Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield and on today's show,
Speaker 1: part one of a two part Dolphins draft preview extravaganza
Speaker 1: with the great Kyle Krabs.
Speaker 2: We do it every single year.
Speaker 1: You're number five coming your way right now from the
Speaker 1: Baptist Hull Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This
Speaker 1: is the Draft Time Podcast. Probably could have set that
Speaker 1: up a little bit earlier by telling you we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about all things Dolphins off season, modes of
Speaker 1: roster building, cap management, future cash considerations, free agent evaluations
Speaker 1: before we get into the thirteenth pick of the draft.
Speaker 1: On this episode of the podcast. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: get to my friend Kyle Krabs. It is that time
Speaker 1: of year again, our fifth straight year of doing this,
Speaker 1: the Kyle Krabs Dolphins two part Draft Extravaganza his Draft week.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins are on the clock, the earliest they have
Speaker 1: been since we started doing this back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Kyle Krab's host of the Lockdown Dolphins podcast. He is
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft leader for the thirty third team, the
Speaker 1: author of Touchdown Miami. Locked on NFL Scouting, He has
Speaker 1: a billion jobs and has a billion hours of tape
Speaker 1: logged this draft season.
Speaker 2: Kyle, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man? You may be joking, but it's probably not too
Speaker 3: far off from a billion hours of tape log for
Speaker 3: this class.
Speaker 1: The man has no voice. He's been doing this so much.
Speaker 1: He has no voice left or force. But he's gonna
Speaker 1: give us two straight podcast yes one sitting with no voice.
Speaker 1: Plaine hurt today his Jordan Game six is flu game.
Speaker 1: And Kyle, you just sent me a document that I
Speaker 1: think pretty much explains your level of work and dedication
Speaker 1: that went into the draft cycle. Tell me what you
Speaker 1: just sent me through an email?
Speaker 3: So I gave you access to the twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: pretty much the doc. I have to keep all of
Speaker 3: my Dolphins specific stuff, and that includes two different variations
Speaker 3: of a draft board that currently has three hundred and
Speaker 3: two players on it. I'm gonna put the Dolphins projected
Speaker 3: starters at each position into that board as well, so
Speaker 3: you could kind of see how the prospects grade versus
Speaker 3: the Dolphins actual players. But it's adjusting my draft grades
Speaker 3: for the grades for what we know and understand the
Speaker 3: Dolphins schemes to rely upon for trades to give you
Speaker 3: a customized set of draft grades and a like traditional
Speaker 3: big board and then like the draft room big board
Speaker 3: where it's more presented horizontally.
Speaker 1: I love the horizontal big board because and I've I've
Speaker 1: almost found those crusade this offseason of like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: watch tape and these models are great. Teams pay a
Speaker 1: lot of money to get analytics and models and research
Speaker 1: and data behind the stuff, but you have to match
Speaker 1: it with tape always. But I did see this take
Speaker 1: on the horizontal board and how like, you know, all
Speaker 1: this different information you can get from the draft over
Speaker 1: year over year, I've seen models of build out, like
Speaker 1: teams that are most likely to take which players based
Speaker 1: upon their drafting history, and I'm like, that is an
Speaker 1: incredible learning tool you can have. But the horizontal board, man,
Speaker 1: it's so important because you can separate, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I think the offensive tackle is a great position for
Speaker 1: this every single year where it's like you look at
Speaker 1: the tackle options you might have in the first round,
Speaker 1: and then because of this potential dearth that comes, you know,
Speaker 1: from picks twenty five to fifty whatever it might be, like,
Speaker 1: you would then prioritize that position more because of the
Speaker 1: horizontal board stacking where otherwise you might have the vertical
Speaker 1: board that just tells you, you know, this guy's next,
Speaker 1: this guy's next, and doesn't give you the actual like
Speaker 1: percentage point grade breakdown. Does that make sense, Like that's
Speaker 1: kind of the idea behind the horizontal board.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And John Spytech, who's the GM of the Raiders, just
Speaker 3: had a recent media spot where he talked about this
Speaker 3: and talked about like the horizontal draft board and application
Speaker 3: with when the Browns were drafting, when spy Tech was
Speaker 3: there and they picked seven, and they ended up picking
Speaker 3: Joe Hayden, and they say, kind of coming in, they
Speaker 3: had a couple different scenarios for what that first pick
Speaker 3: was gonna be, but one of the things that they
Speaker 3: were prepared to have them do to nudge them towards
Speaker 3: drafting Joe Hayden was seeing what other options they were
Speaker 3: projecting were going to be available and how deep the
Speaker 3: talent pools were at the next tier down where their
Speaker 3: next pick was. Where they ended up drafting TJ. Ward,
Speaker 3: who was a really good player, made three Pro Bowls
Speaker 3: in the NFL as a starter for almost a decade,
Speaker 3: So I thought that was a really cool like recent
Speaker 3: media application of kind of this new fad way of
Speaker 3: presenting draft information that that's not really the cookie cutter
Speaker 3: one through three hundred style lists.
Speaker 1: And on the last show I did Kyle, I talked
Speaker 1: about having some draft fatigue and this this time of year,
Speaker 1: it really starts to be like, Okay, let's just get
Speaker 1: on the clock right now because I'm done doing all
Speaker 1: the stuff. But that's another reason why we had to
Speaker 1: try to have multiple guests on different types of approaches,
Speaker 1: because there's always some type of nook or crany to
Speaker 1: cover with this draft you haven't thought of in unknown places,
Speaker 1: and Kyle can help us find those a little bit.
Speaker 2: So that's a great start off to the show here.
Speaker 1: I want to kind of go back here a little
Speaker 1: bit and talk about how we got to where we
Speaker 1: are today for the Dolphins offseason and start with this, Kyle,
Speaker 1: because you came on the show and we haven't had
Speaker 1: you on since before the combine, and you talked about
Speaker 1: this ahead of free agency about one of your pillars
Speaker 1: or your goals of the off season was to get
Speaker 1: younger and to get a model of competition through a
Speaker 1: lot of draft picks. They have ten and signing guys
Speaker 1: that were maybe fresh off that rookie contract that perhaps
Speaker 1: didn't live up to their draft billing and position and
Speaker 1: now could be possibly hungry and motivated to go out
Speaker 1: there and perform at the highest level on every single
Speaker 1: time they step on that grass. And I'm curious to
Speaker 1: get your take on how you feel the Dolphins did
Speaker 1: in that department.
Speaker 3: I think you can definitely look at some of the themes
Speaker 3: between if emil afan Wu and kJ Britt and guys
Speaker 3: like that that are coming off of rookie deals who
Speaker 3: have shown some level of capability of filling a certain
Speaker 3: kind of role and now have an opportunity with the
Speaker 3: competition that is proceeded to be out there to perhaps
Speaker 3: claim a bigger role here with the Dolphins, and you
Speaker 3: know that youth element. I think one of the biggest
Speaker 3: things with the defense is as you kind of watch
Speaker 3: the back half of the season last year, even as
Speaker 3: the statistics really impressive, I got done watching the tape
Speaker 3: after the games not being able to help myself, but
Speaker 3: to feel, man, we could really use like some more
Speaker 3: dynamic athleticism. It's such a reactive space you have to
Speaker 3: live in because you don't know the play, you're reacting
Speaker 3: in real time, and more often than not, guys are
Speaker 3: reacting moving backwards. So there's a lot of challenge and
Speaker 3: a lot of special athletic ability that's that's required to
Speaker 3: execute that and execute it at a high level. And
Speaker 3: I think for the Dolphins to kind of get the
Speaker 3: athleticism that they've got on the second level, to get
Speaker 3: more explosive players on the back end, you know, we'll
Speaker 3: see what the evolving picture at cornerback looks like for them.
Speaker 3: It feels like diversity is going to be really helpful
Speaker 3: for them obviously. You know, Chris Grier spoke what early
Speaker 3: or early last week and and talked about the Swiss
Speaker 3: Army knife nature of cater Kohu, and you know, they
Speaker 3: they painted a lot of different pictures pre snap versus
Speaker 3: what they gave you post snaps. So I definitely think
Speaker 3: having younger players that maybe are a little bit better
Speaker 3: equipped to play with that dynamic athleticism throughout the rigors
Speaker 3: of a full season is something that you can look
Speaker 3: to to say, hey, maybe maybe this can help create
Speaker 3: some of those more game changing plays that it felt
Speaker 3: like like from a turnover differential standpoint and turnovers last
Speaker 3: year felt like they were close. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of off a fingertips or or just it quite didn't
Speaker 3: have the extra bounce in your step needed to undercut
Speaker 3: that throw. Those are kinds of things that I'm looking
Speaker 3: for as far as bringing in younger guys that have
Speaker 3: a little little bit less miles on their legs in some.
Speaker 1: Spots, and some of those hits from Chop Robinson that
Speaker 1: were just a fraction of a second late from jar
Speaker 1: and a ball loose and getting a strip sack that
Speaker 1: way too. I think a lot of those players they
Speaker 1: brought in for the thirty visits that were reported to
Speaker 1: be down here from Miami for the pre draft visits
Speaker 1: would check a lot of those boxes too. Between the
Speaker 1: safeties they brought in, right, Nicky Man, Worry JJ Roberts.
Speaker 1: Both those guys have some real juice to their game
Speaker 1: and are fun to watch. And you make a point
Speaker 1: about the cornerback group. I'm curious to see how they
Speaker 1: build this thing out to their vision because I get
Speaker 1: the sense that the defense has kind of been built
Speaker 1: out to like, hey, weave, what do you need man?
Speaker 1: Because you kind of proved it in year one that
Speaker 1: you're a stud like let's go get what you want
Speaker 1: in terms of the player types and archetypes. And remember
Speaker 1: him talking last year about the value of cater Cooho
Speaker 1: because of his ability to play both inside and out,
Speaker 1: that it freed up Ramsey and Fuller to do what
Speaker 1: made their careers really good was there to play inside out.
Speaker 1: And so I'm curious to see if they'll go after
Speaker 1: that or maybe they can reshape that room.
Speaker 2: There's options there.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that more on the draft portion
Speaker 1: of the show, probably more on the second episode tomorrow
Speaker 1: with you guys. Kyle joins me for two straight episodes
Speaker 1: here talking about all things Dolphins off season and the
Speaker 1: entire really draft process for them here coming up later
Speaker 1: this week, and I want to go back to a
Speaker 1: couple more things we talked about in the off season, Kyle,
Speaker 1: And you know, we see the we've seen the Niners
Speaker 1: really kind of pivot their off their their team building
Speaker 1: approach this offseason and really say goodbye to a lot
Speaker 1: of mainstays on that roster. We saw the Rams execute
Speaker 1: something similar a couple of years ago, and you know
Speaker 1: we didn't. Chris Career made it a points to say
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned the word soft rebuild or you know,
Speaker 1: or what was the term just a rebuild in general?
Speaker 1: I guess a restart maybe, but they have, you know,
Speaker 1: the Ramsey trade, if when that happens, would be a
Speaker 1: departure of that. Armstead's gone, Kalas Campbell's gone, some big
Speaker 1: time veteran names. I'm curious to hear because you talked
Speaker 1: about it before the draft, before the off season started,
Speaker 1: was like, this could be an opportunity to kind of
Speaker 1: change the face of the roster in a sense, they've
Speaker 1: kind of done that. I'm curious to get your take
Speaker 1: on that and how it can be fruitful even if
Speaker 1: the star power and name power is not the same
Speaker 1: as it was last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, if you sit down and
Speaker 3: you have the honest conversation about life cycles for teams
Speaker 3: across the league and how long they usually are, and
Speaker 3: there's exceptions like Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady
Speaker 3: in New England and they were you know, and Dolphins
Speaker 3: fans probably have a very different reality of team life
Speaker 3: cycles because they had to coexist with a team that
Speaker 3: won the division every year but won for but seventeen
Speaker 3: years in New England. So like that that's not. You
Speaker 3: see the graphics of like the NFC East, and it
Speaker 3: was a different team you want it up until Philly
Speaker 3: wanted a couple of times in a row, a different
Speaker 3: team won that division for like twelve straight years, or
Speaker 3: the South or the AFC North or the NFC West,
Speaker 3: where even when San Francisco has been successful, rams have
Speaker 3: pushed him. The Cardinals had a successful season in there,
Speaker 3: the Seahawks have been a successful team. So the life
Speaker 3: cycles of teams across the league. Realistically, you have an
Speaker 3: influx in young talent, and then those talents mature, and
Speaker 3: then you have to make strategic decisions on what contracts
Speaker 3: or second contracts, and at that point you can't pay everybody,
Speaker 3: and then some players leave and then you kind of
Speaker 3: have to take that new nucleus of the team, and
Speaker 3: that's your starting point. And I think that's where for
Speaker 3: the Dolphins, there was a coaching transition that happened dead
Speaker 3: center in the middle of when this whole process started,
Speaker 3: and I think that unfortunately, you know, when you look
Speaker 3: to judge the entire body of work since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: when they reset the roster as dramatically as they did,
Speaker 3: there were circumstances throughout there that maybe didn't allow you
Speaker 3: to fully maximize the cohesion within that six year window.
Speaker 3: And now the life cycle has come full circle and
Speaker 3: it's time for them to move on from some bigger
Speaker 3: contracts and there's a bigger focus with the NFL draft
Speaker 3: by having the most draft capital that they've had in
Speaker 3: three or four years, and this is now the starting
Speaker 3: point that they have. And I think everybody, regardless of
Speaker 3: what last season looked like or the shortcomings or expectations
Speaker 3: or any of that, the starting point for this year's
Speaker 3: build of a new life cycle, I think everybody would agree,
Speaker 3: looks a lot better as far as the young talent
Speaker 3: that you have, some that are on second contracts already,
Speaker 3: some players that are young players than what the nineteen
Speaker 3: roster look like when you started that build. So now
Speaker 3: it's a process. Okay, what's your starting point for this
Speaker 3: life cycle versus the last one? And I think that's
Speaker 3: where I view the Dolphins right now.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I love that take, because you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: hard for fans to separate even what happened in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, for instance, from what is going on
Speaker 1: right now, and you kind of accumulate all that not
Speaker 1: ill will, but that just your emotions attached to that,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of unload on a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five football team. And look, I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and say, like you know, on paper it's a super
Speaker 1: Bowl like oor bus type of team.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would say that.
Speaker 1: But I think where fans get upset and like we
Speaker 1: see this every year, is that on paper, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be as fun this offseason. Like you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: the sports media talk shows are gonna be what's going
Speaker 1: on with the Dolphins, what's the plan?
Speaker 2: All that stuff.
Speaker 1: But the exact same thing happened for the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: last year and they probably had their best crack at
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs come playoff time at getting over
Speaker 1: that hump.
Speaker 2: They didn't do it. And of course they.
Speaker 1: Have, you know, a generational quarterback and you know, stability
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But the point is that like
Speaker 1: there's this happens every year where it's the best organizations
Speaker 1: can find ways to pivot out of certain cycles, to
Speaker 1: your point and find their way back into winning modes,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they come out of that better. Will it
Speaker 1: happen for the Dolphins. We don't know, but we'll see
Speaker 1: what's going to come of it. And I know Kyle's
Speaker 1: in the same frame of mind as me in terms of, like,
Speaker 1: let's let this roster build out fully before we judge it.
Speaker 1: For week one, We'll go ahead and come back and
Speaker 1: talk about the buildout of the team, Kyle's free agent favorites.
Speaker 1: I want to spend some time talking to you about
Speaker 1: the books, because you're so good in the numbers aspect
Speaker 1: of all that. That's all next before our third segment
Speaker 1: talking about pick thirteen of this year's draft. All of
Speaker 1: that coming up with Kyle Crabs and the Draft Time
Speaker 1: Podcast brought to you by Auto Nation. Segment two here
Speaker 1: with our part one episode with the Great Kyle Krabs
Speaker 1: locked on Dolphins podcast, talking about the Dolphins this offseason
Speaker 1: heading into this week's draft. Ten picks to come. One
Speaker 1: on Thursday, We'll have two on Friday, and then seven
Speaker 1: on Saturday. A busy day on Saturday. Man, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens if those picks actually stay where they are.
Speaker 1: But Kyle, I want to get two more questions for
Speaker 1: you in this segment before we get to the draft itself,
Speaker 1: and just kind of talk to you about the buildout
Speaker 1: of the team.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've seen a lot of.
Speaker 1: Discussion out there, more this year seemingly than ever before,
Speaker 1: about like cash over cap and cap commitments, and like
Speaker 1: it seems like everyone's starting to kind of plant their
Speaker 1: flag on these discussions. But then I come back to Kyle, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: tell me what really is going on here? And Kyle
Speaker 1: is like abc D all the way through Z and
Speaker 1: explains it thoroughly. So when you look at the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: I guess they're books for now the shift of where
Speaker 1: the money comes and goes, and like what it means
Speaker 1: for the future. Can you just take us through the
Speaker 1: management of money and cap and all the stuff that
Speaker 1: you've seen the Dolphins execute in the past, what this
Speaker 1: year has done, and what it means going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah. According to spot track dot Com right now, the
Speaker 3: Dolphins currently sit seventh in the NFL in total cash.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you a lot of my team building
Speaker 3: and economics of the draft insights have come from Raven CM.
Speaker 3: Eric de Coosta did a lecture that long ago with
Speaker 3: former college football player Adam Brenneman, and he talked about
Speaker 3: the economics of like team management and staying competitive annually
Speaker 3: and the Ravens annually. They aspire to spend cash overcap, more,
Speaker 3: spend more cash than what the salary cap is on
Speaker 3: an annual basis. But their insight is on any given year,
Speaker 3: they aspire to be between the sixth and the tenth
Speaker 3: or the eighth or the twelfth, somewhere like in the
Speaker 3: bottom half of that upper third of the league in
Speaker 3: cash spend, and they say that feels like that allows
Speaker 3: us to annually maintain a competitive nature to our roster.
Speaker 3: And the Dolphins obviously with moving on from Toront Armstead
Speaker 3: and now potentially looking at moving on from Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3: If they move Jalen Ramsey, you could take another twenty
Speaker 3: one million dollars off of their current cash spend, which
Speaker 3: would drop them from seventh in the NFL to I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do bath in real time. Here's gonna be a
Speaker 3: disaster down to twenty second in the NFL, just by
Speaker 3: moving on from the Ramsey contract, if they get somebody
Speaker 3: to take the full contract, if they find a partner
Speaker 3: in which they want to trade jam Ramsey.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: That process for them. The last couple of years they've
Speaker 3: been more towards the top with caspen and that's going
Speaker 3: to happen when you give out contract extensions like a
Speaker 3: quarterback contract. Last year, they were fifth in the NFL
Speaker 3: in cash spend. In twenty twenty three, the Dolphins ranked
Speaker 3: eighth in the NFL. So they haven't like peaked in
Speaker 3: maxed out. But I think that's where you go back
Speaker 3: to the cash spend window and then this transition that
Speaker 3: we're seeing the team take where you contrast that with
Speaker 3: teams like New Orleans and a team like Cleveland. I mean,
Speaker 3: Cleveland's been top three in cast spent in each of
Speaker 3: like the last four seasons, and you look at twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, they're still third in the NFL and cash
Speaker 3: ben right now, and they're only eleven million dollars off
Speaker 3: from being number one in cash bed now. Philadelphia has
Speaker 3: been another team that's been very aggressive like that, and
Speaker 3: the way that they've done that is by putting dummy
Speaker 3: years on the back end of contracts. But Philly won
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl and then they said, hey, let's make
Speaker 3: some hard personnel decisions and get rid of some guys
Speaker 3: and you know, not allow this to snowball, in which
Speaker 3: the world where you become a team like New Orleans,
Speaker 3: whos to restructure every contract you have on the books
Speaker 3: just to get compliant. Then you let anybody that's that's
Speaker 3: looking at a second contract walk, and you know, you're
Speaker 3: pretty much just waiting for players to decide that they're
Speaker 3: done playing, to be able to transition from a lot
Speaker 3: of players, so you can spend cash overcap, but if
Speaker 3: you have the peaks where you spend higher, you even
Speaker 3: need to drop it back down to kind of bring
Speaker 3: your your future debt back in line, or you need
Speaker 3: to say we're just going to do this in perpetuity
Speaker 3: for forever until we're out of jobs, and then it's
Speaker 3: somebody else's problem. This is why Miami's Miami's smart to
Speaker 3: be doing it now and not just push it another
Speaker 3: year and then push it another year, and you know,
Speaker 3: I think that's setting the team up for long term failure.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I mean we saw mentioned the Saints
Speaker 1: that the Derek Carr situation right now seems like almost untenable.
Speaker 1: We'll see what comes of that and what happens on
Speaker 1: draft night. Maybe they gets another quarterback in the top
Speaker 1: ten that pushes another talent to the Dolphins at pick thirteen.
Speaker 1: But I would just urge you, if you guys come
Speaker 1: across cap stuff in the NFL it's confusing, just listen
Speaker 1: to Kyle's show, please, because he does such a great
Speaker 1: job of taking you through that and breaking it all
Speaker 1: down and doing live math on the air too, which
Speaker 1: you're better than I am, my friend, So I appreciate
Speaker 1: you cranking those numbers out for us before our last
Speaker 1: break and we dive into the draft here, Kyle, let's
Speaker 1: talk about free agency. It was a frugal approach to
Speaker 1: free agency. There was a couple of big additions there,
Speaker 1: including one across the offensive line. Talk to us about
Speaker 1: James and how he fits in the in the offense,
Speaker 1: because that was the kind of the marquee signing. And
Speaker 1: then if you can just talk about some of the
Speaker 1: guys that you'd like that you think have good roles
Speaker 1: in this this defense or offense from free agency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think James Daniels has a chance to potentially
Speaker 3: be a nice transition in leadership from toront armstead to
Speaker 3: another veteran player. And you got a chance to do
Speaker 3: a sit down and interview with him for Drive Time
Speaker 3: that was just outstanding and gave great insight into James,
Speaker 3: and he's a player that's been a quality starter for
Speaker 3: the last couple of seasons and has positional versatility experience.
Speaker 3: I have very little doubt that that Daniels, as he
Speaker 3: you know, gets back on the field from the injury
Speaker 3: last season, is going to be a difference maker. And
Speaker 3: I think the leap in the quality of player that
Speaker 3: you're gonna see there is he's probably I would probably
Speaker 3: put him in the same bucket as far as a
Speaker 3: caliber of players is what the Dolphins had in Robert Hunt.
Speaker 3: And Robert Hunt is fully healthy, so to to kind
Speaker 3: of put that in contrast for another name to invoke
Speaker 3: that Dolphins fans will recognize with how good Rob was
Speaker 3: when he was here before he left in free agency.
Speaker 3: That's kind of my expectation for James Daniels, and that
Speaker 3: is obviously a huge step in the right direction amidst
Speaker 3: the transition away from Toronto. And I'll be fascinated to
Speaker 3: see Chris Greer said last week, you know Pat Paul's
Speaker 3: are left tackle and he's going to get the first
Speaker 3: crack at it. And do they put James Daniels next
Speaker 3: to Patrick Paul and have a really reliable player there.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of the next intrigue piece that
Speaker 3: I have as far as Patrick Paul, another name that
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about is Nick Westbrook Akine. I think
Speaker 3: he has a chance to be just an awesome ad
Speaker 3: for the physicality that he brings. He's not going to
Speaker 3: command a lot of targets. Dolphins have a lot of
Speaker 3: capable pass catchers as it is, so to have a
Speaker 3: guy who can make plays down the field, I think
Speaker 3: he has a chance to ingratiate himself with this fan
Speaker 3: base in the same way that Matt Collins did when
Speaker 3: Mack was here and everywhere that Mac has gone since,
Speaker 3: that fan base has been bummed when Matt Collinson. So
Speaker 3: I get this sense like Nick plays the same brand
Speaker 3: of football, with the same like down the field strength
Speaker 3: to his game, plus the physicality element and a lot
Speaker 3: of diversity is a blocker. So I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1: At I'm excited about the offense in general. With those
Speaker 1: editions you talk about there, I think, you know, right now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like what's the defense gonna look like
Speaker 1: come opening Day? You kind of you kind of have
Speaker 1: a feeling what the offense could look like. Sands a
Speaker 1: position or two here or there. Just real quick, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I know that this the nice part about James Daniels
Speaker 1: is he can do both because he has done both.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's better at left guard or right guard?
Speaker 3: I think he's a chance to make the biggest impact
Speaker 3: at left guard, Okay, next to Patrick Paul. And that,
Speaker 3: to me is what that one is all about. Is
Speaker 3: not just maximizing yourself in an individual position, but maximizing
Speaker 3: the impact on the stability that you can give a
Speaker 3: young guy next to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the concept of you know, having your five your
Speaker 1: best unit compared to your best five individuals, and that
Speaker 1: could certainly help them get out.
Speaker 2: But I can see off the right side too.
Speaker 1: But I see both sides in the argument for both
Speaker 1: of those and what a benefit to have the flexibility
Speaker 1: to be able to do both. And we'll see who
Speaker 1: the other guard is come draft night, come free agency
Speaker 1: coom a guy that wins the job in camp, we'll
Speaker 1: find out. Let's go ahead and take our last break
Speaker 1: right there with the great Kyle Krabs here on the
Speaker 1: Draft Time podcast. Next we're getting into the draft. Pick
Speaker 1: number thirteen coming up, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 1: We've gone through the offseason, talked about general NFL salary,
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Speaker 1: Kyle Krabs locked on Dolphins Podcast thirty thirteen, NFL Draft Lead,
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Speaker 1: for Kyle Pick thirteen Man. Last time we were up
Speaker 1: here was Christian Wilkins. The time before that was LARRYE. Tunzel.
Speaker 1: It's been a good spot for us, a good number
Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins. Of course, the greatest quarterback of
Speaker 1: all time war that number is well. I mean I
Speaker 1: made a comment on my Friday podcast about how I've
Speaker 1: kind of like talked about the same names over and
Speaker 1: over again and the potential for thirteen, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's different than what I see from other shows
Speaker 1: and content creators that kind of will give you a
Speaker 1: take and get out into the weeds in March and
Speaker 1: maybe bril it back in by April. But I've kind
Speaker 1: of been on the same four or five six names
Speaker 1: for the whole time. Do you find yourself doing the
Speaker 1: exact same thing or have you kind of veered from
Speaker 1: the original thought, Like what has your process been like
Speaker 1: for potential first round picks with Miami Dolphins, has a
Speaker 1: change a lot?
Speaker 2: Has it been steady? What do you think, man?
Speaker 3: So once I've once I've tailored my my grades to
Speaker 3: be custom for the Dolphins and their scheme based off
Speaker 3: of what we know and understand about it. It kind
Speaker 3: of it did give me a list of what I
Speaker 3: feel is the thirteen names that I would be dialed
Speaker 3: in on, Hey, potentially getting one of these guys. But
Speaker 3: the margins as far as a guy who's maybe in
Speaker 3: the next tier down is still fairly slim. You could
Speaker 3: probably give me like twenty names and I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 3: Like I get it. And some of that's because of
Speaker 3: some of the vacancies that exist on the roster. I
Speaker 3: have my personal favorites, Like I think today Baron is
Speaker 3: an outstanding You talk about cater Coho and the versatility
Speaker 3: that he brings to the table, and Baron, the question
Speaker 3: is does he get to thirteen and just kind of
Speaker 3: the Will Johnson pre draft process yield you know Jday,
Speaker 3: Baron going before him, and how early does cornerback become
Speaker 3: a thing? How many of these tight ends. You keep
Speaker 3: hearing some buzz that team's really really multiple teams really
Speaker 3: really like not just one but two tight ends. No,
Speaker 3: do you get a couple of tight ends? Do you
Speaker 3: get two three quarterbacks that go? And if all that
Speaker 3: happens in the top twelve, maybe Jday Baron's there for you,
Speaker 3: or maybe it's Will Johnson. But you could tell me
Speaker 3: you go corner. You could tell me there's an option
Speaker 3: at defensive tackle. You could tell me there's an option
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. You can tell me there's an
Speaker 3: option to see It's like, yeah, I'm not really gonna
Speaker 3: argue with a lot of a lot of the potential
Speaker 3: that you have here.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the work is I mean, you
Speaker 1: do the work to find out the player is before time,
Speaker 1: but it's like the work really starts once you draft
Speaker 1: the player and start figuring out exactly what how he
Speaker 1: fits in the system. Because to your point, there are
Speaker 1: so many guys, Like I don't know how you could
Speaker 1: possibly like conjure up which one's the best option, But
Speaker 1: I guess I'll ask it to you this way. Let's
Speaker 1: go through those three positions you just talked about, the corner,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle, and the safeties. I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: into a line because's there's just too much to parse
Speaker 1: out there. But like Baron and Johnson's what's the difference there,
Speaker 1: Like what would each selection signal in terms of how
Speaker 1: this defense wants to go?
Speaker 2: Would it be different?
Speaker 3: I think today Baron would give you a lot of
Speaker 3: ambiguity when you think about Melafon when his versatility at safety,
Speaker 3: and then you add in cater Coo who with his
Speaker 3: inside outside and then there's times where he's in the
Speaker 3: nickel and then he inverts and he's playing deep half
Speaker 3: as a safety, and then Jenay Barron can do all
Speaker 3: that same stuff. And I think you have two guys
Speaker 3: that are really feisty and physical, even though they're not
Speaker 3: the biggest guys. If it's barn that I feel good
Speaker 3: about their insight to play the run. Where you know
Speaker 3: cater is in nick goal, that's a high stress run
Speaker 3: defender position as well. And Baron's one of the best
Speaker 3: run defending players in the class of any secondary player.
Speaker 3: So that to me is on either side of the
Speaker 3: field field en boundary, you have a player on potentially
Speaker 3: the outside or potentially in the inside depending on the formation,
Speaker 3: that you can just be really interchangeable with not just
Speaker 3: the safety rotation, but the entire shell inversion in rotation.
Speaker 3: That's the exciting piece for Baron.
Speaker 1: For me, So it could almost be like you're not
Speaker 1: talking about cornerback one two three, safety one two three,
Speaker 1: it's like dB one through five almost in that sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and today Baron said its PROTA. Teams have talked
Speaker 3: to me about playing outside, teams are talking to me
Speaker 3: about playing inside, and teams are talking to me about
Speaker 3: playing safety. And interesting, you know, to know that to
Speaker 3: have the proof of concept with that, with last year
Speaker 3: how they used cater at times, you have two of
Speaker 3: that now. It just exponentially and it compounds where I
Speaker 3: think it just gives you so much flexibility with how
Speaker 3: to run your zone defenses off of man presentations.
Speaker 1: I'm smiling because, like I've gone back and forth in
Speaker 1: these two guys so much. It's either one I'm happy
Speaker 1: with because they're both really good football players, but I
Speaker 1: keep going back and forth these guys.
Speaker 2: You might just plut me again back to the Texas guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what we'll see.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough decision for me in terms
Speaker 1: of what they should do when they get to that
Speaker 1: spot on the board, and you know to that point, like,
Speaker 1: I like that cornerback spot because it would satisfy one
Speaker 1: of the biggest needs in the roster. It could be
Speaker 1: the best player on the board when you draft, when
Speaker 1: you're on the board at thirteen, but it also could
Speaker 1: be it's also the most premium position of the perceived needs. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think it satisfies three inches. They're a scratches
Speaker 1: three inches. Got about ten minutes left here, Kyle, So
Speaker 1: just keep that in mind. A couple more questions for
Speaker 1: you here with that, because I talked about the cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: what about defensive tech? We I think Mason Graham probably gone.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that by the time we pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tea leaves right now are saying Graham and
Speaker 3: Jacksonville is pretty It's gonna be a pretty popular mock
Speaker 3: draft projection. So I do not expect Graham. We'll sniff
Speaker 3: the Dolphins at thirteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll leave him off. He was wearing the
Speaker 2: Jag shirt on that video that he deleted the day.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a tail.
Speaker 1: There, but no, we got so Kenneth Grant is a
Speaker 1: guy that's an option there. Walter Nolan and then Derek Harmon.
Speaker 1: I think are the three defensive tackles that are being
Speaker 1: talked about in this range. Maybe there's one that you
Speaker 1: don't agree with, But in terms of what those guys
Speaker 1: possibly could mean should the Dolphins go in those directions,
Speaker 1: the Michigan D tackle, the Ole Miss and Organ D tackles,
Speaker 1: what would those different picks signify in terms of what
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are looking for?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing that's really interesting about this
Speaker 3: trio is it's three very different stylistic players. Yeah, where
Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant, he's not a nose but he is more
Speaker 3: of a occupier. He is more of a gap control
Speaker 3: kind of player, even if he's not living in a
Speaker 3: nose tackle type role all the time at Michigan. Dereck
Speaker 3: Harmon is more of a penetration style player, but a
Speaker 3: big bodied, long penetration style player who's I think capable
Speaker 3: of playing a three. I think he's capable of playing
Speaker 3: four eyes as an odd front end on an inside
Speaker 3: shade on an offensive tackle, or playing head up on
Speaker 3: an offensive tackle and living outside a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Whereas Walter Nolan is a little bit more of the
Speaker 3: true undersized penetration three technique shoot a bunch of gaps,
Speaker 3: create a bunch of interior chaos. So I think the
Speaker 3: select if all three of them were on the board
Speaker 3: and they chose to actively pick one, I think it
Speaker 3: would tell you quite a bit about what their visions
Speaker 3: are for what the front is going to look like
Speaker 3: this year, just because those are three very differently defined
Speaker 3: arc types of players.
Speaker 1: And so it kind of sounds like the first pick
Speaker 1: of the draft could almost inform you for the rest
Speaker 1: of the draft in terms of how they want to
Speaker 1: build this thing out. I think the safety the two
Speaker 1: safeties you talk about here are another example of that,
Speaker 1: because Malachai starks and Nicki man Worry are entirely different players, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, Where's I think there's a good amount of versatility
Speaker 3: with both players, but in different ways. I think starks
Speaker 3: Is is probably a much cleaner projection to playing on
Speaker 3: the roof as a high post player. But you want
Speaker 3: to be able to get him into the slot. You
Speaker 3: want to be able to get him onto the second
Speaker 3: level at times, so having a complimentary safety there is important.
Speaker 3: I think the versatility that the Dolphins have brought in
Speaker 3: would be helpful in allowing that to all tie together,
Speaker 3: whereas Emon worry you think about some of the speed
Speaker 3: and physicality that they brought in a linebacker with bringing
Speaker 3: back dots In and brit and Gay and now Emon worriy.
Speaker 3: I think he kind of slots into that area of
Speaker 3: the field a little bit more as compared to consistently
Speaker 3: being up or living in the high post as a
Speaker 3: free safety, where you're really taking away all the freakish
Speaker 3: athleticism in the ways that he can impact your run
Speaker 3: fit spacing and collisioning and playing physical in zone coverage
Speaker 3: or in man coverage, and your pressure packages or your
Speaker 3: simulated pressures where maybe you're running that nickel pressure that
Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey got a bunch of tip balls on last
Speaker 3: year coming off the edge, and maybe that's even Worri
Speaker 3: And you know that for me is where he fits
Speaker 3: the best. So I think, do you want to continue
Speaker 3: to lean into the pressure oriented style and have a
Speaker 3: weapon because that's Emn Worri's game. Do you want a
Speaker 3: guy who can kind of be the glue piece with
Speaker 3: your nickel and your two safeties to kind of tie
Speaker 3: the interior of your shell together. That's Malachi Stars.
Speaker 1: The seven names we just talked about as potential picks
Speaker 1: at number thirteen, all on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: That could give coach Weaver a nice chest piece there
Speaker 1: to move around the defense and kind of be a
Speaker 1: staple in his unit here going forward for hopefully a
Speaker 1: couple of years and beyond that too. So there's no
Speaker 1: offensive player if you talked about there, Kyle, I do
Speaker 1: want to do a mock draft at the end of
Speaker 1: the next episode tomorrow with you, but just taking a
Speaker 1: look at all the guys we has talked about, you
Speaker 1: can also give me somebody else of those seven players,
Speaker 1: who's the one you would want to pick the most
Speaker 1: if they're all on the board. And would there be
Speaker 1: an additional off the radar guy we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: that would be part of that group, And would that
Speaker 1: off the radar guy jump the top player in this
Speaker 1: group before you?
Speaker 2: So does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense. And the answers, no, I don't
Speaker 3: have a name. I don't have a name off of that.
Speaker 3: And the reason why is this. I took all the
Speaker 3: three hundred players that I have and I converted them
Speaker 3: to Dolphins specific raids and the top of the board
Speaker 3: is Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter Jaday Bear. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think he is a tailor made fit for so much.
Speaker 3: And you could have the debates about positional value if
Speaker 3: you don't think he's an outside guy. There's enough versatility
Speaker 3: in the secondary where it does not phase me one bit.
Speaker 3: He tackles, he's got the big play geen. He's physical,
Speaker 3: he's explosive, he ran in the fourth threes. The only
Speaker 3: thing you're not liking is he's not six foot one
Speaker 3: with thirty three inch arms to be like that prototype
Speaker 3: freak guy that lives outside. But super high character guy,
Speaker 3: very impressive when you listen to him talk super high
Speaker 3: football IQ. I think each every single box I am
Speaker 3: looking for in a player that's a culture guy, a
Speaker 3: glue guy, a difference maker, a versutile chess piece all
Speaker 3: in one player.
Speaker 1: Can I be committed to the process without being emotionally
Speaker 1: attached to the result. One of my favorite quotes the
Speaker 1: players ever said at the combine or anywhere, but he
Speaker 1: said it at the Combine this year?
Speaker 2: Did jday Baron? That sounds like that's your pick, Kyle Krabs.
Speaker 1: So there's your first pick of the Kyle Krabs locked
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Speaker 1: about picks forty eight, ninety eight, uh one, sixteen, one,
Speaker 1: thirty five, one fifty one, fifty five, going through everything
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Speaker 1: third team. Kyle, appreciate it, man. We'll see you here
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