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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton, Well, Zaron Brunette. So nice to see you,

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Speaker 2: so good to see You've been good.

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Speaker 3: I've been great.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for if you got a second yeh, yes, sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous I do, dude to share.

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Speaker 3: With the Okay? You know, like, viral videos are pretty

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Speaker 3: ridiculous generally speaking. Yeah, there's one that came out last year,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two of this dude. I think you've probably

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Speaker 3: seen it. He's a like a he's at a ballpark,

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Speaker 3: and he's at Yankee Stadium, and he gets a beer,

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Speaker 3: and he gets a hot dog, and he takes a

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Speaker 3: straw and he hollows out the hot dog yes, and

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Speaker 3: then uses it the hot dog straw for beer, which

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Speaker 3: I think is completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there it is really. No is the hidden mashup?

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Speaker 3: No, there is a hidden mashup. Okay, So I'm not

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Speaker 3: the only one who thought that that was ridiculous. Everybody

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Speaker 3: thought it was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: We all agreed on that.

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Speaker 3: Including Oscar Meyer. Oh no, Oscar Meyer has a hot

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Speaker 3: dog straw available. Now I'm not made out of real

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Speaker 3: hot dog. What it's made of silicone, so it's reusable.

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Speaker 2: What's the point, because it's the it's.

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Speaker 3: The funny anyway. It's a tube steak shaped straw made

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Speaker 3: out of silicone. And then this article in the takeout

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Speaker 3: notes a material often used to simulate the feel of

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Speaker 3: human skin. Oh, the straw is intended to be a

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Speaker 3: reusable item that you can use. And I okay, So

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Speaker 3: you go to the website the hot Dog Straw websitemyer

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Speaker 3: dot com, which I've been going to every bleeping morning.

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Speaker 2: Hitting refreshed refreshment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because okay, it says, pre order your hot dog

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Speaker 3: straw today, and I give them my name. I give

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Speaker 3: them my email address, which is a coveted state secret.

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Speaker 3: I give them my phone number. Can you believe that

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Speaker 3: I give them my address, I give them headquarters address,

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Speaker 3: and then like, okay, you check that you're at least

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Speaker 3: eighteen years old, and then you enter your name. You know,

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Speaker 3: you say like, okay, you're gonna send me garbage, like

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Speaker 3: you know, emails and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, admitting to the garbage.

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Speaker 3: Fine, whatever, I want a straw, you have to enter

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Speaker 3: one of those captures like I'm not a robot. Ok Yeah,

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Speaker 3: then you click pre order now, and every single day

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Speaker 3: it comes back to me. Sorry, you know, we're sold

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Speaker 3: out for today. Try again tomorrow. Done this every morning

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Speaker 3: since I found out about it, I try and get

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Speaker 3: bright and early. I got to get up earlier, man, okay,

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Speaker 3: and so anyway, no purchase necessary void. We're prohibited, which

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Speaker 3: I think these should be prohibited in the at least

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Speaker 3: the lower forty eight. Like I said, you gotta be

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Speaker 3: over eighteen, which, like that's creepy. It says all supplies

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Speaker 3: last ends September fifth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Well, you only have a few more days of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that people are going to hear this

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Speaker 3: episode after September fifth.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so they won't be competition for you.

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Speaker 3: They'll just have like a toime. We'll just have a

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Speaker 3: time capsule of my frustration.

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Speaker 2: My fingers are crossed for the appointment, but you get

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Speaker 2: this fleshy.

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Speaker 3: Someone's got to get me one of these hot dog straws.

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Speaker 3: I asked Oscar Meyer personally. They I went to his house.

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Speaker 3: I asked them. They didn't answer me. We'll try again, Oscar,

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Speaker 3: can you hear me? They don't answer me. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: I want a hot dog straw and it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is damn ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It is the end.

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Speaker 2: It should still be a real hot dog. Yes, but

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Speaker 2: I got one for you if you got a second,

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Speaker 2: if you're done thinking about hot dogs ever. No, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: this one's online rumors about celebrities. Oh I love those,

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Speaker 2: I know you do, right, But most of the time

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Speaker 2: they're kind of nonsense. No, like like there's the one

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Speaker 2: The story goes he was an assassin extraordinary for either

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Speaker 2: the Marines or the Navy Seals. Just see it go

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Speaker 2: both ways. The rumor is so widespread online that the

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Speaker 2: Navy Seals have actually put out a statement that said, quote,

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Speaker 2: we have to state it is false.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well who would think such a thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, good thing you asked that, because you ever heard

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Speaker 2: the one about Derek Jeter, Oh boy and the swag bags.

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Speaker 2: Was known to have or the rumor is is he

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Speaker 2: the woman would wake up alone, Derek Jeter gone, and

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Speaker 2: this wag bag would be some gifts, you know, lotions

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Speaker 2: of jal Yeah. And then the woman perused her bag

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Speaker 2: of goodies and looked at the Derek Jeter autograph baseball.

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Speaker 2: A car home would be called for her. Oh the story,

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Speaker 2: and everybody believed it. And Derek Jeter has said, and

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Speaker 3: He's like, I give them nothing. Yeah, so like I said,

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Speaker 3: but it's like when you fly first class and they

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Speaker 3: give you the little bag of like you know, imass.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, but it's just the Derek Jeter versus yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then throw in the autograph baba yeah. Wow, some

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Speaker 2: of these there's a bunch of wild celebrity rumors out

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Speaker 2: there right but some of them. Sometimes, Elizabeth, the rumor

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Speaker 2: it really seems true. Okay. For instance, there's one that

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Speaker 2: there's a celebrity who is a beloved TV dad and

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Speaker 2: he's long rumored to have been a major cocaine dealer

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Speaker 2: in the seventies. Could these online rumors be true?

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Speaker 3: I hope.

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Speaker 2: I think you are the answer to that. I think

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Speaker 2: I do. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: it's me. Have you ever heard the rumors that long

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Speaker 2: before he was America's sweetheart, Tim the tool Man tailor

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Speaker 2: Year Daring space Ranger, long before he was the Archie

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Speaker 2: Bunker reboot in The Last Man Standing, Tim Allen was

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Speaker 2: an inmate in prison doing hard time for pushing cocaine

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Speaker 2: in the disco disco seventies. Really it's a true story.

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Speaker 2: I kind of wondered about that. Well, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you all about it today, Okay. Now, just on

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Speaker 2: the face of it, when I was doing this research.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised by how many beloved former TV dads

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Speaker 2: are now criminal TV dads. Oh yeah, obviously there's Bill Cosby, right,

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Speaker 2: And then there's the guy from Seventh Heaven, Stephen Collins.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but I once

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Speaker 3: You did it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Jessica Biel, who was very nice, and

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Speaker 2: that oldest kid from the show, Barry. That guy was

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Speaker 3: Wait all you say I worked with him on Seventh Heavens.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was on Seventh Heaven. Yeah, and I definitely

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Speaker 2: was not surprised. Heaven I owned a jazz globe.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, he just.

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Speaker 3: I just can't with it.

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Speaker 2: In the seventh the world I owned property.

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Speaker 3: Have you have you heard of that guy who on

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Speaker 3: I see him on Instagram. I think he might have

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'm familiar with this guy. I've always been

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Speaker 2: secretly kind of hoping he would cover the episode I

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Speaker 2: for him to really mocks General seventh even silliness. Yes

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Speaker 2: he could, yeah, but obviously, I mean the whole plot

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Speaker 3: His name is Rob Anderson.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: So if you go to Instagram and you look at

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Speaker 3: Rob Anderson, which I think he's heart throbber on Rob Anderson.

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Speaker 3: I just looked this up super fast.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, he does really funny videos, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: send him a message.

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Speaker 2: And be like, you should do this.

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Speaker 3: Find the one with Zaren owning a jazz club.

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Speaker 2: God no, I got Yeah. So when the grand scheme

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Speaker 2: of things, My point is when you compare Tim the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all you got busted all Tim Allen

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Speaker 2: you don't watch TV, Elizabeth, No, I never seen it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And then the dude at the fence. There's

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Speaker 3: And then what's the boy Jonathan Taylor, Yes, Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor Thomas recommended Jonathan Taylor Thomas is going on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then there was another boy.

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Speaker 2: On there, three sons. So the guy he was, as

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Speaker 2: you have kind of pieced together, this tool loving, muscle

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Speaker 3: What happened to the mom?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, well let's see you know okay, so home

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Speaker 2: industrial accident Patricia Heaton, Yes, there was a mom on

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Speaker 3: I thought he was like a single dad.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, no, no, no, no, he could get.

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Speaker 3: He never watched it, so I thought he was like

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Speaker 3: a single dad just using tool No.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no. Like basically in the in the late nineties,

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Speaker 2: this dude was a thinking man's Jeff Foxworthy right. He

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Speaker 2: He was the duck hunting man sophisticated friend. He was

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Speaker 2: the blue collar guy's TV surrogate, right, So that's why

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Speaker 2: he was mister Detroit before Eminem took away that tight. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the guy was basically before Duck Dynasty and Dirty Jobs.

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Speaker 2: There was Tim Allen.

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Speaker 3: That's that's his old hair and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Kind not really though. So his sitcom Home of Room,

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Speaker 2: and it's a riff on Bob Beula's old this old house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he has on his show a show within

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Speaker 2: the show, and that's it's a woodworking show. And so

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Speaker 2: he teaches you how to rebuild a window, sash, things

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Speaker 2: time out right, he came out of Detroit, but he

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Speaker 2: this is like that's winning a lottery twice. I guess

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Speaker 2: Now, Now many people know that Tim Allen was a

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Speaker 2: Been busted for coke two now I went out. I

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Speaker 3: Timothon?

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Speaker 2: Very close? Tim Dick stock rather Timothy Dick. Born in Denver, Colorado,

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Speaker 2: shape his life's course. When he was eleven, his father

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Speaker 2: to little Tim Allen's all right, And as he said,

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Speaker 2: He loved. His father was the one who gave him

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Speaker 2: I don't blame cars. My dad love cars. I don't

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Speaker 2: is all I have of him. Really, right, Start to

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Speaker 2: they started talking. They eventually married. Hell to Tim Allens,

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's kind of wild right anyway. Overtime, Tim Allen.

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Speaker 3: A version of his father that never got to be realized.

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Speaker 2: Oh look at you the poet. Yes, and Tim Allen

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Speaker 2: shape his future, missus Kolkayen, and she had plans for

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Speaker 2: Tim Dick's future. Okay, let's take a little brack Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: But after these messages we'll get into the real nitty

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Speaker 5: Okay, Elizabeth, Hey, I gotta ask you something.

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Speaker 2: Oh please go hit me.

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Speaker 3: What was the name of your jazz club on Seventh Heaven?

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Speaker 2: You didn't have a name? What I know? It was

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Speaker 2: just Actually that's not true. It did have a name.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it did have a name. Give me

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Speaker 2: like I do say the name. I totally cannot remember it.

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Speaker 3: Jazz cat boys.

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Speaker 2: I may have done a little bit of jazz cat No,

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Speaker 2: I was younger, so it was what goes that producerative?

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Speaker 4: To me?

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Speaker 2: He was? To me, that's who he was.

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Speaker 3: He the heartbreaker Dizzy.

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Speaker 2: The heartbreaking club owner. But I gave that kid a chance.

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Speaker 3: Well think let it, think on it and try and perkolate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, where were that's right? With the coke Man

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Speaker 3: I just couldn't hold it in.

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Speaker 2: So at first, our man Tim Ollen, he was just

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Speaker 2: he decided I'm going to sell some. That way I

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Speaker 2: if I sell enough. He's like, this works out. Good

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Speaker 2: for Tim.

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Speaker 3: Do something you love. You never work a day in your.

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Speaker 2: Life, exactly, find the job you want dressed for. I

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Speaker 3: And then for the eighties, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: now he's just straight up coke dealer. Then he starts

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00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,880
Speaker 2: hanging out with the sort of people that you meet

436
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: when you deal cocaine in Detroit in the seventies, right,

437
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 2: see the mounts he was selling and the mountain he

438
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 2: was making in profits. They both keep climbing. He's like,

439
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 2: this is good. I'm good at this. I'm gonna do

440
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 2: this for a while.

441
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

442
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,640
Speaker 2: But as he claims, he was still trying to get

443
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 2: over the shocking loss of his father. Okay, so he

444
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,360
Speaker 2: liked coke mostly because it left him both lifted and numb,

445
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 2: and that was the feeling he was going, huh, So

446
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 2: that devil drug cocaine. It starts slowly eroding his future

447
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: without him paying attention. Because he's lifted in numb right

448
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,479
Speaker 2: out from underneath him. There goes his future. In the meantime,

449
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 2: he becomes this Detroit cocaine kingpin just kind of sleep

450
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 2: walks right into it. Try to imagine Tim Allen walking

451
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 2: into a cocaine deal in nineteen seventies Detroit, like I

452
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 2: like to picture it. I know it's wrong, but like

453
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 2: in a pimp suit, which, like I said, I know

454
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 2: it's wrong, but none of this is right. So he

455
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 2: has a feather in his fur fedora, he has a

456
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 2: bird on his shoulder. He's got a cane with like

457
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,719
Speaker 2: a goldfish swimming in the glass ball that's the handle.

458
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: Just let your imagination with Elizabeth.

459
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining him in the seventies walking in and

460
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 3: like a polo shirt tucked into his dad jeans, his

461
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 3: nineties dad jeans.

462
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: No, honestly, he was more like blue jeans, stained shirt

463
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: and like you know, a button down kind of maddress

464
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 2: kind of you know, the look makes sense. Yeah, right,

465
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: So anyway, dude was twenty five years old and he

466
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: was months away from losing it all. Now, just for

467
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: prospective's sake, Yeah, what were some of his contemporaries doing

468
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: at that same age. Let's take businessman Mark Cuban. He

469
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: also had a you know, a wandering youth. He was

470
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: a bartender in Dallas. He's recalled his days in his book,

471
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 2: How to Win at the Sport of Business. Quote to Dallas,

472
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 2: I was struggling, sleeping on the floor with six guys

473
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: in a three bedroom apartment. I used to drive around,

474
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: look at the big houses and imagine what would it

475
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: be like to live there and use that as motivation.

476
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: So there he is sleeping on the floor with six

477
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: dudes in a three bedroom apartment. Okay, No, that's not

478
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: quite as bad as cocaine, but it sounds like it anyway.

479
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 2: So that's, you know, it's basically normal twenty five year

480
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: old guy behavior.

481
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban and Tim tim Apple. They're the same.

482
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: Age roughly, okay, and he doesn't not exactly but a

483
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: little older. But she's also a fellow future inmate, Martha Stewart.

484
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: What was she doing when she.

485
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: Was twenty f Was she a model?

486
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 6: Then?

487
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: Good call Elizabeth old inmate five five one seven zero

488
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: dash oh five to four when she was twenty five

489
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: years old. Future inmate street name M Diddy, she was

490
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: doing stay at home mothering she had, Oh you were correct,

491
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: though she'd spent five years working as a stockbroker. Before that,

492
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: she was a fashion model where she worked for Chanel

493
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 2: and others. So boom she had done stockbroking, fashion modeling,

494
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: all that, and then boom wouldn't bems at home mother?

495
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: I love her?

496
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

497
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: I think she then had to start a catering business

498
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: and that was or she started. She did it aligned

499
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: with her.

500
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: She started catering business after she'd been home for a year.

501
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: She's like, I need to do something. Starts her catering business,

502
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: which becomes Martha Stewart's empire that today. Okay, back to

503
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: Tim Allen, what was he doing it twenty five?

504
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: Call him Tim Apple.

505
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Well, we already know he was doing cocaine, so we

506
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: also know he was He was good enough at that

507
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: to become a Detroit coke dealer. So now you may

508
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: be wondering, Okay, sure is Aaron Tim Allen was a

509
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: Detroit coke dealer. But what kind of Detroit coke dealer?

510
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 5: Was he? A?

511
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: Really comedic one great.

512
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: Question, Elizabeth, I like this. You brought you a game today.

513
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: In crime parlance. He was a not good at being

514
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 2: a coke dealer. Coke dealer, like I would say that

515
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: he was bad at it.

516
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

517
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the year was nineteen seventy eight. Future Tim

518
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: Allen was just months away from being busted and losing

519
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: his life to a prison sentence. Now, as I told you,

520
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: there are a few details online, but I found the

521
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: co defendant's federal appeal which laid out Tim Allen's whole

522
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: cocaine dealing days. Uh huh, okay, Elizabeth's time to crack

523
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: that bad boy. You're ready, yes, okay. Here are the

524
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 2: facts that is testified in court. There are two men,

525
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: Charles Willett and Donald Cobb. They were big time coke

526
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: deal It's real deal. They're they're plug for cocaine. Was

527
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: a man named Dennis McCarthy. You'll notice that there are

528
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: no Spanish names in this so far. Welcome to the

529
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: Detroit cocaine scene in the nineteen seventies. There's a lot

530
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: of white guys. So Dennis McCarthy from Holland, Michigan, nicknamed

531
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: the Tulip City. It's a suburb he.

532
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: Was named, and then just the city.

533
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: So the suburb of Grand Rapids Michigan is Holland, Holland, Michigan. Right,

534
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: See the other guy's will It and Cobb. They live

535
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: up in Traverse, Michigan, which is a smaller, unincorporated town

536
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: in Michigan. It's up at the western tip of the

537
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Upper Peninsula. Yeah, so will It and Cobb. They would

538
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: charter a plane and fly down to Holland where they

539
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: would meet their hook up there and they'd buy a

540
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: pound of cocaine or whatever you you know, whatever much

541
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: then they'd fly back to the Upper Peninsula where they'd

542
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: sell out that pound of cocaine. Even though it's a rural,

543
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: underpopulated area. This was the seventies, so the cocaine sells

544
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: it I think.

545
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't even have to be. It's the seventies. You'd

546
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: be surprised what goes on in rural areas.

547
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: Cocaine was still kind of a new drug. So it

548
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: had made it up to the Upper Peninsula where they

549
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: were able to sell like you know, the space comes things.

550
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't just Studio fifty four types were lusting after

551
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: the white lady. They were selling a quarter pound of

552
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: cocaine every two to three days.

553
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 5: Wow.

554
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: See that's what I said. First, anyway, will let he

555
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: hears about this new coke suppliers. He's thinking, I can

556
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: get better deals the big players from Florida. He's told

557
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: everybody knows that's where the cocaine is coming from. So

558
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: he's this dude's so big, he's only known by initials

559
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: mw okay. So the coke dealer McCarthy tells will It

560
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: about this supplier and he's gonna come up to Michigan

561
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: for a visit. You guys got to get on this.

562
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: May twenty third, nineteen seventy eight. Will It Charters A

563
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: plane flies down from Travis to Holland his supplier McCarthy

564
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: picks him up the local airport. They all drive back

565
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: to McCarthy's apartment. They bed down for the night. I

566
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: like to imagine the coke dealer that had like pajamas

567
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: laid out for.

568
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: The Yeah, totally.

569
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, very thoughtful, very tasteful, very modern. Yeah,

570
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: very Martha Stewart. Anyway, the next day they drive down

571
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: to Kalamazoo, Michigan. They hit up the home of the

572
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: new supplier. His dud's name is Bradley's Shruck, right. His

573
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: initials are not MW. That's because he is not that guy,

574
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: but he he is tight with that guy, and he

575
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: is from Florida. Anyway, He's not the big supplier, he's

576
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: the big suppliers contact. So he's like, talk to me,

577
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: I'll talk to MW.

578
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: Right.

579
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: So Shock promises to drive Will and McCarthy over to

580
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: the closest red roof d for a cocaine deal.

581
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: God, I love the root I've never been to one.

582
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: I just love referencing.

583
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if you're gonna do a coke deal

584
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 2: in a small to medium sized to your city, it's

585
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: happening at a red roof And if you were staying

586
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: at a red roof in, you are either a criminal

587
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: or you are dating one. Like that's just the rule. Anyway.

588
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: So they rock up at this red roof in I've

589
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: been to plenty, I can tell you that's the truth.

590
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: And they meet this dude at MW and he is

591
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: the supplier. Right, he's got a briefcase with him. Right,

592
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: It's like an eighties police show. There's like a cheap motel,

593
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: a briefcase of money, some tester vials of cocaine. It's

594
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: all white guys. It's just like what's going on here? Anyway?

595
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: MW cracks up in the briefcase. He indeed has a

596
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: ton of cash and a bunch of cocaine. He tells

597
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: the interested parties it'll be four thousand dollars an ounce. Now,

598
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: let me translate that for you, Elizabeth, because since there

599
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: is about twenty eight and a one third gram in

600
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: and outs, I know it's all from my pot growing days.

601
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: That's basically it works out that four thousand dollars an

602
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: ounce breaks down to about one hundred and forty dollars

603
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: a gram. Okay, right, that's expensive cocaine. Okay, but these

604
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: duws are down. They were like, ah, we'll take it

605
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: Detroit prices or whatever. So they tested the vials for

606
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: the purity of the coke. The color was right. They

607
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: buy a trial gram and they go back to Shock's

608
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: motel room. He's also got a room at the same

609
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: red roof in so they're like, yeah, let's go rail

610
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: up some coke. They try it themselves. They're like whoo,

611
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: it's surreal deal. They go back like knock knock knock,

612
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: and make a future arrangement for a cocaine deal a

613
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: big one man. They fly back to travers Michigan. This

614
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: is where the mouse of the jungle takes down the lion. Already,

615
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: the charter plane company these folks that they've been growing

616
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: suspicious of these local flyboys and their fast ass lifestyle.

617
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: So the bookkeeper from the charter plane company, she phoned

618
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: the state Police with a hot tip and they're like,

619
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: oh yeah, tells the cops are fairly certain some local

620
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: boys are smuggling drugs on their charter plane. Boom, now

621
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: they got attention the whole operations under a microscope. Things

622
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: go bad for Wilton cop because they hadn't just chartered planes.

623
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: They had had pilots on the planes. They couldn't fly

624
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: these small planes, so they had these pilots. So now

625
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: they have witnesses and overhear them talking and they know

626
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: their delivery schedules. They have like it's terrible. This is

627
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: bad news for the one to be cocaine kingpins. Worst

628
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: news is that Michigan State Police coordinated with the charter

629
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: company and they arrange for their next flight to be

630
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: piloted by undercover cops. So now they are totally screwed.

631
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: By June, it takes like a couple of weeks, will

632
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: it figures out he's under surveillance. He's like, those are cops,

633
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: those are not silent. So what does he do, Elizabeth,

634
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. He rats himself out. He goes directly

635
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: and he goes, I want to confess. He confesses everything.

636
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know if he's under like real investigation.

637
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: Just before he even like broke deal.

638
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: He goes to them and just goes, Hey, I'm a

639
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: cocaine dealer and I'd like to tell you about my friends.

640
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: So he flips on everyone else involved. He's like, I'll

641
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: tell you anything you want to know as long as

642
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: I can avoid charges. Guy, You're like, who are you?

643
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: But his plan works. He's able to tell them who

644
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: he is and certify his plan, and so he flips.

645
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: He becomes an undercover in formant. Now he for a contact.

646
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: He gets this dude, Michael Pifer, and he's the undercover

647
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: Cup who becomes his handler. Right, so will it smoves

648
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: an intro for this cop Pifer. He introduces him to

649
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: his partner Cop and to his supplier McCarthy. The undercover

650
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: Cup he gets to work. He starts arranging deals. He

651
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: also wants to meet all the other dealers in this

652
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: coke neck work. Yeah, yeah, I just really want to

653
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: get into business with you guys. Everyone's like, cool, now

654
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: you made wondering Saron, I'm not hearing the name Tim

655
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Allen in this, Elizabeth, that's a great question.

656
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: His name is Dick.

657
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: This is very good memory. This is where it comes in.

658
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Old Tim Dick, Tim Allen, low level local dealer, college dealer.

659
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: He would get supplied by McCarthy who knows the Florida

660
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: contact shruck and MW. So Tim Allen. He also has

661
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: a partner in the cocaine business. It's his roommate, Gerald Mead.

662
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: So they live together, they push together, They just have

663
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: their lives entwined. Yeah, so Jerry Meade, Tim Dick. They're

664
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: running product like a student film version of Scarface.

665
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: Right.

666
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: So in July nineteen seidate, their new supplier MW shows

667
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: up at Jerry Ned's house and he brings with him

668
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: six ounces of cocaine. He tells Mead and Tim Allen

669
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: it's theirs to sell. He's even willing to front them

670
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: so they can pay him later. And they're like, oh,

671
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: thank god, because you know, we don't really have money

672
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: like that. So they agreed to the deal. He says,

673
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: we'll take a we'll just take two of or six ounces.

674
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: We can't we couldn't push all six ounces. They settle

675
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: on a price. The price nineteen hundred dollars an ounce.

676
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: So they're like, oh, they got a better price than

677
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: their original that we mentioned from the red roof in

678
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: right now, Meat and Tim Dick. They get busy. They

679
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: start flipping the two ounces as fast as they can.

680
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: The fastest way they think to do it is to

681
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: sell it all to Shock, and I'm like, these people

682
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: will know each other. I don't know how this plays out.

683
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: But then he doesn't have cash on him, so he

684
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: promises to pay a grand now and the rest later.

685
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: So he takes two ounces. Shock then goes to the

686
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: supplier McCarthy, and he sells them to He sells the

687
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: cocaine to McCarthy. It works its way back up the

688
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: other chain. He says, send the money to Jerry Mead

689
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: and Tim Dick. So now they're they're connect to sending

690
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: the money for cocaine. That they're it's all backers right.

691
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: A few days past, there's nineteen hundred and seventy five

692
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: dollars waiting for them at Western Union. Deal is done

693
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: and paid for it. Next they like this right, So,

694
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: as I said, at this point, Tim Allen Gary Mead,

695
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: they're not just coke dealers and partners. They're living together

696
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: in Kalamazoo, Michigan. So they're running like a mom and

697
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: pop coke shop, right for college kids and blue collar heroes. Right,

698
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: So you getting fronted all this cocaine. There's suppliers coming

699
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: around picking up the cash later. If they're making this work,

700
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: they don't know that there's there is a major investigation

701
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: going on with this, so they become of major interest

702
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: because they're moving a lot of coke. It at the

703
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: exact wrong time to be these star buyers or star sellers.

704
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: Rather summer rolls on August ninth, nineteen seventy eight, McCarthy

705
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: phones Tim Allen aka Tim Dick and tells the future

706
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: TV Dad he's got a buddy who wants to buy

707
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: four ounces of coke from him. Tim Allen's like, all right, bet,

708
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: when where what's the deal? McCarthy tells him, We'll come

709
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: to you, right, So he brings with him the buyer,

710
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: who is the undercover cop Pifer. They walk into tim

711
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Allens place, which he share with Jerry mead, they'll go upstairs.

712
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: The supplier MW. Joins them a little later. He brings

713
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: with him a thermist. Everyone's like, oh, what's in the thermis?

714
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Bro After a moment of intrigue, he's like, yeah, just

715
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: my souper, my launch. He untwists the thermist cap, he opens

716
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: and he pours into his hand the contents. His waiting

717
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: hand catches three quarters pounds of cocaine.

718
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

719
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: And then they did something that surprise me. Tim Allen

720
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: decides to cut the coke right in front of the buyer.

721
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: The guy who's going to buy the coke. He's like,

722
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: let me just cut those for you. So he cuts

723
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: the cocaine. So he puts in like baby lacks it

724
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: over whatever white powder he is using to cut it.

725
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: This is nineteen seventy eight, Detroit. I don't know what

726
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: to tell you, Elizabeth. And then Tim Allen cuts the cocaine.

727
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: Then he and his partner sell it to the undercover

728
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: Cup for thirty nine hundred dollars and thirty nine eighty Right,

729
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: everyone's satisfied in such a mess exactly MW. He leaves

730
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: with his four ounces of coke from Tim Allen. That

731
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: it had been fronted to him as per usual, and

732
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, yeah, I see if you can move

733
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: this right. So Tim Allen's like, yeah, I'll try to

734
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: see if I get some more. Here's the thing, Elizabeth,

735
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Remember what I said about Tim Allen was not a

736
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: good coke dealer. Yeah, it's hard to see it. It's

737
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: like who are you. You're selling the buyer to sell

738
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: what's going on? And you're also cutting your coke in

739
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: front of your buyer like they don't know how to

740
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: cut the coke? I mean, are you charging them?

741
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, he didn't the buyer. Wait, you said

742
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 3: m w was the one with the thermos.

743
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but he's giving it to McCarthy. So McCarthy

744
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: was his former supplier. So he's getting it from this

745
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: new supplier. And then Shruck who knows McCarthy has it,

746
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: go to Tim Allen and then go back up the

747
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: chain to him and then it makes no exactly, So

748
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: and d are breaking like two of Biggie's crack commandments.

749
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: It's just like he's living with his business partner and

750
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: it just makes no sense anyway. So, like I said,

751
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: not a good coke dealer days past he's not able

752
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: to sell this coke. He's been fronted most recently because

753
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: apparently he only has the one buyer. The guy's like,

754
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: I already got the coke. So he's like, try to

755
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: find some college kids. They can't. They aren't able to

756
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: move it. Now. As I said, he's got these ounces

757
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: of cocaine. He's trying to maybe he could work a deal.

758
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: So this is when the supplier McCarthy calls him. He's like, hey,

759
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: you and your partner, Jerry Mead, I got a good

760
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: news for you, you and your coke problem. I got

761
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: a buyer who wants a big purchase. And the guy's like,

762
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: who is He's like, oh, he wants to buy a

763
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: pound and a half of cocaine. Jerry Mead and McCarthy.

764
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: They settle on a price forty two thousand dollars for

765
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: a pound and a half of cocaine.

766
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 6: Wow.

767
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Bad news for them was the buyer was the undercover

768
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: cop Fiver. So let's take a little break and then

769
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what went down at the Kalamazoo Airport

770
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: that would forever change the course of Tim the Coke

771
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: ban Allen's life.

772
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Yes, O, great Elizabeth all Right, we're back.

773
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Oh right, you're ready for some more cocaine?

774
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.

775
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Tim Allen his partner Jerry Mead.

776
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: They'd set up their forty two thousand dollars coke deal

777
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: with an undercover cup So the deal.

778
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: A lot of money now, okays, a lot of money?

779
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Then exactly, it's a big deal, a lot of money.

780
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: So it either be a huge payday for them or

781
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: they'll catch a prison sentence. Yeah, they got it a

782
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: coin flip. So, as it turns out, the state of

783
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: Michigan had just passed the law for mandatory minimum sentences

784
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: for drug deals. Tim Allen, due to the size and

785
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: scope of his drug deal, was facing a mandatory life

786
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: in prison sentence if he was busted, no exceptions. So

787
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: the cocaine cowboys at Detroit, they had or kept their

788
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: plan very simple. They decided they would meet at a

789
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: pre arranged spot in a very public space. I don't know.

790
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: They thought that would keep them safe. Tim Allen, he

791
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: picked the Kalamazoo Airport. That's how he'd seen it done

792
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: in a TV show. So he's like, I want to

793
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 2: do it like I saw in that team.

794
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: He loves the TV what year is this.

795
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy eight. Okay, so it was like Hawaii or something.

796
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Nixon's War on drugs.

797
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're deep into all of that. Yeah. So

798
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: at this point they have a day and time set.

799
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: What happens next? Obviously we know did not go well.

800
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: But rather than me just tell you about Elizabeth, I'd

801
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: like you to close your eyes and picture it. You

802
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: are currently in the Kalamazoo Airport. The date is October second.

803
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: Outside the airport, there's a crispness in the air. It's

804
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: that refreshing feel of autumn. Inside the airport, it is

805
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: rather quiet. It's a small regional airport. Between flights, a

806
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: few announcements, some travelers, but mostly quiet. You are there

807
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: on a lark. You're flying to Bismarck, North Dakota. You

808
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: have a plan to meet a local bear expert who's

809
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: promised to take you out into the field so that

810
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: you can hug a bear. Yes, it's the seventies. Anything

811
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: as possible, Yes, and if you have some time to

812
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: yourself after leaving the Linda Rodstat tour as her tour.

813
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: Manage, Oh my god.

814
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: Yes.

815
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: So as you sit in the fiberglass teardrop seat in

816
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: the waiting area. You flip through a copy of Life magazine,

817
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: but really it's just a cover for you to do

818
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: your people watching.

819
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: I am loving my life.

820
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: Right now, you've been watching the middle aged woman behind

821
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: the ticket counter. You're convinced that she has a crush

822
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: on the guy who's working as the airport announcer, because

823
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: every time there's an announcement she smiles just a little.

824
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: Now though, right now, you're mostly focused on two shaggy haired,

825
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: mustached college kids. They came in together, but they're seated

826
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: across the airport from each other. They both keep looking

827
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: around like they're waiting for someone or for something. The

828
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: brown haired, mustachioed college kid, his name is Tim. You've

829
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: heard the other one call him that. Now he apparently

830
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: you don't know this, saw a TV show where some

831
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: criminals made an exchange like this, so that's why he's

832
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: here doing this. But you don't know all that. You

833
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: just see him looking super nervous there and there's the

834
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: other college kids seated across the tiny airport. He signals

835
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: to the brown haired one, who then pops up. He

836
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: takes a piece of luggage with him, and he walks

837
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: over the luggage lockers. He opens it up, slides the

838
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: bag in, takes the key, palms it. Looks around again.

839
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: You look back the other direction. You see there's a

840
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: man who's just entered the tiny quiet airport. He's wearing

841
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: a straw fedora, at least the summertime hat. It's October whatever.

842
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: He has on short sleeves in a tie once again,

843
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: okay whatever. He looks like he sells boats for a living.

844
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: The college kids walk right up to him. He doesn't

845
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: really say anything to them. Instead, he just reaches out

846
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: his hand for a handshake. You're curious how these two

847
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: groups know each other. The college kids don't look like

848
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: they're really in the market for a cabin cruiser, but anyway,

849
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: you do spot that He slyly passes the luggage locker

850
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: key to the guy in the straw fedora, and then

851
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: the two men part almost wordlessly. The college kid walks

852
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: over to the guy he came in with, while the

853
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: other guy walks over to the luggage locker. The guy

854
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: in the straw hat opens it. He takes out the bag.

855
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: He quickly unzips it, checks the contents, and then he

856
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: nods and boom, out of nowhere in Russia's state police.

857
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: They swore in the airport, guns drawn, barking orders at

858
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: the two shaggy headed college kids. You are loving, oh am,

859
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: I it start a real deal drug bust in Kalama Zoos.

860
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: As Tim Allen would later tell it, the next thing

861
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: I observed was a.

862
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Speaker 4: Gun in my face.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love this.

864
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Speaker 2: So you just witnessed the drug bust that would change

865
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Speaker 2: Tim Allen's life. Now that he's officially busted, his life

866
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: and his future are over. He's staring down a life

867
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Speaker 2: sentence behind bars in a Michigan prison. So what does

868
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: Tim Allen do? Elizabeth?

869
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: Does? She sing like a bird.

870
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: That is how he ended up becoming the Tim Allen

871
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: beloved TV dad. He did. But we in the streets

872
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: call snitching. He snitched as hard as he could. He

873
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: snitched to anyone who would listen. And did it work?

874
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: Apparently?

875
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: You bet it did. A retired FBI agent who worked

876
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: the case quote, mister Allen was very reluctant to spend

877
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: the rest of his life in prison, so he decided

878
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: to play ball. The information he gave helped build several

879
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: other cases after the entire ordeal and to his credit.

880
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: He obviously went on to turn things around for himself

881
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: quite well. FBI. So what did the retired officer mean

882
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: when he said what information Tim Allen gave up? They

883
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: able to make several other cases.

884
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: Like oh mw baby, they went after Martha Washington.

885
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: He may be thinking of that. How hard exactly did

886
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: Tim Allen snitch?

887
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: Hard?

888
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: Is my guess, he to avoid a life sentence.

889
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 4: Hard.

890
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: I'll put it to you this way. He wasn't approached

891
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: to snitch. It was his idea. Oh, Tim Allen approached

892
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: the cops was like, who do I have to talk

893
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: to around here to snitch? So eventually he finds the

894
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: right person, and you called it. He sang like a

895
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: stool pigeon. He sang like a songbird in prison pajamas.

896
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: He told the prosecutors everything he knew about the Kalamazoo

897
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: drug scene. He told the cops who sold, who lived where,

898
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: who knew who, where they got their stuff from? Everything, Wow,

899
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: and it worked. The prosecutors agreed to drop the most

900
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: serious charges against them. But not only that, they agreed

901
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: to not prosecute him in Michigan and instead turn him

902
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: over to the FEDS. That meant he couldn't be sentenced

903
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: under Michigan's new life sentence for drug dealers. So Tim

904
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: Allen avoided a mandatory life in prison by snitching on

905
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: like twenty or thirty other people.

906
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: Good for him.

907
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: No, I may not respect snitches, right, but in his

908
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: crew of ne'er do wells, I don't hate this choice.

909
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

910
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean, these dudes, they're not the mafia. This is

911
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: not like Omerita. We got a code of silence. This

912
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: four Michigan three to four Michigan numbskulls, And.

913
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you they would do it just as

914
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: fast on him.

915
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, himself in this instance. I mean, oh yeah,

916
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: it's like how modest mouse wants saying this plane is

917
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: definitely crashing. Remember anyway, Tim out and he plays guilty

918
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: into a lighter trafficking charges in federal court. And then

919
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: when he sentenced. The judge in his case, Patrick McCauley,

920
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: was apparently one of his first fans, because he told

921
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: that he expected him to quote one day be a

922
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: very successful comedian. Judge mccab So.

923
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Was he already doing standard I don't know, see testing

924
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: stuff out on the stand?

925
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can he doing like a quick five in court

926
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: and he's like a jailbird. Jerry Seinfeld Like, have you

927
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: ever noticed how cokes will call you at all hours

928
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: of the day? I mean, don't you have a job?

929
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: But it guys That question answers itself.

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00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: Am I right?

931
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 6: I know?

932
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, Well did he do the grunt? You understand? Yeah,

933
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: he's like a manor pigs right. Judge raw macauley told

934
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: Tim Allen that he saw quote a remarkable talent. Don't

935
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: waste it, and then he also told him be a man,

936
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: do your time, then come out and do what you

937
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: do best. Yeah. So despite getting out of this life sentence,

938
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: tim Allen had still reason to fear for his life

939
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: because he had snitched on everyone in the Calendarzoo cocaine scene,

940
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: and they had friends who were already on the inside.

941
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

942
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: As one coup put it, tim Allen quote helped authorities

943
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: indict twenty people in the drug trade and resulted in

944
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: the conviction and sentencing of four major drug dealers. So

945
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: he had four major enemies at least, and sixteen others

946
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: that were just minor enemies. So of those twenty people

947
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: catching charges, how many of them would have a shot

948
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: at him? Well, he had no idea. So he's like,

949
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do about this? I won't even

950
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: know what they look like. The judge in the federal case,

951
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: who had this professional crush on Tim Allen, he's like,

952
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: I got you, boo.

953
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: You are so funny.

954
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want that funny to be hurt you funny.

955
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: So he made sure that Tim Allen was incarcerated, not

956
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: in the Michigan prison, but instead sent him over the

957
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: border to Minnesota, and that way he'd be safe from

958
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: revenge because I guess like their cocaine beef still across

959
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: the border.

960
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

961
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 2: So, after all this extra help consideration from the judge

962
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: in the federal time was still no easy time for

963
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: Tim Allen because he was not ready for prison life. Yeah,

964
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: he said, when I went to jail, reality hit so

965
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: hard that it took my breath away, took my stance away,

966
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: took my strength away. I was there buck naked, humiliated,

967
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: sitting in my own crap, and urine that this is

968
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: a metaphor my ego had run off. Your ego is

969
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: the biggest coward. So eventually he's able to confront his He.

970
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: Just drops that in the middle of he's like, okay, no,

971
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: I really actually did.

972
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: A little bit all right, mostly urine and whatever was

973
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: it first day only. So eventually he confronts his ego.

974
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: He grabs hold of the reins of his soul and

975
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: he gives it a hardy yank and he's like, quote,

976
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: the law was passed to teach people a lesson selling

977
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: more than six hundred and fifty grams of cocaine got

978
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: you life in prison. They thought it would be a deterrent.

979
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I was put in a holding cell with

980
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: twenty other guys. We had to crap in the same

981
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: crapper in the middle of the room, and I just

982
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: told myself, I can't do this for seven and a

983
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: half years. I want to kill myself.

984
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: So then he's like he really focused on poop.

985
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he's very much a poop forward. Oh yeah, copper

986
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: light or copper what is it? Copper philic, a copper file,

987
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

988
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

989
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, so he hear that prison is tough as hell,

990
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: right it is. Yeah, And it's also a great place

991
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: to catch up on your reading and your correspondence. I

992
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: mean there's some benefits, right. Well, he also found it

993
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: was a great place to learn to shut the hell up. Yeah,

994
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: he said, and I quote, I just shut up and

995
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: did what I was told. It was the first time

996
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: ever that I did what I was told, and I

997
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: played the game. I learned literally how to live day

998
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: by day, and I learned how to shut up. You

999
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: definitely want to learn how to shut up the big

1000
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: lesson crap and shutting up. That's fit for prison. On

1001
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: June twelfth, nineteen eighty one, after serving two years and

1002
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: four months, he was released from federal prison. He gets

1003
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: he finds work at a Detroit ad agency. He starts

1004
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: to doing stand up comedy at the local Comedy Castle

1005
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: in Detroit. But by then he was a new man.

1006
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: He was becoming the Tim Allen that we know. I

1007
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: mean that quote. I was funny before that prison grew

1008
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: me up. I was an adolescent that woke up too

1009
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: early when my father was killed, and I stayed at

1010
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: that angry adolescent level. Sounds about accurate now. In nineteen

1011
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: eighty nine, he books a comedy special in Showtime Disney

1012
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: Head haunches Michael Eisner. Jeffrey Katzenberg later co founds DreamWorks

1013
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: with Spielberg David Geffen. They see the special. They fall

1014
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: out laughing. I'm like, oh, iw met are pigs? I

1015
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: love this guy? Right, They're like we need to they

1016
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: see dollar signes, like we need to make a show

1017
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: with him. So Tim Allen's show Home Improve It debuted

1018
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one. After that, you know his story now.

1019
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: In an interview after he'd be kind of famous, Tim Allens,

1020
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: beloved TV dad and former Cooke head, he offered this

1021
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: life advice, if you were told the end at the beginning,

1022
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have to travel, Elizabeth. I have to disagree

1023
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: with him, because life is about how you get to

1024
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: where you're going, rather than the destination you arrive at

1025
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: the end. It doesn't matter at all. Really, I mean

1026
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: exhibit a Tim Allen's whole life. It's like, what a

1027
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: wild ride, And it was far more interesting than what

1028
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: you'd expect from someone who is the star of wild Hogs, right,

1029
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: I mean, ild you star of wild Hogs? You don't

1030
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: expect am I right? So what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

1031
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

1032
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: You know you want to become a professional stand up comedian,

1033
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: do little time in the FCI and the yes.

1034
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: And learn how to shut up?

1035
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: Learn how to shut up. Yeah, I like that. It's ridiculous.

1036
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm angels are singing.

1037
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 2: I know. Producer Dave, could we just capture this moment

1038
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: for a second. Is feels so good Elizabeth.

1039
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Speaker 3: About one other than her?

1040
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't have one?

1041
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 6: Cool?

1042
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: So there you go the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. Weren't

1043
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: you listening?

1044
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1045
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, as always, you can find his online Ridiculous Crime

1046
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: on Twitter, Instagram, sometimes threads. As long as Elizabeth doesn't

1047
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: have the.

1048
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: Pass word, I'm gonna get it.

1049
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: Stop it anyway, I'm ready.

1050
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: Deleted so much stuff that I put it.

1051
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: I saw that. Anyway. We have a website also Ridicloscrime

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