1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, I don't even think 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: they know they have hands. That's a direct quote. They 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: have a better chance of finding Jimmy hoffa direct quote, 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred tips after a million dollars. Funny how that works. 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Another direct quote, they couldn't find their backside with both hands. 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Altered that one a little bit. If they had held 8 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: the crime scene on day one, none of this would 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: be necessary. Sergeant Joe jackaloone And those are just some 10 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: of the quotes that I have over the last month, 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: when we talked about Nancy Guthrie, when I heard him 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: talk about Nancy Guthrie, when we're in a group chat 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: talking about Nancy Guthrie. And here's the deal. When you 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: have somebody like Joe jackalone retired sergeant NYPD taught it. 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: John Jay has his own podcast. This is not somebody 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't know what he's doing. He literally wrote the 17 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: book on cold cases. What he's watching in real time 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: is driving him crazy. You can see some mistakes or 19 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: being made, and some of these could have been prevented 20 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: if you asked the people around you, if you listen 21 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: to the people that you have put in charge of 22 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: some stuff. But we watched the video, the searches, the evidence, 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: the way it was handled. It's just been I mean, frankly, 24 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: it's been a training on what not to do. So 25 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I thought it would be impair to to bring the 26 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: man himself so that we could talk about this thing, 27 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: and so y'all could understand from our point of view 28 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: what we're seeing and what we think maybe should start 29 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: even happening today, even though it's been over a month. 30 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: So if you would please help me, welcome back, Sergeant 31 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Joe Jack Alone to Zone seven. I tell you what 32 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: I could have done a whole hour on just your quotes, 33 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: and some of them I might have had to pay 34 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: a fine, but they would have been worth it because 35 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You know. Again, I'm bragging because I 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: want people to understand your background and what you bring 37 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: to the table. But even if for twenty minutes, if 38 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: the sheriff would just call and say, hey, Joe, what 39 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: do you think ought to do? Even if he only 40 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: took two of your suggestions, it might help. So I 41 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: want you to start wherever you want to start on 42 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: the Nancy Guthrie case. The minute you heard about it. 43 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: The minute you started seeing some things that you didn't love, 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the minute you started to go hmm, that was not okay, 45 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: that wasn't good. That should never happen. I know when 46 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: I first zerote in on the things you were saying 47 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: is when they released the house. And I mean your 48 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: reaction was not only accurate, but appropriate. And I'm just 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: going to turn it over to you, Sarge. Have at it. 50 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Cheryl, I mean, listen, I know people say it's 51 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: easy the Monday morning quarterback, these things, this and that, 52 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: but so this is like investigation, one on one stuff. 53 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean, we know that the first office is on 54 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: the scene, the uniform cops off and make or break 55 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: these cases, and we tend not to give them the 56 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: proper training. But that in this case, it doesn't seem 57 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: to be that was the problem. It seems to be 58 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: the follow up investigation and the main my main problem 59 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: with this case, Cheryl, was that if I was in 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: charge of this investigation, we would have gotten to the scene. 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean the sheriff he said it the first night 62 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: or the second night, that there was an obvious sign 63 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: of a struggle inside that home. So you know you 64 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: were dealing with you know at least a kidnapping or 65 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: a murder. At that point. Homicide detective should have been 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: brought in on day one, not what we just hear 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: about it about a week or two ago. And I 68 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: would have cordered off the entire property line, and I 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: would have parked a big old THHV right in the driveway, 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: a temporary headquarters vehicle, and I would have run the 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: entire operation right from there, with a gatekeeper, you know, 72 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: writing down everybody's name who enters into that thing. How 73 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: many times have we seen this? You know, investigator show 74 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: up the next day to do a search. We have 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: pool guys showing up, We got pizza deliveries, We got 76 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: a woman letting her dog relieve himself on the porch. 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, those are the kind of things I always said, 78 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: cheronl if I had hair, I'd pull it out because 79 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: it's not the way you handle this thing. It looks 80 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 2: so bad. And I can tell you right now defense 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: attorneys is salvating at this when they had time, when 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: the arrest finally does. Because my first question to that, 83 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: you know it would be all right, produce your crime 84 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: scene log I want to know who entered at what time. 85 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: We saw the Feds the other day, entered the prosecutors 86 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: last Sunday. I believe it was Do we even know 87 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: who they were with their names on the list? Right, 88 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: because everybody who has access to that crime scene is 89 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: now subject to go to court. And they didn't. And 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: if they didn't keep a record of who entered, what 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: time they ended, and what did they do there? Did 92 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: they remove anything and what time they left? Well, shame 93 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: on them. 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: And can you imagine the defense attorney would the sheriff 95 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: on the stand, Do you have a knin, Yes, we do. 96 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: Did your canone search? Yes? Is this a picture of 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: your canine? And is the woman walking hurt? 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: All? 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to get destroyed. 100 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Not having a helicopter available because you're fighting with the 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: cops that are running it, or you know, the originally 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: we don't know for sure. They said they had dogs 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: searching in the first day or two. Okay, that's fine 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: because really the media hasn't really descended on the place 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: just yet. They might have done that, but there's been 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: no follow up with dogs. There's been no KNDA have 107 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: a dog searches, there's been nothing. Ye Mike Clinn would 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: have been taking that entire scene. And I've been calling 109 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: for weeks Sheryl, that this needs to be dropped. A 110 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: quad search needs to be dropped at a zone search 111 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: with a strip or a grid line in each box 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: five hundred yards, they said, each way, and they didn't. 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 2: The place has been trampled on, extra gloves have been left, 114 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: you name it. 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. The gloves being just thrown 116 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: around by first responders maddening. And I have not seen 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: a proper search yet. They keep saying they're searching, they're searching. 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I see FBI agents because they're wearing t shirts that 119 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: say FBI walking about three feet apart, sometimes thirty feet apart. 120 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: But they're just walking. They don't have gloves on. There's 121 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: not a grid search, there's not a zone search. This 122 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: is not a proper search. And I have said it 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: looks like an Easter egg hunt. They're just walking just 124 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: because wherever. It's not what you expected in this case. 125 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you before anybody says anything, we aren't 126 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterbacking and we aren't coming on here just 127 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: slamming because we don't know what we're doing. I'm still active. 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: I worked crime scene yesterday so this isn't something we 129 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: don't know about. We both have thirty plus years, so 130 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: we're just trying to tell you what you're seeing ain't 131 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: driving with what we got. And Joe's absolutely right. I've 132 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: said it from day one. If this were my sin, 133 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: you work it as a homicide to you know, that's 134 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: not what you have. That's just what you do. It's 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: worst case scenario. It's an eighty four year old woman 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: that we know is bleeding, and she's not one to 137 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: walk off. She's not one to disappear. She's not one 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: not to be in contact with her family. She's not 139 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: going to leave her medicine or hearing aids and everything 140 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: else behind. You have a dire situation, and Joe and 141 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: I watch clock, shall we know from the time the 142 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: family called us, we've already lost six hours. She's already 143 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: been gone most likely, So we don't know what happened 144 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: between nine o'clock at night and when they called us 145 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock the next day. 146 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, the timeline is way off in that respect. She's 147 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: been gone missing, Like you said, well, this one maybe 148 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: twenty hours that she's gone. But what the issue that 149 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: comes down to is the follow up investigation, like I said, 150 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: homicide detective's homicide, because I think they just announced it 151 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: last week that they were homicide. Now the Pima County 152 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: you know, Sheriff's homicide unit's going to be involved in this. 153 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: They should have been involved in day one, because you 154 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: deal with these as if they're a homicide, you know, 155 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: and you deal with this as everything that it's a 156 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: crime until proven otherwise. But like you said, there were 157 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: so many factors to show that this disappearance was beyond 158 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: somebody's just trying to disappear. Right, what eighty four year 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: old is going to disappear? In the medical health that 160 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: she was in, she had a walker or a cane, 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: you know, she so she had mobility issues, she had 162 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: the pacemaker, you know, you know, take it off the 163 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: watch and all of a sudden, none of that stuff 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: makes sense. Nope, this should have been stuid enough to 165 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: figure it out out. 166 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: And one of the first things that concerned me was 167 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: the blood was at the front door. This does not 168 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: seem like a door that she would go in and 169 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: out of the garage. Made sense to me. The garage 170 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: door is going to open, She's going to go right 171 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: into the kitchen, right to her bedroom. That makes sense 172 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: to me. The front door, that's formal. She ain't using 173 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: the front door. So if she's bleeding coming out of there, 174 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: or she's bleeding because she answered it and somebody assaulted 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: her immediately to take control, that made more sense to me. 176 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: But she didn't do that. She didn't do it alone. 177 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: So one of the first things you and I talked 178 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: about that we both just could not imagine this has 179 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: happened is when they released the crime scene. And I 180 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: just want to remind people we can keep a crime 181 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: scene locked down for as long as we want to. 182 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's no rule. 183 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no rule. Like doctor Jeffrey MacDonald, they kept 184 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: that house locked for decades, like twenty something years, so 185 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: we could do lock the whole street down. And I'm 186 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: taking that call from Joe. Joe's gonna tell me lock 187 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: the whole thing down, take the street, take the back roads, 188 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: whatever we need to do until we know what we're 189 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: looking at. And y'all, this is where you've got to 190 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: trust her supervisor. If Joe was my supervisor and I 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: got out there and thought, oh, she's probably just hit 192 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: her head, and she walked to a neighbor because she 193 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: was bleeding, and I'm thinking it's no big deal. Joe's 194 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the one that's got to go. Nope, let's go back 195 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: through the house. We're missing something. We don't just release 196 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: the house. 197 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you saw what happened right after they drove away, 198 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: you know, everybody and his brother was on the property 199 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: and then the boot right, so we know Brian Aton, 200 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: you know, got the pictures in the video of the 201 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: blood droplets. And I'm not being critical of the opportunity 202 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: he took. I'm being critical of the police letting that 203 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: get out there to that point that should have never 204 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: happened in a million years. 205 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: Should have never happened. 206 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: If you would have done what I had suggested in 207 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: covering out the entire piece of property, yes, shutting off 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: the streets and only letting people in and out of 209 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: the street live on that street. So yeah, it's it's 210 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: but here's the thing, Cheryl, And people say, well, that 211 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: takes a lot of personnelity, Yeah it does. But you 212 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: know what the events how this played out. You have 213 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: the mother of a famous NBC Today's Show host, right, 214 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 2: you have TMZ doing what they're doing. How do you know, 215 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: how do you not know that this was going to 216 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: be an international story. How do you not know this 217 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: and almost get like sideswiped by that? To me? To me, 218 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: that's just absolutely. 219 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if I got a call there's an eighty 220 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: four year old woman missing, I might say, well, does 221 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: she have alzheimer? Says she walked off? Has she done 222 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: this before? You know? But then when you find out 223 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: it's who's mama, That's what I'm calling you back. You're 224 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: going to call our chief back. This is a whole 225 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: different ballgame now, only because it's about to get crazy 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: with media alone. Whether you factice in bogus ransom, whether 227 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: you factor in you know YouTubers that are going to 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: camp out twenty four to seven, it doesn't matter. It's coming. 229 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: So you've got to have some things in place. It 230 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: almost seemed like all of the things that we know 231 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: are best practices, for example, telling the media we're going 232 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: to update y'all, but this is your area. Don't come 233 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: out of this area. Put it at the end of 234 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: the street. 235 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't. They didn't make a media pa Oh 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: my gosh. They did after the fact, when everything was taking. 237 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: The fact, yep, and it was too late. Then we 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: already had, like you said, the flowers and the pizza 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: and the dogs and everything else. 240 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, ups deliveries or whatever. 241 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Right, and the pool people coming and the gardener coming, 242 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: and you're just like, why are you allowing this to 243 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: happen when a we still don't know where she is. 244 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: And here's one thing I want to ask you about 245 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: when they decide weeks later. Oh, hey, you know, she 246 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: may be in this sewer or whatever it is. I'm 247 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: still not sure what it is. 248 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, the septic, Thank the septic. Thank you. 249 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: In what world do you go get a twelve foot 250 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: stick and start poking, knowing she's got children and grandchildren 251 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: watching TV? Like, we can't get a tent. 252 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: And not just that, how about we call the local 253 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: people who empty these things and drain it. If you've 254 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: got a tip that she could have possibly been in there, 255 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: or you think she's in there, you got to drain it. Yeah, 256 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: sticking a poll and see if you get lucky enough 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: to hit something. Yeah, good luck with that. 258 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah that was horrible. And here's the other thing. Where's 259 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: her phone? Put her phone over it, see if it 260 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: connects to the pacemaker. I mean, there's a thousand things 261 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: we can do. But yet you're saying she's being hell hostage. 262 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: We believe we're going to get her back. We think 263 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: they've got her, We have hope. I mean the sheriff 264 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: flat said, I think she's still alive. Yet you've got 265 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: a helicopter that everybody can see flying real load trying 266 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: to connect to that pacemaker. It don't seem like you 267 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: think she's alive. So some of what he said and 268 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: some of what he did that wasn't checking out either. 269 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: And I know you were going crazy with some of 270 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: his statements that should have never been made. 271 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well listen, from day one, he should have never 272 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: been in front of that podium. I mean, you have 273 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: a major investigation going on like this. I'm tired of 274 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: seeing the chiefs, the executives, you know, wherever they are, 275 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: police commissions, whatever their department calls, standing in the front 276 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: telling everybody what's going on, especially during the first few 277 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: hours of investigation, because, as you know, Cheryl, these things 278 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: change so quickly and then there's nobody to walk you back. 279 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: That's why we have public information offices. That's why you 280 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: use it. That sogeant, lieutenant, whoever, who's trained on how 281 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: to deal with the media, because if you notice, he 282 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: learned his lesson because then he'd stopped giving press conferences 283 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: and he was only giving Now he's only giving these 284 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: one on one interviews. Nice controlled kind of atmosphere or whatever. 285 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: It looks, it's a bad look. The optics are terrible 286 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: on it. Him going to the basketball game, terrible optics. 287 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: I understand, I understand he wants to break this and that, 288 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: but you know what, I would have taken a break too, 289 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: but it would have been in my living room, not 290 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: in public, because, like I said, this is a this 291 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: is an international story. 292 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: You know, whether it's Savannah Guthrie or not. I don't 293 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: know a family that would have a missing person, missing 294 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: person presumed dead, at the very least missing person in 295 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: grave danger and they look up and see you at 296 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: a basketball game. Sorry, there's no way to make that better. 297 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: And the other message that it's sending is he don't 298 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: trust his people, and that, to me is one of 299 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: those things if you put somebody in that role, let 300 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: them do their job. Number one, it's to protect you. 301 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: It's to protect the investigation so that you're not saying, hey, 302 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: there were no tire tracks in the driveway, and then 303 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: we can see tire tracks. We got everything we needed 304 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: at the house, and then Brian Innton shows this, well 305 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: they didn't. The flowers are still there, that blood is 306 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: still there. I mean, it's just it's unfortunate, but it's 307 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: a great lesson. But what I'm watching and I think 308 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: you have nailed it when we've been talking, but you're 309 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: watching an investigation that at this point can't be successful. 310 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: To me, I guess the best analogy for the audience 311 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: who's never done this is it's more like this whack 312 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: a mole strategy where you know, all right, well we 313 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: have DNA, No, we don't have DNA. Oh we found 314 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: the gloves two and a half miles away. But it 315 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. It just keeps on going on and 316 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: on and on. And meanwhile, you know, even this morning, 317 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: I sent out a message and just you know, I said, 318 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: does anybody know if the PMA County Sheriff's Department in 319 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: the surrounding counties are doing prison at debriefings? And someone 320 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: asked me, like, what does that mean? And I said, 321 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: and I explained it. And the prison of the briefing 322 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: is at intake when you're bringing people in who've been arrested. 323 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: Are you talking to them and asking them questions if 324 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: they know anything about the case, because you know what, 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: you never know who's heard a rumor or heard a 326 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: whisper that they might now want to make a deal 327 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: and get the DA involved in this stuff. I mean, 328 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: this is how you develop your own case. You don't 329 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: sit back and hope that the DNA comes back because 330 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: we've already seen what happens with the DNA and the 331 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: issue that comes back to just because you find DNA 332 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: in the house, that doesn't mean that's the person who 333 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 2: killed it, all right, unless you have something totally specific 334 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: where his blood is mixed with her blood. All right, 335 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: now we're talking. But you know what, it's really sad 336 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: because I think it could have been handled a lot better. 337 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: Well, here's the other issue I have. The lack of communication. 338 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: So sometimes he's talking too much, sometimes he ain't talking 339 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: at all. And one of the biggest issues that I 340 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: have is you take the car belonging to Savannah's sister Aim. 341 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: Now I've processed thousands of cars. It don't take three days. 342 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: Why in the world have they had it over three weeks? 343 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: So it makes people think, oh, man, there's got to 344 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: be something tied to that car. There's no way that 345 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: would keep the car that long. So now suspicion is 346 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: put on the family. You know, suspicion is on the 347 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: family because people are now asking you about it, and 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: instead of saying, we're done with the cars, she's getting 349 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. We didn't know if the person went to 350 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: their house, touched their car, touched their doorknob. We didn't 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: know who all might be in danger. We don't know 352 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: why this family was targeted. Just say that, but they 353 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: won't say it. He dances around it, and this says, 354 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: the family has been completely cleared, but you still have 355 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: their car. 356 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, actions and what he says have been totally two 357 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: different things, and you're right holding onto the car lit 358 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: to so much extra speculation, not including some major you know, 359 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: media personnel accusing certain individuals of being responsible for the crime. 360 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: I could tell you right now, Cheryl, if I was 361 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: running this investigation and I had someone do this to me, 362 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'd lose my mind. I really would, 363 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: because it's not helpful to an investigation to do that, 364 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: especially in today's a day and age with the social 365 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: media and the true crime communities that you have so 366 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 2: many that are good, and you have a couple that 367 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: just like run with these crazy theories, and now you 368 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: have to deal with all of these phone calls and 369 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: all the other things going in. I always say every 370 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: day I said, thank God I didn't have to deal 371 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: with this kind of behavior when I was doing this stuff. 372 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: But the issue that comes down to is it's these 373 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: kind of things aren't helpful and soft in some of 374 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: these cases are tough enough that we don't need any 375 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: of this outside influence to try to, you know, really 376 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: muddy up the waters. But yeah, it was a bad 377 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: look to start off talking to the press. He got 378 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: beat up because he said some things he's probably should 379 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: and said. And then even even after the fact, he 380 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: made some comments like, well, listen, it could take a 381 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: month to year, right, even said it could take up 382 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: to a year to figure this out. That was a 383 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: very good statement that he made. And the list just 384 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: goes on and on. 385 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: What about the two stops. You're going to stop these 386 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: two people, You're going to serve a wart on their house. 387 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: You're going to also towe their car and not give 388 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: it back, and then nothing. 389 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a suggestion. Here's a suggestion. Right, do not 390 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: tell people you have a person of interest in custody 391 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: until they are. I mean, so you're doing your police work. 392 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: You might have some information based on a working tip. 393 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: You might have scooped them up off the street, but 394 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: you still don't know what you got. And that's why 395 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: you don't say anything. And it didn't happen once, it 396 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: happened twice. 397 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: But Joe, for me and you, if we were just 398 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: sitting at a coffee shop having coffee, and I said 399 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: to you, Sarge, how many times have you had a 400 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: burglary gone wrong? And when you caught the guy he 401 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: owned a seventy thousand dollars car. Because I can take 402 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: in forty four years, that's never happened to me. So 403 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: when they were concentrating on that, I'm like, what in 404 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: the world. And it's pulled straight in under a street light. 405 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: Criminals back in as far away from light as they can, 406 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: even if they're legitimately going to Walmart. They don't pull 407 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: straight in under a street light. And I'm like, this 408 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: has got a tag. This is his car. He's saying 409 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: it's his car. People are validating, Yep, that's his car. 410 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: So why would he burglarize this woman, which never felt 411 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: like a burglary to me, because why would an eighty 412 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: four year old woman have to bleed if she wakes 413 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: up and screams run out of there. 414 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: And you also have to question bringing bringing the media 415 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: along with you on one of the initial. 416 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: Arrests, right, and bringing the media along, Yep. 417 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing? I mean, this isn't 418 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: live television, This isn't this isn't for people's entertainment. So 419 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: not only that, but you're you're giving indications to the 420 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: people who really did it that you're incompetent, that you 421 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing. And people say, well, maybe 422 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: it's all a sub diffuse that doing this on purpose. No, 423 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: you're not wasting this kind of man power and money 424 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: and time while this woman is is not around. You 425 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: don't you're not playing games. The police guys don't play 426 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: games with this stuff. People's lives are on the line. 427 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: This isn't you know, this isn't a car accident. This 428 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: is this is real life kind of life and death situations. 429 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: So yet no, they don't play games with that. 430 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: So Sarge, if they called you today and there was 431 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: some way you could go and take over, How do 432 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: you repair it and how do you investigate today going forward? 433 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: What would you do if you could? 434 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: First thing I'd do is call up the FBI and say, listen, 435 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: new sheriff in town, literally and figuratively. So let's let's 436 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: get back on to this they Let's put together all 437 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: the people who had nieces of this puzzle from the 438 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: very beginning, and let's start debriefing our own people. Let's 439 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: get let's get those reports out. Let's get a fresh 440 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: set of eyes on some of the things that were 441 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: already written down. Let's go through the tips again, Let's 442 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: go through everything we have. That would be my very 443 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: first step, because it's not a cold case, but you 444 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: would treat it like one, meaning you go through everything 445 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: you already have, and then of course to think of 446 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: some proactive things. Like I said before, the briefing prisoners 447 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: and inmates, going to the different counties to find out 448 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: if they had any similar cases where they might have 449 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: been pushing robberies that that that targeted elderly people. Right, 450 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: we have no idea the reason why that motive. We 451 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: have no reason, We have no understanding of why this 452 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: was done yet, and we might never find out out 453 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: but the issue that comes down to, there are things 454 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: that can be done right this minute to put the 455 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: ship back on its right course. 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: So when they started talking all about the ransom, and 457 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: I think you and I pretty quickly publicly said, this 458 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: ain't a ransom case. It might at some point that 459 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: might have been a plan, but nobody waits three days, 460 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: nobody contacts TMZ without contacting the family. Six million in 461 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: bitcoin was ridiculous. This whole thing felt so bogus and 462 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: so fake and so deliberate just to hurt the family. 463 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: But then it seemed like the sheriff believed it. It 464 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: seemed like they were getting Savannah to make certain statements. 465 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: And then you think, well, okay, the whole silence of 466 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: the Lambs thing, Oh god, it's a pr disaster. I'm 467 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: telling you straight up. 468 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't a ransom fan from the beginning, right, 469 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: But you know, if being in charge of investigations, you 470 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: have to all right, this is what we're dealing with that, 471 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: we'll deal with that on one side, right, but we 472 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: always have parallel investigations going. Oh well, investigation would have 473 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: been a local who was targeting her because they thought 474 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: she had money and drugs in the house and you 475 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 2: look at it, the investigation going on would be friends, family, 476 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: you know, workers at tendancy, you know whatever. Right, that's 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 2: like the third investigator. These are all the people you have. 478 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: And this is a huge investigation that you're dealing with 479 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: because you now have at least three different groups of 480 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: individuals that you have to look into. So, yeah, I 481 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: wasn't a big fan of the ransom thing. As a 482 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: matter of fact, I stated publicly, if this is a 483 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: real random thing, you have to rewrite every textbook because 484 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: it is no longer you know how these things get handled. 485 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: And quite frankly, if you look at how it played out, 486 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: the thing just finally disappeared. We had we had one 487 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: scammer that was actually caught and brought to justice, And 488 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: I honestly think that it will find out eventually who 489 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: those other scammers are and bring them to justice too. 490 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah I did too. And they're all con artists, that's 491 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: all it. 492 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: Is, opportunitists. They took advantage of the situation. 493 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: No doubt, yep. And you know, early on, you know, 494 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: watching this whole thing, and you're thinking, there's a couple 495 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: things that were odd to me, and one was you 496 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: have probably one of the most recognizable media stars in 497 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: this country, yet you're not utilizing the media. I thought 498 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: that was so strange. There wasn't that normal plea, whoever 499 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: has or please return her if it's money, you won't 500 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: contact us Like that never happened. And I'm talking about 501 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: day one, Day two. I never saw the family stand 502 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: with law enforcement. I never saw the family riding around 503 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: looking for There wasn't a plea for volunteers to search 504 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: from the family. So there was some information to me 505 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: given to the family like they were being directed by somebody, 506 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: But I don't know that it was the right decision. 507 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 2: No, And you know how these things work. You know, 508 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: the law enforcement whatever is the FBA of the sheriff, 509 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, basically writes these speeches for them or coaches 510 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: them through certain things and don't want them to say 511 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: certain things because it could upset the kidnappers if this 512 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: was a legitimate you know, ransom. Listen, those things are 513 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: all kind of made decisions on the information that we 514 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: probably don't you know per se. So you know, I'll 515 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 2: hold back on that one just because we don't know. 516 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: But the issue that comes down to is they had 517 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: enough resources there in the very beginning to bear to 518 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: put the bear about finding out exactly what was transpiring 519 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: during all of this, and that means getting cell phone 520 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: records into NEET records from everybody. That means, you know, 521 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: there's one question they still haven't heard anybody answer. And 522 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: I know they were talking about Wi Fi sniffers and 523 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: everything else this morning, but weeks ago, I was asking, listen, 524 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: you don't have these video surveillance cameras on your house, 525 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: your doorbell cam, unless you have internet access in your home, 526 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 2: unless you have a router. And that router becomes a 527 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: really important piece of investigative information. It connects people to 528 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: your Internet when you get home. That would have told 529 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: us if that would have told us if somebody was 530 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: already at the house, because they would automatic connect to 531 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: that router. Right. So I've yet to get an answer 532 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: on that. You know, I always say, Cheryl, three the 533 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: three forends. Of coursemen cell phone records into that records 534 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: in video surveillance. And you didn't bring this part up yet, 535 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: but I'm going to bring it up myself. I was 536 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: so angry about how they handled this video surveillance stuff. 537 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: Oh, I have that on my list my list was next. 538 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, because I was saving that. Okay, yeah, 539 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: bring it up, because what I wanted to know from you. 540 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that frustrate me too. One 541 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: is the cell phone. I don't understand why they don't 542 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: have a list already. I also don't understand in that neighborhood, 543 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about million dollar homes, you're talking about elderly people. 544 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: You're telling me you can't narrow down cars between one 545 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: thirty and two thirty in the morning. I call bogus. 546 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: There's no way that that's not possible. That place has 547 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: like one way in, one way out. You have two 548 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: major intersections that you have to get to to get 549 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: out of there that should have video like this. When 550 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: they start telling them to help, oh, there's you know, 551 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: five hundred cars we got to go through bs Not possible. 552 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: There's no way that's accurate. But here's what I want 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: to focus on. When you first saw the video and 554 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: then what transpired after go you know. 555 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: The video was I was actually kind of excited to 556 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: the fact that they were still able to recover the 557 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: images in the video from the camera even though it 558 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: had been removed. 559 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: Amazing. 560 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a 561 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: great message to send to everybody else, saying, folks, even 562 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: if you plan on doing something like this, we're still 563 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: going to get you on video. That Yeah, I thought 564 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: that was that was great. But my first take on 565 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: this was I called the guy an amateur. Now people say, oh, sure, 566 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: you called him an amateur, but it's been you know, 567 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: a whole month. Listen, there's a difference between being lucky 568 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: and good. You know. Right now, this individual or individuals 569 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: are lucky. You know, you have somebody who I've said 570 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: before publicly that I believe that they were there before work, 571 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: whether it is, you know, to do work or what 572 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: have you, or they've been scoping out the joint. We know, 573 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: we have two different videos, or at least still one 574 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: guy with a backpack one guy without a backpack. Could 575 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: be the same guy, could not be the same guy. 576 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: We don't know because there's not timestamped. So the issue 577 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: that comes down to is you have something to work off. 578 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 2: Even though it is he's wearing you know, all clothing, 579 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: he's covered up from head to toe, but he still 580 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: has an interesting gate to himself. He walks, he walks 581 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: a certain way somebody could be able to recognize him 582 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: if they knew who he was. So that, to me, 583 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: I thought that was a very hopeful thing. Video surveillance 584 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: is really important. But they took them weeks to finally 585 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: come out and say, oh, if you have video surveillance 586 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: between January this and so they started putting a date 587 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: on it because they kind of let on, They let 588 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: everybody know that they believe that the Purp or Purps 589 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: were there beforehand. Right, this is the kind of thing 590 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: you got to read into it because they gave a 591 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: date in January. That's right way before yeah, way before 592 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: that this incident even happened. So they believe it too. 593 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: And I always tell people listen to what the either 594 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: they say in the pressers or what they put out 595 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: in statements, because cops will always tell you everything and 596 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: nothing all at the same time, and you gotta figure 597 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: out how to decipher it because they always give you 598 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: things in code. To me, that was, Okay, we know 599 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: this guy was here before and and but the asking 600 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: the neighbors for this video stuff, that's unacceptable as far 601 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: as I'm concerned. You have to you can't rely on 602 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: people to do this job for you because they're gonna 603 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: do it half assed at the best, or if it's 604 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're not paying for their service either, 605 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: and it's going to disappear in a couple of days 606 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: instead of a month or two. You need to get 607 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: You need to get that immediately. The very first day 608 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: or two of this was going on the entire canvas 609 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: of that neighborhood, asking for video all up and down 610 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: that block, because like you said, it's one way in 611 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: and one way out. Every house that goes up there 612 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: that you had to pass by to get through, you 613 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: would have gone there and asked for them and if 614 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: they weren't home, to do a follow up, not that 615 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: you put out a press release or make a statement 616 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: and say, oh, by the way, just do us a 617 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: favorite look at your cameras and see if you got 618 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: anything that you look suspicious. Right, we did get a 619 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: bunch of cameras. People send stuff. That's so we saw 620 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: it on video, right, this one guy who's throwing his 621 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: knapsack over the thing. But that's not the job for 622 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: the police that need to go out and proactively get 623 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: this stuff, not like okay and begging people to. 624 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Do it, and you know, there could be a fear factor. 625 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: Somebody may think I don't want to give them this, 626 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: and then my name's in a report, and then whoever 627 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: this person is comes to my house for revenge. Because 628 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, when I worked Zone three Atlanta, I mean 629 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: that was the most violent community in Atlanta. I would 630 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: never just go to one house and leave. We would 631 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: go to five or six, like do a little mini sweep, 632 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: so people never knew who we were there to really 633 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: talk to, and we would have a bogus reason to 634 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: talk to the other folks. But you know, I think 635 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: law enforcement in this thing, like even yes, the FBI 636 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: shows back up and they've got T shirts on again 637 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: that are like, you know, violent criminal squad. Well again, 638 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: the message that's being sent only leads for people to 639 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: Now I knew it was the cartail, you know. 640 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the same thing happened with the with the 641 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: what's the child abuse squad or whatever they were called, right, 642 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: who had the cell Bright case coming out of you know, 643 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: Andie's house. I mean that led to all kinds of 644 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: a speculation. They should have just said that this is 645 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: the only individual we have in our department that knows 646 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: how to use cell Bright. That's right, that's the reason 647 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: why they're there. I mean I took about being able 648 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: to knock go out ninety nine percent. I say they 649 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 2: could never Kno got one hundred percent of the conspiracy theorist, 650 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: but you could not got ninety nine percent of them 651 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: by just saying, folks, he is this officer is a 652 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: trained detective for cell Bright. That's why he was there. 653 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: Who cares what unity worked in? 654 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I go back to the sheriff 655 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: because there's been some folks that have come forward that 656 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: used to work in that department and some that's still 657 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: work in that department that have some things not so 658 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: great to say, and that's never a good look either. 659 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: And you know, you've got a morale situation happening where 660 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: you've got people that have been working around the clock, 661 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: no days off, and you know you've got all these 662 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: folks online. I'm sure even in their friendship circle, people 663 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: have got questions and maybe not so great things to say. 664 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: And you know, morale is an issue here because when 665 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: you are asking people, don't take that vacation, don't make 666 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: your son's birthday party, don't make your daughter's recital, and 667 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: yet you're getting kicked in the teeth. You know, that's 668 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: a tough thing to get back out there and do 669 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: more sweeps where somebody's just going to be real critical 670 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: of how you're doing stuff. And so again I think 671 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: the sheriff's time would be better spent cheering for his 672 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: folks and backing them up and doing some adible stuff 673 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: and go into the scene himself. 674 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's where he should have been on day one, 675 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: and that's why he shouldn't have been in front of 676 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: the camera. And I've been saying this for it. I've 677 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: been reaching, you know, trying to reach out to the 678 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: International Association the Chiefs the Police IACP and say, listen, 679 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 2: this isn't the first time this has happened. This happened 680 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: in the case up in Massachusetts at the at the 681 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: was a Brown University. This happens when the Charlie Kirk 682 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: thing happened. I mean, you have all these chiefs talking, 683 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 2: go to the scene, start directing people, or just sit 684 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: in that THHV and just stay out of sight and 685 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 2: get the get the personnel, get the equipment that they need. 686 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: You're there to be the person who can supply your detectives. 687 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: That's what he should be doing. Stay out of the line, 688 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: like get away from the camera. We don't want you 689 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: in front of the camera because this stuff is going 690 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 2: to change, like you wouldn't believe in the first couple 691 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 2: of hours. 692 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: And that's why I say he has no friends, because 693 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: if you and I were working together, even if I 694 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: was a road cop, I would pull you aside and say, 695 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: you don't need to go to that basketball. Okay, Sorage, 696 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: with all due respect, the optics are not good. 697 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, you wouldn't have to tell me that, because I 698 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: wouldn't have done that in the first place. I would 699 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: have Yeah, Tommon, sense has got to dictate. 700 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes, you know, we make mistakes. Sometimes 701 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: we're not thinking of the bigger picture. Sometimes you know, 702 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: we do things because whatever reason, we need to do something. 703 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: If we need to take a break, like Tom Smith 704 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: says all the time, he would have to be made 705 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: to go to lunch, like to take a break to 706 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: feed his people, he would have just barreled right on 707 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: through while everybody was starving and delirious. I get it. 708 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: They need to You got to keep the fresh horses 709 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: and be able to do And because it's a twenty 710 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: four hour thing. This is to me, this is now. 711 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: You know, they're talking about pairing back a couple of 712 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: days ago, right, the FBI, we really haven't seen them 713 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: in force. We see like every now and then we 714 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 2: see a sighting of them is like it's like almost 715 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 2: like side squatch, Like, oh my god, there's an FBI agent. 716 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: And they're all different people. The red head is gone, 717 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: the young lady with the shaved head is gone. Like, 718 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: you're not seeing the same people. We know it, we 719 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: get it. But it's also now that Savannah has left. 720 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question they're going to scale back. 721 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: I think they already have. Like I said, we really 722 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: haven't seen a full force of FBI agents in a while, 723 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 2: and I think that has to do with this whole 724 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 2: backstory about you know, keeping them out so to speak. 725 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: We don't know if it's true or not, right, nobody's 726 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: ever going to admit that publicly, but it's kind of 727 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: reminiscent of what happened in Stuffer County years ago during 728 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: the Long Island serial killer case between James Bark and 729 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: the FBI. Back then, that's right where you know, having 730 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: this dysfunction, having having the police departments not being able 731 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: to work and put things together and work in a 732 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: coordinated effort, because we see what happens when it does right. 733 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: Look where they put the task force together, new leadership, 734 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 2: and boom they made an arrest for thirteen years. So 735 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: it task forces work. But everybody's got to be playing 736 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: in the same sandbox literally in this case. 737 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: Serge, if you could say one thing to the sheriff, 738 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: what would you say to him? 739 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: Whatever actions he's got the grind with the FBI, put 740 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 2: it in the shed for now and just get this 741 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: back on track. 742 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: Sarge, Thank you so much. This has been enlightening. And 743 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: again I hope he can hear you, because I think 744 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: you're right. It can be repaired, It can get back 745 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: on track, but they need to do it yesterday. 746 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 2: Yes, I do think it can be solved, but they 747 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 2: need to get themselves together and create this task force 748 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: and work together. And you know, at certain points, I 749 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 2: you know it sounds terrible, but you wish that they 750 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 2: can prove that she either went over state line or 751 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 2: they went to Mexico so that the Fence can step 752 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 2: in and take over the case with a federal Mexus. 753 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: At this point, I'm going to end Zone seven the 754 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: way that I always do with a quote. I said 755 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: what I said, Sergeant Joe Jackalone, NYPD. I'm Cheryl McCollum 756 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: and this is Zone seven.