1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hi everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading the 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast the step Fast app. Addition, as my 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: broadcast partner, Dave Lapham joins me to discuss week two 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: of organized team activities or OTAs for the Bengals under 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: new head coach Zach Taylor. By the way, is it 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: considered a credibility killer to sing the beginning of a 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: new Kids on the Block song and a football podcast? 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: In any case, I'll talk to lap about what he 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: observed at Tuesday's practice, and he'll share the names of 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: two newcomers to the roster that other players on the 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: team have been raving about without even being asked about them. 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: We'll get a unique perspective on the bengals number one 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: draft pick Jonah Williams as I talked to one of 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: his former high school teammates back in Fulsome, California. 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What 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: did they do a little bit differently today that they 34 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: hadn't been doing last Monday? Well, a little bit of 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: situational stuff today. Monday was no situational football whatsoever. Today 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: was a lot of red zone stuff. And I think it's, 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a progression, and it's 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: a step by step progression, and I think overall there 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: is improvement, but they're not there yet. But again, when 40 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: you when you look over on the on the rehab field, 41 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: you got Pro bowlers galore, AJ Green, the perennial one, 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Tyler Eifford, a Pro bowler, Joe Mixon, AFC rushing leader, 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl candidate. I mean that that's three serious components 44 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: to your offense, probably your three biggest components to your 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: offense potentially. Um So you know there they are down 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: a few weapons, and honestly, I think it's unfortunate because 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: getting those reps is big. This is a new offense 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: and there is a process to a step by step 49 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: process to it, and I thought overall, it was better 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: than it was last Monday. I'm not saying red zone 51 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: doesn't need a lot of improvement. I don't know how 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: much red zone they've done. We only see one practice 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: a week, but red zone when we were good in 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: eighty one and the eighty eight team, I was part 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: of red zone practices and watched red zone practices where 56 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, eighty eighty five percent of the time there 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: were completions. I mean the ball wasn't on the ground, 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: whereas you know today it was more toward fifty percent 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of the time and there were turnout. You don't want 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: to turnovers in the red zone. That happened though. Those 61 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: are the kind of things you need to avoid. So 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: there are miles to go before they rest. But I'm 63 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: telling you Dan standing behind them. You know, I look 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: at Gary Kubiak's offense that he ran with the Houston 65 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Texans and in Denver that was inside outside zone and 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: then they ran play action off of that, and they 67 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: got big chunk plays off that play action. It was remarkable. 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: You'd watch the end zone footage and right at the 69 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: mesh point you'd stop it and say run or pass, 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: and you're guessing, and it's a fifty fifty proposition. Sometimes 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: would be a run. Sometimes you pull out out of 72 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: there and be a pass. Well, think of what the 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: defensive linemen are thinking. Do I need to oh, man, 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: what is this the worst thing that you can get? 75 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: A best thing the offense can make a defense due 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: And the worst thing a defense wants to have to 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: do is guests. And if you have defensive lineman like man, 78 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: I can't blow off the field like I want to 79 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: because they may be running the ball here. It's the 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: exact same look. You get a little hesitation and then 81 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: they have to restart. By the time they restart, it's 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: too late. The ball's out. In the National Football League, 83 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: linebackers looking is it a run? Is it a pass? 84 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: It's a run, I better get my first step downhill. 85 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Oh oh man, it's a pass. If it's a pass, 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I better get my first step in a drop step. 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm heading down hill because I'm thinking it's a run. 88 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they got you in between a rock or 89 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: hard place, and you know, pass rush linebacker, play safeties. 90 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: It's tough. And if they when they get it down, 91 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: they don't have it down yet. When they get it down, 92 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be very interesting to watch it from 93 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: the end zone because the play action passes are right 94 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: off of those run plays. It's the exact same look. 95 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: It's not like just a token play action pass just 96 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: to do it from a timing or rhythm standpoint. It 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: is off of those play and the alignement of pulling 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: and all the actions going on. It's a it's an 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: identical snapshot photo up until the mesh point of the football. 100 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: So they are going to get a lot of chunk 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: plays out of this. Uh this offensive football team, and 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: and really a big, big reason for success in those 103 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: play actions or pressed the digitation by the quarterback having 104 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: that good play action stuff. Sam Weich was the best 105 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: at it. His hands were huge, he'd hide the football 106 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: and he was a magician. And he was a magician, 107 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: no question. And he was a magician with that football. 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: But all the guys he coached, Joe Montana, Kenny Anderson, 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys were really good with play action passing. 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: And that's the biggest part of it is the quarterback 111 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: hard fake and a Boomer Scienson. He coach Boomer Siensen 112 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: hard fake with the play action hide the football. That's 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: a big key to the success. So Andy Dalton had 114 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: some good ones out there, and he's got to keep 115 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: continue to work on that because that's going to be 116 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: his best friend. I'm glad you brought that up because 117 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: I wrote down the first five plays that they ran. 118 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: First play play action bootleg to the right, two receivers 119 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: going out in that direction. Use Zama or Alex Erickson. 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: He passed ericson for a nice game. Second play play 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: action deep ball Josh Maloney was incomplete, but that was 122 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the play. Third play play action role to the right screen, 123 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: back to the left. Fourth play play action to the right, 124 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: deep shot down the left sideline for John Ross fifth 125 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: play run up the metal, big gaping hole set up 126 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: by what we had seen from the previous four plays exactly. 127 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes in this type of offense, you know people like, well, 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: the run game's going to set up play action. Play 129 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: action sets up the run two. I mean it's it's 130 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: a glove fit in the hand type of thing. It 131 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: really does. Is particularly if you can get you're in 132 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: situations where you're second and four, third and two where 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: you can run it or throw it. You know, you 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: don't want to be behind the chains if you stay 135 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: ahead of the chains offensively. Now you have the defense guessing, 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: big time guessing, and the quarterbacks that the Bengals have 137 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: on the roster are capable of getting out of pockets. 138 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: So not only the play action stuff will slow a 139 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: defensive lineman down. Changing the launch point slows the defensive 140 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: lineman down. You don't want to let them get outside 141 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: of your contain. You have to be, you know, real 142 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: careful to make sure that you change your course or 143 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: your path of pass rush to try to contain the 144 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: quarterback or have somebody out there containing the quarterback. Because 145 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: it gives him a two way go. You know, he 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: can tuck it and pick up yards running the football. 147 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: If there's no pass rush out there and coverage is good, 148 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: you can you know, not jeopardize putting the ball in danger, 149 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: tuck it and run and then slide get out of bounds, 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: do those kinds of things. So it's going to be interesting. 151 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: I think this. I like the concept of what they're 152 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: trying to get to. They haven't gotten to it yet, 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: but I think when they do, and they have all 154 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: their weapons. And that's the thing too, because you know, 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: everybody is trying to learn it and absorb it and 156 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: the only way you do it is reps. So it's 157 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: unfortunate that a Joe Mixon, you know, Tyler Eiffort, aren't 158 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: getting those reps with Andy. And that's why these guys 159 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that don't show up at these OTAs, and it is 160 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: voluntary and they're not getting the reps with their teammates, 161 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: not getting the reps with the quarterback. I think that's 162 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: that's too bad. I think I think that's a tough dynamic, 163 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: particularly if they're working with a new quarterback. These guys 164 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: aren't working with a new quarterback, but they're working with 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: a new offense. These other guys that are signing places 166 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: and not going new quarterback, new coach, new system, knew everything. 167 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: So in this case, the new coach, new system, same quarterback, 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: which you want. You'd like to get those reps because 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: everybody is working now in the process of taking a 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: step one, step two, step three and assimilating that offense. 171 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Whether it be you know, situational football, red zone, third down, 172 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: that's something they'll they'll get into third down, fourth down, 173 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: clock management. All those kind of things are going to 174 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: be big. We talked a lot about the offensive line 175 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: last week, and they lined up the same way today. 176 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: Jonah Williams had left tackle, Corty Glenn left guard, Belly 177 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Price at center, John Miller at right guard, Bobby Hart 178 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: at right tackle. Let's turn over and look at the 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: defensive line. That's a group that's got some really talented players. 180 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Geno Atkins first and foremost, Carlos Dunlap, Carl Lawson assuming 181 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: he comes back one hundred percent this year. And yet 182 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: despite those names and again lost in has hurt last year. 183 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: It was a unit that was not dominant last year. 184 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: And to me at least, it's a group that should 185 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: play better than it played. I agree with you. They've 186 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: got talent to be much better than they were. And 187 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: I think lou Anna Ruma was doing a good job 188 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: of putting it together and I think I think the 189 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: coaches are doing a good job of communicating his message 190 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: and they're doing it, you know, with guys that played 191 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: in the league, like in Easton. Easton is having a 192 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: major impact, I think on the defensive line, and I 193 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: agree with you, Dan, I think if if the Bengals 194 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: get consistent play out of their offensive line, defensive line, 195 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: and linebackers, they're going to be pretty good defensive line 196 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: and linebackers. That's two thirds of the defense right there, 197 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: and they were having issues, and then of course when 198 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: they're having issues, the secondary is going to have a 199 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: tremendous amount issues. I think the secondary is good enough 200 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: to play at a high level if the front seven 201 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: gives them an opportunity. And I think that they're doing 202 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: a pretty good job of handling this offense right now 203 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: as they're going through the learning curve and coverage and 204 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: they're hustling their run to the football. There's very few 205 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: in to my either's you know, there's always going to 206 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: be assignment mistakes, but it's not a plague of assignment mistakes. 207 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: So you know that the guys are into it. They've 208 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: bought in there in the right spirit and the right 209 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: frame of mind. They're learning it. So I'm encouraged by it. 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: And the thing that you can always tell Dan about 211 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: players you mentioned, you know a couple of the offensive 212 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: lineman Corty glenn and John Miller at the guard position. 213 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: Unsolicited defensive players have said, Quarty glenn Man is so big, 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: he's going to be a tough, tough matchup at guard. 215 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: John Miller powerful, strong dude. So pads aren't on yet, 216 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: but they're still the best recommendation you can get, or 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: probably the most trustworthy evaluation is a teammate, a player 218 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: going against a guy in practice or a guy that 219 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: works against him in games, and those kind of things. 220 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: The other one sample, multiple defensive players have come up 221 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: to me tight ends a football player, and when you 222 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: look at sample, it's like, Okay, he's not like a 223 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: world class athlete rookie mini camp, he didn't exhibit world 224 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: class athletic ability, but when he got into football, he's 225 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: a football player, and he's a football player in this 226 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: OTAs with the veteran players. He is going to make 227 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: a lot of plays. He is. I think he's I 228 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: think he's fooling. I think he's faster than people think 229 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: he is. I think he's got functional football speed and 230 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see and it was, it was. It 231 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: was good to my years to hear unsolicited teammates on 232 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. Tight end play lap 233 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: tight ends. He's got some He's got some talent. He's 234 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: a football player. That's the biggest compliment you can make, 235 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: because a one football played to another. You know, it's 236 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: not track and field. You know it's football. And I 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: think the kid's going to be a good player. I 238 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: was not able to attend the rookie mini camp. It 239 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: sounded like the quarterback they drafted in the fourth round, 240 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: Ryan Finlay struggled somewhat that weekend last Monday, so so 241 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: early today. He threw a bad interception where he overthrew 242 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: his target and went right into the hands of Demitrius Cox. 243 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Then they got to those red zone drills and he 244 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: started to look better. Yeah, And I think I think 245 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: with him usually, I mean, the biggest adjustment for any 246 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: at any position is the quarterback position, because I mean 247 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: it's it's like it's rush are you know out there? 248 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes you think he might see things. I mean they 249 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: were doing some zone blitz stuff today. Defensively, early in practice, 250 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I saw Sam Hubbard dropping off, you know, into coverage 251 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: instead of pass rushing. And he's athletic enough, as we know, 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: he played safety in high school, played linebacker in college 253 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: before he moved to defensive linemens, So he's athletic enough 254 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: to do those kind of things. And you know, you 255 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: see it some in college, but you just don't see 256 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: it as much as as big a variation of scheme 257 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: as you might see in the NFL. With the talented 258 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: With the talent level of player that you see in 259 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: the NFL, you'll hear rookie players say it all the time. 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, I might have played against three guys last year. 261 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: They're as good as these guys at this level. And 262 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: this is every day, this is every day of practice, 263 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: every game. You know you're gonna be tested both mentally 264 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: and physically. And Ryan Finley's in that boat for sure. 265 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, one of their first plays of 266 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: the day was a deep ball down the left sideline 267 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: for John Ross, he caught at least one touchdown pass 268 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: and the red zone drills they gave it to him 269 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: on a reverse. Do you see his confidence growing? Can 270 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: you tell that from watching him in OTAs? I do 271 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: see it growing. And Andy is definitely they weren't on 272 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: the same page and early in the red zone drills 273 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: and the ball was incomplete when it shouldn't have been. 274 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: And Andy immediately went over to John Ross to make 275 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: sure or that, UM tell him what he saw and 276 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: what he thought he should have done and explain it 277 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: to John. So John, they you know, they do get 278 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: on the same page. Um. Yeah, I think I think 279 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: They're going to try to uh incorporate John Ross's skill 280 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: set into this offense. I mean he's he's just what 281 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the doctor ordered in terms of if you, you know, 282 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: put into a computer some some talent, some physical abilities 283 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: that you'd like to have at the receiver position in 284 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: this type of scheme. John Ross fits that bill. I mean, 285 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: when that guy goes in motion for a jet sweep, 286 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: you have to honor it. But if you give him 287 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: the football and you're you're lagging behind, you know, your 288 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: your guests, and he can he can scorch you. Um, 289 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: and you can you can run routes off of that 290 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: jet sweep fake Jeff sweep action as well. And I 291 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: mean he's definitely got got talent, but I think he's 292 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: still thinking too much. Uh. Tyler Boyd has said that. 293 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd went on record saying that, you know, John 294 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Ross is still uh, instead of you know, fluidly reacting 295 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: to coverages, he's stinking a little bit too much. That 296 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: indicates that four to two speed, you know, when you're thinking, 297 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: when you're unsure an athlete, it's not confident, affects the 298 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: functional football speed. And I think he's still fighting through 299 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: that phase of it. But he I think they're looking 300 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: to him to make a lot of big place for 301 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: this football team this season. It's late May. This is 302 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: week two of the OTAs. They have three weeks of 303 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: these OTAs a total of ten practices. What were you 304 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: doing in late May in your playing career. Yeah, we 305 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: only had one one mandatory you know, camp was right 306 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: after draft, rookies and veterans would get together. The rookies 307 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: would have like an orientation day and then get together 308 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: with the with the veterans for a mini camp. And really, 309 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean my entire career. I had an offseason job. 310 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: You know, it was my first three years salary twenty 311 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: six thousand and twenty nine thousand and thirty three thousand. 312 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, a gold mine. But but and 313 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to do something. You know, I was married 314 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: and already had kids, so you know, I wanted to 315 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: do something to prepare myself for life after football, not 316 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: knowing when that life was going to start. One was 317 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: gonna end and one was going to start. So every 318 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: off season I had a job to at least eliminate 319 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: vocations or to see if I was, you know, choosing 320 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: the right path. Maybe to make sure that when I 321 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: was done playing football that I'd be in the right arena. 322 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: So had offseason jobs. And then would you know, make 323 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: sure that at lunchtime I was doing my workouts. If 324 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I took a two hour lunch or an hour and 325 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: a half or something to make up to have a 326 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: strong workout down in Spinny Field, I'd either come in 327 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: earlier stay late, you know, just on the off season job. 328 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: So did a bunch of different things. Worked in public 329 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: relations at the Savings and Loan. I worked with Bob 330 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: Johnson and Imperiallydhess when he bought that selling that you know, 331 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: substitute top one year, did a whole bunch of different 332 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: things and eliminated some vocations pretty quickly. What was the 333 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: worst off season gig and you're playing days, I'd have 334 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: to say substitute teaching, because you know, it's like when 335 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: when the when the teacher's out, let's take advantage of 336 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: the situation. You know, it's like you're a babysitter, you know. Yeah, 337 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: but I and I would try to lay the law 338 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: down a little bit. And I mean the other teachers 339 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: are like, oh no, yeah, it's great, you're doing a 340 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: great job. But I always felt like, you know, I 341 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: try to follow along with the teacher's lesson planning. You know, 342 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: I didn't want the kids to fall behind her if 343 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: I had the same class for three days and um, 344 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But at my respect 345 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: level for the teaching profession dramatically increased. I didn't really 346 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: have behavioral problems or anything in the class. I think 347 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: probably because they you know, I don't want to mess 348 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: around with this uh, with this guy potentially, But I 349 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: did have one in excuse me, one instance that though 350 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: at a vocational school. Um and uh, the principle. I 351 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: go into the school and he goes, you've got the pit. 352 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: I said, oh, I know what the pit is. It's 353 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: where when kids get kicked out of class, they had 354 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: to go signing at the pit and find something to do. 355 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what you want me to do? All 356 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: that I can make a better contribution than that. No, No, 357 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: you're perfect for the pit. And so two periods go by, 358 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there reading books and I'm stealing money. 359 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: Third period, this kid shows up, big kid, and I 360 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: slid a piece of paper. I said, put your name, 361 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: clash you get kicked out of and reason and sit 362 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: down and open a book and find something to do. 363 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: F you drops it off. So I'm like, maybe you 364 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: didn't hear me. So I get up from my seat 365 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: and slide the thing over again. And I am walking 366 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: around the table and the last thing the principal said 367 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: to me is don't touch any of the kids. I'm 368 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: not going to touch any of these kids. You know 369 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: there's no way I wouldn't. Do you think I'm stupid. 370 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Kid swings at me and I stepped back and I 371 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: drill him, drop him. I hit him right in the 372 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: chest with my fist goes up under his chest and 373 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: his solar plexus. I hear all the air come out 374 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: of him. He goes down to his knees. He's like yeah. 375 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: He gets up and sits down and signs in. I 376 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: didn't hear a thing, not a peep out of him, 377 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: So then you know, I at the end of the day, 378 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: there were two or three other kids signed at the 379 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: end of the day that the Prince was like, any 380 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: promise that first name right there? He was what happened 381 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: as well, I'm gonna be honest with you. I had 382 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: to drop He goes, drop him. What do you mean 383 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: drop him? That's what he took a swing at me, 384 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: And I responded, you know, self defense, and he goes, really, 385 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: he goes, that's your story. I said, yeah, that is 386 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: my story. It's the truth. So but I never the 387 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: principal never heard anything from him. I never did. I 388 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: went home, and of course Lynn wasn't happy you did. 389 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: What He's gonna own us, But I think I think 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: it was the first time it was ever really maybe 391 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: discipline in his life. I don't know him a favorite. Yeah, 392 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: when he sat down, hushed up, and I never heard 393 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: a peep out him the rest of the time, but 394 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the whole time and thinking, oh man, do I say 395 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: something this kid or just let it ride out decided 396 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: to just let it ride. Why decision? Yeah for sure. 397 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I never had a 398 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: substitute teacher that resembled Dave Lapham. We've learned quite a 399 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: bit about Jonah Williams since the Bengal selected him with 400 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: the eleventh overall pick in this year's draft, but on 401 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: this episode of the pod, you're about to get a 402 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: unique perspective on the twenty one year old offensive linemen. 403 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: One of his teammates at Fulsome High School in northern 404 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: California is now the starting tight end for the University 405 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati Bearcats, Josiah Deguara. I spoke to Josiah over 406 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: the phone and we started with his first memories of 407 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: meeting Jonah after the Williams family moved to California from Georgia. 408 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean, first thing you think when you see him 409 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: is this is a freaking nature. I mean he was. 410 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: I mean he does. He doesn't look like he didn't 411 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: look like he does now, I mean he was still 412 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: he saw to be development he was, you know, six 413 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: to five six six, just a massive, massive dude for 414 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: only being sixteen years old. And that's on. And I've 415 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: read some stories in your hometown paper about him at practice, 416 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, just destroying guys stuff like that. What do 417 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: you remember whoever lined up against them? They weren't They 418 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: weren't very happy at that point. He was until by 419 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: a senior high head that he just demolished anybody that 420 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: was on his way. Um, not to obviously continued until that, 421 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: so that he's just he's just a beast in every 422 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: sense of the word. Describe him as a person, super 423 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: humble guy. I mean, you wouldn't even know who, like, 424 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: who he is or what he does besides the fact 425 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: that he's just huge. You know, you would you would 426 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: never know that. Um, he said three you know, two 427 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: time All American. You would never know any of that. 428 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: From the time he stepped on into folsom I mean 429 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: he was just there to work. Um, he put his 430 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: head down and grind. You know, he's quiet guy at first, 431 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: but when he gets to know, super funny, awesome dude. Um. 432 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean first, first one in, last one 433 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: out kind of guy, last one out the building. The 434 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: type of dude, um just put his head down and 435 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: grind him and would always stayed humble. You guys were 436 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: on one of the great high school teams in California history. 437 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: How important was he to the success? Oh? Huge? I 438 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: mean we had a pretty dominant team um before before 439 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: he got there, and then when he got there, he 440 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: just took our whole offense and defense for that matter, 441 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: to the next level. Whenever he got in, he just 442 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: dominated the game. What's your best Jonah Williams story that 443 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: you can share? Man, So my senior year, he and 444 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: him tad for our for our football coach together. Um, 445 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: so like an hour of the day, we'd always be together. Um. 446 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: This is when he was trying to like put on 447 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: muscle and gain a lot of weight because he was still, 448 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: um you know a little bit smaller than he wanted. 449 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: And every day I just remember he had this huge 450 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: bag of food. Um, it was like a freezer bag. 451 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, it was a huge freezer bag of food, 452 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: just full with sandwiches, protein bars, um, being much anything 453 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: you can imagine. Um. And out of every story of Jonah, 454 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: I think that's one that I distinctively your member just 455 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: end bringing that bag of fade to school every day 456 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: and just eating it like it was nothing. Could Yeah, 457 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: he could shot down my thanks. Do you see tight 458 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: end Josiah Deguara who had thirty eight catches last year, 459 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: including five for touchdowns, and should be one of the 460 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: top tight ends in the American Athletic Conference this season. 461 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Now time for this week's fun Facts interview as we 462 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: get to know one of the newcomers on the Bengals 463 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: coaching staff. Time for some fun facts for the Bengals 464 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Lou and A Rumo from Staaten Island, New York, 465 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: one of the five boroughs of New York City, tell 466 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: us a little bit about growing up on Staaten Island, 467 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: just a short ferry ride from the Big Apple. It 468 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: was great. I wouldn't want to grow up in any 469 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: other place in the country. Obviously I'm biased, but I 470 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: have perfected the art of eating pizza. I can eat 471 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: pizza every day. I mean, it's kind of like when 472 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: I went to coach at Harvard up in Massachusetts, as 473 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: a Dunkin Donuts on every corner every two hundred yards. 474 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: It feels like well in Stunt Island, as a pizza 475 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: reay every block or so and you get to try 476 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: it every day. So it is a great place, great people. 477 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I love going back to visit. It's a terrific place. 478 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: And it's a New Yorker. I'm guessing you must fold 479 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: your pizza. Yeah, there's no other way to eat it. 480 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: What's your folks do for a living? So my mom 481 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: was a secretary at Wagner College for forever thirty plus years. 482 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: My dad was a elementary school principal New York City 483 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: public school system for for a long long time. So 484 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: he coached um JV basketball when I was young, So 485 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: I got kind of the coaching. Uh I guess bug 486 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: back then. But but yeah, so high school coach and administrator. 487 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: He was a college athlete, correct, Yeah, my dad was 488 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: a good basketball player. Played at Wagner College, the Division 489 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: one back then. Played uh really really good competition back 490 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: then with NYU and those teams being great, and uh 491 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: he was a point guard and um, you know, he 492 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: could shoot it. He still he still beats me and 493 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: my sons every time we played twenty one or something. 494 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: He could still shoot the rock. So that could mean 495 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: you're not very good. Yeah, yeah, I could shoot a little, 496 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: but he shoots it better. We're doing fun Facts with 497 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: lou Anna Rumo. So you mentioned that your mom worked 498 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: at Wagner, your dad played sports at Wagner, and you 499 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: went to Wagner. Describe your college football experience. Mine was 500 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: shortened brief for me as a as a player, you know, 501 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: once I got there, played just that first semester or 502 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: half of the semester or whatever it wasn't remember, but 503 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: then got quickly into coaching, and you know, I found 504 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: out that the playing part stopped for me basically in 505 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: high school and then just moved on to coaching right away. 506 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: And I jumped right in and at my old high school, 507 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: and I was able to go school during the day 508 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: and go help those guys out in the afternoon. You 509 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: were the JV head coach as a college student, correct, 510 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I was, So, I think there was about six months 511 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: difference between There wasn't a whole lot of difference between 512 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: me and the and the guys, but we had fun 513 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: and won some games, and I really really figured out 514 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do kind of early in my 515 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: life that this was something that you know, I really 516 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: got the bug for then. So I was I was 517 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: all in, do you know why what it is? About 518 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: the profession that captivated you from such an early age. 519 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just you know, you're I think 520 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: it's like the players now when you talk to them 521 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: about potentially retiring or getting away from the game, you 522 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: just meet, you miss being around the guy. So I 523 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: wasn't playing anymore. I still love the game. It was 524 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: just the detail of trying to figure out an opponent 525 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: and then you know, implement it with the players. And 526 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just liked it right away and 527 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of haven't stopped since we're doing fun facts with 528 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: lou Anna Rumo. Like all coaches, you've made several stops 529 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: on your journey to the NFL. And you mentioned you 530 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: spent time at Harvard. Five years at Harvard. In fact, 531 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: is coaching at Harvard different from anywhere else you've ever coached, 532 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: just because of the caliber of students. Well, some of 533 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: those guys, if you'd ask them, and I'm friends with 534 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: most of them today. But sometimes the book smart doesn't 535 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: apply to the football field, and I would I would 536 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: make numerous references to that in a very colorful way 537 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: back when I was a youngster. And uh, but no, 538 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: they're great guys, you know, and and some of them 539 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: are doing you know, as you can imagine doing so 540 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: well these days. But uh, you know, I would say 541 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 1: all the time in the meeting room and say, hey, 542 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: this isn't rocket science, and like one of the one 543 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: of the guys raised his hand said, yeah, coach, I 544 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: am in rocket science. And it's not. Okay, Well then 545 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: do it right, you know. So it's it's funny, but no, 546 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: it was great, great experience. Would we recognize the name 547 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: of anybody you coached who has become a CEO or 548 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: a politician or anything like that. I there's probably not 549 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: that in that realm. But there's there's been a handful 550 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: of pro football players. Matt Burke the center for the 551 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: Ravens all those years, and uh, you know, Isaiah Kazvinski 552 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: played tight end and obviously fits I just missed him. Um, 553 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: but there's been a few players. And then the guys 554 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: that are CEOs and that nobody off the top of 555 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: my head that uh, but they're out there. I just 556 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: don't know which ones they're running right now. Eventually, I'm 557 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: sure we'll recognize some of the guys you coached. Your 558 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: longest college stop was eight years at Purdue, so you've 559 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: got an extended taste of life in the Midwest. What 560 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: did you think? Oh, I loved it. You know, it 561 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: was funny. We you know, my first time away from 562 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: the East Coast, and you know, my family sees that 563 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: as home. Today. You talk to my kids, you know, 564 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: we want to go back to Indiana. You know, we 565 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: want to go see our friends. And so it's great. 566 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: I mean, the people are terrific, and um, it's just 567 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: it's just different, totally different from the from the from 568 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: the Northeast. And I realized I was back when I 569 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: made my journey from here in Cincinnati to Columbus on 570 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: a pro day a couple months ago, whenever the heck 571 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: it was and I saw corn fields on my left 572 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: and corn fields on my right, I knew exactly where 573 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I was. Your first NFL job was with the Miami Dolphins. 574 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: Can you describe what it was like to get that offer? 575 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: After you've been uh j V high school head coach, 576 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: now you got the opportunity to coach at the highest level. Yeah, 577 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean I spent my time. I feel like I 578 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: say this all the time. I came up the right 579 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: way because I coached at every level. I coached in 580 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: high school. I coached at Division three, I coached one 581 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: Double A, and I coached major college football and then 582 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to the NFL. So you kind of learn. You learn 583 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: more what not to do than what to do, and 584 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: through your experiences of hey, I've already seen this work 585 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: or that not work. And to me, I would take 586 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: no other path than the one I did because at 587 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: the end of the days is about teaching and coaching 588 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: the guys, and you learn you got to implement. I 589 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: was at Marshall, I was at Harvard and two different 590 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: type kids, you know, I was at like I said, 591 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Perdue, and you just learn how to teach. 592 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's different and you you find what reaches each individual player. 593 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Or visiting the lou Anna Rumo on the Dolphins staff, 594 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: you got to know Zach Taylor. What were your initial 595 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: impressions of him? Great? You know, Zach and I would 596 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: get together all the time, you know, just about Hey, 597 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: what's this offense trying to run here? And I would 598 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: go down to his office and asked him about particular routes. 599 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: He would do the same with me on defense and hey, 600 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: what's the defense trying to accomplish here? And so we 601 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of hit it off right away and been kind 602 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: of friends ever since. You were with the Dolphins. When 603 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: the team was featured on Hard Knocks, did you have 604 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks moment? I think I did. It wasn't 605 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: too bad. Those guys are great. The NFL film guys 606 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: are tremendous. You don't even know they're there half the time, 607 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: but there are cameras and microphones everywhere, so you got 608 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to be conscious. But you know, I didn't have anything 609 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: too bad. No, let me let me rephrase that. I 610 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: really didn't. I really didn't have to rethink in it. No, 611 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: you spent last year coaching with the New York Giants. 612 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: Was it surreal to go to work every day so 613 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: close to where you grew up? And I was a 614 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: Giant fan growing up, So it was the first time 615 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: I got there, and you know, I went to visit 616 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: and walk by the trophies and and LT's jersey and 617 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: Phil said, all those guys. When I was a kid, 618 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: that was you know, that was my team, and so yeah, 619 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: I was great. And then on Saturdays a lot of 620 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: the alumni would come by and I'd be I know him, 621 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: I know him, I know him, and um, it's just 622 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: such a great, great organization and great place, um, you know, 623 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: and it was it was unbelievable to be there. All right, 624 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: A few random things to wrap this up. Your happiest 625 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: moment as a sports fan was anytime the Yankees beat 626 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. Um that um, I would have to say, 627 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember. The ending wasn't great, But this time 628 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: of the year was a spring of like, uh, I 629 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: don't remember late eighties or early nineties when the Rangers 630 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: were in the Stanley Cup and the Knicks were in 631 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: the NBA finals. Um, and it was when the OJ 632 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: thing happened. So whatever spring that was, what every year 633 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that was, I don't remember off the top of my head. 634 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: There was like three or four Game sevens throughout that run. 635 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: So every night we would go home or after this 636 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: whenever the heck it was, we would get together with 637 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: the guys and we were watching like the most meaningful 638 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: games that you've you know, when is that ever gonna 639 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: happen again? Two of your favorite teams are going to 640 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: Game sevens and you're battle and it was unbelievable. I 641 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: still remember vividly. I was leaving King's Point, where I 642 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: was working. I was driving home on the Bell Parkway 643 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: in traffic, of course, and Mike and the Mad Dog 644 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: were on the radio and the Knicks were down four 645 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: to two. Excuse me, they couldn't have been four to two. 646 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: I think they were down three two to the Pacers 647 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: and they were playing in Indy and all of them said, 648 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: this is it. You know, there's no way the Knicks 649 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: are going to pull it off. And they came back 650 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: and won both games and went on to the finals. 651 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: So it was just it was unbelievable. I love it. 652 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: Your all time favorite athlete in any sport is I 653 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: would probably say Derek Jeter, just because of who he 654 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: is and what he's done in his career and unscathed 655 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: through the media for twenty years, and it's it's almost 656 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: impossible what he accomplished in all of his achievements, and 657 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: both on and off the field. He also dated nothing 658 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: but tens, which is I consider his greatest achievement. Last 659 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: fun fact, last fun fact for lou Anna Rumo, of 660 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: all the tourist attractions in New York City, which one 661 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: is your favorite? I think, unfortunately, I think the one 662 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: that everybody needs to go see is the nine to 663 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: eleven Memorial I lost a few friends and buddies that 664 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: were firefighters that day, And not that it's my favorite. 665 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: It's just as I would say the pizza places is 666 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: my favorite. But that's something that everybody, if they ever 667 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: go to New York, they need to take the time 668 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: and go do it because it really gives you an 669 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: understanding of what happened and those poor people that died 670 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: that day. It kind of shakes you up. And can 671 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: you actually go through the museum. You can hear the 672 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: terrorists voice. They have it on the voice recorder saying, 673 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, blump whatever they said. But it gets you, 674 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, I would advise everybody to do that. The 675 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: Bengals went as a team a few years ago before 676 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: they played the Jets, which is really cool. It's very 677 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: to me, one of the most. Like I said, it'll 678 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: bring you, you know, to realize how lucky we are. 679 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: You've got a meeting. I appreciate your time. Look forward 680 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: to watching your defense play this year. Same here. Thanks 681 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: very much, appreciate it. And that's going to do it 682 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: for this week's podcast. If you haven't done so already, 683 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, stitch your Google Play 684 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: Spotify or pod Bean and if you have a minute, 685 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: give it a rating or leave a comment. Your feedback 686 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: has been very helpful in five star ratings help more 687 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thanks 688 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: for listening to the Bengals Booth podcast