused on two shaggy haired,

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>mustached college kids. They came in together, but they're seated

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>across the airport from each other. They both keep looking

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 2>around like they're waiting for someone or for something. The

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.439
<v Speaker 2>brown haired, mustachioed college kid, his name is Tim. You've

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 2>heard the other one call him that. Now he apparently

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>you don't know this, saw a TV show where some

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 2>criminals made an exchange like this, so that's why he's

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>here doing this. But you don't know all that. You

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>just see him looking super nervous there and there's the

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>other college kids seated across the tiny airport. He signals

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 2>to the brown haired one, who then pops up. He

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>takes a piece of luggage with him, and he walks

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>over the luggage lockers. He opens it up, slides the

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>bag in, takes the key, palms it. Looks around again.

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>You look back the other direction. You see there's a

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.919
<v Speaker 2>man who's just entered the tiny quiet airport. He's wearing

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 2>a straw fedora, at least the summertime hat. It's October whatever.

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>He has on short sleeves in a tie once again,

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.280
<v Speaker 2>okay whatever. He looks like he sells boats for a living.

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 2>The college kids walk right up to him. He doesn't

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>really say anything to them. Instead, he just reaches out

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>his hand for a handshake. You're curious how these two

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 2>groups know each other. The college kids don't look like

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>they're really in the market for a cabin cruiser, but anyway,

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you do spot that He slyly passes the luggage locker

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 2>key to the guy in the straw fedora, and then

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the two men part almost wordlessly. The college kid walks

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 2>over to the guy he came in with, while the

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 2>other guy walks over to the luggage locker. The guy

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 2>in the straw hat opens it. He takes out the bag.

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>He quickly unzips it, checks the contents, and then he

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>nods and boom, out of nowhere in Russia's state police.

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>They swore in the airport, guns drawn, barking orders at

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 2>the two shaggy headed college kids. You are loving, oh am,

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I it start a real deal drug bust in Kalama Zoos.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>As Tim Allen would later tell it, the next thing

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>I observed was a.

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Gun in my face.

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh I love this.

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 2>So you just witnessed the drug bust that would change

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen's life. Now that he's officially busted, his life

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 2>and his future are over. He's staring down a life

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>sentence behind bars in a Michigan prison. So what does

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen do? Elizabeth?

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Does? She sing like a bird.

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 2>That is how he ended up becoming the Tim Allen

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 2>beloved TV dad. He did. But we in the streets

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>call snitching. He snitched as hard as he could. He

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>snitched to anyone who would listen. And did it work?

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Apparently?

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>You bet it did. A retired FBI agent who worked

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the case quote, mister Allen was very reluctant to spend

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>the rest of his life in prison, so he decided

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>to play ball. The information he gave helped build several

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 2>other cases after the entire ordeal and to his credit.

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>He obviously went on to turn things around for himself

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:20.439
<v Speaker 2>quite well. FBI. So what did the retired officer mean

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>when he said what information Tim Allen gave up? They

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>able to make several other cases.

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Like oh mw baby, they went after Martha Washington.

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 2>He may be thinking of that. How hard exactly did

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen snitch?

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Hard?

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Is my guess, he to avoid a life sentence.

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Hard.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll put it to you this way. He wasn't approached

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to snitch. It was his idea. Oh, Tim Allen approached

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the cops was like, who do I have to talk

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to around here to snitch? So eventually he finds the

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 2>right person, and you called it. He sang like a

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>stool pigeon. He sang like a songbird in prison pajamas.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>He told the prosecutors everything he knew about the Kalamazoo

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>drug scene. He told the cops who sold, who lived where,

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>who knew who, where they got their stuff from? Everything, Wow,

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and it worked. The prosecutors agreed to drop the most

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>serious charges against them. But not only that, they agreed

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>to not prosecute him in Michigan and instead turn him

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>over to the FEDS. That meant he couldn't be sentenced

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 2>under Michigan's new life sentence for drug dealers. So Tim

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Allen avoided a mandatory life in prison by snitching on

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like twenty or thirty other people.

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Good for him.

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 2>No, I may not respect snitches, right, but in his

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>crew of ne'er do wells, I don't hate this choice.

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these dudes, they're not the mafia. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not like Omerita. We got a code of silence. This

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<v Speaker 2>four Michigan three to four Michigan numbskulls, And.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna tell you they would do it just as

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<v Speaker 3>fast on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, himself in this instance. I mean, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like how modest mouse wants saying this plane is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely crashing. Remember anyway, Tim out and he plays guilty

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<v Speaker 2>into a lighter trafficking charges in federal court. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when he sentenced. The judge in his case, Patrick McCauley,

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<v Speaker 2>was apparently one of his first fans, because he told

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<v Speaker 2>that he expected him to quote one day be a

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<v Speaker 2>very successful comedian. Judge mccab So.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he already doing standard I don't know, see testing

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<v Speaker 3>stuff out on the stand?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Can he doing like a quick five in court

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like a jailbird. Jerry Seinfeld Like, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever noticed how cokes will call you at all hours

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<v Speaker 2>of the day? I mean, don't you have a job?

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<v Speaker 2>But it guys That question answers itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Am I right?

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<v Speaker 6>I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Well did he do the grunt? You understand? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like a manor pigs right. Judge raw macauley told

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen that he saw quote a remarkable talent. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>waste it, and then he also told him be a man,

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<v Speaker 2>do your time, then come out and do what you

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<v Speaker 2>do best. Yeah. So despite getting out of this life sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>tim Allen had still reason to fear for his life

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<v Speaker 2>because he had snitched on everyone in the Calendarzoo cocaine scene,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had friends who were already on the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>As one coup put it, tim Allen quote helped authorities

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<v Speaker 2>indict twenty people in the drug trade and resulted in

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<v Speaker 2>the conviction and sentencing of four major drug dealers. So

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<v Speaker 2>he had four major enemies at least, and sixteen others

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<v Speaker 2>that were just minor enemies. So of those twenty people

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<v Speaker 2>catching charges, how many of them would have a shot

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<v Speaker 2>at him? Well, he had no idea. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we gonna do about this? I won't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what they look like. The judge in the federal case,

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<v Speaker 2>who had this professional crush on Tim Allen, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got you, boo.

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<v Speaker 3>You are so funny.

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't want that funny to be hurt you funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So he made sure that Tim Allen was incarcerated, not

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<v Speaker 2>in the Michigan prison, but instead sent him over the

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<v Speaker 2>border to Minnesota, and that way he'd be safe from

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<v Speaker 2>revenge because I guess like their cocaine beef still across

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<v Speaker 2>the border.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, after all this extra help consideration from the judge

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<v Speaker 2>in the federal time was still no easy time for

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Allen because he was not ready for prison life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, when I went to jail, reality hit so

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<v Speaker 2>hard that it took my breath away, took my stance away,

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<v Speaker 2>took my strength away. I was there buck naked, humiliated,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in my own crap, and urine that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a metaphor my ego had run off. Your ego is

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest coward. So eventually he's able to confront his He.

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<v Speaker 3>Just drops that in the middle of he's like, okay, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I really actually did.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit all right, mostly urine and whatever was

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<v Speaker 2>it first day only. So eventually he confronts his ego.

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<v Speaker 2>He grabs hold of the reins of his soul and

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<v Speaker 2>he gives it a hardy yank and he's like, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the law was passed to teach people a lesson selling

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>more than six hundred and fifty grams of cocaine got

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>you life in prison. They thought it would be a deterrent.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. I was put in a holding cell with

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<v Speaker 2>twenty other guys. We had to crap in the same

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<v Speaker 2>crapper in the middle of the room, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>told myself, I can't do this for seven and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years. I want to kill myself.

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<v Speaker 3>So then he's like he really focused on poop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's very much a poop forward. Oh yeah, copper

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<v Speaker 2>light or copper what is it? Copper philic, a copper file,

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 2>that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so he hear that prison is tough as hell,

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<v Speaker 2>right it is. Yeah, And it's also a great place

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to catch up on your reading and your correspondence. I

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 2>mean there's some benefits, right. Well, he also found it

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<v Speaker 2>was a great place to learn to shut the hell up. Yeah,

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 2>he said, and I quote, I just shut up and

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<v Speaker 2>did what I was told. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>ever that I did what I was told, and I

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<v Speaker 2>played the game. I learned literally how to live day

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<v Speaker 2>by day, and I learned how to shut up. You

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>definitely want to learn how to shut up the big

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>lesson crap and shutting up. That's fit for prison. On

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<v Speaker 2>June twelfth, nineteen eighty one, after serving two years and

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<v Speaker 2>four months, he was released from federal prison. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>he finds work at a Detroit ad agency. He starts

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<v Speaker 2>to doing stand up comedy at the local Comedy Castle

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<v Speaker 2>in Detroit. But by then he was a new man.

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<v Speaker 2>He was becoming the Tim Allen that we know. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that quote. I was funny before that prison grew

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<v Speaker 2>me up. I was an adolescent that woke up too

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<v Speaker 2>early when my father was killed, and I stayed at

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<v Speaker 2>that angry adolescent level. Sounds about accurate now. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, he books a comedy special in Showtime Disney

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Head haunches Michael Eisner. Jeffrey Katzenberg later co founds DreamWorks

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 2>with Spielberg David Geffen. They see the special. They fall

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 2>out laughing. I'm like, oh, iw met are pigs? I

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>love this guy? Right, They're like we need to they

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<v Speaker 2>see dollar signes, like we need to make a show

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>with him. So Tim Allen's show Home Improve It debuted

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one. After that, you know his story now.

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<v Speaker 2>In an interview after he'd be kind of famous, Tim Allens,

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<v Speaker 2>beloved TV dad and former Cooke head, he offered this

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<v Speaker 2>life advice, if you were told the end at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have to travel, Elizabeth. I have to disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with him, because life is about how you get to

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<v Speaker 2>where you're going, rather than the destination you arrive at

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the end. It doesn't matter at all. Really, I mean

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 2>exhibit a Tim Allen's whole life. It's like, what a

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<v Speaker 2>wild ride, And it was far more interesting than what

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<v Speaker 2>you'd expect from someone who is the star of wild Hogs, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, ild you star of wild Hogs? You don't

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<v Speaker 2>expect am I right? So what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>You know you want to become a professional stand up comedian,

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<v Speaker 3>do little time in the FCI and the yes.

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 2>And learn how to shut up?

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<v Speaker 3>Learn how to shut up. Yeah, I like that. It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I'm angels are singing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Producer Dave, could we just capture this moment

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<v Speaker 2>for a second. Is feels so good Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>About one other than her?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I don't have one?

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<v Speaker 6>Cool?

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. Weren't

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<v Speaker 2>you listening?

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, as always, you can find his online Ridiculous Crime

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0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Pass word, I'm gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it anyway, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Deleted so much stuff that I put it.

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