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Speaker 1: Greg Calesel one hour from now. You know you learn

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Speaker 1: something as a dad when you have kids. You know

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Speaker 1: you can only threaten them and their video games so

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Speaker 1: many times you have to find different things to use.

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Speaker 3: His levers.

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Speaker 1: So the Lakers get house last night, they get crushed

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Speaker 1: by Detroit and JJ Reddick's banging on the officials. Well

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Speaker 1: it's not the officials. The Lakers actually shot more free

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Speaker 1: throws than Detroit. Detroit shot sixty three percent from the field.

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Speaker 1: It was the second worst defensive performance by any NBA team.

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Speaker 1: All year, players guarded by Luca and Lebron shot sixty

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Speaker 1: eight percent. But JJ Reddick is discovering what dads know.

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Speaker 1: You can't keep ripping the kids, and you can't keep

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Speaker 1: ripping the team or they'll tune you out. And so

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Speaker 1: after the game, of course, JJ, well, I've already used

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Speaker 1: ripped the team. Lever what JJ Reddick is finding out.

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Speaker 1: He's the seventh coach the Lakers have had since Phil,

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Speaker 1: none of them lasts more than three seasons, and JJ

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Speaker 1: Reddick is now thirty one games in, trapped with a

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Speaker 1: completely utterly flawed roster built by Rob Polinka. You don't

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Speaker 1: have a multitude of three point shooters, no rim protection,

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Speaker 1: you're not athletic on the wing the last seven NBA champs.

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Speaker 1: There are things that you have to have. You have

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Speaker 1: to be at least solid defensively. That's what Denver was

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Speaker 1: with Jokic. Multiple three point shooters, athletic wings, They don't

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Speaker 1: check any of the boxes, and he's trying to pull

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Speaker 1: every lever.

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Speaker 3: But this is what Laker coach is.

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Speaker 1: They're not a viable team in the West, and he's

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Speaker 1: already ripped the team and threatened them with hard practices.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I look at this and time and

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Speaker 3: time again.

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Speaker 1: When Phil was here, the Lakers biggest issue was you

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Speaker 1: had the late Jerry West, you had Phil over the

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Speaker 1: course of twenty and thirty years. It's the buses, it's

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Speaker 1: pat Riley. You had all these smart people and could

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Speaker 1: you keep them in the same building to get along?

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Speaker 1: And the answer, you know, Riley goes to Miami. Now

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Speaker 1: you have coaches. I think Frank Vogel's pretty smart. Coach

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Speaker 1: Mike Brown, he's now doing a good job with the Knicks.

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Speaker 1: And JJ Reddick's schemes are great. You know, the Lakers

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Speaker 1: are ten and oh and clutch games this year.

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Speaker 3: Ten and oh.

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Speaker 1: But JJ Reddick can't get him into clutch games because

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Speaker 1: they get blown out because they can't guard anybody. They

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Speaker 1: also need to be younger, and it's the second third

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Speaker 1: oldest roster. The West is all about youth and multiple

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Speaker 1: three point shooters and athletic wings and rim protection, and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers don't check any of the boxes. So here

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Speaker 1: is JJ Reddick. He's like, yeah, he's officials. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Pistons are not a good three point

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Speaker 1: shooting team. Last night, I'm looking at their three point

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Speaker 1: those close games. Good teams like Detroit blow their doors off.

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Speaker 3: Every other lever.

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Speaker 1: I've seen other Laker coaches do this. They blame the roster,

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Speaker 1: looking at it, it's not when they had Lebron closer

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Speaker 1: This isn't close. Here's Reddick after frustrated with the refs.

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Speaker 4: I think there's probably a level of frustration when you're

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Speaker 1: Okay, So tonight there you look at it. And for

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Speaker 1: the TV audience. It's getting worse, so the question, and

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Speaker 1: tuning him out. It was bad, now it's getting worse.

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Speaker 1: The Zebras were terrible last night. Now Lakers shot more

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Speaker 1: free throws that wasn't it okay? So tonight Miami.

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Speaker 1: Points close game twenty seven to twenty Ohio State Miami

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Speaker 1: More people watched at least, you know, ten minutes of

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Speaker 1: college football this year than any other time. People are

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Speaker 1: I don't care how we get there in life, as

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Speaker 1: long as we get there. And for the first time

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Speaker 1: in my life, the best eight teams are left without question.

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Speaker 1: That's what I care about. You guys keep telling me

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Speaker 1: March Madness is great. Twenty teams are unwatchable. The first

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Speaker 1: round average margin of victory in March Madness is seventeen points.

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Speaker 1: But you get one or two upsets and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's Magico. It's awful blowouts in a lot of empty

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Speaker 1: afternoon arenas. I get West Coast Oregon, flashy Miami, the

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Speaker 1: the consensus number one quarterback, Ty Simpson, the underrated Southern

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Speaker 1: and next year's draft at quarterback. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about the labor. Show me the baby. I don't

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Speaker 1: care how you got there. When I'm going on a

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Speaker 1: the water in Turks and Caicos, I'm good. Show me

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Speaker 1: the baby. I don't care about the labor. Everybody spends

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Speaker 1: so much time catastrophizing the how and wha AI robots,

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Speaker 3: I look at college football. I get everything.

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Speaker 1: I get my West Coast power, I get my blue bloods.

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Speaker 1: I get the new guys. I get the best quarterbacks. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: I get the former national champion. Doesn't feel like the

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Speaker 1: Margins are quite as big this year. Miami could upset them.

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Speaker 1: Don't think they will, but they could. We have all

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Speaker 1: this mythology about how great the basketball tournament is, and

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Speaker 1: there are blowouts everywhere. Seventeen points first round. Who cares

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Speaker 1: about James Madison and Tulane. These playoffs in college feel

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Speaker 3: Playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And you know why that's good because nobody ever complains

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Speaker 1: about the NFL playoffs. The numbers show it. The audience,

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Speaker 1: and the quality. That's what I like tonight. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: West Coast blue blood new guys, old guys, best quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: some young, Some'm ready to play in the pros. I

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Speaker 1: think tonight is close. But regardless, Notre Dame was not

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Speaker 1: one of the eight best teams. They're not here. Texas

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Speaker 1: And I'm comfortable with both. Here's Joel Klatt on what

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Speaker 6: I think that Miami had the benefit of playing against

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Speaker 6: a team that was overmatched, had an incredibly easy SEC

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Speaker 6: really played poorly. They and they won barely. This Ohio

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Speaker 6: State team is different. You know, They've got absolute dudes

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Speaker 6: on the outside on the offensive side, They're going to

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Speaker 6: have a whole month to prepare. We saw what they

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Speaker 6: did in the playoffs a year ago. They've got a

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Speaker 6: best defense since the twenty eleven Alabama team.

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Speaker 1: What I'm really fascinated about, what if you look at

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Speaker 1: the bracket, you can put it up again. We had

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Speaker 1: Big ten, Big ten, Big ten versus Big Ten. Now

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Speaker 1: I don't watch bowl games anymore, not even the USC's,

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Speaker 1: people that does, I've seen highlights. We've got a little

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Speaker 1: changing of the guard in college football. Jmac, Jmack, you

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Speaker 1: how the game turn out.

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Speaker 7: I only watch the ending because, you know, just an

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Speaker 7: action play for fun. It's what was last night Tuesday.

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Speaker 7: Let me take USC TCUs quarterback was ruled out, you know,

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Speaker 7: transfer portals action and USC like up ten in the

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Speaker 7: third and twenty, just wrap up. TCU ties it on

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Speaker 7: a field goal. We go to double overtime, and three

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Speaker 7: guys totally with I mean, the announcers, I forget who

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Speaker 7: they were, were just stunned. I mean, I think everybody was.

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Speaker 7: The referee kept saying it's not over, the game's not over,

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Speaker 7: because they thought, oh, he had to go out of bounds.

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Speaker 1: He didn't.

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Speaker 7: TCU with the win. Well and Lincoln Riley, Hey, he

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Speaker 7: was taking some heat from some prominent media folks last

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Speaker 7: night online. Your boy going into next year, a big

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to take these ball games seriously,

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Speaker 1: like I want.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Notre Dame got invited to one.

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Speaker 1: They're like, no thanks, Yeah, I was told USC A

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Speaker 1: lot of these coaches, from what I'm being told, their

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Speaker 1: only reason they want to go to the bowl games

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Speaker 1: is the extra practices for their young players that don't play.

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Speaker 1: So all right, we got good stuff, very interesting. A

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Speaker 1: prominent NFL media members suggests a landing spot for Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson of the Ravens that would be really, really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Greg ho sl forty minutes from now, you know, two

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Speaker 1: year's eve, you start sort of looking yourself in the

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about these rumors about Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Why does the divorce have to be ugly? Baltimore and

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Speaker 1: And when you have a relationship that's quirky and kind

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Speaker 8: For whatever reason, Lamar Jackson just doesn't look like Lamar

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Speaker 1: a great run. Not every divorce has to be ugly.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles. Boy, that

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Speaker 1: So we've talked about this. The Rams defense is really young.

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Speaker 3: They don't need another start.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they had the early November by so they've been

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Speaker 7: What's the big deal? I don't think two or three

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 7: About AJ Brown? Have you noticed things have been quiet

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Speaker 7: Is he happy all of a sudden?

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself this? Go look at the playoffs right now.

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Speaker 1: So if you're Philadelphia, the Rams do not match up

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Speaker 1: Seattle generates a pass rush. They don't have the blitz.

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Speaker 1: all year long, we've sort of you know this, Jmac.

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Speaker 1: When you get into the playoffs, a lot of it

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Speaker 7: Interesting you think Seattle gives Philly problems.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go two overboard.

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Speaker 7: It's early, but since thereby Seattle has had East Coast

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Speaker 7: Should anybody feel like they want to get involved? All right,

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Speaker 7: Colin the Dallas Cowboys. All of a sudden, the George

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Speaker 7: negotiated Micah Parsons out of Dallas. Remember Jerry Jones had

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Speaker 7: not the agent. Well, David Mullagetta rep Dickens, and Jerry

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Speaker 7: I don't know, we'll see it goes, probably both, but I.

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Speaker 1: Certainly intend to be speaking with George and I will

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Speaker 7: Do Already starting badly.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you Ryan Flornoy, Ceedee Lamb Turpin, go draft

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the mulaghetti stuff. I'm totally into man. I love

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Speaker 7: You think Fox comes to you to deal with you

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Speaker 1: I can tell you owners would rather not deal with agents,

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Speaker 7: It's not on my bibit you know the ins and outs.

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Speaker 7: This is this guy's job. His job is to strictly

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Speaker 7: I'm meeting with my agent. We'll bring him in the meeting.

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Speaker 7: I think this has the this is a fun off

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Speaker 7: season storry now because mulliget us.

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Speaker 1: They're a legendary story where Jerry met with Michael Irvin

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Speaker 1: one time and Michael Irvin was getting older or something.

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Speaker 1: Michael Irvin came up and you know, he wanted big

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Speaker 1: money and then Jerry said, I know Texas pretty well

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna l passo on that offer or something

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 3: Is that they're a funny old story, which I don't.

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Speaker 7: Know sounds good though. Michael Irvin's got some stories. All right,

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Speaker 7: let's wrap up with college football. Let's go back to

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Speaker 7: your that's your USC Trojans Colin. If you're watching on

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Speaker 7: the screen, this is the play that just got me

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Speaker 7: last night, a dumb right third and twenty one misstackle

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Speaker 7: two and this one right, Oh my gosh, and then

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Speaker 7: he breaks it and he's gone. Listen the kid pain.

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Speaker 7: I had to look him up to see if he

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Speaker 7: was draft eligible for the Jets. Like the mid rounds.

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Speaker 7: There was a hell of a play by the running back.

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Speaker 7: He's tough man, this kid is. But this tackle that's

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Speaker 7: just abhorrent. Usc was the first Big ten loss of

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Speaker 7: the Exhibition bowlseason. They started six and oh uh oh. Afterward,

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Speaker 7: Lendale White tweeted, do y'all ever practice tackling or is

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Speaker 7: it always just about offense? I'm telling you the buzzards are, sir,

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Speaker 7: Lickin Riley seems like a nice guy. We both have

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Speaker 7: some connections there. This is gonna be the big year

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Speaker 7: for him.

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Speaker 1: He he's lost, and he's lost now two lane and

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Speaker 1: TCU and bowl game.

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't care so much of it. It's how

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Speaker 7: you lose. You can't tackle, and this has been a

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Speaker 7: problem for three years. Remember that was it the Big

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Speaker 7: Pac twelve title game against Utah where they just couldn't

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Speaker 7: make They couldn't tackle at all in that game. I

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Speaker 7: think it might have been Utah but this is just

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Speaker 7: a problem that's just killed this team. Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I don't know the solution.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I've always said about Lincoln Riley, he's

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach and the offense is always exceptional.

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Speaker 3: I don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I mean this their star running backs a walk on.

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Speaker 1: I mean he gets walk on. They have walk ons

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Speaker 1: in the old line, walk ons at running back. He

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Speaker 1: squeezes all the talent out of the offense. Jade Miyavas

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Speaker 1: should not be this good. Jade Miova is going to

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Speaker 1: get drafted next year.

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Speaker 2: He's good.

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Speaker 7: I think he's good.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, he wasn't that good at UNLVV.

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Speaker 3: So so my question is, and.

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Speaker 1: It still stands, there's a difference between being a great

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Speaker 1: offensive coach and being a great head coach. And there

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Speaker 1: are still legitimate questions on around culture building and toughness

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Speaker 1: and defense. With Lincoln running I think that's totally fair.

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Speaker 1: I think he's good at offense. I think he's very Uh.

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Speaker 1: He is obviously galvanized. Some of the players the team

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Speaker 1: liked each other. These Bowl games are kind of irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: I don't judge anything on these stupid bowl games anymore.

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Speaker 1: But I think the questions about Lincoln Riley are fair.

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Speaker 1: Is he a culture builder? Does he create toughness? He

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Speaker 1: inherited Bob Stoop's momentum and did fine, but didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: elevate it to a new level. So I think all

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Speaker 1: the questions about him are legitimate, just like the questions

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Speaker 1: about Brett Venables are Okay, he's a great defensive coach,

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Speaker 1: but what's the offense look like? And you watched Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: this year and the offense was dreadful. So two guys

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Speaker 1: who do some things very well are very good. Venables

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Speaker 1: very good with defense, Lincoln very good with offense. But

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Speaker 1: being Bob Stoops, you got to be good at both.

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Speaker 7: Is there a Mike McDaniel with here? That USC's kind

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Speaker 7: of soft like the Dolphins, you know when they have

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Speaker 7: to go to.

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Speaker 3: Not a perfect.

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Speaker 7: Setup and defense.

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Speaker 1: In Lincoln Riley's run at USC, they are number one

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Speaker 1: passing offense in college football, number three total offense. So

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Speaker 1: again I've always said this, I will defend coaches who

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Speaker 1: know their side of the ball. The Texans offense may stink,

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Speaker 1: but Demiko Ryan's defense is money every year. I know

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Speaker 1: Dimico can coach. Does he know the offense? Very well,

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Speaker 1: it's all over the map.

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Speaker 7: So is this an issue with just identifying hard nos

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Speaker 7: tough guys to get to your defense, because well, the

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Speaker 7: portal's got a billion guys in it. You're telling me

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Speaker 7: they can't go out and just handpick and say, hey man,

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Speaker 7: you want to come live in California, go to USC,

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Speaker 7: make some nil just.

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Speaker 3: We need you to tackle.

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Speaker 1: Not wearing a blindfold here. I am not oblivious to

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Speaker 1: the issues with Lincoln Riley's teams bad tackling, feel soft.

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Speaker 1: If it gets cloudy a little rain, don't they don't

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Speaker 1: show up. I think those are all totally legitimate, am

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Speaker 1: I do? I think USC donors ad former players should

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Speaker 1: be happy where they're at. No, I don't think it

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Speaker 1: should take this long. Bob Stoops want of Natty at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma year two?

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Speaker 7: That was a different era, though, Well, it.

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Speaker 3: Should be easier now I can go buy players.

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Speaker 1: It should down that fair. That's fair, Lane Kiffin? How

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Speaker 1: long did it take Lane Kiffen to win it? Old Miss?

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Speaker 7: In the SEC And by the way, are you reading

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Speaker 7: some of this Lin Kiffin stuff that's going on with

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Speaker 7: this Bowl game?

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Speaker 3: Old Miss? Oh my god, came after the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line news.

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Speaker 1: Since Lincoln Riley got to USC number one passing offense

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Speaker 1: in college football one hundred third defense, I'm watching the

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Speaker 1: same thing you're watching.

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Speaker 3: Think you.

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Speaker 1: I think your criticisms are totally valid. Just get out

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Speaker 1: of the USC Notre Dame argument. The criticisms are totally valid.

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Speaker 1: I watched the highlights last night. I Bowl games now

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Speaker 1: are backups and third string guys. But I think the

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Speaker 1: criticisms are fair. I don't think they're cheap shots. You

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Speaker 1: can't be one hundred and third in the country in

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Speaker 1: defense during your run as a coach. If you're the

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Speaker 1: number one program in southern California, that's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: It's all sorts of good defensive players in high school

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Speaker 1: in the area.

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Speaker 3: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in

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Speaker 2: neon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS

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Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 7: There's some more great football come in your way into

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Speaker 7: trust and will Holiday Bowl NOA. SFIDA and Arizona take

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Speaker 7: on SMU. It's a campus showdown in San Diego Friday

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Speaker 7: seven thirty eastern, four.

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Speaker 1: To thirty Pacific on fuck the Lebron James is shooting

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Speaker 1: sixty five percent from the free throw line this year.

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Speaker 3: Even the freebies are hard.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are statistically better when he's not on the floor,

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Speaker 1: not when he's on it. He's averaging twenty a game,

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Speaker 1: So statistically, yes, he's still viable, but it's not MJ

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Speaker 1: to the Wizards. He's still more viable than that because

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Speaker 1: it's a different era. He's in better shape, and I

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Speaker 1: will defend Lebron forever. He does more things well than

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Speaker 1: any basketball player I've ever seen. He's the most skilled

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Speaker 1: top to bottom talent, size, skill, if you add it

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Speaker 1: all up, teammate passing, he's really the best I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he passes like Magic, shoots like Bird

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Speaker 1: is quite the twitchy athlete is Michael Jordan. Not as

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Speaker 1: aggressive as Kobe or MJ with the ball in his hands,

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Speaker 1: but he's always done the league right, never gets in trouble.

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Speaker 1: But I do think I saw this this morning the

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Speaker 1: All Star voting came out. He was fifteen, and that's

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Speaker 1: actually good for Lebron and it's good for the league.

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Speaker 1: If Lebron was top two or three in voting, you'd

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Speaker 1: have a real problem.

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 1: He's below a guy that's a forward for the Blazers,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure people know who that guy is.

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Speaker 3: In Portland. Lebron has moved into the career.

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Speaker 1: Achievement stage like al Pacino, you know, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: People want to see Timothy Shallomet, but al Pacino has

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Speaker 1: the better resume, and so I think that's where we

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Speaker 1: are with Lebron. And I think this new ownership group.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Bob left the Warriors as GM because he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to move off Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 3: He loved those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think the Bus family felt they owed Lebron a

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Speaker 1: solid Let's draft Brawny, Let's give Lebron another extension. I

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Speaker 1: think they struggled with it, and I think over the

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Speaker 1: course of the last couple of years, Genie Buss is like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like, we're just not really

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Speaker 1: getting any better in the West, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: sell it to the Dodgers group. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers group is cutthroat. They have a lot more

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Speaker 1: money there. R and D with the Dodgers is amazing.

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Speaker 1: But I think the Bus family would not quite know

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Speaker 1: what to do with this Lebron, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Dodger and new Laker owners know exactly what to do.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's been great for the game, and it's actually great

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Speaker 1: for the game that he is fifteenth in All Star voting.

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Speaker 1: There is no question he's had his run. He knows it,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers know it, the new owners know it, the

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Speaker 1: league knows it.

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Speaker 3: It's time to golf. Lebron turning forty one yesterday, here he.

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Speaker 4: Is does go out, just have fun, enjoyed to arrive

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Speaker 4: because you never know what it comes to me, and

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Speaker 4: so it goes fast.

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Speaker 3: I'm solid, especially that I'm solid. I'm living to Jeram.

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Speaker 3: I'm solid. So yeah, I mean there you see it.

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Speaker 1: It's point differentials, points per game, net rating a little

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Speaker 1: bit better when Lebron's.

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Speaker 3: Off the floor.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, that's okay. You can still put Pachina in

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Speaker 1: a movie. You're just not going to drive ticket prices.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I was looking at all the playoff

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Speaker 1: teams this morning, and we still have to watch the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Niners game, and the Panthers Bucks the game. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to watch that. But Raven Steelers, I think

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Speaker 1: is very good. I'm going to take Baltimore to win,

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to cover. I think Seattle's gonna win. I'm not

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Speaker 1: very sure, but I was looking over all these teams, AFC, NFC.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to the radio audience, but I've got them all

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Speaker 1: lined up here, and I do feel like this morning

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Speaker 1: that you either have to have an elite coach, an

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Speaker 1: elite quarterback, or both to make it. There's really no

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Speaker 1: exceptions here. I do think, however, there's a spectacular six.

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Speaker 1: I think there are six coaches and that literally, I

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Speaker 1: feel like the toughest matchups in the playoffs are when

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Speaker 1: you say to me, Sean Payton takes on Vrabel, I

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Speaker 1: really don't know who's going to win that game.

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Speaker 3: It's much easier.

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Speaker 1: For me if you give me a Ben Johnson against

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Speaker 1: the mediocre defensive coach. That's why picking the playoffs is hard,

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Speaker 1: not just against the spread, it's hard, period. But I

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Speaker 1: think there are six coaches in this sport right now

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Speaker 1: that they squeeze more juice out of the roster, and

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Speaker 1: they do that by every player on that roster, or

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Speaker 1: almost every player is a about a half grade better, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Sean Payton can take a C plus guy and

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Speaker 1: make him a B minus guy. He can't do a

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Speaker 1: full grade. This is what Phil Jackson did. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: turn Brian Shaw into Derek Fisher or forget Kobe, but

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Speaker 1: he could get the best Brian Shaw or Steve Kerr

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Speaker 1: or Dennis Rodman. He could get the best out of

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Speaker 1: every player. He would squeeze half a grade out of

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Speaker 1: a player. And I think there's six guys in the

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Speaker 1: league that do it, and all except Andy Reider in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think Vrabel does it. I think McVeigh

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Speaker 1: and Shanahan do it. I think Peyton does it. Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbad does it. Mike Frabel now, I think Demico Ryans

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Speaker 1: defensively and Ben Johnson offensively also do it. I think

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Speaker 1: these six are different. And you know, I always say,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the Rams, why is the offense

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Speaker 1: this good? Stafford could not win a playoff game in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: co was drafted in the fifth round, Tyler Higby, their

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Speaker 1: top tight end most of the last several years. Fourth round,

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Speaker 1: Kyron Williams running back, fifth round, left tackles undrafted. It's

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Speaker 1: the McVeigh magic. They should not be this good. They

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Speaker 1: just take mid round offensive guys and they who has

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Speaker 1: undrafted left tackles and both Sean Payton was talking about

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Speaker 1: winning a division with Andy Reid and Mahomes and Herbert

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Speaker 1: and Harbaugh.

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Speaker 5: Here Sean Payton, we actually didn't even talk about it.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen the hats of the shirts. My understanding

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Speaker 5: is they're pretty ugly. We just didn't really talk about it.

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Speaker 5: The focus was on this week's game and the Chargers

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Speaker 5: in deceeding ramifications, really trying to educate them relative to

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Speaker 5: what's going to be important here down this stretch.

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Speaker 1: I think we have more good coaches than we've ever had,

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Speaker 1: especially on the offensive side. But you know, I say,

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Speaker 1: people think you don't like brock Purty, and I always say, guys,

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Speaker 1: the Niners passed on brock perty six times. The Niners

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Speaker 1: didn't think he was worth a sixth round pick. So

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a little small, he's been dinged up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. His arm's okay, can be a little reckless,

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Speaker 1: certainly was at Iowa State.

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Speaker 3: I mean that was the numbers.

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Speaker 1: If a team passes on a guy six times and

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Speaker 1: then gets magic in a seventh round pick, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: the coach, maybe it's a Shanahan at McVeigh, it's a

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Speaker 1: vaybel I mean, I liked Drake may a lot. Did

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Speaker 1: you really think he would be MVP this year?

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 1: How many you had that ticket? I mean, I love Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be as good with Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'd have.

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Speaker 3: A Super Bowl? Would he have multiple?

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Speaker 1: I mean even Brady's early career, Belichick was hugely influential.

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Speaker 1: By the end, Belichick and his lowsy drafting got in

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Speaker 1: the way of it. But when you start looking at

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Speaker 1: all these playoff teams that are in right now, what's

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Speaker 1: the common thread. Not all of them are big markets,

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Speaker 1: Not all of them are great with free agents, not

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Speaker 1: all of them are great drafting teams.

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Speaker 3: You got to have.

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Speaker 1: A great coach, a great quarterback or both. And you know,

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Speaker 1: because Peyton can lead with his chin and be out spoken,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to put him in that McVeigh class. Go

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Speaker 1: look at the Saints before Breeze got there, before Peyton

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Speaker 1: got there. Look at the Saints when Sean Payton was there.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Saints now that Sean Payton's gone. And

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Speaker 1: this is just it's almost underreported. Look at what he

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Speaker 1: inherited in Denver with Russell Wilson's caphit, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs in Denver back to back years

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Speaker 1: with Bownicks. Who have you don't like in a division

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Speaker 1: with Harbaugh Herbert read in Mahomes, I'm sorry, put it

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Speaker 1: up again.

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Speaker 3: The spectacular six.

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Speaker 1: There are six coaches here that they got that Phil

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Speaker 1: Jackson thing.

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Speaker 3: They just squeeze the roster.

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Speaker 1: They just and I was told this years ago by

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Speaker 1: a general manager that you can't even the best coach

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Speaker 1: in the world. Andy Reid can't take a C receiver

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Speaker 1: and make him a B receiver. He can take a

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Speaker 1: C plus receiver and move him up a half grade.

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Speaker 1: But Rashie Rice is never going to be Calvin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: You know he's Can you make Rashi Rice B plus plus?

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Speaker 1: Like Dak Prescott's really good? He's had multiple coaches. He'll

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Speaker 1: never be A plus, But I think he's a B

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Speaker 1: plus quarterback. But I do think when you give him

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Speaker 1: Cede Lambman good production in a run game. There's arguments

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Speaker 1: he's been in that A category maybe lower A, but

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Speaker 1: A so jam anybody in the NFL. I think Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson offensively feels like that Demiko Ryans and Mike McDonald defensively,

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Speaker 1: but they're really great coaches. Their magic spreads throughout the roster,

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Speaker 1: not just their side.

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Speaker 7: I think Ben Johnson will get in there if he's

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Speaker 7: not already. Kevin O'Connell deserves to be in there. But

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Speaker 7: it's interesting. So you have Peyton in there and Shanahan right,

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Speaker 7: and they have two quarterbacks in bo Nix and brock Purty.

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Speaker 7: And we now have two seasons of data on bo Nicks,

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Speaker 7: he's been good. We have three full seasons of data

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Speaker 7: on Purdy. He's played four, but due to injuries three

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Speaker 7: and Purdy's been by far better than better than Bonix.

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Speaker 7: It's not even close brock Purty over Nicks. So you

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Speaker 7: like to say, hey, when I get new information, you

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Speaker 7: kind of give a new diagnosis. Are you ready to

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Speaker 7: give the diagnosis that Rock Purdy is an elite quarterback

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Speaker 7: and better than Bnick? Are you ready to go there

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Speaker 7: with three seasons worth of data?

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Speaker 1: Well, do you contextualize like injuries and durability and athletic ability.

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Speaker 1: Bo Knicks never gets hurt.

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Speaker 7: Bon Nicks hasn't been there yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like college pro like brock Purty, multiple times. Also

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Speaker 1: Bo Knicks. I would say late game last two years

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Speaker 1: has been unbelievable. I mean, party, there's there's moments. I

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Speaker 1: mean they did win this weekend without Kittle, but when

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Speaker 1: Kittle hasn't.

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Speaker 7: And Williams, but but when.

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Speaker 1: Kittle hasn't played, Brock really hasn't been quite the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There is no individual wide receiver, tight end, running back.

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Speaker 1: You can tie that same number to bow Knicks, raight

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Speaker 1: co Sell next