1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this episode is Debo and Joe. I'm 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like subscribing download 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: where you get your podcast Joe Episode seventy and seventy 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: thousand followers as a day. How are you doing? I'm 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: doing great. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: We got to notice is the seventieth episode seventy k 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: you know, and it's a great day. 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: It's a great day. Debo proud to being the show brother. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: To be on this good Monday. It's been a long 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: time since we've been popped off since it felt like forever, 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: ben't it. This Tuesday had a long time. Yeah, it 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: felt like a minute. So you know, we got to 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: get into you know, a lot, a lot has happened, 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: A lot has happened. Yeah, yeah, we got to get 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: into to what Joey Joey Porter Senior said. First, I 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: want to say this though, Okay, I want to say 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: me and Joy have talked at length about this. We 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: have not minxed words. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: If you heard us talk, you heard us conversation, if 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: it was recorded, you would have thought it was on 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: and popping I hung up on a nigga all that like, 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: h yeah, like you brother brother's fight. Now. I'm sure 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: you heard the comments. But for y'all that didn't, here's 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: here's what he said. Well, he broke the brotherhood. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: Then seven definitely broke the brotherhood because like that's the ship, 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: the seven dude that did that. We don't talk about 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: it now. It's crazy, like like anybody should talk. He 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: should never grab a microphone and really talk still a 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: business because if we talk and still a business, his 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: ass is file of all foul Like the ship that 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: he's dead is foule of all foule. 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: He's not a good teammate. Won a Super Bowl? Would he? 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: But the person he's just not a good teammate. Like 35 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: he knows that. Anybody in the still a building knows that. 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: But we protected em because I've only won one super 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: Bowl and that was my quarterback. So do I love 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: my quarterback? 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? But is it a good person? No? Uh yeah, 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: y'all they didn't play the part that that he said 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: about me. I don't know why y'all didn't. You need 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: to you need to get that in there. But what 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: he said was he basically he basically had said that 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: we told our version of our story in Pittsburgh. Okay. 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: And now when you read in between the lines on that, 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: you would imply that our version means, like, you know, 47 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: it's a lie. Because people reading between the lines, would 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: you imply that if I said that's your version. 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: I mean no, I mean every everybody has their own 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: version to the story. 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I mean different parts. Okay. So 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: when it comes down to this, that's my version, FN's version, 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, this is his version. Okay. He 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: believes Mike Thomlins is a great coach, and the reasons 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: that he gave behind that was that he said I 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: should be more loyal to him because my name Debo, 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: I had three four Pro Bowls defensive playerity played in 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: two championships. He paid me fifty million, changed my life, 59 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: and power cut me three times. And he feels like 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: I took a shot at him and I broke the brotherhood. Okay. 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: So when you say these things, Joe, it implies that 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: he gave me it right, like he gave me this first. 63 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't give me the name Debo. Brett 64 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Keyzel gave me the name Debo. Okay, he didn't give 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: me Pro Bowls. He didn't make me the only undrafted 66 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: player to ever win Defensive Player of the Year and 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: get paid fifty million dollars. Okay, again implying that it 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: was given to me undeservingly. It wasn't Cowerd cut me 69 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: three times. Hell, I would have cut me. Did you see? 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: Did you see my football life? Like I would have 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: cut me. I earned everything I was given, even the cuts. 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Now he says Mike Tomlin is great. I say he's 73 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: a good coachyo. And here's my reasoning again, dude, it's 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: not personal, although I do have a personal issue with him. Yes, 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: he got two Super Bowl appearances, he has a win, 76 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: he is the only coach and what twenty years to 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: go without having the losing season. And as my brother 78 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Clark said, he has done more with less. But 79 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: he has to also be responsible for acquiring that less. Okay, 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: And I believe that comes because he has missed on 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: his first and second round draft choices. Over the last 82 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: ten years. He has only signed two guys to long 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: term deals when that time came for renewal. Now, your 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: ones and twos are supposed to be the easiest picks 85 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: that you get right, missed on twelve or fourteen of them. Okay, 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: he has done a great job with less talent. Okay, 87 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: but he has done a far less job with great 88 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: talent since our last playoff win in twenty seven sixteen. 89 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, he had a number one and a 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: number five defense and was bounced out in the first 91 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: playoff game by Jacksonville forty two to forty five. Twenty eighteen, 92 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: fourth ranked offense with a six ranked defense didn't even 93 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Didn't make the playoffs in twenty nineteen 94 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: with the first fifth ranked defense. Twenty twenty, y'all lost 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns with the third ranked defense thirty 96 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: seven to forty eight. Okay, and the biggest thing for me, 97 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you ain't got a coaching tree. The coaching tree is 98 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the greatest indicator of your strength in teaching and the 99 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: ability to develop other coaches under your leadership. And no 100 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: coach in NFL history that has a tenure this long 101 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: would be able or has been able to do that 102 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: without having a treat but him. Okay. Now, this is 103 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: where the personal relationship gets involved with people. Okay, you 104 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: have a relationship and it's a good one. So you 105 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: can look at the negative things and look past it, 106 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: and you can focus on the positive things because you 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: have a good relationship with him. Joe. Yeah, you have 108 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: guys that say he's a great coach and haven't even 109 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: had a playoff win under him. Hell you one of 110 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: those dudes. Yeah, coach, you didn't want a playoff game under. 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: Him because that at the same time, you can still 112 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: be a great coach and your team you can still underperform. 113 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the coaching you weren't in the 114 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: right position. Players didn't make those plays. It weren't like 115 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: we were ill prepared. So I feel like it wasn't 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: that the coach did. We got to make plays on 117 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: these things. Sometimes it comes on up. 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: For ten years st almost. 119 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: I'm just saying for my time, I was, I thought 120 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: I could have players could have definitely did. 121 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Better, and then something go ahead and something else, as 122 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: you said, was that he said, Ben and I broke 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: the brotherhood first. Mike ca't my brother they my brothers. Okay. 124 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: I came back in twenty fourteen. It wasn't for him. 125 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: It was for Brett Keaesel who called me four o'clock 126 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: in the morning. Bro it was for Ike Taylor who 127 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: called me fresh out of surgery, Troy Polamalu. Not Mike 128 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: because he had already crossed me at the beginning of 129 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: that year. 130 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: Bro. 131 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: But for me the way Joy and Ben like like, 132 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: like we broke the brother You broke the brotherhood, Bro, 133 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: more than we did. You didn't even play under Mike. 134 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: You want a championship with men, You said it yourself. 135 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: But like as me and Joy talked, and like I said, 136 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: we talked that. Then I hung up on my boy. 137 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Joey was like, well, what's I said? Listen, Joey, I said, 138 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun, okay. 139 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And right there, Joy has a personal issue with being 140 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: and he was the rabbit with the gun. He took 141 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: his shot because he doesn't see Ben as a brother, okay. 142 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: And me personally, I do not think Ben is a 143 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: bad teammate, okay, because I have a good relationship with Ben, 144 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: you know. And I can say this because I talked 145 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: to men like this is not it's not yet. It's 146 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: not gonna be losing, okay, but seven seven seven could 147 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: be an ieso. That's fact, okay, yes, okay. And when 148 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: Ben came in. This man went thirteen and one as 149 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: a rookie. Okay, starter, the team was fifteen and one. 150 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: His second season, he won a Super Bowl, the youngest 151 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: quarterback to every do it twenty three and that's when 152 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: seven was born. Okay, he became the youngest quarterback to 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: ever win a Super Bowl. Hell yeah, let's go stroke 154 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: my ego and give me delusions of grandeur. But over 155 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: time he has matured and grown up. And you don't 156 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: value the same things you did at twenty three that 157 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: you do at thirty. Hell, I'm a different person at 158 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: forty seven than I was at forty five, and I'm 159 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: a far worst person at forty than I was at 160 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: forty five. So with that being said, Man, yes, it's 161 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: things that you see in the locker room, you heard 162 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: in the locker room, but it was never something that 163 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: we had an issue with that we couldn't correct with 164 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: each other. So the relationship with Ben, you know what 165 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying, is still intact for me, and right now 166 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: we are far better, greater friends, brothers now than we 167 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: ever were in the past, and that continues to Okay, yeah, easy, 168 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: that was just a pure attack on Ben's character and 169 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: what I said about Mike was an attack on his coaching. Dude, Okay, 170 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: two different things, and that's more breaking the brotherhood than 171 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: what Ben said. Ben said, I think I feel that 172 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: maybe Tomlin should move on, Like come on, bruh, that's 173 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: what he said. I went way harder than that, but 174 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: he went on it because he obviously has a personal 175 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: issue with Ben that hasn't been resolved. 176 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so let me get in there, let me get 177 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: in here. I actually spoke with both two. I spoke 178 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: the Big. 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: Bend and this morning when I was on the phone 180 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: with him, he was like. 181 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: This are you Are you and de Bo together because 182 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: he's calling me right now. So I'm like, no, we're 183 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: not together. We got a show coming up in a minute. 184 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: So I talked to Ben. Have a good relationship with Ben. 185 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: So first I'm gonna get on. I'm gonna get on 186 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: the Ben subject. Like you said, Debo, Big Ben has 187 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: been in the league for a very very long time, 188 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying. So, like you said, 189 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: when you first come in to the league when you're 190 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, you're completely different than when you 191 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: are by the time I got there. I got there 192 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: when it was ten years in Ben, and he said, 193 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: at the same time you grow, you do certain things. 194 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Everybody has different relationships. 195 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: With people, like you said, Ben can be an asshole. 196 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: You could bring up with if you wanted to certain 197 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: situations where you know what I'm saying, he was an 198 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: asshole and he knows he was an asshold a certain times. 199 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: So there's things like that. 200 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: So when we're saying like breaking the brotherhood or bond, 201 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: my thing is dudes like you, Joey Porter, that are 202 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: in the locker room that play for these teams. 203 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: We spend so much time together, you know what I'm. 204 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: Saying, or just in there in the locker room, it 205 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: means you know how this person acts, you know what 206 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: they do, you know what they get a little, how 207 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: they act, how they are around teammates, what they do 208 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: in the meeting rooms. So we know them a lot 209 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: more than everybody else would think that they be known. 210 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: So when we get done like now with the Steelers, 211 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: with you guys being out, say when Ben said what 212 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: Ben said, he feels like Coach t is being a 213 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: little lenient. I think it's time for him. His time 214 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: is up in Pittsburgh. For Joey Porter being there with 215 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Ben through that whole time, and then he feels like protecting. 216 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: Like when Ben's in there, nobody really says anything that 217 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: was good with the Steelers. When it's coming out now, 218 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: when guys are retired and people are bringing up things 219 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: that happen, there's relationships through this whole time when you 220 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: spent time with each other that happened. People don't really 221 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: some people don't like other people. Some people don't get along. 222 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: Some people do get along. But when you do get 223 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: out and you can start saying stuff like coach Tomlin 224 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: was your coach. When Joey Porter said that you were 225 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: three time pro bowler with coach Tomlin, is that like, 226 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: how does that make you feel? 227 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Like like he's. 228 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: Trying to feel like like the grade, Like Coach Tomlin 229 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: gave this to you. 230 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: That was just saying so he's saying it's cousin Tomlin. 231 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Tomlin came in and he headed over all day. The 232 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: good thing tom It did was keep that defensive staff intact. 233 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: He kept my linebacker coach, who is the person who 234 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: would work with me day in and day out. He 235 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: kept ridicular bow whose defense is still one of the 236 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: greatest defenses as long as it's played his way. Okay, 237 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: that is what I'm I'm giving the credit to he's saying, Well, 238 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: without him, that would not have happened. I understand what 239 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: he's saying. I see his reasoning. But again we're gonna 240 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: have to agree to disagree. Yeah, I can respect it. 241 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: We could respect it. 242 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: And I talked to PZ too, and like you said, 243 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: you can say that, and you can. That's that's how 244 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: you feel. You're You're correct to feel that way. But 245 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: the PZ at the same time is when he's saying 246 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: everything when you're in when you're in that locker room, 247 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: and at the same time with what Ben's been through 248 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: and when I got to that locker room debo too. 249 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: It is a people. You get treated a certain type 250 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: of way. Ben Pouncy myself, Cam you know what I'm saying. 251 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: It is a vets get to move around a certain 252 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: type of way. And if you don't like that, or 253 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: you if you rubbs you the wrong way, then people 254 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: are like everybody gets treated nobody. You get treated fairly, 255 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: but you don't get treated the same. And that's just 256 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: something that's just the way that it is. So I 257 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: could even say, like literally, that's the. 258 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: Way things move. 259 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: So when when when Ben speaks on that about leniency 260 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: with younger dudes that don't really have that or to. 261 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: Be able to be. Now you you're supposed to be. 262 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: Working harder, like you don't have that willing to be 263 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: like n you. 264 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: Want to say a lot of self annoying here, it's 265 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of self annoying. That's what I'm saying, sir, 266 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: You're my one, You're my two. I like you here. 267 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: That's what it is, and that's what was going on. 268 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. Where when you're in the 269 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: league for a long time and when it's Vets, when 270 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: it's you that's doing that, when it's Joey Porter that's 271 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: doing that at first, and Ben, he's a young dude 272 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: that's still like he might be winning championships as a 273 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: young dude growing doing things. 274 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: That he would regret, would take back. 275 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: When I met Ben, now he's been nothing but nice 276 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: to me because he's matured, he's married, he has his kids, 277 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: he's in his faith. Like that wasn't the same Ben 278 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and six. You know what I'm saying. 279 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: So I give him all the right. So people getting 280 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: with joy was there back in two thousand and six 281 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: when he was going outside, when Ben was probably doing 282 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: the same things Joey was doing, getting in fights. His 283 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: stuff was outside. Everybody knew what Joey was doing, but 284 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: Ben was doing things. It was tough. Everybody's protecting them. 285 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna say nothing on it. So P's at the 286 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: same time he can understand, like we could have been 287 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: acting like just like trying to bash you. There's things 288 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: that happened in your past and the times that we've 289 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: been there. We know we have a long relationship. I 290 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: played with you and I was a coach, and I 291 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: saw in the meeting room what you You ain't have 292 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: to show up for certain practices, but it's love because 293 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: you're Ben. 294 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 295 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: So there's just things that happen like that that is 296 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: in the code of like we're not going to say nothing. 297 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: But then I could respect with Ben. When I come 298 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: in there and you got vets moving around smooth, and 299 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: then you got younger dudes. It's a little lenient in 300 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: there where no, they don't deserve no extra. That's how 301 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: you can get like cracks. Little people don't know what's 302 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: going on. Because you're treating younger dudes that don't deserve 303 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: to be like ve's like vets, and that's what kind 304 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: of your locker room loses. 305 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. What it's really about, 306 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: it's about the. 307 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Vest is getting treated like that because they're gonna ball, 308 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: They're not gonna miss any assignments. 309 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: They're gonna know exactly what to do. They're gonna be 310 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: in their place. 311 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: They got kids, they got family, so they got they 312 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: moving in a certain way. When you're doing that to 313 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: the younger players, that's not your that's that's not your team. 314 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: Could be looking looking weak. So I can see where well, 315 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: I think that's what the shot. But then Joey Porter 316 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: is like, Bam, that's your coach. Coach Tomas been protecting you, 317 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: had your back, Oh this whole time. You don't be 318 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: the one to tell him he gotta leave and like 319 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: that stuff. He just wouldn't want like you putting out 320 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: family business when same time, whole time, that whole. 321 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: Not putting our family business. That's from the streets. 322 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Bro. 323 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: You want him to go on this podcast and. 324 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: Say no, no, no, no no, I'm just telling you 325 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: I feel you. 326 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm with that. 327 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying, well, what Ben saying for me, 328 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: coming from the outside looking in, that's what I would 329 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: have said, Like you can see the leniency part. I 330 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: think that if just a little like the vets, dudes 331 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: that don't deserve to be treated as vets being treated 332 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: like vets, I can say. 333 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: That that little wigger room, it was too much. 334 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: It was too much, a little blase that you gotta 335 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: be on it, you know what I'm saying. 336 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: The dudes like Pouncy deserves to have that because he's 337 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: gonna come. 338 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: He knows everything you gotta do off Wednesday practices. These 339 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: younger dudes know all the reps, know exactly what you 340 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: got to do extra reps, you know what I'm saying, 341 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: Like you don't. 342 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: You haven't put in the time to earn that. So 343 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: seeing it that way. 344 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: That's why I think Man did it, and I think 345 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: he was right to say that. And I think Joey 346 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: saying that the family business like just being you, you 347 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: shouldn't be the one to say that because every all 348 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: the stuff that you've been protected from. But still it's 349 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, it is to this, like 350 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: from outside looking at if you could see that. 351 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: You think the leniency is what's going on? Ben, He's 352 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna be on this podcast. Ask what I think it? 353 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: You know, said it might be the time. It's a 354 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: little lean in there. I think we like I said, 355 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but like you know, when 356 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: when it when when it comes down to it, I 357 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: think again it's a person with you. It wasn't It 358 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: wasn't about play And to be honest, like that was 359 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: something that happened what at the super Bowl and then 360 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: you know they splice and cut it up and and 361 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: send it out like I mean, that's something that could 362 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: have been just I think it could have been squashed 363 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: before it even got you know, it even got put 364 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: out like like especially with you know, with things going 365 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: on as they have been going on, like why even 366 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, why even why even put it out there. 367 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: But the one. 368 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: Good thing is too though that I like you, Like 369 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: you said, you talk to peas. 370 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: You talk to Ben. I talked to band, I talked. 371 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: To ps everybody you're you're able to at the end 372 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: of the day too, they like I know, these are 373 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: don't wanted to keep going. 374 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: They say their pieces. 375 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying everybody getting their stuff out. 376 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but for for me talking to to both now 377 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: both parties have a full understanding of what the issue is, 378 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: I will say that, and that's something that could be 379 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: communicated between them. I'll lead that where it's at this 380 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: because the last time I'm addressed this, you know we're 381 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: gonna move on to current coaches and current players and 382 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: keep it moving from there. Joe, So what we got 383 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: now is the largest coaching staff that the Steelers have had, 384 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: maybe in history. They said, Okay, how do you how 385 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: do you, Joe, how do you feel about the totality 386 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: of our coaching staff? And do you you like it? 387 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: You think it's a good thing or bad thing? That 388 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: is is more. 389 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: You can have a lot of good coaches, and you 390 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: can have a lot of bad coach I want to 391 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: have a lot of good coaches. 392 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: You can have a lot of. 393 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: People doing the wrong damn thing and it won't matter. 394 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: So I just want to make sure that we got 395 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: all of these right people. It's not wrong. I'm glad 396 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 2: that we have a lot of coaches now. Honestly, I 397 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: just need to make sure they're on the same page, 398 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: teaching the same mission, speaking the same language, there's no miscommunications. 399 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: I need to make sure the coaching staff is on 400 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: the same vibe because you can't be in the coaching 401 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: staff and come out of that meeting with you guys 402 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: as coaches and then try to divert to the players 403 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: the D line coach, the linebackers coach, and you be 404 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: speaking in different languages, and now we're all not on 405 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: the same page. So I'm just saying, if we go 406 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: from the top down and we're all speaking the same language, 407 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: we all the linebackers, the D line, the safeties, and 408 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: we're teaching good coaching, like we're coaching these dues up 409 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: eyeing the sky. Don't lie, you know what I'm saying. 410 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: We're really watching the tent. We're really watching the tape, 411 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: the first step, hand placement. We're to the fundamentals because 412 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: that's really what gets it done. All this athletic We're 413 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: going to get the job done for sure. But everybody 414 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: knowing these checks when motions are called, when we're in meetings, 415 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: meetings aren't quiet. There's nobody just not communication. When somebody 416 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: moves the check, check check, you're always talking. You're communicating. 417 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: It sounds like we know what's going on. So for me, 418 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: I like, I'm not mad at a lot of coaches, 419 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: but I need to make sure we have a lot 420 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: of people doing the right things, speaking the right languages 421 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: to the right people. So as long as they're on 422 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: the same page, on the same wavelength, and teaching them 423 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: and coaching them up the right way, I'm not mad 424 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: at it because you can now assort, you can, you 425 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: can divvy things out. 426 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: You got people to like. No, we need to cut 427 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: up on Joe. What'd you say, good thing or bad thing? 428 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: Once you picked one good thing? Good thing? I say 429 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: good thing, I say good Listen, now, listen, Joe, what 430 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: did I tell y'all was go do? When I became 431 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: head Coacht'll tell y'all do what you said. I was 432 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: gonna be less hands on head coach that you ever 433 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: saw in the history. Mm hm Okay, Okay. I was 434 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: to make show I got the best people for each position. Okay, 435 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: So that could free me up to do more management. Yes, 436 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: it was trying to micro manage. Okay. I love that. 437 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: I love that Mike McCarthy is doing this because it 438 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: shows no ego. Okay, I don't have I don't have 439 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: a desire to be the smartest person in the room, 440 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: or believe that I'm the smartest person in the room. 441 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: And I understand that if I am the smartest person 442 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: in the room, or believe that I have nowhere to grow, 443 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: I had no more to learn. And with him doing that, 444 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: he's giving other people input and opportunity to help as 445 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: a group, maybe come together with something that A has 446 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: thought about that B didn't think about, but C did 447 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: and it mingles together and it gives him a different 448 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: view opinion that could be something that a common nation 449 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: put together from different views. I love this. I believe 450 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a great approach. Like I told you, I 451 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: would be sitting there doing nothing but watching over top 452 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: and putting everybody in position that I know can get 453 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: my guys to buy into it. Joe Hayden, he's gonna 454 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: be my corners, Okay, Like I said, I'm gonna have 455 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have speaking the linebacker coach Spence as too 456 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: as too as too got him a job over there. 457 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: He got he got him, He got him what was 458 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: the outside inside linebacker, Yes, he got him a job 459 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: over there. And the chargers, he got one with the 460 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: chargers of the inside linebacker coach. Now what we what 461 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: were talking about? That is what I like to see. 462 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: How you do that? 463 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: You get a guy that doesn't do it, he don't 464 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 4: play a little bit. He understand it. You know what 465 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 4: I'm saying. You can, you can you can get some 466 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: buy in with that. I'm not saying he was just 467 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: great extravagant player. But he got he got, he got 468 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: some success under his belt. He got successful. You know, 469 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: I like it. I love it, Joe. 470 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: And when it comes down to it, they actually say, hey, Aaron, 471 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: you got a deadline? No man, Yeah, hey, you gotta 472 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: let us know something. 473 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 3: Boy? 474 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: The combine? Joe you what you I love that? Do 475 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: you want to see him back? Do you not want 476 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: to see him back? How you want to do it? 477 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Because they ain't about to let him drag it out 478 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: like he did last year. They gonna say, hey, you 479 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: tell us something. If you don't tell us nothing, I 480 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: guess we're gonna just move on. Joey, What did I 481 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: send you? Where did I send you? When as soon 482 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: as I saw the free agency? What did I send you? Joe? 483 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: You sending me? Malik? Who you send him? Elik? You 484 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: send him in? Elik Malik Malik. Willis yay, Hey what 485 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: you think, Joe, So. 486 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: No disrespect to a rod, But I'm telling you it's 487 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: a new new staff, new everything coming around. My only 488 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: thing is what we're gonna pay him, which we're gonna 489 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: pay Molak. I'm not mad at Malik. I'm not mad 490 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: at we give him a two two for forty? 491 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Can we get him for a two for forty? 492 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: Can we get him a two for forty twenty guaranteed 493 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: just for a try year, and then we got him 494 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: seeing what he then we're gonna see what he could do. 495 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: It's a competition. It's not gonna be a competition. 496 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: In between him and Will Howard because if we don't 497 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: get him, I'm liking Will and we got to bring 498 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: in somebody just for competition. But if we do get Mileak, 499 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: I like two for forty for show, just to see 500 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: what's up. 501 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: Twenty million if you can. 502 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: If we can get him for that solid twenty million guaranteed, 503 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: we got him for the one year twenty. If he 504 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: does good, we can keep him at the twenty for 505 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: the next year. We got him under contract, and then 506 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: he's definitely grossly underpaid. 507 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: Because you go get that, you're gonna have to put 508 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: some type of tail on that. I mean for sure. 509 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, look, two for four. I'm just letting you 510 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: know what I could what I could do. I can 511 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: give him two for forty right now for show. And 512 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't think David Miguel is taking that though. 513 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I like it. I like it on 514 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: proof with deal. But my thing is this, if I 515 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: knew what Will Howard could do, I would feel either 516 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: I would feel one way or another about it, stronger 517 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: versus you know the other. You know what he got 518 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: in game, high pressure competition in the playoffs, and he 519 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: did well, and he did well. And I don't know 520 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: what type of system Green Bay running over there compared 521 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: to what Mike McCarthy did and and and so on 522 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: and so forth, But if it's anywhere close, you got, 523 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: you got a dude that was over there doing it, 524 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: like come on, we gotta we gotta move on, We 525 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: gotta move on from from from Aaron. It's like like 526 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: they said, it's a band aid. It's a band aid. 527 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: Like it's a band aid, like we gotta we gotta 528 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: sink a swim and we gotta see, we gotta give 529 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: and everybody keeps saying, oh, no, Will, we don't give 530 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: him a chance. We drafted him, we let we let Mason. 531 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: Mason's out there. We know what's up. Give Will Howard 532 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: a chance. Let's see what at least what we got. 533 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: And then if we do take Maleak, he's gonna be 534 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: in a little two year deal. And if Will Howard 535 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: doesn't do what he has to do, we're eventually we 536 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: have money to put other places, and then we know 537 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: we're gonna have to get a quarterback. We may not 538 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: be that good maybe, and then we'll just be a 539 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: quarterback out and if we're not good, then we can 540 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: get drafted high and go get a high draft pick. 541 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: So I mean, don't do it with I mean, ay Rod, No, 542 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: we just we're on to the new. I like him 543 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: Elik for a little short term two for I don't 544 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: know if he's gonna take the twenty mel but if 545 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: he does take the twenty for the one, you know, 546 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: two for forty. If not, put Will in there. Let's 547 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: see what he can do. He's a big body. I 548 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 2: saw him at Ohio State. Everybody keeps saying, no, no, no, 549 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: give the man a chance, give him a line, give 550 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: him a run game. Don't make him do everything, give 551 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: him the Sam Darnold offense. 552 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just trying to figure out why we 553 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: didn't see him, Like I know he was hurt, but 554 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: like like how like all year, like we put in 555 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: who was it? Rudolph? Yeah, and we ain't you ain't 556 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: even give him a chance, like I don't. I don't 557 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: know that that makes me. It makes me a little 558 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: a little nervous man like. And with the fact that 559 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: you're still entertaining, sorry, entertaining you know, Aaron about what 560 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: he's going to do, makes me think that they may 561 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: know or have a you know, idea of what it 562 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: is or he can't do. 563 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: It's who you're familiar with, you know. Coach t was 564 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: familiar with Mason McCarthy's still gonna entertain a rob because 565 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: he coached him for a for a long time. 566 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl together. If you're already there, 567 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm coming in and like you're thinking about it, like 568 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm entertain you. 569 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna see what's u I'm gonna give you a 570 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: deadline though you know what I'm saying. 571 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: I gonna let you play with me too long. Yeah, 572 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: you got to you know what I'm saying, got to 573 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: you're not. 574 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: Just gonna disrespect that'll be disrespectful. 575 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: If he came in there. 576 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy was like, all right, he rob get out 577 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: of here, and we'd be like, dang, Like he wasn't 578 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: rocking bro for real. 579 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: So at least he give him a little time. We 580 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: didn't give him no deadline. 581 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: We was waiting. We were sitting there. Where's a rob. 582 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: At least we got a timeline. 583 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, listen, listen, I'm with signing. I ain't gonna 584 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: lie to you. Yeah, I just don't know sign him there. 585 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm with signing him if we got it. I don't know. 586 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: Something that triggers something else, if he starts, I don't know. 587 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: We got to figure something out like to where we 588 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: can we can get him if it works and still, 589 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, make it something that's that's going to be 590 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: attracted to him, you know, as comparison to what he 591 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: may be able to get out there, you know and 592 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: free bro, Yeah, like he's he's free. Free. That's a 593 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: hard that's a hard thing to you know, turn past 594 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, getting more money here or there, you know. 595 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: Especially it's the first time at the at the bucket too, 596 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: and this is yeah, he looking good. 597 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: He gonna max out. 598 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna have to spend that coin if we want them. 599 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, Like, how max out 600 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: is max out though? What you know, That's what I'm saying. 601 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: You know how max out is max out. We'll have 602 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: to figure that one out, dude, We figured that one out. Bro. 603 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if the thirty had thirty because the 604 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: top quarterbacks are making sixty fifty to sixty million dollars? 605 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: Are we going to do a thirty ball? Because my 606 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: two for forty is just just that's crazy. I'm stealing 607 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: from that young man. I shouldn't say that out loud. 608 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: Don't take the two for forty if I was Yeah, 609 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: I say if bad advice, Oh, I. 610 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Mean you got it. You got like I said, you 611 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: gotta go somewhere around around at three. Oh, you gotta 612 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: go somewhere around the three. Oh if you really want 613 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: to have a shot and then figure out how to 614 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: fan dangle it. You know what I'm saying to it, Yeah, 615 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. To get it to. 616 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: Agents looking for fifty, gotta be at least who is 617 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: the agent. 618 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: I know you gotta be looking for man, listen, agent 619 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: looking for all he can get. That that don't that, 620 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: that don't what you think you're gonna end up signing for. 621 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: That if he makes the free agency, what you think 622 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna sign for. I don't see him going for less 623 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: than thirty less than thirty, okay. I don't seen him 624 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: going for more than forty years agough okay, So yeah, okay, 625 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: so two for eighty. Yeah, like he got he got 626 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: some you know, he got hurt a little bit, you know, 627 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: got a little beat up there. So I don't know, 628 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, how how healthy is right now? I don't know, man. 629 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: I just I like I like having the idea of 630 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: having having a young guy in there that at least 631 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: we've seen in you know, real competition, in the stiffest 632 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: competition at that time, which is playoff time. So that's 633 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: something I like. Bro, if I got to spend it, like, 634 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me, let me go ahead 635 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: with him. I mean, if I don't have to, I 636 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: just if the will man, the will thing, the will 637 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: will hard thing, I just haven't I just anybody have 638 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: any idea. 639 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna let him, go give, give, get 640 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: him in a shot. He's a big body, and I 641 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: saw him. I mean he was throwing that thing to 642 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith. I will never forget that was him, so 643 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: he could throw the fade ball, big body. We got 644 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: a coach in here. You know what I'm saying, Like, 645 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: mechanics look good. What do we You gotta show me 646 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: that he can't do? Itive Give him a shot literally, 647 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: like he's not small. 648 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: I got yeah, yeah, I'm giving a shot. But that's 649 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, why haven't they even get that? Why? Comfortable? Comfortable? 650 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: Comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, everybody comfortable. Mason Rudolph was just you 651 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: knew what you were gonna get. 652 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: You think you're funny, You think you're funny. 653 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: Bruh oh, yes, sir, because I know, because I know 654 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: exactly the speaking of coaching staffs, think I put this 655 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: one in here because I found. 656 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: I found because first. 657 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: Of all, you know, likeness, people like people that look 658 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: like them. 659 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 660 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just familiar familiarities. That familiarities is what they 661 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: like to call it. So I know, the perfect staff 662 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: for you, not the Steelers, not the Browns, the ball 663 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: Head staff Team Chrome Dome the Tennessee Titans. Just take 664 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 2: your hat off, Debo, and then put your and then 665 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: put his head right next to a coach right there, 666 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: my good brother in the middle, and that's Debo inside 667 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: linebackers coach for the Tennessee Titans. 668 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Team Chrome Dom team ball head. Bro that's crazy, crazy right, yeah, 669 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: thank you, team. We threw this one. They here. You 670 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: ain't even see it. That's crazy. That man got a 671 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: ball head. 672 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: But guess what, man, No, no disrespect to the ball 673 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: heads everybody. 674 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm eventually gonna I'm eventually 675 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm eventually gonna go. I'm holding on. I'm 676 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: holding on strong. I just got the low fade today, but. 677 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: Uh I still got hair and you don't, and neither 678 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 2: do the coaches for the Titans. And you are gonna 679 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 2: fil perfectly as the linebackers coach Debo Robert, Hey give 680 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 2: give you'll need y'all. 681 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: Y'all need a y'all need a strength and condition to coach. 682 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: Baby ballhead ballhead. That man. 683 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: That actually crazy. So many ball heads. They changed the 684 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 2: logo to a ball head. They took the flame off 685 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 2: the logo debot. 686 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: B. Yeah you stop. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, 687 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: you gotta see. You got to see it. Took the 688 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: flame off the logo team. He took the flame off 689 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: the logo. I promise you they did. They ain't took 690 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: the flame off they did that just made up. That 691 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: was the first that AI. It's a I. It's a I. 692 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: If I see that, if I see that, it's a problem, 693 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: I better not see that. I better not see that. 694 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: I promise you, I better not. I better not see that.