1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: We weren't prepared for the hurricanes, we weren't prepared for 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: the earthquakes, and we're definitely prepared for this global health emergency. 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA by Maria ino Josa. 4 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico was not in good shape when the first 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: cases of COVID nineteen appeared back in February. The island 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: is still going through a severe economic depression, and it's 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: still recovering from the devastation left by back to back 8 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: hurricanes Irma and Maria in twenty seventeen. After Hurricane Maria, 9 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: hospitals and clinics throughout the island were overwhelmed. 10 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: In Puerto Rico, the government says one of its top 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: priorities is restoring power to the island's hospitals and people. 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: You can imagine all over this island, maybe a desperate condition, 13 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: maybe they need dialysis, maybe they've run out of their 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: anti hypertensive medicines, but they simply cannot ask for help. 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: Many of the deaths in Puerto Rico came in the days, weeks, 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: and months after the hurricanes struck last September, raising new 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 4: questions about the federal and local response. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: And experts estimate that almost three thousand people died as 19 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: a result. Then, just one month before the coronavirus crisis 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: started to spread globally, a string of earthquakes and tremors 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: rocked the southern part of the island. 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 5: In Puerto Rico, a state of emergency has been declared 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 5: after a six point four magnitude earthquake struck in the 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 5: early hours of yesterday morning. 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 6: Several houses and buildings crumbled, at least one public school plummeted. 26 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: To the ground, and some area hospitals had to be evacuated. 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: We felt tremors throughout the night and this morning. We 28 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: can expect more seismic activity in the days to come. 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: With a vulnerable population and a precarious healthcare system, experts 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: warned that without an adequate response to the pandemic, the 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: toll on the island from COVID nineteen could be ten 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: times deadlier than Hurricane Maria's. 33 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: And because I felt that the government, the local government 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: was not telling the story that we needed to hear 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: in order to understand what we were going to face 36 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: during this pandemic, I started reaching out to scientists. 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: Edmiya Yala has been reporting on this story from early on. 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: She's a co founder of the local media outlet Nueve Millones, 39 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: and she's focused on the efforts of the scientific community 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico and its diaspora to fight the virus. 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: Edmiya Yala, welcome to Latino, USA. 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me. Maria. 43 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: So Anny, take me back to the moment when you 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: remember first hearing about COVID nineteen on the island. 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: So, the first cases reported in Puerto Rico with COVID 46 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: nineteen were tourists in late February, and the first case 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: that tested positive that I heard about was an Italian 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: tourist who arrived aboard a cruise ship called Costa Dominosa. 49 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: There was some concern. 50 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 7: We had hospitals that had suffered damage after the earthquakes. 51 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: Our hospitals were not overwhelmed then, but there was the 52 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: concern that they could become overwhelmed if the system did 53 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: not do something to prevent the virus from spreading. So 54 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: that is why I talked to doctor Kenira Tomson, who 55 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: is vice president of research at the Ponzalth Sciences University, 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: because she has led the efforts from her research team 57 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: to bring relief after hurricanes and then the twenty twenty earthquakes, 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: so she's been through it all these hospitals. 59 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 7: They were in the process of fixing the damage that 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 7: it occurred due to the earthquakes. When the pandemic struck, 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 7: construction had to be halted and this limited the number 62 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 7: of ICU units intensive cure units available. 63 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: So Ami, when you describe the situation on the island, 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: it really does sound like one thing after another and 65 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: a lack of preparedness at every turn. So in the 66 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: case of this pandemic, what was the Puerto Rican government's response. 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 6: Well, Maria, they were very slow to start. 68 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: It felt surreal because at the same time as the 69 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: whole world was facing COVID nineteen, our public health department 70 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: was in denial and the whole secretary at the time 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: even said that the virus was not going to reach 72 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: us because there are no direct flights from China to 73 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. 74 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 6: So seeing how. 75 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: The government was being so inactive, I really started reaching 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: out to put Rican scientists, and one of these scientists 77 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: is doctor Danikonramo. He's a neuroscientist who runs a lab 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: out of Yale University. 79 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 5: So when I hear the circretary of Health in Puerto 80 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 5: Rico saying that something that's becoming a pandemic will never 81 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 5: make it to Puerto Rico. I become really concerned because 82 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: that means that they're not only unprepared, but completely oblivious 83 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 5: to the dangers that are in the horizon. 84 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: At this point, it's late February, and by now there 85 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: is a sense that there is a deadly pandemic, that 86 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: it is again worldwide, and it's already at the doorstep 87 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: of Puerto Rico, and the local health department doesn't seem 88 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: to be preparing for it. I mean, it does begin 89 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: to sound like a recipe for disaster. 90 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yes it does, and it did back at that time, 91 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: and that is why doctor Kennida Thompson started crunching the 92 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: numbers with her team and making statistical models to try 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: and predict the impact of the virus in Puerto Rico, 94 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: because until. 95 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 6: Then, Maria, we really did not know what was going on. 96 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 7: And this was done extremely quickly, in less than twenty 97 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 7: four hours, so we very early on identified that there 98 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 7: was the potential for this to spread. 99 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: According to doctor Coron Ramos, at that time, there was 100 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: a grim projection that between fifteen thousand to sixty thousand 101 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: people would die if nothing was done. And you have 102 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: to understand, Maria, these projections take into account a lot 103 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: of factors, so that is why the projections are so 104 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: wide ranging. But even fifteen thousand people for an island 105 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: with a population of three million is a lot. 106 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 5: I know some people might hear those numbers now and say, wow, 107 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: that was an exaggeration, But you know, if they think so, 108 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: they're really blinded to the fact that that happened in 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: Lombard in Italy. They're blinded to the fact that that 110 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 5: happened in New York, and had that happened in Puerto 111 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 5: Rico would have been much worse because the health systems 112 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 5: in Italy and the health systems in New York are 113 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 5: far stronger than ours. We all know what happened during 114 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 5: the hurricane when the hospitals lost capacity and people died 115 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 5: because they couldn't perform dialysis. 116 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: And seeing how weakend our hospital system was, we know 117 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: that the situation here in Puerto Rico could have been 118 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: a replay of all those things. 119 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: Was the government aware of these projections that these scientists 120 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: were coming up with, What did they do about this? 121 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 6: Well, there was really one thing to do. 122 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: Eldos de Marson Americancian Plaza Puerto Rico yel Mundo Aris 123 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: de Coronavirus COVID di Sinueve. 124 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 6: Put the whole island on lockdown. 125 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: So Governor van da Basqiz did just that on March fifteenth. 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico became one of the first, if not the 127 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: first jurisdiction to do a full lockdown. And what made 128 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: this lockdown so strict is that basically, if you were 129 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: in the streets after nine pm, you could go to 130 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: jail or you could be fined. 131 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 6: And I'm talking to. 132 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: You in early June Maria and we're still with a 133 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: police and forced curfew. Now it is from seven pm 134 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: to five am, but that is what. 135 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 6: Experts were recommending, a full lockdown. 136 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 7: The scientific literature had indicated that this drastic type of 137 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 7: measure needed to happen because we knew that we had 138 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 7: limited testing capacity, that we really had no way to 139 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 7: do contact tracing. 140 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: It surprised a lot of people because politically it meant 141 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe a blow for the governor's reelection campaign. 142 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: I don't know, when you think about it, it really 143 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 2: sounds like the lockdown on the island was really the 144 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: only option, but how does the government follow up lockdown 145 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: and then what? 146 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 6: So we knew the virus had arrived. 147 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: But we didn't know who was infected or how they 148 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: got infected. So that is why mass testing and contact 149 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: tracing is so important. 150 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 6: Because it accomplishes that. 151 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: And even with the really strict stay at home orders 152 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: in place, if you don't identify and isolate the people 153 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: who have COVID nineteen, the virus is still a threat. 154 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 6: It's still out there. 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: So at this point, the capacity of testing from the 156 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Health Department was very low. They were doing around one 157 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty tests a day in their lab. 158 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 5: And what I felt was like was like hell's now. 159 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: So doctor Colon Ramos is actually an expert in both 160 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: scientific capacity in Puerto Rico and PCR molecular testing, so 161 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: he knew that we could do more. 162 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 5: My constant battle is for the implementation of the right 163 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 5: strategies because this is an opportunity that I would not 164 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: like to support. 165 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: A ricolus And the problem was that the government agency 166 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: that was supposed to take the lead and make in 167 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: these tests was facing challenges of its own. 168 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 6: In the span of two weeks, Maria, we. 169 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Had three health secretaries and a scandal broke. 170 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: Officials in Puerto Rico were struggling to test possible COVID 171 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: nineteen patients. This after the governor there canceled a thirty 172 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: eight million dollar contract to buy a million test kits, and. 173 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: The debacle that has been the ability to get more 174 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 4: tests involve the government using a construction company that had 175 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: no experience with medical supplies, so it turned into quite 176 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 4: a scandal. 177 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: But as of last week, Puerto Rico is reporting a 178 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 5: testing rate lower than any US state, at an abysmal 179 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 5: average of fifteen tests a day for every one hundred 180 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 5: thousand people. 181 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: The health department was trying to purchase FAULTI rapid tests 182 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: from a construction company based in Puerto Rico for thirty 183 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: eight million dollars, and this local company was trying to 184 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,479 Speaker 1: buy these tests from a little known provider in Australia. 185 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 6: It all seemed super shady. 186 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Luckily the purchase was stopped at the last second, but 187 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the whole affair is currently under investigation. 188 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: So this just gets stranger and stranger this story. But 189 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 2: sadly we're talking about is people's lives. So at this 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: point the tests are now scarce there's, you know, this 191 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: real concern about corruption. So at this point, was there 192 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: any way to get massive testing underway in a way 193 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: that was appropriate and smart and correct. 194 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 6: It was a reality. 195 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico was at the bottom of the list of 196 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: testing in US jurisdictions, and scientists just came together to 197 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: really try to revamp our testing capacity and they tapped 198 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: into this huge network of more than thirteen thousand mostly 199 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican scientists, students and educators from an organization that 200 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: is called sin Ser Puerto Rico, and they with the 201 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico Science Technology and Research Trust, which is an 202 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: NGO that also advocates for science here, came together with 203 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: the Ponze Health Sciences University. They got together with the 204 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: biggest clinical testing labs in Puerto Rico. 205 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: We convene as scientists, we convene again the groups that 206 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: are doing these tests, and we got the precise numbers 207 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 5: of tests that they're unable to access. 208 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 6: And they made up a CONSORTI. 209 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: The consort that we ended up forming. The scientists with 210 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 5: these clinical reference laboratories enabled us to not only understand 211 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 5: the barriers that we're facing, but also the ability they 212 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: had to do tests. 213 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: And you have to remember Maria and most of these 214 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: scientists have day jobs, they run labs, they're teaching and 215 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: doing research, but they're really focused and were determined to 216 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: help Puerto Rico. 217 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 6: We were scared. 218 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 7: We were really trying to expand our testing capacity and 219 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 7: that was challenging and communicating with the government. 220 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 6: Was that that easy? 221 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 7: But nonetheless we kept moving forward. 222 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: Coming up on Latino USA. 223 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 5: This is a situation where you have a tipping point 224 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: in which Puerto Rico will make history as one of 225 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 5: the few places that could be COVID free, or it 226 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 5: can tip over in the other direction where this health 227 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,119 Speaker 5: system collapses. 228 00:13:31,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: Stay with us, Yes, hey, we're back, and I'm joined 229 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: by Edmi Ayala. She's co founder of the Puerto Rican 230 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: News outlets. Before the break, Edmi was telling us about 231 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: the lack of critical COVID testing in Puerto Rico. As 232 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: we return to our conversation now, Edmie tells me the 233 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: story of a group of Puerto Rican scientists who refused 234 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: to take no for an answer as they came together 235 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: to ramp up massive testing on the island. So, I mean, 236 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: this sounds like a pretty extraordinary task that these scientists 237 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: decide to take on kind of forward thinking, strategic planning, 238 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: massive prepping, essentially the job that the government in Puerto 239 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: Rico wasn't doing. So they knew what they wanted to do, 240 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: but did they have a strategy to make the testing happen. 241 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: So, if you remember Maria, it was exactly one day 242 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: after the full lockdown in Puerto Rico on March sixteenth, 243 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: the World Health Organization's message to the world and the 244 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: world's leaders was testing, testing, testing, and at that point 245 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: we had five positive cases and no deaths, but those 246 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: two numbers were on the rise, and the consortium was 247 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: advocating for a specific type of tests, the PCR test. 248 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 6: Which doctor Daniel Conondramos happens to be an expert in. 249 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 5: I never imagind that I was going to see the 250 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: day where a governor was going to stand up in 251 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: a pollium and talk about PCR molecular tests like this 252 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: is a technique that I've been doing my whole life, 253 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 5: almost daily. It's I'm an expert on it. I know 254 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: it very well, and I never even mind that somebody 255 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 5: will be interested in hearing how it works. 256 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: You may know at me that I never got a 257 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen test, but I was sick, and I recently 258 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: did get an antibody test here in New York City 259 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: and I did test positive. 260 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, firstly, I'm glad you're you're okay, Maria. 261 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: It was not fun, but now I'm super healthy. Thank God. 262 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad to hear that, really, But actually, you're 263 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: a good example as to how this antibody test should 264 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: be used because they detect the antibodies that the body 265 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: produces after being infected by the virus, and that happens 266 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: after about. 267 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 6: Two weeks of getting infected. 268 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: That's the difference between antibody tests and PCR molecular test. 269 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 6: The PCR is a. 270 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: Diagnostic test that the texts if you have the virus 271 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: at that precise moment. 272 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: The presence of the antibodies. I like to make the 273 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: analogy of the difference betw to be seeing a person 274 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 5: walking on the beach and seeing their footsteps, like their 275 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 5: footprints in the beach. 276 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Colondramos is actually recognized among his peers as mister Analogy. 277 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: He's been very good at explaining the science behind the 278 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: health response through interviews and even social media. 279 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 5: If you see footprints in the beach, you know that 280 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: somebody was there for sure, but you don't know who 281 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 5: he was, and you don't know when they were there. 282 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: And it's very similar actually, for these antiboty tests. You 283 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 5: could have had the virus two days before, you could 284 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 5: have had the virus three months before, depending on your 285 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 5: conditions of the body. The antiboti is that your body 286 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: produced the type of virus, et cetera. So when you 287 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 5: have a result for that test, you don't really know 288 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: if you have the virus. 289 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: So the molecular PCR tests, those are the ones that 290 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: doctor Colondramos and doctor Thompson and the rest of the team. 291 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: These are the ones that they're trying to get going 292 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico because with these tests you can immediately 293 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: see who has the virus, right and you don't have 294 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: to wait for the antibodies to form. 295 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. 296 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: They are the ones that entail swab being inserted up 297 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: your nose. 298 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 7: Way up there, and it scrapes around and it collects 299 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 7: a sample of secretions from that area. 300 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: The sample in that swab is preserved by a special 301 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: pink liquid that is called that transport agent, and the 302 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: pink liquid is used to contain and keep the virus alive. 303 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 6: So you can do the testing. 304 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 7: So from the beginning, this issue of we don't have 305 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 7: enough swaps and we definitely don't have enough transport medium 306 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 7: to be able to handle the testing volume that we 307 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 7: were facing as a group. 308 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: So this type of tools were in high global demand 309 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because at the same time, every country in the world 310 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: is needing them, and this posed a challenge for the team. 311 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: So scientists from the diaspora got in touch with CEOs 312 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: of pharmaceutical companies. 313 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 6: To get these supplies. 314 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: But these companies were categorized in Puerto Rico as an 315 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: independent country, not a territory of the US, and. 316 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 5: Those companies they said, look, we're making our priority list 317 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 5: based on recommendations from HHS in the federal government. 318 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 6: The US Department of Health and Human Services. 319 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 5: And Puerto Rico is not a priority, so we does 320 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 5: not accept all right. 321 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: So it's actually a catch twenty two because Puerto Rico 322 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: is part of the US and it is subject to 323 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: federal regulations, and federal regulations affect local response. So doctor 324 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: Colon Ramos told me that not seeing Puerto Rico on 325 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: those lists makes him feel frustrated every. 326 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 5: Time I see a list of countries, so I look 327 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 5: for Puerto Rico is not present. Then you see a 328 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 5: list of territories of the US and States and Puerto 329 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: Rico is not present. It's almost like a place that 330 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 5: doesn't exist. And so as Puerto rican like, my scientific 331 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: identity has very much been linked to giving a voice 332 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: to the fact that this place exists and is part 333 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 5: of the world and can contribute. 334 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean, this is just fascinating because it just goes 335 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: to show how doctors, scientists, medical professionals, you know, they 336 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: can make decisions about what they want to do with 337 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: their lives and their professions in a moment like this, 338 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: in a worldwide pandemic. So at this point, at me, 339 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: what does the consortium do. They've got this idea, how 340 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: do they get their hands on the supplies? 341 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: So Maria, they got creative and genuity seems to come 342 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: very easily in Puerto Rico during hard times. Honestly, there's 343 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: this doctor called Rigardo Baba, He's a professor and the 344 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: University of Puerto Rico, and he remembered that he had 345 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: a company that made these swaps in his hometown back 346 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: in Italy. 347 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 5: And it's actually turns out to be the mail factory 348 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 5: that makes these swaps implanet Earth in the whole planet, 349 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 5: and so he personally contacts the owner. 350 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: And after a few conversations in Italian, he was able 351 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: to ship into Puerto Rico about twenty thousand of these 352 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: swaps that are so so fundamental for testing. 353 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 5: It was that level of networking and ingenuity that enabled 354 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: us to solve the problem. 355 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: But one of my favorite and most exciting stories and 356 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: even heartwarming, is that of doctor Thompson's team deciding to 357 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: hack and make their own transport medium that if you remember, Maria, 358 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: it was a pink liquid I was telling you about earlier, and. 359 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 7: We said, you know what, what could possibly be in 360 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 7: this ventral transport medium that we couldn't make. So we 361 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 7: started doing our research and trying to figure out what 362 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 7: it was, and sure enough, we put together a recipe, 363 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 7: we had all the ingredients that were needed, and this 364 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 7: viral transport medium was concocted. 365 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Colon Ramos actually says that this happening was a 366 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: turning point. 367 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 5: I think for the community and for the laboratories, both 368 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 5: in their ability to perform the test, but also in 369 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 5: how they imagining their own roles in making sure that 370 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 5: testing will happen in Puerto Rico, no matter the barriers 371 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 5: that the world was facing. 372 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: When this group of scientists and private labs started meeting, 373 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico was only doing no more than one hundred 374 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: and fifty tests a day. But now they're doing three thousand, 375 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: and they're aiming to do more, and. 376 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: We estimate that we can easily break five thousand tests 377 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 5: a day, which is what the territory will need to 378 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 5: be able to respond to this pandemic. 379 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: So at this point you've got this commitment from Puerto 380 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: Rican scientists around the world to basically change the reality, 381 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: to not take this pandemic sitting down. The island goes 382 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: from one hundred and fifty daily tests to three thousand 383 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: daily tests at this point. How does Puerto Rico now 384 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: compare to other places? 385 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: Well, according to doctor Colon Ramos, they've done around one 386 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: hundred thousand tests in total. So I can tell you 387 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: this Puerto Rico is no longer in the very bottom 388 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: of the list. 389 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: Give us a sense of what's happening now. There's a 390 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: lot of pressure on the mainland to reopen in a 391 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: lot of places. Other places like New York are still 392 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: on a pretty strict lockdown, so is Puerto Rico ready 393 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: to reopen. What's the sentiment of the people. 394 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: We're actually in the second phase of our reopening, which 395 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: happened in the last week of May. 396 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 6: But people are worried because of the lack of data. 397 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: We still don't really understand or cannot grasp how the 398 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: virus is impacting the whole island because of this lack 399 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: of data reporting. Currently the local health department is reporting 400 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight and a total of almost 401 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: four thousand cases, and there's really a sense that the 402 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: government has not been transparent with the science behind their decisions. 403 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 5: We need to establish these approaches of the correct testing, 404 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 5: the correct reporting of data, transparency, accuracy in the reporting. 405 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: So that's what we don't have. 406 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: So Maria, doctor colon Ramos told me that this can 407 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: go two ways. 408 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: Puerto Rico will make history as one of the few 409 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 5: places that could be COVID three, or it can tip 410 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 5: over in the other direction, where this health system collapses, 411 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 5: where you have exponential infections and the health system can 412 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 5: just not manage. The difference between those two outcomes are 413 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 5: the decisions that are being made right now. 414 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: So what's your sense of how people are reacting about 415 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: this and if you're feeling like it's safe for the 416 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: island to begin to open back up again. 417 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell what the future may bring, 418 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: and I think globally it's the reality we're facing as 419 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: a planet, as humans in the middle of this pandemic. 420 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: But no matter what happens, we can look back on 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: this and see two things. First, the strict government mandated 422 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: lockdown worked and it saved lives. And second, the government 423 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: got a lot of help from an amazing network of scientists, 424 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: institutions and private labs that really got together to help 425 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico at a time where the COVID nineteen pandemic 426 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: could have really gotten out of control in the island. 427 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: It's not over yet and it's not clear that the 428 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: right decisions will be made going forward, but what we 429 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: do know is a prto Rican scientist all over the 430 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: world are looking after us, and Maria, I won't lie 431 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: to you. It's pretty comforting to know that during these 432 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: hard times and on certain times, we have a group 433 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: like that looking after our island. 434 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: We wish you the best ed me and for the 435 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: entire island of Puerto Rico. Venizionies as we say This 436 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: episode was produced by Edmia Yala and Camille Padilla, with 437 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: help from Luis Tres and Me and Massias. It was 438 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: edited by Sophia Palissa car The Latino USA team includes 439 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: Antonio Sejido Montgo, alisaes Carse and Alexandra Sasad, with help 440 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: from Rapes. 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