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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's such a

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Speaker 1: hard star.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen Kilgera.

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Speaker 3: This is a.

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Speaker 1: Podcast where we started out talking about true crime. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a bit lucy goosey.

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Speaker 2: Would you say it's devolved? Yes, in some ways.

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Speaker 1: I think it's devolved terribly Yes, I mean terribly well

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Speaker 1: de evolution.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's just go for.

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Speaker 1: It, let it go.

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Speaker 4: We are devote, No, we're not. We are not devote.

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Speaker 4: It's my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: We're a podcast, but we're also on TV.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And we know how fucking weird that is

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 1: It's weird for all of us.

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Speaker 2: It's weird for me.

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Speaker 4: I finally watched a little bit of When I was Alone,

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Speaker 4: which is always a bad thing, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: let's just see how we look. And I turned it

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Speaker 4: on and I immediately went to the internet and bought

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Speaker 4: a posture like harness.

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Speaker 1: That looks like does it hook to the back wall? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It just keeps you up.

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Speaker 2: It's like a dog, like a dog hardness.

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Speaker 1: Like a dog being washed.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, I fucking can't even. And I

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Speaker 4: also got a new hairdresser.

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Speaker 1: We're podcasters at heart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder what it's going to be like in

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Speaker 4: the next few years with podcasting and video, like you

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Speaker 2: I know the kids.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like or then the alt people will stay

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Speaker 1: audio only. They will moralize about it, like it's better

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Speaker 1: and you're a better person because of it, right whatever

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Speaker 2: Now we don't have any opinion. We're just being told

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Speaker 2: what to fucking do by big.

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Speaker 4: Podcast by big podcasting, and you know how much we

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Speaker 4: love follow rules.

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Speaker 1: Well, and also it's we want to be up with

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Speaker 1: the times. Yeah, doing what the kids do.

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Speaker 2: And it's fun. I think can tell you watch yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's fun and great. As long as you don't watch us.

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Speaker 1: Just don't look for.

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Speaker 4: End it's not happening. Do you have anything anything good?

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Speaker 4: Anything bad?

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Speaker 2: Are you reading that brook burnout that I gave you

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Speaker 1: I'm too tired out handed to you and you're like, here,

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Speaker 1: someone do something. I do have some good news and

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Speaker 1: it's a true crime update. Start doing those again. Love

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Speaker 1: that fun, but this one's huge. The Gilgo Beach serial

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Speaker 1: killer has been terrorizing that part of the East Coast forever.

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Speaker 1: I mean it feels like since the nineties. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe Flate eight really caught him. Those are so satisfying.

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Speaker 1: They caught him. It's amazing they caught him and he

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Speaker 1: pled guilty.

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Speaker 2: Incredible.

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Speaker 1: There's not going to be a trial. He has been

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Speaker 1: formally charged with the murders of seven women, Megan Waterman,

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Speaker 1: and Sondra Caristia. And he also admitted to killing an

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so thankfully those families aren't going to be put

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Speaker 4: through that trial. Like what a fucking monster thing to

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's the best news in the worst

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Speaker 1: situation possible. There's a quote from the Suffolk County District

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Speaker 1: Attorney Ray Tyranny, though, and he said, quote, this case

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Speaker 1: closes and another opens, there are still bodies on that beach.

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Speaker 1: There are still bodies in Suffolk County. There's no rest

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Speaker 4: And then there's also some Ted Bundy news what's the

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Speaker 4: Ted Bundy news. Oh so, a victim of Ted Bundy's

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Speaker 4: that's been suspected since the beginning. In nineteen seventy four,

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Speaker 4: the body of seventeen year old Laura and Amy was

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Speaker 4: found by hikers in Utah's American Fork Canyon.

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Speaker 2: She'd last been seen months.

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Speaker 4: Earlier, leaving a Halloween party in Utah County, where he

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. He was going to become a lawyer, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And just before his execution, Ted Bundy admitted to murdering her,

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Speaker 4: Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith said they are officially closing

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I get give her her fucking respect,

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Speaker 1: Do It's been such a long time. I think that

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't matter anymore, but it's like it does. We're

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Speaker 1: Good news and the bad news.

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Speaker 4: Totally good news in true crime world, Like that's you're

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Speaker 4: not going to get a fucking Lisa Franks stationary no moment.

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Speaker 1: That's not what they do there. That's not what we

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Speaker 2: True crime News.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes we eat weird flavored jelly beans.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yeah, that's something else to look forward to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we find out about them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about tell us in the comments, guys.

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Speaker 1: But you're saying KFC is making jelly bean.

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Speaker 4: My sister sent me a photo of a bag that

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Speaker 2: I think we're corn nibletz right, No one orders that, dude.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's like watery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so watery, just like my mother's cooking dried chicken.

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Speaker 2: Vince made funeral potatoes the other day.

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Speaker 1: Oh were they good?

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Speaker 4: weak spot. Yeah, all lead based and everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you love lead, love lead. It's so delicious.

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Speaker 4: Lick it like I licked mercury as a child, and

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Speaker 4: here I am today.

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Speaker 1: Look look at you. Didn't hurt you medically video podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are a result of mercury poisoning. Two camera, two camera.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine. I don't have a uterus anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. Who needs it?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Should we talk about this network because things are happening

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. We have a podcast network called Exactly Right Media.

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Speaker 1: It's been quite a week. We are still celebrating our

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Speaker 1: newest addition to the arm family, our friend Jake Brennan

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Speaker 1: and his true crime music podcast, Disgraceland, is here on ERM.

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Speaker 1: don't know her, she's a legendary eighties icon. Her life

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Speaker 4: And then over on Bananas, Kurt and Scottie are joined

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Speaker 4: by Pooja Maifa. They cover octopuses getting extra cuddly on ecstasy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an incredible gift. Imagine that to not reburn

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Speaker 4: It's the wee hours of Saturday, April first, two thousand

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Speaker 4: when they're scheduled to leave for their trip to Miami.

443
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 4: From what I've read, Alexis is just like he's something

444
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 4: happened to his phone. I'm just you know, everything's going

445
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 4: to be fine. I'm just going to meet him at

446
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 4: the airport. I bet that's what's happening. So she goes

447
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,679
Speaker 4: to the airport and he doesn't show up and he

448
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 4: misses his flight, and that's when Alexis and Brian's father

449
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 4: contact the Columbus Police and a missing person's case is opened.

450
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: What a horrible just seeing there waiting.

451
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: To see us sitting there, like, because you get that thing,

452
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: you know in the very much much much smaller version

453
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: where you're kind of like, no, it's like it's all

454
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: just going to come together and it's just going to work,

455
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: and this will be this is the final chance for

456
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: him to He'll just get out of a car and

457
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: here we go on vacation.

458
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 4: He'll be an explanation and we get a move on,

459
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 4: and you're just waiting with like kind of in the

460
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 4: back of your head knowing that it's not.

461
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: Going to have it's not realistic.

462
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

463
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 4: So Brian's dad, Randy, goes over to Brian's apartment. Nothing

464
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 4: seems out of place, his bed is made, his books,

465
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 4: textbooks are all there. Police find the Brian's bank account

466
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 4: and credit cards are untouched. You know, there's a course

467
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: in the beginning, people are like, he must have just

468
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 4: taken off on his own, and there's that trip to Miami,

469
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 4: Like maybe he just like fucking left town was there already, right, So,

470
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 4: very early into the investigation, police get that surveillance footage

471
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 4: from outside the ugly Tuna Saluna. God, I don't want

472
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 4: to say that anymore. Yeah, but it doesn't answer any questions.

473
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 4: He just appears that he just disappears into thin air.

474
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 4: There are other ways out of the building. One of

475
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 4: them they don't really make sense. One of them is

476
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 4: like a back door and I think there is a

477
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 4: video footage of that, but he's not in it. And

478
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 4: then one is like the building was under construction, so

479
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 4: there is a service door leading down to a construction

480
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 4: site outside of the building.

481
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: That exit is covered with plywood.

482
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 4: You kind of have to climb down through a shaft,

483
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: Like why would he go that way?

484
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: But if he's super drunk and he could have fallen

485
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: or some you know, an accident, totally I don't know.

486
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 4: So he could have possibly fallen gotten hurt. But the

487
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 4: area is searched and Brian is not found, and other

488
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: businesses in the Gateway building have cameras and the buildings

489
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: around the gateway also have cameras, but as far as

490
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: we know, Brian never shows up on any of the

491
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 4: security footage. He just goes up into the fucking bar

492
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 4: and disappears. And I've always imagined him, like you said,

493
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 4: still in there, having fallen somewhere. Like you see that recently,

494
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 4: like a woman got stuck in her cral space and

495
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 4: like died and she had been missing for years and years.

496
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's happened. I think we did a story about

497
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: that one time too, where it's like a fireplace, the

498
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: fireplace one. I think there was a rock club one too, yeah,

499
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: which is so rare. It's like just the oddest thing.

500
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 4: And they would have smelled something and they did a

501
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 4: I mean, they did multiple thorough searches. It seems of

502
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: this entire complex, but who the fuck knows?

503
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? One theory just popped into my

504
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: head because if these other stores had cameras, and if

505
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: somebody that was in one of those stores was involved,

506
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: than they could have gone and like erase the camera sure,

507
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: or they're like, oh sorry, our camera's erase every day

508
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: or something and covered their own tracks. Just that it's

509
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: not freestanding It's like there's other places and other people

510
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: that are kind of safe there. Yeah, and like this

511
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: is what we're doing right, theorizing.

512
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: And there's a total possibility that he is on those

513
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 4: surveillance cameras, and we just it doesn't it hasn't. I

514
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: can't imagine it hasn't been connected. But yeah, who the

515
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: fuck knows. Weirder things have happened. Sergeant John Hurst of

516
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: the Columbus Police, he's the lead detective on this case.

517
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: He believes that this is the likeliest route that Brian

518
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: took out of the building, that he left through the shaft,

519
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: wound up in the construction site, and then left the

520
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 4: construction site or was taken from it.

521
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: One more interesting detail.

522
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: That Herst says is that dogs tracked Brian sent from

523
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 4: the construction site to a nearby Wendy's like across the street,

524
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: then possibly to an abandoned building, and then they lost

525
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: the scent completely. We've also heard the stories of drunk

526
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 4: people ending up in dumpsters and those getting emptied. I mean,

527
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: that's such an awful fucking thought. But he got maybe

528
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: got beat up and put I mean, this is clearly

529
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: just more speculation that Yeah, it's all so, this area

530
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: of downtown Columbus where the Gateway building is is known

531
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: for having a pretty high crime rate, and so part

532
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: of the reason the Gateway was built was for the

533
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: university to establish kind of a safer area for students

534
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: to hang out. But again, this also means that there

535
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 4: are cameras pretty much everywhere, and no trace of Brian

536
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: is seen on any of them. A massive search effort

537
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 4: expands outward from the Gateway center, with Brian's friends, family,

538
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: and Alexis's girlfriend all working tirelessly to search the nearby

539
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 4: Owl and Tangy River, and also they check every dumpster.

540
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 4: But it had already been a few days before he

541
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: was reported missing, and no sign of him has ever found.

542
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: Alexis calls Brian's cell phone every day. It always goes

543
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: straight to voicemail, except one time, several weeks after brian

544
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: It's disappearance, it rings once.

545
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that idea that this is the last

546
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: connection and you're just going to keep trying because nothing

547
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: else is working, and the people are supposed to be

548
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: helping you or solve it. Yeah, can't do it, no answers,

549
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: And so then you have this one way and that's

550
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: just like the only thing you can hold on to,

551
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: and then it rings.

552
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: And you're so desperate, you're almost you also were like

553
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: I if he left me and doesn't want to be

554
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: any with me any more, good, I just need to

555
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 4: know what happened right now, right, So like, yeah, it

556
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 4: fucking rings once and brian cell carrier believes it was

557
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: just a glitch and not alexis making an actual connection

558
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: with Brian's phone. It's two thousand and six, so it's

559
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 4: so hard to tell. And that said, in the thirty

560
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 4: days after Brian's disappearance, his phone pings several towers around

561
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 4: the Columbus area. It's that telephone ping thing that we

562
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: got in Cereal that like does it make sense or

563
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: does it?

564
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: Is it just a fluke? Is it an accident?

565
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, as we do in these things where we

566
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: take conjecture from the things we've learned from the media.

567
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: So my thing is like law and order, where it's like, well,

568
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: someone found the phone on the ground, right, and it's

569
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: their phone now for a little while, and then they

570
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: ditch it, right, and it's not connected and it's not that.

571
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 4: But but like if that person came forward and said

572
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: where they found the phone, it would help so much

573
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: more than them getting in trouble for stealing a lost phone.

574
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah what I mean?

575
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they already stole something and I don't know

576
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: why how important it would be they know.

577
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

578
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 4: I feel like someday, in the same way DNA were

579
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 4: able to like read it better. I think the pinging

580
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: phone thing is going to make more sense one day, yes,

581
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: although I wonder if it's going to be able to

582
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: be useful for old cases like this.

583
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: What I hope is we some did get rid of

584
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: these fucking phones and let's just go back to a

585
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: long form letter writing. I think it's best. That's great.

586
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: I love it.

587
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: And this is one of the biggest mysteries of the case,

588
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: as is the elevator footage. All calls to Brian's phone

589
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: goes straight to voicemail, suggesting that the phone had lost

590
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: battery or was turned off. But if it was pinging towers,

591
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 4: it would have to be turned on, and some people writitors,

592
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: a lot of editors believe this must mean that someone

593
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 4: had Brian's phone and it was periodically turned out. Like

594
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: we said so in two thousand and seven, it wasn't

595
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: possible to pinpoint the fund's exact location, though, I wonder

596
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: if someday it will be or if it's just such

597
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: like old technology at this point.

598
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: Well, would be great if it could happen, and it'd

599
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: be great if we could focus on things like that.

600
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

601
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the case attracts tons of attention of course.

602
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: Brian he's also a musician who is actually considered becoming

603
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: a musician as his career before picking medicine instead. He's

604
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: a massive Pearl Jam fan, and he has a Pearl

605
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: Jam tattoo, the stick figure from the art.

606
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: That's how I know this name really well, because Pearl

607
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: Jam started talking about it, right.

608
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eddie Vedder learns about the case and talks about

609
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: it at a show in Cincinnati. That's the tattoo, it's

610
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: just the stick figure. So he dedicates a song to Brian,

611
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: and this brings even more attention to the case. But

612
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: unfortunately it doesn't seem to turn up any fresh leads.

613
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 4: So you know, there's the theories. Some people believe that

614
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: Brian died accidentally in the construction site and there was

615
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: some conspiracy by the developer or the local government to

616
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: cover up his death. But you know, not wanting to

617
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 4: lose funding or stall the project somehow. But it seems

618
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 4: like a lot of trouble to go through in a

619
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 4: very quick time, and a lot of people to be

620
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: complicit in doing that. I don't there'd be one guy'd

621
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: be like, I'm not no. Another theory that comes up

622
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: again and again in this case, and really when any

623
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: young man disappears on a night out in the Midwest,

624
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: is that this could be the work of an unknown

625
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: serial killer who some people call the Smiley Face killer,

626
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: not except from the Happy Face Killer believers in the

627
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: Smiley Faced killer theory. So we don't even know if

628
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: there's an actual serial killer out there. Note that young men,

629
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: often drunk, have disappeared from many college campuses, particularly in

630
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: the Midwest. Often they're eventually found in bodies of water

631
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: near campus, and ray painted smiley face has been found

632
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 4: somewhere on the banks of the river. Yeah, so it

633
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: all might just be a coincidence totally.

634
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: And yet then you kind of underlay that with the

635
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Israel Keys story, where we had a serial killer who

636
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: was intentionally crossing state lines and driving all over so

637
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: he could kill people randomly or make it look random.

638
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's the unfortunate thing. It's just like that

639
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: because that I remember trying to do the smiley face

640
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: killer on this show, and it's just it is like

641
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: it's a ton of the same story and so frustrating

642
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: because it's like and then he disappeared or then he

643
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: was found dead in this water. But graffiti near a

644
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: horrible accident is not uncommon. Totally trying to lace all

645
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: that together. But at the same time, it's already happened

646
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: that way. Israel Keys is the proof that this could

647
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: be happening. Other people could be doing it. Yeah, right,

648
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: it's not impossible. No such smiley face has ever been

649
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: found on the banks of the ol in Tan River.

650
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: The FBI is always maintained that there is no such

651
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: killer and that the presence of the smiley faced graffiti

652
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: is just a coincidence. Sorry, they say the same thing

653
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: about Lady Bird Lake.

654
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: I know we're not doing that. We're not gonna believe

655
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: the FBI. Okay, ever, sounds good. Ever again, ever again.

656
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: Another theory is that Brian did leave the bar under

657
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: his own power, that he changed his clothes and put

658
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: on a different hat so he wouldn't be recognized in

659
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 4: the footage and the surveillance video, and then people point

660
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Speaker 4: to Brian's grief over his mother's recent death that apparently

661
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: Alexis asked him to quote go away, just go away

662
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Speaker 4: with him, that maybe he had been planning to run away,

663
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Speaker 4: but why would he, you know, it just doesn't seem

664
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Speaker 4: likely that he would have put his family through that

665
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Speaker 4: all this time.

666
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: No, and what did he just graduate from medical school

667
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: or is about to he.

668
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Speaker 2: Just finished his exams for that year or for that all.

669
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Speaker 1: That were exactly and all years and then you're just like, whatever, Yeah,

670
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Speaker 1: it seems at least it seems like that's bumped down

671
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: to the rower percentage of possibility.

672
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and then his credit cards and money is

673
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: aren't touched ever, like you'd never hear.

674
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: From him again.

675
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: Sounds kind of impossible intentionally, and he was close to

676
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: his family after all they'd gone through with the mom.

677
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: It just seemed really out of character for him, people said. So,

678
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: Brian's dad, Randy, and his brother Derek work tirelessly to

679
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: try and find Brian or any clues that could lead

680
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: to finding out what happened to him. At one point, Randy,

681
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: the father, consults a psychic who says, Brian is in

682
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: the olin Tangy River, says he was caught in a

683
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: whirlpool by a specific peer, like gives him all this information.

684
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: This grieving father, Randy puts on waiters and goes out

685
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: to this spot and almost gets sucked into a whirlpool

686
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Speaker 4: under the surface himself.

687
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: So it's just fucking so sad. It gets worse.

688
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: In the year after Brian's disappearance, Randy never lets up

689
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: in his constantly calling Brian's friends. He calls Alexis and

690
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: the police to discuss any possible developments. Like he just

691
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: dedicates himself to finding out what happened to his son.

692
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: Then in September of two thousand and eight, there is

693
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Speaker 4: a powerful wind storm in the town where Randy lives,

694
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: and Randy's trying to clear some debris and a large

695
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: branch falls off the tree.

696
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: And kills him.

697
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: This poor family, I know, like the poor the brother

698
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: who suddenly lost his entire family in.

699
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: Like within two or three years. Oh my god, I know.

700
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: So in the years since, though, Derek has taken a

701
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: step back from the case, understandably trying to protect his

702
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: mental health. Yeah, you know, And Alexis spends a year,

703
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: also trying to search for Brian, manning the tip line,

704
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: participating in physical searches, and still calling his phone every day.

705
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: And about a year later, in two thousand and seven,

706
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: she tells herself she needs to stop for her own sanity,

707
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: and I mean not stop, but just not become be

708
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: so involved in your entire life.

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the just focusing only on this tragedy over and

710
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: over every day, which I'm sure in the beginning was

711
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: like a way to get up and out of bedding. Yeah,

712
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: dedicate yourself to something. But yeah, it's.

713
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Years of not finding any clue.

714
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: So crazy.

715
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: And then about six months after that, her mom introduces

716
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Speaker 4: her to a contractor named Eric.

717
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: They fall in love.

718
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: He's very understanding, and they ultimately get married and have

719
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Speaker 4: two sons and settle down in Toledo, where Alexis works

720
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: as an obstetrician, now delivering babies. She doesn't believe in

721
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: any one theory. She tells the Columbus Dispatch that she's

722
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: kind of numb from that time in her life, and

723
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: she says, quote, it almost feels like this all happened

724
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Speaker 4: to someone else.

725
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: Because it's just so strange and take.

726
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: Up so much energy and effort of your life, and

727
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: then you had to walk away from it and just

728
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: pretend that everything right.

729
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: Moved on.

730
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: You had no choice but to move on.

731
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

732
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: This month marks the twentieth anniversary of Ryan's disappearance. The

733
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: case remains open and the Columbus Police say they still

734
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: receive tips and pursue all leads.

735
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

736
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Speaker 4: In a prepared statement for the twentieth anniversary of Brian's disappearance,

737
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: his brother Derek says, quote, every day we think about

738
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 4: Brian and can't believe it's been twenty years. We still

739
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: continue to hope and pray to have answers someday and

740
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: wish that anyone who knows anything would come forward. And

741
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: that is a story of the mysterious and tragic disappearance

742
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 4: of Brian Schaeffer.

743
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

744
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Hey, if the Gilgo Beach serial killer can get found

745
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: and arrested years and years later, totally this person can

746
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: get found.

747
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a simple explanation. I don't think

748
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 4: it's some big conspiracy, you know what I mean. It's

749
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: just simple and not nefarious. Maybe because the ex detective

750
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: is going to write a book about it, and they

751
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: haven't ruled out murder, but it's like, we can't rule

752
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: it in either because there's nothing right there.

753
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Speaker 1: What an incredibly frustrating story.

754
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Speaker 2: You've just told me. Sorry, I know you.

755
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Speaker 1: But I really love that you did it. The fact

756
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: that it's the twentieth anniversary. Yeah, and that it's that

757
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing where it's like missing persons where everyone

758
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: just puts their hands up and it's like, why haven't

759
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: we established governmentally like huge cold case teams or missing

760
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: person's teams where it's like a dedicated group of people

761
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: and that's their job and so that the family doesn't

762
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Speaker 1: have to do it and it's not left to the

763
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: people who are hurt the most by it. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Great one.

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Speaker 1: I also have a bit of a mystery story to

766
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: tell you today, right, but it's a real left turn okay,

767
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: very different Okay, and it's one of those ones I'm

768
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: excited to tell you about. It begins on Tuesday, September

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth, nineteen oh three.

770
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: Oh shit, you know what.

771
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: That is the turn of the century, my favorite time.

772
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: And we're in a small town van Meter, Iowa.

773
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

774
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: It's around one am and a man named Ulysses G.

775
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: Griffith is heading home after a long day of work.

776
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Ulysses is in his mid thirties. He runs a farm

777
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: equipment business such a different time, and the business requires

778
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: him to travel all around the region. He often makes

779
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: it home quite late, and we assume he's traveling in

780
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: probably a horse drawn wagon since it's nineteen oh three,

781
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: and of course he's exhausted. It's a lot of long,

782
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: slow travel. So he rolls onto Van Meter's main street

783
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: and then he sees something incredibly strange. There's a bright

784
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: beam of light coming from the roof of a nearby

785
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: building cutting into the nighttime sky. So this is nineteen

786
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: oh three. We are in rural Iowa. It's a darkness

787
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: that none of us really understand anymore. Before the Rural

788
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: Electrification Act, so some towns did have electricity, but it

789
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: was usually when people had it in their homes. It

790
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: was people with money, so it took a while for

791
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: everybody to get it evenly. So this kind of like

792
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: spotlights and things, it's no one's seen that before. Most

793
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: towns like this in America don't have street lights.

794
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: Or if they do, they have gas lights, and they

795
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: probably out by then like that time of night.

796
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Right totally, we have a picture of Van meter, just

797
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: to get the sense of oh.

798
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, small turn of the century town.

799
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: Train stops through it. It's big enough to have its

800
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: own train stop, huge, but not big enough to have

801
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: its own newspaper. Got it right in there. And then

802
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: just in the background, no lights, nothing, there's nothing, no,

803
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: So Ulysses is baffled. Of course, he's just staring at

804
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: this bizarre site, trying to figure out what he's looking

805
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: at and where it's coming from. When suddenly the light

806
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: jumps to another rooftop, and then it jumps again, and

807
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: then it vanishes into the darkness.

808
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: This this is an alien story, we'll see. Okay.

809
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: This is such a small town and incredibly tight knit community.

810
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: So of course, word of ulysses experience is that the

811
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: plural of Ulysses, Ulysses Ulysses. Word of this strange experience

812
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: spreads very quickly, but no one knows what to make

813
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: of it. And luckily, Ulysses is described in Old County

814
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: records as quote among the leading men in town, both

815
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: socially and in a business way, and uniformly respected end quote.

816
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: So we don't think he's bullshit yeah, or an old

817
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: drunk tractor salesman who's just like well bladelp there, It's

818
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: like it's the moon Ulysses. People of Van Meter know

819
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: him as an even keeled, honest man who is not

820
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: one for practical jokes. Still, there is no explanation, and

821
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: there's really no way to find one. So time passes

822
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: in life just kind of continues on, and it seems

823
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: like that strange sighting is just a one off oddity.

824
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: But if that were the case, I wouldn't be telling

825
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: you about it right now. This is the story of

826
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: the Van Meter Visitor. So the main sources used today

827
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: are articles from the Des Moines Register Archives, a book

828
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: by Chad Lewis, Noah Vass and Kevin Lee Nelson about

829
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the topic, and a mini documentary from Iowa PBS and

830
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: title Old Spooky Stories Van Meter Visitor, and the rest

831
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: of the sources are in our show notes. So I'll

832
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about the town. Van Meter,

833
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: Iowa is situated along the Raccoon River twenty miles west

834
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: of Des Moines, so it's technically a suburb, and to

835
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: this day it still has that small town feel like

836
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: it did in the early nineteen hundreds. But of course

837
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen oh three Van Meter is totally undeveloped, and yeah,

838
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: you saw that picture. Very remote. The I eighty has

839
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: not been constructed, but trains do pass through the town,

840
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: and that local train station that you saw is a

841
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: major source of business and life in this small town.

842
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: Van Meter is also an important Midwestern shipping stop for

843
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: everything from lumber to farm goods to coal that's mined

844
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: out of a local mine there in Van Meter. But

845
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: by nineteen oh three that mine went out of business

846
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: and it sits on the edge of town, a creepy

847
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: and abandoned remnant that's in a state of disrepair. U

848
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: sees this strange sight at one am on Tuesday, September

849
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: twenty ninth. The rest of that day unfolds normally until

850
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: late that afternoon when a thunderstorm rolls in and the

851
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: town's doctor, twenty five year old Fred Alcott. Everyone's a

852
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: baby in this story. Age man, right, middle age, twenty.

853
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Five year old.

854
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like he looks like Wilford Brimley, twenty five.

855
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: So he's working a normal day, seeing patients all day long,

856
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: and like many business owners in Van Meter, he keeps

857
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: an apartment behind his office, so between the day's bad

858
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: weather and the sun's setting around six thirty at that

859
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: time of year. Doctor Alcott's not planning on going anywhere

860
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: that night. It's too dark, it's too rainy, so he

861
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: just goes home, goes to bed, and falls asleep. So

862
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: sometime around one am, now it's Wednesday, September thirtieth, a

863
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: bright light shines through doctor Alcott's bedroom window, lighting up

864
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: an otherwise pitch black room. He's jolted awake. He jumps

865
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Speaker 1: out of bed. He thinks someone's breaking into his office,

866
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: so he reaches for his gun and he rushes outside.

867
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: But what doctor Alcott finds when he gets out into

868
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: the street is incomprehensible. Just steps away from him, there's

869
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: an impossibly bright light shining from what looks like a

870
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: horn on the forehead of a large creature with bat

871
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: like wings.

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00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: Okay, that wasn't where I was going. I was going, lefprikawn.

873
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 4: I don't know why. Don't ask me why.

874
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: You just felt that?

875
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so we're talking about a winged horse. You

876
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 4: in a corn type creature.

877
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: Well, there is a horn and there are wings.

878
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: Where do I get horse from?

879
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Just you're good rider? Terrified, Doctor Elcott lifts his gun

880
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: and starts firing at this thing. She just got to

881
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: shoot a thing, you saw. It was a time where

882
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: they had just settled this area. Shooting things was the

883
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: solution to almost everything.

884
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: Well, has anything changed?

885
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: I mean, hello America. The problem is his bullets have

886
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: no effect on the creature. So he runs back into

887
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: his office, He locks the doors and windows, and he

888
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: barricades himself inside until the sun rises. So, just like

889
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: the first time, word of doctor Alcott's encounter spreads very

890
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: quickly through Van Meter. It's like it happened again. People

891
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: running up and down the street. So because this has

892
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: happened within a twenty four hour period, people start getting

893
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: very worried. And it's also from an equally dignified, well

894
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: respected member of town. But this time he's not just

895
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: claiming us all light. He's claiming you saw a monster.

896
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: So as the sun goes down that night, the people

897
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: of Van Meter are on edge. A clerk at the

898
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: town bank named Peter Dunn, in his mid twenties has

899
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: an idea. Everybody so young, So Peter Dunn has an

900
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: idea in his mind, these lights and winged creatures feel

901
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: like real people that are being misidentified by panicked witnesses

902
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: or exhausted witnesses, and he's worried that they actually are

903
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: criminals who are trying to target the bank and steal

904
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: everybody's money. So he decides to.

905
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: Mister naked about himself, mister main character over.

906
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: Here, exactly right. He's like, oh, this is bank related.

907
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: He gets me the twenty three year old banker of town.

908
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: So bravely he decides to stand guard over the money

909
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: all night long, and later on Peter will go on

910
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: to earn himself a very widely respected role in the

911
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: town of Van Meter. He manages the bank. After that,

912
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: he holds several city offices, including becoming the mayor. So

913
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: he's a sound mind. He's not the type to lie.

914
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: But what happens next sounds very far fetched. So one

915
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: am on a cloudy Thursday, it's October first now, Peter

916
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: claims he hears a weird noise coming from just outside

917
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: the bank. He says, it sounds like quote, someone strangling.

918
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: It's like a weird, choking, choking, strangling sound. So he

919
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: takes his shotgun. He races outside. Right the rule have

920
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: you seen?

921
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: This is reminding me of this tweet rip that says

922
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but my friends and I would have smashed

923
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: et with a hammer. Yes, yes, we would not have

924
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: taken home like and I was like, oh shit, that's

925
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: we were fairal We would have done the same. We

926
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: would have dissected him to be like, well, I wonder

927
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 4: what it is. We beat it with a hammer.

928
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: We were a real kill first to ask questions later

929
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: generation Yeah, it's really what America kind of is at

930
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: its heart. Lily Poory tea film The Right Guy at

931
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: least really bad movie.

932
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: Stevens. Bilberg would have been like, what are you doing?

933
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: This movie is thirty two minutes long. We didn't get him.

934
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: We're going to have him land get discovered, and the kids,

935
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm not called a sack circle up. Yeah, okay. So

936
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Peter races to a nearby window to see what the

937
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: hell this sound is, knowing that it could be the

938
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: thing that everyone is worried about, and he goes and

939
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: peers out into the darkness. But when he presses his

940
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: face to the glass, an intense light immediately shines right

941
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: into his eyes and then it goes out, So we

942
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: can safely assume Peter was dazzled by that light.

943
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Men are so hysterical.

944
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like, God, stop crying, You've got your big gun.

945
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: So he's like, whoa, what just happened? He keeps looking

946
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: out he's trying to see if that light comes back on.

947
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: But now he sees as his vision kind of comes back,

948
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: the light is bouncing around on the street in front

949
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: of the bank. We can assume. With spotty vision and

950
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: feeling absolutely terrified, Peter tries to focus on the light

951
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: as it's moving. He thinks he can see something under

952
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: the light, but not very clearly. He ends up describing

953
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: it simply as quote a great form.

954
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Of some kind.

955
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Cool, so he panics. He raises his shotgun. He fires

956
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: right through the bank's window, blowing out the glass, but

957
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: the light vanishes and once again everything is dark. He

958
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: stays inside that bank until sunrise. Now with a broken window,

959
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: good job, you can get right in. It's called here

960
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: does open it? So when it's finally light, he goes

961
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: and tells everybody what he saw. The area surrounding the

962
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: bank is searched, and, according to old reports, a set

963
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: of quote great three toad tracks are found nearby and

964
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: captured in a plaster mold.

965
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: Do you have the photo of it?

966
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: It's like I'm thinking, duck, that adult has since been

967
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: gone missing. There's no I know, but yes, it's almost

968
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: like a three toed a big bird.

969
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like a dinosaur in Jurassic Park. Yeah, that's right.

970
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how we do it law and order in

971
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. Steven. Okay, So this is a third encounter

972
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: in forty eight hours, and the town of Van Meter

973
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: is now gripped in fear. But the strangeness continues when

974
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: the sun goes down that night. Once again. Around two

975
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: am on Friday, October second, thirty five year old Auto V. White,

976
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: who is the oldest man in town, just kidding, who

977
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: lives in an apartment above his Main Street hardware store,

978
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: is now awakened by a quote rasping sound outside. He

979
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: immediately grabs his gun. He opens a window, and he

980
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: scans the street. He's waiting for his eyes to adjust

981
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: to the darkness. I wonder if their vision was different

982
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: because there was so little artificial light back then.

983
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: And then also like the dude in the bank, he's

985
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: I don't like him. I don't know why, but his

986
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: vision would have been so fucked after having you know,

987
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: basically like a flashlight in your face, especially because he

988
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: had never probably hadn't been around electric light that long. Yeah,

989
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: so I don't trust I don't know why I don't

990
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 4: like you don't like capitalists?

991
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?

992
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 4: He seems like a pickmy guy, That's what I'm saying.

993
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay. So he hears the rasping noise. This is Auto

994
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: from the hardware store. Here's a rasping noise, immediately grabs

995
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: his gun, opens the window, scans the street. He's waiting

996
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: for his eyes to adjust, and as they do, he

997
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: sees something hanging off the nearest telephone pole about fifteen

998
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: feet away, so dangerously close for my taste. But it's

999
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: another kind of rainy, cloudy night. There's almost no moonlight.

1000
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: It's really too dark to be able to see any

1001
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: of the features of what this thing is. But Auto's

1002
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: already heard about the monster stocking van meter, so he

1003
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: thinks the best plan is to just shoot at whatever

1004
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: it is hanging off that telephone pole and ask questions later.

1005
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: He raises his gun, he pulls the trigger, but instead

1006
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: of this thing tumbling to the ground or screeching or anything,

1007
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: it's just silence until a moment later when an incredibly

1008
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: bright light shines right in his face. Suddenly he's overwhelmed

1009
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: by a horrible stench, and then it all gets a

1010
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: little foggy, and Auto cannot remember anything that happens after that.

1011
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: After the stench. This has mothman vibes, doesn't it. Yep,

1012
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: that will come up later. So meanwhile, Otto's gunshot wakes

1013
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: up the man who lives diagonally across Main Street, twenty

1014
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: year old shopkeeper Sidney Gregg, twenty year old's shop children.

1015
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: He's been asleep in his street level apartment that's attached

1016
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: to his store, So he runs into a shop. He

1017
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: swings the front door open. He looks out over Main

1018
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Street and he's looking around for the source of the gunshots.

1019
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: But what he's shocked to see is the entire street

1020
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: lit up like it was daytime. And then he sees

1021
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: the creature still clinging to the nearby telephone pole with

1022
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: a bright light coming from its head, and according to reports,

1023
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: Sydney says, it's hanging by what looked like talons or

1024
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: bird claws. Yack, three of them. Men just go ahead

1025
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: and do this, Yeah, pinch like a pincher. Oh he

1026
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: ate with that light coming off his head. So Sidney

1027
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: is the witness who gets the best look at this

1028
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: creature of anyone in the story, and his description is

1029
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: more evocative of something like a pterodactyl versus like some

1030
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: flying humanoid creature.

1031
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

1032
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: He watches as it climbs down from the pole and

1033
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: stands upright, and he estimates this thing is eight feet tall.

1034
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, It jumps a couple times, unfolds two

1035
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: massive featherless wings all the wa while the light on

1036
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: its forehead sweeping back and forth like it's scanning the area.

1037
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: And then right on schedule, the overnight train barrels past

1038
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: van meter on the nearby tracks and spooks the creature,

1039
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: and from his shop stoorway, Sidney says he watches it

1040
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: bolt off quote on all four feet.

1041
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

1042
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: So he runs like a horse, like remember you said

1043
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning, but he looks like a bird. But

1044
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: he lands like a human and looks like a bird

1045
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: and then runs off on all four Okay. So when

1046
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: the word gets around the next day, this town goes

1047
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: into an all out panic.

1048
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: Of course, where are the women to calm everyone down?

1049
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: For fuck's sake, right, there weren't many in the pictures

1050
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: like it. It seems like a bunch of college grads

1051
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: went out and started Van Meter by themselves in a

1052
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: boys only.

1053
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Clubs hysterical old boys.

1054
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Then more information comes to light talking about the old

1055
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: abandoned coal mine in van Meter. It was built next

1056
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: to a brick and tile factory, and the brick and

1057
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: tile factory is still in business. Word spreads the workers

1058
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: at the brick and tile factory have been hearing weird

1059
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: sounds coming from the abandoned coal mine for a while.

1060
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: They just haven't really talked about it to anybody, which

1061
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: also is an interesting kind of dynamic of like the

1062
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: pressure of small town. Like once you say, hey, we

1063
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: heard weird screeching or whatever, it's like, Oh, they're crazy

1064
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: at the tile factory or.

1065
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Whatever, puff tile glue or whatever.

1066
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So they haven't talked about it, so we

1067
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: don't really know how long they had been hearing those noises.

1068
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: But the factory and the mind shaft sits about five

1069
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: hundred feet away from each other, so relatively close. So

1070
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: as the sun sets that Friday evening, the residents of

1071
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: van Meter are preparing for another night of terror, and

1072
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: sure enough it comes around one am, forty four year old,

1073
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a geriatric look. Forty four year old

1074
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: JL Platt, the operations manager of the brick and tile factory,

1075
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: and his crew of overnight workers start hearing those same

1076
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: weird noises coming from the mine shafts once again. But

1077
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: now because they've all heard about these sightings and all

1078
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff that's been happening, Platt finally decides he's

1079
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: going to step out and investigate this noise. There's a

1080
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: full moon that night, so he can see better than

1081
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: he would normally be able to. He walks towards the

1082
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: mind shaft, and as he approaches, he sees the outline

1083
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: of two creatures standing in the shaft entrance.

1084
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: He's got a buddy, You got.

1085
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: A buddy, A little buddy. One is noticeably larger than

1086
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: the other. Both have those light horns on their heads.

1087
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: He watches as they raise their enormous rings and fly

1088
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: off into the dark.

1089
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: Bye.

1090
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: So this time, there's no waiting until sunrise. Plat, his workers,

1091
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: and other citizens of Van Meter immediately mobilize, thinking that

1092
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: the mine is where these creatures live. A group of

1093
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: vigilantes armed with guns.

1094
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: Let's start fucking shooting into it. Or what's set it

1095
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: on fire or what.

1096
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: They surround the mine and they wait until daybreak because

1097
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: they're like, if they live here, they're coming back. And

1098
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: sure enough, right at dawn, the monsters are seen flying

1099
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: back through the sky toward the mine shaft.

1100
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1101
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: So everybody starts shooting, right, They unload everything they've got,

1102
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: and as they do, the two creatures let out bizarre

1103
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: loud groans and the air suddenly fills with that strange odor.

1104
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: But like every other time that anyone's tried to shoot

1105
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: at these mysterious things, the bullets have no effect. Reportedly,

1106
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: the creatures land and here's where I go. They push

1107
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: their way past the citizens and they disappeared down the

1108
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: mine shaft into the dark tunnel. So they're like, out

1109
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: of our way, We're going back home. Yeah, And no

1110
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: one can do anything because it's like, you're not going

1111
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: to fistfight them, duns don't work.

1112
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: They're like, got that close? Is surprising, right?

1113
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: What happens next is also mysterious. What we do know

1114
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: is that the citizens of Van Meter blocked the entrance

1115
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: to that abandoned coal mine, like boarded up forever, and

1116
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: after that there are no more documented sightings of these

1117
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: strange creatures. Ever again, over time they become known as

1118
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: the Van Meter visitor or visitors, And the remnants of

1119
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: that old mine with its blocked off entrance are still

1120
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: there in van Meter, but they're now on private property.

1121
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: Has anyone gone in and searched for them? I mean,

1122
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Well, but here's the thing I wonder we'll theorize. Okay,

1123
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of theories about what this

1124
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: could have been. Who are what the van Meter visitor

1125
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: actually was. The most plausible explanation being it's a case

1126
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: of mass misidentification involving something like a vulture or a

1127
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: large owl, which is the same theory that kind of

1128
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: writes off the Mothman. Which is interesting because the Mothman,

1129
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: they think it was a gigantic bird called a shoe

1130
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: bill that was basically migrating and got like knocked off

1131
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: its migration path.

1132
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: The weirdest looking fucking bird you've ever seen in your life.

1133
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: It is a wild looking bird, so like if.

1134
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: You saw out in the wild, you'd fucking run.

1135
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: In, especially in like car lights in a very dark highway.

1136
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: I feel like darkness is a big part of all

1137
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: of these things that are like like it.

1138
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: It's nocturnal. They're nocturnal.

1139
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: They're nocturnal. Creek to yours, except for that last experience,

1140
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: which is so heightened that it's like truly a whole

1141
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: town sat there and watched these things come and fly,

1142
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: and then they were like pushed out of the way.

1143
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: Out like they're a fucking concert or something.

1144
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: Like they're pushing to the front. Okay, some write the

1145
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: whole thing off as a practical joke, but if that

1146
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: were true, then they'd know who was doing it, because

1147
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: the one was eight feet tall. If they were average height,

1148
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: they'd have to be talented enough to bounce, fly and

1149
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: climb telephone poles on stilts and in costume while carrying

1150
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: an incredibly bright lantern or an electric headlight that there's

1151
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: almost no way that could have. Yeah, yeah, Sears had

1152
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: an incredible catalog, and it always there's also the theory

1153
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: of massed illusion. When you said eight and seiers eight,

1154
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: there's the theory of massed illusion. Because throughout the eighteen hundreds,

1155
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, newspapers were full of sensationalized

1156
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: reports of weird creatures. The Van Meter visitor story predates

1157
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen oh nine Jersey Devil panic, which is similar

1158
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: because it involves a flying dinosaur esque creature, predates it

1159
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: by about seven years, and of course it predates our

1160
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: beloved mothman by fifty years, more than fifty years. But

1161
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: it's totally possible that people in van Meter were reading

1162
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: about other strange creatures in the papers and getting those ideas,

1163
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: because about a decade earlier, a pterodactyl like monster known

1164
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: as the Tombstone thunderbird was spotted in Arizona, And that's

1165
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: the one that I've heard about that where it's like

1166
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: it's a bird, but it is so gigantic. It's like

1167
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: a fifty foot wingspan, and I think there were stories

1168
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: of like it carried off a child Jesus, like it's

1169
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: so huge and a bunch of people saw it. So

1170
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: even if that story was a lie, but it's in

1171
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: the newspaper and then the story goes around, then it's

1172
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: like you got our own. Also, of course, the very

1173
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: plausible theory the residents of Van Meter invented a monster

1174
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: story to drum up either publicity draw visitors to the town.

1175
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine the most respected citizens of the town,

1176
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: like a doctor and a future mayor would use their

1177
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: own good names to back up a hoax like that,

1178
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: although let's not put anything past the high level people.

1179
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: As we have learned these days, by most accounts, locals

1180
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: did not like seize on the newspaper coverage to make

1181
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: more of it. They actually didn't seem to like it.

1182
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: So it's unclear who would have benefited by spreading a

1183
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: story like this. We can take a closer look at

1184
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: the man who wrote the articles about the Van Meter visitor.

1185
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: He's a journalist named Harry H. Phillips, and we can

1186
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: mull over whether or not he is a bad reporter

1187
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: or somehow involved in an elaborate hoax, or just plan

1188
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: all telling the truth. The town of Van Meter, as

1189
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: I said, doesn't have its own newspaper in nineteen oh three,

1190
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: so the first reports of this event pop up in

1191
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: the Des Moines Daily paper on October fifth, a couple

1192
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: of days after that last reported sighting. It's totally possible

1193
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: Harry H. Phillips was given bad information or got kind

1194
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: of basic information and embellished the original details as he

1195
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: was working on the cop.

1196
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, we've done that for ten years, that's.

1197
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: What we do you know their old timey version of clickbait. Essentially,

1198
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: it's just like, can you believe what's happening out west

1199
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: where nothing's provable and there are no cameras. Again, though,

1200
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: I will say Harry H. Phillips is an esteemed member

1201
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: of the community of van Meter. He lives in van Meter.

1202
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: He is the local postmaster, which I think takes an

1203
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: extra amount of honesty and trustworthiness.

1204
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: He's not one to embellish, right or lie. Yeah, okay,

1205
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 4: he's off the hook.

1206
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: What are those things? Money? A money order?

1207
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1208
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? Now, I know what we're

1209
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: talking about.

1210
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: I need to give you three hundred dollars, but I

1211
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: don'tant to have give you cash, so I'll give you

1212
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: this thing from the bank.

1213
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, A wire, I don't know.

1214
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: Cashier's check. A cashier's check, God, damn it. You know,

1215
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: I quit forget that. I'll just keep going. So so

1216
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: people trust this man. And also very important to mention

1217
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: that there was a contest in van Meter, or I

1218
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a contest, but they had

1219
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: the handsome bachelors of van Meter that they featured every year,

1220
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: and he was one of them. Here are the handsome

1221
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: bachelor's Hello boys Van Meta. This was from nineteen oh one,

1222
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: and uh what the.

1223
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: One looks like he's just in a ghost this guy?

1224
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, constant surprise. Oh you mean young Harry Houdini who

1225
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: somehow lived in Van Meter, Iowa.

1226
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 4: You guys, go to our instagram if you want to

1227
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 4: see this photo. The front row mustaches are fucking given.

1228
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah are they?

1229
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: You know?

1230
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Is it like these are the most esteemed citizens because

1231
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: they have the biggest mustaches. And it goes up to

1232
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: the youngsters.

1233
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: Can't just Willy Milly grow a mustache?

1234
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: I think if I had to pick one, h how

1235
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: about that lone wolf over on the left.

1236
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: I like the below him with the mustache.

1237
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: That's kind of a daddy issue pick. He's giving saddy.

1238
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: He's giving za, totally saddy. My guy has a hair

1239
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: sticking up, just like I always do.

1240
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hey, he was most like modern I'd say,

1241
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: yeah he does.

1242
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: That's the time travel like a modern man. That's why

1243
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: he's a little bit apart because he slipped it on

1244
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: the side. Like Cam from nineteen seventy four.

1245
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: He's disappearing right before his one.

1246
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Hand is going away. So Harry is on the left

1247
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: in the middle road. So this guy.

1248
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: A little thicker. He's a little thicker on the face.

1249
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: You know now that you point, Now that I point

1250
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: him out and blame it on you, I think he

1251
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: might be my pick. Okay, no more time travelers. Our

1252
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: boyfriends are friends.

1253
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 4: Yay, you can have both. What don't have to pick?

1254
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: Fucking monogamy is out in the nineteen o threes.

1255
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: Imagine that'd be even more revolutionary than this monster with

1256
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: a light on its head. So he's handsome. Of course

1257
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: he's not lying. Again, there's no obvious reason for him

1258
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: to make up the story unless it is a ruse

1259
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: to get more subscribers, which I think is what yellow

1260
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: journalism was kind of all about back then.

1261
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that makes sense.

1262
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: So what we really need for the van meter visitor

1263
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: or visitors mystery to be solved is to find that

1264
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: old plaster cast of the monster's footprints, or maybe discover

1265
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: some lost diary of someone's great great grandmother in an.

1266
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: Ath And yes, I was there in an attic in

1267
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 4: some fucking ex sheriff's grandma's Fuck what I don't.

1268
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: Know, please or like I like to then even more

1269
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: kind of thrilling to me. Is it's at the bottom

1270
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: of a pile in a hoarder house where people are like,

1271
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: I just.

1272
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: Can't deal with it.

1273
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 4: It's grandma dies before we clean up, or she's gonna

1274
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 4: freak the fuck out.

1275
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: That's right, but they're just sitting there proof. That was

1276
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: my dad's Yeah, he told me not to say anything,

1277
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: and then I started hoardon to cover the secret. In

1278
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: my mind. People don't talk like that in Iowa.

1279
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: They maybe they do.

1280
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Everyone becomes an old prospector immediately. Okay, it's like the

1281
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Bigfoot deathbed confession. Well it's like, hey, look, it's all

1282
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: a prank like that would be great, but until that happens,

1283
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: we just can't know. What happened in Van Meter in

1284
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: the fall of nineteen oh three. Everyone in our story,

1285
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: of course, is long since past the amazing except for Harry.

1286
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: Except for that guy. It's crazy. He's two hundred and twelve.

1287
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: It has an age today.

1288
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I say he's two hundred and twelve. I know for

1289
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: a fact how many years it's been since how many

1290
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: is up?

1291
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: But how old is he then? So he's one hundred

1292
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: and whatever.

1293
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: We don't math here matter, and we loved to riff

1294
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: use your calculator. I can't. I don't know how sure.

1295
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 4: We're just just the meme of like my husband can

1296
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to look at my camera, and not

1297
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: because I want to I'm cheating on him, but because

1298
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: and then it pulls up a calculator and it's like

1299
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: nine minus.

1300
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Three, the most basic mess. Oh so good. I think

1301
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: we should start doing our favorite TikTok of the week

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: and show each other all week long. We're like, find

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01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: the thing that you love the most, whether it's funny,

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: touching and cool new thing, and then.

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: We'll learn the dance and then we do they'll do

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: the dance. You have to do the dance.

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: Though, and then we do like your little couple's ones

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01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: where it's like yep or whatever.

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01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: I'll flip you over and then we end in a

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01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: two man pyramid. Okay, I'll do it.

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01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: So here's a good news. We're just a couple of

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Speaker 1: years shy of the one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of the Van Meter Visitor event. And more good news,

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01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: van Meter has since embraced their historical cryptozoological mystery. They

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Speaker 1: have a yearly Van Meter Visitor Festival look Yes, and

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: this year it's on September twenty sixth. We're there, We'll

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01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: see you there. That's the story of the Van Meter visitor.

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: Good, good one. I have never heard of that guy.

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: I know.

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: It's a love a cryptozoology fucking.

1322
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: And also one that's like, but if there were dinosaurs?

1323
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: But what if there is? But what if there are

1324
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: dinosaurs that had lights on their head like those.

1325
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 2: Fishsh I was told?

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01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: Has there ever impossible? Animal doctors, has there ever been

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01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: an animal? I'm sure there's been an insects, But has

1329
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: there been an animal that has had a light source

1330
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 4: on its head?

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01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: Please let us know. Yeah, we didn't go to college,

1332
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: we don't know.

1333
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: Animal doctors, be here and help us solve this Van

1334
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: Meter mystery. As a doctor, I'll tell you my theory

1335
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: because you know this is my theory, or this is

1336
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: what I've read and then absolutely believed about the loch

1337
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: Ness monster. Is these prehistoric creatures that are in underground

1338
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: caverns and lakes and all the things we don't know are.

1339
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: Down there, deep, dark and mysterious.

1340
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: And then they evolved down there, and then you start

1341
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: blowing up their ecosystem and they come to the surface

1342
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: and look around and go.

1343
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: Where are the intruders?

1344
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: We need to reduce our carbon it's their landing in.

1345
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: The center of the earth. Well wait, let me see

1346
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: if there's any other pictures that I would like a.

1347
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Drawing of what it would look like. Is that okay?

1348
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: Oh well there it is. It looks like a dragon

1349
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: van meter hot under the collar. So basically it's like

1350
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: the report on like, here's what they think happened. Now

1351
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: everybody thinks they're crazy, yeah, which is why people don't

1352
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: come forward, as we know totally.

1353
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: So is there a cryptozoology guy in your town? Tell

1354
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 4: us at my Favorite Murder at Gmail for minisodes.

1355
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: And also any of the stuff that I just talked

1356
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: about that is incorrect. I when I first moved to

1357
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: LA in nineteen ninety four, there's a group of guys

1358
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: Mark Fight, Toby Huss Jim Turner, and they were called

1359
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: the Iowa Boys. They all did comedy, and I love

1360
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: Iowa because those three boys.

1361
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: And represented it as well.

1362
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: They're just truly salt of the earth, good guys, great drinkers,

1363
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: funny as fucking hell, and so I respect the people

1364
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: of Iowa. If I said anything wrong, please let me

1365
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: know and I will correct it. Those are the last

1366
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: people I want.

1367
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: To just sure, Yeah, totally right? Yeah?

1368
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: Is that it? I think we have to see.

1369
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: We must stops plenty of some fucking point.

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01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna really soon, don't worry. We really gotta stop

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01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: really soon.

1372
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 6: We're gonna all right, here we go.

1373
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, We're in the car doing a live action

1374
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: moving driving honking horay.

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01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: That's right, presented by Hyundai.

1376
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 5: Driven by Georgia Harsh.

1377
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: Should I go for shit?

1378
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: She's running around? It was very yellow, but it.

1379
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: Was very yellow.

1380
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna take it away from you?

1381
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: Is the perfect Yep, let's definitely do that.

1382
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 5: Okay.

1383
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: Here's the first one is from cast and it's via

1384
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: Instagram and it says, hey, queens, my haray is that

1385
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: after a year of sickness and injury and mostly being

1386
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: stuck inside, I remembered who I am. This month, I

1387
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: completed a four week Pilate's Challenge, went to a bunch

1388
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: of gigs and remembered I have a personality and free will.

1389
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: So I got a new tattoo. I'm stronger, happier. Saw

1390
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: Noel Gallagher play Master Plan live and I'm feeling like myself.

1391
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 5: Again, which is better?

1392
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: Than any drug I've been prescribed this year, and then

1393
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: it says stay sexy and pulse this one out Casts.

1394
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, nice one, cass solve any heartbreak.

1395
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: That's such a nice build of like she was down,

1396
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: like didn't know what to do, and then slowly but surely,

1397
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: like I did something for my muscles, I did something

1398
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: for my ears.

1399
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 3: I went to.

1400
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 5: Seeing Noel Gallagher. You're all set.

1401
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: I remember who I am. I love that I know.

1402
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: Good job, Casts, We're behind you. Here's the second one,

1403
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: and it's a short one. It says, my haray is

1404
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: a huge personal one. After eight years of referrals and waiting,

1405
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: I finally have a date for top surgery. It's finally

1406
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: time to yat my teats. And then it just says,

1407
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: Alex say them.

1408
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 3: Amazing, Alex.

1409
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: Congratulations Alex, you've done it. It's good that you were patient,

1410
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: it's good that you got to do the thing that

1411
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: you wanted to do, and sorry that this nation has

1412
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: turned the.

1413
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 5: Way it has.

1414
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: We support you, We support you entirely.

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 5: Okay, here's one. It's from an email.

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: It says hooray for sisters, and it starts I'm so

1417
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: happy Horay's are back. First, it was a dream to

1418
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: see you in Denver with my favorite and only sister.

1419
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: Now to the hooray. Let me preface with the fact

1420
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: that my little sister is my everything. Four years ago,

1421
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: her abusive, cheating husband left after running her into floor

1422
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: foreclosure in bankruptcy.

1423
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 3: That was not not on me.

1424
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 5: Also, I'm not laughing at either of those things.

1425
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: That was a weird three way stoff that Georgia had

1426
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: to manage. A few months later, she was diagnosed with

1427
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: breast cancer as a single mom and self employed woman,

1428
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: a double mistectomy and.

1429
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 5: The recovery was brutal.

1430
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: She lost all of her retirement, her savings, her home,

1431
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: and her beautiful boobs. Now she has a growing business,

1432
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: a gorgeous daughter, a supportive, caring partner, and me. She

1433
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: always has me and my horay is we have each

1434
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: other and she is here, a cancer free.

1435
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: Strong woman.

1436
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: I love her and I couldn't be happier to have

1437
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: a best friend like her. Krista, You're my horay. Thanks

1438
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: for all the laughter, Karen and Georgia. Don't forget to

1439
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: get the girls checked. Kira in Colorado, amazing, that's a

1440
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: really amazing one.

1441
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 3: I have the message. It hurts, but you gotta get

1442
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: them checked.

1443
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: Okay, this honking horay is about someone we all know

1444
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: and love. The email is entitled Paul Giamati, and it says,

1445
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: are we still doing horays? If so, I've got the

1446
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: tiniest little thing some of your fans might like. I'd

1447
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: just like to shout out MFM Royalty. Mister Paulgimoni. Does

1448
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: he know he's a MFM Royalty.

1449
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 5: He's like.

1450
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: Form making my day giving a lengthy quote about how

1451
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: Star Trek Deep Space nine is his favorite of the series.

1452
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm alone in taking a bit of

1453
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: joy hearing about super talented and charming folks who also

1454
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: share your particular.

1455
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 5: Flavor of nerd.

1456
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: There's been plenty of times when my tastes have overlapped

1457
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: with you all during the years too.

1458
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 5: Anyway, hooray for Paul Giamati again.

1459
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: And May twenty twenty six be a year we listen

1460
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 1: to our elders like George Takai. Thanks for everything, Lindsay.

1461
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 3: But what about next generation?

1462
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone knows there's so many choices in this

1463
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: Star Trek community.

1464
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 3: Goods up, everyone, Yeah, we really hooray it up.

1465
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 4: We sure did and thank you to Hyundai for giving

1466
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 4: us the opportunity to drive around and read hoorays.

1467
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you, Hyundai, and stay sexy.

1468
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: Don't get Murder Ambulance.

1469
01:10:48,320 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 7: Bye called Ambulance, Elvis, Do you want a cookie?

1470
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 4: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

1472
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 4: is Tessa Hughes.

1473
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle las Vedo.

1474
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1475
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1476
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

1477
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: And follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

1478
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,360
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1479
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,280
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1480
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,760
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1481
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1482
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: the remind Me buttons. That's the best way you can

1483
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,440
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