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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: New Reuters ipso's poll says fifty one percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. Notice

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Speaker 1: his own Evan McMorris, San Toro stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: about the post Epstein email fallout. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Semaphore's Dave Weigel about the vibe shift since election Day.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: What would you say if I told you that Trump

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Speaker 3: is taking his cues from Zoronmandani.

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Speaker 1: I would say that I wouldn't actually be that surprised,

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Speaker 1: because I had some reporting that's said as much.

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Speaker 3: Well, now all everybody's talking about is affordability, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's a very interesting story that particularly more is

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Speaker 3: Cats told on our podcast last week that when everybody

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Speaker 3: was thinking of other things, Zoron had a hunch that

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Speaker 3: even though the pulling said othertherwise, that affordability was the

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Speaker 4: And now it's trickled all the way up to the

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Speaker 1: So we know that Trump found Mondani to be popular

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Speaker 1: and to be charming, and that he had sort of

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Speaker 1: like game recognized his game, Like he saw a politician

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Speaker 1: both threatened and also inspired by it. But the problem

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Speaker 1: was affordability for Trump. Is that Trump is now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's basically in if you do the math, his fifth

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Speaker 1: year in office, and he has yet to make anything

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Speaker 1: more affordable. If anything, things seemed to be less affordable

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Speaker 3: Right, you walk in the grocery aisles, your jaw drops

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Speaker 1: Right, So the idea that Trump could somehow vibe shift

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Speaker 1: this seems in my mind to be kind of not

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Speaker 1: But maybe he'll be able to do it. But this

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Speaker 1: affordability issue is kind of like I just don't think

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Speaker 1: you can put lipstick on a pig like this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's this idea that the richest cabinet in the world, right,

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Speaker 1: the first three months you had Elon Musk practicing reverse philanthropy.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to spin this as now they care about

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Speaker 1: affordability just because Democrats want an election on affordability.

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Speaker 3: So Fanny Willis's Georgia election interference case against Trump will

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Speaker 3: carry on for now with a new prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah again, look, this is super interesting because, like, this

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Speaker 1: is something that Trump does not want, just like the

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Speaker 1: Epstein files being released, just like the Supreme Court arguing

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Speaker 1: against his tariffs, right, just like him hearing some of

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Speaker 1: his Supreme Court justices complaining about the tariffs or pushing

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Speaker 1: back on the tariffs. This is not what Donald Trump wants.

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Speaker 1: And you know, little cracks in Trumpism are showing, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you could say I'm being overly optimistic, but

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Speaker 1: I really think that's what this is. Like, he is

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Speaker 1: losing his power over the Republican Party. When Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 1: when these people are breaking with him, they're breaking with

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Speaker 1: him because they see opportunity, because they see a place

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Speaker 1: where the party is no longer Donald Trump's. And so

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Speaker 1: things like this, every little bit of this starts to

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Speaker 1: disintegrate the power of trump Ism. And these things are meaningful.

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Speaker 1: And Georgia is a really good example of the place

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I totally agree with you that I think

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Speaker 1: Think about this is like a backlash to a backlash

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Speaker 1: her minimum wage income to pay for braces. The alleged

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Speaker 1: this guy could have been the head of the DOJ.

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Speaker 1: Like the DOJ.

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Speaker 3: Everybody think he was running for governor this round, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think this is the end of that.

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Speaker 4: In congratulations Governor Byron do.

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Speaker 1: It's so so so disturbing, and it's so dark and

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Speaker 3: When we did our little dot com project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: will be adopting the Heritage Foundation's school agenda.

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Speaker 1: This is so if Florida has really cooked its own

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Speaker 1: It's developed by again, this is Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Basically Florida Governor Ronda sant All Governor Ronde Santas wants

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Speaker 1: sort of ideological bent. And so they're going to take

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Speaker 1: what they'll do to these kids. They'll teach them, you

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Speaker 1: Isn't this actually just political campaigns? Like it's a little

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Speaker 1: ironic trojan horse. Here, here we are, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: and there we go. Dave Weigel is a reporter at

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Speaker 1: some before. Welcome to Fast Politics, Evan, Alight, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. I'm so excited to have you to talk

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Speaker 5: That's your evergreen intro, right, you use that for every

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Speaker 1: I think today sometimes American politics is just really disappointing

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it's really worrying. But right now we're in

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Speaker 1: oh no, these guys are doing what they did last time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know I did. I was in a

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Speaker 5: And everything, and the funny thing about it is that

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Speaker 5: then where we sit today, the President looks completely feckless.

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Speaker 5: And the Democrats, which like three days ago were like

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Speaker 5: in this world in which Trump is once again bad

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Speaker 1: He's also, my man is underwater on all the things.

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Speaker 5: Look, the most interesting thing I've been tracking this since

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Speaker 1: Yes, the fifty year mortgage that nobody wants. What you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very traffic emailing.

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Speaker 1: Did it work the first and last time that Lauren

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean never say never. Twenty twenty eats

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Speaker 1: Why do you hate me? But as Sarah Palin Lauren

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Speaker 5: Now, I think it's a Bobert emptg. I think I

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Speaker 4: I think it's well, you do.

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Speaker 5: like desperately want want that to be real. They're the

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Speaker 5: ones who are saying Trump is really messing up this messaging.

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Speaker 5: So that to me was really fascinating, and I think

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Speaker 5: there was a really illuminating as to where this moment

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Speaker 5: is that like they really don't know how to deal

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Speaker 5: with this because they've got a guy at the top

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Speaker 5: to keep saying, what are you talking at? Hoakx fak,

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Speaker 5: they're making this up and like nobody thinks that everybody

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Speaker 5: wants to see these emails, and they're not able to

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Speaker 5: get up in front of it because they have this

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Speaker 5: weird message of like this is not a work, this

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Speaker 5: is a waste of everybody's sorry, and like which by

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Speaker 5: the way, may end up very well being, but like,

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Speaker 5: who do you want to see this?

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Speaker 6: At this point?

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Speaker 5: Who doesn't want to see them?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 1: My favorite for problematic messaging problem involves Megan Kelly, who

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Speaker 1: had a clip where she was saying a young fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old is not the same as a five year old.

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Speaker 1: Live your life, so you are never defending the difference

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Speaker 1: between having sex with teenagers and having sex with toddlers. Fair.

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Speaker 5: Fair, it's a good word to live. I do have that.

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Speaker 5: I do have that tattooed on my arm. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think it's a good it's a good rule of thumb. Look,

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Speaker 5: how did she get.

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Speaker 1: To how did she mental gymnastics herself into a moment

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Speaker 1: where she was defending that?

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Speaker 5: So I look, I think I don't really know what

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Speaker 5: to get in the head of digging Kelly particularly, but

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Speaker 5: I will. You know, this is this thing of how

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Speaker 5: they're all trying to cretchel themselves to deal with this,

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Speaker 5: and you know, this is a good this this is

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Speaker 5: the very like only like the weirdest libertarians you've ever

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Speaker 5: met in your life are the ones who do the like, well,

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Speaker 5: actually California is actually right, like it doesn't really particularly

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Speaker 5: matter very much, like, but but down this road, it's like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is this is one of those stopp incriminating yourselves conversations,

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Speaker 5: you know, right, But I think that, But I think

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Speaker 5: that it's because they're in this really tough spot because

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Speaker 5: they have they have nothing to grab onto because nobody

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Speaker 5: like the messaging of this thing is not like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: put them all out. We're fine, We're fine, but please

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Speaker 5: don't release anything else. And also like, look, you know

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Speaker 5: it's been interesting because Megan tell you think it is

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Speaker 5: representative of something going on in the concerative movement right now.

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Speaker 5: You know, she was the one who really cluded me in.

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Speaker 5: I watched her stream and clued me into all the

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Speaker 5: posts Charlie kirk assassination and talk about the conspiracies and

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Speaker 5: you know, about Israel, about exactly Israel and the idea

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Speaker 5: like she was only clued me into all that because

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Speaker 5: she was the one talking about Candice Owens being a

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Speaker 5: genius and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So she's anti Semitic too.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know anything about that.

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Speaker 5: She says that she's not at all. She's like, she's

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Speaker 5: very strongly she strongly does.

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Speaker 1: Think Israel might be responsible.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, she had a whole clip that was talking

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Speaker 5: about Candace. This is right off the assassination things. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's things have changed ince then. But she talked about

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Speaker 5: how there was a you know, this sort of leading

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Speaker 5: that Charlie Kirk was supposed to have had at Bill

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Speaker 5: Appman's house and like this, you know, and and how

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Speaker 5: it was. The whole idea was that Charlie Kirk was

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Speaker 5: moving into an anti Israel position. And this is only

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Speaker 5: just very worthwhile to note all their worked while to

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Speaker 5: understand and this is a really reasonable conversation to have,

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Speaker 5: and like that is a sort of growing conversation as well.

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Speaker 5: And so when you see making Kelly's saying something that

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Speaker 5: sounds like really like the sort of farthest right take

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Speaker 5: on stuff, it's because like that far right is really

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Speaker 5: gaining a lot of traction right now, and at the

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Speaker 5: same time, the White House is trying to figure out

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Speaker 5: its way through this you know, really self imposed thicket

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Speaker 5: that if I mean, you know, it grew a thicket

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Speaker 5: and jumped into it when it comes to this, you know,

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Speaker 5: to this Epstein stuff, I mean, it's you know that

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Speaker 5: I don't know. The Binders are the perfect example of that,

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Speaker 5: where it's like they didn't release all the files but

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Speaker 5: said that they did, and like the whole thing was

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Speaker 5: really really wild.

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Speaker 1: But like I think this there's all.

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Speaker 5: Swirling in a moment right now where like just suddenly

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Speaker 5: this whole political project does not seem that standing on

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Speaker 5: such a firm ground right now, they're talking about you know,

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Speaker 5: there's some in this conspiracy world. They're Taksinbau, who counts

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Speaker 5: as a panophile. These were paying Megan Kelly, you know

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Speaker 5: even the other people are talking about is the presence

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Speaker 5: bringing up talking about a hoax? Is it is kind

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Speaker 5: of like a moment where if you were in politics,

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Speaker 5: if you were running for something right now, you would

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Speaker 5: not want to be in their camp. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 5: is like a rare moment that has not been true

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Speaker 5: since sort of November of last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, it's all happening.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it really is like a very very very

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Speaker 5: rapid plip. But it's getting weirder and weirder. Molly, I

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Speaker 5: think it's like a I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, you mispronounced stupider and more depressing.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, we get that a shutdown conversation and

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Speaker 5: like just just right after we get coming up from

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Speaker 5: New Year's break. So I mean, if you.

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Speaker 1: Like that, thank you, Evan, of course.

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Speaker 5: Molly, thank you. Please help me on as it gets

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Speaker 5: weirder and weirder.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Evan McMorris Santro is a reporter at Notice. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Dave.

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Speaker 6: Blagle, It's good to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We find ourselves and yet an they're incredibly strange but

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Speaker 1: also very stupid moment in American history. You're an intrepid reporter,

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Speaker 1: and you have been intrepidly reporting. What are you seeing?

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Speaker 1: Here's the fundamentally worst question ever in American politics? What

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Speaker 1: are the vibes?

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Speaker 6: Is that the worst?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'll roll with that. So they shifted. I guess

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Speaker 6: that's the worst answer to that question. They did shift,

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Speaker 6: And I wrote it about this last week, and I

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Speaker 6: followed up a little bit this week after I went

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Speaker 6: to Omaha and talked to Democrats in a swingy region

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Speaker 6: there that before Tuesday there was a worry this is

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Speaker 6: very different than eight years ago, a worry that Trump

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Speaker 6: actually was more popular than Democrats, understood that Poles were

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Speaker 6: underrating him, and that he had made games with Latinos

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Speaker 6: and young people that Democrats were not doing good job

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Speaker 6: of reversing. And you saw this in coverage. I'd say

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Speaker 6: more coverage of New Jersey than Virginia. Reporters going into

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Speaker 6: the field, it's finding that, Okay, we went to a

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Speaker 6: Latino event, they don't seem that excited. Therefore, things that

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Speaker 6: have been moving in Trump's direction, and then the election

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Speaker 6: happens and they weren't. So you saw that big shift

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Speaker 6: in how Democrats conceive of the electorate and its concerns,

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Speaker 6: which is, if I could sum it up, what we

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Speaker 6: need to do as Democrats is to point out the

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Speaker 6: costs are still high and a bunch of other economic

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Speaker 6: problems are still bad. And Trump didn't fix this, and

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Speaker 6: so he hit us with She's for them and he's

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Speaker 6: for you. We're going to him with my Republican opponent

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Speaker 6: is for Trump, and I'm for you. I'm the one

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Speaker 6: who cares about you. This guy is just making money

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Speaker 6: for himself. He's cutting tax for his friends. Insert the

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Speaker 6: rest of democratic messaging. But what changed is that they

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Speaker 6: weren't sure it was working, and now that thin get.

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Speaker 1: Is Yeah, I'm going to tell a story that sounds tangential,

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Speaker 1: but I actually think is really relevant. I have a

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Speaker 1: friend who's a very smart strategist. He's very smart, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit centrist in a way

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Speaker 1: that I think is a little bit destructive. But I

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Speaker 1: heard him on a podcast saying voters are so angry

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Speaker 1: that Biden is going to lose and we're going to

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Speaker 1: have backlash to backlash to backlash. Basically like voters are

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Speaker 1: just going to they don't have patience, so they'll kick

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Speaker 1: one person out and then they'll kick that. They'll change

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Speaker 1: so quickly they'll be bodship to bib ship to bid ship.

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Speaker 1: Is that what's happening here?

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Speaker 6: That was the concern. And specifically, let's say that everyone,

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Speaker 6: if you average of everyone's media consumption of politics, the

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Speaker 6: country is less trusting of institutions than it was at

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Speaker 6: any point in modern history. Enterplayed mass media history and

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Speaker 6: that benefits Republicans. That was the worry for Democrats is

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Speaker 6: that occasionally we're going to be the party that's not

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Speaker 6: in power, and we can exploit that. When we're in power,

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Speaker 6: we don't know how to make people stop rejecting us.

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Speaker 6: And so this was a lot of the angst about Biden.

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Speaker 6: And I covered this over the course of the year.

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Speaker 6: Ye's not over, but I think most debates were mostly

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Speaker 6: happening before November. Hey, we Democrats, we reponsible Democrats tried

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Speaker 6: this with Joe Biden. We did a bunch of populous

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Speaker 6: stuff and it didn't benefit us. So gosh, maybe we're

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Speaker 6: stuck in a backlash loop. Like you were saying forever,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think that was changed by the election.

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Speaker 6: But Democrats in Virginia, New Jersey, in New York all

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Speaker 6: have opportunities to deliver something in the context to don

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Speaker 6: Trump being president trying to undermine them. And so what

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Speaker 6: was really powerful for Mamdannie and Cheryl more than well

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Speaker 6: the whole year for Demo president In Virginia, the fact

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Speaker 6: that Trump was was firing federal workers was toxic Republicans.

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Speaker 6: They never came up with an answer. They punted, they

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Speaker 6: got destroyed. In New Jersey and New York, it was

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Speaker 6: more direct. The President out of spite, is going to

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Speaker 6: be cutting things. New York and New Jersey was expecting

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Speaker 6: things they paid through the tax dollars paid for. So

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Speaker 6: New York was suing all year and I mean, you

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Speaker 6: know this suing all year for just funding that the

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Speaker 6: city had received that the administration wanted to take back.

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Speaker 6: In New Jersey, it was the Gateway tunnel. Trump in

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Speaker 6: a snit was just going to cancel this funding that

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Speaker 6: the state fought twenty years for. That threat is going

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Speaker 6: to continue existing. And so this is a new dynamic

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Speaker 6: for Democrats is the parties in power in a bunch

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Speaker 6: of places. It's going to try to do things and

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Speaker 6: Trump will be they're undermining it. And will voters say,

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Speaker 6: we wish you would change your policy and just agree

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Speaker 6: with Trump, or will they say, dang, I wish Trump

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Speaker 6: was not screwing this up. Is it giving them not

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Speaker 6: in the jail out, get out of jail free card,

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Speaker 6: but something to say if let's say, in four months, mom,

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Speaker 6: Donnie's entire agenda has not been in place. Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: think it does. And Republicans experienced us under Biden. It

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Speaker 6: was easier for their incumbents even to get elected with

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Speaker 6: a very few exceptions under Joe Biden because they could say, look,

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Speaker 6: I'm greag ab but I'm trying to fix the border,

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Speaker 6: and this administration screwing with me a less intense versus

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Speaker 6: of that, I think happening. Fewer people being trafficked in

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Speaker 6: buses across state lines, but I see that happening already.

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Speaker 6: And I want to repeat myself too much from the

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Speaker 6: first question, But there was a year Democrats not being

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Speaker 6: sure if that was true. But maybe maybe it turns

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Speaker 6: out that voters do think Trump is right. And you

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Speaker 6: saw this in New York right away because I from

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Speaker 6: the story I wrote yesterday or for Wednesday. I talked

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Speaker 6: to people who've been on the Spikey Cheryl campaign and

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Speaker 6: then we're going to work for Kathy Hogel, and they

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Speaker 6: this is at least to Fanic was not that threatening

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Speaker 6: to them on Tuesday last week, very much less so

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Speaker 6: on Wednesday, because it looks like she's just going to

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Speaker 6: defend the Trump agenda even if it hurts the state,

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Speaker 6: and that's a terrible place Republicans to be. They figured

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Speaker 6: that out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's right. Has there ever been a

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Speaker 1: politician with worse timing than a least to phonic.

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Speaker 6: Maybe Hillary Quittin and Kamala Harris because they both Hillary

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Speaker 6: and then Kamala in twenty nineteen ran at the one

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Speaker 6: time in history when being a Democrat who was tough

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Speaker 6: on crime was bad. Maybe that first Stephanic. She's one

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Speaker 6: of many House members who are going to run statewide

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Speaker 6: this next year. The leading candidates for governor of Iowa

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Speaker 6: for governor of Wisconsin the Republican primary have been in Congress,

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Speaker 6: voting for Republican priorities in Congress and against Democratic bills.

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Speaker 6: She has done the same thing, but in a much

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Speaker 6: more intense way, and her campaign. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: if she is an auxiliary of the New York Post

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Speaker 6: or the New Ropost and auxiliary for every day her

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Speaker 6: campaign is basically at least dephonics said something terrible at HOKL.

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Speaker 6: But when your post has a feature on it and

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Speaker 6: then the campaign puts out what the New York Posts said,

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Speaker 6: a bottles to phonic, that was always going to exist.

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Speaker 6: But is this a bad cycle to be a Republican

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Speaker 6: on record for their whole agenda? It looks like it

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Speaker 6: kind of is, because what was the benefit from the

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Speaker 6: tax bill so far Republicans If they all voted for

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Speaker 6: the tax bill this summer in bluespates, that means they

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Speaker 6: could say, hey, I cut your taxes with the salt deduction.

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Speaker 6: They did fine in Nassau County and that's it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: they got they got pretty creamed. And the rest of

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Speaker 6: New York, certainly in the high tax parts of New Jersey,

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Speaker 6: Morris County is the sort of place that it's full

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Speaker 6: of people who want, we're going to use that salt deduction.

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Speaker 6: And it had been a Republican and it flipped to

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Speaker 6: Mikey Sheryl again, I compare a lot of stuff in

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Speaker 6: twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, because I think Democrats are in

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Speaker 6: a different position, but Trump is also more eubuistic and

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Speaker 6: less limited by his advisors. In twenty eighteen, Republicans say, well,

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Speaker 6: at least we have an economic situation that people are

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Speaker 6: not blaming Trump for. It's pretty good where you can

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Speaker 6: run on that no matter what other things blow up

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Speaker 6: for Trump and immigration was really their biggest weakness in

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen. Now Republicans are a week if you look

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Speaker 6: at polling on who's handling the economy? Did are their

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Speaker 6: policies helping you? And they're just pretending that they're not.

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Speaker 6: They're pretending to hear Republicans. It's the Scott Bessett line.

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Speaker 6: It's all going to be great yet next year, don't

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Speaker 6: worry about it. Now, there's a little bit of punitory saying, well,

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Speaker 6: that's exactly what Joe Biden was doing four years ago.

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Speaker 6: It didn't work. Biden had an okay midterm considering.

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of the problem for Biden was the

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Speaker 1: way overperformed in the midterms, and that gave him confidence

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Speaker 1: to run again.

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Speaker 6: Yes it duh. So the economy though might one people

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Speaker 6: see they didn't see Biden at that point, and over

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Speaker 6: time they blamed him for inflation, even after inflation had

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Speaker 6: gone back down. But in polvan And said who's responsible

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Speaker 6: for the econmy Biden and wagging Trump already owns that,

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Speaker 6: and Trump wanted to own it. Trum Trump that talks

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Speaker 6: about the golden age of America beginning on his inauguration

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Speaker 6: day and talked about how great the economy was all year,

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Speaker 6: and in the same interview they'll say that things are

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Speaker 6: better and also if they're bad, it's Joe Biden's fault.

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Speaker 6: This is the JD. Dvance line we inherited and Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden but fully suggests the voters don't think that. And

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Speaker 6: you're seeing the most significant response to that since the

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Speaker 6: election has been the administration rolling back some tariffs. Are

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Speaker 6: saying it's going to and not saying sorry, we're wrong,

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Speaker 6: that the terroriffs actually cost you money and they're unpopular,

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Speaker 6: but saying to lower prices. We're going to get rid

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Speaker 6: of these tariffs. Who knows who put them in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Trump has been on the

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Speaker 1: record just musing about how great tariffs are all the time.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that turned out to be unpopular. So really,

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Speaker 6: like in New Jersey and Virginia, I was giving Democrats.

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Speaker 6: And the piece I've written since the election is that

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Speaker 6: I think I said just that the interest of journalists

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Speaker 6: and candidates are often at odds, and journalists wanted the

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Speaker 6: Democrats to have more exciting messages to write and new

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Speaker 6: responses to Republicans. And also you saw this, I'm not

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Speaker 6: really being negative at the Year Times, but you saw

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Speaker 6: a one year Time story by Shing Goldmacher a couple

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Speaker 6: weeks for the election about demograph are still running around

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Speaker 6: about Trump? Are they ever feeding the mistakes of the past?

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Speaker 1: Does it work?

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Speaker 6: Does it work? And yes? The reason it worked is

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Speaker 6: because Trump was taking credit for a great economy and

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Speaker 6: voters thought, actually, tariffs are costing me too much, and

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Speaker 6: everything else is costing me too much, So I don't

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Speaker 6: want to vote for the park. He's taking credit for

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Speaker 6: this economy and it's too late. You already see people

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Speaker 6: blaming them for just prices not being that simple. Now.

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Speaker 6: There are layoffs that people who have been laid off

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Speaker 6: or unhappy about, but the main one is just he

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Speaker 6: said prices would go down, he cleaned they were down already.

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Speaker 6: They weren't, so he's just going to keep saying it,

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Speaker 6: and he's the well part where he is. I think

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Speaker 6: analogus to Biden is the bidenminstration would say, Hey, good news, everybody.

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Speaker 6: This one good that has been famously too expensive is

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Speaker 6: now much less expensive and people didn't care anymore. Oh

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Speaker 6: we fixed the baby formula outage. Nobody cared. That is

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Speaker 6: one thing they have in common that even Trump can't benefit.

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Speaker 6: If people are angry about something, and you're angry about

756
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Speaker 6: goes away, nobody says thank you, President for fixing it.

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Speaker 6: He's better at advertising than Biden, but hasn't really done

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Speaker 6: anything for him.

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Speaker 1: I also think the problem for him is there is

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Speaker 1: a reason why politicians don't promise undoable things, and that's

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Speaker 1: because a lot of political gravity that didn't apply to

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Speaker 1: Trump is sort of catching up with him, right. Like

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Speaker 1: he used to be able to say stuff and no

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Speaker 1: one would ever be like, well what about But it

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Speaker 1: does seem like now there's you said tariffs were great.

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Speaker 1: Now everything's more expensive, you know what I mean? Like

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Speaker 1: there seems to be some amount of political gravity catching

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Speaker 1: up to him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm obsessed. I don't think I wrote about this

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Speaker 6: week except for social media. I'm obsessed with how the

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Speaker 6: deministration will keep floating that people are going to get

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Speaker 6: three months either a rebate check from Doze or from

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Speaker 6: teriffs or the terroriffs. From that positim than anything. And

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Speaker 6: before we got on, I was just checking my email

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Speaker 6: and indep I have a fundraising email. I'm on a

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Speaker 6: couple fundraising lists. Is to see what they get. What

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Speaker 6: people who donate to the CAAAN it's get not they donate.

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Speaker 6: I just signed up. It's psychotic. Don't do it unless

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Speaker 6: you're reporter. But yesterday I have If you are a

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Speaker 6: donor to Donald Trump, you got an email saying would

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Speaker 6: you accept a terror rebate check signed by Trump? And

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Speaker 6: I do think it's starting. I watch a lot of

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Speaker 6: local news, partly because that's where campaigns are advertising and

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Speaker 6: spending time, and local loser report. How there are a

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Speaker 6: lot of segments, and there have been all year, but

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Speaker 6: in the last week since this terror frebate discussion began,

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Speaker 6: segments that are just a version of the President says

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Speaker 6: he might send out a check. What would it look like.

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Speaker 6: We talked to an expert about whether you're going to

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Speaker 6: get your check after a while. I think it's reasonable

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Speaker 6: for people to say I am unhappy because I thought

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Speaker 6: i'd get a check and I did not. That's what

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Speaker 6: it's happening too.

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Speaker 1: That's a fundamental problem with Trump is is he has

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Speaker 1: only a couple of ideas, and he's like, well, send

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Speaker 1: people money that work during COVID, but there's not a

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Speaker 1: mechanism for that. We got to talk about the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: So it feels like the Democrats in the House did

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Speaker 1: actually stay together, you know. I mean Mike Johnson helped

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Speaker 1: them in a certain way by never bringing them back,

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Speaker 1: and it was the Senate that caved. Now, I from

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Speaker 1: someone who has covered the Senate deems the way that

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Speaker 1: this vote went down to have only people were up

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Speaker 1: for reelection in twenty thirty, people who were retiring, and

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Speaker 1: people who were not necessarily in danger voting to reopen

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Speaker 1: the government seemed a little bit too cute, I have

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Speaker 1: in my mind. Then, to have the Senate majority leader

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Speaker 1: vote now and give a long speech, it felt as

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Speaker 1: if the vibes were Chuck wanted to end the shutdown.

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Speaker 6: That is fair. I've not been my colleague Burgess ever

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Speaker 6: it and other people who covered a Senate more closely

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Speaker 6: and daily than I do have gotten the feedback on this.

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Speaker 6: So it's fair to say that Schumer and other Democrats

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Speaker 6: were pushed into this shutdown strategy that they did not

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Speaker 6: fully support, and they were surprised how well it works.

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Speaker 1: That is, and they turned it down in March, right,

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Speaker 1: and then they got so much pushback they had to

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Speaker 1: go along with it.

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Speaker 6: One they got pushed back. I think also importantly, and

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Speaker 6: you've talked about this, is that in March the idea

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Speaker 6: of a lot of holdouts he did not want to

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Speaker 6: do a shutdown was if do a shutdown, russ vote

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Speaker 6: is going to fire a bunch more people because he

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Speaker 6: wants to do that anyway. And they learned over the

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Speaker 6: course of the year that russ vote was just gonna

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Speaker 6: just fire people anyway. They actually did get well. One

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Speaker 6: of the only things they got as a benefit from

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Speaker 6: ending the shutdown is officially that there's not gonna be

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Speaker 6: any more reduction the force while the government shut down.

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Speaker 6: Now in the law, there shouldn't have been any reductions

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Speaker 6: of forces during the shutdown anyway, but that changed everything

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Speaker 6: where Democrats said, we actually have a president who's just

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Speaker 6: going to try to fire people try to cut funds,

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Speaker 6: do it before court stops them, and then if the

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Speaker 6: court stops them, it's too late. That changed everything, and

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Speaker 6: I think that's gonna that's gonna That mindset will be

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Speaker 6: there for the next impass in January. I'm already predicting

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Speaker 6: an impass over over healthcare funding. They also became convinced

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Speaker 6: that if you're a Democrat, wanted to be over and

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Speaker 6: I actually Timillary has expressed this, I think better than

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Speaker 6: a lot of Democrats had, is well, you've changed the

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Speaker 6: conversation to healthcare, right, which yeah, yeah, and you got

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Speaker 6: things queued up for the Epstein discharge petition, which is

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Speaker 6: an advantage. So you should just take this win and

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Speaker 6: go on because you're not going to get something out.

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Speaker 6: And that, to me is credible because there's no shutdown

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Speaker 6: the part in order to shut to the end the shutdown,

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Speaker 6: the President just gave the House or the holdouts whatever

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Speaker 6: they wanted. That's that's not crazy. But for the Schumer

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Speaker 6: role in it was that definitely that he was pushed

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Speaker 6: by both progressives and by reality and he was talking

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Speaker 6: to Robins trying to make a scandal out of this,

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Speaker 6: but he was taught, he was in contact with progressive

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Speaker 6: groups like Indivisible to Move On that were saying, please

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Speaker 6: shut the government down? Should he not be? I guess

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Speaker 6: the idea there is that Democrats should not listen to

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Speaker 6: their interest groups. But the end that's true, that that

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Speaker 6: is true, and those same interest groups are going to

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Speaker 6: want a new leader. But not to write Schumer's biography

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Speaker 6: for him. But the role of him as leader for

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Speaker 6: the next few weeks or a few years is going

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Speaker 6: to be losing a bunch of Donald Trump, maybe winning

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Speaker 6: the Senate and then maybe facing pressure. I actually already

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Speaker 6: facing pressure AT's retire next year. So it's like being

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Speaker 6: being the Senate leader is not a great is not

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Speaker 6: a great place to suddenly come in and dominate and

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Speaker 6: run your party's agenda. If did Bernie Sanders is in

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Speaker 6: the party leadership, like undermining you, that's part of a job.

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Speaker 1: Didn't he say that he was going to not run

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Speaker 1: for reelection.

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Speaker 6: He didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't He hasn't come out and said it.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 6: So what happened with Biden was that Biden's team in

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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen let word go out for some reporters that hey,

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Speaker 6: he was considering a one term pledge, and so people

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Speaker 6: who wanted to think Biden would run for one term

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Speaker 6: got some got something to hang on. And I'm not

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Speaker 6: trying to insall he'll for not memorizing ever news article,

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Speaker 6: but that became like didn't I read one somewhere that

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Speaker 6: he probably one term?

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Speaker 1: It really did help him when because he could make

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Speaker 1: a case that maybe it was that Trumpian thing of

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Speaker 1: being a roar shack, right, you'll be whatever is wanted.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that Schumer has not been that definitive. It

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Speaker 6: did just that people in New York politics looking at

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Speaker 6: his calendar, which includes Schumer used to be famous for

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Speaker 6: going to every county in the state every year. He

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Speaker 6: has not done that discycle. So he he turns seventy

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Speaker 6: five this month, he turned seventy six after the midterms.

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Speaker 6: Would he be announcing in twenty twenty seven that he

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Speaker 6: wants to run for reelection That would take him into

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Speaker 6: his mid eighties. That's the assumption. So does he want

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Speaker 6: to say I Chuck Schumer right now, want to give

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Speaker 6: up my leverages leader and say that I got bullied

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Speaker 6: out of this job by move on? Yeah? Probably not,

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Speaker 6: but the invisible I guess job application going on for

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Speaker 6: Senate leader. That's already been happening, and part of it

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Speaker 6: is people in New York saying we don't think Schuber's

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Speaker 6: going to run it again. There's so many different angles

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Speaker 6: on this, but I want to get too tangential about

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Speaker 6: who would replace Humor. That's already happening because a lot

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Speaker 6: of people think he's not going.

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Speaker 1: To run, who would replace Schuma.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of conversations about aoc NO in leadership.

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Speaker 6: In leadership, Brian Schottz Center for What Hawaii has done

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Speaker 6: most of the work to get himself ready for that

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Speaker 6: compared to other people Amy Clover Shard in the leadership

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Speaker 6: and would be in the position. No one else has

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Speaker 6: been making moves that way, especially because I do think

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Speaker 6: there are their discrepancies between what progresses want the job

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Speaker 6: to be what the job ends up being. And so

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Speaker 6: a lot of progresses say, why can't we have the

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Speaker 6: most progressive fighter we have in the Senate every day

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Speaker 6: leading the messaging and the counterpoint. B Well, that's not

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Speaker 6: Republicans have Republicans didn't say, look at the Senate, we

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Speaker 6: need somebody like Josh Hawley or Rick Scott to lead us.

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Speaker 6: Rick Scott rand he lost. You have to be kind

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Speaker 6: of a sin eater in the job. You have to

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Speaker 6: be there for awful deals, and you have to if

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Speaker 6: you let's say there's a big Senate if Democrats have

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Speaker 6: a great Senate election in the midterms and they win,

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Speaker 6: Sharon Brown wins the seat, and Mary Paul Tola and

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Speaker 6: Alaska wins and they get everything, they get almost everything

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Speaker 6: they want to. But there's a new demograph from Iowa.

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Speaker 6: Some of them are just not going to vote with

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Speaker 6: Progresses on everything, and so you'll need some of these.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not trying to That is why shots who

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Speaker 6: got elected as a progressive, he was appointed to the

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Speaker 6: seat and then got reelected with the supported Progresses over

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Speaker 6: a more conservative candidate. He's already been willing to buff

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Speaker 6: progressive on some issues, and that's why people think, all right,

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Speaker 6: well he's ready. He's getting himself ready to win if

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Speaker 6: he runs for leader. His colleagues, including conative more conservative Democrats,

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Speaker 6: to say, great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave Wigo, I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, thanks for having me. All these post election

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Speaker 6: periods are we actually have data? Really are great, so

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Speaker 6: happy to do it. They're no more pfectly.

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Speaker 3: Jesse cannon Somali Trump and his administration as a weapon

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Speaker 3: they're just so thrilled to use against anyone whoever wronged them.

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Speaker 3: And friend of the show, Congressman Eric Swolwell is the

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Speaker 3: latest victim of their weapon. He just announced today that

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Speaker 3: he's going to be running for governor of California and

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Speaker 3: they're going to go after him for mortgage fraud.

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Speaker 1: Bill Pulti works in the Trump administration, and what he

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Speaker 1: does is he finds people who have mortgages, and then

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Speaker 1: he finds enemies of Trump and he puts that Vinn

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Speaker 1: diagram together. And I think that Eric is the fource

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Speaker 1: Democrat that Bill Poulti has accused of mortgage fraud, with

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Speaker 1: varying degrees of success. But you know, here's the thing

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Speaker 1: about prosecuting people politically, it doesn't have to work and

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Speaker 1: necessarily like it's clearly bullshit, but it doesn't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: to work in order for them to get the Jews

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Speaker 1: from it. So that's what we're seeing here is just

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Speaker 1: a lot of them sort of grasping at straws and

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Speaker 1: trying to get this going. I don't think that they

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Speaker 1: can get any of these going because they've just done

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Speaker 1: so many, and they've all looked so intentional. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Trump world will get to do this.

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Speaker 1: And like, this is one of these things where it's like,

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Speaker 1: thank god they're stupid, because if they had been smart,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they had been like and they had

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Speaker 1: sort of like made up different cases, like some were

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Speaker 1: mortgage fraud and some were this and some were that.

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Speaker 1: Like in Putin's Russia, people get arrested for stuff like

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Speaker 1: iss right. So I do think that as much as

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Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of this that is scary, it's

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Speaker 1: also so stupid and thank god it's so stupid. That's

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