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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke. Good It's it's been good days.

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Speaker 1: It's about to get even better. Man, we have the

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Speaker 1: legendary ice Cube in the building today. You appreciate you, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the man? Just you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: just trying to track you down and you know you're busy.

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Speaker 1: Man's man, We appreciate your time. Obviously a very difficult

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Speaker 1: time for our country, are the world? What is what's

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Speaker 1: something you took from? You know, same ship, different toilets.

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Speaker 1: It's ugly, you know when you know all the deck

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Speaker 1: is stacked against you and and you make it known

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Speaker 1: and you pointed out and you make your case and

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Speaker 1: nothing changes because you know, same people that that got

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Speaker 1: you in this position is the same people that you

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Speaker 1: need to make the changes. So it's uh, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I said, same ship, different toilets,

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Speaker 1: And I know it's extensive, but kind of give us

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Speaker 1: the cliff notes with your contract with Black America and

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Speaker 1: what what what's that really about? Well, it's just about

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Speaker 1: you know, after um, you know, a lot of the protests,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were screaming, really, what needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. There's a lot that need to be done.

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Speaker 1: And I was, you know, just I couldn't find the

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Speaker 1: document that really said, hey, these are all the problems

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Speaker 1: right now, and here's some suggestions to move us forward.

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Speaker 1: So I said, well, let's you know, yeah, I've tried

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Speaker 1: to find the smartest people I know, and UH said,

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Speaker 1: let's create this document where the average Joe, anybody can

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Speaker 1: look at this and see the wide range of problems

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Speaker 1: that need to be solved and get in when you

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Speaker 1: fit in. You know, if you feel like you can

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Speaker 1: do something on uh, police brutality, jump in there. You

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Speaker 1: feel like you could do some of voting rights, jump

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Speaker 1: in there, uh banking, venture capitalists, Um, you could just

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Speaker 1: jump in where you fit in, because these are the

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Speaker 1: wide range of problems. So that was really what the

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Speaker 1: Contract with Black America was about. It's just a foundation.

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Speaker 1: It's just forever growing document that you know today, if

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Speaker 1: you came with a better idea for section four, we

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Speaker 1: would we were plug it in and fill it in

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Speaker 1: because we want the experts to step up and help

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Speaker 1: us perfect this document. So you know, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: something that anybody can look at, college kid, grown folks,

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Speaker 1: anybody and say, oh, this is why we're in this position.

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Speaker 1: It's not just us. It's not just the same own

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Speaker 1: narrative that you know, black people can't handle our own affairs,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's just not true. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's systematic. And you know, you would have to be

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Speaker 1: blind not to know that since you came on the scene,

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Speaker 1: something you've always been about is pro your people. That's

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Speaker 1: what you've stood for from day one. So when the

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Speaker 1: stuff around the election happened with the Trump team the

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Speaker 1: Biden team and you took a lot of heat, it

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Speaker 1: bothered me because, like I said, I've been a Fannie

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Speaker 1: for since I was young, and the one thing that

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Speaker 1: stands out to me the most is you've always been

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Speaker 1: for the people. So when that kind of ship hit

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Speaker 1: the airwave and the way social media plays with it

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Speaker 1: and and does what they do, how did that make

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Speaker 1: you feeling? And what actually happened? I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: kind of scary when your history don't matter. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no matter how long you've been a stand

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Speaker 1: up dude, you know, the minute somebody see something you

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Speaker 1: don't like, or you say something somebody don't like, you know,

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Speaker 1: they throw your away. But I wasn't really worried about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I knew that once I studied the problem

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Speaker 1: that black people are upon in this game. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're political football, and people use our emotions and our

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Speaker 1: uh passion are our fight for justice to get other

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Speaker 1: issues and things solved and and not necessarily our issues

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Speaker 1: and our things, but it's always piggybacked or our movements

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Speaker 1: are hijacked in ways. So knowing that, I know that

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Speaker 1: neither party is the answer totally. It's a problem that

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Speaker 1: both parties ate it, and it's a problem that both

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Speaker 1: parties gotta solved. You won't. You know, it's not fair

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Speaker 1: it's not fair to us. You know, this is a

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't gonna let that stop me. You know

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Speaker 1: that's the Democrat problem to deal with that, and it's

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Speaker 1: just not true. No matter who's the president, we're still

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Speaker 1: in the same position. So it's it's a thing where

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Speaker 1: you know, what I would want us to do as

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Speaker 1: a people is to become independent, not to vote independent,

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Speaker 1: but to hold our vote and say, okay, Democratic X

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Speaker 1: do some for it, you get it, or Republican acts

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Speaker 1: do some for it. You get it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this whole you know, the way we've been going is

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Speaker 1: to the Jay Z situation when everyone jumped on him

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Speaker 1: if you have a seat at the table, you have

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Speaker 1: an actual opportunity to affect the outcome, and no matter

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Speaker 1: what situation where like you said, your track record speaks

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Speaker 1: for ourselves. So whether whatever situation it is, you're for

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Speaker 1: us and you have a voice in the seat at

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Speaker 1: the table. So, like I said to me, that bothered me.

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Speaker 1: I commend you for a kind of standing because sometimes

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Speaker 1: standing for us right or or standing on a strong

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Speaker 1: opinion isn't the popular and it ain't easy. But you've

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Speaker 1: in dealing with the kind of negativity and hatred your

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Speaker 1: whole life, so you're pro at it. But that we

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Speaker 1: just want to say we definitely respect you your pace

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Speaker 1: because when you and I talked about your playing with

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Speaker 1: to continue push forward with the mission. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's something you can use to this day. You mean,

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Speaker 1: anybody can go take a look at it and figure out,

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Speaker 1: you know, from their vantage point or from there you know,

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Speaker 1: um angle how they can you know, try to solve

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Speaker 1: a it's a complex problem that that sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: creates its own weather. You know, it's like it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a bad situation. Pivoting UM lifelong Laker fan,

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Speaker 1: UH big big showtime Laker fan, UM champion, Yeah man,

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Speaker 1: thank you, you know you made the year worth living

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Speaker 1: for real. You know, it's like, you know, until that happened,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, we don't need to play nothing,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We just need to focus

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Speaker 1: give people a little bit of relief, man, because you

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Speaker 1: know what, what what we've been doing is giving a

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Speaker 1: lot of energy to negativity, and the negativity has sucked

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Speaker 1: the negativity. And we gotta give way more energy to

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Speaker 1: positive things. And so you know, that's the reality of it.

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Speaker 1: Because whatever effect you gotta, um of reaction, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's it's like you you you gotta

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Speaker 1: make sure that you know one thing is gonna cause another,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So whatever you got that reaction,

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Speaker 1: I actually got a reaction. I get that ship right,

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Speaker 1: you know. I went to uh the l a Unified

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Speaker 1: to the beasts is making the be strong. Talk to

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Speaker 1: us about just when? When when did your journey with

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Speaker 1: a showtime Magic Johnson Laker fan. What do you mean

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Speaker 1: when did it start? It started from the womb, started

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Speaker 1: and it's like, when did it start? I don't understand

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Speaker 1: that question. I don't remember when I wasn't a Laker fan,

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know, seriously, like when I was

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Speaker 1: So you know a few months later he come give

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Speaker 1: What are something some of the things you remember from

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Speaker 1: that that showtime era and what it meant to the city.

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Speaker 1: Before Magic Johnson, it seemed like basketball was like a job.

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Speaker 1: It's like everybody was mad, it seemed like, and it

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Speaker 1: seemed like this dude brought in like the fun, the

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Speaker 1: like it felt like our street you know, I grew

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Speaker 1: so we had fun playing. So to see the Lakers

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Speaker 1: it just was electric. Man. You know, it just was

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Speaker 1: I was glued to that team. To me, it was

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Speaker 1: Fast forward into the kind of Kobe and Shock era.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, the next great run that the Lakers

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Speaker 1: they were able to capture five championships. They probably obviously

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Speaker 1: how amazing was it seeing day in day out Shock

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Speaker 1: and Kobe play for your team. I mean seeing them

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Speaker 1: people start kind of coming around. The Arabian Prince started

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00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: to hang. It was like, well Raby and Prince was

425
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: working really a lot with Uncle James Army, so he

426
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: was like you part of all stars to you know

427
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. Then uh yeller, the record crew

428
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: had broke up. Dre wasn't really men some with lines

429
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: on them one so Yellow came over with us and

430
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: and it was us. As soon as we did a record,

431
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I went off to school. We went to uh schooling

432
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: and Phoenix called p I T. Phoenix Institute of Technology,

433
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: and I go off to school. And then they had

434
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: shows because we had a hit record. But I couldn't

435
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: make it to all of them. So brands start coming

436
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: a ruck to cut you out. But what made you

437
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: leave your passion and go to school? Did you think

438
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna paying out ship? It was just a passion,

439
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: you know. We was like making tapes with all that

440
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: cussing on them was one thing, but making a record

441
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: with all that cussing on them, it was like, man,

442
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: nobody gonna I ain't gonna play this ship's We're not

443
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: about the big stars from this well, be neighborhood stars.

444
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: We have a couple of people knowing our records through

445
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: the neighborhood probably, But this ship is too hard. Who's

446
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna play this, you know what I'm saying. So we

447
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: just back then, you just figured it was too hard

448
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: for anybody to play but people in the neighborhood. So

449
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: but we was fine with that. We was like, if

450
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: we if we just stars and Compton, Watts, South Central, Inglewood,

451
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, sh we we got a better life

452
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: than we had before we were stars in Compton. And

453
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, so I was like, man, I need to

454
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: have something to fall back on because I ain't about

455
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to be a professional rapper, not rapping this ship right here.

456
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: So I went off to school and uh it started

457
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: blowing up while I was in school. I got right, well,

458
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: I got a certificate. It was only four years of

459
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: trade school. Yeah, it ain't a university. So yeah, I

460
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: got it. I stayed. I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna leave,

461
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: even dark wanted to every damn day. I was like, man,

462
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I started this ship, I'm gonna finish it. It's only

463
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: a year. And uh, but man, they would call me

464
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: from the road, nigga, are you crazy? What are you doing? Man?

465
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing homework by bad hang up cold be sitting

466
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: there saying, damn. I was so frustrated. One day I

467
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: tore up fund the police. I tore it up, through

468
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: it in the trash because I figured we wasn't gonna

469
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: do it in my homie Phoenix Field. Shout out to

470
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Phoenix Field. He was like, no, I didn't tear it

471
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: ab I bought it up. He pulled it out and

472
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: he flattened it back out and put it in my notebook.

473
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's too good. Yeah, how instrumental

474
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: was easy in all of this? Very instrumental, you know

475
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was, you know, putting up all

476
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: the money for the project, and he was saying, what

477
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: kind of records we need to make? Um, Liza wouldn't

478
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: let us make those kind of records. You know. He

479
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: was like, man, this thing was like nobody want to

480
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: hear about the nigger going to jail, you know what

481
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That was his biggest thing. And I'm like,

482
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, is he right? I don't know who knows.

483
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm young, I'm seventeen years old. And Easy was like, man,

484
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: these the kind of records I like, So I'm gonna

485
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: put my money behind him, and he's the kind of

486
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: records I'm gonna do. And that's just it. So once

487
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: he kind of let us do our thing, like we

488
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: was harnessed a little bit. Why wasn't in the reckord Crew?

489
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: But I did a record full line Zone and the

490
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew, And Lionzo was a good dude, you know

491
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. He he could have kicked us, you know,

492
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: we was getting on his nerves and ship. He could

493
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: have kicked us out and then leave my artists along,

494
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: like y'all kids, get away from here. But he was

495
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: cool and m and the Easy came around and just

496
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of let us do what we the hardcore hip

497
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: hop that we really wanted to do. So so he

498
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: was a genius and uh, you know, he was just

499
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: a genius at knowing what people wanted. Take us through

500
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: the creation and straight out of conflict. You know, it

501
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: was a fun record to make. Um. You know, you

502
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: had trades undivided attention, you know, to have him um

503
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: very hype and motivated. Is you know, one of the

504
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: best places the artists can find itself in is in

505
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: the in the room with Dre and he's hyped and

506
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: motivated about, you know, making this song what it's supposed

507
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: to be. It's gonna be worked. It ain't gonna be

508
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: just going in wrap the lyrics that come out. He's

509
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna get every phrase and every line perfect. And so

510
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: I knew, like, you know, if I just went to

511
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: the went to the studio with some ideas that you know,

512
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: he may pick a few of them implement him into

513
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: the song on and to see that process too, uh,

514
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: is incredible. So you know, I think it was a

515
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: lot of friendly competition because we was all trying to

516
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: out rhyme each other. DLC doesn't get a lot of

517
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: credit for writing a lot of those those verses. DLC

518
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: the doc he wrote a lot of that of easies

519
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: verses on not only his album, but but on on

520
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: n W A two. So um, we were just all

521
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: trying to I'll do each other, I'll rhyme each other,

522
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, And because Dred tell you straight up like

523
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: if you ain't dope, you're not going on the record.

524
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: And if you listen to the record, it's some records

525
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: that some people on some records and some people like

526
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: and he didn't come with it that day, so you

527
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: know he gave a chance to go back and try

528
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: to make it right. He would take your ass off

529
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: of that record. And that's the worst feeling in the world. Yeah,

530
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, what's it like working with with Dre? I mean,

531
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: you said you said he kind of took you under

532
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: his arm and kind of taught you as part of

533
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: the game. But what is it like? What? What kind

534
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: of mad scientists he is? He back there? Because I've

535
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: seen someone like Kobe working and with his brain and

536
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: how crazy he is with perfection and being great is

537
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: a similar with Dre. Yeah, you know, at some points

538
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: it's frustrating because you like, this ship is bananas and

539
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: it's not for him yet, you know what I mean,

540
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: it's like not quite and he's like what and you

541
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: don't understand. He like, what's wrong my ears? I mean,

542
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, going in the bathroom, you're shaking your ears out.

543
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: You're like, what, I don't hear? This ship is crazy?

544
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: And man, he'll shove that song. You'll never hear it again.

545
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: And you'd be like, man, what about the song we did?

546
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Oh fool? Or you know that you're still holding on

547
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: to that ship a hit now, right, No, man, we

548
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: gotta do something new, So you know that could be frustrate,

549
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: but when you let them go, they're usually right, you know.

550
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: So it's just I mean, how is it in the

551
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: kitchen with your mama when she cooking Thanksgiving dinner? You

552
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You stepped back and trying not

553
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: to get in the fucking way. You know what I'm saying?

554
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Like when do we eat? You know what I mean?

555
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: That's how it's like, you know, I mean, you're just

556
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: going smelling around, You're seeing you know, all the musicians there,

557
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: and you know it's gonna be hot. You just gotta

558
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: worry about your rhymes and your delivery. So luckily the

559
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Whobie from from uh Phoenix saved the police. Was there

560
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: any hesitation because at that time, like a song like

561
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: that is just absolutely unheard of. Was there hesitation by

562
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: anyone in the group? Once you present, it was everyone

563
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: really just like let's get this ship. It was hesitation.

564
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Drey he didn't want to do the song because he

565
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: had an ankle bracelet on and he was doing weekends

566
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: at the county. They was making me. I was like, man,

567
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: fucky man, ain't ain't. So I got to do with

568
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: these fucking shriffes man every weekend, and and I ain't

569
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: going in there with a song like this man, So no,

570
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: So I didn't think it was gonna get made until

571
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, months later, when he was, you know, doing

572
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: the record because we had did some solo records, you know,

573
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: before we did Dope Man, we did Gangster Gangster, so

574
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: he was gonna do another solo record, which was fun Police,

575
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, not that one. So um, after

576
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: all that blew over, after he you know kind of

577
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, had the case dismiss or whatever, he was

578
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: down to do it because he didn't have to see

579
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: him every weekend. I was. I wrote the song because

580
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I was mad he would have to go in on

581
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the weekends because he was our way into every party

582
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: in the city. You know, I'm like, we were Drake

583
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: n what's up? Go in? You know what? I'm here

584
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: without him? It was like, hey, who who all went?

585
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: We were? We was with Dre last week. It's like

586
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: it ain't it ain't last week. Don't get to the

587
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: back of the line. So our party and was on

588
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: e you know what I'm saying. We was house partying. Like, man,

589
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: this house party ship is dangerous. You know what I'm saying.

590
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: We need to go back to some clubs like skating

591
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: rinks and ship like that, you know, to get straight

592
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: up was getting in free straight out of Copter reached

593
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: platinum level? How big was that? It was incredible, you know,

594
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: just being able to you know, go across the country

595
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: see that see that record like move in a wave

596
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: of underground greatness. You know, it wasn't being blasted on

597
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: every station, but it was moving like it was. And

598
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: so we was proud, and we was proud that the

599
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: groups we had looked up to now was um engaging

600
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: with us on a whole another level. You know, before

601
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: it was like you know what's up? Now it was like, hey,

602
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: y'all that record got it's crazy, you know. So it

603
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: was that kind of interaction with you know, the llls

604
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: of the world, Slick Ricks, Chuck d Flav, Chuck Deeve

605
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: was always cool when we was just opening up. Chuck

606
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Deeve was cool with us. Button you know back there,

607
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm seeing to be like, that's your crew,

608
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: that our crew, and the mingling was only mingled with

609
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: who you knew and so it was cool too to

610
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: start getting some of the respect and um from the

611
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: groups that we respected. So that's what was amazing about

612
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: it because you could be in the game, you know,

613
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: y'all both NBA players and money is cool rings all right?

614
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: That respect everything. It means more than all that other ship.

615
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Combine that people don't look at you and be like

616
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: look at suck as you know what I'm saying. People

617
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: look at me like salute for the way you word,

618
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: where you play, um and and who you are. You know,

619
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: that's more important than anything, and a lot of people don't.

620
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't realize that. You know, you lose that respect

621
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: and it's hard to get it back. Can Can you

622
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: imagine the movement you guys had, how you have captivated

623
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: everyone if there was social media back then. Yeah, I

624
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: mean I think it would have been maybe too fast

625
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: to sustain itself, you know what I'm saying. It's like

626
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: I like this the organic way. I like having you know,

627
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: the underground find out about us and they and the

628
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: mainstream is nervous, scared. A few of them have enough

629
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: courage to bump it, you know what I mean. And

630
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I just liked that energy that you know, it organically

631
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: grew as a movement um and not overnight quick pop.

632
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because you can burn fast.

633
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean n w A already burnt hot. You know

634
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: it burnt hot. You know what I mean, it's about

635
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: it's about three years off, you know what I'm saying.

636
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: In this over maybe two years of red hot in

637
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: w A, you know what I mean, eight seven eighty

638
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: nine and it's over. It's crazy to think that, but

639
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: the impact you had in that small amount of time

640
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: was really changed to change the game completely. I mean,

641
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: it's the family, triers, the branches. It's the roots and

642
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the branches and you know, Dres Trunk and we all

643
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the branches off that. So you know that's what that's

644
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: the movement. You know, it's all. It's the whole West

645
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: Coast movement and inter twined together in a way as athletes.

646
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: You know, Jack and I never really kind of got

647
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: to appreciate what we've been through the experiences we had

648
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: until we were done. I mean, you're not done, but

649
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: you're not in it as heavy as you were in

650
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: the past. Do you ever just sit back and think,

651
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: like damn, like we did this? Yep, you know, but

652
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: I did that every step of the way, you know

653
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because I didn't want to. You know,

654
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I want to be present, you know what I'm saying.

655
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to be uh taking anything for granted,

656
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I always, you know,

657
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: just kind of reflect and give thanks, praise for all

658
00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: the blessings and and recognize them. No, in real time,

659
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: your relationship with Easy, your reconciliation before his passing. Uh,

660
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: talk to us about that and how important it was

661
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: to reconcile with him before his untimely passing. Man, it

662
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: was very you know, I feel very um, you know,

663
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: satisfied because I was able to do that. Um. I

664
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: think I would be you know, real restless, you know

665
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: about it a little more if if he didn't know

666
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: what he really meant to me. You know what I'm saying,

667
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: outside the bullshit. And I was able to express that

668
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: and we was able to truly get past it. You know,

669
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: sometimes you could say, you know, we squashed this ship, right,

670
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, we squashed

671
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: all right. You know, but you ain't about to mess

672
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: with dude ever again, you know what I'm saying. But

673
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: but sometimes you can squash it and he really be

674
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: squashed and you just continue like it never even happened. Almost,

675
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: And I knew that I was gonna reach out to him.

676
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna work with him if he wanted to,

677
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: if he could put n w A back together and

678
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: get Dre back on, I was gonna work with So,

679
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, I just knew that, you know, um we

680
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: really squashed our beef that day. So it was great

681
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: your departure for m w A. Obviously it was portraying

682
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: the film and you can read about it and we

683
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: know a better. But for those who don't, what was

684
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: your main reason behind leaving n w A. I just

685
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: felt like we wasn't uh the top priority of the management.

686
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a conflict of interests in

687
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that you Jerry Helen was so

688
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: close to um O owning and running ruthless with Easy,

689
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: that him being our manager, that he would look out

690
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: for Easy and not really in w A. So that

691
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: was one conflict. And he just proved me right on

692
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: how he was dealing with my business in particular, and

693
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: and he's straight up lied on my mom's you know

694
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying He's like, he lied on that for

695
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: no reason. There's no reason to lie. And so as

696
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: a youngster, all the other things you can kind of

697
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: get with. But but but one thing is the starter

698
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: breaks the camel's back. And that was it. And I'm

699
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: like a man that a lie to a dude about

700
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: his own mama, it's not a man to be trusted.

701
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I didn't trust him. I didn't sign the contracts when

702
00:43:53,719 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: they was presented, and they ostracized me. And what was

703
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: crazy is like once I left the group, they they

704
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: started to pay me, Like once I had a solo deal,

705
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: they started to pay me. And I didn't understand. And

706
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: I went to my manager, past Charbonnet, and I'm like,

707
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: why why they Yeah, why they're paying me now? It's

708
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: like they caused all this ship. We are fused in

709
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: the streets, We got records against against each other and

710
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: all kind of ship. Like, why they're paying me now?

711
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: He said, because you're right, and um, they don't want

712
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you to sue. And I said, why didn't just pay

713
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: me when I was in the group. He said, well,

714
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: they would have had to pay everybody else, so they

715
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: rather get you out the way and not have to

716
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: pay for other people, you know what I'm saying. So

717
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: some bullshit, dirty games, dirty America. As must wanted the

718
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: album cover, he says, you're the one you're most proud of.

719
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Why is that? That One's dope? Because it you know,

720
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: it was a new technique you know overland if you

721
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: really look at that, or RT work, and so I

722
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: was just proud of what it stood for, the symbolism

723
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: in it, like, uh, all of Los Angeles is behind me,

724
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and or all of

725
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the countries behind it. It It depends on which way I'm standing,

726
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: you know. You know, if I'm facing I'm facing the West.

727
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: I got the whole country behind me. So I like that, um,

728
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: because you know, that's how we gotta move to to

729
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: to get some kind of justice around here as a unit.

730
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: What goes through the process when you're creating album covers,

731
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: trying to have something that standard test of time, trying

732
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: to have something that when you see it, it explains

733
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: what's in it, like when you see the album that

734
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: the album represents the flavor of the record that's coming there.

735
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's all art and it has

736
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: to be treated like art or it's not, you know,

737
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, either it's art, either entertainment and music,

738
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: or it's not. It's street you know, regular, oh amateur ship.

739
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: You make your acting debut. Uh in Boys in the

740
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Hood something that I read that you didn't really want

741
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: to do. You didn't want to act? How important or

742
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: how thankful for you that you actually did and how

743
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: impactful do you feel that classic of Boys in the

744
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Hood is? You know, I didn't want to act because

745
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was qualified. I thought you had

746
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: to go to Juilliard or some kind of school on

747
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: like like the shoot don't find you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

748
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: I did, like go to one of them schools to

749
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: actually be an actor or you was just bullshit, And

750
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: so I was like, why you want me? You know

751
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, there's a lot of actors around.

752
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: With John Singleton, he was just an intern at at

753
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: the r Senior Hall show. You know, as I started,

754
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm back there, I'm near to see our Senio because

755
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I want to give him a piece of my mind

756
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: because he had the two live crew on the show

757
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have in w a O. I'm like, man,

758
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: the two live crew, that's some dirty ship. You know

759
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying here, Like how why you can't have

760
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: us on? But I never got a chance to talk

761
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: to him about it. Instead, I spent it all my

762
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: time talking to this little intern. Singleton was telling me

763
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: that I'm perfect for his movie, you know, and I'm

764
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: like your movie. He's like, yeah, man, I'm a junior.

765
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm a junior at USC, and I got a movie

766
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: that's perfect for you. Like, all right, all right, man.

767
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: I end up seeing him a year later. He runs

768
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: up to me. He said, remember me, And I'm like no,

769
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: he said, are said the Hall Show? Remember the movie

770
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: I told you that she was right for I'm like yeah,

771
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: he said, Man, I'm a senior now at USC, and

772
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: uh i' gonna put you in this movie. It's all right,

773
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: all right, all right, dude, you know whatever, I'll leave

774
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: in w a go solo publicanting. He got a show

775
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: at the Palace out here in Hollywood. I go, dude,

776
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: tap me on the shoulder. It's John Singerton, remember me.

777
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: I remember your ass? Now, what's up? Man? You got

778
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: a movie for me? I know I know what is it?

779
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: What is it? Said? Yeah, No, I just wanna tell

780
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: you about that side all right, all right. So after

781
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: the show, we're in the parking lot and he telling

782
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: me the movie like, damn there. I'm like, what what what?

783
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: You know? I'm ready to leave, and his ride leaves him,

784
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: so he has to ask me for a ride to

785
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: his dorm something like that. Damn damn. But you know,

786
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to I want this dude to

787
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: get hurt out here. Sorry, I saw dry. I don't

788
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: hear nothing from him. You know. I dropped him off

789
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: that day. We didn't even exchange numbers. It was just like,

790
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: all right, man, And because I never really believed him.

791
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: And then my manager months later said, um, somebody want

792
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: to put you in a movie. You know. She was

793
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: even surprised, like, somebody want to put you in the movie? Who? What? Huh?

794
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: I forgot all about this dude. You know, months go by,

795
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be the best rapper in the world.

796
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: I ain't thinking about acting at all. He sends the script.

797
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, you gotta you got an audition. I

798
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: throw the script in the backseat of my car. I

799
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: folded the sides, which are the ship. I gotta practice,

800
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: put that in my pocket and never look at it.

801
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: And I go to the audition. And when I get

802
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: to the audition, it's him sitting there. It's like remember me,

803
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he said, yeah, I told you I was

804
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: gonna do it. You didn't believe me. I said, man,

805
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: I did not believe. And he said, all right, listen,

806
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: I want you to be dope with Ship. He said,

807
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: you're ready. And I'm like, oh, let me find these

808
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: sides out of my pocket, reading them like I'm reading

809
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: them whacked. I'm whacked. The audition is garbage. He looks

810
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: at me, He's like, man, did you read my script?

811
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: I was like, nope, did you read the size? Like

812
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: you know? He's like, cute, man, Come on, man, he said, look,

813
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more shot, dude, go home, read

814
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: the whole script, start to finish tonight and then come

815
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: back tomorrow. And once I read it, I'm looking at

816
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: my wife Kim. I'm like, damn, they're doing They're doing

817
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: a movie about our neighborhood. Read this ship. This is

818
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: about how we grew up. So I'm tripping that. I'm like, damn,

819
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: this is movie worthy. I'm looking at it like yeah,

820
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I guess, so they're doing a movie on it. I

821
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: guess it's movie worthy. Damn nixt care about how we

822
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: grew up. All right, So I go in the next

823
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: day and I kill it. I'm ready, you know, and

824
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: you give me the part of me kind of coached

825
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: me through the movie between him, Uh Lawrence Fishburne you

826
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: know and uh Cuba Goodon Jr. No, they held me

827
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: down on that movie and helped me get through it.

828
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: That's question we asked d on this too. Was your

829
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: curl wet or drive back then? Come on? Now, you

830
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: know I had a dry turl with a wet look ship. Look,

831
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: but it was dry. Yeah. Man, you had to get

832
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: the right you know con you know what I'm saying.

833
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: He had to get the right you know, right, Yeah,

834
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, but it was dry. It was dry, you

835
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

836
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: You know. I used to see dudes dripping. I'll be like, hommy,

837
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: you're giving us a bad name. Yeah, that's because I

838
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: meant my dad in the early eighties, this ship dripped

839
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: like the ear that drip, that's what you're going be

840
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: wiping my neck off all day, like gonna Yeah, the

841
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: white talle around this ship. Yeah, that was just pat

842
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: that ship down a little bit. Man. You ain't gotta

843
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: have you dripping. That's why it ain't got no hair now. Chemicals, yeah, yeah,

844
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: the chemicals that burn stand out. Some stand up moments

845
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: from the set from John signal to you remember the part,

846
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: you know outside what the dude pull the gun, shoot

847
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: the eight K. We all pull off all that's real?

848
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Not not not, of course it's a film him shooting

849
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: a gun. But they did not let nobody know it

850
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: was gonna be real gunshots, you know they somebody over Yeah, yeah,

851
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: but it was real. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was.

852
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a lot of people out there,

853
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's sixties out there is

854
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: it's everybody out there watching us film and it's the

855
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: people in the movie. And then John kept saying on

856
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: the bullhorn, when I say bang bang bang bang, everybody

857
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: run like it's a you know, We're like all right,

858
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I'm gonna okay when I say bang bang,

859
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: all right, say bang bang bank So we could do this.

860
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: But when it was time to shoot, they pulled out

861
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: a real a K and let it off. Just see

862
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: how everybody reacts. That's real. Everybody. I'm trying. I was

863
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 1: trying to get out of here. I thought Movie over turned,

864
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: how cold? How could they act that good? With cube

865
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: almost taking that's real, trying to get out of there.

866
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, just movie over dead, somebody killing. I mean,

867
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: it's a k for real. And so he got us

868
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: on that one man, you know, you know resetting that scene, bro,

869
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: it was hard to give people to come back still running.

870
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: It's like they're calling you come back, man. We did

871
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: that on purpose? What what we did on there? No wait,

872
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to my trailer, No come back, because that

873
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: was in the real time. That could really happen on set.

874
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Nobody shot movies around there, you know what I mean.

875
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: It was like it was so many it was. It

876
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: was that element already out there watching us shoot this

877
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: big gass Crunshaw sing like taking over the street. They loved.

878
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: So we didn't know what was gonna happen. We was

879
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: worried about that the whole time. We got threatened, you

880
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean when we we went when they

881
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: heard that, we we heard ice cubes supposed to kill

882
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: some bloods in the movie. That it was a problem

883
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: they wanted to, you know, sweat John Singleton, like why

884
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: he killing bloods in the movie? This? That another, It's like, man,

885
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: this is a movie. So um yeah, it was some

886
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: issues because we did it right there in the jungle,

887
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and right where they be

888
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: and they weren't happy. They weren't happy about it. But

889
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, somebody got paid. I guess they let it happen. Classic.

890
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is your first film, but you get

891
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: the chance to work with a Lawrence Fishburne obviously a

892
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: John Singleton cubid. What was that like for you, kind

893
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: of your introduction into this new space. I was big fans,

894
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: you know. I was a big fan of Lawrence Fishburne,

895
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, from corn Bread Earl in Me. You know,

896
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't say I love that movie. And I was like,

897
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: damn a little boy in Cornbread Earl and Me. He

898
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: was like yep. Then I loved him in Apocalypse now,

899
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I didn't know Cuba Gooden Jr.

900
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: And you know Angela bas said and all those people

901
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: kneed along. I didn't. I didn't know them, but they

902
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: was dope actors. And I was like, they're in the movie,

903
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: so they must be. It must be official, and you

904
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: know we got it. We did a lot of rehearsals

905
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: like improv where you know, I really was able to

906
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: get my feet up under me and get my balance

907
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: on what it takes to to do good acting and

908
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: when it takes to be bad. You know, I may

909
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: have done some bad act in the movies, but now

910
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: he was just showing me the way. You know, how

911
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: did Friday present itself? What kind of sparon was was

912
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: that I wrote that with the homie DJ pooh, Yeah,

913
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: DJ pooh, shout out. We have been big fans of

914
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: Hollywood Shuffle, you know, shout out to Robert Townsend. He's

915
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: a genius. You know. Without Robert Townsend, there is no

916
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: Friday because he shot that movie with a damn credit

917
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: card there there. You know, he showed us like, don't

918
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: wait on Hollywood man, guerrilla that ship if you have

919
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: to and tell your story. So and he had some

920
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: great comedians, you know, uh, I stole John Witherspoon from

921
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: from from Robert Townsend and so we was fans of that.

922
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: We was fans of and Living Color hum and we

923
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: have saw so many movies about how we grew up

924
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: from boys in the hood to Minister Society to South

925
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: Central even Colors was like, damn man, niggas think it's

926
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Vietnam around here. It's like, is it that bad? I mean,

927
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: we didn't we have fun around here a little bit?

928
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's like, let's write a movie about how

929
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: we looked at all this ship instead of how you know,

930
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: we don't want nobody to feel sad for how we

931
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: grew up, you know what I'm saying, Or be like damn,

932
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: you know y'all surprise y'all ain't in prison. So um,

933
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: we just wanted to have fun, you know, have two

934
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: dudes on the porch just tripping off how crazy their

935
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: neighborhood is and m and that's how the ball started

936
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: to roll on. You know what Friday was gonna be about.

937
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: How do you find Chris Tucker. I saw him on

938
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Deaf Comedy Jam, you know, shout out to Russell Simmons

939
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: him on Deaf Comedy Jam, and I was like, this

940
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: kid is funny as hell. And then he did a

941
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: small little part in the House Party three and I

942
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: was like, kid and play fucked up because they did

943
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: not use this kid enough for this movie. So I

944
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: was like, if I get a movie. I'm I gotta

945
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: find something this dude. And I felt the same way

946
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: about Bernie mac too. Um. And so Friday came up

947
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: and we were gonna raise the money and do it ourselves.

948
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: But then New Line came in and said, you know,

949
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: we want to give you all the money. Call on

950
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: it with y'all. And so it was like cool, you know,

951
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: because it was struggle. It was a struggle to get

952
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: the amount of money we needed to shoot it right.

953
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: So he was happy to have, you know, shout out

954
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: to Bob Shay, you know, uh when the New Line

955
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: knew what they was doing, but shout out to Bob Shay.

956
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: And so they come on and they say, I say,

957
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't want y'all to do the movie because y'all

958
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: gonna mess it up. Y'all don't know what y'all don't

959
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: know what this is. This this is some hood ship

960
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: that I didn't see. Y'all mess up too many movies.

961
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: It was like, we won't touch it, we won't touch it,

962
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: just bring us the finished movie. Basic He's like, okay,

963
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: give us the money. So they said one thing though, Um,

964
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: I had I had DJ Poo playing Smoky me and him,

965
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: and it was like, you've been in movies, Cube, but

966
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: who hasn't, So we need somebody to be smokey. We

967
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: can get pull another part, but smokey is the most

968
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: of the movie. We need it. How about Tommy Davison.

969
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like Tommy, but we gotta have somebody

970
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: kind of unknown, like you gotta believe he ain't nobody

971
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: but Smokey. I mean, I'm already ice Cube doing a comedy.

972
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: You got to believe I'm Craig. So we need somebody

973
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: you don't know. So I was like, I know this kid,

974
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker. Everybody was like, who no, no, boom boom boom.

975
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I was like, y'all just put him in a movie,

976
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: y'all saying no, y'all put him in the house. Party

977
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: three said, let get a dude audition. Fly him out here.

978
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: Let's give him audition. And once we got on that,

979
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: like we auditioned together, it was a rat over like

980
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: told you, told you, but transition obviously you were able

981
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: to make more Friday's losing him, but then picking up

982
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: Mike Epps, like, Mike Guess is my favorite person to

983
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: work with because Mike is what you see is what

984
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: you get. It. It's no act. It's not like, yeah,

985
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: it's not like he gotta be day day. I mean,

986
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: it's like, damn, it's a real, walking, living data, you

987
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Song. You know, I wanted somebody

988
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: to have you know, you can't replace Chris Tucker, but

989
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: I wanted somebody who was, you know, crazy and fun

990
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: and in his own right funny. And so we was

991
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: lucky to get Mike and to have him buy into

992
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: the series. And you know, I've done several movies with Mike.

993
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: We did all about the Benjamin you know, Jakie promoters,

994
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I hope to work with him my

995
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: whole career. I hope we just do movies like like

996
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: a Cheeta Chong, like I got a nice, dynamic, poetic justice.

997
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: I heard a story that they came to you first

998
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: to play Janet's love interest and it just wasn't your thing. Yeah,

999
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: John had wrote it for me. You know, he was like,

1000
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: I just had one part in there that I just

1001
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: couldn't get down with. And I was like, John, dude,

1002
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: you gotta change this part, and he was I'm not

1003
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: changing one word. Just got a damn Oscar nomination for

1004
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: my last God damn John. And it was the part

1005
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I can't play it. Dude who kicked

1006
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: his homie out the car over a chick he just met,

1007
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: even if his janet got Damn Jackson. I can't do that.

1008
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: That part of I'm not cool with that. I said

1009
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: that that ain't the part I want to play. So

1010
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: that's crazy picked it up and then it ran with it. Yeah,

1011
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, I think it was better for him,

1012
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He he did a great job,

1013
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, and he you know, pockets a movie star anyway,

1014
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: so you know he Uh, I went to go see it.

1015
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: I liked the movie, you know, I like, yeah, yeah,

1016
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: is it true you keep the head from the end? Yeah, yeah,

1017
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: got to head. Uh I got to hear on my show,

1018
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: I got the head. You know, you've been there for

1019
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: a long time. Fight dust that bit off, But yeah,

1020
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: he'd be sitting there looking at me. How was the

1021
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: transition and how important was it for you to go

1022
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: from part of gangster rap creation to making kid movies.

1023
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: That crossover has been legendary, and I don't think anyone's

1024
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: had such a drastic crossover period than you. You know,

1025
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: always was like, you know, you can't and you shouldn't

1026
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: judge a book by its covering, you know, you really,

1027
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: if you do, you probably uh, you probably miss judging

1028
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: and you're probably on your heels if you do. When

1029
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: I did Boys in the Hood, you know, people thought,

1030
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: why would you do a comedy, Why would you do

1031
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: a movie like Friday? You know, you got this lane,

1032
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: you know. I was offered Old Dog too in minutes

1033
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: really yeah, And I was like, man, I'm I'm like,

1034
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: I just played dough Boy and just play Save Line

1035
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: and Trespass. I'm not gonna play another the Killer Killer. Yeah. Yeah.

1036
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: So I'm like, no, man, you know I don't want it.

1037
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm always just like, let's push the envelope. Man,

1038
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, don't box me in with nothing. Don't don't

1039
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: don't even think about it. If you think you know

1040
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, you know what I mean, You're wrong.

1041
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: So doing Friday, you know, showed okay, I could do comedy,

1042
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not just stuck with the traumas

1043
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: about the hood. And then we did Barbershop. Barbershop was

1044
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: a PG thirteen movie and it was Tim's story's first movie,

1045
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: and it blew up, you know it was. It was

1046
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: a movie that showed that we don't all think the same,

1047
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Even though if we come

1048
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: from the same neighborhood, that don't mean we think the same.

1049
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, if I could do a

1050
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: PG thirteen, can I do a PG? Can I? Can

1051
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: I do it for the kids? Because it's crazy when

1052
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: you got five even six year old saying I love Friday?

1053
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's your little ass doing watching Friday? You know?

1054
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like, uh, my fans got kids, now, let

1055
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: me um do something for them. Because the worst thing

1056
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: in the world too as an artist is if yo,

1057
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: fans have to tell their kids who you was, Like

1058
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: that dude ice Cube, he used to be the ship.

1059
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: So you don't want that. You want the kids to

1060
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: know who you are, you know what I'm saying. So

1061
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: doing that movie, kids know who I am. You know,

1062
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: the kids love you know what I'm saying, because they

1063
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: love Nick, they love you know, the characton. Are we

1064
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: there yet? So it was the attempt to grab the

1065
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: next generation with quality. They just don't make movies like

1066
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: that for our kids. So to do something I knew

1067
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: this movie is gonna standard test of time for the

1068
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: youngsters like Friday is for the So it gave every

1069
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: age group something to be down with. Yeah, how did

1070
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: it straight out of Compton come about? I didn't think

1071
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: about making that movie, but I heard they was gonna

1072
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: make it. Here we go with new line again. So

1073
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: these dudes was gonna make the movie. Jerry Heller's version

1074
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: of it from his book. I said, Man, y'all want

1075
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: me to really pull that bad out again? I really

1076
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: really want to heard somebody up the here. Why would

1077
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: y'all do that? Man, y'all gotta do this movie with us.

1078
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: We got me Dre, we gotta you know, and um

1079
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: Um Tamika who had the rights to the music and stories,

1080
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Like I do the movie with the people that was there.

1081
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: Jerry don't know ship. He wasn't there. He came after

1082
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: the sauce was made, you know what I mean. He

1083
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: came after the dinner was late. So they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1084
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: you're right. So they they pushed him off to the

1085
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: side start working on my script. We got it all

1086
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: the way there, and then they didn't want to spend

1087
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: the money to do the movie, like they wanted to

1088
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: spend like sevent eighteen million dollars to do Straight out

1089
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: of Compton, which is a thirty four million dollar movie.

1090
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: So picture that movie done at seventeen million. It's not

1091
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: looking as good. It's the quality is not there. It's

1092
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: not it's epic. We ended up, you know, thank guy

1093
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: for Donna Langley. We ended up getting her to buy

1094
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: the movie and take it over to Universal, and she

1095
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: did it right and it's huge hit. What was it

1096
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: like watching your son play you? Because you just said

1097
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: some ship and I'm going back to the movie you

1098
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: you sound you and your son sounded exactly same. You're

1099
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: talking about Jerry. That energy came back. But I felt

1100
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: your son on that ship too. It's amazing for him

1101
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: to be able to get the art because a lot

1102
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: of people think it's a shooing. I could have just

1103
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: gave him the part. But movies it's a process, especially

1104
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: the big ones, and this thirty four million dollars up,

1105
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: somebody gonna have something to say. So, you know, he

1106
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 1: had the audition, he had to go through the process,

1107
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: He had to get approof from the studio. So I

1108
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: put him through the ring. You know, I actually thought

1109
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: that We're doing so much to this kid, he's gonna

1110
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: quit before we even get to the set. And if

1111
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: you do that, then nobody got to know about it,

1112
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He got bit by the

1113
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: bug because I was I was, you know, sending him

1114
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: to trainers to study in l A and New York.

1115
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: And I was thinking he was gonna say, I don't

1116
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: want to go. Man, why am I doing this? You

1117
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But he was like, I'm with it, man,

1118
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: I gotta meet my ma, act and coach, and you know,

1119
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: he was getting hyped about it. But I still hadn't

1120
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: told Gary Gray, like because he was the first person

1121
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: I needed to tell. So pulled Gary aside, said hey, man,

1122
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: so I gotta tell you something. He was like, what

1123
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: I said, I want my son to play me. Gary

1124
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: was like, man, what the fuckque I thought we was

1125
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: making a real movie here, man, I said, this is

1126
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: a real movie. This is a real movie. Gary, you're

1127
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: gonna do to me with John Singleton? Did you're gonna

1128
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: do it for my son with John Singleton did for me?

1129
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna walking through this and he's gonna be great,

1130
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: and you ain't gonna find nobody better, and so he

1131
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: was like, height, let me see. And then as the

1132
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,799
Speaker 1: auditions and all the stuff started coming around and screen

1133
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: tests and camera tests, he was like, he housed that ship.

1134
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: Ain't can't nobody to do it? Something said when he

1135
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: went to the audition and it was other Ice cue there.

1136
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: He was mad for you. I gotta do this for

1137
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: the family. Family. Legac't let you bozos played my pops.

1138
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: Now he's doing his own ship. Yeah. Now he in

1139
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: Star Wars. You know, he got this Obi wan Kenobi

1140
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: movie he did, uh got Zilla. I mean, he's doing

1141
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: big gass movies. And he was a fan of all

1142
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: these things. So to be able to part of it,

1143
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: to be a part of them, he lived in his

1144
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: best life for real. But um, it's a movie he's

1145
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: done recently. Oh yeah yeah yeah that's uh yeah, that's

1146
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: his movie. Yeah yeah, I gotta give much problems with Yeah. Yeah,

1147
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: he was the man and that I mean he flipped

1148
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: it on him. Yeah. I was looking at the moment,

1149
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 1: like what kind of that set it up for a

1150
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: part two? Yeah, yeah, he set it up. Yeah, he's

1151
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna he gonna do part two. It came out and

1152
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: with the Part two then the things. Yeah, yeah, he's

1153
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: a good actor, man. You know, he ain't just you know,

1154
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: he ain't just bullshit. And he got two chops. Speaking

1155
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: of his son, you know you got another the sun.

1156
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: What's the best part of being the father? Being able

1157
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: to teach them the game and the pit falls that's

1158
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: out there for him, Being able to put them up

1159
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 1: on as much as this um, you know, the intricate

1160
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: workings of this world. Putting them up on that game

1161
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Uh, being there, you know what

1162
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Just being there as as being present. You

1163
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 1: know some men are home, but are you present? Just

1164
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: being home, being in the in the back room and

1165
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: shipped on that game, ain't present? Give them stability, um,

1166
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: Making sure they're not you know, some of those same

1167
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: o statistics, Um, because of my actions, you know what

1168
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's just been great to see them

1169
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: become you know, respectable grown men. They're just good people.

1170
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: And to me, that's the biggest accomplishment is that the

1171
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: good people. What's the biggest a piece of advice you've

1172
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: given them? You feel, man, it's hard to say that

1173
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: because I give them so much, so much advice every

1174
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: day you know, just telling them about who they are

1175
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: and what they up against is It's some of my

1176
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: best moments. You know what I'm saying, because you know,

1177
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: my pops from a different area, you know what I'm

1178
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: saying in their areas. You know, uh, my own business work.

1179
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Hey, k your family and

1180
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: stop on the fucking complaining. You know what I'm saying.

1181
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 1: That state philosophy and yeah, and my philosophy is similar

1182
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: to that. But it's like, nah, you know what I mean.

1183
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: I want to I want to fight the powers that

1184
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: be right. How did the concept of the Big Three

1185
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: come out? I mean to think what you did and

1186
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: obviously you know Jack being right there in the mix.

1187
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: Once you got going, I was just I want to

1188
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: heard it. I was like, this is gonna be crazy

1189
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: if it ever happens. And you made it happen. Talk

1190
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: to us about that process. I mean made it happen

1191
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: with some great people. I mean Stax was the hard

1192
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: and soul all time leading score of ye all time

1193
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: leading score in the league when he hung it up,

1194
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: and so you know he's gonna be a coach now trilogy,

1195
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 1: but he set the tone. Thank you just being a

1196
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: fan saying saying, y'all retire and knowing it. Damn, I

1197
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: know they got more gaming. I know it. Like I'm

1198
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: not listening to what people are saying. I'm not listening

1199
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: to announcers and people who already want to talk about

1200
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: his age. Are they want to talk about is how

1201
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: old somebody is, And they're not talking about can you

1202
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: do it or you can't because you've got young people

1203
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: that can't play, right, you got twenty one year old trash,

1204
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's either you can

1205
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: do it or you can't. So seeing dudes retire after

1206
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: building up fan base from high school, junior high, college pros,

1207
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: like these dudes got twenty years of fans and they

1208
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: just poof gone, Like that talent has to be pulled

1209
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: somewhere where people can see these guys still play. And

1210
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, doing the half court game to me was

1211
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: a no brain. There's something we all everybody here probably

1212
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: played more three on three than five on fire except y'all.

1213
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: But but growing up, that's what you do, and and

1214
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: it's a great game. It's it's some of your most

1215
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: ferocious games are gonna be three on three nowhere to hide.

1216
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: You know, so I said, man, why isn't this elevated

1217
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: to the professional level? I would literacy seven footers in

1218
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 1: that paint, banging like that, you know, that would be amazing.

1219
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: So that's where it came and came from being a

1220
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: fan of the game. I want to see it continue

1221
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: for people that you know, spend decade, you know, fifteen

1222
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: years watching. You know what I'm saying. I want to

1223
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: keep watching until they say it's over, because the NBA

1224
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: could tell you it's over just because they just because

1225
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: the NBA tell you, so that don't mean it's over.

1226
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: It's over when you say it's over. This man right

1227
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: here retiring on his own terms, he said, doesn't playing

1228
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: pro sports. That don't mean he ain't gonna ball somewhere

1229
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: here and there, but pro level done on his terms.

1230
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: And the reason I think him for being the heart

1231
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: and soul of the Big three because at that combine,

1232
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: nobody knew the first By seventeen, nobody knew what kind

1233
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: of league is? This is this pick up game, all

1234
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: star kind of field. We're just kicking it is this

1235
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: go after the chill, just get a check and get

1236
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: a couple of shots. Are going to fifty half court.

1237
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: This is easy, peasy and stacks. He was like, y'all,

1238
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: I ain't got no friends out here. When I touched

1239
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: this ball, it's over. Don't come asking for no kind

1240
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: of take it easy, stop chilling stuff. I don't want

1241
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 1: to hear that ship. And he walked around everybody like circling.

1242
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I want

1243
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: to hear. And he got in there and he went

1244
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: at him hard, you know, just nothing dirty, just hard

1245
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: core playing. And everybody said, man, we gotta bring it.

1246
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: You know, I see eyes getting big. He damned it

1247
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: was a fight. And then and then you got you

1248
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: got Oakley, rick Berry, Charles Oakley stopping a fight. I'm like, oh,

1249
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: we got something. We got up in saying fellas sell us,

1250
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, ship, we got something, man. And if he

1251
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: didn't do that, who knows what kind of start we

1252
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: would have got off to. Who knows if we would

1253
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: have actually turn this from a great idea into a

1254
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: real league where pride and game is on the line,

1255
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: legacy on the line, and people still willing to put

1256
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: it out there. That meant a lot to me. You

1257
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: can ask my my fiance now, I took a picture

1258
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: of that message. I got a mess from him and

1259
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: I think it was like late at night and he

1260
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to thank you for what

1261
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: you've done for the League's like this league wouldn't be

1262
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: the way it is without you. And you know that

1263
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: means a lot of to us because I didn't get

1264
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: all the props I I deserve as the NBA player,

1265
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 1: so to be a part of a league of professional

1266
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: league and to get that from our founder, that meant

1267
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot to me. Bro. I'm gonna always give your problem,

1268
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You got car Blanche to

1269
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: this league, and we're gonna grow to the league and

1270
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: we're all gonna, you know, sit back and think about

1271
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: who was there at the beginning. Who dudes didn't have

1272
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: to stick they game, legacy next or anything on the

1273
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: line for you know, brother, with the idea of trying

1274
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: to make it work. I can't make it work by myself.

1275
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: I need great athletes to buy into it, take it serious,

1276
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: and and play them win. That's all I ask for,

1277
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'll pay just just come to win and

1278
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: not just don't play just to play. Nobody wants see

1279
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: that ship. Come to win. Shout out Jeff, Yeah, my man,

1280
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Kuantans. We thought it just together. We brainstorm for

1281
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: a year, argued over rules, um, and you know how

1282
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: we was gonna treat the players in the league, and

1283
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: and um, it's been a dream come true. We need

1284
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: to get all the smokers one of the Big Three sponsors.

1285
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, please some time basketball. All right, y'all

1286
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: got the contract, make it happen. Right, So you guys

1287
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: took a hiatus obviously with COVID. Your return and tell

1288
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: us about your return this year. Are we back this year? Um? Now,

1289
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: we've looked at our sport. You know, the youngsters start

1290
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: calling it fireball the way we play, so we've decided

1291
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: to lean into that. And you know this is not

1292
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: yea grandfather's three on three. You know what I'm saying.

1293
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: This is a whole different sports. Like you got boxing

1294
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: and you got UFC. You know what I'm saying. You know,

1295
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: you got the NBA plays basketball. The Big Three plays

1296
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: fireball three and it's a different game and it got

1297
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: its own wrinkles that may not be you know, with

1298
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: traditional basket goot ball. And we wanted to be able

1299
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: to start to make our own superstars. UM, So we're

1300
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: getting younger this year. We're letting UH players as young

1301
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: as twenty two UH joined the league. And we also

1302
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: are having an open tryout, UM, and we'll invite ten

1303
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 1: players to our combine. And Nick, you're getting the combine.

1304
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: You got a chance. We're working it out, you know,

1305
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: hopefully we can get it up. UM looking at middle

1306
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: of May. UM, two different cities will make the announcement

1307
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: for the ballers and south there that want to give

1308
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: it a shot. And it's gonna be our coaches and

1309
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: captains picking who get to go to the combine. But

1310
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: ten players will get a chance to compete in the combine.

1311
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,799
Speaker 1: And if you get to the combine, you know, stack,

1312
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: you might make a team. You might make a team.

1313
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:03,879
Speaker 1: So that's unique, is boards. It gives you know, athletes

1314
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: out there who are might not be great, you know

1315
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: on the full court NBA level, but might be perfect

1316
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: fireball three ballers, you know what I'm saying, Big three ballers.

1317
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: So is it gonna be called fireball three now or

1318
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: with the name of the game is called fireball three?

1319
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: But it's still the league is still the big I

1320
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: mean them Frank Nino, Frank Frank he was a Drew

1321
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: League legend. Yeah, I mean it never really got a

1322
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: chance in the league real life, but through your Big

1323
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: Three got an NBA trial. That's what it's all about.

1324
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're not stopping any of those dreams. You know,

1325
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: we want to give these guys a platform where they

1326
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: can show, Look, I can play at this level. Just

1327
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: give me a chance, Johnson another run in the league. Yeah,

1328
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what it's all about. You know,

1329
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: we welcome that. It gives our league credibility. People think,

1330
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have to just go to the

1331
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: G League. I can you know, the Big Three guys

1332
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: to games on CBS. You know what I mean. I

1333
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: could be seen every Saturday on CBS. Though. You like,

1334
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot of basketball players financially and mentally were at

1335
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: a place where they had nowhere to go, and that

1336
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: Big Three saved a lot of them. I know, you know,

1337
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: it's it's not opposition to same names, but I know

1338
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people that then came to me and

1339
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: gave me words that should have been directed to you.

1340
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Man, I'm glad this league here. Man,

1341
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, have a real conversation because I haven't been around. Man,

1342
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: you don't know where it was last week. But this,

1343
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, this team rax a week helping me bro

1344
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: baby mom. You know what I'm saying. I got a

1345
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: lot of players might not say it to you, but

1346
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: you're saving lives. That's what it's all about too. Man.

1347
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: I look at myself as a you know, a rap.

1348
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: I do movies. But if somebody came to me at

1349
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty six, it's like cute. So for man,

1350
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: no more records, no more movies, You're done, you out

1351
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: the league? Like, how would that make me feel? You

1352
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? When you know you still got

1353
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: more in the tank. You still you know you can

1354
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: out wraps all these you know, Yaster is coming up,

1355
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 1: and you know you can still act, you know, with

1356
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: the best of them. So you know that, how would

1357
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: that make me feel? And I just have that sympathy

1358
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: for the athletes that we love, we cherish, we cheer,

1359
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: We these are heroes and we let them down at

1360
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: the end of the career, at the end of their

1361
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 1: career and treat them like they that they never played

1362
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: the game. Man, And it's it's uh, you know, not

1363
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: no more. You know you got a home, you can

1364
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: come to the Big Three. If you still got game,

1365
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: you can make a squad. Come on. I think it

1366
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: was perfect, but you know, obviously Jackson NBA ended before

1367
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: it should have, you know what I mean. And he

1368
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: fought his ask to try to get back and sho

1369
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 1: didn't work. So that to me as a friend, seeing

1370
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: him go and do what he did in the Big

1371
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: Three and get to leave on his own terms like

1372
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: that ship was dope to me. That's what it's all about.

1373
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: It's all about knowing I'm and I can watch that

1374
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care if I touched that ball

1375
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: or not, you know what I'm saying. Worst to be

1376
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: sitting there with the hitch, thinking, oh man, I wish

1377
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 1: I was out there other league that I know that

1378
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: I meet person Stevien Jackson to walk away as a

1379
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: leading scored then walking straight into a coaching position, I

1380
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know no other league, So you know what I'm saying.

1381
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I didn't mind giving my all

1382
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: to it, because I know from day one the first

1383
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: thing he told us, this league gonna only be what

1384
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: we make it, you know what I mean? And it was.

1385
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: It was a lot of players that didn't understand that

1386
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: at the time, you know what I'm saying, But the

1387
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 1: core guys understood that, you know what I mean. And

1388
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: it's still like that. We still gotta we still got

1389
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot of opposition, a lot of a lot of

1390
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: people want to only play with the big boys, and

1391
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, we like, look, we're coming. We we we're

1392
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: some of the most exciting basketball in this summer. And

1393
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: you know, it takes everybody takes all hands on deck

1394
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: to continue to should to blow this league up straight up.

1395
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: Outside of the Lakers, so on teams and players you

1396
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: kind of get when you get some time, you like

1397
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: to check out man Dame Lily. Love his gag, love

1398
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: his attitude. You know, he's what He's what you want,

1399
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, He's he's like, y'all you want, Yeah,

1400
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: you want nobody in there? Friendly? Friendly? You know what

1401
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You want? Yeah, you want that, you know, gunfighter,

1402
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I come in and

1403
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: seek and destroy, I come in. Yeah. So when I

1404
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: see those type of players, you know, they become my

1405
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: favorite athletes when they got games over the ones who

1406
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: are just you know, nice to everybody and you don't

1407
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: know if they care if they win or not. I

1408
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: think we got what it takes to repeat if we're healthy.

1409
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: It's all about health. Um. But it's cool that these

1410
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: youngsters and these new players are getting a chance to

1411
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: play without Lebron and in a d and when you know,

1412
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: they're showing like yo, we we Lakers too. It ain't

1413
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: all about them two players. So I think that's gonna

1414
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: help us in the long run. But you know, Brooklyn

1415
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: is they look tough, man, they're not stacked up, and

1416
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: we'll see. Health is key. How you fell in love

1417
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: as you started early, but you fell in love with

1418
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: the game in the early eighties. Obviously a very physical,

1419
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: defensive minded game. To see what it is from there

1420
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: to how it's a hundred thirty games and barely any defense.

1421
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: Thoughts on kind of the evolution of the NBA. I

1422
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: like a strong competitive game, you know, I like, you know,

1423
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: regular season NBA games are okay. Playoff games to me

1424
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: is what's what it's all about. You really get to see,

1425
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, the neck guys getting down to the nitty

1426
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: gritty and giving that extra effort on defense. You know. Um,

1427
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: it is, you know strange sometimes because I remember hearing

1428
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: like no layups in the playoffs and actually seeing it,

1429
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: but it meant that. It meant that like going there

1430
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: for layup, man, you better have your gun out, like

1431
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so to see dudes just

1432
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: golide to the rack. You know, nobody really you know,

1433
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: challenging hard. Um M. That's why I let certain things

1434
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: go on in my league, you know, not I don't

1435
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: want hard files at the rim, but I do want,

1436
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 1: um you know, the hand checking and letting guys actually

1437
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: play defense and stay in front of a guy. And

1438
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: I think that's important. You know, nobody wants to see,

1439
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred fifty point game every every time.

1440
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I recently, the great DMX is hospitalized. You posted the

1441
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: studio session with him. Obviously we're alston in our prayers

1442
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: to him. How special was he as an artist? I mean,

1443
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: he was one of the greatest to ever touched the mike.

1444
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: At his height, he was as big as any rapper

1445
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: out there, was selling five and six million copies. Um

1446
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: I got a chance to work with him early before

1447
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: he even like blew up. I think before he even

1448
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: had his first might have had one record on the radio.

1449
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Um I was doing a We'll Be Clubbing remix d

1450
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: J Clark Kent shout out Clark Kent me. Yeah. He

1451
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: was like, all right, you who you want? I can

1452
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: get anybody in New York on this who you want?

1453
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm hearing about this young

1454
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: kid I heard on radio man named d m X.

1455
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I know you're talking about He said,

1456
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you want him? I said yeah, he said, all right,

1457
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I get him. He went got d m X. DMX

1458
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: was like, man, thank you, thank you for putting me down.

1459
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then we did the track.

1460
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: It was bananas, and I flew him and the rough

1461
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: Riders out to shoot the video. You know, I remember

1462
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: meeting Eve before she was even a star. You know,

1463
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: she was just part of the rough Rider crew, just

1464
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: hanging out. So just seeing him blow up and do

1465
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: movies and um, and then you know, go through his

1466
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: issues and didn't hear his backstory on you know old

1467
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, dirty ass, you know, yeah, you know, got

1468
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: him hooked on that ship. So um, you know, I still,

1469
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I hope for the best, wish for the best,

1470
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: believe he's gonna pull through and be the same old

1471
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: d Mex he always been, So I'm playing for him.

1472
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Love and prayers to the family. Rushmore, Yeah you too,

1473
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Short Snooped Doug. Yeah, man, we we gotta you know,

1474
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: I did so many dope records, like we got Ship

1475
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: in the can. You we argue on which one is

1476
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: coming out first, which you know. So it's fun. It's

1477
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: fun being a part of something that's you know, building

1478
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: and anticipation and and and know that we got good music.

1479
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, hype. So we know we

1480
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: got the ship and we know people want it. Now

1481
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: it's just about you know, we're doing stuff, getting our

1482
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: visuals together, photo shoes, videos. We just want to be

1483
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: cocked and loaded before we dropped the bump. I'm going

1484
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: to drop a Big Three song. Well, you know, we

1485
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: got a song that that I cut together. We did

1486
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: this something call locked In. We we didn't cut it

1487
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: to the Big Three stuff, so maybe that had a

1488
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: hole throughout the whole something up. Now we'll we'll do

1489
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: something new. We had forty and Short on the show

1490
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: and they were their excitement was they was ready. Yeah man,

1491
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: you know everybody it's rejuvenated and excited and we know

1492
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: this is an epic project and we laying to do

1493
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, multiple records make an appearance. Yeah, he on

1494
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: the song. He on one of those songs called I

1495
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: think it's called Block Cowboys. So yeah, you know, whenever

1496
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: you get the dock on it, you take it to

1497
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: another level. If you're going to create the best Big

1498
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Three player from the past or President, who would it be.

1499
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: I think a player like you know, Damn Pastor Man.

1500
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Come on, man, too many ballers out there. But you know,

1501
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,560
Speaker 1: if you had a game, you know, a person like

1502
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen who can do it all long. Um, you know,

1503
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,799
Speaker 1: he's a damn there a smaller version of your honest

1504
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And yeah, he got that

1505
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that kind of athleticism. I think he would. You know,

1506
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: any player like that would be great in the league

1507
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 1: because you gotta have all your skill. You know, anything

1508
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: you we get, it's going to shows. You know. It's like,

1509
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: that's why some players that did great in the NBA

1510
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't do so well in the Big Three because anything

1511
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 1: that you week get, it's gonna be exposed. But I

1512
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: loved was. I introduced my twins to it at the time,

1513
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: and they want to say they were eight or nine

1514
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: and we watched the handful of games, actually watched the

1515
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: playoff run, and in the next season they're watching it

1516
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: without me. Kids love the Big Three because they played,

1517
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: They played three or three when they get to school

1518
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: or what I'm saying. There, and our games are fast,

1519
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, you can see a big game and an

1520
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: hour or less. You know, our games are used about

1521
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: thirty five and fifty five minutes per game, so you know,

1522
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: you ain't sitting there three hours. And there's no there's

1523
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: no garbage minutes because there are no minutes. You got

1524
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: to play. You know, your buckets are not you know,

1525
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: so everybody played from start to finished without no We're

1526
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: about to win this. So I could kick back none

1527
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: of that the same team and have uh to thirty

1528
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: seven and lose and lose. You know, it's you gotta

1529
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: keep playing till you get fifty and more real quick.

1530
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a huge fan. And this is

1531
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,560
Speaker 1: not on the last part, but any Pock stories that

1532
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: stand out to you working with him, getting to know him.

1533
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: I hung out with him mostly when he was with

1534
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: Digital and before he started going solo, and I just

1535
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: remember he was a ball of energy. He uh. He

1536
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: was just a fun dude to hang around, you know,

1537
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: one of those dudes that was like the life of

1538
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: the party. You know, you hear him coming a mile away.

1539
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: We did a show and somewhere in the Bay Area

1540
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, I gotta be three in the morning,

1541
01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: four like everybody done done. Shut it down, you know

1542
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, and party you know, all night and

1543
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: shut it down. Park still up, Come knocking on my door.

1544
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: You sleep, man, funk that, Get dressed, Get dressed. We're

1545
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: going downstairs. Man, we gon keep this going. I'm like, pop, homie,

1546
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm tired, Man, I'm tired, Like now, I never get tired.

1547
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: He Funck before about twenty minutes at the door, just

1548
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: won't leave you. I'm like, man, I ain't going down there, man.

1549
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: And then and I just see him just you know,

1550
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: like I'm going I'm gonna I'll tell you I was,

1551
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: and just bouncing off the walls and I'm like, man,

1552
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: this dude is having a ball with this ship. So

1553
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, Park was one of those dudes who you know,

1554
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: people knew him on one level, but you know, you

1555
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,759
Speaker 1: get him one on one and you realize you're dealing

1556
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: with a smart and humble dude, you know what I mean.

1557
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 1: And that's what I remember about him. You know, it

1558
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: was like you always I was happy to see him coming,

1559
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. With I was around, We

1560
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: was we'd be up Echo Sound doing records. Park was

1561
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 1: doing this solo album. I remember he you started driving

1562
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: and ship, like man, I wrecked this and wrecked his

1563
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: beings two or three times. It's like, man, I didn't

1564
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 1: drive when I was young. We need drive on the

1565
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: East coast at all. So I got to West because

1566
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: I ain't worried about driving, like, man, don't kill yourself

1567
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: in that damn thing. So I just remember him being, uh,

1568
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: just a good dude. I was always loving what we

1569
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: was doing because he was. He was sitting me like man,

1570
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: I do my solo ship, and I want to make records,

1571
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: to make them kind of records about the hood, like

1572
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: y'all do. Because it's ill where I live. Man, it's

1573
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: crazy where I live, and don't nobody know. I need

1574
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: to talk to I need to tell people about that ship.

1575
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: Like man, I was just encouraging him, like you gotta

1576
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: do what you feel or and they ain't gonna you

1577
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be happy with it. But ain't it Ain't

1578
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: that crazy? I mean, obviously that's parking. That's a million

1579
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 1: more people. Just the inspiration you gave that everyday person

1580
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: that looked like even looked in your neighborhood. The inspiration

1581
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: gave him. It's a blessing, you know, because I was

1582
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: giving that same inspiration for mother, you know, m c's

1583
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: or people that you know showed me the way, you know,

1584
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: Iced Tea was a great mentor you know, for young

1585
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: MC trying to figure it out because he had went

1586
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: through a lot of stuff, um with with with his lyrics,

1587
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 1: and he gave me the best advice any MC ever

1588
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: gave me, which was, um, don't wrap it if you

1589
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: don't if you can't explain it, like don't don't just

1590
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: be rhyme and ship like you know what you're talking about,

1591
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,560
Speaker 1: because they're gonna ask you about it. You want to

1592
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 1: know every line. You want to know why you wrote it,

1593
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: what it means to you, and so you can intelligently

1594
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: explain yourself when they come at your bottom, because they're

1595
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: coming at you and you did that, and so that

1596
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: was great vice because you know, rapper, you're just trying

1597
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: to rhyme, clever ship it slick talk, you know what

1598
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, slick talking. But when you start getting into

1599
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: the political areas, you have to know what you're doing

1600
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: and know what you're saying. You know what you're talking

1601
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: about all time. NBA starting five, ice Cube starting five

1602
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: all time. Damn that guard. I got magic who Lord?

1603
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 1: But you can do it with Lakers alone? Yeah? I

1604
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: probably should. At the two, I got Kobe. At the three,

1605
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: you got lebron m at the four, Wow, I gotta

1606
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan mm hmm. At the five, I got shocked.

1607
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's not losing very many, not at all.

1608
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: That's when you finish uh five dinner guests that are alive,

1609
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: you plus five around the table for dinner. The Hormie

1610
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:14,520
Speaker 1: uh crazy tunes, Rest in peace and um my grandfather

1611
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: rest in peace, My grandmother rest in peace. Um John

1612
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: Sington Man. I lost a lot of harmes. But for

1613
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: people that know people, give me with the spoon. If

1614
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: you could pick a guest for us to have on

1615
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: all the smoke, who would it be? But you have

1616
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: to help us get this guest. That's the party. Y'all

1617
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: tell me which one y'all want I mean, I'm doing

1618
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: all these names. You've got a lot of names, now,

1619
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: um iced tea. You said a lot of people. Now,

1620
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: did y'all have Kevin Hard on here? Now? That's that's

1621
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: what we need. Kevin Hart, that's what we need. Hey man,

1622
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: that's a wrap ice cube. Man. We appreciate your time.

1623
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: Y'all got a cabin back, man. You can cast us

1624
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 1: on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the I Heart platform Black Effects,

1625
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: see you next week three. This is all a Smoke,

1626
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect and our Heart Radio

1627
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:13,759
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