1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can I am six forty you're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. John Cobelt Show. Now 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: we're back on from three to six, three to six, 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: so you'll be there. Conway's on from six to ten 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: and welcome the new show in the lineup, Monks and 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Merrill from noon to three, but we're here three to six. 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: If you miss stuff. Podcast is released just after six o'clock. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. We 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: have been chronicling all the destruction of the oil and 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: gas industry here in California because of Gavin Newsom's stupid policies, 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: and we've been spending a lot of time on the 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: threat that the gas can increase dramatically to six seven 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: eight dollars a gallon because there are two new refineries 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: that have shut down in recent months. And that's the 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: that is the refinery in Carson by Philip sixty six, 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: and then there's another refinery just a couple of weeks 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: ago that's shut down in Benetia in northern California by Valera. 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk now with stan Ellis and 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: he is a businessman, farmer, grew up in the Central Valley. 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: We'll actually grow grew up in South Dakota and spent 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: spent a lot of his life in the Central Valley, 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: and he has worked in the oil industry. And he's 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about this, this emergency situation. Stan. Welcome again. 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: How are you well? 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Great, John, Thanks for having me on today. 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: We we're really near or in a crisis, aren't we. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: This is this is not hype. We have Michael Machey 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: on frequently, and we had another gentleman, Mike Ariza on 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: and they say, this is this, this is going to 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: be bad with these refineries shutting down. What do you think? 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: Well, so, first of all, I've learned a lot long 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: time ago that that honesty and hard work always wins, right, 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: So I have nothing to gain or lose by this. 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: I don't care about popularity. I don't care about any 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: of that crap, neither this miss and reason. So we're 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: we're talking. We got to meet each other and uh 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: Vlearo's gonna shut down. And I'm on the way out 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: to Channel Lake for a for a meeting, and I'm thinking, 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: holy cow, Valero is supplying one hundred percent of the 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: jet fuilld to Travis Air Force Base. What are they 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: gonna do with jet? What are they going to get 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: the jet fuel? And Vlaro shuts down and it's it's 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: piped out there, and then I'm thinking about So I 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: asked the folks at China Lake, the commanders as well 45 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: as classified. I can't tell you, but we've burnt a 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: lot of fuel. Then you find out that that Nevada 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: getting like ninety percent of their fuel from gas, diesel, 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: jet fuel from California assignments. And we have forty two bases. 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: So the three of us started doing some and I 50 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: have to Professor Misch did a heck of a job 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: putting the numbers together. And all of a sudden, after 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: Valero shuts down, we're actually importing forty forty Think about this, 53 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: forty percent of our gas, diesel and jet fuel from 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: South Korea and India and Singapore. And guess where India 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: gets forty percent of their crew from Russia. You cannot 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: tell me that this is a matter of national security. 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what if another refinery has a 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: turnaround and we cut down on that production, gets what 59 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: the price of gas is in to skywrocket. So I'm 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: really I'm seriously concerned for myself and all of my 61 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: constituents and all of the folks in California. I am seriously, 62 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm really worried. I don't know what we're going to do. 63 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: There seems to be very little talk from the politicians 64 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: who can cotrol these policies and assess all these taxes. 65 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: There's nothing out of Newsom's office about this. So the 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: legislature and this is this is a major emergency that's coming. 67 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I was told that our data, you know, 68 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: wasn't that accurate. Well, anybody can get the data. Refinery 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: shut down, that's a fact. So I will tell you 70 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: their policies are driving us into unaffordability and it's getting worse. 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: And I'm I'm telling you we're on the verge of 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: a shortage and the price of gas going through the 73 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: rest and I don't want to go through gas lines. 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: Back back in the day when I used to sit 75 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: in the gas line, it's no fun. 76 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: Well, if we're down to six refineries for gas, and 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: the main pipeline for oil has shut down because of 78 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: a lack of oil, and now we're importing oil from 79 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: all over the world, that's getting refined in the Bahamas 80 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: and then sent down through the Panama Canal up here. 81 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: God goes what that transportation cost is. I read there's 82 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: one hundred trucks a day, tanker trucks now delivering the 83 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: oil to gas refineries from south to northern California. I mean, 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: all that is clear. I mean you could see the trucks, 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: you can see the tankers. This is all real. It's 86 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: going on. The pipeline really has spidered out. 87 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: It has it has the pipelines down, the refinery is down. 88 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: So then then you come to and look, this was 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: all driven by a greenhouse gas agenda. So let's go 90 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: let's all go green. But there's also a little thing 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: called cap and trade. It's all on all industries that 92 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: burn natural gas, and when that comes out of the stack, 93 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: they put out carbon monoxide, nigrous oxides, and so so 94 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: they these these manufacturers pay by the ton of emissions. 95 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Some of these people, refiners are paying over a hundred 96 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: million dollars a year. You can't stay in business. You 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: cannot stand business. I don't blame Valero for shutting down. 98 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: That. 99 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: You cannot afford to stand business in this state. Why 100 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: do you think they're leaving. That's why you think the 101 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: other one. We had forty used to have forty refineries. 102 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Now we're down to seven, and it could get worse. 103 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: But that was the design. That's what they wanted to 104 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: do exactly right. And they were mandating electric cars, except 105 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to buy them. They never built an electrical grid. 106 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: They don't have electric charging stations in any great numbers. 107 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna end up confined in our homes 108 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: if they have their way. 109 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: Don't you love driving an electrical vehicle that you've got 110 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: to drive one hundred and twenty two thousand miles before 111 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: it comes becomes carbon neutral? Well that's a farce. 112 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Well, just what I'm saying. The whole thing's a scam. 113 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: The atmosphere has not been lowered by even a tenth 114 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: of a degree, and it's not going to be. None 115 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: of this has worked out. 116 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, it has not worked out at all. We're 117 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: on a we're we're failing, and and guess what, the 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: consumer once again is going to get stuck with the 119 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: bill just because of poor policy. 120 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean, are they if you weren't going to if 121 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: you were going to intentionally try to ruin the California 122 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: economy in our way of life, what would you do differently? 123 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: I'll tell you how. There's a solution. Okay, there's a 124 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: solution to our oil and gas agenda. And unfortunately, our 125 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: our green environmentalists are may stop this from happening, but 126 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: they have become so green and so environmentally concerned that 127 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: they think that that pollution comes from the oil well, 128 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: and it comes from UH refining, and it comes gets 129 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: what most of it comes out of the tailpipe. So 130 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: I say to you, Dreenes, if you don't like greenhouse 131 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: gas emissions, don't drive, don't ride a bicycle that has 132 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: rubber tires. And guess what, don't part doesn't matter. They've ruined, 133 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: They've ruined our state. Now there is a balance, There 134 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: is a balance. We went from ninety nine point nine 135 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: nine in emissions to ninety nine point nine. That cost billions. 136 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: If we relaxed out a little bit, we took some 137 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: of the regulations off of oil and gas drilling, We 138 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: brought in offshore because we're produced. We're we're bringing in 139 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: a million barrels a day of crude right now. So 140 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: if we got to drilling in the next two or 141 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: three years. We could catch up and we could do okay, 142 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: but we have got to keep those refineries open because 143 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: there's no sense producing crude if you can't refined. 144 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Stan Allis, thanks for coming on with us. 145 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: No, thank you very much for bringing awareness to this. 146 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: We'll talk again. Stan Allis. He's an assemblyman in the 147 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: Central Valley area in Current County. 148 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 149 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: six forty. 150 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Coming up after four point thirty. Steve Hilton is now 151 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: clearly in the lead for governor. We're three and a 152 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: half months away from the primary on June the second. 153 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: He's the Republican and he has been on our show 154 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: a number of times and he is. Chad Bianco is 155 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: in second place. Is that right? And the leading Democrat 156 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: is Eric Swalwell, who is Congressman Northern California who got 157 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: kicked off the Intelligence Committee for having a Chinese spy 158 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: on his staff. All he's another one of these guys. 159 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: Just all he does is bellow about Trump. When we 160 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: come back after Deborah's News, We're going to play you 161 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: an interview that he did with CBS two reporter Julie 162 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Watts up in northern California and you you are not 163 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: going to believe the things he says. And he is fully, 164 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: fully in line with Gavin Newsom in a way that 165 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: may make you gag. So we'll play that coming up. 166 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: You know what, I do want to play here because 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: we just had We just had Stan Allison. He's an assemblyman, 168 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: he's been involved in the oil industry, and I don't 169 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: think people really understand what we might be in for 170 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: in the coming months and years because it's it's just mathematics. 171 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: You cannot keep cutting the refineries the way we're cutting, 172 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: and you start importing all this oil from all over 173 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: the world. One thing goes wrong with a ship and 174 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: we are really going to be in deep doo doo. 175 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: And the thing is for the people who think this 176 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: is cool because of global warming, we are using oil 177 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: from countries that have no standards at all, and we're 178 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: using the same amount of oil here in California that 179 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: we always have, so it's the same oil. And by 180 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: the way, we don't have our own private atmosphere. The 181 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: whole world is using way more oil and gas than 182 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: they ever had before. All that air is coming over us. 183 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: We've had no effect all we've done is cost ourselves 184 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of money. We've got gasoline that's four 185 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: fifty to five dollars a gallon, and we have electricity 186 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: prices that are double the rest of the nation. But 187 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: this greenhouse nonsense has been around for it looks like 188 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: at least forty three years. Somebody online dug up a 189 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: report that CBS News did in nineteen eighties two. You'll 190 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: hear Dan Rather was the anchor about the greenhouse effect, 191 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: and they make a wild prediction about Florida that I 192 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: hate to spoil. It never came true. 193 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 5: Lake cut one concern about rising temperatures on plattered Earth's 194 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: heated up a hearing here in Washington today. For years, 195 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 5: scientists have theorized about the dangers of the so called 196 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 5: greenhouse effect, the warming of the Earth's atmosphere due to 197 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 5: the burning of coal and oil, and in recent months, 198 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: as David Cohane reports, research has uncovered facts to support 199 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 5: that theory. 200 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 6: Many scientists claim that the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere 201 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 6: has been rising over the past one hundred years, that 202 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 6: the great sheets of pack ice in Antarctica are melting 203 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 6: at a much more rapid rate than previously. Finally, that 204 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 6: the sea level has been rising with increasing swiftness over the. 205 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: Past forty years. 206 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 6: If these scientists are correct, about twenty five percent of 207 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 6: Florida would be flooded, along with low lying areas all 208 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 6: over the world. Climate changes could produce widespread disruption of agriculture. 209 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 6: The American farm belt might be too dry and the 210 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 6: wheat and corn crops would have to move to Canada. 211 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 6: Scientists blame the odorless, colorless carbon dioxide gas for these 212 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 6: potentially dangerous changes around the planet. 213 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: It is the greenhouse effect. 214 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 6: The gas allows sunlight to filter down and warm the earth, 215 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 6: but like the glass of a greenhouse, the carbon dioxide 216 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 6: tends to trap heat so that it cannot rise into space. 217 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 7: The scientists maintain. 218 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 6: That the coal, oil, and gas we've been. 219 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Burning for one hundred years. 220 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 6: Have produced more and more carbon dioxide and helped overheat 221 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 6: the Earth. Now some political leaders endorse the demands for 222 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 6: more CO two monitoring stations like this one in Hawaii, 223 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 6: and they share the anger of the scientists that Reagan 224 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 6: administration budget cuts at a time when they feel closer 225 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 6: to getting definitive. 226 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 7: Answers, we are not doing the kind of research that 227 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 7: we should be doing to determine whether or not these 228 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 7: scientists who are so alarmed are correct in their assessment. 229 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 6: They find out will affect the lives and fortunes of 230 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 6: millions of people, the very survival of cities like this 231 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 6: one David Kahne's CBS News New. 232 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: York forty three years ago. That reporter thought New York 233 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: City had a chance of not surviving because of a 234 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: rising sea levels, and shockingly, it's still around. Its greatest 235 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: threat is their communist mayor. Twenty five percent of Florida 236 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: would disappear under water, And on television there was a 237 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: graphic that showed Florida shrinking, all the water moving in 238 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: from all sides, leaving just you know, a much more 239 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: narrow slip of land, the corn crop moving to Canada. 240 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Al Gore. He was insane forty three by none of 241 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: this happened. None of this happened. And to find this 242 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of hysterical reporting on a main news network that 243 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: was far more important in nineteen eighty two than it 244 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: is now, and to see that they swung and whiffed 245 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: on all these points, well, we come back, by the 246 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: way I told you, the climate in California we had 247 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: an expert on yesterday's researched It has not changed a 248 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: wit in the last hundred years. Same temperature, same same rainfall, 249 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: same humidity, hasn't changed at all in the last hundred years. 250 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI AM 251 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: six forty. 252 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: There's a new poll up by Emerson, says Steve Hilton. 253 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: The Republican is leading the race for governor, and it 254 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: is possible that you could end up with two Republicans 255 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: at the top of the leader board because there's two 256 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Republicans running and there's seven Democrats, and the Democrats none 257 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: of them are very popular, and they're splintering the vote, 258 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: and it's top two on June the second in the primary. 259 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: They go on to November. Now, I'm assuming that some 260 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: of those people are are going to drop out, but 261 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: if they don't, you'd end up with two Republicans the 262 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: way things are going now. Who is the leading Democrat. Well, 263 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: it's Eric Swalwell, who's famous for getting kicked off the 264 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: House Intelligence Committee because he had a Chinese spy who 265 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: is an AID in his office and some think she 266 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: was more than just an aid. He's only also only 267 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: known for constantly carping about Trump. I have not seen 268 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: what else he brings. And Julie Watts is the CBS 269 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: two reporter up in northern California who interviewed Katie Porter, 270 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: and that's when Katie Porter had her big meltdown. It's 271 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: amazing when Julie Wick, Julie Watts is capable of Because 272 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell, I haven't heard this yet, I'm told it's 273 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: really good, so we're just going to play it. This 274 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: is Swawhel telling Julie Watts that there's no better protector 275 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: that we have than Gavin Newsom. 276 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 8: There's no person in any other state who is better 277 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 8: protected by their governor than Californian's protected by governors like 278 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 8: we have a protector right now, as the president states, 279 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 8: the President of the United States has put troops in 280 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 8: our streets. He's chasing migrants to the fields and the 281 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 8: factories where they work. He is taking away federal research 282 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 8: dollars that help us find cures for cancer. And our 283 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 8: governor is a show not tell governor that protector spirit 284 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 8: of his. We're all better off because of it, and 285 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 8: other governors could probably learn and model it. 286 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: That protector's spirit. He's protected us. I'm not an illegal alien. 287 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: I have been running through the field being chased by 288 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: Ice agents. The military was here to deal with the 289 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: riots that these nonprofit groups that Newsome helped finance, and 290 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: that Karen Bass called on to create all the mayhem. 291 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: That's what we needed the military for because our local 292 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: law enforcement wasn't allowed to enforce the law a protector. 293 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: Let's play cut three here more on Julie Watts. 294 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: What do you think was a misstep of governors now? 295 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't accept the premise that there is 296 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 8: like missteps. I think she's put some down payments For 297 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 8: me as a sports guy, everything's a sports analogy. I 298 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 8: think he's gotten us pretty far down the field on 299 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 8: mental health with what he did on prop one and 300 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 8: also on housing. And it's my job now to get 301 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 8: us across the goal line. And so that's what I'm 302 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 8: gonna do on mental health, is to continue to spaned 303 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 8: mental health services. Understand the difference. 304 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: We've been stopped stop the homeless population has increased. His 305 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: care court has been a total bust, a massive waste 306 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: of money. Tens of billions of dollars in homeless money 307 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: has disappeared that that he can't account for. There have 308 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: been no missteps mental health services to swallow. Drive around 309 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: the streets of Los Angeles ever, or San Francisco or 310 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: Sacramento and see all the lunatics running around, menacing, whacked 311 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: out on meth, whacked out on cocaine, whacked out on 312 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: fentanyl and heroin and heroin. What the hell is he 313 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: talking about? He must be on something. 314 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 8: H play some more, understand the difference between you know, 315 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 8: the severely mentally ill and the severely addicted, and that 316 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 8: they need different treatment than folks who are in transition. 317 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 8: And then on housing, I'm gonna put more shot clocks 318 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 8: in place. I like what he did in Altadena and 319 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 8: the Palisades. I want to have in every county, all 320 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 8: fifty eight counties. Is what the governor did. Put a 321 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 8: ninety day shot clock, tell those agencies ninety days to 322 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 8: approve or deny every outstanding housing application. 323 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 3: Well, so you're saying that you don't think there's anything 324 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: that Gavin Newsom did wrong. 325 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 8: I'm saying we will do things differently, but right now, 326 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 8: Californians are pretty lucky to have Gavin Newsom as the 327 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 8: protector that. 328 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: He is well, I have to ask you, is he 329 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: endorsing you? 330 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: Is this? 331 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 8: I mean, listen, you're honestly the. 332 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: First person who sat here and has not been able 333 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: to say one thing that Gavin Newsom did wrong. You 334 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: know the reason we asked this question is because I 335 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: think it really is telling. How is this next governor 336 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: going to support the good and the bad? Or is 337 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: he going to say yes, this is this is something 338 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: that I wouldn't have done or I would have done differently. 339 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: Is there anything you would have done differently than Governor? 340 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 341 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 8: I think what he did in the Palisades and Alta 342 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 8: Dina is something I'm going to do in all fifty 343 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 8: eight counties to expedite. 344 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: Burn it down. Okay, he's gonna burn down all fifty 345 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: eight counties. What Dell's he's talking? It was gn Kevin 346 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: knew some wide what he said. He put CalFire engines 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: in deployment in all the fire zones here in Los Angeles, 348 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: he lied, He put nothing. There were no fire engines here. 349 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: His Department of Park and Rex kicked the LA Fire 350 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: Department off the Lockman fire before it was put out 351 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: because they were trampling the milkweed plants. What the hell 352 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: is he smoking? What is he ingesting? That is the 353 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: craziest thing I ever heard. This is the way Kamala 354 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: Harris was kissing kissing Biden's ass. Wouldn't do anything different. 355 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: Everything seems he's a protector. He destroyed the oil and 356 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: gas industry. Gas around the country goes for two dollars 357 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: and ninety one a gallon, ninety one cents a gallon here, 358 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: it's it's four fifty to five bucks. That's all Gavin Newsom. 359 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: What did he protect us from? Electricity is eighteen cents 360 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: of kellawater around the country, it's thirty two cents here, 361 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: that's about double. What did he protect us from? He 362 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: blew thirty two billion dollars on unemployment money through fraud. 363 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: What did he protect us from? 364 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: There? 365 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: Blew twenty four billion on homeless Oh and let's get 366 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: the high speed rail. That's another seventeen billion. How were 367 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: we protected there? Homelessness went up under Gavin Newsom. I 368 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: believe it's up about fourteen percent since he took office. 369 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Play cut four. 370 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 8: What about the legislature, you know Center of Wiener Assembly member, 371 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 8: which they have done great things on secul reform and 372 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 8: you know, local control. 373 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: As it relates to state issues. 374 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 8: What I want to do, you know, is diversify like 375 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 8: where we are getting revenue, and there's a lot of 376 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 8: reliance on tech ai and by the way, we are a. 377 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: Tech ai capital of the world. 378 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 8: We also know and I've been around long enough, and 379 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 8: I saw this in the Bay Area in the nineties, 380 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 8: that back and go south. And so what I want 381 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 8: to do is diversify how we find revenue. 382 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: I mean tax everybody else's leading Democratic candidate? Wow, is 383 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: he delusional? Cheesy the reporter of shocks. I had never 384 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: heard anybody say all these nice, nice things about Newsham, 385 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: not one bad thing, not one critique. Yesterday it came 386 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: out that Newsom is in more disfavor than favor in California. 387 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: His discapproval rating is now at forty five percent, is 388 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: approve of rings at forty four. But I guess the 389 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: rest of us are just crazy. 390 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM sixty. 391 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: I still am stunned. I still have whiplash listening there. 392 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell claimed that Gavin Newsom is the best protector 393 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: that the state could have, and he's done so much 394 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't change anything. The reporter Julie Watts was stunned, 395 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: saying he was the first person not to say anything 396 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: negative about Gavin Newsom. So I thought I'd give you 397 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: a rundown of what. Eric Swalwell, who is a congressman 398 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: as the leading Democratic candidate for governor California, is number 399 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: one in income tax, number one in gas tax, number 400 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: one in sales tax, number one in gas prices, number 401 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: one in electricity prices. Number one in homelessness. We have 402 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: almost half of the street homeless in the country. Number 403 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: one in poverty, number one in unemployment, number one in inflation, 404 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: number one in budget deficit, number one in retail theft, 405 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: number one most citizens leaving the state. We were numbermber 406 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: one in COVID mandates, number one in COVID school closures, 407 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: number one in COVID business closures, number one in illegal aliens, 408 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: number one in illiteracy. Three hundred and fifty companies have 409 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: left California. We have the highest housing costs, the highest 410 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: rental costs in the country, in addition to having sixteen 411 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: thousand homes and buildings burned down in all the fires. 412 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: Because Gavin Newsom didn't send any state firefighters, didn't deploy 413 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: them at all into the fire regions here in Los Angeles. 414 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: And Eric Swallow was swooning, I'm completely flabbergasted by the 415 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: people running for office in this state. Absolutely and a 416 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: protector from Trump. Kevin Newsom has been here eight years. 417 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: Everything I just listed is under his watch. From his decisions. 418 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: He has driven out the gas and oil industry with 419 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: excessive taxes, of excessive regulations. Gas is two ninety one 420 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: in the rest of the country. Trump's got record amounts 421 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: of oil and gas being pumped out of the ground, 422 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: record amounts. That's why, again the prices are so low. 423 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: And here Newsom slaps on about two bucks worth of 424 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: gases and gas taxes and regulations. The gas price in 425 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's down to two twenty nine. Trump's the president in 426 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: Oklahoma too. These people they're insane, They speak nonsense. But 427 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: what's really really just I'm flabbergasted, is they have a following. 428 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: He gets like twelve percent of the he's the leading Democrat. 429 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Eric Swallall gets the following. Trump looks go over the border, 430 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: go to other states. We have all we have. We 431 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: have the worst roads. You'll see the roads get nice 432 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: real fast once you cross the California border. There isn't 433 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: a category left that Newsome can't destroy every category that 434 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: we need success in in order to have a good life. 435 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: Everything's been destroyed, and Swawa has no criticisms at all. Boy, 436 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to see him in Steve Hilton. That would 437 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: be an exciting matchup. Then we'll find out really how 438 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: truly insane this state is, or maybe how hopeless it is. 439 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: All right, we come back. The Palisades fire victims won 440 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: another major court decision. Roger Bailey, one of the lead attorneys, 441 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: is going to come on and explain it to us. 442 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: They've had two big wins in recent days. Deborah Mark 443 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: is live in the KFI twenty for our newsroom. You've 444 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: been listening to the John Cobelt Show podcast. 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