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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars So I went

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Speaker 2: with dlphin kin Kate, who I don't really love, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, said, I don't feel great about it,

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Speaker 2: but I just feel like the ball has just.

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Speaker 1: Blind love of Josh Allen. That's all that. Everybody's getting

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Speaker 1: mad at me blindly hating Josh Allen. You're doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing but in the other eard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just doing to miiss you off. You like tonight, Alex?

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Speaker 2: The bills Bills? Oh you like the bills?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean under Mike mcdad Well, so

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Speaker 1: two things. One, Yeah, the Bills never went in Miami

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Speaker 1: because of the sun, like beating down on that bench.

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Speaker 1: They're among other teams, they're not alone in that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no sun tonight, So that helps the Bills also there,

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Speaker 1: that's a factor. Come on, we we in New England

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Speaker 1: know that as well as anybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then on top of that, Mike McDaniel against

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Speaker 1: teams that over five hundred and yes, I do believe

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Speaker 1: the Bills will finish the season over five hundred believe

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Speaker 1: it or not. Yeah, Mike McDaniel against teams that finished

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Speaker 1: the season over five hundred five and ten, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: beat good teams.

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Speaker 2: That's why early season Bills they're good. That's why I

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Speaker 2: picked the Bills in our picks. Patriot's Unfiltered is because

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Speaker 2: of McDaniel against cause you.

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Speaker 1: Got annoyed me earlier in locker room for having that take.

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Speaker 2: I know, because you know I like the cool stuff

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Speaker 2: that Miami does. But just really quickly on McDaniel's I know, McDaniel,

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Speaker 2: I know this is not Dolphins on catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I promise we'll we'll get to Patriots here in a second.

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Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of head coaches in the

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Speaker 2: NFL that are just like he. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: how to say this, because I want to be careful

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Speaker 2: like he. It likes to go out on the town

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Speaker 2: quite a bit when we're in He enjoys life. When

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Speaker 2: we're in Indied in the combine, you can always find

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Speaker 2: he's not alone in that Mike McDaniel around Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: just it's on my radar. Of like, is he really

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Speaker 2: taking it seriously? Well, I see, yeah, I don't need

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Speaker 2: with all this stuff that's going on. You know, they

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Speaker 2: haven't won a playoff game yet, Like you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: just I'm just thinking, oh loud, how Probably shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: How about you forget that taking it seriously? How about

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Speaker 1: when he couldn't get a play calling in a playoff

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Speaker 1: game that was against the Bills. Actually I think that

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Speaker 1: was against the Bills, right, Uh that came out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that was his first year they had what

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Speaker 1: for delay games or should have had without timeouts, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: guy can't get a play call. And I don't need

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Speaker 1: to know what he's doing off the field to know

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Speaker 1: he's not taking it seriously.

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Speaker 2: All right. Hey, hey Patriots fans, if you want to

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Speaker 2: Alex Barth with you here. I didn't even say our

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Speaker 2: names or the name of the show or anything like.

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Speaker 1: I like this because I've read in I've always said,

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Speaker 1: going back to our previous podcast, our podcast isn't so

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Speaker 1: much a show as much as it is just hitting recording,

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Speaker 1: continuing the conversation we were having. And I think we've

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Speaker 1: done this the last few weeks. Yeah, where you just

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Speaker 1: kind of opened the show with what I mean, before

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Speaker 1: playing pop worn or football. That's true, and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about Mike McDaniel about an hour ago. It's really

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Speaker 2: That's very true. That's very true. But we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about some Patriots begles here at the top of

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Speaker 2: the show, and we'll obviously get into Seattle and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk take your calls and all that good stuff. But

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Speaker 2: my opening monologue, my opening take of the show here today,

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Speaker 2: I want to go glass half full, glass half empty,

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Speaker 2: not just saying this because you know I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: the Patriots have gotten a lot of flowers this week

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Speaker 2: for winning in Cincinnati. They've gotten a lot of those

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Speaker 2: verbal bouquets from people that do our line of work,

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Speaker 2: a lot of credit for winning in Cincinnati. I'm all

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Speaker 2: all those types of things. My glass half empty, are

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Speaker 2: half full? Excuse me, glass half full?

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Speaker 2: I was listening to Julian Edelman in a clip that

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Speaker 2: on with Colin Coward when he said this, the glass

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Speaker 2: half full of what they did on Sunday in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: is that everything that Gerrod Mayo in this coaching staff

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Speaker 2: the way back to the spring fundamentals, don't beat yourselves,

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Speaker 2: be the more physical football team, conditioning, like all these

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Speaker 2: the fruits of the labor all showed up on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: They were the more prepared team. They won the line

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Speaker 2: Mayo's life now moving forward a tiny bit easier because

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Speaker 2: now there there's buying, like now you understand, oh, like validation.

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Speaker 2: There's validation exactly like what they're selling. We're actually buying

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Speaker 2: now because we won a game playing this way.

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Speaker 2: It worked, and that's big for this team. I want

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Speaker 2: some of my grievances, like that's truly is big for

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Speaker 2: of girod Mayo's football team physicality, run first offense, really

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Speaker 2: sound team. All those boxes were checked on Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that works. And I make your

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Speaker 2: So my glass half empty to it is this. I

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Speaker 2: basically Jacob Brissett's stat line from the game on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: there are thirty two such instances in the league over

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Speaker 1: Funny, we have a big TV up here that has

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Speaker 1: language as he's delivering what I'm sure is the same

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Speaker 2: So do you think this was the not to cut

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's their best punch because it's week one,

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Speaker 1: and I still think they're figuring a lot out. But

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Speaker 1: I think you saw a team that like it's I

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Speaker 1: in week one. There were things that will and we'll

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Speaker 1: it's not apples for apples like that best punch take.

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Speaker 1: But I remember thinking that, like this was a team

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Speaker 1: wanted to win for him, They wanted to make a statement.

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Speaker 1: They did be knocked all off season, like they came

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Speaker 1: out and played this like it was their super Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Because Jacoby Brussett's pressure to Zach Rate was extremely impressive

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Speaker 2: then I'll go to my next thing. They used Caden Wallace.

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Speaker 2: I want to call it sixteen excluding Niel downs because

435
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 2: the two of them were kneel downs. Right, So they

436
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 2: use Caden Wallace as a tackle eligible sixteen times in

437
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Speaker 2: this game. They threw one pass with Caden Wallace on

438
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Speaker 2: the field. If you ask me, when you have a

439
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: bad offensive line and you can't drop back pass because

440
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 2: you can't pass protect, why wouldn't you try to push

441
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 2: the ball down the field with six offensive linemen on

442
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Speaker 2: the field, right, Like that goes hand in hand to me. Now,

443
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Speaker 2: do I know how many times Jacoubersett checked out of

444
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Speaker 2: a pass into a run or No? I don't know

445
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: the answer to that, right, that could have happened a

446
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Speaker 2: couple of times. But that, to me, is there that's

447
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 2: their answer, Like, let's go six to seven man protection.

448
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: Why don't you put Candaen Wallace on the field. Maybe

449
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: you leave the back endto Blitzkin, maybe you leave the

450
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: tight end in Also, now you have seven guys in

451
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Speaker 2: pass protection, you send a couple guys into the raws.

452
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Speaker 1: Too many because if you're leaving the back in with

453
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Speaker 1: Kayden Walls and a tight end. You only two receivers,

454
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Speaker 1: now you would do one or the other. Oh, put

455
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Speaker 1: the back and the tight end.

456
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Speaker 2: Someone's got to do be the checked out, right, So

457
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Speaker 2: if you want the tight end to be the checkdown, fine,

458
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: If you want the back to be the tight the checkdown, fine,

459
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Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily matter which one. The point being, that's

460
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Speaker 2: how I feel like they can actually generate some deep

461
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: pass attempts is by six seven man protections, play action

462
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Speaker 2: off of the run game, load up the protection, send

463
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Speaker 2: two guys down the field and hope somebody gets open.

464
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Speaker 1: And then eventually, you know, if that works enough times

465
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Speaker 1: you leave Kaden Wallace out in the flat and oh yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: he runs for a chunk.

467
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Speaker 2: I'm good with that. I'm good with that, you know,

468
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm all for like a little trickery. But the

469
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Speaker 2: big thing is is that drop back passing standard like

470
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Speaker 2: five man protect drop back passing is going to be

471
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Speaker 2: tough for this football team. They're gonna have to do

472
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Speaker 2: it on third down. You hope that it's like third

473
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: and five and they can get six yards and we

474
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Speaker 2: keep playing.

475
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Speaker 1: Well, that's if they did one thing really well in

476
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Speaker 1: Week one that I do think can translate. Yeah, moving forward,

477
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Speaker 1: they did an excellent job of staying ahead of schedule. Yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: because we've seen the past years, right, second and eight

479
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 1: are off of penalty first and fifteen.

480
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Speaker 2: Well, the big thing was the lack of penalties. It's

481
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Speaker 2: like that, it's a huge to contribute to that.

482
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Speaker 1: No, but even even on first down, so they they're average.

483
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Speaker 1: I have the number somewhere here. I know the rankings.

484
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Speaker 1: They were eleventh in the NFL in average yards to

485
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Speaker 1: go on second down in week one. This was before

486
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Speaker 1: Monday Night football, but you get the idea. Here we go. Yep,

487
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: first down, their average distance to go is nine point

488
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Speaker 1: seven yards, so that they were actually helped by penalties

489
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Speaker 1: rather than hurt. Second down average distance to go seven

490
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Speaker 1: point three. That was tied for tenth in the league.

491
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Speaker 1: So they were top ten in the league in yards

492
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Speaker 1: gained on first down third down six point one yards

493
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Speaker 1: to go. That was the fourth shortest distance in the NFL.

494
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Speaker 1: They stayed ahead of schedule, and the run game was

495
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Speaker 1: a big part of that. But they stayed ahead of schedule.

496
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Speaker 1: They didn't take negative plays, they didn't take penalties, they

497
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Speaker 1: took what the defense was giving them on early downs

498
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Speaker 1: to set up manageable third downs. That is why they

499
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Speaker 1: had as much success as they did, and that is

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Speaker 1: something I actually think can carry over. And if they

501
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Speaker 1: are going to continue to build offensively, I don't think

502
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Speaker 1: it's going to do they need to add more chunk plays, yes, yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that that's going to make as

504
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: much of a difference as just consistently staying on schedule.

505
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, credits to the defense. The Bengals

506
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: actually had better had shorter distances to go on second

507
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Speaker 1: and third down than the Patriots and converted almost ten

508
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Speaker 1: percent less of the first downs. Yeah, so the defense

509
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Speaker 1: did well too. I just want to mix that in.

510
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Speaker 2: But no, they did.

511
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Speaker 1: They did a great job of staying on schedule, not

512
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Speaker 1: taking penalties, picking up legitimate game on first down, and

513
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Speaker 1: that really helped them.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It just if you watch all these offenses that

515
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Speaker 2: do this at a high run, this scheme at a

516
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Speaker 2: high level. You know, I'm you know, I'm not gonna

517
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: wax poetic about Kyle Shanahan too much, but Shanahan, Lafleoor, McVeigh, Stefanski,

518
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: so much of what they do well is play action,

519
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: and they just generate these big, big chunks off of

520
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: play action because they dress it up to marry it

521
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Speaker 2: to the run game. It all looks the same to

522
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Speaker 2: the defense, and then it doesn't, you know, it doesn't

523
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: end up playing out the same. So that's gonna be big.

524
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Speaker 2: This goes hand in hand with my third point. I

525
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Speaker 2: thought Jacobbers said played really well in this game. He's

526
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Speaker 2: on my upslist. Okay, I thought he played really well

527
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Speaker 2: in this game. He managed pressure extremely well. Not a

528
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Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks with a forty eight percent pressure rate

529
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Speaker 2: keep their head on their shoulders. Yeah, like that can

530
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Speaker 2: sometimes cause a lot of chaos like that, turnovers sped up,

531
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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. The one thing that I

532
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Speaker 2: nitpicked a little bit about this film, what jacobber said,

533
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: was a lack of aggressiveness pushing the ball down the field.

534
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Speaker 2: I asked Van Pelt about this, and I'll get to

535
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: that in a second. I thought he gave a good

536
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: answer to it. But just statistically, he attempted two passes,

537
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: not over twenty yards, over fifteen yards in the entire game.

538
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: Two passes over fifteen the entire game. He only threw

539
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Speaker 2: past the sticks thirty three percent of the time. Isn't

540
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Speaker 2: that wild?

541
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Speaker 1: Thirty three percent of the time passed the sticks? Yeah,

542
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Speaker 1: I mean I think some of that though, doesn't some

543
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Speaker 1: of that have to be just the pressure he was facing?

544
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Speaker 1: How many opportunities did he really hear? Some of it

545
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Speaker 1: was pushed the ball down.

546
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Speaker 2: But there was probably three or four times on the

547
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Speaker 2: film where I felt like he could have and passed

548
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: up those opportunities. That's what Van Pelt I asked him

549
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Speaker 2: about this morning, and he said that it was more

550
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Speaker 2: about game situation. He mentioned a third down play in

551
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Speaker 2: the red zone that I posted to my Twitter circling

552
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk. He was open on the play if you

553
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Speaker 2: guys want to just look at it, But was that

554
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: the one you sent me? Yeah, there's three open guys

555
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: for touchdowns, and he doesn't throw any of the routs.

556
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: He said, in that situation that you have a field goal, like,

557
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: you have three points, you have the lead, Like, that's

558
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: more just about risk reward at that point. And I

559
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: can kind of live with that answer, like I understand

560
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: where they're coming from with that, But the point being,

561
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Speaker 2: in future weeks, as soon as even maybe Sunday, you

562
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: can't afford to pass up opportunities for more points, right,

563
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: Like you aren't going to be able to win games

564
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: scoring sixteen points every single week. So his lack of

565
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: Jacoby's lack of aggressiveness or like lack of willingness to

566
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Speaker 2: push the ball into some tighter windows down the field.

567
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: He really managed this game. Yeah, and that you can

568
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: say that as a positive, and you can also look

569
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Speaker 2: at some of the negative sides of that as well.

570
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you saw one why he's starting

571
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: over Drake May and just why they brought him in

572
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: big picture, like how he fits in the mold of

573
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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. I thought he was calm,

574
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Speaker 1: I thought he was controlled. The big surprise for me

575
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: was what he did with his legs. Not a guy

576
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Speaker 1: that you think of is really being that effective as

577
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: a runner. But scrambled four times three for first downs,

578
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: was able to extend some plays and get throws off

579
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: on the run. Nothing over the top, nothing you know, explosive.

580
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: But he didn't cost him the game, right. He was

581
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: a net neutral quarterback. You know how much I love

582
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: that term. That was textbook net neutral quarterback. They didn't

583
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: win the game because of him. But they didn't lose

584
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: the game because of them, and they were more concerned

585
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: with the second thing there than the first thing.

586
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if that holds up, Like, if they're

587
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: able to do that at a high level like that,

588
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: that's tough. Last little nitpick, and then we can do

589
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: our three up, three down, and we'll open up the

590
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: phone lines and everything. Yeah, little nitpick.

591
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Speaker 1: What would it be? Would a Patriots win be without

592
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Evan nitpicking?

593
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? He gotta nippick some things because these are things

594
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: that I just they gotta be better at. Yeah, they

595
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: gotta stack these things. They have a good they laid

596
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: a good foundation. But the foundation of the house isn't

597
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: the the finished.

598
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Speaker 1: You were right last year, Mac Jones through for three

599
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I came all in here, all excited, and

600
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: you just tore them a new one and you were

601
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: right about that pick away. But the foundation to take

602
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: a victory lap on that all week, the foundation of

603
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: the house is there. Yeah, we see the I see

604
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: the vision. I see the foundation.

605
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about like the sub zero appliances right

606
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: like in the Viking stoves, Like let's get the fancy

607
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: stuff going now. Yeah, right, Like that's what we're talking.

608
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: About, Drake May. I think you're more just talking about

609
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: the foundations up. Now, let's get like walls and doors

610
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: and windows.

611
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, that's probably better. Let's get those

612
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: nice windows, little tint.

613
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: On the foundation. You build a house on top of

614
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Speaker 1: the foundation.

615
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: Well I know that, but I was probably two steps in.

616
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, like there's another step in between there. Yeah,

617
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: you're right, So let's meet Drake. Drake May. Is that

618
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: when you're wheeling the seventy five inch TV with surround sound,

619
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Speaker 1: you know, speakers built into the couch, you got the

620
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: fridge built into the couch. This is a good take

621
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Speaker 1: you can get from like the great couches you can

622
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: get from Bobs's count I should have just segued right

623
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: into that read, but tried. I gotta get I gotta

624
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: get my thought out first before I forget it. Books.

625
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: The Run Game. Loved the Run Game. Loved what Remandre

626
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: did there. They were overly simplistic in this game. And

627
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: I'll give it to them that it was week one,

628
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: so maybe this was just let's get this out there.

629
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Speaker 2: We're not ready for Alex van Pelt. You know, graduate

630
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: level course, yet we're still an intro level classes right now.

631
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: But a lot of the situations I felt like where

632
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: Remandre had to truly create yards after contact were because

633
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: of the lack of like bells and whistles and eye

634
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: candy in this offense. They were duo, gap, duo whatever

635
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: you want to call it, Like double teams on the

636
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: inside and we're just coming right at you right and

637
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: that that can work, especially when you have a really

638
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: good running back like Remandre who's really good at creating

639
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: guards after contact. But some of the things I would

640
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: like to see moving forward a little bit more motion.

641
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: Like the one thing that you see all game long

642
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: under duo concepts, the corner to the place side was

643
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: just like sitting there unblocked right, you could see it.

644
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: Remandre was really good at breaking that tackle like that

645
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: was a big part of his yards after contact totals

646
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: was breaking poor Dax Hill like couldn't tackle the guy right.

647
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: If you add like a little bit of like jet

648
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: or orbit to that side of the field, Now Dax

649
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: Hill's got a widen at the snap and he kind

650
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: of gets out of that gap a little bit by

651
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: the motion. Like these are the little things that I

652
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: just would like to see when you turn on For example,

653
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: Seattle's run game from last week. They had a good

654
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: running game too with Kenneth Walker. There's a lot more

655
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: complexity to their run game. It's a lot the design

656
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: of it is a lot more sophisticated. This was old

657
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: school football from Alex van Pelt. This was lined up

658
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: duo blocks on the inside were running downhill. Ask you

659
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: and you can't stop us. That's cool like that. I

660
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: like that mentality. I like all of that. That's not

661
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: going to get it against better defensive lines, Like you

662
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: try to do that against the Jets in a couple

663
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: of weeks and you just try to run over Quinn Williams, Like,

664
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: good luck. Like that's not going to happen. It's not

665
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: going to work. They have to disguise things or you know,

666
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: motion things a little bit better, design it a little

667
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: bit more sophisticated. Also, like can we not seven step

668
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: drop from under center anymore? Please? Like what come back

669
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: to us, Alex vanpel This isn't nineteen ninety one, Like

670
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: can we throw that stuff out the door? I just

671
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: felt some of this thing, the stuff that they did

672
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: was a little archaic. It was a little outdated.

673
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: Well it's weak one. Like you said, they're building up

674
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: towards something.

675
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: All right, am? I is that good enough?

676
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: Like?

677
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Like did I say enough positive things and negative things?

678
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: Like I didn't want to be too negative? Like they

679
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: did win the game like last year, at least they

680
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: didn't win the game, you.

681
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Know, right? Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fair?

682
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: All right, good enough? Okay, let's do three up, three down?

683
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: Right?

684
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: You can start your number one up.

685
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: My number one up was I. I had like ties

686
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: for number one, but I guess I'll go. I'll go

687
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: with my one for defense. I'd won offense one defense.

688
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna start offense. So I was ke

689
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: On White?

690
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: What gave you that? Away?

691
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 4: Yea?

692
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Keon White was so freaking good in this game. Yeah,

693
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: And I was one of the people sitting here saying,

694
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna generate an early down

695
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: pass rush. I don't know how they're gonna generate a

696
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: pass rusch nowt blitzing. I like Keon White, but I

697
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: don't know that he's that like dynamic pass rusher. Wrong wrong, wrong,

698
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: wrong wrong. At least based on that game, he was

699
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: rushing for different spots the toolbox has gotten much deeper,

700
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: much deeper, I think than it was last year. We

701
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: saw a little more speed, Yeah, more quickness from him.

702
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: I feel like two and a half sacks almost under

703
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: sells the effort he ultimately had, the impact he put

704
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: in on this game. If they're gonna be the top

705
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: ten unit we thought they might be when they had

706
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon, when they had Christian Barmore, if they're gonna

707
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: get back to that, this is the kind of player

708
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: they need ke On White to be.

709
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't agree more. He is now a Tuesday player,

710
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: which is good for the Patriots because they needed somebody

711
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: on the defensive front to develop into a Tuesday player

712
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: without Christian Barmore and after the Judean trade. To me,

713
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: he is now the guy that other teams are gonna

714
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: have to worry about, Like they're gonna have to game

715
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: plan for him. Now they're gonna have to have him

716
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: circled in the game plan meetings.

717
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

718
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: The one that stood out to everybody, and I'm sure

719
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: it stood out to you as well, was the rush

720
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: on Trent Brown on his first sack. Like that, to me,

721
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: is not something he had in his back.

722
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: That's exactly what toolbox.

723
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the double swipe rushing from a two point

724
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: stance up on his feet, go right around him. I'm

725
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: still hesitation in there inside. Has he double swipe go

726
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: right around the tackle sack like that? That was not

727
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: in his his wheelbox, his wheelbox, his toolbox last year.

728
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: So that that was some of the things I wrote

729
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: about Key on going into the season. I had a

730
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: conversation with him about his summer and some of the

731
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: things that he had talked about were working on that specifically,

732
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: like can I be a better stand up edge rusher

733
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: because he knows that he can rush with his hand

734
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: in the dirt over the guard. He's trying to be

735
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: better in that regard outside the tackle, and he was.

736
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: He was on that play.

737
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really good.

738
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: He was nine.

739
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Number two, okay, number one was Remondra. Yeah, yeah, I

740
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: had him his number one two, Remondre.

741
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: This was like Marshawn Lynch beast mode type stuff, like

742
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: just running over dudes, joking dudes. The rush that he

743
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: had on the last drive of the game where there's

744
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: two guys in the backfield and have him dead to

745
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: rights and he somehow gets out is unreal, like just

746
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: an unbelievable run one hundred and eighteen after contact, ten

747
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: forced miss tackles in this game just phenomenal. I mean

748
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: one of his best game of was a pro.

749
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: Would you say he made a difference, made a difference

750
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: in this one? Certainly you would say the running back

751
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: made a difference. I just want to get it on

752
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: the record. Okay, he did. Yeah, he was really freaking

753
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: good in this game, which I'd say, Look what happens

754
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: when this guy comes in like rested. Yeah, look what

755
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: happens when this guy is ready to go and he's

756
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna take hits over the course of the season. He's

757
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: not gonna be that all year. But look what happens

758
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: when you give this guy a chance to be more

759
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: than just a bowling ball.

760
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Ye, your point?

761
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean game breaker yesterday he had a veteran rest

762
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: day and practice.

763
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Love that. Love that, Like he's your belcow running back.

764
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna get the ball a ton this year. He

765
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: doesn't need to practice on Wednesdays. Like love it. Let

766
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: him watch practice from the side, Give the reps to

767
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris or Terrell Jennings on the practice squad, and

768
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: let's roll on Sunday reminder. I mean this was his

769
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: best game as.

770
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: A pro, So I will say this now now, and

771
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: you know I have to bring it back to this. Yeah,

772
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: he had including his he had three catches in this

773
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: game as well, so you factor those in.

774
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: Oh, here comes the volume issues.

775
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: He had twenty eight touches in this game.

776
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Last year, Christian McCaffrey, where's my I gotta find the

778
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: number here? Sorry, Last year Christian McCaffrey led the NFL

779
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: in touches or at least touches per game. Yeah, which

780
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: was at I thought I had it written here. It

781
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: was like twenty one to twenty two touches per game. Yeah,

782
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: so this was an excessive, excessive workload from ramondre Stevenson. Yep,

783
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: how do you balance it now to make sure you

784
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: keep getting that guy and he doesn't get worn down

785
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: too early without kind of handicapping your offense by not

786
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: having him. Now, Antonio Gibson went into this game banged up.

787
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: So and it's also the kind of game this is

788
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: also part of that take. There are gonna be games

789
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: when you want to give rimanre Stevenson thirty touches because

790
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: it's a close game. He's feeling it, you're gonna ride

791
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: him to the win. You want to have the opportunity

792
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: to do that. If this week that off, the game

793
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't set up like that. Can you get Antonio

794
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Gibson some more work, whatever. But honestly, that game, to

795
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: me is exactly why I feel so strongly about this,

796
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: because when he's not coming off a thirty touch game,

797
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: when he's not worn down by Thanksgiving, and he can

798
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: actually play his level of ball, he's a game breaker.

799
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: But that's just the nature of the running back position.

800
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: This is something that the Titans went through with Dereck Henry,

801
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went through a Zeke. Pretty much any dominant

802
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: running back in the last ten years had this kind

803
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: of experienced. Nick Jeffs another one. How do you make

804
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: sure you're getting the most out of these guys over

805
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: the course of a seventeen game season, not just week

806
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: to week. That's what the Patriots are gonna have to

807
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: figure out now, because as we saw again, this isn't

808
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: to take anything away from his performances to emphasize it. Yea,

809
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: that is how important of a player he is, and

810
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: that is what he can give you when he's on

811
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: and as the rest of the offense picks up and

812
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: you can kind of supplement what he's your compliment what

813
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: he's doing with the pass game, or maybe get Antonio

814
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Gibson going that will only help. But he's a game breaker.

815
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: You got to take care of him.

816
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 2: So just two things quickly. Yeah, Number one on that point,

817
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: if they're gonna run as much duo blocking as they did,

818
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: they just straight downhill man demand power running, then I

819
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: do feel like Kevin Harris or Terrell Jennings can just

820
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: do that just fine. Yeah, in a game like for

821
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: five to ten carries a game like maybe that's just

822
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: not Gibson's style of play, Like I don't think he

823
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: looked at home running those types of concepts in this

824
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: game last week. I know he was banged up. I

825
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind like certain games where you call one of

826
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: those guys up from the practice squad for the week

827
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: and maybe eight of the ca go to Kevin Harris

828
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: that week instead of att to Remandre. Just doing the

829
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: quick math and sample size alert like one game is

830
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: not how we should be doing this. But that's four

831
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy six touches for the entire Sea.

832
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: So I pulled it up. McCaffrey actually missed a game

833
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: last year, it still led the NFL and touches. Yeah,

834
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: so what was the number you had for seventy six?

835
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: So McCaffrey last year led the NFL with three thirty nine. Yeah,

836
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: where I mean, obviously he's not gonna get twenty eight

837
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: every single right, But so McCaffrey last year twenty one

838
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: touches game. But the point is, don't let it be Okay,

839
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: We're just gonna keep going till he gets hurt, Like, yeah,

840
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: try to get that number down while he's still effective.

841
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, at number two, there's you. You made fun of

842
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: me about running backs mattering, right, Yeah, So there's only

843
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: like a handful of running backs in the league that

844
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: I would say truly, Matt. You've always said there's two McCaffrey, yeap.

845
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: Who was the other one?

846
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Camara?

847
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Camara? Yeah, McCaffrey Kamara, And you only.

848
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: Said they mattered because their pass catching with Stevenson did

849
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: not do a lot of in this game.

850
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty close to adding Saquon Barkley to that

851
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: list too, I think, especially with what he did last

852
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: week Againstuff, you know, with the big breakout, I mean.

853
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: Can you retroactively add Derick Henry yet?

854
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Derreck Henry like five years ago, Like,

855
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to count Dereck Henry now, I know,

856
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: but you.

857
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: This is how this came up. You said Derek Henry

858
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't really matter, okay because he didn't catch the ball.

859
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, probably just ribbing you for that, I know,

860
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: but now, okay, So I'm willing to get three right

861
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: now in the league. Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, I'm

862
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: almost there with putting Ramondre Stevenson on this list. I'm

863
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: almost there. Like he did a context of what this

864
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: offense is. How can you not Yeah, he was a

865
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: one man show on Sunday. He was the offense. He

866
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: put the offense on his back.

867
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: If if people haven't listened to us for like a

868
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: few years, if you're new to the show, that's a

869
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: huge moment. Evan admitting that I just want to let like,

870
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that there is a better way to

871
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: compliment the effort Ramon Stevenson put forth the impact he

872
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: had on that game than Evan saying this guy mattered.

873
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: He mattered there really is. That's a big I don't

874
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: know that.

875
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: Eble Ever, you might not even compliment Josh Allen that

876
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: much as much as you just complimented your Stevenson in

877
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: your own way.

878
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: You know how excited I am for tonight though, Josh Allen,

879
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: you know it this September number three? Third up? Who

880
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: you got number three?

881
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: All right? So we both had one and two. Key

882
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: On White were probably gonna the same one again, Christian Zalez,

883
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: I almost did, but I I okay. God, So Christian

884
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Zalez has looking back at Christian Zalz's camp, Yeah, where

885
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: we were like, ah, it's disappointing. We got way too

886
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: care with these cornerbacks. Man.

887
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

888
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Remember we we figured this out with Alex Austin last week,

889
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: like he's a fine player. We just we went into

890
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: camp wanting Christian Zalez to be prime to Rowritas and

891
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: that was just never gonna happen, especially not in training camp.

892
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: For him to come out and do what he did

893
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: against Jamar Chase. Was it three catches fourteen yards?

894
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: Right?

895
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty routes twenty routes. Yeah, that's a hell

896
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: of a performance.

897
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

898
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: And he's now done it against a J. Brown, against

899
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, against Garrett Wilson, Tyre Tyreek Hill. Yeah for

900
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: a quarter. Yeah, he comes out and does it against

901
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf next week. Oh boy, Like here we go.

902
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: What a validating performance from him. And it kind of

903
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: like I said with Keon White, and I said this

904
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: before the season, if they want to get back to

905
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: the kind of defense they were supposed to be with

906
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: Christian Ballmore in the lineup, with Matthew Judon in the lineup,

907
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about the sophomores taking the year two

908
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: jump and can Christian Zalees or Keon White turn into

909
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: blue chip players? They both looked like blue chip players

910
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday.

911
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point because to me, with Christian

912
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: Zales and I I would have him as like three

913
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: b you know, you.

914
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Know I'm gonna do one more. I'm gonna put ke

915
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: White Christiansolz together. Is the defensive sophomores. Ye'll give me

916
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: one more, Okay, So I'm gonna put them together. I

917
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: think the thing that stands out the most about Christian Gonzales.

918
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: We've been covering the team now since eighteen and let's

919
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: take the OG's out.

920
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: Like Brady Gronkowski, Edelman like the Stefan gil More, like

921
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: all the guys we covered in the first couple of

922
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: years of our careers on the beat the Patriots in

923
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: this like post Brady era, Gonzalez is like the first

924
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: guy to me where I look at him and I'm like,

925
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: that's a that's a blue chip player. Like the athleticism,

926
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: the movement skill and coverage, like that's what it should

927
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: look like when you hit on a first round pick,

928
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they were really there with their

929
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: other first round picks in that time frame, you know,

930
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: obviously cold strange Mac Jones, like those guys didn't feel

931
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: like they truly had a blue chip player on their hands.

932
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez feels like that. The way that he plays

933
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: feels like that. He had some extremely high level coverage

934
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: reps in Manton Man on Jamar Chase in this game,

935
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: you mentioned the gauntlet that he's played so far, and

936
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: he's really gone head toe to toe with all those

937
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: guys and held his own.

938
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's absolutely that's what he by the way,

939
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: he used that term with me this week, the Gauntlet.

940
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible and I know it's you know, the

941
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: league and one this week that's the way the league is.

942
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: You know, the Garrett Wilson and then I Yuk probably

943
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: with the forty, like it's gonna be everyone.

944
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: But that's why. But that's why it's so important that

945
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: he become this level of player because if you have

946
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: somebody that can shut those guys down, it's it's the

947
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: ultimate like una reverse card in this modern NFL because

948
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: everything runs through that receiver. Everything runs whatever offense it is,

949
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: and it's gonna look different, but everything runs through that

950
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: receiver in the modern NFL. If you can erase that guy,

951
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: and this defense too, everything this defense is at its best.

952
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: We just talk about this all the time. Evan. You

953
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: put step On Gilmour over here on their on one

954
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: of their top receivers, and then you can play the

955
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: rest of the game ten on ten over here. Yeah,

956
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: And that's advantage Patriots every time. And Christian Zales gives

957
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: them a chance to play games ten on ten defensively.

958
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: Some of his coverage snaps that he has and Man,

959
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: I to keep referencing my own Twitter, but I know

960
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: people might want to see it visually.

961
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: You're going off in the locker room today about he

962
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: you don't tweet these anymore.

963
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Not all the time, but the individual ones on mondays,

964
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: I try to tweet some of my favorites from watching

965
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: the film. He had a rep against Chas and man

966
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: to man coverage where you be hard pressed to find

967
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: a better man to man rep than that one. And

968
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: the hip swivel that he had to change directions at

969
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: the top of the route was utterly disgusting.

970
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: Well, that's like, that was the whole thing in the draft.

971
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: We both got all hot and bothered after the combine

972
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: looking at that and saying, the way this guy moves

973
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: is different. The way he moves around the field, that

974
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: way he changes direction, do he changes speeds? Do he

975
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: flips his hips? The way he goes from the back

976
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: pedal to the sprint, like it's just all so flut.

977
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: He looks like he's ice skating out there. It's awesome

978
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: and it's great to see him back to it after

979
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: missing so much time last year. You went to one thing,

980
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: and I know we've been talking about him for a while,

981
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: so we'll move on here after this. But the one

982
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: thing that really stood out to me, and I know

983
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: he ran well the forty and everything, like he's a

984
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: lot faster in a straight line than I thought he

985
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: was coming out. And I loved him coming out, as

986
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, But like he's even faster than I thought,

987
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Like it is effortless for him to carry a vertical route,

988
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't even need to really try.

989
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the time, it's incredible. All right, let's

990
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: move on my third star, my third up, Jacoby Brissette.

991
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: I just thought that we have seen so many quarterbacks

992
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, mainly one sorry to

993
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: you know, throw the boy in Jacksonville under the bus,

994
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: But Trevor, when you have a pressure rate like that

995
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 2: forty eight percent, yeah, how many times have we seen

996
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: the game just completely unravel on mac Jones in that situation.

997
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: Kobe Brissett was the game manager that the Patriots needed

998
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, right Like he he did

999
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: what they were hoping mac Jones was going to be

1000
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: able to do for them. Didn't turn the ball over,

1001
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: no real catastrophic plays, like even the sack he took

1002
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: was like a half yard behind the line of scrimmage.

1003
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: His legs were a big impact in this game. Three

1004
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: first downs with scrambles. I would have liked to have

1005
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: seen him push the ball down the field a little

1006
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: bit more. That was my nitpick. But in Jim Mineral,

1007
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: he gave the game what it needed this week and

1008
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: he was really, really good. I thought that this was

1009
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: the best of Jacoby Brissett in a lot of ways.

1010
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it before, but he was exactly

1011
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: what they needed him to be. Yeah, he didn't lose

1012
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: them the game, and I think that's what you that's

1013
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: what really stands out.

1014
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: All right, you had one more right, yeah?

1015
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Special teams.

1016
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought, see this is why I thought

1017
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: you were going to take special teams. So I went

1018
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: with like, okay, yeah.

1019
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: Special teams. Well, I didn't want to do the thing

1020
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh the defensive sophomores, you know, too

1021
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: complicated special teams.

1022
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: So it starts.

1023
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: It starts with in your head, it starts with del

1024
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: Pettis leaving early on the kickoff and you're like, oh boy,

1025
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: here we go.

1026
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 2: It's going to be fifteen flags. Yeah.

1027
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: After that, masterclass special teams. Master Jeremy Springer excellent in

1028
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: every phase, kickoff, kick return, punting, punt returny of the

1029
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: long snapper, forcing a fumble. Brendon Schooler was great. Bryce

1030
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: bearing are No touchbacks three out of five inside the twenty.

1031
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: How nice is it not holding your breath on a

1032
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: thirty two yard field goal? Joey Slide Those three for

1033
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: three hit some big kicks there late in that game.

1034
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: They're if they're gonna win these games, they're gonna need

1035
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: to win on the margins. They're going to need better.

1036
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna need to be better in the parts of

1037
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: the game that the teams maybe don't focus on as much. Yeah,

1038
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: that's special teams. They don't win that game without that

1039
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: kind of special teams effort, agreed, And if they're gonna

1040
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: continue to win games, they need to continue to weigh

1041
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: up to play that way on special teams.

1042
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: This is a week where I'm gonna allow, without any snark,

1043
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: allow you to that sounded like smart to get that

1044
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: sound to give your special teams some flowers, Like I'm

1045
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: gonna allow you to do it. Brendan schooler twenty two

1046
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: miles an hour on the GPS, I mean that's impressive,

1047
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: Like that was moving.

1048
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

1049
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: They he's turning into like, you know, baby Matthew Slater right,

1050
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Like he's not Matthew Slater. I No one's Matthew Slater.

1051
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: But he's like, you know, in that category of special

1052
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: teams aces. Uh, he's he might be an impact player

1053
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: in the kicking game for them this year. And then

1054
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: you also look at Bill's guy Joe Cardona. How I

1055
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: on it right? How funny is that that he forces

1056
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: the fumble? Yeah? I mean, look, that's such a big

1057
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: part of this win.

1058
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

1059
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: In going back to like the expectations and all that

1060
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, how clean they were in all three phases.

1061
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, the penalties were down the big you know

1062
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: kind of brain farts, there were a lot of those

1063
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: special teams was sound throughout basically besides the Dell Pedica

1064
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: jump off sides like that. It was good. It was

1065
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 2: good for that unit. Not gonna lie. All right, let's

1066
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: go to the downs. I only have two Patriots downs,

1067
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: and then I have a wild card down the I

1068
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: have to I almost did scratch.

1069
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: I almost did the same thing as you, but I

1070
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: figured you were gonna do it for that third, So

1071
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I did. I have two players and then just a

1072
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: philosophical thing number one down the left tackles, you can

1073
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: just like put them together. I wanted to give Tucks

1074
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: a corps for his zone.

1075
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: He deserves his own place he played. He played six

1076
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: pass plays. He gave up three quarterback pressures in six

1077
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: pass plays. Yeah too, the quarter four Vederian Lowe gave

1078
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: up three himself. That most of the pressure. Four I

1079
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: had him for three. I had him for three quarterback

1080
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: hit and two.

1081
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: Her next gen had him at four on sixteen.

1082
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe that's probably we're in the same ballpark.

1083
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: Basically half the pressure came from the left tackle position alone.

1084
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: In terms of where it was coming from. Trey Hendrickson

1085
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: had a huge game. He had his way with those

1086
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 2: two guys. It's going to be a concern moving forward

1087
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: to the point where I think we're at the point

1088
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: now and I want to say this and just give

1089
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of leeway to Vidarian low because he

1090
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: really hadn't practiced for that.

1091
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: The thing I almost didn't want to put lows of

1092
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: down because he's hurt. Yeah, he had practice, came in

1093
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: and was not a total disaster. Where it's like the fact,

1094
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: it goes back to what I said at the beginning,

1095
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: highest pressure rate in the league, all but two yards

1096
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, efrict contact, and you still walked away saying, man,

1097
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: that could have been a lot worse right. So that's why,

1098
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: like Garian Lowe, it was what it was to me.

1099
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: It's just like the number one concern for this entire team.

1100
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: And we've been saying this for months, so it's nothing new.

1101
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: Is just left tackle like that's it's that spot, whether

1102
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: it's low it's a Corps four, it's Wallace, like whoever

1103
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: is playing that spot. Every week, it's gonna be the

1104
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: other team's top edge rusher against your left tackle is

1105
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: going to be a mismatch. And that's the concern level

1106
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: that I have there. I was surprised that they didn't

1107
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: send a ton of help towards Vederian Lowe. I wonder

1108
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: if that chip by the running back in the preseason

1109
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: that led to a sack maybe contributed to the fact

1110
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: that maybe he doesn't like getting help, you know, like

1111
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: maybe that that throws him off his technique a little bit,

1112
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: but chipping, putting the tight end over there, putting the

1113
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: extra offensive lineman over there, even just like the tight

1114
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: end as he goes into the route, just giving a

1115
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: little bit of a bump to the pass rusher on

1116
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 2: the way by to try to slow Bowie Maffi down

1117
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: or Trey hendrickson down last week could maybe help Adarian

1118
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: Low out a little bit. But when you give up

1119
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: fifty percent pressure rate, like in terms of the overall

1120
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: pressure number for the Patriots, when fifty percent of it

1121
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: comes from the left tackle spot, it's got to be

1122
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: on the downs.

1123
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and it's something that there. It's probably gonna

1124
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: who didn't. Wasn't there somebody a couple of years ago?

1125
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: It would have been last year, because no, two years

1126
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: ago we started the show, wasn't there somebody like, Oh

1127
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: it was Christian Barmer? Remember we retired him from ups

1128
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: because it was just like every every week. Yeah, we

1129
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: might end up retiring left tackle from downs at some

1130
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: point this season.

1131
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: You know, as an offensive line guy, it just I

1132
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: can't it just it grinds my gears so.

1133
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: Much as somebody and as a guy who believes in

1134
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: doing as much as he can to help the quarterback

1135
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: above all else, gears too.

1136
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: All right, who's your number one for? Okay, Joshua, you're okay,

1137
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

1138
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not that he get this overall terrible game.

1139
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1140
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: What bugged me is this is a guy that so

1141
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: ke on White part of What was so good about

1142
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: his game yea was he was able to be impactful

1143
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: on first and second down. Maybe could be better against

1144
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: the run, but played eighty percent of the snaps and

1145
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: didn't look out of place as a three down player.

1146
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: If you agree with me on that. Yeah, you got

1147
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: to run on a little bit, but it wasn't terrible.

1148
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: He didn't look out of place, like did he look

1149
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: out of place as a three down guy?

1150
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: Right?

1151
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: Joshua uch is a player who is here to play

1152
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: on third downs? Yeah, he is here to come in

1153
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: on third down, pin his ears back and go after

1154
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the quarterback. The very crucial stretch in this game, there's

1155
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: back to back third downs where he's one play where

1156
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: he blows contained allows Joe Burrow to run out of

1157
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: the pocket and convert a third in I think eight. Yeah,

1158
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: and then the next third down, so they go. Joe

1159
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Burrow converts it first, second, third and six, josh U

1160
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: j jumps off sides and then they get the third one.

1161
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: They pick it up on the ground. Can you come

1162
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: back for the less if you're josh Uja, come back

1163
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: for less money? You're betting on yourself. You know you're

1164
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: trying to show off that you can be this high

1165
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: level sub rusher, mistakes on third down is the last

1166
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: thing you can afford to be doing. So that just

1167
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: kind of stood out to me in this game.

1168
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: It's fair enough. You know, I had him with three

1169
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: hurries in this game, and on one of the sacks

1170
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 2: that was split between Bentley and and uh Keon White,

1171
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: it was his pressure that forced the quarterback.

1172
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Up in the box moments too. Was just again for

1173
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna make his money on third down,

1174
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: two negative third downs back to back, that it stood

1175
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: out to fair enough. I just think if you take

1176
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: him out of the pass rush, it's then it's really

1177
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: just Keon White who was getting pressure. Yeah, yeah, I

1178
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: would say big like. It's not to say they should

1179
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: play him less or anything. I don't mean to say that.

1180
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it was an observation I had.

1181
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: In the game. Fair enough. I won't go too long

1182
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: on this one because my number two down was is

1183
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: the downfield passing game that was non existent. I already

1184
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: talked about it.

1185
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: So you made me feel like I'm reaching for that,

1186
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: you're reaching less than I am, or you're reaching more

1187
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: than I am. Correct, Okay, all right, so yeah, that's yeah, okay,

1188
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: I just got to defend who cha little? Yeah, that's

1189
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: all right.

1190
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: Uh, downfield passing game. When you don't complete a single

1191
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: pass over fifteen yards in the air, you're on the

1192
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: downs list for me. To me, it was mostly protection,

1193
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: but some of it was just Koe Wereset not wanting

1194
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 2: to really test those windows down the field. That's gonna

1195
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: have to change. They're gonna have to be willing to

1196
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: take some chances moving forward coming out of the half,

1197
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: and you just chuck one to Taekwan Thornton without any

1198
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: play action or any sort of fake or anything. It's

1199
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: just three step, drop, pop up and throw a go ball.

1200
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: I just didn't care for that call either, just thought

1201
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: that was kind of a waste. They need to find

1202
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: some ways to get the downfield passing game going, all right.

1203
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: So my third down is kind of along the lines

1204
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: with that, and it's the third quarter play calling. Yeah.

1205
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: They got way too conservative in the third quarter. Yeah,

1206
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: And some of that I think has to do with

1207
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the offensive line and Cincinnati really started turning the heat

1208
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: up on Jacoby Wessett late in the first half, and

1209
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: it almost felt like they reacted to that by and look,

1210
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: you need to adjust, right, But it almost felt like

1211
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: they went too into a shell their first three, so

1212
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: that they have this lead at halftime and you know,

1213
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, you've got the momentum, like go

1214
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: for the kill. Shop.

1215
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Well, that was what I felt like a Taiwan play,

1216
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: but it was just a no chance.

1217
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: It was a no chance because I think it was

1218
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: designed to get the ball out of Ersett's hands so quickly, right.

1219
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: I think that was one read because he is Jaalen

1220
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: Pulp wide open. On the other side.

1221
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: It's probably like a pre snap, like just pick your matchup,

1222
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: which which again goes to I think they were nervous

1223
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: about the offensive line.

1224
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: They got too conservative. They come out of the half

1225
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: three and out punt Joe Cardo on a force is

1226
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: the fumble, so it's technically a new drive. Right, three

1227
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: plays field goal, so it's technically not a three and out,

1228
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: but it is, and they get the ball back again

1229
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: three play. Their first would went on the books is

1230
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: their first three drives of the second half were twenty

1231
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: yards on ten plays, and they didn't pick up one

1232
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: first down and they had that one quick throat deep

1233
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: shot and then they just ran the ball a bunch.

1234
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: You have to be more varied than that, especially when

1235
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: you have a chance to get some breathing room. That's

1236
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: where I would have liked to see them go more

1237
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: play action. That sequence bugged me. I was getting ready

1238
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: if like the Bengals stormed back to say, like this

1239
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: was the turning point. They came out of the locker

1240
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: room way too conservative.

1241
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And I just

1242
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: the fumble three, you know, the Cardona forces the fumble,

1243
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: like I was hoping we were kind of done with those,

1244
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: where like the offense just immediately goes three and out

1245
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: after the turnover, Like it would be nice to be

1246
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: able to score touchdowns off of those, Like you're in

1247
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: plus plus territory, like not just plus territory, you're like

1248
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: basically yeah, like you should be able to score a

1249
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: touchdown from there. My last down. This is my like

1250
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: out of the box one.

1251
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I agree with you on this, and I'm happy you're

1252
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: saying this because I thought I was gonna have to

1253
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: say it and you were gonna complain.

1254
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: It's very rare that I put not just another team's player, yeah,

1255
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: but another team's coach on the downs.

1256
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: In a coach that comes from the Shanahan McVeigh tree.

1257
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, sort of, I'm not ready to claim him. I'm

1258
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 2: worked for Sean McVeigh for like two years.

1259
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. If you're gonna do this, you're gonna do.

1260
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: This because he doesn't he doesn't run the system. He

1261
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: doesn't run the system.

1262
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: He comes from the tree. Evan, this is one of

1263
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: your guys.

1264
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor looking at the carr when I say this,

1265
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, y bum. He was a bum in this game?

1266
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: Like what was that from Cincinnati on offense? I thought

1267
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: that game plan from Cincinnati offensively was terrible, like absolutely awful.

1268
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: And I don't usually like to like talk like this,

1269
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: but it just grinds my gears when you have that

1270
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: much talent on the offensive side of the ball and

1271
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: you do nothing with it. Just first of all, you

1272
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: don't have t Higgins. Jamar Chase like supposedly has like

1273
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: food poisoning or something like that, and is coming off

1274
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: the hold in you ran the ball twelve times, bro, Like.

1275
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: What do you do? Bro?

1276
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: The team is the Patriots are sitting in cover two,

1277
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: They're sitting in too high safety. Shew, They're begging you

1278
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: to run the ball. They're begging you. You're just asking

1279
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: you to run the ball. Zack Moss had six carries

1280
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: into light boxes in this game, which is six defenders

1281
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: or less in the box. He had thirty yards. He

1282
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: was averaging five yards of carry against the Patriots light boxes.

1283
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: You only ran it twelve times, Zach Taylor? What are

1284
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: you doing? I say this all the time when I

1285
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: watch the Bengals offense. I think their offense is rudimentary,

1286
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: and I think their scheme is terrible. Like they don't

1287
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: do anything their gun, their three receiver. They run like

1288
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: a couple of our you know, RPOs here and there.

1289
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: And then it's just Joe Burrow cook and like save me,

1290
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Speaker 2: you know, like be be my merchant, Joe Burrow. Zach Taylor,

1291
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: I think is the most overrated coach in the league

1292
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: on a good team.

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: And and by the way, by the way, like the

1294
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: game management was bad too. Yeah, that weird challenge that

1295
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: he won but should have lost. The time out the

1296
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: special teams wasn't good. Why why is Charlie Jones returning

1297
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: all these punts? Yeah, tell him to fair catch it.

1298
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Tell them to fair catch it or put somebody else

1299
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: in there. But Evan, this is this is what the

1300
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: coaches from that tree do their heads against. They are arrogant,

1301
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: their heads against the wall until it works, because they

1302
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: just think they're so smart that it has to work eventually.

1303
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: I think he is the whole thing when he got

1304
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: highed and remember was oh yeah, because.

1305
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't but he doesn't run that system. He runs

1306
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: a shotgun three receiver spread system in Cincinnati, basically like

1307
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: they think the core philosophies.

1308
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: He comes from that tree.

1309
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: It's not though, he doesn't run that offense like they

1310
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: run the Cincinnati Bengals. It's a Tiger. They are the

1311
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Tigers because they try to run what LSU runs.

1312
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: Right for Burrow got he is he in the Sean

1313
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: McVay coaching tree, Yes or no? He coached under Sean mcgiy,

1314
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: so yes, so yes, so he's in the tree. They

1315
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: don't run the system.

1316
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: Look, I'll say this, it don't run the same, whether

1317
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: it be game planning, whether it be in game. But

1318
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the end game decision making, which he

1319
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: definitely didn't learn under Sean McVay because they don't do that.

1320
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Speaker 1: I don't mean this to disparage draw in Mayo. I

1321
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: really don't, but this is a guy coaching head coaching

1322
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: an NFL game for the first time. It's just what

1323
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: anybody rookies. We say this all the time with rookies,

1324
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: like a rookie playing in his game for the first time,

1325
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: like you expect some growing pains. That's the thing that's veteran.

1326
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Being a veteran should be an advantage. Zach Taylor and

1327
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: his staff got absolutely pantsed by what was largely a

1328
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: first time coaching staff. The head coach is a first

1329
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: time head coach. Two of the three coordinators are first

1330
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: time coordinators at least at the NFL level. Wow Springer,

1331
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: thank you. Jee Springer was a especially cos coordinator the

1332
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: college level, but two of the coordinators were first time

1333
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: coordinators at the NFL level. And Alex van pel is

1334
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: a first time true first time play caller. He'd done

1335
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: it before, but like, really, it being his show. You

1336
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: should not get out coached in that situation. And that's

1337
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: not to say that's not to say I think lesser

1338
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: than of the Patriot staff, but it's like any rookies.

1339
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: You let somebody doing something for the first time pants you.

1340
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: That is a terrible terrible.

1341
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 4: Look.

1342
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Taylor should be on the hot seat.

1343
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: On the hot seat, Zach Taylor. When the defense is

1344
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: playing soft zone the entire game, put the damn quarterback

1345
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: under center and run the goddamn ball like it's it's

1346
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: really not rocket science. Like I just I find it

1347
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: so unbelievably crazy that they could see the way that

1348
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots are playing defense in this game and run

1349
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: the ball twelve times?

1350
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Is he the hottest seat in the NFL coming out

1351
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: of Week one?

1352
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: Maybe? Like I'm sure that the Bengals would probably say, oh, well,

1353
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: we didn't have t Higgins.

1354
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: And excuse objectively, who's the hot Who's the hottest seat

1355
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: coming out of week one? I'll give you a couple

1356
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: is he Does he have a hotter seat than Robert saw.

1357
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 4: No?

1358
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: I think Robert Saal has a hotter seat.

1359
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: There's people saying like that's the that's the sneaky bet

1360
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: for like the first coach fire.

1361
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it doesn't work now, then Robert sala

1362
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: is out.

1363
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: Brian Daball.

1364
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: Maybe because I think the GM gets fired before Dable does,

1365
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 2: like dabel might be able to survive there through the GM. Yeah.

1366
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: Uh, there's another one, who was it? I forget.

1367
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: Anyway freaking Zach Taylor twelve. Oh he won, But Mike McDaniel,

1368
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: I can see why he's he's there's some skeptics because

1369
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: of the lack of playoff.

1370
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: It's not his seat's not harder than than than Taylor.

1371
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's the wrong way to bring it up.

1372
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: But he does a little bit of hot you know,

1373
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: like in a car, there's some of the some of

1374
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: the nice cars have like the different levels of seat warmer.

1375
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: It's like one, two three, he's on like level one.

1376
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: It's on the seat warmers on.

1377
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: It's not on the high side the lights on, but

1378
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: it's not all the way on. I hear you, all right,

1379
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 2: I'm done with picking on Zach Taylor. I just I

1380
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: find it. One of my least favorite things about coaches

1381
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: in general are guys that just refuse to see the

1382
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: forest for the trees, Like it's just right in front

1383
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: of you and you're just so stubborn and you just

1384
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: run what you run, and that's it.

1385
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: Well, idolizing the Shanahan tree is.

1386
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: Wild, because I think you're you're wrong when it comes

1387
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: to this element of the Shanahan tree. I think the

1388
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: Shanahan tree adjusts.

1389
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: All the time we've Evan, We've talked about this, this

1390
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: is what they do.

1391
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: I can't sit here and tell you that, like what

1392
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: their pass run splits and all that kind I'm talking

1393
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: about Schematically. If a team came out and played the

1394
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers the way the Patriots played the Bengals,

1395
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan would have run the ball forty times. He

1396
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: did it in the in the NFC Championship game against

1397
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: the Packers with Jimmy g like that, Like he would

1398
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: have just ran the ball. If you're going to play

1399
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: that type of coverage against us, we're gonna run the ball.

1400
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean they Okay, they adjust more than that. I'll

1401
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: give you credit for that, but they don't they they

1402
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: He's throwing the ball at Brock Party up two scores

1403
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter Super Bowl. That's not adjusting. Is

1404
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: banging your head against the wall, blinders on. I'm gonna

1405
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: do what.

1406
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: We don't need to get bogged down by this argument again.

1407
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,680
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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. That was a wordy wordy read

1418
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Speaker 2: Morrell like they like they could. I mean, what are

1419
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: we doing here? Kenny? You know all those people upstairs? Yeah, Kristen,

1420
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: blame her. All right, let's go to the phone lines.

1421
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: I know you guys have been waiting on for a

1422
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: long time. So if Sean is in Vancouver, if you're

1423
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: still there, you're on. What's up Sean?

1424
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 5: Heyvan?

1425
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you.

1426
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: Thanks Sean, No.

1427
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: Problem now. I was really impressed by the Patriots win

1428
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 3: and I know, yeah that that's crazy how it happened,

1429
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 3: and it's really not something that we can count on

1430
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 3: as there was so much going on in terms of

1431
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 3: how everything went. My right, and you can't have that

1432
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: as a formula to consistently win. However, what I really

1433
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: did like was the Patriot's Way. And I know some

1434
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: people are skeptical about the Patriot's Way in terms of

1435
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: what that means, but to me, it means do your job,

1436
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: which is focusing on playing your position and being your

1437
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 3: best at your ability and limiting errors. You know, you

1438
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: trust your teammates to do the same. It takes discipline,

1439
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 3: trust patients, and that play of that game on Sunday

1440
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: is a great example of that. So I'm happy that

1441
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: the Patriot's Way is still alive and well in New England.

1442
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Sean. I think it's a

1443
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: good point. I You know, this is something that Edelman

1444
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: mentioned too, was that it's a lot of the same messaging,

1445
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: it's just coming from a different messenger. Yeah, and sometimes

1446
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: that's all it needs to be.

1447
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1448
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick was the greatest head coach of all time,

1449
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: Like you don't need to go into it and completely

1450
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: change his entire program, and Girodmeo being here kept a

1451
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: lot of the things that he liked and then maybe

1452
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: changed or slightly tweaked some of the things that he

1453
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: felt like he didn't like and so far one weekend,

1454
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 2: it seems like that was sort of a Belichick coach

1455
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: to win, you know, fundamentally sound, No, don't hurt yourself,

1456
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: run the football, play great defense. Like a lot of

1457
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: those things are what Bill has been going for, frankly

1458
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, and at times in

1459
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty two they got to it, but

1460
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: it obviously wasn't consistent enough. I understand where he's coming

1461
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 2: from that it still did feel a little bit Bill

1462
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: like Belichick.

1463
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: In Yeah, I think there was definitely an emphasis on

1464
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,959
Speaker 1: that that do your job thing, and it never felt

1465
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: like there were times where guys were trying to do

1466
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: more than they needed to do. Ye, And that's encouraging

1467
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: because on a team like this, there's definitely you can

1468
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: see how there'd be be a lean towards that, and

1469
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: you didn't see that in this game.

1470
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, all right, Patty is an aguam. What's up? Patty?

1471
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: What's up?

1472
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 4: Guys?

1473
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 6: You want to take doing great man? A couple of questions,

1474
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 6: as always, do you think first questions and for the

1475
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 6: both of you guys, both questions, do you think we

1476
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 6: run a similar game plan that we ran last week,

1477
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 6: with the exception of maybe opening up the passing game

1478
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 6: just a little bit more to try and keep them

1479
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 6: a little bit more honest, because I do think honestly

1480
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 6: we can we can scheme up and run against the

1481
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 6: Seattle defense. And which of the three cornerbacks Jonathan Jones,

1482
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones, Christian Gonzales, which one of those three guys

1483
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 6: do you think draws the hard hardest matchup this week?

1484
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 6: And I'll take it off air, and as always.

1485
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: You guys are the best.

1486
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: Thanks, yeah, thanks Patty? All right? Who who draws you

1487
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: in the receiver? In the receivers for Seattle Patriots corners?

1488
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty straightforward. I think Gonzales gets

1489
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: DK metcalfs dying over here. You get Gonzalez and DK

1490
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 1: metcalf yep, right. You know, athletics is not leticism. John Jones,

1491
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett, two veterans, quick guys. That makes a lot

1492
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: of sense. And I think you throw Marcus Jones or

1493
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: whoever in the slot on Jackson Smith and Jigbo. If

1494
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: JSN really starts to beat you up, maybe move John

1495
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: Jones in the slot and throw Alex Austin or Marco

1496
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: Wilson un locket with help over the top. But I

1497
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: think this one's actually pretty straightforward. I don't think there's

1498
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: too much to get into here.

1499
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing that you worry about a little

1500
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: bit is is Marcus Jones, like Jackson Smith and Jibus

1501
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: a little bit thicker and bigger than Marcus Jones. We

1502
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: worry a little bit about that. But Yoshiva's he did

1503
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 2: a pretty good job against Yeshiva's considering the height difference

1504
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, So maybe it's not that big

1505
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: of a deal to the first one. I think it

1506
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: is a kind of a similar game plan because the

1507
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: one thing you don't want to do with this McDaniel's

1508
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: scheme or McDonald excuse me, I said McDaniel McDonald's.

1509
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: Like, oh, we bring the fullback back this week, let's

1510
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: go right.

1511
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: I wish the one thing that you don't want to

1512
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: do with this McDonald's scheme is to get is get

1513
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: into passing situations and just allow him to unleash this

1514
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: pressure package of his. Is the darling of the leagues.

1515
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: You don't you got to stay out a third and long.

1516
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: You have to stay out of like being behind on

1517
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 2: the scoreboard big that you're an obvious pass, you have

1518
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: to be able to stay ahead of the chains like

1519
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. It still qualifies here. So

1520
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: I would say Downhill run game probably better off that

1521
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: way too, because they are a pretty fast and athletic

1522
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: defense in Seattle. I don't necessarily think that they should

1523
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: be going sideline to sideline against this team. I don't

1524
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: think that's how you beat them. I think you go

1525
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: right at them again, So pretty similar Again, like I

1526
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: said earlier, I hope the play action passing game is

1527
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more you know, fruitful this week. And

1528
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: the one thing that might be beneficial to them is

1529
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: this is a very very zone heavy system. They play

1530
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: a ton of zone coverage in this defense. So usually

1531
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: with play action you think the zone stuff. You know,

1532
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: you're pulling guys, guys like in the middle of the

1533
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: field now have run fits and they have zone responsibilities.

1534
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: So if you put those guys in conflict, then you

1535
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: can play games with them in the play action passing

1536
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: game and get that thing going. So that's that's the

1537
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: hope here. But I I think from a game plan perspective, offensively,

1538
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: it kind of stays the same. I would run right

1539
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: at him again, because I you know, as good as

1540
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy are, those guys are downhill players,

1541
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: like they're aggressive gap shooters there. I don't necessarily look

1542
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: at those guys as like Devon Godshaw's right, like who

1543
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: You're just gonna have a tough time moving on the interior.

1544
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: Do you do you think that they do anything differently offensively?

1545
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 2: Maybe mix in some more play action. Yeah, you know,

1546
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: but nothing.

1547
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to reinvent the wheel. I mean that

1548
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: you're kind of limited in terms of what personnel is.

1549
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're gonna see anything that's that

1550
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: much of a departure.

1551
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: Agreed, all right, Kendall is in North Carolina. It's up Kendall.

1552
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 5: On guys. Hey, Hey, I just want to know what's

1553
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 5: your overlot, Like, what is your negative about any weak

1554
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 5: I know you already did your film work on them. Well,

1555
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you've already completed were the early

1556
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 5: weaknesses that you see in Seattle defense?

1557
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, thanks for the call, Candle, I appreciate it.

1558
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: So I will start with the Seahawks defense because that's

1559
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: what we were just talking about. I think It's what

1560
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: I just mentioned with them in terms of weakness is

1561
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy and Leonard Williams and Hankins, and those guys

1562
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: in the middle are really good pass rushing players, especially

1563
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: Williams and Murphy. But again, I Murphy's like in that

1564
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald type mold, but he's obviously not Aaron freaking Donald.

1565
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: So like, if there's one thing that you could probably

1566
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: do is run at him at this stage of his career.

1567
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: So I would probably get downhill on this team defensively

1568
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 2: or Patriots offense their defense because of that, I don't

1569
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: necessarily look at their lineup in their linebackers either and say,

1570
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: those guys are are Juwan Bentley's and Godshaws and like

1571
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: players that you're you don't want to run over.

1572
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you can start running the ball successfully,

1573
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: it kind of forces some of those blitzers to hesitate.

1574
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: We talked about you talked about earlier, how you know

1575
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: these blitzer are gonna be coming from all over and

1576
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know who they're bringing. If the run becomes

1577
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: a real threat, you kind of have to hesitate before

1578
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: really going all in after the quarterback. So I'm with you.

1579
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: I think establishing the run early is important.

1580
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So offensively for the Seahawks. Defensively for the Patriots,

1581
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: their offensive line also has some concerns and some issues. Yeah,

1582
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: Charles Cross had a really nice debut last week at

1583
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: left tackle. He's a really good run blocker and blocker

1584
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: in space, like super athletic guy, but can be had

1585
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: in pass rush or pass protection bite with power, Like

1586
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: if you want to put Keon White over him and

1587
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: just have him bull rush him into the pocket, there's

1588
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: a chance that you can dent the pocket that way.

1589
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: And at right tackle, George Fan, I'm not sure if

1590
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna play or not. He was a DNP in

1591
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: practice yesterday, so they could be on a backup right tackle.

1592
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: Both their guards are hurt too.

1593
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have some concerns on the offensive line, just

1594
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: like the Patriots.

1595
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I to me how they use key On what

1596
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: is interesting? Like you said, do you put him on

1597
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: the blind side? Do you put him up against Charles

1598
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: Cross and just kind of try to put him in

1599
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: bully him. Well, I just be like, do you put

1600
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: Keon White in the spot where he's gonna be most effective?

1601
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is obviously your best rusher

1602
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: on the blind side quarterback can't see him coming? Or

1603
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: do you use Keon White to match a punt and

1604
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: oh they have a backup right tackle and oh their

1605
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: guards are banged up? Right do you put it? And

1606
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: I think they'll do a little bit of everything. I

1607
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: think to move around. But how do you approach Keon

1608
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: White's usage in this game? Where do you put him?

1609
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: I think is the big question there. And I don't

1610
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: know if there's necessarily a wrong answer, it's just is

1611
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: it is it good or is it better how you're

1612
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: using him?

1613
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing on their weaknesses, And I also want

1614
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about their strains to their offense.

1615
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 2: Because we talked about the defense the pressure package. We

1616
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: can talk about that a little bit too. But I

1617
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: think there's like once or I think Geno has come

1618
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: a long way. Like Gino's a much better player than

1619
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: he used to be. It's it's impressive how far he's

1620
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: come as a passer from the pocket compared to what

1621
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: he was. And he also had like a thirty yard

1622
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: touchdown run in the game last week, just like took

1623
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: off up the middle of the field and ran like

1624
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: nineteen miles an hour. I think he almost touched on

1625
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: the GPS really fast player in the open field there.

1626
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: There's once or twice a game. He's still gonna give

1627
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: you a chance to take the ball away. He's gonna

1628
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: make some aggressive throws down the field where he trusts

1629
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: his arm a little bit too much, and he's got

1630
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of that arm arrogance going on like

1631
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: we talk about with Josh Allen, and you can turn

1632
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: him over a little bit in that respect. He turned

1633
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: the ball over on their first possession of the game

1634
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: last week, like threw the ball right to a guy,

1635
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: you know, arm punted style, basically right to somebody there's

1636
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: some pressure in the pocket. But taking advantage of those

1637
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: opportunities is going to be big because if you're the

1638
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: team like the Patriots, you gotta steal possessions, right, you

1639
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: have to find ways to steal possessions. So where do

1640
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: you see, you know, in terms of what stood out

1641
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 2: to you in Week one with Seattle? Offensively?

1642
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so offense, So a couple things you mentioned the

1643
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: early interception, right, yeah, not a group that's going to

1644
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: go down quietly. Just big picture kind of saw us

1645
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: last week with Cincinnati, like didn't they feel like discouraged

1646
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: by the end of the game, and maybe some of that.

1647
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: I think Burrow was the wrist was a thing mentally.

1648
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: Say the water bottle thing.

1649
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's real quick on Joe Burrow. I see

1650
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people using this game as like an

1651
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: indictment that Burrow is not actually a top five quarterback

1652
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: in the league. I'm not willing to all that far.

1653
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: But if I'm the Bengals, I'm calling a sports psychologist.

1654
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's healthy.

1655
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: I think he is healthy. I don't think he thinks

1656
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: he's healthy.

1657
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: So I was talking to Trags. Yeah, are our good

1658
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 2: friend Trags before the game on Sunday. Yeah, And we

1659
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: were just running through both teams. You know what do

1660
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: you see? What you see? And I asked him about

1661
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: Burrow and Trags nailed it per usual, said that in

1662
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, Burrow looks like Burrow, like

1663
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: he can still throw the ball through the middle of

1664
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: the field, anticipate throws, all that kind of stuff like

1665
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: he always has. But in camp he was not having

1666
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 2: He was having some issues throwing the ball outside the numbers.

1667
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: And I felt like that really reared its head in

1668
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: the game, like he had some opportunities, some one on

1669
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: one opportunities outside the numbers that old Joe Burrow I

1670
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: feel like would have just ripped it and he didn't.

1671
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: Well that's why again I think he needs a sports psychologist.

1672
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a confidence thing, because the water

1673
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: bottle was not that heavy, Like that's a mental thing,

1674
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: that's not a physical thing. If your wrist was really

1675
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: that much of an issue, he like he wouldn't be

1676
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: able to play, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I

1677
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: think he needs sports like anyway, back to the original point, Yes,

1678
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: it did feel like the Bengals, maybe following the lead

1679
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: of their quarterback late in that game, got sort of

1680
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: just all right, well you know this else take him

1681
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: to exactly, you're not gonna be able to. You might

1682
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: you can try to take the Seahawks the hill. I'm

1683
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: not gonna say you can't. But this is a team

1684
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna play a sixty minute game. And I think

1685
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 1: some of that was they had a little bit of

1686
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: what the Patriots at first time head coach like, they're

1687
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: playing for this guy, They're trying to get him going.

1688
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: I think Gino has tremendous buy in there, much like

1689
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: Jacoby does here agreed, this is not a unit that

1690
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: the Patriots punched the Bengals in the mouth, and the

1691
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: Bengals stumbled, Yeah.

1692
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: You're not.

1693
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna punt. If they punched Seattle in the mouth,

1694
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: Sew's gonna get back up and gonna need to punch

1695
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: him again and again and again. So that's one thing.

1696
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: The other thing that sitt out to me Kenneth Walker.

1697
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: I am so glad gerrowd Mao and von Gotscha and

1698
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: all these other guys have talked about how underrated Kenneth

1699
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: Walker is this week because they are right. I love

1700
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: this guy coming out of Michigan State. I was really

1701
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: high on him, and he is such a good modern

1702
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: NFL back. And what I mean by there's two kinds

1703
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: of modern NFL backs. There's the one that you like,

1704
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: which is basically a receiver out of backfield, one of

1705
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: the best players in and those guys well McCaffrey Kamara, Yeah,

1706
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: you could even take it to a level like the

1707
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: guys like James White, right, like a modern back, a

1708
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: guy that can be a factor in the passing game.

1709
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: The other the other thing I think of when I

1710
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: think of modern back, are you two twenty five, two

1711
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: thirty with wiggle, because if you're a speedster but you're

1712
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: not like one of these pass catchers, it's really hard

1713
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: to be sustainably good in the NFL because the physical

1714
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: toll with these bigger, faster, stronger defenders. It just it's

1715
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot harder to be impactful like that if you're

1716
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: not also contributing the passing game. There's also guys that

1717
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: are like two thirty, but they're just two thirty and

1718
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: they fall forward like they don't like, are you a

1719
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: guy that Bjeon Robinson, Well, he contributes to the passing game,

1720
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Actually that's

1721
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: what it is, is Jamier games. B Jeon Robinson one

1722
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: of the two right. Kenneth Walker is the guy that

1723
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: I think he's like two twenty six to twenty seven

1724
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: something like that. You wouldn't know it by the way

1725
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: he plays, kind of like we saw with Remandre. He

1726
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: can run around guys just as well as he can

1727
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: run through them. Those guys are a freaking headache because

1728
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: small guy, you kind of know what the point of attack,

1729
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: all right, as long as I don't let him get

1730
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: outside my frame, I'm gonna be able to take him down.

1731
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: He's not gonna put much of a fight. Big guy,

1732
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, is gonna hurt. But if I stand in

1733
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: front of him, I'm gonna tackle him. Kenneth Walker can

1734
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: do so many different things to you with the point

1735
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: of attack. It really makes him a nightmare to go

1736
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: up again. So we can talk about DK metcalf a lot.

1737
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: Everybody knows how I think about about him future Patriot

1738
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: DK metcalf right ideally, Yeah, but the way Kenneth Walker

1739
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: can just exerts actual he's listed at two fifteen. Wow,

1740
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: I thought he's bigger than that. Still big, but he

1741
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: runs much bigger now, which kind of my point. The

1742
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: way he can exert force on a defense and put

1743
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: a defender in conflict at the point of attack makes

1744
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: him a really dangerous player to me.

1745
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's stick with the running game because I

1746
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: think it's a good point. First of all, probably one

1747
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: of the biggest X factors of this game is Kenneth

1748
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: Walker's health.

1749
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: Like Kenneth that's a good point. He didn't practice.

1750
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: If Kenth Walker doesn't play in this game, it's huge

1751
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. Like I would say, potentially result changed

1752
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: almost as big as t Higgins being out, if not

1753
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: bigger with the Bengals.

1754
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good comparison.

1755
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 2: I don't think Zach Charbonnet is as good of a player,

1756
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: like even close, So I think it would be really

1757
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: massive if Kenneth Walker is out on Sunday. One of

1758
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: the things that really stood out to me that I

1759
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: thought was impressive with the Seahawks film watching their tape

1760
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: last week against Denver was how well Walker ran and

1761
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: how well Ryan Grubb, their offensive coordinator, is one of

1762
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: your guys is from wat University Washington College. Oh see

1763
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 2: how well he designed a run game. On top of

1764
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: that we just talked about earlier, I had my rant

1765
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 2: about Zach Taylor not running the ball against the Patriots

1766
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: soft zones. The Broncos played the exact same type of

1767
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: coverage as the Patriots played similar type of coverage, I

1768
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: should say, as the Patriots played against the Seahawks last week.

1769
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: The Broncos game plan was, it's not gonna be Metcalf,

1770
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be Jsn, it's not gonna be Tyler Lockett.

1771
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the run game. It's gonna be Gino.

1772
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be something else. They really held Dk Metcalf

1773
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: under wraps. Now, a lot of that was Patrick Surtan,

1774
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 2: who was a stud. But what you're kind of hoping,

1775
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Christians Alls is that kind of play. So just a

1776
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: quick aside. I was talking to Christian Gonzalez about this

1777
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: the other day. He said that the number one corner

1778
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: that he watches in the league is Certain. He said

1779
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: that that's like his his idol, Like he's that's the

1780
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: guy he models his game. Makes sense. Anyways, the run

1781
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: game for Seattle, I was really impressed with Ryan Grubb

1782
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: and his scheme. In the run game. They run a

1783
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: lot of bells and whistles, like all the things I

1784
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: was talking about the Patriots didn't do last week. Seattle

1785
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: was doing all of them, like shift here, shift there,

1786
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: motion this guy, Yeah, bring the tight end into motion, right,

1787
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: So when you bring the tight end and you start

1788
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: the tight end early into his block and then it

1789
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: allows him to kick out with more force and things

1790
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: like that, and changing the strength of the formations with shifts,

1791
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 2: like they shifted ten times in this game. That was

1792
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: the highest amount in the league. Last week, Washington's offense

1793
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 2: was was a big shifting offense. They did that a

1794
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,879
Speaker 2: ton with the Huskies as well. It's a big hallmark

1795
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: of this system is how much they motion and shift

1796
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: pre snap. So they do it with a purpose though,

1797
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: like they're gonna shift guys to change up and open

1798
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: up holes in the run game, or they're gonna motion

1799
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: guys to get guys into their blocks with heads of

1800
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: steam and things like that. They do it really nice

1801
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: job in the running game. And if you watch that tape,

1802
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 2: Denver is a lot of six man in the box.

1803
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: They're a lot too high. They're just worried about the

1804
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: passing game and stopping the explosive plays through the air,

1805
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 2: and the Seahawks carved them up on the ground, absolutely

1806
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: carved him up. So if you're the Patriots, I look

1807
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: at this run game from Seattle, because when I think

1808
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: of Seattle, I'm sure you think the same thing. We

1809
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: both love DK. You think DK, you think Lockett, you

1810
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: think JSN. When I turned on this film against Denver,

1811
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking Kenneth Walker. I was like, this was

1812
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 2: a Kenneth Walker game. They'll run the ball if the

1813
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 2: Patriots play the same brand of defense they did against Cincinnati.

1814
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see what DeMarcus Covington does this

1815
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: time around, because there's a different game plan. It's a

1816
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: different beast that they're going up against, and this is

1817
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: a team that will run the ball unlike Zach Taylor. Yeah,

1818
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 2: so that's an offense. Defensively, it's McDonald like, this pressure

1819
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 2: scheme is becoming the invoke thing I know Andrew Kallen

1820
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 2: had in the Herald today. The Patriots are even trying

1821
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: to take some things from it. They they are running

1822
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: the IT scheme defensively in the league right now. What

1823
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of is you're gonna see

1824
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 2: a lot of multiple pass rush pass rush threats up

1825
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage. Once the ball is snapped,

1826
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: who's coming and who's going? Right Like, they're gonna bring

1827
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: different guys from different places. They're unknown rushers, as girod

1828
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: BeO calls them. You don't know who the four guys

1829
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: are gonna come and who are the four guys that

1830
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: are gonna drop. But they're gonna get to a four

1831
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: man rush. They don't bring a lot of extra pressure.

1832
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: Often it's usually four or five guys. You just don't

1833
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: know where those four or five guys are coming from.

1834
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: It's extremely disguised heavy, it's extremely difficult to decipher pre snap.

1835
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: It's a very very difficult attack based system to run against.

1836
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: And that to me is why you have to establish

1837
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: the run. Yea, nothing will up because you have to

1838
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: do against this group. They already have the reason not

1839
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: everybody runs. That is it's a lot easier said than done.

1840
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: It's a big mental task for not just the guys

1841
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: that are rushing, but all eleven players on the defense.

1842
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: So they're already thinking about a lot. If you can

1843
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: start using misdirection, motion, play action, just running the ball

1844
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: to offset the timing where they now have to you know,

1845
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: the run fit has to be just as much at

1846
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,560
Speaker 1: the front of the mind as the passing down responsibility,

1847
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: whether it's rushing or covering that extra quarter second they

1848
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: have to think, and you give them something extra to

1849
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: think about can make all the difference. So I think

1850
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: for the Patriots about establishing the run and just even

1851
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 1: things as simple as counters or draws, just anything that

1852
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: upsets the timing and doesn't make it a black and

1853
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: white picture is gonna help this week.

1854
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So McDonald is from the wink Martindale tree, but

1855
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: he doesn't bring as much like Wink Martin dud just blitzes.

1856
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Wink Martindale had a rough week last I know, did

1857
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: you watch that. When you watch that in Fi Brewery,

1858
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: you your guy Sarks. The Sarkisia put Wink Martindale in

1859
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: an absolute blender. So Wink Martindale blitzes like just pure,

1860
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: we're bringing more guys than you have to block. McDonald

1861
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: has sort of taken that to the next level where

1862
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: it's we're gonna simulate that you were bringing more guys

1863
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna block, but we're actually gonna just bring

1864
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: four guys. It's just that you just can't decipher which

1865
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: for it is gonna be. So I look at Layden Robinson,

1866
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: I look at Michael Jordan, like two guys. Jordan's a

1867
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: little bit more experienced, obviously had some experience in the league.

1868
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna play some freaking mind games with Leyden Robinson.

1869
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now. Yeah, you know, his.

1870
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Head's gonna be in an absolute blender. So this is

1871
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: a big week for David Andrews, It's a big week

1872
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: for Jacoby. Like those guys need to know when they're hot,

1873
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: they need to know, you know, where the lines pointed

1874
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 2: needs to be correct, and basically, Jacoby, it's kind of

1875
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 2: on him, like if you point the line in a

1876
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: certain way and you know this guy's the mic, and

1877
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 2: you know that the line is responsible for one, two, three, four,

1878
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: if five comes, you need to know that you're hot

1879
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: and the ball needs to come out.

1880
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 3: You know that.

1881
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: That's a big part of his game plan this week.

1882
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: The good news because it's daunting to go up against.

1883
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,560
Speaker 2: It's a scary defense to go up against. Yeah, the

1884
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: good news is a VP again week two of this

1885
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: has a lot of experience against this defense. You know,

1886
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: he coached against Baltimore for years with the Cleveland Browns,

1887
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: coached against McDonald's you know, four or five times with

1888
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. So he has the he knows what's coming,

1889
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: Like he understands what's coming in this game. It's gonna

1890
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 2: be an interesting test for the offensive line. There's a

1891
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: lot of different moving parts here. I want to do

1892
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: key matchups. Let's what do you got? Number one?

1893
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: So we already kind of talked about it. Christians also

1894
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: and DK metcalf. Yeah, and not even necessarily like what

1895
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: obviously means a lot for this game, but also just

1896
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: what a sign it would be about Gonzales going forward

1897
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: if he comes out and just has another one of

1898
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: these performances against DK Metcalf. You know, I I think

1899
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: he'll travel with him a good amount just based off

1900
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: what we saw last week. Is kind of why I'm

1901
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: projecting that. But yeah, that's that, that's my number one

1902
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: match we're looking forward. Yeah, so I definitely had that

1903
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: one too.

1904
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for Gonzo so I wrote

1905
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: down two certans numbers here for a second. So he

1906
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 2: went against DK for twenty four routes, eleven of them

1907
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: in man coverage, and gave up three for twenty nine.

1908
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 2: So that's pretty darn good.

1909
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1910
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1911
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: The biggest thing to me with Gonzo at this matchup

1912
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: is that DK is such a freaking beast right like,

1913
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: so he can stick with him speed for speed. I

1914
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 2: have no doubt about that. This is a tough matchup

1915
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 2: for him in terms of physicality. I remember us talking

1916
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 2: about this with AJ Brown a little bit too, like

1917
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 2: this is a physical specimen. So Gonzalez holding his water

1918
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: against DK Metcalf is gonna be tough, and not just

1919
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 2: in the route, but he is going to catch one

1920
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: or two like tackling him. Yeah, yep, one hundred percent.

1921
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: All right, So my other two are on the offensive

1922
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: line for the Patriots, you know, for a good reason. Yeah,

1923
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe versus Boie Mafy, I think it's a huge mismatch.

1924
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 4: Uh.

1925
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Mafi had nine quarterback pressures last week. It was third

1926
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: most in the league behind I think it was like

1927
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett and Max Crosby, like two of the most

1928
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: guy was awesome, maybe was Micah you know what, really

1929
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: good guys, right, that's the point. Also had a TfL

1930
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: in the run game too, MafA. He was kind of

1931
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: like ther Keon White. Yeah, this year where he was

1932
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: a raw player. We've talked about him in the draft.

1933
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: I go that for a fact. I think one of

1934
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: our mock draft simulators we actually took him for the

1935
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: Patriots at the end of the first round. He's definitely

1936
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 2: one of those guys that was a little bit raw

1937
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: coming out of college. This is like raw, toolsy, physical guy,

1938
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: just like Keon. And it took him a couple of years,

1939
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: but last year the light started to go on. This

1940
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: is year three for him. Now it started to come

1941
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: on a little bit last year and now it seems

1942
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: like it's fully on in year three to start year three,

1943
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be up against Vidarien Lowe. He likes

1944
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: to run, they like to rush him off the left side,

1945
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 2: and he's extremely explosive, excellent first step, good length to

1946
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 2: him as well. But unlike Keon, like he's not a

1947
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: bull rusher necessarily. He is a first step demon off

1948
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: the edge, but with some power. So i'd say it

1949
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: like almost like a mix between Kean White and Joshua Ucha.

1950
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 2: So that's a pretty scary guy one of mine.

1951
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: I guess I should have said this before because it

1952
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: was literally what we were talking about. But just Alex

1953
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: van Pelt versus Mike McDonald. I'm fascinated by this storyline

1954
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: of like, all right, you have two brint coaching staffs

1955
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: brand new on their teams, yet this is just an

1956
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: old AFC North matchup. Yeah, between Mike McDonald's Ravens and

1957
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt's Brown It's crazy how that keeps happening,

1958
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: like two weeks in a row. Yeah, So you know,

1959
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I was actually before he came in. I didn't get

1960
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: a chance to finish, but like looking up kind of

1961
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: how Van Pelt did against McDonald the last few years,

1962
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, in Cleveland and Baltimore. But I just so

1963
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: they've run these schemes against each other, but they're not

1964
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,480
Speaker 1: doing it with new players, new strengths and new weaknesses.

1965
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm just interested to see how that plays out. I

1966
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: think that's kind of a cool little wrinkle to this one.

1967
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 2: So the game in twenty two, I'm trying to pull

1968
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 2: it up, Yeah, was twenty three to twenty Baltimore at

1969
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I mean, Jacoby Brissett starting against against

1970
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 2: this Ravens defense. They they they've had, they've held their own, No,

1971
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 2: against the Ravens team that frankly has Lamar Jackson and

1972
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: is like better than them, right, Yeah, like they've held

1973
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 2: their own in those matchups. They ran the ball okay

1974
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: in that game with Jacoby Brissett, but he was sacked

1975
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: five times in that game a couple of years ago,

1976
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 2: so that that was obviously the big thing. But it's

1977
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 2: again another week, just like last week, where at least

1978
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: AVP has a ton of familiarity with what they're gonna do.

1979
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean last year that did big fourth quarter comeback

1980
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: against them in Baltimore, right, So yeah, and then they

1981
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 1: put up three points in the game in Cleveland. I

1982
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: think that was the first game with Josh Dobbs.

1983
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah the yor not with Josh Jobbs, with Don with

1984
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: the uh dtr No, no, no, Pat the other guy

1985
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 2: the other the other what the Pat Walker?

1986
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Hang on Walker?

1987
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 4: Uh?

1988
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 2: PJ Walker?

1989
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: Oh No, it was weak four. They just got spanked

1990
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: at Sean Watson the.

1991
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Other But I'm like shouting PJ. Walker. I knows him,

1992
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 2: PJ Walker. I just like PJ Walker.

1993
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: Anyway, He's put up points against him before.

1994
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they have. Uh, it's it's a tough matchup though.

1995
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see.

1996
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1997
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:31,919
Speaker 2: Last one here for me, Leonard Williams against Leyden Robinson

1998
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: on the interior. Leonard Williams had five quarterback hits last

1999
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: week against bow Knicks, like vintage Leonard Williams. He was, Yeah,

2000
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: he's still got it. He he has not lost a

2001
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 2: step or even half a step. Yeah, he's gonna be

2002
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 2: a problem. He likes to do a little you know,

2003
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: head slap move like two double swipe where he just

2004
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: kind of you know, goes inside out and then double

2005
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 2: swipes the guy out of the way and goes around him.

2006
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 2: It's kind of it seems like that's sort of his

2007
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: go to move in the pass rush. He's a good player.

2008
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: I like watching him play. And Murphy's not a slouch either.

2009
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Rookie but not a slouch either. Their first round pick

2010
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: out of Texas. So Landon Robinson's gonna have his handsfuld.

2011
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's gonna have his hands full on passing downs.

2012
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Those guys are gonna be stressed in this game. What

2013
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: else do you have?

2014
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Again? I are talked about this like ke On White

2015
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: against just the Seahawks line. They're gonna line him up

2016
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: all over the place. But Seattle's banged up up front.

2017
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: It's maybe a place the Patriots can find a mismatch.

2018
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: So key On White, whoever they line him up across

2019
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: from on any given plake, that's that's a spot Patriots

2020
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: gotta win.

2021
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to some of these emails. We

2022
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 2: can still talk Seattle. There's a couple of Seattle questions here,

2023
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 2: but I think that was a pretty extensive breakdown of

2024
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 2: this matchup. But we can still talk to some Seahawks

2025
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: questions here. I want to get to this question now

2026
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 2: because I think it's a good one. David who listens

2027
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 2: from Madrid, Spain every week. He's always emailing in. He

2028
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 2: asked about Drake May, and you know, we talked about

2029
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 2: Drake May week five kind of being that target. Does

2030
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,839
Speaker 2: it change at all that Jacob Brisseet won a football

2031
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 2: game and maybe continues to win football games here? So

2032
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: he said, basically, if Jacoby's around five hundred or better,

2033
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 2: does that push May's starting point down?

2034
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, some of that's gonna come along with just

2035
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: what that looks like. Like he's a five hundred and

2036
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: he's playing like he did on Sunday? Is he playing worse?

2037
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Right?

2038
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: As long as they're winning games, he's gonna have to

2039
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,520
Speaker 1: buyd in the locker room. And that gives the Patriots

2040
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 1: more time if they want to pull the trigger for.

2041
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: Better or worse. It turns even more into the Miami

2042
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 2: Dolphins with Tua and Ryan Fitzpatrick in twenty twenty, where

2043
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 2: there was a divide in the locker room and a

2044
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 2: lot of people in that Miami locker room felt like

2045
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 2: they should stick with Fitzpatrick because he had them in

2046
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: contention for the first six weeks of the season, but

2047
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 2: the organization was behind to a big picture and that

2048
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: was where they went with it. I have to tease it.

2049
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 2: I talked to Drake May yesterday, did a piece on

2050
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: him this morning. It's up on Patriots dot Com, just

2051
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 2: talking about how what he went through last week and

2052
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: the practice reps. He did mention that he saw some

2053
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 2: first team starter reps early in the week with the

2054
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 2: Patriots ones. He called him good on good right, our

2055
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 2: first team offense versus the first team defense. And he

2056
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 2: did get some of those reps early in the week,

2057
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 2: he said. And then once it went into a real

2058
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: hardcore game plan prep mode, they went to Jacoby and

2059
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: he was on working with the scout team, But he

2060
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: felt like it was beneficial to just watch Jacoby go

2061
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 2: through it, Like what's the preparation, what's the meetings look like,

2062
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 2: what's the lead up to the game look like. You know,

2063
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 2: this was also a road game, so like what does

2064
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 2: that element of it add to it once we got

2065
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, Like, how does that change everything from a

2066
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 2: road perspective. The more that I heard him talk about it,

2067
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 2: the more I began to see some of the benefits

2068
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 2: to him sitting that even go beyond just him getting

2069
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: better himself before they throw him in there just learning

2070
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 2: how to be a pro, like learning how to do

2071
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: the little things, you know, some of the things that

2072
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: he said about you know, North Carolina has school right

2073
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: right now, it's just football and a lot of the

2074
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 2: preparation that goes to preparing for an NFL defense. He

2075
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 2: said it was significantly more than preparing for a college defense.

2076
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: So that's a lot that's a big undertaking. And then

2077
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 2: on the sideline, of course, he had the earpiece in

2078
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 2: and is basically playing the game mentally from the sideline.

2079
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: So I think it was it was beneficial to him

2080
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 2: in his long term development in terms of when he starts.

2081
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: I'd still say by Halloween. I'd like to see it happen.

2082
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 2: But look, if Brissette's winning, you don't pull a winning

2083
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: quarterback out just it's like a goalie and hot, right, like,

2084
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 2: you don't pull the hot goalie. So if they're get

2085
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: to mid October, let's call it week six is in,

2086
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: they're four and two. I don't know if they've made

2087
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: the switch, then they might.

2088
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Let's get to foreign two.

2089
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 2: But no, I'm getting ahead of myself, but I'm just

2090
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, for the point of the argument.

2091
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: No, I've said this like just the him going over

2092
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: that film with Jacoby and understanding the decisions he didn't

2093
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: didn't make. Yeah, it's gonna save him a lot of

2094
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 1: growing pains on the field. I certainly think that's valuable.

2095
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: And if they can, if they can wait a little longer,

2096
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 1: like it can't hurt, right, I do still think he

2097
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: should play at some point to see. I'm still not

2098
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: on board with sitting in the whole year agreed.

2099
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Like unlet's say all of a sudden are like on

2100
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: pace to win ten or eleven games and make the playoffs.

2101
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 2: I still feel like, if you're gonna be even best

2102
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: case scenario for this team, to me feels like the

2103
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two team where they're like it's six to

2104
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: eight wins in that range, I still make the switch

2105
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: if that's all you're you're hovering around like because that

2106
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 2: you're not a playoff team at that point, so you're

2107
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 2: not really derailing anything too much. But we talked about

2108
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: it earlier, you know, during the summer. Kind of has

2109
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: flip flopped after one game a little bit. But do

2110
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: you lose the locker room by going one, you know,

2111
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: one way over the other. You do have to think

2112
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 2: about that sort of thing. If you're winning with Jacoby,

2113
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: some of the veterans in that locker room, some of

2114
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 2: the captains, those guys are gonna be like, what the

2115
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 2: hell are we doing if you take Jacoby out? So

2116
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 2: that's an element of it too. But I maybe have

2117
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: pushed it to like Halloween, Like was that week five?

2118
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 2: Halloween's probably like week eight or nine October. Maybe we're

2119
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 2: more closer to that range. He plays for half the season,

2120
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 2: get his feet wet. I don't know. I don't love it.

2121
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't love it. Uh, Stephen writes in and he

2122
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 2: says that he had things that a lot of people

2123
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 2: have written that this game against Seattle is a winnable game.

2124
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people, I feel like, have circled this

2125
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 2: home opener, Gerron Mayo's first game as head coach here

2126
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, the Seahawks coming from Seattle to the

2127
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 2: East Coast. Like a lot of people have circled this

2128
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 2: as a winnable game for the Patriots. Steven says that

2129
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 2: he disagrees because of some of the matchups, and I

2130
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 2: kind of tend to agree with him a little bit.

2131
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 2: I feel like not to no pun intended a little

2132
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: sleeping on Seattle in New England, Like maybe we it's

2133
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: a West Coast team. They always play it at four

2134
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 2: o'clock windows. Sometimes we get the game. Sometimes we don't

2135
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 2: get the game here on the East Coast. I'm not

2136
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: sure how much people have watched Seattle over the last

2137
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,799
Speaker 2: couple of years. This was a nine to eight football

2138
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 2: team that missed the playoffs on the tiebreaker last year. Like,

2139
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 2: this is not a slouch of a football team.

2140
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: So I think the Bengals have a better roster. But

2141
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: where the Bengals holes are just match ups so well

2142
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: with the Patriots strengths. Yeah, and that's what I think

2143
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you saw happen. That's not the case with Seattle. Like

2144
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Seattle's better against the run, They're better at running the football,

2145
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: they can spread the ball out more on offense. There's

2146
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: gonna test the Patriots in ways. I think the Bengals

2147
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't that it's gonna be tougher test for the Patriots.

2148
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

2149
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2150
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 2: I just feel a lot of people have had that take.

2151
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 2: We did our picks on the fanl I was the

2152
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 2: only one that picked Seattle to win this game, really,

2153
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 2: and I guess sometimes we can be Sunshine dot Com

2154
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 2: sometimes a little bit right. But I was shocked. I

2155
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 2: was pretty surprised I was the only one that picked

2156
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 2: the Seahawks in this game. I get that there's gonna

2157
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 2: be a lot of energy in the building, probably for

2158
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 2: Mayo and for you know, the season being back here

2159
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 2: home opener, But I don't love the matchup for the Patriots.

2160
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good pressure defense that Seattle runs,

2161
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 2: and I think they have a lot of weapons on

2162
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. They have a lot

2163
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 2: more than the Patriots too. If Kenneth Walker doesn't play,

2164
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 2: it evens the playing field a little bit. If he does,

2165
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 2: then I be hard pressed to find more weapons than Seattle. Honestly,

2166
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: I kind of think he might play.

2167
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder if he got I know

2168
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: they called it like an oblique. I wonder if he

2169
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: was getting a rest day like Ramandre was because he

2170
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: had a similar yeah workload. I I'll be interested to

2171
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: you what it looks like on the injury report today.

2172
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, all right. Carlos Los Pats emails in He's

2173
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 2: got two questions for us here, he said, he asks

2174
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 2: how confident are we in the coaching staff's ability to

2175
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: prepare the team week to week, so like game plan

2176
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: oriented offense and defense. I think this is a good

2177
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 2: question because last week it worked exactly to a t

2178
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 2: what they planned. We talked about it off the top

2179
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: of the show. That plan's not going to work every

2180
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 2: single week. How confident are you, I would say, especially

2181
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 2: offensively defensively, I'm pretty confident that they're gonna be able

2182
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 2: to game plan it up offensively if teams stacked the

2183
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 2: box and they are forcing Jacoby Brissett to beat them

2184
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 2: with his arm. Like, how confident are we that they

2185
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 2: can actually go out there and do that?

2186
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I would say more than that, Like you look at

2187
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that Week one game. I love the game plan, but

2188
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: they had what like three months to put that together. Yeah,

2189
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: now they have one week. So this to me is

2190
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: the first real like game game plan week of the season,

2191
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm really interested to

2192
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: see what it looks like this week and how many

2193
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: new wrinkles can they add? Excuse me, how much do

2194
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 1: they change going into this game? Because again, you had

2195
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 1: months to tinker and do this and that whatever going

2196
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,799
Speaker 1: into the Bengals game. Now it's all right, install on Wednesday,

2197
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: get it set on Thursday, situational stuff on Friday, and

2198
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: you go. So it's a good question. I actually think

2199
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: this week will be more telling than last week was

2200
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: in that regard.

2201
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think that's a really good point.

2202
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 2: And sometimes I feel like we make too much of it.

2203
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 2: But sometimes I feel like we almost don't make enough

2204
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 2: of it. Of like the whole offseason to prepare for

2205
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 2: one team, and the Bengals really didn't change very much

2206
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 2: in the off season either. I owe their offensive coordinator change,

2207
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 2: but their head coach is an offensive guy and all.

2208
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 2: It's still the same cast of characters for the most

2209
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 2: part with Cincinnati, so they kind of knew who Cincinnati

2210
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 2: was like for months leading up into this game. So

2211
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 2: it's a good point about this being a quicker week.

2212
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 2: I'm still skeptical or still not. They got to earn

2213
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 2: it with me about them being able to go game

2214
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 2: plan on offense. I don't know if they can do

2215
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 2: that yet. His second question is about Scott Peters. Early

2216
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: on in training camp, I gave Scott Peters some kudos.

2217
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 2: I was a little excited. I was like, Okay, maybe

2218
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: this guy just knows what he's doing. I am pretty

2219
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 2: confident in Scott Peters at this point. I trust. He asked,

2220
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: how much trust do I have in Scott Peters. I

2221
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 2: trust his ability to coach technique. We see it every

2222
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 2: single day. It's actually pretty dark and cool. Offensive line

2223
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 2: is usually right in front of us, which I know

2224
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 2: that Dante Scarnekia is in his woodshop at home being like, yeah, right,

2225
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 2: I would put my guys right in front of the media,

2226
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 2: but he's out in front of the media now, Scott Peters,

2227
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 2: and we hear it every single day, him coaching these

2228
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 2: guys up. Yesterday he was working on with Vederia Lowe

2229
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 2: on a certain type of pass at a sea set

2230
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 2: to like a forty five degree and he was working

2231
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: on it with him like in the weeds, like in

2232
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 2: the trenches, like talking about footwork and all that kind

2233
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: of stuff. What I'm more concerned about, And I know

2234
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 2: there's some rumblings that Ben McAdoo might have a hand

2235
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 2: in the design, the overall design. It's one thing to

2236
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 2: be a really good technique based coach. It's another thing

2237
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 2: to be able to design a game plan and a

2238
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 2: run game and a pass blocking and all that kind

2239
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 2: of stuff. We're talking about this out at practice a

2240
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 2: little bit earlier in the week. The way that this

2241
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 2: is often done is the OC and the play caller

2242
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: puts together the call sheet and he says, these are

2243
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 2: the forty things we want to run this week, these

2244
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 2: are the thirty five things we want to run this week,

2245
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 2: and then he gives it to the offensive line coach

2246
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 2: or whoever's responsible for getting it blocked, and they get

2247
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 2: it blocked, right. They go through the actual what protection

2248
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 2: are we gonna marry to this route concept? And what

2249
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 2: you schemer? Are we gonna run here and there? And

2250
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't know about that element of it yet. Scarnekia

2251
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 2: and Ivan Fears were excellent at getting stuff blocked for

2252
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 2: the run game, like Ivan with the running backs obviously,

2253
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 2: Dante with the offensive line. I don't know where Scott

2254
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 2: Peters is in terms of that. That might be more

2255
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 2: Ben mcadow's perview with this coaching staff right now, but

2256
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 2: that remains to be seen to me right now. It's

2257
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: like how they're gonna get everything blocked schematically and kind

2258
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 2: of from the bird's eye view.

2259
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: And that's again goes to what I talked about earlier,

2260
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: just with looking at this week, you finally saw we

2261
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 1: talked about all summer. You can't really evaluate the offensive

2262
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: line to they're in games. You saw it, now, what

2263
01:43:59,040 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna change about it?

2264
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Yep? Absolutely all right. Adam asks from California. He has

2265
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 2: two questions. Number One, he saw, we all saw Xavier

2266
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 2: Worthy shot out of a cannon on that jet sweep

2267
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 2: the other day, and the opener thanked the Buffalo Bills

2268
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 2: for that one. Thanked the Buffalo Bills for that one.

2269
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 2: And he asks if we feel like Taekwon Thornton could

2270
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 2: be used on similar types of motions he has in

2271
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: the past. He's done it in the past, not in

2272
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:30,839
Speaker 2: a high volume.

2273
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: He did it against alex man Pelt in Cleveland.

2274
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, did it against alex mn Pelt on the

2275
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 2: goal line right in Cleveland for a.

2276
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: Touch to the goal line one. No, I think that

2277
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: was a little bit longer.

2278
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: I thought that was a touchdown.

2279
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: It was a touchdown, but I think it was like

2280
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty yards okay, red Zolo, Yeah, Redzep.

2281
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 2: And then he did it. Remember last year against the Chargers.

2282
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 2: If DeVante Parkers stopped blocking down the field, otherwise he

2283
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 2: would he might have been able to house it, he's

2284
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 2: done it in the past. We obviously know about his

2285
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: injury concerned turns in terms of doing that at a

2286
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 2: high volume, but I suppose the same could be said

2287
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 2: for Worthy, right, he's also kind of a real thin guy.

2288
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 2: I would like to see it. I like to see

2289
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 2: them at least at least send Taekwon in motion some

2290
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,719
Speaker 2: just as eye candy too, like just as window dressing

2291
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 2: would be nice as well.

2292
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: By a nineteen yard run, getting two yard pass passing

2293
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: touchdowny two touchdowns in that game. I remember the run

2294
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 1: looked like everybody was standing still. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

2295
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: mean this is they made a whole point of this,

2296
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: like getting the guy in the lineup because his speed

2297
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: and his big play ability and all that. Like that

2298
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 1: doesn't need to just be go balls. There's probably gonna

2299
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 1: be a lot of it, but it doesn't need to

2300
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: just be go routes. You can have him doing other

2301
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 1: things too, So I think he yeah, I think that

2302
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: they should kind of expand his role a little bit.

2303
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,919
Speaker 2: So second question was about the scheme with avp's installing,

2304
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 2: and we talked a little bit about this, how I

2305
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 2: didn't love some of the rudimentariness of it, but he

2306
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 2: just one thing I'd also mention are the players made

2307
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 2: a big point of this after the game to give

2308
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: kudos to Remandre because Rimandre, I guess, went up to

2309
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelton said like, let's run downhill, let's stop with.

2310
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: The I thinks it was even in that that my

2311
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 1: dad put in the mic up. He's like, he gave

2312
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: me the ball, like yeah, you finish this.

2313
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm still very, very skeptical about them

2314
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 2: being a an e fision or a good outside zone

2315
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: rushing team. I just don't know if they have the

2316
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 2: personnel for it. I'm less skeptical now than I was

2317
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 2: before about Remandre because I think Remandre might just be

2318
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 2: primed for a big year no matter what blocking the

2319
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 2: scheme is running. But just in terms of their blockers,

2320
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 2: like I just don't love it for their personnel. I

2321
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 2: still don't up front. It just doesn't seem like they

2322
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,679
Speaker 2: have the athletes for it. Like frankly, the best outside

2323
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 2: zone run blocker on the team right now is Michael Jordan,

2324
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 2: which which tells you a lot like it. It doesn't

2325
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 2: seem to fit the other guys. So that being said,

2326
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 2: I like the fact that they justed that they went

2327
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 2: to duo and they went to some of their gap

2328
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,799
Speaker 2: plays and they got downhill. I wonder if they continue

2329
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 2: to adjust and move even further away from outside zone.

2330
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 2: I know that that's what Van Pelt wants to do,

2331
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 2: like that's like his real bread and butter. I just

2332
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 2: don't I still don't really fully believe they have the

2333
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 2: horses for it.

2334
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Peters talked about this morning and kind

2335
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: of said that you have your main thing, but you're

2336
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 1: gonna run what works, and if outside zone is not working,

2337
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: they can't keep doing it, whether they want to or not.

2338
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 1: If it's not working, you can't keep running it.

2339
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I so they said that. They mentioned that Cincinnati

2340
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: was run blitzing a lot because they were expecting outside zone.

2341
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 2: And the one thing that kills outside zone is penetration, right,

2342
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, That's what really kills that system. That's why

2343
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 2: I remember in the Super Bowl against the Rams, Bills

2344
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 2: yell and get vertical, get vertical, right, because that's right.

2345
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 2: You shoot gaps against outside zone, you get in the backfield.

2346
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 2: That could be really detrimental to the scheme. So the

2347
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 2: Bengals were run blitzing guys to try to put them

2348
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: through the line of scrimmage to try to blow it up.

2349
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 2: So what do you do to counter that? You get downhill,

2350
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: you get you get bodies, you get hats on them,

2351
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 2: and then you move them off the ball.

2352
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: So I like it.

2353
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 2: I like the downhill stuff. They need to dress it

2354
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 2: up a little bit better for my liking, but I

2355
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 2: like what they're doing.

2356
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, run the damn ball, put

2357
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: it between the tackles, put your head down and go.

2358
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 2: Run the damn ball. I like it all right.

2359
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 1: Oh look Evan Lazar saying run the damn ball.

2360
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 4: I like it.

2361
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: Can we please like clip that?

2362
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 2: It's true. I can't believe I heard that. I said

2363
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 2: two nice things today. Heard that I said, Remandre Maddern

2364
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 2: and I said run the damn ball.

2365
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: That wasn't even like nice, that was like excited. You

2366
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 1: were exciting.

2367
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you, Sandra.

2368
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 1: I might just to get you one of those who

2369
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: has it, Marshall Lynch, you with the hats or yeah,

2370
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 1: run the damn ball. I love it.

2371
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 2: Do you know who? I get confused a lot? Sandra

2372
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 2: Bullock and Julia Roberts. I feel like they're the same person.

2373
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 2: Who's the one who is Like if you switch them

2374
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 2: in movies, they would kind of just act the same, right,

2375
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 2: it's really the same. That's Sandra Bullock though she's run

2376
01:48:59,400 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 2: the damn ball.

2377
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 4: I know that.

2378
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: I put Hillary's Hillary swank in that gay.

2379
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all kind of in that same category. Yeah. Look,

2380
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm all for running the ball. I think this is

2381
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 2: a misconception of me. I am all for running the ball,

2382
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 2: but the run game needs to marry to the pass game.

2383
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna run the ball and you're gonna

2384
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 2: run it thirty five times, that can work if you're

2385
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 2: hitting ten explosives off of play action tens a little

2386
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: bit much five explosives off of play action, Like that's

2387
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 2: that's the element that needs to be there. That even

2388
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 2: like they're not an outside zone West Coast Shanah entry team,

2389
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions, Like that's what they do, right, They

2390
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 2: run the ball a ton, but it's all married together

2391
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 2: so that golf can play action and then push the

2392
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 2: ball down the field off of it. If they get

2393
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 2: that sequence and going, I'm a happy guy. If all

2394
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,679
Speaker 2: it is is just running the ball, then I'm not happy. There.

2395
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 2: You go, All right, how's that good? Is that enough

2396
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 2: compliments for your running game? All right, A couple more

2397
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 2: questions here and we'll get to the Aldred here in

2398
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: the second two. To wrap it up, Christopher Susa asks

2399
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 2: about Gonzo and he just said, uh, you know how

2400
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 2: what's his ceiling? You know, do we think that Gonza

2401
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 2: Gonzo could be truly one of the best, you know,

2402
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 2: premier corners in the NFL.

2403
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: He hasn't give me any reason to think he can't be.

2404
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's that simple. Like he's he's we went

2405
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 1: through the five receivers he's faced, and he's held his

2406
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: own against every one of them. He's looked as good

2407
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: as any corner that's come here since it's come through here,

2408
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,600
Speaker 1: since Gilmore. Yeah, he hasn't give me any reason not

2409
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 1: to think so, outside of it just staying healthy.

2410
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 2: It really, I genuinely feel like everybody's waiting for a

2411
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 2: shoot to drop with Gonzo where he just has a

2412
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 2: bad game, because he's yet to really truly have a

2413
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 2: bad game. Yeah, And we were talking about him earlier

2414
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 2: on the on the show, somebody emailed into Patriots Unfiltered

2415
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:53,560
Speaker 2: and asked kind of a similar question about Uh, I

2416
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 2: think it was speed.

2417
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 4: You know s.

2418
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that he's still a little bit skeptical

2419
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 2: about Gonzo's see you know, and how good Gonzo can be,

2420
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 2: and some of the panel agreed with him, and I

2421
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 2: was he has not shown anything yet to suggest that

2422
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be anything but a great.

2423
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: You ask what his ceiling is, like, that's his ceiling. Now,

2424
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 1: can he keep this up? It's a very high level

2425
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: of play to keep up. The majority of people can't.

2426
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 1: But we're talking ceiling, which is hypothetically, what's the best

2427
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: he could possibly be? Can't really be any better than this?

2428
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, It just that position too often lends itself to

2429
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 2: guys just being awesome right out of the gate and

2430
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:34,560
Speaker 2: really never regressing Ye Sauce Gardner, Patrick Surtan, Denzel Ward, Like,

2431
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 2: these guys just came into the league and were just

2432
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 2: good right like almost right away and have been good

2433
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:43,719
Speaker 2: the whole entire time. So sometimes when that it clicks

2434
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 2: for you at that position and you're just a dude

2435
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 2: at that cornerback spot, you're just a guy, like you're

2436
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 2: just one of those guys that can just do that.

2437
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if Gonzo's in that category. And some of

2438
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 2: the things that about him when the draft seem to

2439
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 2: be so overblown, you know, the toughness and the alpha

2440
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 2: and like all that kind of stuff that had him

2441
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 2: fall in the draft. I think we're looking at it

2442
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 2: now like that was probably overblog. Yeah, all right, let's

2443
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 2: take Eldrid and then we'll wrap it up. Eldred is

2444
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. What's up, Beldrid?

2445
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 4: There it is today?

2446
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 2: Good? How are you?

2447
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Hey?

2448
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 4: I got it's fun. I got a question for you, Evan,

2449
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 4: And Hey, I didn't get to see the game much

2450
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 4: because I had to work Sunday. But I'm wondering about

2451
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 4: the wire receivers. Are they getting open against spaces? And

2452
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 4: he is the y receivers coaching them better or did

2453
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 4: he to do better? And now I take it off

2454
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 4: the air, buddies, good to talk to you.

2455
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Eldrid. Thanks for the call. So the receivers,

2456
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry I didn't hear it one hundred percent,

2457
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 2: but I think he was asking about the receivers getting

2458
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 2: opened down the field and things like that.

2459
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2460
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 2: So I think the biggest thing what I saw with

2461
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 2: them is no, they're not going out there and creating

2462
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 2: like loads of separation from their receiver position. But there

2463
01:52:56,720 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 2: were some opportunities, mainly for Jalen Polk that Jalen Pulk

2464
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 2: got open about half a dozen times in this game

2465
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 2: and didn't get the ball. So hopefully you go back

2466
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 2: next week or the week you know, you start to

2467
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:10,560
Speaker 2: look for those opportunities moving forward. Are they gonna be

2468
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 2: a great receiving corps? Probably not right, They're not gonna

2469
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 2: They're not gonna come out like Gangbusters and surprise us all. Necessarily,

2470
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 2: it's a fine margin with this group because every NFL

2471
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 2: tape you can probably look at and see half a

2472
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: dozen plays that you would want back when you watch

2473
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 2: the film. The great teams that have great receivers, it's

2474
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 2: two dozen plays, right the Patriots it's maybe six to

2475
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,560
Speaker 2: eight plays a game, So that that's the difference for

2476
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots. But yeah, it's on our all of our radars.

2477
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 2: I think about this receiving group and if they're gonna

2478
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 2: actually be better this year, and I.

2479
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 1: Just think once they get the pass blocking figure out,

2480
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: that'll help because it'll give them more time to find

2481
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 1: some of these guys that are open. The quarterback on

2482
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 1: field is rush, So yeah, it all starts with that

2483
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: pass blocking. It all starts from there. Nothing's changed in

2484
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 1: that regard.

2485
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that about does it here. We will

2486
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 2: be back next Thursday for another edition here, No, we

2487
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 2: won't good call. So we're gonna be on Tuesday, I believe, right, Morrell.

2488
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 2: I believe it's Tuesday that we're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna

2489
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 2: do the show. We'll see what time we're scheduled to

2490
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: leave on Wednesday maybe, but Tuesday, I think is what

2491
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna lock in and we're gonna do it Tuesday afternoon,

2492
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 2: so because of the Thursday night game. Obviously probably should

2493
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 2: have put that in there because of the Thursday night game.

2494
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 2: So we'll be back next Tuesday. I'll be sure to

2495
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 2: tweet it out as tweeted out to what time and everything,

2496
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 2: just because it's gonna be different than normal. But before

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