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Speaker 3: All that being said at this hour on Toroaday morning.

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Speaker 3: Oh you can you see Oklahoma's student newspaper getting crafty

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Speaker 3: spying on the team and scooping some news get buying.

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Speaker 2: They were in a public building with binoculars. Seems legal.

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Speaker 3: Secondly, we're halfway there. Who is living on a prayer? Dan,

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Speaker 3: year twenty twenty one college football season. And finally, dirty jobs, Dan,

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Speaker 3: the athletic put together a huge ex bose courtesy of

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Speaker 3: in the hardest jobs in college football. We'll get into

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Speaker 3: that much much more, but we start with that weird

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma story.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: It was the OU Daily. By the way, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: give proper attribution here. The OU Daily is the student

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Speaker 2: newspaper went up into the building, used some binoculars and

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Speaker 2: identified that Caleb Williams was taking practice with the first team. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this comes as any great surprise. Spencer

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Speaker 3: Been a bit shaky. Spencer Rattler was benched and subsequently

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Speaker 3: replaced by Caleb Williams or five star true freshmen. In

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Speaker 3: that Red River shootout game, he was a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a chucker. He threw it deep when he saw

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Speaker 3: ultimately led a huge comeback, a true shootout fifty five

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Speaker 3: don't think it's at all questionable that Caleb Williams would

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Speaker 3: is on the Spencer Ratler thing. Because Spencer Ratler coming

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Speaker 3: into this season was a presumptive favorite or one of

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Speaker 2: Which I don't fault him for.

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Speaker 3: I don't fault him for any of that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: there were some nil talking points around Spencer Rattler and

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Speaker 2: I mean it all sounds very was it, Natasha Beddingfield

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Speaker 2: still unwritten for Spencer Rattler and for the Oklahoma quarterback

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Speaker 2: job in the offense the rest of the year. First

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Speaker 2: of all, what amazing hustle to me? To me because

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Speaker 2: I don't work for the Oklahoma football program, great hustle. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: reporter just doing whatever it takes to get the story.

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Speaker 2: If that is the question on the minds of the

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Speaker 2: going to see more time in the coming weeks. For Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: That's great. Second of all, it seems that Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 2: whatever it takes to win games, no matter who his

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Speaker 2: of Spencer Rattler last year and his obvious ceiling given

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Speaker 2: how good his are great, his arm talent is. We've

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Speaker 2: seen it, you know, week in and week out, even

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Speaker 2: when they're not separating from team. Spencer Ratler is able

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Speaker 2: like it did before Caleb Williams came in against Texas,

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Speaker 2: you have to see what you have in him.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The flip side of that is he's a true freshman, right,

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Speaker 2: He's not a red shirt freshman. He's a true freshman.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get a stinker of a half, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: get a stinker of a game. No true freshman is

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Speaker 2: I am willing to bet that Caleb Williams is starting

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Speaker 2: that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely, And if you contrast that situation with what

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Speaker 3: we see at Notre Dame, mm hmm, kind of paints

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Speaker 3: both sides of that conversation. Sure, it is a function

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Speaker 3: of what do you have to lose? If you're Oklahoma,

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Speaker 3: if you're undefeated, you're still very much in this playoff conversation.

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Speaker 3: I suppose in a year of chaos, you could argue

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Speaker 3: for another day. But on one hand, we may have

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley fully committing to the bit, going to Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: willing to try and ride out the ebb and flow

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Speaker 3: you've got Brian Kelly who kind of hasn't committed one

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Speaker 3: way or the other. It's worked relatively well so far.

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Speaker 3: What works better in the long term probably to give

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Speaker 3: a little bit more apt to play like you would

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Speaker 3: got good momentum, You're gonna stick with it until they

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Speaker 3: swap someone out, and then you're gonna walk away. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Brian Kelly is essentially on quarterback tender sliping. At any

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Speaker 3: that's that's all fair to say about Oklahoma and what

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Speaker 3: schedule in front of them, Oklahoma does not have an

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Speaker 3: got TCU. TCU's issues on defense are well documented, if

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Speaker 3: close out the year final three weeks with games at

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Speaker 3: finite window of time during which Caleb Williams needs to

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Speaker 3: get up to speed if in fact he's going to

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Speaker 3: be the guy, because there are definite land mines later

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Speaker 3: you turn the ball over, if you show any kind

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Speaker 2: But the other I think, and another plus in terms

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Speaker 2: of of what Caleb Williams offers Oklahoma just in his

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Speaker 2: in a way that Spencer Rattler isn't.

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Speaker 3: He saw it on the very first play when he

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Speaker 3: came in ya this week against Texas, the sixty six

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Speaker 3: yard drawn whatever it was. I mean, the kids got moves.

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Speaker 3: He really does have moves, and he's a runner.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's more to account for with the Oklahoma offense,

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Speaker 2: even if you know, Caleb Williams is not able to

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Speaker 2: in the way that Spencer Ratler was eventually able to

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Speaker 2: that played into Spencer Ratler's strength. So there's something to that.

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Speaker 2: And there are teams across the country who are disappointed

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Speaker 2: disappointed with your quarterback, there is that the tantalizing QB

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Speaker 2: no matter who's playing quarterback. But I get it from

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Speaker 2: if they're playing every team close, that doesn't speak well

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Speaker 3: It also begs the question on the Spencer Rattler side,

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, well, we'll see. If you are

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Speaker 3: They do? And Ohio State you can get it eight

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Speaker 2: Which also there's a supply and demand thing right now

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Speaker 3: No, it's very true. I think where it gets really

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Speaker 2: who of these teams, Let's go one by one, Let's

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I think there's more slightly more living on

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Speaker 2: it's not because anything that you said was wrong, right,

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Speaker 2: Most of what you said was one hundred percent accurate.

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Speaker 2: But in looking at the remainder of the schedule as

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Speaker 2: of course, the big notable game this weekend is at Georgia.

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Speaker 3: It's the game of the week, it's to show piece game,

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Speaker 3: it's very likely they lose this week to Georgia. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: So Kentucky can lose their next three games, right, it's Mississippi,

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: If that's the case, then you give Mark Stoops a

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma State is twelfth, they are five, and oh Dan,

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Speaker 2: I go back and forth with this. I know they

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Speaker 3: there are losable games. There are land mines to be

433
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Speaker 3: had on that schedule, especially if your offense isn't playing well.

434
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: The defense has absolutely been carrying the weight for this

435
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: team in the early going. There have been some health

436
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: issues on offense, for sure, but if your offense is

437
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: not performing optimally against let's say a team like a TCU,

438
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: you could lose that game even though you should beat

439
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Speaker 3: tc Yeah.

440
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: No, they're my sort of Anton schagor you know, flip

441
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: the right they I mean, it's there's an aggression to

442
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State where you look at the rest of their

443
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: schedule and you could say they could run the table.

444
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: It's not unrealistic with that defense. If you do something

445
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: excellently in twenty twenty one, you can win all of

446
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: your games unless you're playing like the Georgia defense at

447
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: some point. So Oklahoma State is just a crazy entertaining

448
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: toss up to me because of the turnovers on offense,

449
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: because of the like fits and starts of the offense,

450
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: and because the defense has been that good. You can

451
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: talk yourself into an undefeated Oklahoma State, can you not?

452
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, you.

453
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: Can absolutely talk yourself into it. I cannot. But they

454
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: do seem like a double digit team at this point

455
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: to me because of how all over the place that

456
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: conference is.

457
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Speaker 3: Let's move on. Let's talk about Ole Miss, oh Man,

458
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: ole Miss at thirteen. Uh ole Miss has one loss

459
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: right now, therefore one that loss being on the road

460
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: at Alabama, won the game last week against Arkansas. They've

461
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: got a road tilt at Tennessee this week, which we covered.

462
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: They've played LSU at Auburn Liberty, which could be a

463
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: very close game.

464
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: If Hugh Freeze rematch the situation.

465
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Texas A and M, Vanderbilt, and the Egg Bowl

466
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: final week of the season against Mississippi State. There are

467
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Speaker 3: at least two losses on that schedule.

468
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: But are they obvious?

469
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: No?

470
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Speaker 2: You see in it you can see a scenario where

471
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Speaker 2: they beat all of these teams, can you not? They

472
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Speaker 2: have A and M at home. That will be the

473
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: most difficult defense they face, and that's between it's you know,

474
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Speaker 2: it's after Liberty, which I think will be a challenging

475
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: before Vanderbilt. So I can talk myself into anything with

476
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: Ole miss at this point. But yeah, because of that defense,

477
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: there are probably a couple losses there.

478
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I say little on a prayer. But

479
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: that's the only reason why the offense is going to

480
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: remain dynamic.

481
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: I actually think I'm pulling up these rankings just to

482
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: be very clear. There's something more entertaining to me about

483
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: ten through twenty or eleven through twenty, as it were,

484
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: than there are about one through ten. Like I can

485
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: make a case like the Georgia games specifically have not

486
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: been all that fun to watch, right. No, it's slowly

487
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: strangling teams and there've been fun plays and the defense

488
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: has been incredible to watch, but it hasn't been an

489
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: incredible back and forth. And that's just me. Iowa crazy

490
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: impressive what they've done this year. The games haven't been

491
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: all that fun to watch. Cincinnati, same there. Oklahoma has

492
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: been fairly entertaining. Alabama entertaining for sure with the A

493
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: and M game and with the Florida game. Ohio State's

494
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: been you know, we'd like to see more of an

495
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: opponent situation than just playing Oregon, and we will. Penn State,

496
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of everything, but now they

497
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: have they have a down quarterback situation, which makes them

498
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: less fun for me to watch. Michigan a good story,

499
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: but the games haven't been all that great and entertaining. Oregon,

500
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: don't get me started in Michigan State a really nice story,

501
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: but there's a wildcard element that all of these teams

502
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: from eleven through twenty almost seem like half teams. Yeah,

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: that gets me going, buddy, That's where the juice is to.

504
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, I mean, let's do Notre Dame quick and

505
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: then we'll just take a broader look at the remainder

506
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: of the teams in that next ten. But let's do

507
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. To me, is a really interesting case because

508
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: the schedule sets up rather nicely for them the rest

509
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: of the way. Their struggles ont offense have been well

510
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: documented at this point.

511
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: M hm.

512
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: The quarterback thing, we alluded to it earlier. I don't

513
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: know if that's going to get any better. But the

514
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is that Notre Dame plays usc

515
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: next week in North Carolina the week after, followed by Navy, Virginia,

516
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech, and Stanford. All of those should be winnable games.

517
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: That does not mean Notre Dame will win all of them. Yeah,

518
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: my hunch is out there'll be one in there that

519
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: sneaks up and gets them. So for that reason, I

520
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: think they're both halfway there and living on a prayer,

521
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: because I don't think this Notre Dame team is truly

522
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: that great, at least not an offense. But the schedule

523
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: sets up well in that it's not too hard to

524
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: see them going eleven to one and actually being in

525
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: the conversation at the end.

526
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: It does seem like there is a lot more Notre

527
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Dame national apathy than usual. Like people haven't been loving

528
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: on people haven't been asking questions about people haven't been

529
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: hating on Notre Dame. I feel as if, and maybe

530
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 2: this is just me, I just speak for myself, the

531
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: Notre Dame opinions this year have been a lot fewer

532
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: and farther between to me. Does that ring true at

533
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: all to you? Or they're just like they're not playing

534
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: important games, but they're not blowing teams out, so people

535
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: can't say they're overrated, and so like you have the

536
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: Wisconsin game in Chicago with a lot of fanfare, but

537
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: then the story was sort of like Wisconsin collapsing as

538
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: a program. Like I just I don't feel like the

539
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: takes are existing for Notre Dame. Is that have you

540
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: come across that your findings away from like Notre Dame

541
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: message boards or whatever.

542
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: There aren't as many takesmen if they had beaten Cincinnati,

543
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: it might have been a different story, right, But I

544
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: think we are squarely in the camp of people enjoying

545
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 3: being able to doubt Notre Dame and Notre Dame fans,

546
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: at least those of us who aren't delusional, fully understanding that, yeah,

547
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: this team has some flaws. So there's more of an

548
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: understanding between the trolls and the fans than there is

549
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: an adorable year. And I think maybe that's what you're detecting.

550
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: They're just being properly placed in the conversation this year.

551
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: They're not being taken seriously, but they're also not being

552
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: doubt like it's just sort of like, yeah, Notre Dame

553
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: is just over there doing its thing, rotating quarterbacks, and

554
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: we don't expect much from them.

555
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah right.

556
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: And I don't think Notre Dames. Notre Dame fans themselves

557
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: are saying watch out for the Irish. You guys don't know,

558
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: watch out for this team, because all the Notre Dame

559
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: fans know their struggles and their issues upfront on offense

560
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: and the issues at quarterback and coming in and out.

561
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: So I just think they're properly placed, which is an

562
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: unusual thing for a program of Notre Dame stature.

563
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: All Right, we got to move on, but I want

564
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: to get play these other teams very quickly, telling me

565
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: quickly halfway there, living on a prayer Coastal Caroline at

566
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: six and zero.

567
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: Halfway there, absolutely strong, doing everything they should. They returned

568
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: to ton love the story of the Chunts.

569
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: The Schultz will not get in the playoff doesn't matter.

570
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: They're still very, very good and a ton of fun

571
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: to watch Wake Forest. I think we agree living on

572
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: a prayer, sure, but also a good team. Also a

573
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: good team, and just because they don't make it into

574
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: the top ten does not mean the seasons of failure.

575
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: If in the end they end up being ranked twenty

576
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: first with two three losses, I think that would represent

577
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: a really good season for Dave. Clawson.

578
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: Should also mention the rest of their schedule features entirely

579
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: winnable game. I know, so you don't have to be

580
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: a believer in them as a twelve to zero program,

581
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: But you can also look at a down Clemson, a

582
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: down North Carolina and say, man, they're going to epus

583
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: their way to like a New Year six game, like

584
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: it's in the realm of possibility.

585
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: Arkansas at seventeen, it's hard for me to view any

586
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: part of this Arkansas season as living on a prayer.

587
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: So they've already accomplished their goal. They're going to a

588
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: bowl game, Yeah, they're probably going to go to a

589
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: bowl game, I should say, which very much seemed in

590
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: doubt before the season when we looked at the schedule.

591
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: So the job that Sam Pittman's doing, they're going to

592
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: go to a bowl. Any way you shape the season,

593
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: it's going to be successful. Yep.

594
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: They could also lose four of their next five. It's

595
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: all on the table with this Arkansas team. But yeah,

596
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: they'll be a bowl team.

597
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: They will.

598
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: I think they'll get to eight wins, definitely. Arizona State

599
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: at five and one, Dan, I think they're for real.

600
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: I mean with what the Pac twelve is looking like

601
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: and or not looking like. Yeah, I think they are

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: are halfway there. I'm a believer.

603
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: They are in a tough matchup this weekend on the

604
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: road at Utah, pretty even matchup, But the rest of

605
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: the way their final five games, they are projected to

606
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: win by at least a touchdown in all their remaining games.

607
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: It does not mean they will ASU. There's a little

608
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: bit of a trust issue there when it comes to

609
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: picking them to win. But nonetheless it's a good team.

610
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: They seem like they're getting better and the PAC twelve

611
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: is there if they want to grab it.

612
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I view ASU as not being the fastest car,

613
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: but the one with the most gas.

614
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: I just correct BYU and Florida.

615
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm a BYU believer, So I'm

616
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: going to say living on a prayer. Just because their

617
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: schedule is sort of week in, week out tricky Florida, Huh,

618
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: they haven't had Jory. I don't know what the back

619
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: half of their schedule looks like, but I'm inclined to

620
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: say halfway there. I'm inclined to say this is a

621
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: program with a new starting quarterback that they're going these

622
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, Emery Jones has taken lumps, will continue to

623
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: take lumps. But track record wise, skill position wise, line

624
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: play wise, I think they're gonna keep moving forward. So

625
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, h halfway there. Two, I mean nine

626
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: or ten wins.

627
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Florida is an overwhelming favorite in five of their six

628
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: next games. Yeah, five of their next six games or

629
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: whatever it is, Yeah, five of their next six. The

630
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: Georgia game will be interesting. Right now, the projected margin

631
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: is five points in favor of Georgia, so that could

632
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: be a tough matchup. We already saw that Florida played

633
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: Alabama very close. If they can do the same to Georgia,

634
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: if maybe they can knock off Georgia, that's going to

635
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: be further chaos in this year twenty twenty one seas.

636
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that's beyond the realm of possibilities. But

637
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: the problem I have with that is that Georgie's defense

638
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: has shown no vulnerability thus far to anyone. We'll find

639
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: out a little bit more about him this weekend against Kentucky.

640
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: But I think Florida's halfway there. I don't think they're

641
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: living on a prayer. I don't think there's any bit

642
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: of this team that's a mirage. They still have some

643
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: things are trying to work out, but this is a

644
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: good team and they're going to get their crack at Georgia.

645
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: They will.

646
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: If you're gonna underthink that matchup, it's Emery Jones throwing

647
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: it to the Georgia defense.

648
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: If you're gonna shall we just move on? Let's move on.

649
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: And finally, Dan, dirty jobs, dirty jobs, dirty jobs. Our

650
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Speaker 3: friends over at the Athletic Nicole Auerback, Matt Ford, Tuna,

651
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Speaker 3: and David Oven put together a long ride up on

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Speaker 3: the hardest jobs in college football, and I thought we

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Speaker 3: might take five good minutes to talk about that. Sure,

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Speaker 3: excellent work by our good friends over there again at

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Speaker 3: the Athletic Go and check that out if you haven't already.

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Speaker 3: What was this article? What are some of the teams

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Speaker 3: that were listed? Are there any items that jump out

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Speaker 3: to you?

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Speaker 2: No, it was not altogether surprising. A lot of it confirmed.

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Speaker 2: This was what Nicole Mattfortuna spoke to ads and people

661
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Speaker 2: within college football about the most difficult places to win,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of teams like Vanderbilt or Kansas that

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Speaker 2: are at such a disadvantage because of either academics or

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Speaker 2: living in the shadow of another sport or facilities. But

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Speaker 2: you know, when you talk about schools like Texas or

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Speaker 2: Nebraska or Miami, that's fascinating to me because it's what

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Speaker 2: we've talked about, that these are places that are difficult

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Speaker 2: to win but don't necessarily have the challenges of those

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Speaker 2: other schools. And so to you is like, if you

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Speaker 2: are an up and coming coach, would you rather have

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Speaker 2: a crack at a school like Vandy or Kansas or

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Speaker 2: Rutgers knowing that expectations aren't high, but also so what

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00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: you have to work with won't be high in terms

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Speaker 2: of campus, in terms of recruits, whatever, or go to

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Speaker 2: a place like Nebraska or Texas or Miami where Nebraska

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: has the history, Nebraska has the expectations without the recruiting.

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00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: Miami has the recruiting but not the infrastructure. In Texas

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Speaker 2: has the political spider webs behind the scenes. So like,

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Speaker 2: what is where is the place that you can navigate

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Speaker 2: the easiest if you're an up and coming coach? And

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Speaker 2: so I went back and forth, and I don't really

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Speaker 2: know the answer. I think Vanderbilt's probably too impossible given

683
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Speaker 2: what the SEC looks like, right, But I think some

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Speaker 2: of the school, like Rutgers, I think is interesting, even

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Speaker 2: though I don't think, you know, looking at the Big

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Speaker 2: Ten and the rest of the culture of Big ten

687
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: schools and facilities of Big ten schools, Rutgers is at

688
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Speaker 2: least interesting because there's talent in New Jersey. There's talent

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Speaker 2: in New Jersey that you can build with without there

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00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: being expectations. And now I know, administratively, behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: Rutgers is difficult, and you know, you have to overcome

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Speaker 2: a lot, but Rutgers is interesting. A place like Oregon

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Speaker 2: State is interesting, Washington State is interesting. I still don't

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Speaker 2: think it can be at all fun to be at

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Speaker 2: a place like Miami or Texas. I think when you're there,

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Speaker 2: I think there's going to be a part of your

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Speaker 2: job that people expect you to win eleven games, and

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Speaker 2: it's so much harder to win eleven games than to

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Speaker 2: win six. And I think I would rather take a

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Speaker 2: crack at one of those smaller schools because there, I mean,

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Speaker 2: college football is a sport that just people live in

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Speaker 2: the past. People everywhere you go, people live in the past,

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Speaker 2: and it's impossible to change that part of people's brains.

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Speaker 2: At places like Texas and Miami and USC, it's just impossible.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of those are like three no win jobs

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Speaker 2: to me, And so yeah, I'd rather just take my

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Speaker 2: crack at and find the right space for you.

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Speaker 3: What do you think I'm looking at the article NOWSCA

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Speaker 3: being as high as it is, I think it is

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Speaker 3: really instructive. I'll read a couple of the quotes here.

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Speaker 3: Per one Power five assistant, it's a great history and

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00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: fan base, but it's a hard area to recruit to

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Speaker 3: population location and the league they're in right now puts

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Speaker 3: them like all the other teams in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: When they were in the Big Twelve, they were the

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Speaker 3: big and physical team in a league full speed. They

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Speaker 3: had a niche. Yeah mm hmm. Also, the past tends

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Speaker 3: to haunt the Huskers, and that's one thing that I

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Speaker 3: know as a Notre Dame fan. We've seen time and

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Speaker 3: again the past being a really successful blue blood program

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Speaker 3: in the past and definitely have some ramifications when it

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Speaker 3: comes to trying to build a new program with a

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Speaker 3: new coach moving forward.

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Speaker 2: There's something interesting to me still about Nebraska and they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to rethink. And I was on a

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Speaker 2: Nebraska podcast a couple months ago, I think it was

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Speaker 2: the Coornation podcast, and you're absolutely right in pulling that

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Speaker 2: quote about like they have to be very specific and

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Speaker 2: they were a niche niche in the Big twelve. What

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith, for example, has done, or what Bill Snyder did,

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Speaker 2: where you take in transfers, you recruit to a very

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Speaker 2: specific system. Now, if that's speed, that's gonna be more

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Speaker 2: difficult because fast dudes are not necessarily from the state

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Speaker 2: of Nebraska or the states surrounding Nebraska. I think they

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Speaker 2: can build up in an interesting way through the transfer

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Speaker 2: market and through becoming a destination for be an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: You see what they've done on defense. They have a

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Speaker 2: defense that's capable of winning the Big Ten West, right

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Speaker 2: if they're able to sort of become more consistent on offense,

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to look maybe FCS quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to look at JC quarterbacks for a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But I think Nebraska can win. I don't

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Speaker 2: think they're going to become a superpower, but I think

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Speaker 2: they can become. And I think most Nebraska fans feel

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Speaker 2: this way. They just want competence on both sides of

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Speaker 2: the ball. They just want to only lose to clearly

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Speaker 2: more talented teams, and that's just not the case right now.

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Speaker 2: So I think Nebraska is a little bit more interesting

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Speaker 2: than those like I think Nebraska is a more interesting

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Speaker 2: place to win than Texas. I think the I mean,

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Speaker 2: you still have to deal with a lot of those

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Speaker 2: same political issues at Nebraska, but I think there's so

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Speaker 2: much money and expectations at Texas. I think expectations at

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Speaker 2: Nebraska are trending more towards realism right now, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think they are at Texas.

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Speaker 3: One other interesting team on here is Tennessee. And the

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Speaker 3: quote that I thought was really instructive was not much

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Speaker 3: in state talent compared to a lot of the other

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Speaker 3: SEC schools, but you've got controlling donors and sky high expectations.

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Speaker 3: The other tidbit here Tennessee was great is a quote

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Speaker 3: from a group of five assistant Tennessee was great because

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Speaker 3: Clemson wasn't around North Carolina, wasn't around those great Tennessee teams.

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Speaker 3: He's I'm assuming referring to like the late nineties teams

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Speaker 3: and play came from that area.

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Speaker 2: So competition, I mean, you remember those stories about Lane

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Speaker 2: Kiffin and the gas station attendant going in and recruiting

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Speaker 2: against teams in South Carolina. The Carolina is in general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's something that we've seen around college football

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Speaker 3: right as some programs have been able to recruit more

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Speaker 3: effectively in their own regions as well as nationally that

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Speaker 3: is infringed on the territory of others. Miami might be

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Speaker 3: a good example of that as well, as they've seen

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Speaker 3: some competition from places like Alabama. So it's it's definitely

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Speaker 3: interesting to watch Tennessee now as they kind of move forward.

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Speaker 3: If they can define themselves as having that high flying

776
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Speaker 3: offense under Josh Hypel's going to say, it's some of

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Speaker 3: that territory back.

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Speaker 2: If they are able to establish a brand of developing quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily winning eleven games right away, but if they

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Speaker 2: can establish a brand of like, we're going to bombit

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Speaker 2: downfield successfully, then you have a school at Ohio State

782
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Speaker 2: with five good quarterbacks. Then you have a school like Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: then you like Georgia with that are like stockpiling these

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Speaker 2: good quarterbacks and eventually somebody's gonna leave and they're gonna say,

785
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Speaker 2: who's gonna put me in position to bombit downfield and

786
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: run a high flying offense. And that's a great starting

787
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Speaker 2: point for Tennessee to have that identity almost immediately as

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Speaker 2: they try to fill in the gaps with recruiting, with

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Speaker 2: transfers whatever. Tennessee has a tough road ahead in the

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Speaker 2: SEC and especially the SEC East with Georgia looming and

791
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Speaker 2: Florida there, but man, just to have that as your

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Speaker 2: first step of like, hey, quarterbacks are gonna thrive here.

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Speaker 2: Guess what who? Then who comes receivers? Then who comes

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00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: offensive line? Like It's just it's a really good starting point.

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Speaker 2: And so I am bullish at the moment. I'm bullish

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Speaker 2: on Tennessee's future as an intriguing place. Anything else here

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Speaker 2: that jumps out at you, Dan, I mean, I've long

798
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: been that person who has said those big schools who

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00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: have quote talent in their backyard that are in big

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Speaker 2: cities Texas, USC, Miami, and Miami is different because they

801
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: just they don't have the base and they're you know,

802
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: the home atmosphere is just different. I think there are

803
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: unique challenges to those places. So I think this article

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00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: nailed it in terms of highlighting difficult jobs. I think

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00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: they also mentioned Alabama in terms of a difficult job.

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Speaker 2: It's like, even for Nick Saban, it's kind of a

807
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: no win situation. He's just such a pro at managing

808
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: expectations and obviously meeting expectations that he's just the legend

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00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: that he is. But that's a no win job when

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Speaker 2: he leaves.

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Speaker 3: Well, write in Soliverable at gmail dot com let us

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Speaker 3: know your thoughts on this article. Will link it up

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Speaker 3: in I did a great jobs. Yeah, they did a

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Speaker 3: really good job. Kudos to Nicole and Matt and David

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Speaker 3: for putting this together and combining a ton of different

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Speaker 3: sources to give us this insight that has again over

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic dot com.

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