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Speaker 2: and it's madness. There weren't a ton of upsets in

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Speaker 2: the tournament. I guess Iowa over Florida is the big one.

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Speaker 2: So I got you know, I Michigan and Arizona are

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Speaker 2: the two best teams I've seen. And I thought, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna call Doug Gottlieb coaching now the Green Bay Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Second year they finished third in the Horizon League. His

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Speaker 2: first years, his top scores all got hurt. Second year,

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Speaker 2: to the very end. And I've been keeping in contact

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Speaker 2: with Doug in his basketball journey, and I thought, let's

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Speaker 2: get him on here and talk about a lot of

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Speaker 2: different stuff. I told Doug today, I said, Hey, this

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Speaker 2: Yukon Duke game, it's getting lobsided. If you want to

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Speaker 2: if you want to record this early, it's like, hold on.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's Dan Early. Let's hold on. And he

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Speaker 2: was right. So it's good seeing you. We've talked several times,

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Speaker 2: you know, Doug. It's funny about Yukon. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: both lived there for a long time. It's really they're

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Speaker 2: like a pitcher who gets better in the later innings.

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Speaker 2: They're so good in the second half, they just wear

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Speaker 2: you down. They're so physical. The Boozer kids had a

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Speaker 2: couple of bad turnovers. It's just like they're kind of

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Speaker 2: built for March. The refs let you play a little

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Speaker 2: bit like the NBA playoffs, the games get physical. Were

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Speaker 2: you shocked they came back to beat Duke?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, from this perspective, you know again, like you

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Speaker 3: watch it, I've always watched it a little bit differently

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Speaker 3: watch it completely differently, And I was so impressed by

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Speaker 3: Duke's prepperedness for all of what Yukon does you know,

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Speaker 3: Yukon's post double. They just sliced it and diced it

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Speaker 3: then Yukon they don't really they don't really have They

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Speaker 3: You have to You have to have had kind of

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Speaker 3: the fundamental core. This is what we do when this

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Speaker 3: it's a ball screen whatever. Again, like I watch, I'm

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Speaker 3: watching this game, going, man, how does Duke know everything

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Speaker 3: that Yukon's doing and they're using it against them? Empty

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Speaker 3: side ball screens, easy dunk layup. And then something just changed,

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Speaker 3: Mullins hit the big three obviously to win it, but

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Speaker 3: And you know his whole sideline demeanor which everybody talks about,

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Speaker 4: It's not directed at players. Yeah. Now, look, I can't

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Speaker 4: I didn't say anything like it's crazy, but he he

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Speaker 3: But but what it does is he fights for his

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Speaker 3: The players play above their level.

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Speaker 4: Of toughness, if that makes any sense.

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Speaker 3: Like he's got tough he's got tough kids, but they

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Speaker 4: I think that's all part of why it works. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean for a while it was terrorist Reid against Doper.

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Speaker 2: It was funny because I kept thinking, oh man, they

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Speaker 4: They don't have to be That's that's what this team

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Speaker 3: They don't have a throw it to the dude, He's

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Speaker 4: What that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they were thirtieth in the country. I

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Speaker 2: mean I watched them get blown out by Marquette. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they just have nights when they can't hit shots. But

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Speaker 2: there is a toughness to Yukon. I mean, I've just

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Speaker 2: always liked the program. And what's interesting you go from Calhoun, who,

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Speaker 2: and then they find Hurley. Hurley's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: an extension of Calhoun where he's just really tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they kind of found their secret sauce. It's not the

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Speaker 2: sexiest program, but they always have length, they always have toughness,

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Speaker 2: looks like the Marquee game. But you know, be careful

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Speaker 2: because Yukon and Illinois are great in your world. It's

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Speaker 2: fascinating about this. So Illinois has a player that was

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and sixty first ranked player in high school.

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Speaker 2: to project a lot I mean even in an NBA draft. Now,

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Speaker 4: Well, here's what I'm gonna do. Let me tell you

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a storytell with Collins that I call

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Speaker 3: him do in storytime. So his au coach is a

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Speaker 3: guy named Victor Williams. Victor Williams was the point guard

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Speaker 3: It's independent in Kansasity, Missouri. And when I tell you,

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Speaker 3: he called everybody everybody and said, hey, I have a problem.

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Speaker 3: So remember what's happened since covid is guys are getting

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Speaker 3: extra years. You know Yaksol Landenberg, you know he he's

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Speaker 3: Like I mean, it's so so the trend in college

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Speaker 3: basketball has been get old staled. That's everybody says, get

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Speaker 3: my staff, I said, look, we're a nightclub. Okay, twenty

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Speaker 3: But then you saw this year the freshman class has

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Speaker 3: And I think he was most overlooked because he wasn't

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Speaker 4: He was how about this one? He was loyal to

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Speaker 3: There's one of the best AU programs in the country

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Speaker 3: is called mocn MO can Elite.

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Speaker 4: They're out of Kansas City. Now.

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Speaker 3: They have kids from Oklahoma, they have kids from all

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Speaker 3: Why because he was actually loyal to Vick Williams, who

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Speaker 3: de la Creme. And then you know, their assistants were

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Speaker 3: I'd love to have an eighteen nineteen year old, but

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Speaker 4: He was this good.

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Speaker 3: Ever, so they they, yeah, you can do it. And

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Speaker 3: I Illinois has a lot of money. They don't have

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Speaker 3: them hardly anything, nothing, zero, you know. And when I

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Speaker 3: make two fifty to three hundred thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 3: That's that's the that's the scale right now. Okay, so

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Speaker 4: But uh, it's it's difficult. You have to be thorough.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna miss some guys, but you have to use

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Speaker 3: all the resources at your disposal and then go eyeball

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Speaker 3: and see guys. Because what happens with the portal is, yes,

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Speaker 3: guys have been you have a GM and or you know,

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Speaker 4: But it's like speed dating. So if you don't know

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Speaker 3: If you don't know what you're getting, you're you're taking

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Speaker 3: somebody else's word for it. So you have to recruit

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Speaker 2: I do think aj Devon said, by you probably today

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Speaker 2: He wasn't as athletic, he wasn't a durable The two

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Speaker 4: He was so good. So you know what do I?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like he gets to his spots and

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Speaker 4: He's great.

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Speaker 4: How do I know?

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Speaker 3: He went to Utah Prep, which is funded by Ryan Smith.

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Speaker 3: it's hard because the Arkansas point guard, he's.

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Speaker 4: Truck tremendous, tremendous dud.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: There is seemingly some sentiment of like the PGA Tour

460
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Speaker 5: should like cut ties with Tiger Woods. I will be

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Speaker 5: Florida if that happens, right. I have plenty of Tiger

462
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Speaker 5: thoughts that we can get to, but like he is

463
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 5: so valuable to them on so many levels. Forget captaining

464
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Speaker 5: the Ryder Cup or if he plays on the Senior Tour,

465
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466
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467
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Speaker 5: golf on a simulator, but they over a million people

468
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Speaker 5: watch it when Tiger Woods plays like he is like

469
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Speaker 5: a singular force of nature that I do not believe

470
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Speaker 5: that Augusta or the PGA Tour or his sponsors are

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden going to turn their back on

472
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Speaker 5: Tiger Woods because of this latest incident. He's too he's

473
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Speaker 5: too valuable to the entity. Now, that might also be

474
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Speaker 5: part of the problem that enables him to not change

475
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Speaker 5: his behavior, But these companies are not going to take

476
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Speaker 5: up a moral stand against their bottom line with Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 2: Well, on my take on him was people osa. When

478
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: you know rich men enrich successful men often athletes get

479
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: into car wrecks or DUIs how stupid? How do you

480
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: not have a driver? Number one? I get in my

481
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: car five times a day. You know, it's not like

482
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Speaker 2: Tiger's got a nine to five job, drop me off

483
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Speaker 2: at work and pick me up. So Tiger doesn't want

484
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Speaker 2: to pay a million dollars a half a million dollars

485
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Speaker 2: a year for a guy to park outside his Jupiter

486
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Speaker 2: floor to home and take him to Vaughn's or Safeway.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

488
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Speaker 2: Secondly, a lot of successful men and athletes are adrenaline junkies.

489
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: They got six cars, maybe twelve, they like to drive

490
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Speaker 2: them and they think they're bulletproof. So if they got

491
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Speaker 2: a cocktail or four, if they smoke a blunt or two,

492
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Speaker 2: they like to get into the car and they hey, man,

493
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Speaker 2: I'm bulletproof. So when I look at that, do I

494
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: feel bad for Tiger? Absolutely? I think his job now

495
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: is to be a better dad.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: The golf thing is secondary. But when I hear people

498
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Speaker 2: just jump to the how can he not have a driver?

499
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: Guys athletes, you know, it's it's it's an outlier to

500
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Speaker 2: find a wealthy athlete with fewer than a half dozen cars.

501
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: Guys in cars, I mean, it's it's an alpha quality.

502
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: It is a testosterone quality. Fast cars, fast driving, and

503
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Speaker 2: so you know, I just I'm not defending the actions

504
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: of Tiger, but he's clearly got a major problem. There

505
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: was a story about opioids found in his body. It's awful.

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Speaker 5: Well that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, So listen, the

507
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: half a million or a million dollars a year Tiger

508
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Speaker 5: could afford it chooses not to because of what you

509
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 5: were talking about. Most likely he likes he likes either

510
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 5: driving his cool cars. I mean that car that he

511
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 5: flipped was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars car and

512
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 5: he probably has a lot of them. And also this

513
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 5: is pure speculation, but we have reason to believe it.

514
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 5: I mean, Tiger Woods has done some shady things with relationships,

515
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: and he might not want a witness to where he's

516
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 5: going at all times to see who he might want

517
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 5: to see. But the thing that is just so obviously

518
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 5: you talk about having a few drinks or smoking, the

519
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: smoking a blunt, you know, he blew a zero point zero.

520
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 5: He had no booze in his system, but they found

521
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: too hyper coodone in his pocket. Like he's had a

522
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 5: ton of surgeries. He clearly is Listen, I can't diagnose addiction, right,

523
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 5: it is fair to speculate that he is addicted to

524
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Speaker 5: pain pills or at the very least dependent on them,

525
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 5: and is clearly and has just from the last EUI

526
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 5: and the toxicology report that came out, there was a

527
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: bunch of it in his system. He represents a lot

528
00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 5: of the symptoms of it. Glassy eyed, puffy face, lethargic

529
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 5: a lot. You know, pill opioids are scary because they work,

530
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 5: like you know what I mean, like it's big business.

531
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: Someone very close to me has a serious problem with it.

532
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 5: We've tried many different things to get them help. It's

533
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: a scary thing. But if you deal with chronic pain

534
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 5: and that little white pill is the only thing that

535
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 5: gives you relief, it's hard to say no to it

536
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 5: because dealing with chronic pain is awful. But the thing

537
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 5: that you can't do, you have to have better judgment

538
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 5: than to get behind the wheel of a car. If

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 5: you're taking opioids every day, you just it's it's dangerous.

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: You are a danger to yourself and society. And if

541
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Speaker 5: he had pills in his system, which we again assume

542
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 5: that he did based on his previous history and based

543
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 5: on the reports of the officers at the scene and

544
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 5: the physical evidence of he had more in his pocket,

545
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: it's just dangerous, man. It's just it's just straight up

546
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 5: dangerous to like, even if he's not behind the wheel

547
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: of a car, taking that being that dependent on that

548
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 5: quantity of opioids is just a very dangerous thing. And

549
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 5: when he's had a couple dozen surgeries at this point,

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: it's no surprise that that's the situation that he's got

551
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: himself into. So you're right about men in cars and adrenaline.

552
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: Junkie and all that, but if he's taken a high

553
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 5: dose of pain medicine every day for chronic pain, he's

554
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: probably never in condition to drive, if we're being totally honest,

555
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 5: Like he really gets it's a hard thing to manage.

556
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 5: So I I do feel badly for him, But he's

557
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: got he's got to stop driving somehow because or he's

558
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 5: got to get the pain situation under control, because it's dangerous.

559
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: Man.

560
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: It's those things are They are scary with how much

561
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: they work. I don't know if you've ever had a

562
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 5: big surgery, but like I've had final fusion surgery, and

563
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: which is what Tiger has had.

564
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

565
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's like you could be in the most

566
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 5: pain ever and then you take one of those pills

567
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: and you feel like you're floating. This is the greatest

568
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 5: thing in the world. So, yes, he's got a serious,

569
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: serious problem in his hands.

570
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: Pivot to this. I am on an island, but I

571
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: think most officials are great. The NFL, according to NFL ops,

572
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: over ninety nine percent of calls are right now. Now

573
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: that's NFL ops, but I think that's a fairly reasonable number.

574
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: We are watching the ABS system and what we're finding

575
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: is homeplate umpiring is difficult, but again, half the time

576
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: the umpires are right and there's just not that many challenges,

577
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: which is pretty amazing considering batters are different sizes, the

578
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: zone is different, the ball's going ninety eight with movement,

579
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: and even when you pat your head it's a sillimeter,

580
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: it's just outside. So officials are good. So there's this

581
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: sense that you can't go with replacement refs, and in

582
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Speaker 2: most instances, I think there's very few great of anything,

583
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you can find replacement refs. But if

584
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm the NFL, here's my take. All you people do

585
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: is complain about baseball umpires and NBA refs, and they're

586
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: full time, and our guys get ninety nine percent hit rate.

587
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: Our league is growing faster than any other league, so

588
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: it's clearly tolerable for television and radio and screaming consumption. Well,

589
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: it's working. Well, why do we have to go full

590
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: time the other sports? I mean, you can't win an

591
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: NBA series without seventy five percent of the fans claiming

592
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: it's rigged. It's just an automatic, it's rigged. So my

593
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: take is the NFL is like folks, we got part

594
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: time guys ninety nine percent. Right, Our games don't take

595
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: thirty minutes for the last two and a half like

596
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: the NBA. We don't need an ABS system necessarily at

597
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: the you know, for our calls and it's working. So

598
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: so what's the point of us going full time?

599
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, the listen.

600
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Speaker 5: The argument for going full time is they have the money.

601
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: That's probably the only argument. I don't know if ninety

602
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 5: nine figure is correct. I think that officiating has been damaged,

603
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: like the public perception of officiating has been damaged by

604
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 5: HD television, Like we have this ability to microscopics slow down,

605
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: NBC it zoom, and they can show us three replays

606
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: immediately before the next snap is done, and it's just

607
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: totally and we're debating it for forty five seconds, for

608
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Speaker 5: a minute, for a minute and a half on these replays,

609
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: and then the rule analysts will come on TV and

610
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: be like that should be overturned, and then the ref

611
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: on the field is like call stands, and we're like,

612
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: what the hell's going on?

613
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: You know.

614
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: So, like I think that's why public opinion on refs

615
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: is so much, is so out of skewed, with out

616
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: of skew with the reality I'll be like, of course,

617
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 5: they're very, very good, and umpiring is virtually impossible. I

618
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: had a hard time doing it for like college age

619
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: Beer League baseball, when guys are hungover puking in right field.

620
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 5: I was an umpire for a couple of summers, and

621
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is ridiculous, Like I am straight up

622
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: guessing as to what is a ball at a strike.

623
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: So I can't imagine doing it at that level. But

624
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 5: I just think that the the NFL is in such

625
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 5: a position where they're teflon whether they do it or don't,

626
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: replacement refs or not. And they know they're fine, they

627
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: know exactly exactly and they and they know it, and

628
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 5: so I think that I think you are probably right

629
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: with the direction this goes. They win. They tend to

630
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 5: win labor standoffs with players, they'll win this one. With

631
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: the refs like that, they are totally tefl on, And

632
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 5: I agree, buy and large refs are better than we

633
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: give them credit for. But I love that ABS exists

634
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 5: in baseball now.

635
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's great.

636
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Speaker 5: I do love it.

637
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Speaker 2: It's a game, it's a game show. I get a

638
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: reveal in a studio audience.

639
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Speaker 5: It's great, and it goes fast like it. It's it

640
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 5: might be the best use of replay since tennis, where

641
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 5: like tennis is you know what I mean, Tennis is

642
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: just like in out and it's instant and it's binary,

643
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: like that's never going to be topped. But just like

644
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: the speed of it, how infrequent it's used, the strategy behind,

645
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: like you save this one or do you use it?

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