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Speaker 1: Hello, Yellowstone fans, It's Jefferson White with you again, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Hurts from on the show, and can I just say

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Speaker 1: that it is it's good to be back. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not just talking about the podcast. I think that we're

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Speaker 1: all kind of reeling from this mid season finale. I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to dive into it and unpack it with

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Speaker 1: the one and only Jen Landon aka Teeter.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jeff and speaking for the entire Yellowstone community because

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Speaker 2: I can. I just got to say, it's really good

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Speaker 2: to have you home, even if that home is at

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Speaker 2: the four sixes. It was so heartwarming to see you.

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Speaker 1: And we might be seeing each other soon because it

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Speaker 1: looks like Teeter's going to Texas, so I'm going to

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Speaker 1: keep my eye out for you.

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Speaker 2: How crazy was this episode?

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Speaker 1: Really wild? An episode with these amazing contrasts, right, so

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Speaker 1: there's total loyalty being demonstrated and also just devastating betrayal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like from Young Rips branding and the commitment of

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Speaker 2: that to the ranch, to Jamie's knife in the back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was just.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, unbelievable. So we're gonna cover all that. Plus we

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Speaker 1: are very very lucky. We're gonna talk to the man

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Speaker 1: of the hour, Wes Bentley Jamie Dutton and maybe get

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Speaker 1: a glimpse into what's next for Jamie.

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Speaker 3: I'm flipping through his pages, like, Wow, that's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a beautiful scene in that turn it, and all I

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear more from Wesson a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: first we're gonna take a very quick break.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, do your parents ever call you after an episode

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about what they didn't like that

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Speaker 2: you did, or just to tell you maybe that they

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Speaker 2: would have preferred that you do it slightly differently.

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Speaker 1: That's devastating to hear. Luckily, no, they don't. Because I

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Speaker 1: haven't been in any of the episodes.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, I think today's episode is really going to be

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Speaker 2: about you. I have half a mind to interview you

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Speaker 2: as the guest because Jimmy does come back with a bang.

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Speaker 2: I loved all of those scenes between you and Emily.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. That was a real It was an

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Speaker 1: incredible treat to get to do that stuff with Kat Kelly,

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Speaker 1: and I'm also just excited for what the future holds.

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Speaker 1: I'm incredibly excited to get to work with my friends again, because,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, it was a long, long half

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Speaker 1: season being banished, banished from the ranch. Speaking of banishment,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is also a huge Jamie episode, and

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Speaker 1: Jamie seems to have perhaps been pushed so close to

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Speaker 1: going to hear it from the horse's mouth, as it were.

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Speaker 1: We've got Wes Bentley as a guest today. I'm so

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Speaker 1: so excited to dig into this stuff with Wes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I actually this was my favorite season for the Jamie

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Speaker 2: character and Wes the actor. This might the last two

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Speaker 2: scene with Beth in this episode was probably my favorite

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Speaker 1: I can't help but be reminded of the fight between

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Speaker 1: exciting stuff. I can't wait to talk to Wes about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so before we do that, should we just jump

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Speaker 1: So, I was great, why not start at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good place to start. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: we start, We start in a cheery scene, a body

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating seeing John Dutton long before his evolution,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but in season one

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Speaker 1: You know. So there's a lot of evolution that happens

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he he also dropped. There's these one liners. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But when he talks about he says, protect the protect

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Speaker 2: And he also says another one that I wrote down,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny this this timeline, this sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: So you're right. His words kind of both prophecy the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's this very ominous thing, ominous moment

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Speaker 2: But you know, basically, if you make one choice, you

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Speaker 2: So while we do have this sort of I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, there was a choice, a choice,

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Speaker 4: that the equation for the ranch is like, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: It's the same kind of choice that Jimmy was presented

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have free will fate. Okay, Well, onto

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Speaker 2: cheerier mutters. I have Jimmy and Emily with thirty seven

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Speaker 2: Jeff I got to tell you are so you are

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Speaker 2: such an amazing actor, and that is that is apparent

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Speaker 2: You were a four sixes cowboy, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: And I was wondering if you could talk a little

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Speaker 1: Right, that's exactly right. It's a real pleasure. Now I've

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Speaker 1: We spent that time down in Texas. Then we're back

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Speaker 2: And then immediately after that, there's a few really moving scenes.

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Speaker 3: as Jamie, you know, taken on a lot to bring,

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00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: you know, just pile on the weight and deal with it.

435
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: And it's been a hard you know, it's been as

436
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: I've talked about before, it's really tricky. You know, it's

437
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: hard as an actor to just continually do that for

438
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: years and despite all your instincts fighting it and just

439
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: as a human being. And so this season that's that

440
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: you see the beginning of the change of that and

441
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: and actually in a deeper way than I even read

442
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: initially when I first read the scripts and saw where

443
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: we were heading. It's I think there's more depth with

444
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: than just Jamie. He's getting used again. I think Jamie

445
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: sees an opportunity and so there's a piece of Jamie

446
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: that's always been there but in benefit to the Duttons,

447
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: which is his schemes, and now he's going to use

448
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: those schemes, possibly against the Duttons. So it's it's an

449
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: interesting rebound. It's I don't think it's a totally conscious

450
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: one maybe by him. You know, this is he's a

451
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: bit stunned after everything that happened at the end of

452
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: last season and having to you know, kill his own

453
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: father and you know, and try to go back to

454
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: the Duttons and try to be what they need him

455
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: to be. And I think he's in a weird like state,

456
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: you know, half a lie of half half just numb,

457
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 3: and so you know, I think he sees an opportunity

458
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 3: in Sarah and in market equities and in people who

459
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: he thinks see his usefulness.

460
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: Do you feel like his having to kill his own

461
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: dad sort of laid the groundwork for that mental state,

462
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: and then Sarah out would coming in is sort of

463
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 2: the engine that he could you know, hook his car too,

464
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: so to speak, that sort of propels this whole movement forward.

465
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: I definitely do. I think. You know, we talked a

466
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: lot about Beth's moment for where she started to hate

467
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Jamie and and we've lived through that and that is

468
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: a horrible thing. But this, I think is Jamie's you

469
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: know moments where he realizes, oh he and whatever love

470
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: I have for her, hoped to have for her forever

471
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: and he did for Beth. I think he had more

472
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: hope for that than even Beth ever did. And her

473
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: forcing him to do that was that moment of she

474
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: not only doesn't love me and never will, she hates

475
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: me and wants me dead for real. And I think

476
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: Jamie wasn't fully, It wasn't clicking when Jamie that she's

477
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: really after him for all these years until that moment,

478
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: and that trauma in doing that, I think is the

479
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: final break for him with her. And now I think

480
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: it part of him wants her, you know, to pay back.

481
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: I guess he wants some kind of payback, and maybe more,

482
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: I think it has broken something in him further than

483
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: was already broken.

484
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: When we last spoke last season. I talked a lot

485
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: about this idea of repression. Like so many of the

486
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: characters on this show, it's about this expression, it's about

487
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: this release, and Jamie seems so under control, he seems

488
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: so buttoned up. Repression has been a sort of necessity

489
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: for him for his entire life. He's had to repress

490
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: his impulses in service of this family. So talk about

491
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: how that relates so specifically with Sarah because you've kind

492
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: of got Jamie world this season. You have all of

493
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: these incredible scenes with Sarah with Dawn. Talk about the

494
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: freedom that that relationship offers this character. The experience of

495
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: doing those scenes. Is there a kind of release a

496
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Catharsis that Jamie's never had before?

497
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Definitely, And I think it comes across in the scene

498
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: where he is sharing with Sarah that what he really

499
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: wanted to be. And Jamie, like you said, he's been

500
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: buried under what John wants him to be and whatever

501
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: obligation he felt to Beth and to his brothers. So

502
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: whatever Jamie is and whoever Jamie is, he has no idea.

503
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: And it seems to be that Sarah starts to coax

504
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: that out, that she's not just like sleeping with him.

505
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: She's pulling out this guy that she can see buried

506
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: under him. And Don is incredible. Don brought more than

507
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: what's on the page, and there's a lot on the

508
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: page to work with, and Don she's an incredible actor.

509
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: I was really excited when we started kicking it off

510
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: because I saw something there to really latch onto, and

511
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: she was bringing something different for me and for Jamie

512
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: and so you know, yeah, I was discovering you know,

513
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: as we halfway through the shooting it, I was at

514
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: home and I actually had a lot of time off

515
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: as we went through all the stuff we had to

516
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: go through shooting the show, and I was just sitting

517
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: in this like in the middle of the woods by

518
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: myself for a couple of weeks, and I had that

519
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: gave me time to really ruminate on these scenes that

520
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: I found very challenging because they were opening parts of

521
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Jamie I hadn't opened yet, so you know, I wasn't

522
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: prepared for that, and I really was nervous. I wanted

523
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: to get it right. I wanted to meet Taylor and

524
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: go beyond him if I could, And so luckily I

525
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: had those that time, and I just sat there and

526
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: it just was hitting me how much was underneath all

527
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: that stuff that I've been playing, that Jamie's been playing.

528
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: He's been playing for longer. And so, yeah, you know,

529
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: don Sarah, the way she's doing it's not like your

530
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: typical story of being manipulated and used, because I don't

531
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: know if it's that clear. I think Jamie knows what's

532
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: going on, right, I mean, he's been through enough of these.

533
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: He's smart guy. He sees what's coming. Now it's like, well,

534
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: maybe I want to do that.

535
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: There's this really amazing moment in that scene because when

536
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Jeff was talking, I was thinking about that exact same

537
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: scene and you it almost looked like something that I

538
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: don't even know if you're aware of how how much

539
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: you did it. But Sarah says to you, your father's

540
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: jealous of you, and you see, I'm going to talk

541
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: about Jamie like he's a real person and you don't

542
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: play him.

543
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: I love it.

544
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Jamie lights up and hooks onto that in a way,

545
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: and it's and then you I'm going to talk about

546
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, you like leaned in and you like came

547
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: closer to her, And it was such this moment. I

548
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: get goosebumps talking about it because I've had moments in

549
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: my life where I'm so desperate for someone's approval and

550
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: they will not give it to me, and I just

551
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: can't get out from underneath them. And that moment when

552
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: somebody says you don't need to get out from underneath them,

553
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: You've already transcended them or your own you know, or

554
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: the fact that they're just jealous of you, or whatever,

555
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: and it is this moment where you're like, you're free.

556
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: It's like the ceiling has been taken off.

557
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: That's a great insight. I'm glad it came across. You know,

558
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: you don't know these things. And it was one of

559
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: those that was one of those scenes where everything don

560
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: was doing was was doing that she was delivering in

561
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: such a way that was like cracking open those things.

562
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: Like you said, we've all had. I think most people

563
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: have had that moment where they're like, yeah, they're buried

564
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: under something and finally someone sets you free by going

565
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: you're imagining that it's the opposite. Yeah, and your mind's low.

566
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: And for Jamie that's beyond more than just his ego.

567
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: That could mean his whole livelihood. Everything he wanted, which

568
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: is to really be away from them and be powerful

569
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: in his own right, was just sitting there waiting because, Oh,

570
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: the guy I was afraid of is actually afraid of me.

571
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Oh I'm strong, Oh I'm smart.

572
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Right, if I may briefly step outside the world of Yellowstone,

573
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: if I dare step outside the world of Yellstone Wes,

574
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: what's up man? How you doing? What are you excited about?

575
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: I want people to know, people know you as Jamie

576
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: and people have a relationship to you as Jamie, and

577
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I guess I just also want to make sure that

578
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the audience out there gets to know and love you

579
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: the way that we do as a person of many dimensions.

580
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Yes all two of them. I like acting and I

581
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: like soccer. No one was hearing me talk about soccer,

582
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: but yes, I love soccer. I'm surprised when I meet

583
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: fans or people who know me that they they're surprised

584
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: that I smile and laugh and make jokes. But it's

585
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: also one of the best parts of this job because

586
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: I realize I'm doing my job if they think that,

587
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: because that's that is me most of the time. I

588
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: love to you know, I started in acting as a

589
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: loving improv comedy, so we did I did improv competitions

590
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: with my with some buddies. They were really good and

591
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: funnier than me, but that you know, I my first

592
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: thrill was making people laugh. I love doing that on set,

593
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, having a good laugh with everybody, especially on

594
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: it on a heavy day, if it's not too distracting

595
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: to to just just to let remind ourselves that we're

596
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: people and all that. And but yeah, man, I'm also

597
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: I love being a dad, you know, Like I have

598
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: two great kids who are at great ages twelve and eight,

599
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: and they're very active, and I'm very active. I get

600
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: out and I play soccer a lot. I mean a

601
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: lot of different people over the world. I don't tend

602
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: to play pickup games wherever I go, just because it's

603
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: not just soccer. It's culture too. It's it's it's neighborhoods,

604
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: it's it's families, it's you know, it's all that. So yeah, again,

605
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: I mean those are a couple of my things. I

606
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: love being active, and I think it's just surprising when

607
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: people see me actually laugh and smile and make a joke.

608
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: So Whatjen was talking earlier about the kind of disconnect

609
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: between Teeter and Gin and how strange it is, which

610
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: is huge, by the way, Yeah, people sometimes don't recognize

611
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: her because you know, it's such a transformative performance. And

612
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: Jamie's the same way, Like the scowl and the furrowed

613
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: brow is the weight.

614
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: That character change holds.

615
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: When I see you outside the world of that, it

616
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: is you. You have just sort of effervescent lightness to you.

617
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: You know, Thanks man, you too YouTube, but you don't

618
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: have to do all the scowling. You can bring it

619
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: to the work.

620
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: I just get to be a fucking idiot all the time.

621
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: That's fun though, That's fun.

622
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

623
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: And by the way, Jen, you're amazing. I love watching

624
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: both of you are amazing. But you know you're both

625
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: so transformative. And Jefferson, what a path for Jimmy that

626
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: I think people are just loving. And my brother, by

627
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: the way, I've told you just before, he's you're still

628
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: his favorite character, and I'm trying so hard to win

629
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: him over, but he just doesn't like me as much

630
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: as you.

631
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: And you know, in my life really likes Rip. You know,

632
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's favorite character, my mom's favorite characters, Rip. My

633
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: grandma you know, calls me to check in on Rip.

634
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: Oh my my nieces, well, one of my nieces told

635
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: me that Beth's her hero, which is a really complicated

636
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: feeling for Wes and Jamie to go through.

637
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Wes, yay, Wes, besides I mean soccer and being hilario

638
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: and I can vouch that you are actually genuinely one

639
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: of the funniest people on set in the whole three

640
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: times we've gotten to be in the same room together

641
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: while we go off to shoot. Yeah, like different scenes.

642
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: When I ran into in Hamilton, Miss Year, we were

643
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: talking about horseback riding, and I was, I don't know

644
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: if the fans know that you came into the show

645
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: with more riding prowess than a lot of the other actors,

646
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: and the audience never gets to see that.

647
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean never, And it's kind of like a pointy can.

648
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: Like you know, I grew up watching westerns with my dad.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do westerns like that was kind of

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Speaker 3: one of my goals. I mean, that's things changed. But

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Speaker 3: so when I you know, and especially with Taylor's stuff.

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Speaker 3: I was really excited about Taylor stuff before I met

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Speaker 3: him and had asked to work on his thing. And

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Speaker 3: then yeah, you want to be in Western with Taylor Sheridan, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I do. Where's my horse? What a suit?

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Speaker 1: A huh?

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Speaker 3: They're riding horses because you know, we went off the

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Speaker 3: cowboy camp and you know a few of the guys

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Speaker 3: never rode and and I had horses and I rode,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, Jefferson was one of my but you're not

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Speaker 3: supposed to have been written stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny, but I feel like this is so

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Speaker 1: dramaturgically valid because you poor Wes is stuck, just like

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Speaker 1: Jamie is kind of ripped away from the ranch, sent

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Speaker 1: off to Harvard Law when he's a kid, kept away

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Speaker 1: from this beautiful cathartic You know how much real estate

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Speaker 1: in Yellowstone is spent talking about the beautiful experience of

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Speaker 1: riding out in nature, and Jamie never gets to touch.

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Speaker 1: Jamie is sort of.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, ke is cage. I know that I get

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Speaker 3: to read these amazing scenes where how you guys just

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Speaker 3: wax poetic about yeah, like you said, Montana and the beauty.

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Speaker 3: I'm flipping through his pages like, wow, that's going to

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Speaker 3: be a beautiful scene. And I turn it and all

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Speaker 3: I see is a someone's dragging me down the hallway,

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Speaker 3: kicking me in the face, and I'm crying. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: shit real.

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Speaker 1: Jamie sits sad.

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Speaker 3: No snacks on set that day, no other beneficial but

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Speaker 3: they just keep piling on to make it miserab.

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Speaker 1: Where is it incredibly tight tie, you know, barely swallow.

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Speaker 3: You know what's crazy too, is these horses are some

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Speaker 3: of the best horses I will ever get a chance

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Speaker 3: to ride, because they are They're not just regular set horses, right,

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Speaker 3: you guys know you're the ones who have to ride them.

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Speaker 3: They are award winning, like crazy trained horses, and so

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Speaker 3: that made it especially exciting, especially when were like learning

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Speaker 3: how to cut, Like I got really into cutting. I

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Speaker 3: thought I was pretty good at it. It seemed like

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00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: they said I was good. To the point where I

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00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: was telling Jim when we ran into each other, was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll maybe go do this competition. It didn't work out

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Speaker 3: for me, but I love all that stuff. Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: was really really bumped, and to the point where I

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Speaker 3: won't even go ride, you know, on my off days

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Speaker 3: because it just don't want to get the hopes up

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Speaker 3: or whatever that you know, this might change. I think

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Speaker 3: my ship sailed though, Wes.

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Speaker 1: As always, it is an absolute joy to speak with you.

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Speaker 1: We feel so so grateful for your time. You're one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite actors in the world. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: five years of this incredible performance. Thanks for five years

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Speaker 1: of your friendship. I treasure it dearly.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much, And that's really nice to you.

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Speaker 2: Wes Bentley. You are one of my favorite people, and

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to talk

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Speaker 2: to us today. And I can say from me and

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Speaker 2: the entire Yellowstone family. We cannot wait to see what

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Speaker 2: happens next.

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Speaker 1: It really is starting to line up like I don't

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Speaker 1: know how everybody could survive this. It's starting to feel

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Speaker 1: like somebody very close to us is not going to

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Speaker 1: survive this. But all is not lost. While we wait

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Speaker 1: for the second half of Yellowstone Season five, I am

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Speaker 1: so stoked to dig into the journey of nineteen teen

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Speaker 1: twenty three and the only Official Yellowstone podcast is going

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Speaker 1: to be right here with you the whole way.

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Speaker 2: That's right, So listeners, do not forget to subscribe and

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Speaker 2: listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. Thanks for being here, Bye guys.

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Speaker 1: The Official Yellowstone Podcast is a production of one oh

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Speaker 1: one Studios and Paramount. This episode was produced by Scott Stone.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Goetchis is the head of Audio for one oh

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Speaker 1: one Studios. Steve Rasis is the executive vice president of

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Speaker 1: the Paramount Global Podcast Group. Special thanks to Megan Marcus,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Westfall, Ainsley Rosito, Andrew Sarnow, Jason Red and Whitney

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Speaker 1: Baxter from Paramount, and of course David Glasser, David Huckin,

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Speaker 1: and Michelle Newman from one oh one Studios