Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbo. Come for me. I'm a man,
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Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoom? And then and Tye, welcome back
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Speaker 2: ty Hildenbrandt. Joining me is always over there in beautiful
Speaker 2: New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm great, Ty, I just got the call that I
Speaker 1: will be joining the Oakland. A's okay, a piercing have
Speaker 1: a roster spot for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you play center field?
Speaker 1: I have a lot of hamstring stretching to do. Tie,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of stretching. I am good. I
Speaker 1: have uh, just a lot of excitement. We haven't spoke.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 1: We recorded what right after the National Championship game eight
Speaker 1: am after the National Championship game.
Speaker 2: That was Tuesday morning, so it's been a little bit
Speaker 2: longer than usual. This show is actually going to drop
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, January sixteenth. If you're listening to us, now,
Speaker 2: hello from the past, because yeah, Dan old habits die hard.
Speaker 2: We decided we're going to wake up early. We are
Speaker 2: recording this bright and early, nine am Sunday morning, it
Speaker 2: advance of the Wednesday posting.
Speaker 1: It's just too long between shows. It's too long between
Speaker 1: shows for me now. And this is from Tuesday morning
Speaker 1: to Sunday morning, because we're used to going Sunday morning
Speaker 1: Wednesday late afternoon, and to go from sun or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, bright and early all the way until the
Speaker 1: following Wednesday. With everything news wise, with transfers, with guys returning,
Speaker 1: with NFL declarations, with coaching shuffling all over the place,
Speaker 1: and just general news, and the fact that we wanted
Speaker 1: to recap bad predictions and our fantasy things drafts. It
Speaker 1: was too long time. It was just there's that to
Speaker 1: make up that much ground, I think as a so,
Speaker 1: even though we're putting this out later on, if something
Speaker 1: were to happen big between now and Wednesday, as we are,
Speaker 1: we're operating again in the interstellar fifth dimension, right.
Speaker 2: Right, of course, sure behind the bookcase.
Speaker 1: If Nick Saban retires, if Urban Meyer decides he wants
Speaker 1: the Toledo job, whatever it is, we have the flexibility
Speaker 1: to hit record on Thursday or Friday or whatever. But
Speaker 1: this is how we're operating as of now.
Speaker 2: And as of now, Dan, everyone is undefeated. I love
Speaker 2: that joke. It's not even so much a joke as
Speaker 2: it is a cold hard fact. We are squarely in
Speaker 2: the off season. We've got a bunch of news to
Speaker 2: get through. We are also going to review our fantasy
Speaker 2: things as well as some of our favorite and least
Speaker 2: favorite predictions from the twenty eighteen season. So we've got
Speaker 2: a fair amount to cover here, even though there isn't
Speaker 2: any football taking place. But on that note, Dan, are
Speaker 2: you enjoying the first week of the college football postseason?
Speaker 1: It's been an active one. Yeah, I listen. I I
Speaker 1: am enjoying it. We have coaches moving all around. We've
Speaker 1: got that second or maybe I guess third wave of
Speaker 1: coaching hires because of you have the mid season, you
Speaker 1: have your general December carousel, and then there's the NFL
Speaker 1: possibilities and shufflings and late firings because things didn't quite
Speaker 1: work out, and there's there's been an active few days
Speaker 1: behind us. So I am enjoying it very much.
Speaker 2: So I have to give you full disclosure here place.
Speaker 2: I was out late last night, later than oh look
Speaker 2: at you a youth. You know, I was at a
Speaker 2: game night until three am?
Speaker 1: Was it that late?
Speaker 2: Three am?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: This is what people in their thirties do when they're married.
Speaker 2: I was at a game night until very late.
Speaker 1: There's at least ten percent of people that heard you
Speaker 1: were at a game night until three am and said
Speaker 1: to themselves, I'll bet time cater swingers. I'll bet that's
Speaker 1: what that his that's his euphemism, that's his cover.
Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA. Today I've got my husky Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 2: voice on even ait that Okay, you want to get
Speaker 2: into the news first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play catch up and figure out what we
Speaker 1: care about, what we have, opinions about, what there might
Speaker 1: be repercussions, repercussions regarding we have. Okay, so you want
Speaker 1: to start with hires.
Speaker 2: I want to start with Cliff Kingsbury to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite story of the young off season.
Speaker 2: So as you know, Cliff Kingsbury let go at Texas Tech,
Speaker 2: a hard decision for them. He was a native son
Speaker 2: wasn't working out. As soon as Cliff Kingsbury hits the
Speaker 2: open market, Dan there seemed to be a pretty big
Speaker 2: market for his service. A lot of folks were interested
Speaker 2: in talking to him. He's seen by many as a
Speaker 2: very bright offensive mind, if not a potential head coaching candidate.
Speaker 2: So he eventually ends up at USC as offensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: and a lot of USC people who were very excited
Speaker 2: about this. They saw it as a bit of a
Speaker 2: coup for Clay Hilton. You know the story, right. But
Speaker 2: then then Black Monday hit in the NFL, and suddenly
Speaker 2: there were a variety of NFL openings that might have
Speaker 2: been of interest to one Clifford Kingsbury, and news reports
Speaker 2: surfaced that there were several teams, among them the Jets,
Speaker 2: the Cardinals that wanted to interview Cliff Kingsbury. They requested
Speaker 2: permission but were denied right well, and behold, here we
Speaker 2: are only a few days later, Cliff Kingsbury is going
Speaker 2: to be your actual new head football coach for the
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, so procedurally, I don't know if he resigned.
Speaker 1: There were some stories where just Lynn Swan and the
Speaker 1: athletic department then gave permission, you know, the sort of
Speaker 1: if you love something, set it free. Element of his
Speaker 1: full story. I don't know if that fully ties in,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense in my mind, I cannot believe it,
Speaker 1: and I can believe the taking a job and then
Speaker 1: immediately taking a better job thing. I get that. We
Speaker 1: saw that with on a certainly smaller scale, with what
Speaker 1: Chip lindsay taking the Kansas offensive coordinator job and then
Speaker 1: gets the Troy head coach Nanny Diaz Many Daz. For sure,
Speaker 1: it's not great, it's not pretty, it's not a great look.
Speaker 1: But in the scheme of the machinations of hiring, whatever
Speaker 1: you got to do with best for you, you got
Speaker 1: you have to, you know whatever, whether it's money, whether
Speaker 1: it's prestige, whatever. But Cliff Kingsbury going from failed mid level,
Speaker 1: mid tier Big twelve head coach, that's right, checks out
Speaker 1: big time offensive coordinator job and what we've seen of
Speaker 1: him as an offensive mine both at Texas A and
Speaker 1: M and Texas Tech. Great, Yes, that makes full sense.
Speaker 1: You'd got a young quarterback of the future, all these
Speaker 1: really interesting receivers at USC, a winnable division in the
Speaker 1: PAC twelve South. Yeah, that's I mean, he's you know,
Speaker 1: has that image of you know, enjoying the spotlight to
Speaker 1: whatever extent, like this is what a what a coup
Speaker 1: for USC. And then saying, not just will he become
Speaker 1: a high profile offensive coordinator in a big city at
Speaker 1: a big school, he's going to then leap three rungs
Speaker 1: without coaching a game, without developing any talent at USC,
Speaker 1: without sort of washing through laundering his sort of image
Speaker 1: as a winning football coach. Is now an NFL head
Speaker 1: coach for the Arizona Cardinals, all because he helped to
Speaker 1: develop Patrick Mahomes but didn't win with Patrick Mahomes a
Speaker 1: few years ago. Is that what we're basing this on. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's something. And I don't like to. I don't
Speaker 1: like to tie a lot of emotions to something like
Speaker 1: this because so much happens behind the scenes, and I
Speaker 1: do and it's tough to but I do feel bad
Speaker 1: for USC fans, who, you know, they were all so
Speaker 1: angry about the Clay Hilton era and the way it
Speaker 1: had come to pass this past year, especially later on
Speaker 1: in the season, and they're like, Okay, here is like
Speaker 1: that bright mind coming in to help revitalize things in LA.
Speaker 2: It was memorable, And.
Speaker 1: Of all of the memories we cherish of the Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury era at USC, I don't know where to start.
Speaker 1: Tile boy, whether it was like the two receivers that
Speaker 1: committed to USC because they thought they'd be coached by
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury or JT. Daniels really getting a new outlook
Speaker 1: on offense. Yeah, the fan base thinking, man, we are
Speaker 1: what are we going to do with this crazy aer
Speaker 1: rid Huh. Yeah, So Cliff's gone.
Speaker 2: Cliff is gone. He is new head football coach at Arizona.
Speaker 2: To that point, there was another college coach who was
Speaker 2: in the mix, reportedly in the mix for a coaching
Speaker 2: duty with the New York Jets. Matt Ruhle know him
Speaker 2: as the Baylor coach won his bowl game, finished what
Speaker 2: seven and six this year, did a great job with
Speaker 2: the Baylor Bears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one and eleven to seven and six, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in talks to be the Jets head
Speaker 2: football coach. Sounds like they wanted him, but he says
Speaker 2: he couldn't accept it because they wouldn't let him hire
Speaker 2: his own offensive coordinator. There's always a bit of a
Speaker 2: red flag if you're taking a new job and you
Speaker 2: want to put yourself in the best position to succeed.
Speaker 2: He said, quote, I'm never going to be in an
Speaker 2: arranged marriage I'm never going to subcontract jobs to the
Speaker 2: offense and defense, and so they always want to hire
Speaker 2: people that believe what I believe right and that are
Speaker 2: going to do things our way, which makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I understand what the Jets are doing.
Speaker 2: I like Matt Ruhle, I'm not sure if he's necessarily
Speaker 2: like the guy that you want. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: Adam Gazes is the guy that you want either. But
Speaker 2: the Jets haven't won a playoff game in about fifteen years,
Speaker 2: so whatever their process is for finding and identifying and
Speaker 2: hiring new head coaching talent, their process needs a bit
Speaker 2: of revision as well.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that's same sort of stupid that if you're
Speaker 1: going to take a huge risk and put yourself out
Speaker 1: there for an NFL job, that you would want to
Speaker 1: do it on your terms. Because certainly he has it
Speaker 1: good with his contract and his ability to hire at Baylor,
Speaker 1: and I imagine he will be coveted with by NFL
Speaker 1: teams and college teams should he continue to have success
Speaker 1: in Waco. So I think that seems pretty pragmatic on
Speaker 1: his end.
Speaker 2: All Right, we got a bunch of hiring news that
Speaker 2: we're going to have to rifle through. Neil Brown is
Speaker 2: the new coach at West Virginia. Your boy, Neil Brown
Speaker 2: from Troy. I'm not sure if we talked about this
Speaker 2: in the midst, but yeah, Neil Brown going to West
Speaker 2: Virginia seems like a good move. We've got Steve Sarkisian
Speaker 2: going back for a second tour of duty to Alabama,
Speaker 2: Tony Gibson going to NC State, I.
Speaker 1: Believe, Yeah, that is the report at our power, Bruce
Speaker 1: Veldman reporting that, so he of a good amount of
Speaker 1: success given where that defense was when he fully took
Speaker 1: over at West Virginia with Dana Holgerson to where it
Speaker 1: sort of evolved to developing a lot of talent, especially
Speaker 1: playing the past very well those West Virginia defenses. So
Speaker 1: NC State, you know, with some changes, hiring Tony Gibson
Speaker 1: feels like a pretty decent move. And to your point
Speaker 1: about Alabama and Sarkisian, a bit of an exodus on
Speaker 1: the Alabama staff, which is the sort of it has
Speaker 1: almost reached the point where that's a feature not a bug,
Speaker 1: where Nick Saban constantly needs the turnover and the fresh mindset,
Speaker 1: and he always has the analyst to that that pool
Speaker 1: to hire from, you know. Butch Jones is another name
Speaker 1: that you know as a rumored to you know, be
Speaker 1: in the mix for jobs outside of Alabama and within
Speaker 1: Alabama as an analyst. Who was was it Peter Tiel,
Speaker 1: the investor who believed in, like, you know, recycling the
Speaker 1: blood of virgins or something like.
Speaker 2: That to a very weird place.
Speaker 1: But maybe there's something a little more on the level
Speaker 1: about Nick Saban And it's also listened he probably churns
Speaker 1: through these guys because it's a grind working for Alabama
Speaker 1: and keeping that consistently high level program. Is because Danny Enos,
Speaker 1: who was the quarterback coach and associate head coach this
Speaker 1: past year, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's going.
Speaker 1: He goes to Miami, right Yeah, with Manny Diaz to
Speaker 1: run that offense. Brent Key, who did a good job
Speaker 1: at the offensive line. He goes to Georgia Tech. I
Speaker 1: believe he's a Georgia Tech alum. So he joins Jeff
Speaker 1: Collins there. Josh Gaddis, who I think was pretty well
Speaker 1: regarded both at Penn State as a receivers coach for
Speaker 1: Joe Morehead and then he was at Alabama as a
Speaker 1: co offensive coordinator this past year. He moves on to Michigan,
Speaker 1: where the assumption is he will help to open up
Speaker 1: and perhaps modernize the Michigan offense. So more changes there,
Speaker 1: and I think he was pretty well regarded. You saw
Speaker 1: how the Alabama receivers performed this year, so I imagine
Speaker 1: there was some part of that being his tutelage. So Alabama,
Speaker 1: especially on offense, looks to be new in terms of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Defensively, I think some of that's still
Speaker 1: in place. I know, I believe tash Lupoi may have
Speaker 1: had some of his play calling responsibilities adjusted later on
Speaker 1: in the season, So we'll see what happens with that defense.
Speaker 1: But Alabama, with Steve Sarkeesian and reportedly Chip Long perhaps
Speaker 1: also going in a new direction.
Speaker 2: Temple's new head coach is going to be Rod Kerry
Speaker 2: in Northern Illinois, so you'll remember Temple hired Manny Diaz
Speaker 2: after Jeff Collins left to go to Georgia Tech. Rod
Speaker 2: Kerrey coming east now to coach at Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Exceedingly solid, has done a very good job with Northern
Speaker 1: Illinois and at this point, you know he wins the
Speaker 1: MAC this year, yet again not a ton to prove.
Speaker 1: So I think the Temple job, as we've seen, a
Speaker 1: really nice stepping stone. And also the Temple job is
Speaker 1: just good. The Americans a really good conference, so good
Speaker 1: for him, all right.
Speaker 2: Louisville has hired Court Dennison as co defensive coordinator. I
Speaker 2: believe you are familiar with mister Denison from his time
Speaker 2: at Oregon, young.
Speaker 1: Dude linebackers coach at Oregon. He will be the co
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for Scott Saderfields and the Cardinals and comes
Speaker 1: back to Louisville.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Louisville as a coach under Bobby Patrino a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, known to be a very good recruiter. So
Speaker 1: another seemingly solid move, by the way, and under the
Speaker 1: radar move that I love. So Utah lost their offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator Troy Taylor to I believe Sacramento State. That's right,
Speaker 1: he got the head coaching job there. So they had
Speaker 1: an opening and they re hired, not just hired, rehired
Speaker 1: Andy Ludwick as somebody who roots for a Pac twelve team,
Speaker 1: thrilled by it, as somebody who wishes the Pac twelve
Speaker 1: would be more exciting and win more games. Boomed out
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of folks out there who pay
Speaker 2: close attention to college football mm hmm that look at
Speaker 2: Utah's offense and say, you know, if we're looking to
Speaker 2: reinvigorate things, let's bring in Andy Ludwick.
Speaker 1: If you look at your offense and you say, you know,
Speaker 1: we're just generating too many big plays and we're just
Speaker 1: too unpredictable. What can we do to really.
Speaker 2: A little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's yardage is so showy. Points are ostentatious, Andy,
Speaker 1: Andy lud went back.
Speaker 2: To you, coordinator, speaking of guys who bounce around. Jim Cheney, Yes,
Speaker 2: our boy. Yeah, he was the offensive coordinator at Georgia.
Speaker 2: Our joke forever has been that he's the offensive consultant.
Speaker 2: If you've got an issue at your team, at your company,
Speaker 2: if you need some offensive help for hire. Yep, bringing
Speaker 2: Jim Cheney. He's going to Tennessee to backfill the position.
Speaker 2: Georgia has promoted their co offensive coordinator and quarterback coach
Speaker 2: James Coley. Yep, So Jim Cheney to Tennessee should be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they whiffed on a number of candidates. Reportedly, Tennessee
Speaker 1: did throughout the process to come to Knoxville. And Jim
Speaker 1: Cheney is the ultimate defensive head coaches offensive coordinator. That's
Speaker 1: just like, yes he is. He shows up on time,
Speaker 1: He gets everybody in order h listen Georgia's listen. Georgia's
Speaker 1: offense was excellent last year, and we will soon see
Speaker 1: and Jim Cheney's offenses have always been pretty good. We
Speaker 1: will soon see whether that Georgia offense from twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: was a product of an extremely high talent level or
Speaker 1: just a very very competent coordinator, because the talent level
Speaker 1: on offense at Tennessee is not quite where Georgia's is,
Speaker 1: But in terms of consistency, in terms of dependability, Tennessee
Speaker 1: will have a B plus offense it looks like.
Speaker 2: And finally, on the coaching front, we have Dana Holgerson
Speaker 2: looking for a new defensive coordinator, reportedly targeting Tim de
Speaker 2: Ruter from.
Speaker 1: Cal Cal really really savvy.
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, Cal had a really good defense
Speaker 2: this year, So we shall see what the future has
Speaker 2: in store for the Houston defense.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, he was at I think A and
Speaker 1: M about seven or eight years Yeah, sure, so it
Speaker 1: does have experience in that area.
Speaker 2: So since we do have a lot of other stuff
Speaker 2: to get through. Yeah, we need to rifle through transfers,
Speaker 2: declarations and if we have a name for guys who
Speaker 2: just announced they're coming back, but them as well. The
Speaker 2: biggest news was on the transfer front, particularly the transfer portal.
Speaker 2: I need to work just a spreadsheet. It's just a spreadshee,
Speaker 2: I need to workshop that sound a little bit. But
Speaker 2: Justin Fields who's transferring away from Georgia. He's going to
Speaker 2: Ohio State, which has had a bit of a domino
Speaker 2: effect given that Tate Martel, who was the highly regarded
Speaker 2: backup to Dwayne Haskins, he has now announced that he's
Speaker 2: going to be going elsewhere. So Tate Martell's services are.
Speaker 1: And ahead of the Rose Bull. By the way, Tate
Speaker 1: Martell was like, no, of course I'm not leaving, and
Speaker 1: I Am not going to be smirch somebody for confidently
Speaker 1: declaring that they're returning and then moving on because behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, who knows what's happening. But yes, Tate Martell
Speaker 1: highly regarded from the West Coast. I think he went
Speaker 1: to high school in Nevada. He goes to Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Doesn't appear like he would be in a good position
Speaker 1: to win the job with Justin Fields and entering the Fray,
Speaker 1: so he will be moving on. I have not seen
Speaker 1: an association with any specific schools or visitations yet.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurt has at least three schools that are reportedly
Speaker 2: interested in his services Maryland, Miami, and Oklahoma. That will
Speaker 2: be one to watch for sure.
Speaker 1: Connections to the first two with Mike Laxley and Danny Andos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma is mentioned here. That's a note because Austin
Speaker 2: Kendall is in the transfer portal now as well. He
Speaker 2: was the backup to Kyler Murray. So it'll be curious
Speaker 2: to see which direction Lincoln Riley goes, Alis said, Lincoln Kennedy.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I always curious about that too.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see it's it was a late.
Speaker 1: Night Dan Listen, Swing or city.
Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see which direction Oklahoma goes
Speaker 2: for its quarterback next year. All right, who else we
Speaker 2: got Tye story in there? Case Thompson in there.
Speaker 1: Juan John ammeron speaking of Penn State, he's in the
Speaker 1: transfer transferport as well. Had a kind of rough year
Speaker 1: right with drops that would be putting it mildly Dan. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was, and he's somebody who came in. He played
Speaker 1: as a freshman.
Speaker 2: And caught that game winning touchdown against Iowa. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: future was very bright for Juan Johnson.
Speaker 1: But physically just exactly what you want out of a
Speaker 1: deep threat, just big jumper everything, but really did struggle
Speaker 1: with bringing the ball into his palms this year.
Speaker 2: All right, here are your declarations very quickly. For Alabama,
Speaker 2: we had Quinn Williams, Jonah Williams, erv Smith, Savion Smith,
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs for Clemson, Cleveland Ferrell for Iowa State, Hakeem
Speaker 2: Butler for Ohio State, Dwayne Haskins. We also had David
Speaker 2: Montgomery from Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, we all these names make sense to Yeah,
Speaker 1: jj Arthega White Whiteside, who was I think a senior,
Speaker 1: like a fourth year senior who could have come back.
Speaker 1: It's like a Notre Dame situation where you are technically
Speaker 1: not a red shirt kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have Cody Ford from Oklahoma, their offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe Kyler Murray. So may funny be Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: We record were it's nine to forty am on Sunday
Speaker 1: the thirteenth. By the time people listen to this, we
Speaker 1: will know it'll be known because the deadline I think
Speaker 1: is tomorrow as we record this, So we're in the
Speaker 1: fifth dimension and you'll know by the time you listen
Speaker 1: to this. But as of now, we personally do not
Speaker 1: know exactly what Kyler Murray's future holds. But there was
Speaker 1: a report that the A's are moving forward with the
Speaker 1: understanding that he is going to be playing football.
Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll talk about that more momentarily, I promise,
Speaker 2: and returning to school, Troy Die, Christian Fulton, MALIEK. Harrison,
Speaker 2: Zach Moss, Derek Brown, Marlon Davidson.
Speaker 1: Auburn a big winner other than Stidham, and I think
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton leaving their defense and uh yeah, mostly their defense.
Speaker 1: Real big news with who's returning with.
Speaker 2: VARs Davis, Jeremiah Dinston, Daniel Thomas yep Okay kJ Hill
Speaker 2: from Ohio State coming back, Brandon Jones from Texas huge.
Speaker 2: Who else do we got here?
Speaker 1: Any other big? Go the tight end form Maszook, you go, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: He and I think Jase Sternberger were probably the clear
Speaker 1: best and Rfsmith tight ends in the SEC. Jase Sternberger
Speaker 1: declares a few weeks ago, Big Oh is coming back.
Speaker 2: Give me like twenty seconds about former Oregon players suing
Speaker 2: Willy Taggert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's Doug Brenner, former offensive lineman, and Sam Potassi. Potassi,
Speaker 1: who is a current at least as of you know,
Speaker 1: when we're recording offensive linemen, who were two of the
Speaker 1: three guys who were hospitalized with those workouts under Willie
Speaker 1: Taggart and his strength coach Rell Odorinde. I don't know
Speaker 1: that was good.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 1: So those two players have decided to sue Willy Taggart's
Speaker 1: the strength coach in the University of Oregon, for obvious mistreatment.
Speaker 1: And there were some quotes that, you know, Willy Taggert
Speaker 1: told the team, you know, we're going to find the
Speaker 1: snakes in the grass and cut off their heads, which
Speaker 1: is not a great indicator of how things were run
Speaker 1: early on by Willy Taggart and his staff at Oregon.
Speaker 1: So they're suing them from millions of.
Speaker 2: Dollars eleven point five million to be exact, it.
Speaker 1: Was eleven point five and I think Potassi is like
Speaker 1: a meager five million. So we hope everything is dealt
Speaker 1: with and the people that should be held responsible are
Speaker 1: held responsible. The strength coach I remember, was suspended for
Speaker 1: about a month and he is now the current strength
Speaker 1: coach at Florida State under Willy Taggart. So a pretty
Speaker 1: ugly situation reaching its the conclusion that seemed like it
Speaker 1: was an inevitability.
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Speaker 1: Nice Daniel.
Speaker 2: Back in August, you and I hopped aboard the bird.
Speaker 2: We sort our way to the Great Midwest, to the
Speaker 2: Windy City as it were. Yeah, and we did a
Speaker 2: live show, our Live Fantasy Things Draft. It was smashing
Speaker 2: good fun at the Vidom Theater, had an exuberant crowd.
Speaker 2: We each picked seven selections for something that we called
Speaker 2: our Fantasy Things Draft. And what we did is instead
Speaker 2: of drafting players, we draft storylines. We draft narratives that
Speaker 2: we think are going to be discussed talked about newsworthy
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the season. I have our rosters
Speaker 2: in front of us today. We need to go through
Speaker 2: these and so.
Speaker 1: Last year, via our friends on the soliverbal subreddit, which
Speaker 1: by the way, you should join, there was grading throughout
Speaker 1: the season and not that there wasn't this year because
Speaker 1: there was Did you grade this or is this from
Speaker 1: the community?
Speaker 2: This is from the community, Dan, So here's interesting. Okay,
Speaker 2: here is my read on what happened, because all we
Speaker 2: have access to is the scoring through week nine. Okay,
Speaker 2: after week nine, you were up by an eighteen to
Speaker 2: eleven score on me.
Speaker 1: So week nine would have been late October approaching Halloween.
Speaker 2: That's right. Eighteen to eleven through nine weeks of the
Speaker 2: season is basically the margin of victory for Clemson in
Speaker 2: the National Championship. In this game, in this context, it
Speaker 2: is very difficult to come from seven points behind because
Speaker 2: what that entails is Jimbo Fisher's contract or Herm Edwards
Speaker 2: NFL mindset, or any of my items hitting seven more
Speaker 2: times than yours do or than yours did, which would
Speaker 2: have been a monumental comeback given I think, in hindsight,
Speaker 2: the strength of your roster. Yes, my best guess here
Speaker 2: as to what transpired is that people were keeping track
Speaker 2: of this. They saw that it was a blowout, they
Speaker 2: saw this was a crock potting, and they lost some interest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's the thing. We don't necessarily do this
Speaker 1: to win. We sort of do this to celebrate speak
Speaker 1: for yourself, brother, I understand. And so like a couple
Speaker 1: of your draft picks that have been graded out as
Speaker 1: what zero out of five, this is between zero and five,
Speaker 1: Zero being just never happens, five being this is this
Speaker 1: is the commonplace thing. So this is the number of
Speaker 1: weeks that oh, okay, where it's occurred. Each of these
Speaker 1: items actually occurred or was brought up in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So two of your draft picks I think are the
Speaker 1: best things ever. They got a big laugh in the
Speaker 1: Vidom theater. And I cannot fault you for taking these
Speaker 1: things because the other wonderful things I can't argue it.
Speaker 1: I really wish, though, in looking at this, that we
Speaker 1: had consistent studio hosts unable to control their touch screen,
Speaker 1: and that kills me that we didn't get more of that.
Speaker 2: So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to
Speaker 2: walk through each of our items. I am willing to
Speaker 2: concede defeat to you. I think that yours, just in
Speaker 2: terms of how many points you got, yours were stronger.
Speaker 2: But let's just do a bit of a retrospective here
Speaker 2: and look back at each of these items. So big,
Speaker 2: thank you. My first overall pick was Jimbo Fisher's contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did that include Jimbo Fisher Texas things or that
Speaker 1: was just an aside we had.
Speaker 2: I think that was just an aside that we had.
Speaker 2: But Okay, Jimbo Fisher's contract was clearly a talking point early.
Speaker 2: My suspicion is that it will continue to be a
Speaker 2: talking point for every year that Jimbo Fisher is at
Speaker 2: Texas A and M, although we might hear less about
Speaker 2: it now given the fact that he had a good
Speaker 2: finish to his season in destroying NC State in the
Speaker 2: bowl game, and also is building towards something now like
Speaker 2: you can feel the momentum with that A and M program,
Speaker 2: There will probably be less criticism in twenty nineteen of
Speaker 2: the contract compared to what we might have heard in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Oh, he says, forgetting which fan base we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think the actual misqueue here was the contract will
Speaker 1: be something that is talked about in May and July
Speaker 1: previewing the season, But in season the focus is just
Speaker 1: going to be more on is Kellen Mond developing. Is
Speaker 1: Travon Williams one of the best running backs in the country.
Speaker 1: How well did Mike Elko do getting this defense to
Speaker 1: a pretty respectable place. You know, there there are so
Speaker 1: many talking points in season that unless Texas A and
Speaker 1: M is a total disaster, that the contract probably won't
Speaker 1: come up a lot. It would have been funnier, or
Speaker 1: if there's a NFL interest NFL interest, right, it would
Speaker 1: have been funnier in hindsight if instead of the contract
Speaker 1: we honed in on the Texas things him riding a bull.
Speaker 1: But even that felt like it was over by the
Speaker 1: time the season starting.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jimbo Fisher's contract was the number one overall pick
Speaker 2: felt very strong at the time. Seems like it dwindled
Speaker 2: off pretty quickly, but nonetheless, the celebration of a monster
Speaker 2: contract in college football your first selection, so our second
Speaker 2: pick was personally my favorite, and the scores, at least
Speaker 2: the scores through week nine seemed to indicate that as well.
Speaker 2: Five times through Week nine. Strength coach with a screw
Speaker 2: loose was a prominent talking point. So before the start
Speaker 2: of the year we talked a lot about strength coaches
Speaker 2: and how presumably they had a bit of a screw loose.
Speaker 2: Of course, it came up with this item the night
Speaker 2: before we did the Fantasy Things Draft and I was
Speaker 2: giggling uncontrollably at the mere thought of just saying strength
Speaker 2: coach with the screw loose. We saw this countless times
Speaker 2: this year, I think more recently with the north Western
Speaker 2: strength coach who wore the extra medium shirt uh huh,
Speaker 2: and it was like freezing cold, didn't wear the jacket
Speaker 2: that business.
Speaker 1: So we're talking after week nine though, so you're almost
Speaker 1: fortunate that this cuts out.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. This was a really popular and.
Speaker 1: November yeah, so strong pick by me.
Speaker 2: Yes, welcome home. Scott Frost was your next selection.
Speaker 1: With a caveat, we needed to see belly button in
Speaker 1: any old pictures of him playing it in like one
Speaker 1: of those cutoff jerseys. So certainly, yes, every week that
Speaker 1: Nebraska played there was probably a reference to Scott Frost
Speaker 1: returning home to Lincoln where he played a couple of
Speaker 1: seasons worth and grew up in Nebraska. But we did
Speaker 1: need that specific picture, so in a couple of weeks early
Speaker 1: on had it.
Speaker 2: I got to give you credit for playing this one
Speaker 2: straight and being being an honest competitor in not just
Speaker 2: taking the easy points here.
Speaker 1: I wasn't picking it like you picked Tom Ernaldi tearjerker.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, this was not super fruitful, but I'm happy
Speaker 1: we got to talk about man navels part of this.
Speaker 2: Next two picks for me were Kyler Murray playing baseball
Speaker 2: and the backups are better than another team starters. Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray playing baseball was a talking point early and then
Speaker 2: very quickly diminished because yeah, his his own play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he played at such a high level. I remember
Speaker 2: back before the start of the season, and we may
Speaker 2: get to predictions this show. We may have to do
Speaker 2: it the next show because we're running short on time here,
Speaker 2: but I remember I named Kyler Murray is one of
Speaker 2: my nineteen most pivotal people before the twenty eighteen season,
Speaker 2: and at one point I said that Kyler Murray was
Speaker 2: the most intriguing player, the most exciting player in all
Speaker 2: of college football. And you gave me a hard time about.
Speaker 1: That I did.
Speaker 2: In retrospect. That seems to be one of the only
Speaker 2: predictions I got correct. This is true. We didn't end
Speaker 2: up talking about Kyler Murray's baseball because Kyler Murray's football
Speaker 2: was so damn good he won the Heisman Trophy. Now, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: the season's over, but now we're talking more about the
Speaker 2: baseball because of the NFL draft thing. It appears as
Speaker 2: if he wants to play football, which duh.
Speaker 1: Of course he talked about playing both.
Speaker 2: Of course he wanted to play football. If he didn't
Speaker 2: want to play football, he wouldn't play. He would have played.
Speaker 2: This year. He just went and played baseball. So he played.
Speaker 2: He did really well. I saw our friends over at
Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus are all in on Kyler Murray as
Speaker 2: an NFL prospect, even though he's a little bit smaller.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have plenty of talk about Kyler Murray going
Speaker 2: to the NFL, I'm sure in the coming days of weeks,
Speaker 2: but at least for the interim and as it relates
Speaker 2: to our fantasy things here, this was not a huge
Speaker 2: selection in terms of points, but again as a celebration item,
Speaker 2: this was fun at the start of the year. This
Speaker 2: is a fun little thing that announcers sunk their teeth into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting that he played so well that
Speaker 1: you couldn't even talk about the most interesting part of
Speaker 1: his background because he in the present was so excellent
Speaker 1: for Oklahoma, obviously eventually winning the Heisman Trophy, and I
Speaker 1: think we had a caveat with this that he had
Speaker 1: to be a picture of him.
Speaker 2: In a bay the baseball for me need the baby.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd set Oklahoma and Oakland, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, so there was a caveat to this specific pick,
Speaker 1: and especially after again we were recording this Sunday morning
Speaker 1: in the shadow of a recent Big twelve Air raid
Speaker 1: ish quarterback with a baseball background succeeding wildly and is
Speaker 1: perhaps the MVP of the NFL season. It looks like
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray as a football player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, good luck to him. My other
Speaker 2: pick here backups better than another team starters. That's an
Speaker 2: old classic here on the show, And I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this a little bit last night when I put
Speaker 2: this together. But now, given all the talk of this
Speaker 2: mysterious transfer portal, it feels like we're headed to a
Speaker 2: place where the twenty nineteen Fantasy Things Draft in parts
Speaker 2: unknown is going to include some combination of backups being
Speaker 2: better than the team starters. With this new mysterious transfer
Speaker 2: portal that we hear an awful lot about, I feel
Speaker 2: like that could be a really good selection.
Speaker 1: I will say this for this specific selection, which is
Speaker 1: a three pointer here through week nine. I think if
Speaker 1: we're grading this through the National Championship, when there was
Speaker 1: so much focus on both Alabama and Clemson's depth, that
Speaker 1: this is probably more of like a six or seven pointer.
Speaker 2: This is why that had more upside potential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it was I think his name
Speaker 1: is Pinkney who uh sniffed out the terrible, terrible fake
Speaker 1: field goal from Alabama. It was a Clemson backup defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Obviously we had Albert Huggins stepping in for Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of that talk of yes, isn't
Speaker 1: it great to have this much depth? If he weren't
Speaker 1: on Clemson, if he weren't playing for Alabama, he would
Speaker 1: be starting at one hundred and fifty other schools, and
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks who are transferring, the backup quarterbacks, I think
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts would be starting for many schools, but as
Speaker 1: a backup at Alabama. So yes, I think this one
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent a grower over a shower.
Speaker 2: All right on your side. So you had two consecutive
Speaker 2: selections kickers and punters taunting followed by Will Muschamp has
Speaker 2: seen the light now Here's what I don't understand about this.
Speaker 2: I trust whoever compiled this sheet, and I certainly trust
Speaker 2: the solid verbal Reddit community. Of course, I had no
Speaker 2: idea that kickers and punters were taunting this much through
Speaker 2: week nine. This is a four pointer. Relative to the
Speaker 2: other thirteen selections on this list, this would be the
Speaker 2: second best, right behind strength Coach has a screw loose.
Speaker 1: It did happen. There were moments early on during the
Speaker 1: season where and I think part of it is because
Speaker 1: college kickers and punters are sometimes so surprised that they're
Speaker 1: succeeding and making big kicks and succeeding in big moments
Speaker 1: that they can't help but to get overly excited. So yes, we.
Speaker 2: Did have this or here is my beef with this though, Okay,
Speaker 2: you taunt an opponent. Taunting is different from celebrating from excited.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna throw the red flag in this one
Speaker 2: a little bit here. I'd like to see further review
Speaker 2: on whether or not this was actually a four pointer.
Speaker 1: All right, that's fair. So if you have evidence in
Speaker 1: the first couple months of the season of kickers or
Speaker 1: punters taunting this, we hit our community is on the level.
Speaker 2: I mean someone has this. I'm certain of that, but.
Speaker 1: You just want to see in controvertible video evidence. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, conclusive. Okay, fair Will Mushamp has Seen the Light.
Speaker 1: Did not work out well for me because nobody really
Speaker 1: cared about South Carolina and offensively, they peaked with a
Speaker 1: loss I suppose to Clemson. They played a ton of
Speaker 1: close games. But in order for Will must Champ seeing
Speaker 1: the Light with a big offensive turnaround and sort of
Speaker 1: calming down a calmer Will must Champ, they just South
Speaker 1: Carolina was not in the limelight enough to get a
Speaker 1: sense of that, and there was no real sense that,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a different Will must Champ on
Speaker 1: our hands this year.
Speaker 2: All right on my side, this is when I selected
Speaker 2: studio hosts unable to control a touchscreen, which is still
Speaker 2: maybe my favorite Fantasy Things selection to date. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: did not get any points through weeks, and now.
Speaker 1: People are just not watching studio shows. This did happen.
Speaker 1: I saw this down the stretch. Yeah, no, this is
Speaker 1: definitely a two or three pointer.
Speaker 2: I still love that selection. Studio hosts unable to control
Speaker 2: touch great.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's getting easier. The technology is
Speaker 1: getting better. If this pick were made in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: it would be every probably win this thing, all right,
Speaker 1: you're probably getting a ten or eleven out of this.
Speaker 2: I also had Herm Edwards NFL mindset. Let's talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about Herm.
Speaker 1: Dan another victim of success.
Speaker 2: HERM Edwards, through at least the early part of the season,
Speaker 2: seemed to be much better than expected. Like Arizona State
Speaker 2: didn't come out looking disorganized and in disarray anything like that.
Speaker 2: They actually were pretty good. Initially.
Speaker 1: Twelve was also garbage better than expected. PAC twelve was garbage,
Speaker 1: but at times, yeah, you know, I thought, all things considered,
Speaker 1: Herme did a pretty good job in year one at
Speaker 1: Arizona State. So this is the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: would have gotten I think a little bit more attention
Speaker 1: if ASU had been a little better or a lot worse. Well,
Speaker 1: this is also such a good off season pick and
Speaker 1: just not a great end season one.
Speaker 2: You know, as you had kind of a five hundred season,
Speaker 2: don't know. And we're talking a lot about the NFL
Speaker 2: mindset and his new model for success.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were bigger picture stories within the PAC twelve
Speaker 1: Once Herm Edwards was definitely competent.
Speaker 2: On your side, you had the damn fade. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: also Dean Blandino is wrong. The Dean Blandino one to
Speaker 2: me again. We put all these together the night before
Speaker 2: our live show.
Speaker 1: Oh poor Dean Blandino.
Speaker 2: The two that killed me the most were the strength
Speaker 2: coach with the screw loose and Dean Blandino being wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing like being on a stage with a
Speaker 1: twenty foot Dean Blandino behind you. There's something special about that.
Speaker 1: And I would argue, as Fox games got bigger and
Speaker 1: bigger near the end of the season, and I can't
Speaker 1: point to something specific and like the Northwestern Ohio State
Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship game, but I would argue that this
Speaker 1: is bigger than the two points that got through Week nine.
Speaker 1: And also the fade. Somebody a team running a fade.
Speaker 1: I think we were specific about a goal line fade
Speaker 1: in a big moment on a third or fourth down
Speaker 1: before either kicking a field goal or you know, turning
Speaker 1: the ball over on downs. I would argue that this
Speaker 1: three pointer, by the end of the season was probably
Speaker 1: a six or seven pointer. Come on, teams aren't calling
Speaker 1: bad fades all the time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, and Dean Blandino
Speaker 2: being wrong. We were still getting commentary about that yes,
Speaker 2: through the end of the year, so that was a
Speaker 2: really good is he.
Speaker 1: Doing it for? I haven't watched a lot of NFL
Speaker 1: playoff stuff?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Is it just Mike Pereira for the NFL? I think
Speaker 1: that might be.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I have no idea. Okay, final three picks. I
Speaker 2: had two to close out my roster. I had announcers
Speaker 2: flubbing digital trends, followed by Notre Dame quarterback questions Daniel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like announcers flubbed more digital trends than this score.
Speaker 1: So are you getting two or three for this?
Speaker 2: It was okay, hurt a little bit of Fortnite stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, they also did a there was a piece on
Speaker 1: Game Day with Boston College when Boston College hosted Game Day.
Speaker 1: I want. I don't know if it was Gene wo
Speaker 1: Jahowski was somebody did an actual piece on Fortnite. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he flubbed it, but I'm sure it
Speaker 1: wasn't the most accurate Fortnite segment.
Speaker 2: Fortnite was really the target of this selection, at least
Speaker 2: through week nine. No points, but a celebration.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, it was there were probably story that, like the
Speaker 1: story about Nkosey Perry and being suspended for the Pinstripe
Speaker 1: Bowl because of snapchat. There's no way that was handled
Speaker 1: accurately across the board, no chance.
Speaker 2: And then the second one here, my final was Notre
Speaker 2: Dame quarterback questions only two points through week nine. I
Speaker 2: feel betrayed by Brian Kelly on this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made the right call at the right moment.
Speaker 2: He made the right call at the right moment with
Speaker 2: absolutely zero fanfare. He just sort of found out before
Speaker 2: the wake forest gained that Oh hey, ian Book's gonna play.
Speaker 1: Now, when did Wimbush come back? When did he come
Speaker 1: back for the ian Book injury? I forget who he
Speaker 1: started against.
Speaker 2: He came back against Art of State.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, Brian Kelly made the move at the right
Speaker 1: time and really betrayed your trust, betrayed the experience of
Speaker 1: rooting for Brian Kelly Notre Dame teams. I'm sorry to say, Ty.
Speaker 2: Finally screwed me over with this one. Dan, you are
Speaker 2: had some flubbed it. I was the one that flubbed it.
Speaker 2: I had zero confidence in his ability to pull this
Speaker 2: thing off without creating another tire fire, and in hindsight,
Speaker 2: he did a pretty good job. Won all their games
Speaker 2: until the last one.
Speaker 1: The big question, the big Notre Dame quarterback question was
Speaker 1: is I and Book going to throw a six yard
Speaker 1: hitch to the rights to the left? Is he going
Speaker 1: to throw a pretty well sniffed out screen. That was
Speaker 1: pretty much the question.
Speaker 2: And finally the last selection, m h overly emphatic tongue. This,
Speaker 2: according to the sheet I'm looking at, was only a
Speaker 2: one pointer through week nine. Here is where I think
Speaker 2: we missed out on points for you. Okay, it wasn't
Speaker 2: so much with the overly emphatic tongue of I loa
Speaker 2: as much as it was the mistaken tagavaloa. Okay, I
Speaker 2: heard a lot of tagavaloa. I heard tongue I looa
Speaker 2: and taga iloa in the same broadcast from brad Nessler.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of apparent confusion over how you're
Speaker 2: supposed to say this name, and apparently the memo has
Speaker 2: not reached media sources at this point. It's twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to have another year of tua. I
Speaker 2: could see this being another selection in some kind in
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen Fantasy Things Draft because they still can't
Speaker 2: get the name right.
Speaker 1: Where I screwed. This pickup was just perfectly exemplified by you.
Speaker 1: You didn't say we're going to have a lot of
Speaker 1: to a tongue of bi loa next season. You just
Speaker 1: said we're going to have a lot of Tua and
Speaker 1: that That's essentially what happened is he was so good
Speaker 1: that broadcasters had to say his name a ton and
Speaker 1: he just became tu.
Speaker 2: Tua like Pele right, a one yard name.
Speaker 1: Yes, he just became Tua. So in terms of the
Speaker 1: potential reps of announcers, broadcasters, studio hosts, whatever, saying his
Speaker 1: full name just became Tua.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Those were our fourteen selections. It's
Speaker 2: an inexact science this year. In putting together who won
Speaker 2: and lost, I am willing to concede though that I
Speaker 2: think yours most definitely got more points than my.
Speaker 1: Third straight year. I think it'd be a third straight
Speaker 1: year yeah mm dynasty and first year the dynasty, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first year that we did this, you and I
Speaker 2: argued about who won, I remember, and that did not
Speaker 2: go well for my reputation. A lot of folks told
Speaker 2: me that I was a beta male after that one,
Speaker 2: that yeah, I bullied you, that you bullied me, that
Speaker 2: you pushed me around. So last year, the Reddit community
Speaker 2: answered by actually keeping track there was empirical data to
Speaker 2: suggest and eventually crowning the champion. This year, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit of both. But if the scoring was accurate
Speaker 2: through week nine, you had such a healthy lead that
Speaker 2: there's no way I ever could have come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's I should say, because it's an inexact
Speaker 1: grading science. Next year, we are happy to announce that
Speaker 1: this will all be judged by the honorable Ruth bader
Speaker 1: Gets that's right, So any any issues that you have
Speaker 1: with this final grading next year take up with the
Speaker 1: honorable RBG.
Speaker 2: That's RBG.
Speaker 1: Excuse me?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, a fun year as always. I had hope to
Speaker 1: get to some of our favorite predictions from the twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen preseason, but seeing if you want to be accountable
Speaker 1: on another episode, yeah, let's be accountable on another episode.
Speaker 2: Kind oft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we made some real bad predictions, and I've been
Speaker 1: listening back. I was, I was scrubbing through a bunch
Speaker 1: of these episodes and I did surprised myself by being
Speaker 1: right like two out of ten times in a conference
Speaker 1: or a division or whatever. But there were some It
Speaker 1: wasn't even that there were bad predictions. It was just
Speaker 1: there were unfortunate moments where we were talking about players
Speaker 1: that we really thought were going to matter. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: good reason. We were just like man Bryce Love, and
Speaker 1: we just spent a lot of time on Bryce Love
Speaker 1: and like it was really unfortunate that he was injured
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen for a majority of the season or
Speaker 1: beat off at least, and talking about Khalil Tate and
Speaker 1: talking about Chico mcclatcher. I guess we really screwed up
Speaker 1: the back twelve. But across college football, we were focusing
Speaker 1: on players that, ultimately, because of injury, because of performance,
Speaker 1: because of just being outplayed by other players on the
Speaker 1: depth chart, didn't matter as much as at least we
Speaker 1: had figured they would. So that was kind of funny
Speaker 1: listening to like how much time we spent on like
Speaker 1: Tarik Black when talking about Michigan stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And for every prescient moment where I
Speaker 2: said something like Florida State feels like a six and
Speaker 2: sixteen to me, and you got hell for I got
Speaker 2: hell for that.
Speaker 1: You were you were even too optimistic.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: We nailed a couple which I was pretty proud of.
Speaker 1: We knew like and we'll get we'll do an accountability,
Speaker 1: we'll do it.
Speaker 2: But my point is for every time I said something
Speaker 2: like Florida State's going to go six and six and
Speaker 2: be a five hundred team, there were about four things, like,
Speaker 2: you know, Louisville could get to eight or nine wins
Speaker 2: this year, Juan pass pass, I could see six wins
Speaker 2: for Arkansas. It could happened. They might be, it might
Speaker 2: be plucky. Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were in the in the glow of July
Speaker 1: and August optimism. We perhaps we sunshine pumped a little,
Speaker 1: and so never again will we think good things?
Speaker 2: That big step back Ye're coming from Mike Leach.
Speaker 1: You know, can we pledge to like actually do the
Speaker 1: proper math or is that just too much when we're
Speaker 1: doing when we do these predictions in twenty nineteen in
Speaker 1: terms of like, no, not every team from this conference
Speaker 1: can make a bowl game.
Speaker 2: We had some mathematicians and actuaries doing the numbers on
Speaker 2: our predictions, and it does seem as if it were
Speaker 2: impossible for many of these predictions to ever come true.
Speaker 1: This is true. Yeah, we will review what we did
Speaker 1: and did not get right. Yeah, looking at even you
Speaker 1: put yours on this document in front of us, and
Speaker 1: you were a thorough and I remember, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even going to talk about the actual predictions, but we
Speaker 1: remember what we did the are we sure? Episode where
Speaker 1: we questioned conventional wisdom, which by the way, was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes we did last summer. I remember
Speaker 1: specifically saying to you and the audience like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: to a tongue of Ailoa is going to be the starter?
Speaker 1: Are we sure that just because he finished that Georgia
Speaker 1: National Championship game and championship fashion, that he's outright winning
Speaker 1: this job? And we did. Are we sure that Murray,
Speaker 1: who had a rough go at Texas A and M,
Speaker 1: is going to beat out Austin Kendall, the one I'm
Speaker 1: most proud of? There? There are we sure Shape Patterson
Speaker 1: is really good in The Savior because that turned out
Speaker 1: to be somewhat accurate that he was pretty good but
Speaker 1: was not good enough to eventually get that offense over
Speaker 1: the hump in big moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it may have been bigger than Shape Patterson.
Speaker 1: Correct, So I'm excited to do that episode again. I
Speaker 1: was already Tie so excited for Are we sure Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is going to revolutionize the USC offense and that
Speaker 1: the problems don't run deeper? And he took that from us, Tie,
Speaker 1: and I will never forgive him.
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, we've got a long off season in
Speaker 2: front of us, and we've got a bunch of preseason
Speaker 2: crow that we need to eat. So we'll do that
Speaker 2: show at some point in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: going on with us this off season. January a bit
Speaker 2: of a slower month for us as we kind of
Speaker 2: settle back into the normal rhymes and rhythms of the
Speaker 2: off season.
Speaker 1: I want to do some debriefing, Like I want to
Speaker 1: talk to people like, wait, what happened with NC State?
Speaker 1: What happened with Texas A and M What I want
Speaker 1: to do? I don't know if it's conference wise. Our
Speaker 1: Homer episodes, But we spend so much time looking at
Speaker 1: big picture and top level and bowl games and whatever
Speaker 1: that I think it's important to look at like, hey,
Speaker 1: what you know, we don't always have the time to,
Speaker 1: you know, pick a part and do autopsies of seasons.
Speaker 1: And I think for us to understand better, I think
Speaker 1: for everybody listening to understand better, we should do some autopsies.
Speaker 2: All right, we can do that, some post mortem sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right. Well, it's a long off season. Do sign
Speaker 2: up for that newsletter for updates. Dan and I are
Speaker 2: always cooking stuff up in the here. We're excited about
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. The fantasy things will again be happening in
Speaker 2: a city near you. But you're gonna have to stay
Speaker 2: tuned to find out more information on that. We promised
Speaker 2: to plan that out a little bit more in advance
Speaker 2: this year. That's our pledge to you, as your two students.
Speaker 1: We did a pretty good job.
Speaker 2: We did it. We did a good job. We knew
Speaker 2: it was, we knew the city, We knew the city.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you as always to everyone out there for
Speaker 2: tuning in. We'll be back next Wednesday talking more college football.
Speaker 2: But Daniel Yes. In the meantime, enjoy your week, enjoy
Speaker 2: your weekend, Enjoy some extra breathing room here as we
Speaker 2: now switch over to our once a week schedule. And
Speaker 2: I guess I'll talk to you when I talk to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that sounds right. This has be an
Speaker 1: exciting January, Ty, I've got that feeling for that.
Speaker 2: Go over there, Dan, I'm tied. Talk to you when
Speaker 2: we talk. You stay solid.
Speaker 1: Peace,