WEBVTT - Listener Mail Roundup 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.960 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.760 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.879 tech Stuff from how stuff works dot Com. Join Josh 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.280 and Chuck, the guys who bring you stuff you should know, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.680 as they take a trip around the world to help 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.720 you get smarter in a topsy TRV economy. Check out 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.439 the all new super Stuff Guide to the Economy from 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:30.800 how stuff Works dot Com, available now exclusively on iTunes. Hi, There, everybody, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.199 and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Polette. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.600 I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot com 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.400 and as usual I have sitting next to me senior 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:45.400 writer Jonathan Strickland. How all right? How do you? And 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.879 today we thought we'd try something brand new. You know, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.839 we've done a couple of different sort of theme podcasts 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.360 in the past, and this time it's yeah, okay, a couple. Well, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.760 we've done a couple of you know, Christmas, we've done 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.760 the New Years, We've done focus on the innovators. This 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:14.440 time we're doing a listener mail round up. Yes, let's 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.760 get along, little dogies. So this first listener mail comes 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.080 from John from Medford, New York. Guys can you tell 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.120 me if there is an easy way to track the 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.839 GPS in someone's phone. I've seen all sorts of services 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.560 and expensive equipment out there, but there must be some 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.000 inexpensive or easy way to it. I think he means 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:39.520 to do it. Yeah. UM, listen here, John, We've learned 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.919 the hard way about this topic. UM. So GPS receivers. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:51.040 The key word in that is receivers. A receiver receives signals. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.720 It does not transmit signals. So if you're in a 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.560 with a phone is a little different. But let's say 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.600 you just have a regular GPS receiver. That receiver is 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:05.080 not indsmitting any data to any other device or service. Um. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.800 What it's doing is it's acting like essentially in antenna 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.840 and and and there's a computer in there that analyzes 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.000 the data, which then tells you where you are. But 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.079 it's just receiving signals that are being sent out by 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.080 GPS satellites. And these things are just sending They're just 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.440 bombarding the Earth with signals, radio signals. That's it. Um. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.079 It's like any other radio tower. It's not directed specifically 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.679 at any individual. It's just hitting a specific area of 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.280 the world. Yes, and that's how that's how the receiver 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.520 tells it goes you know, hey, I seem to be 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.160 this far from satellite an't seen to be that far 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.560 from satellite B. I should be right about here exactly, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.560 although usually it's also there's a satellite see but simplifying 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.240 sites so um so yeah, but yeah, what it's doing 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.200 is it's taking these signals and it's comparing the time 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.320 stamps and by telling how how long it takes the 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.959 signal to get to the receiver. That's that's how it 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.440 kind of figures out where on Earth you must be, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.520 because it's like there's only one spot on Earth where 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.919 this would happen, so you have to be here. So 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.960 I'm guessing that John wants to find Carmen san Diego. Yes, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.840 if Carmen san Diego has a GPS receiver and no 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.960 other device on her, you're just gonna have to follow 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.240 those clues like the rest of us. Um my guess 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:27.240 is she's probably stealing Beethoven. But uh, oh my gosh, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.160 I can't believe I can't even remember anything about Carmen 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.000 san Diego. You know, I just do it out there 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.640 is a one time or all I have to say 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:38.600 is rock on rockapella. So anyway, the so so just 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.120 you know, the current copyright holders are going to be 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.560 all over this. No no, that's always said was rockafella. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.080 We didn't sing the song. We're fine. So yeah. The 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.040 thing is, I'm not quite sure why you want to 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.240 track somebody else's GPS and I'm not gonna ask, right, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.160 that's tricky. Let's play. Let's play the game. Let's assume 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.720 that whomever it is you wish to try wants you 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.480 to be able to find him or her, because that 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.640 is a lot easier to talk about than you have 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.040 an interest in a particular person and you want to 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.280 be able to follow them and they not know about it, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.320 because that's kind of creepy. So John, we figure you're 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.880 a stand up guy. Uh And so let's say that 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.400 you know, you and your buddy you want to you 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.920 want a way to be able to tell where where 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.240 people are so that you know, you can, like how 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:25.840 I see that he's in the mall too, I can 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.120 go by and just say, hey, uh well, the GPS 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.080 receiver by itself is not going to do that. However, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:37.920 there are devices that use other methods of distributing information 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.960 that can help you, For instance, there are smartphones that 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.559 have a GPS receiver, and of course a smartphone also 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.200 is a phone, I mean, otherwise it's not a phone, right, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.200 So that makes sense. Right. So, in the way the 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.440 smartphone can send out signals via either cellular or maybe 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.480 even radio signals like WiFi. UM, that could send data 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.680 about your location to other people. And there are plenty 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.120 of services that do use this kind of method. Oh yeah, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.559 they'll they will absolutely do that and do it for free, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.640 you know, if you're if you're willing to spend the 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.640 battery it takes in order for it to constantly update 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.560 your location through your cellular provider. Um. You can install 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.120 one of many many applications to your smartphone that will 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.840 allow you to do this, and and some of them 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.560 don't even use the GPS receivers. Some of them just 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.240 tulate triangulate through the cell towers. Right now, that's not 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.840 as accurate your Wi Fi networks networks, which is even 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.440 less accurate, right, so you can kind of in those cases, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.080 you'll just get sort of a general location. UM, you 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.000 won't be able to pinpoint someone's location, so you can't 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.520 send the murder bots to you know, the corner of 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.680 fifth and Maine. You're gonna be like, um, search this 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.039 three block area and then find my victim. Hold off Ninja's. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.680 I can't send in just yet, Right, you should just 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.719 send the pirates anyway, because they'll maraud through the entire 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.960 town there. You know, Ninja's are very precise and Uh, anyway, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.200 we're getting off topic. So the if you have a 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.360 phone that uses the sort of uh, the sort of applications, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.400 then you can keep track of someone if that person 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.200 has installed those applications on his or her phone and 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:21.559 usually designates you as someone who can look at that information. Yeah, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.840 some of them, some of them broadcast the information to 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.640 the general public, but others are more like there's a network, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.200 like a kind of a network of friends like you 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.919 would have on Twitter, where just people within that network 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.680 can see where you are at any given time. Yeah, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.680 I mean there are there are other devices too. There 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.359 aren't phones like the Spark Nano from Lightning gps UM. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.160 It's a little gadget. It's about size of nine volt battery. Um. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.120 It cost two and forty five dollars a month for 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.280 the service, which is probably the expensive thing you were 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.800 talking about. Uh, And this this actually got a lot 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.359 of press. I saw lots and lots of articles about 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.080 this one. Must have good pr folks anyway, UM, basically, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.360 what it does is it, you know, lets you track somebody. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.400 You sign up for it and it sends information back 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.360 to the service and says, hey, this person is at 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.080 this location. UM. One application you could use this for 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.320 is say you had a student latchkey kid. Uh, you know, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.840 your son or daughter, and you wanted to know are 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.560 they gonna be okay? You know, are they going to 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.840 make it home because they're walking home, They're gonna let 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.200 themselves in when they get there. Well, it actually will 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.080 tell you if they hit the safe zone. So you 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:35.200 can designate this location, this GPS location as a safety zone. UM, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.080 and it will Basically you can go on the website 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.960 and go, oh yeah, Chester made at home, Fine, everything's 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.160 all right. There is a panic button too. If something happens, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.640 it can summon help. So I mean that's the exact 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.960 kind of thing that it could be used. But um, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.640 similar devices have been used by law enforcement authorities. Sure, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.560 and uh, you know they could be attached to a 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.400 car there even UM, there are other applications to athletes 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.960 use them and their coaches can tell how fast they're 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.440 going because it's using GPS information to see, well, they 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.520 made it this far in this amount of time. Um. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.360 There's all kinds of stuff that this is being used for. Uh. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.160 And you know there are questions when the police use 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.040 it over whether or not it's a violation of privacy 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.600 and things like that. As a matter of fact, there's 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.760 a case right here in Georgia where they're considering passing 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.840 a law that would make it a violation privacy for 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.280 anybody other than like the owner of a vehicle or 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.800 you know, the police to track a GPS like that. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.680 What would Sting want with all that information? Oh, the 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.720 municipal police, the cops, you know, those people that they 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.240 have the show on TV about don't stand so close 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.480 to me. Um. But one of the for example, one 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.760 of the applications we talked about earlier that a good 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.840 example would be the Google My Location which I have 0:08:55.080 --> 0:09:00.520 on my HTC G one Google Android phone. And yeah, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.800 that one triangulates through cell towers and people can see 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.000 if they're added to your network, they can see where 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.080 you are. I don't have anyone added to my network, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.400 so I only see me. And it's kind of sad, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.280 but I know where I am, which, by the way, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.840 came in handy when I was walking around other cities. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.880 Yeah yeah, but things like bright kite, Yeah, who's fire Eagle, 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:25.040 there's They are all kinds of services out there. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.800 the thing is you can use these for, uh, for 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.839 all kinds of great social networking applications if you really 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.440 want to. I mean, you can open up your location 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.320 to the general public and people will find you and go, hey, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.679 I'm down the street you want to meet up for 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.280 a drink, And if you're willing to meet a complete 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.080 stranger who randomly said, hey, I found you through your 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.839 GPS location and I know where exactly where you are, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.200 and then of course there's a fine. There was a 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.199 boost mobile you had the where You're where you at campaign, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.080 But yeah, that was the same sort of thing and 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.160 has triangulated and sent that information to people within your 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.200 network so that that way they would know where you 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.480 were at any given time. UM. I don't know that 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.880 I would necessarily add people to mind network. I don't 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.280 know that I want people to know where I am 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.160 all the time. Uh, I'm pretty sure they don't want 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.320 to know where I am all the time, So I 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.760 don't see why they would add me, to be perfectly honest, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.880 unless they just wanted to have fair warning before I 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.280 shoved up like belling the cat. That that I totally understand, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.040 But I hope that answers your question. Really, what it 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.199 comes down to is, if the person wants to share 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.439 that information, it's easy. If the person does not want 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.520 to share that information, it probably shouldn't be looking into it. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.480 And it's not easy, and it's probably not going to 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.400 be legal, especially if this uh, this new law sets 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.480 a precedent if it gets passed, and should say, because 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.559 it is still not passed. Um, And I'm not quite 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.120 sure how you would steal a signal. I mean, what 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.600 we're talking about there is the law enforcement authorities or 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.640 private investigators or whomever clipping a GPS device to you. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.400 So I mean that's one thing. Stealing somebody else's signal. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.920 I'm not you'd have to command near the frequency. It 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.400 would only make sense if you're talking about like like 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.600 the parent of a child and you enable this feature 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.000 on a phone and the child is unable to disable 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.080 the feature. That would make sense. You know that's true, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.520 all right? Well, then, uh, I guess that will move 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.520 us on to our second email. Okay, I'm not gonna 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.080 do the warning signal this time, all right? So this 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.720 comes from Ben m Hey, guys, love your podcast and 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.320 all the things I learned on my daily walks. I 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.120 was coming home from work the other day and thought 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.000 of an issue that I thought might make a cool 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.440 podcast for you. A lot of credit cards these days 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.400 have a little square gold chip on the front of 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.160 the card. What is that for and what what does 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.160 it do that a regular credit card doesn't? As well 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.040 as a couple of years back, there was talk about 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.439 innovations to credit cards and debit cards for that matter, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.880 that stores may soon be able to scan your card 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.079 and your purchases barcodes as you leave the store and 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.960 debit the amount off your card without you having to 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.480 go through a checkout at all. Does any of this 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.400 ring a bell with something that you two have heard 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.760 of or does it make no sense at all? If 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.040 you could find anything or know anything, I would love 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.320 to hear it in a future podcast. Thanks guys. Ben. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.880 Well Ben, if you're in Europe, you've been using this 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.760 for a while, so I'm guessing you are one of 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:20.720 our fellow Americans, because over in Europe and other parts 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.920 of the world, the this is not an unusual thing 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.280 at all. In fact, it's pretty much common practice, almost 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.000 to the point now where it can be problematic for 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.079 an American traveling overseas to purchase things using an old 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.000 fashioned credit card. UM. And this this comes down to 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.040 four letters. Uh. Those would be r F I, N 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.880 D radio frequency identification and Uh. Basically, the chip that 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.560 you're talking about is UM is a little piece of 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.400 transistor material that circuits, yes, and in grace circuit that 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.120 carries material. And they can be made of a lot 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.400 of different things. They can actually have a little computer 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.840 on board, although those are you know, kind of expensive 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.400 and and they're usually found in things other than credit 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.880 and debit cards. We should go ahead and first say 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.640 that these smart chips is kind of the common term 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.840 for them. But these smart chips can be found in 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.520 all sorts of different cards, not just credit cards or 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.880 debit cards. UM. For example, Palette and I both use 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.560 one on a daily basis just to get to work 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.840 because we take the public transportation system here in Atlanta 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.720 called Marta, and they rely on something called a breeze card, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.520 and the Breeze card has the this sort of smart 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.199 chip technology in it, and that's what allows you to 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.160 go through the low turnstiles and it Uh the ones 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.840 that we have keep track of what date they were activated, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.960 and then uh others might keep track of how many 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.760 trips are on the card. But that's the same sort 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.800 of thing. It's this this technology. You put it to 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.600 a scanner, the scanner identifies the card, it knows whether 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.880 or not the card is valid, and then it activates 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.440 or doesn't at debate the turnstyle. And the Reefs card 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.080 is made of paper. So if you are in Atlanta 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.320 or if you have a transportation authority that uses a 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.440 similar card, you can hold it up to the light 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.320 and you'll see the wiring inside of it. It's kind 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.040 of it's kind of funny. Um, but that sort of 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.920 isn't exactly what you were talking about. I did think 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.760 of another application that we use every day. Both of 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.200 us use a g S M cell phone. Oh, yes, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.280 that's true, and uh those come with little itty bitty 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.200 smart cards. If you have a cell phone from a 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.560 GSM provider, uh such as T Mobile or a T 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.120 n T, you'll see they came with a big credit 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.320 card sized thing, and generally they break out this itty 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.120 bitty smart chip and they stick at your phone, and 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.120 that chip is what allows the phone to communicate with 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.280 a network. So you might think, okay, well, if I 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.320 can get a credit card that has this chip in 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.160 it and you can just sort of, you know, wave 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.280 it in front of a scanner, um and then purchase something, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.520 how safe is that? Well, if that were all there 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.960 were to it, that's not safe at all, because there 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.400 are actually devices out there that can record the signature 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.320 of and of one of these smart chips and sort 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.160 of create a copy of it. It's called spoofing. UM. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.160 And if that were all there were to it, where 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.320 you just had to spoof the signature of this card, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.080 that would be a nightmare, uh, because it would mean 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.080 that someone could easily steal someone's credit card number essentially 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:32.000 and go on a shopping spree. H. Fortunately, most of 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.200 the credit and debit cards that use this technology over 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.080 in Europe also require the user to enter a pen number. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.400 So it's the chip and pen system or pin and chip. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.960 I think, and uh, you know, the card says okay, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.920 this is this is what lets me buy stuff. The 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.000 pin number verifies it and then you can purchase whatever. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.320 So that way, if someone just were to accidentally leave 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.800 their card behind and I don't know a restaurant that 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:02.600 they frequent way too often, like me, UM, you wouldn't 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.000 have to worry about someone just picking it up and 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.200 then going out and buying tons and tons of stuff 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.520 because they also need your pin number before they could 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.360 do it. So it's actually fairly secure. It's not you know. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.520 When I first heard about it, I was like, what 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.480 keeps anyone from just copying the signal and just going 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 crazy and you know, running up and down Oxford Street 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.200 buying everything they can. I mean, that's that's the thing. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.480 It's it's ultra convenient to uh, to imagine, and and 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.840 there are some places in the United States that do that. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.600 I can think of a couple of gas companies where 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.920 you can buy gas using their proprietary smart chip UM. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.320 And there are some fast food companies I could think 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.120 of too that that read the cards UM, JP, Morgan 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.200 Chase in American Express have had smart chips in their 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.600 cards for years. As a matter of fact, the Blue Card, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.800 I remember the ads saying that that chip protects you 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.680 when you go online. I was going, yeah, but that's 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.560 an notified chip. I'm not sure how that protects you 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:59.200 when you're plugging the numbers in and your um and 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.840 somebody writes and ask I'll have to find out. But 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.240 in the meantime, UM, we're just gonna skip right over. Yeah, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.119 we're gonna skip right over it because I don't get it. Uh. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.560 The other thing to keep in mind, um, okay, so 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.320 that's ultraconvenient, and it can be very secure if you 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.760 combine it with something like a pin. But okay, so 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.119 what you're talking about, the shopping thing, you've got to 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.520 plug in. In order for that system to work. You 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.560 have to plug in an r f I D chip 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:29.000 on every single product, and that can be expensive. Well, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.080 not only that, but you also have to create, you know, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.160 build in our f I D readers, scanners and all 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.200 of those businesses. That's the main reason why we haven't 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.440 seen this in a wide range rollout in the United States. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.280 It's because it would be really expensive to replace all 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.520 that equipment, and and that's what's holding people back. That's 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.160 what's holding back. You know, the banks and financial institutions 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.080 are are really slow to adopt this technology just because 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.200 it's a huge headache to try and convert everything over um. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.320 That also means it's a huge headache for anyone traveling 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.560 overseas because we're using the old magnetic strip on our 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.760 credit cards and debit cards, and a lot of the 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.240 places in Europe have switched over so that it only 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.240 reads the smart ship. That you put the card in 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.879 a reader and it it detects the smart ship and 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.320 then prints out your receipt. Um. Well, if you don't 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.240 have a smart chip, it can't do that. And some 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.040 of them don't have the magnetic readers anymore for the strip, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:24.840 so you have to see if they have one of 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.440 those old credit card carbon copy machines in the back. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.840 But uh, I mean it's that's a that's a problem, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.399 and hopefully the United States will eventually switch over to 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.360 the smart chip technology to at least make it easier 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.000 for global travelers like you know yours truly, I like 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.719 to I like to jet set. Well, you know, if 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.000 you do like to jet set your your passport if 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.960 you get a new passport, the United States does have 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.320 a smart ship in that passport, which also freaks people 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.040 out because they have to deal with the idea that 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.480 somebody might be able to scan their identity just by 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.399 walking nearby with an antenna. And there are there are 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.200 a lot of other people who I mean, they're they're 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.200 extremes that you can take this to. Like some people 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.440 have actually gone to the trouble to have their r 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:11.520 f I d uh chips implanted in their bodies. Um. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.200 I read an article about a guy who actually keyed 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.920 his motorcycle with an r f I D chip, So 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.639 all he had to do was put his hand on 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.440 it and it would it would function as the key. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.480 He can repress the starter and it would read the 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.240 r f I D chip in his hand and know 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.200 it was him and start the engine. I just wanted 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.399 that story to end with. And then the motorcycle was 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:33.159 stolen and we now call the guy lefty. No, I 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.680 wasn't going to go there. There are also people who 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.480 see biblical interpretations of this and say this is the 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.440 you know, mark of the beast you can't do the 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.600 business with. Regardless of whether you believe it or not. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.600 It's kind of interesting to think about because you went, well, yeah, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.159 I mean if they did away with other uh, you know, 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.040 with other means of paying for stuff, and I had 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.439 to have the number implanted in me. Wow, that's kind 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.320 of creepy, you know that that you could see that 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.440 the how people would make that connection. I don't necessarily 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.879 believe that that, you know, is the case, but I 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.200 think it's you know, it makes sense that someone would 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.919 make that connection, sure, is what I said. I So 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.840 there are people, there are people who are you know, 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.840 seeing this in all sorts of different in all sorts 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.760 of different ways, and people who are making wallets that 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:25.840 are you know, basically restricting the signal from being transmitted 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.800 outside your your wallets so that if someone bumps you 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.080 with an R F I D reader that they can't 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.720 steal that information off the chip. And I have heard 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.560 that it is actually harder to spoof the information off 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.320 of the smart chip than it is the magnetic um 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.800 essentially magnetic tape, the magnetic strip that we have on 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:49.240 our cards right now. So theoretically it's that would be good. Yeah, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.320 theoretically it's easier to actually copy the technology we're using 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.679 now than it is to copy the smart chips. You 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.920