1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: That's it the Marlins for our off season to do list. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Isaac is Zoo joining us right now, Isaac. Great to 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: have you on and you can catch Isaac's work on 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Fish on First Great site, cover in the Marlins, rights 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: for Them, editor for Them, co host of Fish Unfiltered, 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: among many other Marlins insights. So let's get into this, Isaac. 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is the to do list here 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: for the Marlins so far? Christopher Morrell added to see 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: if they can catch some fire from somebody who definitely 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: has the stat cast stats. But what else can you 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: tell us about what you expect? 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: Well, I think the Marlins have a few things on 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: there to do list for sure. First things first is 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: the high leverage relief options that they that are on 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: the market, still on the market anyway, I think they 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: want to shore up the back end of that bullpen immediately. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Then second is probably to add at least one or 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: maybe two more bats to their lineup, whether it's via 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: trade or free agency, I think either way, they just 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: would like to add a little bit of length to 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: that lineup. And then finally, or simon a while, I 22 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: think you could see an extension happened this offseason. Like 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: I said, for the first time, at least under this 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: ownership group, the Marlins have some pretty attractive extension candidates, 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be surprised if there's maybe multiple extensions 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: announced what in the next twelve months or so. 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: High leverage relief options ISAAC have been going off the board. 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: Have they been in on those in the sense that 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 3: not in like the Red Sox are in on every 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: single player. Still haven't signed a major league free agent. 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: But were they in? Were they in to push this 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: team in an area, like you said, high leverage, Like 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: to me, this is one of the better starting pitching 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: organizations that's out there right now, and then the bullpen 35 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: just fell flat on their face. For the most part. 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: A high leverage would have pushed them to above five hundred, 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: you know, to a much higher season ending record. 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent improved by seventeen wins last year. 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: I think you could have seen them be in the 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: postseason race up until Game one sixty two had they 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: had a little bit more depth at the back end 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: of that bullpen. Obviously Ronnie Henriquez did everything he could, 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: but yes, so answer your question, they were very much 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: interested in Devin Williams before he got off the board. 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: They were interested in Steven Mattz, cal Finnegan, Ryan Helsley 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: before he went to Baltimore. So they have been in 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: on a lot of these guys, but unfortunately they just 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 2: weren't comfortable going to the multiple years that they did 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: command from their respective organizations. One guy that's still out 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: there that still is considered high leverage is Peter Fairbanks, 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: and I can confirm that the Martins are still very 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: much interested. They've even upped their offers to the mid 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: teens for a one year deal, so you could see 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: him one year thirteen fourteen million dollars or so. So yeah, 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: I think that's their sort of last chance for that 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: high leverage role anyway. And I think if let's say 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: they they're unable to get him, I think you could 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: see them sort of wait till January or February for 59 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: some of those lower tier guys, maybe someone like Sir 60 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: Anthony Domingez could come close to them. 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: Way way they weren't comfortable going a few years. Like 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: this team is young, it's not like they're like we 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: got to win now. This is the win now, Like 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: if they get a stopgap one year, Pete Fairbanks at 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: even if they say thirteen million dollars which per year, 66 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 3: that would be more than what Brad Keller got, That 67 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: would be more than what Luke Weaver got. Why do 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: you feel like, besides the fact that they're cheap and 69 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: don't want to spend that they weren't willing to with 70 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: the way this roster is and I love this young roster. 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: Say we want somebody for three years that locks down 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: that bullpen. 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: It's not about the money. It's like you said, it's 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: about the years. And from what I understand, this is 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: just the way that Peter Bendix operates. It's the way 76 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: that Tampa Bay Rays operate. They don't feel comfortable handing 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: out They think that free agent deals are just sometimes 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: not a great value at times. And if you want 79 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: to get a reliever who there's no position on the 80 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: field that's more volatile than that. They just don't feel 81 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: comfortable handing out three year deals to guys who have 82 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: suffered some injury history in Fairbanks case or another guys 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: like William Some guys will command forty five year deals 84 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: like Suarez and like Edwin Diaz. But in Miami's case, 85 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: Peter Bendix is going to operate in the way like 86 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: the Rays have and they're just gonna give one year 87 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: deals to a lot of these guys. 88 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: Let me, I'm gonna transfer over to the extensions. But 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: first let me help you a little bit. It's about 90 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: the money. It's not about the years. They they they 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 4: don't care about the years. It's all always about the money. 92 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: But instead of being in seat of throwing out the 93 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: words cheap or anything, let's just go cost effective, small market. 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: I played in one for for many years Cleveland, and 95 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: one of their guidelines to get through it, and one 96 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: of their reasons that they were successful in the nineties 97 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: and two thousands and before that, was they would lock 98 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: up their young players early and on cheap deals. Rather 99 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 4: they would be team friendly deals, and that's how you 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: get them. So who are the top priorities that Miami 101 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: is trying to consider? Who do you think are the 102 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: top three to five that they they should lock up 103 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: or trying to lock. 104 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: Up The number one guy, from what I understand, is 105 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: right handed Yuri pro As. The two sides had conversations 106 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: back in spring training of twenty twenty five, and obviously 107 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: during the season they don't really have those talks, but 108 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: they are expected to resume this offseason, maybe even going 109 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: into spring training. So I think he's the number one priority. 110 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: You know, they don't really love extending pitchers either, but 111 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: if they're on young pitcher two lock up long term, 112 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: his combination of just control and command and stuff and age, 113 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: you just he's the number one target. And then the 114 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: second guy, Jacob Marcy, who debuted in the second half 115 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: of last year. They acquired him and he leuis a 116 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: rise deal and he just came up and was on 117 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: a five win pace during his two months stretch with 118 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: the Marlins. And there have been some conversations between his 119 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: representatives and the Marlins as recently as the last couple 120 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: of weeks going after the winter meetings, and so I 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: expect that to maybe be able to get done. From 122 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: what I understand, they're looking at the first Christian Yelch 123 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: extension from the Marls. I believe that I was in 124 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, seven years forty four million dollars ISSH. Jared 125 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: duran One is another comp that I've heard. So it 126 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: looks like the Marlins are trying to extend a couple 127 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: of their guys. 128 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: All right, If you had your if you had your choice, 129 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: to make this team best where it fits into this 130 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: current young, young position player corps that they have. What 131 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: free agent bat or trade would plug in and make 132 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: the most impact. I don't care if you say Kyle Tucker. 133 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: You know he lives in Florida. I don't care. It's 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: more of how it fits into this roster and the 135 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: niche that they need, because there are some positions that, 136 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: in my opinion, are filled already in Miami with some 137 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: really good players like Marci I love, Augustine Ramirez. You know, 138 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 3: there's some guys that have good position, But where do 139 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: you see that fit being if you had endless cash. 140 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: If you look at the twenty twenty five season, the 141 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: position that lacked the most production was by far first base. 142 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: And since I don't have a name for you, it 143 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: looks like that they're not necessarily going after first baseman. 144 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: It looks like they're trying to go the route of 145 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: finding maybe an outfield or whatever the best bat available is, 146 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: whether trade or free agency, They're going to try and 147 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: fix that first base issue. Internally, there's been reports that 148 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: alder Griffin Conine will get reps at first base. There's 149 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: reports that Connor Norby, Hi, ROBERTA Hernandez, a couple of 150 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: other outfielders and third baseman could get reps at first base. 151 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: So it doesn't seem like they're targeting a specific position 152 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: on the diamond more so just trying to find the 153 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: best bat available to linked in that lineup and then 154 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: mix it matches the season goes on, because the way 155 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: I see it, there's maybe four guys in that lineup 156 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: that are going to play every single day and the 157 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: rest it will be a mix and match situation. 158 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: At some point they got to I mean, it's great 159 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 4: to extend and it's great for a fan base to 160 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: see these young players for amount of years and get 161 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: attached to them and all that stuff, but you got 162 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: to get a little star power at someone if you 163 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: want to rejuvenate a fan base, and if you want 164 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: to rejuvenate a great city like Miami, because it's just 165 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: it's not the best sports city. There's a lot of 166 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: other stuff going on that guys. The games are just 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: it's one of the most empty stadiums when they play. 168 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: You need that star power and they had it before 169 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: with the the late Jose Fernandez and John Carlo when 170 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 4: he was hit home runs there. It's like you got 171 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: to have a face for the franchise or something like that. 172 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: So it's nice to have these young guys, but at 173 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: some point, if you want to actually do something as 174 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: an organization, they got to go out and get a name. 175 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't hurt. Just remember you. I'm sure you 176 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: know when when Stanton was chasing sixty and Jose was 177 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: pitching as well as he was, no one was there either. 178 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: You know, they had a time. 179 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 5: That's true. 180 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: They had a tough time getting fans in that ballpark regardless. 181 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: So like I said before, it's they're just going to 182 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: operate like the Rays, and they think that through development, 183 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: through drafting, through clever trades and waiver wire pickups, they 184 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: will get to where they want to be. And it's 185 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: if it's not the sexiest way, so be it. But 186 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: that's just the way that it sounds like they're going 187 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: to go. 188 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: All right, I got an org question for you, because 189 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: I know Jeremy pal the head of pitching development, whatever 190 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: name you want to have in the minor leagues that 191 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: got fired when Peter Bendix came in or not rehired 192 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: as minor league coaches. If you don't get a job, 193 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: you're not fired, You're just not rehired. He was very 194 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: instrumental and essential in this crop of young pitchers that 195 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: came up through the organization. He had his fingerprint on 196 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: a lot of these guys, and Peter Bendex comes in 197 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: and doesn't renew him, just like the position put the 198 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: head of position players and hitting. When gian Carlos Stanton, JT. 199 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: Real Muto, Christian Yelich, Marcelo Zuna, we're coming through the 200 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: minor leagues, they get rid of that. Isn't that where 201 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: the Marlins have to be one hundred percent even to 202 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: the point of look, Jeremy Palell, because I'm using that 203 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: as an example. You've done so well helping these pictures 204 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: become who they are. Obviously it's all in the pictures. 205 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: We need to keep you. Plus add to that because 206 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: another coach, what does that cost one hundred and fifty 207 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: thousand dollars two hundred thousand if you have the greatest one. 208 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: But they're looking to cut those pieces and it almost 209 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: is like they're cutting they're cutting their pipeline. That is 210 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: the only way of what you just said building this 211 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: team from within. 212 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: Well before Peter took over, the system was in shambles. 213 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: I think we can all agree on that they really 214 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: had one of the worst farm systems in baseball, and 215 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: since he has taken over, it has jumped to arguably 216 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: top ten. And regarding renewing coaches, any time a head 217 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: of baseball operations department is gonna, you know, make overseeing changes, 218 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: he's gonna do some crazy overhauling and unfortunately there's some 219 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: unpopular decisions when it comes with that. But yeah, there's 220 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: a lot of examples of coaches that I thought could 221 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: have stayed or even Triba a Jacksonville's coach not coming 222 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: back either. There's a lot of moves that are head 223 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: scratchers at times. But again, Peter Bennix is always, you know, 224 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: to bring in his own guys, the guys that he's 225 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: comfortable with, guys that he has history with, even if hey, 226 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: those guys directly had an impact on some of these 227 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: young guys pitching really well. Unfortunately, it's just the way 228 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: it goes, all right. 229 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: So one more pitching question for you, calling pitches from 230 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: the dugout. They did it the last As a catcher, 231 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: I have some not one hundred percent. I'm not one 232 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: hundred percent against it. I'm some percent against it because 233 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: all it is is about success and the success showed 234 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: when they did it. I think it was it the 235 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: last month or the last two weeks. You know, they 236 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: can show in that small sample size that it was successful. 237 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: Are they going to continue it and ramp it up more? 238 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: Yes, that will be continued. Obviously, Miami's assistant pitching coach, 239 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: Alon Likeman, is going to go be with the Colorado 240 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: Rockies as their head pitching coach, and so since then 241 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: Miami has been able to replace them with Rob Marcello, 242 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: and it sounds like they're gonna go in to spring 243 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: training and see how it goes and you know, get 244 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: everyone up to speed with that process. But it does 245 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: sound like that will continue going into twenty twenty six 246 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: as well as through all the minor league levels. They 247 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: will be calling pitches from the dugout and if I 248 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: had a guess, it'd be Rob Marchello calling pitches this 249 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: year to replace Alon. And then, yeah, it is an 250 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: interesting POV. You're, like you said, you're a catcher. There's 251 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: guys in the dug that don't know how the hitters 252 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: feeling behind the plate, like you guys would do. So 253 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: it's definitely interesting the way what they're doing, but the 254 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: results you can't argue with results so far. They only 255 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: did two weeks toward the end of September, but it 256 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: really panned out pretty well, honestly, But obviously it's September numbers. 257 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: It can't put too much weight on it. However, yes, 258 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: it will be back in twenty twenty six. 259 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 3: When it has success again, because obviously if it doesn't 260 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: have success, we're not going to hear about it. It's 261 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: not going to be the front office's fault. But when 262 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: it has success again, does it seem like a approach 263 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: that will work in big situations, in playoff situations, in 264 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: the place where I hope the Marlins organization wants to 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: get to, and that's into big games. 266 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I would assume that if they're 267 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: doing it in the minor league or they're doing a 268 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: spring training and they're doing it from opening day on, 269 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: I would have to imagine that if they're playing in 270 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: the National League Championship Series, they're going to be doing 271 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: it there too. They've been prepping their catches in the 272 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: minor league levels for years or for the last year 273 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: anyway for the situation, and I just don't I wouldn't 274 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: understand if they would do it only for the whole 275 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two game season and then not when 276 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: it really matters in October. I would tend to agree 277 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: with you that, you know, I would like in those 278 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: high leveled spots, maybe let the catcher make those calls. 279 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: But their point of view is to let the catchers 280 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: just focus on catching the ball and hitting and framing 281 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: well and then yeah, just leaving the pitch calling to 282 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: the guys in the dugout. 283 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Hey last one for you, Isaac. I lived in Miami 284 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: for five years, and I want to go back to 285 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: how you described John, Carlos, stan and Jose Fernandez. They're 286 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: still not commanding an audience. If it's you, you own 287 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: the team right now, how do you create more buzz? 288 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean a couple things that come to mind. I 289 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: think the Heat have done a much better job. Sure 290 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: they had that era when Lebron and Wade there, and 291 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that certainly helps. But you know how Miami is. You 292 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: need success and star power. So I don't think that 293 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: the way that they're doing things is going to lead 294 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: to butts in seats, right just Hey, I don't think 295 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: they're going to build a consistent winner with this model, 296 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: right the Rays they're basically doing exactly what the Rays do, 297 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: and the comp for the Rays, in addition to being 298 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg, which I know as a factor, is 299 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: that they don't build around stars and the Tampa Bay 300 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: Lightning did. And we see the difference in how those 301 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: two businesses operate. 302 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: You go to Tampa and you're like. 303 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Wait, it's hockey more popular than baseball in Florida, and 304 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: it's like, no, nobody plays hockey in Florida. But they 305 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: end up having this super successful franchise. So I start 306 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: to think, Okay, I worked in a number of spots 307 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: in the sports scene down in Miami. The only combination 308 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: that works is both you need success and star power 309 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: and then you will get people to show up. It 310 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: needs to be a party, a vibe. It needs to 311 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: be of course like the WBC. You're not going to 312 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: get that, but you need to figure out ways to 313 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: recreate that. So how would you fix it? 314 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: I think Number one is continuity and that's something that 315 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: this organization, this franchise and its entire history, has really 316 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: never had. And I think you could see some of 317 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: that now with some of the extensions we spoke about earlier. 318 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: And then factors are around the ballpark, the infrastructure. If 319 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: you go to a ballpark, you go to a ballgame 320 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: at Marlins Park or a loan depot park, I'm sorry, 321 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: there's not much to do either before the game or 322 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: after the game. You know, I've covered games on the 323 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: road at Wrigley Field and there's just you know, infinite 324 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: things to do after the ball game that fans really 325 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: like to do. So it's got to be more than 326 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: just a baseball game. It's got to be an event 327 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: for teams, for fans who want to go to and 328 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: I think the Marlins have done a pretty good job 329 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: of enhancing the ballpark experience. Look for the Nles, it's 330 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: going to bring more ball, more people, more butts in 331 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: that in that stadium. So it starts with continuity of 332 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: your big star players. I think Sanuel Condra is going 333 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: to be back next year, so that's a big start. 334 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: That's a good start, and they're gonna have to have 335 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: some firepower and they're hoping that agu Seen Ramiers and 336 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: Kyle Stowers can launch home runs for years to come. 337 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: And they're also working on some construction around the ballpark 338 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: and some stuff that could probably help with the infrastructure wise, 339 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: infrastructure side. Cool. 340 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: I would love to see it. Yeah, I'd love to 341 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: see it, and I want to get to a game 342 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: this year. And really of course it's going to be 343 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: buzzing for the World Baseball Classic right coming very soon 344 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: to that area. I'm sure you've been for me. The 345 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic in Miami was a crazier scene than 346 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: any World Series or postseason game I've been to. That's 347 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: how incredible it is. So you see the electricity, and 348 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: many people are coming from Miami or places right around Miami. 349 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Of course people fly in so anyway, you know, you 350 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: just wish you sit there and you're like, damn, this 351 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: place could be lit. So but you know, yeah, Isaac, 352 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: great to talk to. You really appreciate the time. And 353 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: Fish on First is the spot if you want to 354 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: read all of Isaac's work, Fish Unfiltered if you want 355 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: to listen to him, and you can follow him at 356 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Isaac a zuit A z out on Twitter. Oh yeah, 357 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: and on the way out, if you want to stop by, 358 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: there's a somewhat new restaurant that's quite popular down there called, she. 359 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: Said, and win right. 360 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: Check it out. 361 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: That's so thank you guys so much for having me. 362 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, Isaac, appreciate you. Here he is, Paulins joining 363 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: us right now. You can watch his coverage both on 364 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Baseball Talk podcast and also of course on 365 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Cleveland dot com. Beat writer there, longtime covering Cleveland and 366 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: recipient of the twenty twenty six BBWAA Career Excellence Award. 367 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: He's going to be inducted into Cooperstown this summer. So 368 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: it is great to have you on, Paul, and congratulations 369 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: on the honor. 370 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks very much, guys. Thanks. 371 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: Uh, well, let's get into biz first. Wherever we at 372 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: with Cleveland so far this offseason. 373 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 6: They've been they're on the back burner as usual. They 374 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 6: haven't done a whole lot. 375 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: Uh. 376 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: They've made a commitment to, you know, go with their 377 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 6: young position players. You know, that's why you know, they 378 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 6: obviously need some help offensively, but they're going to rely 379 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 6: on their young players that they've you know, developed over 380 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 6: the last few years. They've made some moves in the 381 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 6: bullpend department, added three or four you know free agents. 382 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 6: They took a guy in a rule five draft, But 383 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 6: basically it's been it's been a pretty quiet offseason for Cleveland. 384 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 6: You know, a team that's won the division the last 385 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 6: two years. 386 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, the last time they were this good, Jason Kipness, 387 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: Corey Klueber, Lonnie Chisenhall. They went out and got an 388 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: Edwin and Carnassion. Does the organization think this team? 389 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 5: Doesn't? 390 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: Do they think this team isn't very good? Because Stephen 391 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: Vote is never gonna say that. Stephen Vote's gonna be 392 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 3: the eternal optimist, one of my best friends that is 393 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: just so positive. He thinks this team is good and 394 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: he has to convince his players this team is good. 395 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: Does the organization not think that? Or if they did 396 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 3: think that, where would that Edwin and Carnassion move come from? 397 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean, uh, you know the last time they did, 398 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 6: you know, the Karnassion deal was what three years, sixty million. 399 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: That was right after they reached the World Series in 400 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 6: two thousand and sixteen, and they have not made that 401 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 6: kind of commitment they they you know, it was almost 402 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 6: like last season, you know that that was almost like 403 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 6: to me at least, it seemed like a step back season, 404 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: the season to reset and all of a sudden they 405 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 6: come back from fifteen and a half games out in July, 406 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 6: there's still what eleven games out on September, and they 407 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 6: win the division. Kind of it was. It was almost 408 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 6: they were as surprised as anybody else. And I think 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 6: they're still in that same kind of boat. They've they've 410 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 6: wanted to make, you know, commit to the young players, 411 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 6: and it doesn't seem like they're gonna, you know, deviate 412 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 6: from that path. 413 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: Paul, what's going on? Jason Kidnis here? Longtime listener, first 414 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: time paller, Good to see you. 415 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 6: What's ugh, Kiv? I'm still talking to me. 416 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 5: Look at us. I could ask you all the questions now. 417 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 6: That's right, This is a little reversal. 418 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, first question, how the hell did you get into 419 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame? 420 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 6: I'm asking myself the same question when they told me 421 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: at the Winter meetings, I almost passed out. 422 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: Listen, you were there long before me, and you're there 423 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 4: long after me. You've been doing it for a long 424 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: time for Cleveland. I know we've had our riffs and 425 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: back and forth, but there's always a respect there and 426 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 4: I just want to say congratulations to you. 427 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 5: That's well deserved. Happy for you. 428 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 6: That's awesome, Thanks Jason. I appreciate that. That means a 429 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 6: lot to me. 430 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 5: What can you tell us? 431 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 4: I know there's some rumors I think where we both 432 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: are well in the know of that Cleveland kind of 433 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: has to mix and match some pieces, and we were 434 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: just talking about that. It's not always They're not always 435 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: in for those big names or those big contract guys. 436 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 4: So I'm hearing some rumors between Cleveland and the Cardinals. 437 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 4: I think, is there any front on that, whether Donovan's 438 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: names come up or what can you tell us on 439 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 4: that end? 440 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, they have, you know, that name has come up. 441 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 6: But again, you know, when we've talked, when we've asked 442 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 6: about that, you know, they say they do not want 443 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 6: to bring in, you know, a free agent on a 444 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 6: two or three year deal to block the path of 445 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 6: a young developing player that they've invested in. So you know, 446 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 6: I would really you know, I think eventually they'll make 447 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: a deal. They'll add some you know, a hitter to 448 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 6: this lineup at some point, but I don't think it's 449 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 6: going to be a high profile guy, Jason, even maybe 450 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 6: a mid level guy. I just think I just get 451 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 6: that impression. 452 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, Sorry, Eric, I got one more quick 453 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: follow up. 454 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 4: But I think on that one, would you agree that 455 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: they're still in the same position where they want to 456 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: see the first half in their big names or big 457 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: profiles would come at a big deadline trade kind of 458 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: like a push. They never really do it in the offseason. 459 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: Be eyes that we've talked about Edwin earlier. 460 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that that that's you know, they are 461 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 6: if they're in if they're in position, if they're in contention, Uh, 462 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 6: they you they will make moves. I guess the big 463 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: the name out there right is Steven Kwan. You know 464 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 6: that's that's the name they're getting a lot of calls on. Uh, that's, 465 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 6: you know, the one player that people want. They came 466 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 6: after him at the deadline last last season. Uh, this 467 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 6: this winner, it's been the same. But I get the 468 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 6: impression that that he's going to be the opening day 469 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 6: left fielder for Cleveland on March twenty sixth. Then if 470 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 6: there's a you know, depending how the season goes, there 471 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 6: could be more activity at the deadline because he's he's 472 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 6: only got two years of control left, so as you know, 473 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 6: they usually you know, if he hasn't signed an extension 474 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 6: by now, that usually means, you know, one way or 475 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 6: the other, he's going to be uh leaving Cleveland and 476 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 6: then you know, probably within the next two years. 477 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: What would they look for in return? Since it wasn't 478 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: gonna be my question, but you're talking about if if 479 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: they would trade him, if they would trade Stephen Kwan, 480 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: what type of return do you think where this roster 481 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: currently is the Guardians need to go to because of 482 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: they're a playoff team each year. Some people don't know how, 483 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 3: but they're a playoff team. A few pieces here and there. 484 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 3: Could they beat the Yankees two years ago? Could they 485 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: beat the Tigers who they outlasted for the division? If 486 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: they make this Stephen Kwan trade a more big league 487 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: next three year type of trade and not ooh, save 488 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: my job for the next six years type of trade. 489 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, they would. You know, that's the tough part when 490 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 6: I when I try to think about this, You know, 491 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 6: Kwan is probably your second best offensive player next to 492 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 6: Jose Ramirez, uh and you you know, you hit two 493 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 6: twenty six as a team last year, the lowest team 494 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 6: batting average and franchise history that goes back to nineteen 495 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 6: oh one. And are you really going to trade that player? 496 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 6: And if so, what do you get for him? And 497 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 6: do you do you get another offensive player? You know, 498 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 6: he's a leadoff hitter. He doesn't hit for a lot 499 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 6: of power, you know, he I think he would fit 500 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 6: on top of a you know, a really a dynamic 501 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 6: offensive team. You know he might be you know that 502 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 6: that would probably make him even better. But to get 503 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 6: you know, if you if the Guardians had trade him, 504 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 6: they would have to get back. I think the one 505 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 6: thing they're lacking is it have to be some kind 506 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 6: of power, you know. But that's you know, it's just 507 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 6: it's a hard it's a hard deal to uh to 508 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 6: wrap your head around. I guess you know, you'd have 509 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 6: to get back, like you said, for you'd have to 510 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 6: get back some immediate players that give you some immediate impact. 511 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 6: And you know, I would imagine some prospects. 512 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: All right, you talked about power. It's seven days till Christmas. 513 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: John Kenzie Noel just got designated as we're talking here yesterday. 514 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: And it's ironic that Luke Weaver, who we hit the 515 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: huge home run in the playoffs off of signs a 516 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: two year, twenty two million dollar deal in the same 517 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: day that he gets designated. Did they get the most 518 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: out of John Kenzie. No, well, because of the fact 519 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 3: that they called him up, you know, he filled in 520 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: some roles. Or did they miss on the fact that 521 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: he has light tower power and they weren't able to 522 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: implement it in the big leagues well enough for him 523 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: to stick and be a big part of that power 524 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 3: that they're lacking. 525 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question, and I always go back 526 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 6: and forth. Jason knows, is that they platooned so much 527 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 6: in this organization with the with the lineup, you know, 528 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 6: there's only two or three guys that play every day. 529 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 6: And you know, with with with John Kenzie being a 530 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 6: young guy, big guy, big swing, it's hard for him 531 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 6: to come. To me, it was hard for him to 532 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 6: really get into a groove. Now in twenty twenty four, 533 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 6: I thought they use him a lot better than they did. 534 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 6: But of course he had better numbers in twenty twenty four. 535 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 6: But to me, they they have such they have so 536 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 6: many outfielders and they and they mix and match every 537 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 6: day that you know, the players sometimes you know, there's 538 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 6: they can't get in a groove. They they're in and 539 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 6: out of the lineup so frequently that that I think, 540 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 6: you know, it as a team for team wise, it works, 541 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 6: you know, wins and losses, it works, But some players 542 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 6: suffer in that in that uh you know, in that arrangement. 543 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 5: No, you're absolutely right. 544 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: I think if you don't get those every day at 545 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 4: bats or or know that you're still going to be 546 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: in the lineup after or no for four, you start 547 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 4: kind of pressing and grinding a little bit too much 548 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 4: and you never really find that groove that can set 549 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 4: you forward and give you the confidence to become a 550 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 4: better version of yourself. I guess I want to ask 551 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: you what would it take? Because I think some of 552 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: the best Cleveland has have and I think you're gonna 553 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 4: agree with me on this, some of their successes almost 554 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: hurt them in the long run because they have made 555 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: it to the playoffs, been almost right there without making 556 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: that big splash move, without spending that money. So the 557 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 4: ownership really doesn't think that they ever have to, because 558 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: I think they're fine, but it seems like until they do, 559 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 4: they're not going to get over that hump, and they're 560 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: always goind of to be stuck in this middle middle 561 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: ground with a fan wanting them to spend more. 562 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 5: What would it take for a reset. What is it 563 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 5: going to take where. 564 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: What would Jose Ramirez trade do for this franchise or 565 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: what what would when would it come to that point 566 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: to where Kwan and Ramirez and you really just reset, 567 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: because if you're not going to spend money, you might 568 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 4: as well retool and restock and those two guys can 569 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: give you the biggest packages back. 570 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I uh, there might be a revolt in Cleveland 571 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 6: if they I. 572 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: Hear you, as they should be, as they should be. 573 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: All we all love him, but he definitely has with 574 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 4: his contract, could bring back uh Yayhood Hall. 575 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: But they are in a position, Jason, and you know 576 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 6: this haven't played there for so long that they feel 577 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 6: they cannot take it down to uh you know, the foundation. 578 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 6: They cannot do a total rebuild here. That's you know, 579 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 6: kind of been their claim to fame that every year 580 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 6: they put a consistent good team on the field. Uh 581 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 6: you know, it might not be a name filled with 582 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 6: a household player household names, but they they're able to 583 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 6: produce or in the right division for them, Uh, they 584 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 6: have a chance to win it every year. And I think, 585 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 6: uh the front office has taken that approach and and 586 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 6: as you said, yeah, it can get you the division title, 587 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: it can get you into the postseason. But then you know, 588 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 6: you always run into the Yankees. And you know the 589 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 6: last time they ran into the Yankees in the ALCS 590 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four, I think they got out homeered 591 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 6: like ten to four, you know, and and to me, 592 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 6: that's where they get caught short. That's where the power 593 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 6: and the difference in talent comes to play. And you 594 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 6: know they're their thinking is if we you know, as 595 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 6: you know, if you if you get to if you 596 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 6: keep getting to the postseason, one of these years, things 597 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: are going to break your way. But you know it 598 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 6: is really you know, it's it's one thing to win 599 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 6: the division. It's it's another thing to you know, take 600 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 6: the next step in advance to the World Series and 601 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 6: finally win the World Series. 602 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, two questions for you, Paul are about you. 603 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: You've been with the Cleveland Baseball organization writing about them 604 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: for a long time. How many times do you still 605 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: type in the Cleveland Indians Cleveland Guardians Because even Hall 606 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: of famers make mistakes. 607 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 6: I've made more than Just ask Kipness. 608 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: He'll tell you we don't have enough time on the show. 609 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 6: I ended up in Lake Gary with one of them. 610 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 6: But no, I still find myself type in Indians. I 611 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 6: still you know, you know, we write our own headlines 612 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 6: now and I'm still writing Indians and Tribe, and in 613 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 6: the headlines it's a it's a tongue twister for me. 614 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: Okay, So then that brings me the next question. You've 615 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: covered baseball this whole time? How hard is it to 616 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 3: stay positive? Because baseball I hate when people say baseball 617 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: is a game of failure because I see so many positives, 618 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: even in outs, even in mistake pitches, even in errors. 619 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: But that's just the coach and me and the positive 620 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: baseball player and me. How hard is it to stay 621 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: positive as a writer that covers a baseball game for 622 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. 623 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 6: It's not hard for me. I like the game. I 624 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 6: like the game because everything every day is different. You know, 625 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 6: there's there's a different story, there's a different theme. You 626 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 6: can talk to different players. You know, there's gonna be 627 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 6: some bad games, obviously, some bad winning streaks, bad losing streaks, 628 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 6: winning streaks, you know, but there's usually always something to 629 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 6: write about, always something to have a little fun with, 630 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 6: to inject some humor in in it not, you know, 631 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 6: staying positive. You know, that's I think that's easy, easy 632 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 6: for the writer. I think it's I think the tough 633 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 6: part is staying positive. If if you're a player and 634 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 6: you're struggling and and you're you know, you're you're you know, 635 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 6: you're on a losing streak, you know you're not getting 636 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 6: enough playing time. You know, I marvel at at the uh, 637 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 6: the mental approach that players have, that that that keep 638 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 6: them showing up day after day after day. You know, 639 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 6: we get days off. The players never get days off. 640 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 6: They they got to be at the ballpark every day. 641 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I've I've learned over all these 642 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 6: years to really respect that. I respect the skills it takes. 643 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 6: And I don't know if I was always like that 644 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 6: when I was, you know, first started off, I was 645 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 6: more kind of a wise guy at first. 646 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 4: Listen, I think I had a lot a lot more 647 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 4: bad games than Paul had bad articles. So you've been 648 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: doing it for a long time, and again, no, you've 649 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: been doing this for a real long time in your 650 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: commitment to an organization that both of us love and 651 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 4: hold dearly. I do want to show you my appreciation 652 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 4: and congratulate you again. I'm making it to all of fame. 653 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 6: Thanks Kip. I remember you giving me let me drink 654 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 6: out of your champagne bottle in Toronto. 655 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, I look forward to seeing you. Hear this. 656 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll cross past this next year too, this 657 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: next season, so I'll save me another handshaking hug, and 658 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: I look forward to seeing you again, Bud. 659 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 6: Okay, but thanks thanks for having me guys. 660 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul, really appreciate it. Thanks Hans, good talking 661 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: to you, Thank you. Thanks a lot. We're doing futures 662 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: bet MGM futures. That's what you do when you miss baseball. 663 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: You look at what BETMGM thinks will happen in twenty 664 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: twenty six and the odds against it or for a 665 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and L Pennant. Wow, that's kind of 666 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: crazy to see the Dodgers at plus one sixty. That's 667 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: not to win the division, that's to win the National League? 668 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 4: Is that that like the lowest odds ever for a 669 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: team before a season. 670 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Gotta be up there, man, one and a half to one. 671 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 5: That is nuts. 672 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: For somebody, For somebody who took down a decent amount 673 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 3: of money for the Dodgers winning the National League Pennant, 674 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you to wait, because I got 675 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 3: a much better number than that while they were playing 676 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: the Phillies last year. So if you you get to 677 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 3: watch the entire season, and we knew that the Dodgers 678 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: and the Phillies were probably the two best National League teams, 679 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: I know, Kip was like, oh, the club is there 680 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: the best, and everybody in Milwaukee was like, the Brewers 681 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: are the best. They win the most games. When the 682 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: Dodgers were playing the Phillies, you had an opportunity to 683 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 3: get a really, really good number on the Dodgers, and 684 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: I took it. And they were never losing in that series. 685 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: And I took that number. It was better than plus 686 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: one sixty. So I'm gonna say, no weight. If that 687 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 3: is your choice weight, there will be a better. 688 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 6: Number, smart man. 689 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: It's actually a good point. There are often times during 690 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: the season where many futures look more enticing, and yeah, 691 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: if you've got playoff thoughts. 692 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: It's baseball. 693 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Almost everybody goes through a high and a low, and 694 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: sometimes you can cash in during those low points. So 695 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Dodgers are going to start slow. 696 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: But there are times when you look at a team 697 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: and be like, Eh, they're pitchings in chambles and I 698 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: don't know if this is it. I mean the Dodgers 699 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: had that once or twice this year where you're like, 700 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they look like a disaster, 701 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: but you didn't look at them as this lock to 702 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: win the World Series. And actually you could have put 703 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: some pretty good money on them in Game six. It 704 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: would have been nice. Game six World Series, they were 705 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: probably up to three to one. 706 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 3: The ninth of the World Series, you you were could 707 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: have gotten probably I would say it was probably at 708 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: like plus six hundred and seven hundred. They were down 709 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: by a run with two outs to go and Miggy 710 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 3: Rowe was on deck. I mean, Miggy Rowe was at 711 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: the plate. Yeah, you probably you probably got much better numbers, 712 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: but you're really you're really waiting until the end there. 713 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pushing it. But anyway, during the season, you 714 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: can find certain value in futures if you like to 715 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: do it that way. It's almost like live betting in 716 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: a game of kind of doing that during the course 717 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: of a season. But for now, Yeah, I'm not touching 718 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: this one, but if you feel like you want to 719 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: go there, it's not that I don't think it's going 720 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: to happen. It's just the value. It's just too low 721 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: in our minds, and we're just giving you our thoughts. Anyway, 722 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: Let's get to football. 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