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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number sixty

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Speaker 1: two Taylor Show. We're talking about hunting highly pressured deer

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Speaker 1: and joining us is one of my greatest hunting influences.

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Speaker 1: John Eberhardt. M all right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear. Now

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Speaker 1: I am particularly excited about our episode today because we've

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Speaker 1: got a guest that I've been wanting on the show

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Speaker 1: for a really long time, and that's John Eberhardt. And

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Speaker 1: if you haven't heard of John before, you've been missing out,

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Speaker 1: as at least in my opinion, he's one of the

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Speaker 1: nation's top experts when it comes to hunting deer in

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Speaker 1: heavily pressured areas. And in fact, John has written three

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Speaker 1: books on this very topic along with his son, and

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Speaker 1: I own all of them. And it was actually one

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Speaker 1: of these books, Precision Bow Hunting. But I really have

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Speaker 1: to credit with putting me on a new path as

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Speaker 1: a deer hunter. Um that's really led to me becoming

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Speaker 1: much more successful. Um. I read this book I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a decade ago or something like that, and it just

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Speaker 1: changed how I hunt dramatically, and ever since, I've kind

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Speaker 1: of been using that knowledge as a foundation for everything

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Speaker 1: I've learned upon since. So I'm excited to have John

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Speaker 1: on to talk about all those things that I learned

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Speaker 1: to Um. He's I think going to share information that

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Speaker 1: will be helpful to people in heavily pressure states like

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Speaker 1: less pressure states like Nebraska or Iowa, really anywhere. So

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great episode. Excited about it. But

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Speaker 1: before we get John on, Dan, what's new with you

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Speaker 1: in Iowa. I'm not gonna bitch about anything today. Nothing nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bitch about my job, or I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna bitch about my kids or my wife, or I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say I am blessed to have all of them.

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Speaker 1: I like your attitude. I'm gonna I'm going down the

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Speaker 1: positive path today. Well that's that's really good, um, because

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go the opposite way. So, well, I tell

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Speaker 1: you what you and Yang Man, that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: story of this podcast. It's gonna balance out. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: balance out. Yeah, I hope. So so why are you

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Speaker 1: so mad? Well? I got really excited last week because

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Speaker 1: I got a friend of mine who was gonna help

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Speaker 1: And while he was in the area, he was kind

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Speaker 1: at one of my hunting properties close by. I was

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Speaker 1: really excited about it, as you might imagine, since I

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Speaker 1: and I haven't you know, it's been like six weeks

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Speaker 1: So he goes out there to check it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for him to get to it. Pull

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Speaker 1: hopefully it just got knocked down recently. And it still

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Speaker 1: But when the farmer came through the spray the boom,

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Speaker 1: so it was a complete failure. Positive on the positive side,

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Speaker 1: you didn't destroy that farmer's piece of equipment. Well, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that is. That's the silver lining here, that

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Speaker 1: massive boom on the sprayer. Right. I know a guy.

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Speaker 1: But now I guess you're right. There's there's a positive here,

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Speaker 1: right right. It could have been worse, I guess. But

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Speaker 1: said he'd go check that maybe next week. So good luck.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. When are you checking yours? I think next

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Speaker 1: and kids are leaving the town. And then I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped. There's one deer in particular. I just want

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Speaker 1: I think he's back. I think he got I think

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Speaker 1: I got to get back over to Dan Johnson's place. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wish all of them would do that. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: got I got more good news. What's that? I don't

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Speaker 1: would like that's like good news, Dan, good news. I'm

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Speaker 1: just kidding that will be good news someday, whenever it happened.

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Speaker 1: The good news that I'm talking about is I drew

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Speaker 1: our life is coming together. We finally got our zone

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, sol plan? I want to

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Speaker 1: know about hunting high pressure? Dear, you do need to

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Speaker 1: hear about that, because you, my friend, even though we

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Speaker 1: interesting things that you can see from John's experiences that

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Speaker 1: you inviting me. Yeah, you know, me and Dan had

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Speaker 1: the fact that one of your books, Precision Bow Hunting,

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Speaker 1: was probably the greatest influence on me as a deer

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Speaker 1: how you got into deer hunting and then eventually writing

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Speaker 1: and everything, and then the books. That's really interesting because English.

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Speaker 1: apples and nice or white oaks, cake hoorns on the ground,

429
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Speaker 1: and there's some sort of buck sign in the area,

430
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Speaker 1: like scrapes or some rugs, that's a spot I'll probably

431
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Speaker 1: hunt first day two or three this season. Okay, So

432
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Speaker 1: then as the season progresses, then let's say you didn't

433
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Speaker 1: have your early season's success. Now we're getting into late

434
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Speaker 1: October maybe early November. How then, where then are you

435
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Speaker 1: going to be hunting? Uh? And I don't have much

436
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Speaker 1: during the October law because that's kind of waste of

437
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Speaker 1: time during the rut phases. What I almost key, almost

438
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Speaker 1: a hundred percent, I'm scrape areas. And typically when I

439
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Speaker 1: say scrape areas, active scrape areas, they're going to be

440
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Speaker 1: where there's some sort of foods are so like this

441
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Speaker 1: little lost apple tree or the white oaks, or you know,

442
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Speaker 1: an area where there's some sort of food source back

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Speaker 1: and heavy security cover. Um. You know. That also would

444
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Speaker 1: be a spot i'd hunted the first couple of days

445
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Speaker 1: this season, and then I would totally leave it a

446
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Speaker 1: little alone during the October law and I might start

447
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Speaker 1: hunting it again pre run, maybe Halloween shortly thereafter. And

448
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Speaker 1: it's always if I'm gonna morning hunt it, it's going

449
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Speaker 1: to be a two hours before daylight entry so I

450
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Speaker 1: don't spook anything coming back into bed before daylight, which

451
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Speaker 1: is common for mature buck and a pressured area. And uh,

452
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Speaker 1: if it's in a betting area, which I hunt betting

453
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Speaker 1: areas a lot, it'll be an all day hunt two

454
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Speaker 1: hours before daylight entry and after dark exit, so I

455
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Speaker 1: don't spook anything with my entry or exit. Yeah. So,

456
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Speaker 1: so you mentioned the scrape areas, and I've heard you

457
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Speaker 1: and your son Chris refer to these as primary scrape

458
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Speaker 1: areas as well. And it's something I've always been trigued

459
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Speaker 1: by because you hear a lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 1: of other hunters talk about this trend or there was

461
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Speaker 1: a trend maybe a decade or fifteen years ago, scrapes

462
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Speaker 1: were all the rage, and then more recently people have

463
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Speaker 1: been talking about the fact that, well, the majority of

464
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Speaker 1: of scrape use is during the night, and so a

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Speaker 1: lot of hunters are sitting over scrapes and they're not

466
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Speaker 1: seeing deer. Now, from what I understand from talking to

467
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Speaker 1: Chris and from what you just said, is that what

468
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Speaker 1: you guys are really recommending is not hunting near the

469
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Speaker 1: scrapes that most guys think of those field edge scrapes,

470
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Speaker 1: the scrapes around the open, but really things that are

471
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Speaker 1: tucked back in the cover. But is that accurate? Is

472
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Speaker 1: that is that I would never waste my time hunting

473
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Speaker 1: a field edge in Michigan. That is to me, a

474
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Speaker 1: total waste of time. I'll do it in Kansas or Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri.

475
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Speaker 1: But you want a field edge in Michigan, if you

476
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Speaker 1: want to kill a year and a half older and

477
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Speaker 1: possibly a two and a half year old buck on

478
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Speaker 1: field edges, you'll see a lot of dear. If you

479
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Speaker 1: want to kill them at your buck, you're wasting your

480
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Speaker 1: time on a field edge in a pressured area. Yeah,

481
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Speaker 1: so I'm keying on scrape barriers that are back within

482
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Speaker 1: heavy security cover and they're always you know, a lot

483
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Speaker 1: of it's not going to be in something that's just

484
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Speaker 1: solid brush. Scrape areas are always where there's an opening,

485
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: there's always some semblance of an opening, and there's going

486
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: to be multiple scrapes, and its scrapes are always put.

487
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Speaker 1: Scrape areas always where there's do activity. You know, there's

488
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Speaker 1: those that passed through that area. So it might be

489
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Speaker 1: where a couple of train features come together in funnel

490
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: deer out to a crop field that maybe you know

491
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Speaker 1: an eighth of a mile away or so, or up

492
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Speaker 1: to an oak ridge that's got acorns. So you know,

493
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: the active scrape areas are major key. I know probably

494
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Speaker 1: I would almost guess seventy of the bucks I've killed

495
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: over the last thirty years have been active. Scrapes are

496
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Speaker 1: that big of a deal. So would you hunt? Do

497
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Speaker 1: you seek out and hunt these areas during the rut

498
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Speaker 1: more often than some of the more atypical rut locations

499
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Speaker 1: like a funnel or like a dough bedding are absolutely? Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: If I if I have an active scrape area and

501
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Speaker 1: it is in an area with a lot of security cover,

502
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Speaker 1: I yeah, that's that's the main target for me. I mean,

503
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: but it's got to be haunted correctly. You've got to,

504
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna it's you know, if it's

505
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: not within a betting area, you might it might be

506
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: a morning spot, it might be an evening spot, it

507
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: might be if it's in a funnel between two betting areas,

508
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: you know, it might be a midday spot best served

509
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: for midday hunting. Uh, interior betting areas there strictly during

510
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: the rut all days. They have to be all day

511
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Speaker 1: SIPs or you're spooking you with your entry or your

512
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Speaker 1: exit one or the other. So I don't know if

513
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Speaker 1: I answered your question, yeah you wanted it, but no,

514
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: it's definitely helpful people that don't hunt scrapes. I don't know.

515
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Speaker 1: What they're about, or they're not hunting the right scrapes,

516
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: or they've screwed it up during the October October lull,

517
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: or they're screwed they're screwed up their entry times or

518
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Speaker 1: their exit times. Because grape areas just just say a

519
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: great location. How you hunted has anything to do with

520
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: how successful is the pension could be you know, pressure

521
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: the area because one little fault, you know, one little fault,

522
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: and you'll totally mess it up. And that's not the

523
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Speaker 1: case out West. I mean, I hate to say that

524
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Speaker 1: to be in because everybody, everybody thinks they're hunting pressure area.

525
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Speaker 1: You take a person that hunts in Iowa or Kansas, Nebraska,

526
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Speaker 1: and you bring him to Michigan or p A or

527
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Speaker 1: New York or West Virginia and you put them on

528
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Speaker 1: public land. I would almost that money did struggle killing

529
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Speaker 1: a two year old in season? All right? Now, before

530
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Speaker 1: we move on to some thoughts from Dan on this topic,

531
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Speaker 1: we need to pause briefly for a quick ware from

532
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Speaker 1: our partners at Sick to Gear, who have stepped up

533
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Speaker 1: in a big way to keep the Word Hunting podcast

534
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Speaker 1: on the air. Now. Last week we heard from Sick

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Speaker 1: of product category leader Dennis Zuck about sick as approach

536
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Speaker 1: to creating systems of clothing for different situations. And it's

537
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Speaker 1: a pretty unique thing they're doing there. So that said,

538
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Speaker 1: today I wanted to dive deeper into how sick and

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Speaker 1: maintains such a focus on uniqueness and innovation. So here's

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Speaker 1: dennists on that very topic. Yeah, you know, it's and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting one because where something may

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Speaker 1: sound very complicated, it starts which is a lot of simplicity.

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Speaker 1: You know, typically when we look at um problems, you know,

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Speaker 1: it all starts with a problem. And when we when

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Speaker 1: we think about that problem, we treat out. We really

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Speaker 1: try to isolate it down to it's it's its smallest,

547
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Speaker 1: smallest component, and we write what we call products concept

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Speaker 1: statements and and those are one words with a very

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Speaker 1: clear understanding of of what's missing or what needs to happen,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we evolve from there. And as you evolve,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're really specific about trying to fix

552
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Speaker 1: that problem, you know things might manifest from that. Our

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Speaker 1: fanatic jackets an example. You know, we started with a

554
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Speaker 1: problem statement of keeping my hands warm. We ended with

555
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Speaker 1: a cross it product with grunt tubes on the chest

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Speaker 1: and range finders you know, easily accessible to when you're

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Speaker 1: before the shot. You know, it started simple, it grew

558
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Speaker 1: from there. But being very remembering what was most important

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Speaker 1: and prioritizing your decisions is how we innovate. So how

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Speaker 1: how do you keep from I would measure it's easy

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Speaker 1: to fall into like the statis call? How how are

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Speaker 1: you able to think outside of the box so much

563
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Speaker 1: in a lot of these ways, in ways that you

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Speaker 1: know in that example of the kangaroo pocket, that's very different,

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Speaker 1: you know with a jet or the side sip. How

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Speaker 1: do you guys force yourself to always look out of

567
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Speaker 1: the boxer or do you? Uh? No, I think we do.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at it, there's there's plenty examples

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Speaker 1: of where you know, maybe somebody always uses a specific

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Speaker 1: camo or sympto set control or something like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: or or a specific jacket cut that they might use. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we do what we do because we

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Speaker 1: we're trying to change the industry. We're trying to make

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Speaker 1: a better product. So we challenge ourselves and we we

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Speaker 1: challenge ourselves across their own categories and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Hart as an example is you know, very inspirational

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: things he said is we were developing our glove program

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Speaker 1: was well, if they're not different, are we challenging ourselves enough?

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Speaker 1: And um, and I think that's a good statement, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's constant reminding ourselves that, um, we we're putting

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Speaker 1: this on us to to make a next level product.

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Speaker 1: That's who we think we are. So there you go,

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Speaker 1: sick of gear, constantly innovating to create next level products.

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Speaker 1: And now back to the show, it's definitely a difference.

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Speaker 1: So so Dan, then, you know, since we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this, what what are your questions for John? What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts after hearing this? Well, here's and you

589
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Speaker 1: you briefly touched on your access in and out and

590
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Speaker 1: that you're leaving these spots alone. What I want to

591
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Speaker 1: know is are you setting up in the dark in

592
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Speaker 1: the mornings, like going in fresh to to a particular

593
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: spot or have you already set your your stands up.

594
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Speaker 1: I hunt out of a an old sling a harness system,

595
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Speaker 1: so my trees are prepped. No, I never go in

596
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Speaker 1: and set a location up before I'm hunting it, you

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Speaker 1: know that that day. My trees are all prepped. I

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Speaker 1: don't leave stands in the trees. I walk to the tree,

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Speaker 1: I climb up the tree, hook up my saddle sling

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Speaker 1: saddle combination in in nine hunts, so they're all pre

601
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Speaker 1: pre prepared. I'll have about on any given season, I'll

602
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: probably have fifty trees ready to hunt. Probably will only

603
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Speaker 1: hunt ten of them during the course of the year

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Speaker 1: because obviously, if I've got trees set up on apple

605
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Speaker 1: trees and white oaks that didn't produce master fruit that year, uh,

606
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Speaker 1: they're worthless, they're not worth hunting. Or crop rotations in

607
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: the area will affect dear movements. So if the crop,

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Speaker 1: if that tree is only good years that these crops

609
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Speaker 1: support a mile wear in corn, that's the year. All

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Speaker 1: key on it. Um in years it's in beans or hey,

611
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Speaker 1: I won't so um. I have a lot of trees

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Speaker 1: pre prepped, and I don't have to go in and

613
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Speaker 1: pre prep anything during any hunt. That's already done. Now

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Speaker 1: when you say prep you are you are you talking

615
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Speaker 1: about cutting shooting lanes? Lanes are all yeah, that's all done, okay,

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Speaker 1: Because I know in Iowa, on the public land. You're

617
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Speaker 1: not allowed to cut shooting lanes. You're not allowed, and

618
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Speaker 1: you can't in some public land you're not allowed. You

619
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Speaker 1: can only go in seven days prior to the season.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know if is that a rule in

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Speaker 1: Michigan or no. In Michigan, you can go on the

622
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Speaker 1: public land whenever you want. You can't shut you can't

623
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Speaker 1: cut shooting lanes. Um, you're not supposed to cut shooting lanes,

624
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Speaker 1: let me put it that way. And in Iowa in Kansas,

625
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Speaker 1: when I've hunted out there, I really haven't had any

626
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Speaker 1: need to cut shooting lanes because I'm not hunting the

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Speaker 1: dense cover when I'm hunting in those states, because it's

628
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: not it's not necessary. And then mature bucks out there

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Speaker 1: tend to move at the same time frames as if

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Speaker 1: the rest of the herd, the rest of the deer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying the exact same, but it's not uncommon,

632
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Speaker 1: you know, to have a come through it, you know,

633
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Speaker 1: two hours before dark or two hours after daylight. You know,

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Speaker 1: on a daily basis out there, I've never I've never

635
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Speaker 1: seen my human activity affect dear mature buck movements. I'll

636
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Speaker 1: west anything close to what it does here. I hate

637
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Speaker 1: to be that blunt because it sounds cruel, but it's

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Speaker 1: just a fact. I don't disagree. And then my last

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: question is trail cameras are you Are you using trail

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Speaker 1: cameras that all to help pattern a deer or let's

641
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: say you see a deer working its way, but it's

642
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: it's after dark, it comes by too late where you

643
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: see it in the distance and you don't know if

644
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a move or not. Are our trail

645
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: cameras in your game plane at all? Uh? I've started

646
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: using trail cameras. I've used trail cameras in Kansas. I'm

647
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: going to Kansas last few years. I hadn't want to

648
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: die one a while, and I used can I've used

649
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: cameras in Kansas for several years because it doesn't affect

650
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the deer, you know, the visits don't affect the deer.

651
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: But in Michigan, I'm very cautious about trail cans. I

652
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: did kill a big one last year, hundred fifty two

653
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: entry in Michigan opening morning. Uh. And it was the

654
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: result of a trail cam. The direct result of a

655
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: trail cam. Actually, how was that? John Can you explain

656
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: how you use that camera in that situation. Yeah, it

657
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: was on a little twenty acre parcel and guys seeing

658
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: this buck across the road and he said it was

659
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: a nice one. When I was a guy trusted it

660
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: was a partial parcel that I quit hunting, probably ten

661
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: years ago, because I hunted it there are several years

662
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: and I never saw a buck over eight inches. I

663
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 1: never saw anything over two and a half years old,

664
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: so I just quit hunting there. So I went in

665
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: and got permission from the lady again, and there's a

666
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: little cattail marsh on the property. So I went back,

667
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: UH buy some white oaks near the cattails, and I

668
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: set up a camera and I got a picture of

669
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: this big ten point and there was four other smaller bucks.

670
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: So I went back. I checked, you know, when I

671
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: checked the camera, he was on there. So I went

672
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: back on let's see, it was September eight is the

673
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: next time I went to checked the camera and the

674
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: big ten was the only one out developed. The other

675
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: four were there, but they were still in delvet. So

676
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: I went and found his rubs. I knew if I

677
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: found rubs it would be his, and I set up

678
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: a tree as soon as we got a good hard

679
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: grain and I show him opening morning. Wow, it was

680
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: pretty simple because he was rubbed out on the camera.

681
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: That let me know that if I found some rugs,

682
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: that would be his route because all the other deer

683
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: was still involve it. And I set up and I

684
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: waited for rain to cover my scent noise and set

685
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: up a tree and opening morning went into to our

686
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: sturday and showing me at the quarter after night. You

687
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: do make it sound very easy. That's the easiest bok

688
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I've ever killed. That's pretty awesome. In Michigan's handed down

689
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: the easiest buck I've ever patterned. And that was an

690
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: early morning or that was early season morning hunt opening day, Kenyon,

691
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: Mark Kenny, did you just hear that? Yes? I did.

692
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: I did. John, Me and Dan have another ongoing dialogue

693
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: UM about morning hunts during October, and I'll explain to

694
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: you maybe my thoughts on I'd love to hear your perspective. Um.

695
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I tend to avoid most October morning hunts because it's

696
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: my belief that I think, as you mentioned a while ago,

697
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: most mature bucks, especially heavily pressured states, from what I've

698
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: seen and heard, are coming back to bed really early,

699
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: and so it's pretty tough to get in there without

700
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: spooking the deer. And if I do, if I get

701
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: in there before he's in there, there's still a good

702
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: chance if I'm anywhere near his betting here, and when

703
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: they circle back in down wind, typically from what I've

704
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: seen the bed, they'd likely win me um. So I

705
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: tend to focus more of my hunts during early to

706
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: mid October towards the evening because those seem to be

707
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: higher odds, lower risk, and I wait till late October

708
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: early November to start hunting those mornings sits. Again, that's

709
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: not a rule, but kind of my general um pattern

710
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: that I followed. Dan always kind of challenges me to

711
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: try more hunting in in those mornings. I'm curious, what's

712
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: your I think this is kind of funny. Do you

713
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: guys argue about it? Because I've killed four bucks in Michigan,

714
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: four book bucks in Michigan on opening morning, or I

715
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: should say in the first two days of the season,

716
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: because one was on October second, and they were all

717
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: four on morning, and other than this one laughed fall

718
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: all the other three I rattled them in. So I

719
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: saw that at a distance and it was in security

720
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: cover and bedding areas. And two of the times there

721
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: was two bucks sparring. One of my I actually could

722
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: see them sparring a hundred and some yards away in

723
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the betting area in a little opening, and I rattled

724
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: after they were finished, and they both came in at

725
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: ten and an eight point. I sat the ten point,

726
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: and another one was I heard two. I heard two

727
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: bucks sparring. I couldn't see them, but they sounded like

728
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: they had some anlers. You know, they sound a lot

729
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: different when they're hundred, you know versus hundred fifty. But

730
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I could hear a couple of bucks barring, and when

731
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: they quit, I rattled in the in the ten and

732
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: it was a ten point again that came in and

733
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I shot him. Wasn't a monster, but it was a

734
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: nice ten. And the other one was I was back

735
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: probably hundred guards off the hayfield, and before before daylight,

736
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: I heard two bucks sparring in the hayfield. And you know,

737
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: as soon as the crack daylight, I sparred in. An

738
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: eight point came right in and on shot up. I

739
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: rattled them all in. Because that early early October, they're

740
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of sparring for their you know, dominance, and you know,

741
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm going that's over the last twenty five years.

742
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Those were all within the last twenty five years. One

743
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: one was in ninety two and now the other one

744
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: was way before that. I was in the seventies and

745
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: then one last year. So that being the case, and

746
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: it sounds like that's kind of the exception. But are

747
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: you still hunting a lot of October mornings or is

748
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: it really something like if you if you think there's

749
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: a great chance in my going, but not a lot.

750
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I always faun in October one in the morning, probably

751
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: October one, in October second, and it's typically in a

752
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: bedding area. I'm not too concerned about spooking a deer

753
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: in a betting area on October one if I know

754
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: the next time I'm going to hunt that betting area

755
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: is not going to be for another month, you know,

756
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: into November pre rut. So you know, bucks typically, like

757
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: you said, Mark, they're in the betting areas before daylight,

758
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: but once they're in the betting areas and in that

759
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: security cover, they're much more apt to move. So if

760
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: you're much more likely to get them to move to

761
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: you with some sort of tactic. Mind happened to be

762
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: with rattling tactics because they're in that heavy security cover.

763
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: But they all of them had moved into the security

764
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: cover before daylight, interesting into the betting areas. So so,

765
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: something else you had mentioned when you're talking about the

766
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: buck you killed on opening morning the other year, UM

767
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: was the fact that you had saw the rubs that

768
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: you um identified as his based on the fact that

769
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: he was the first one to rub off his velvet. So,

770
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: in general, can you share this more detail about how

771
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: you value rubs. When you find rubs, how do you,

772
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, incorporate that into your strategy or you're scouting data,

773
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: how do you use those when you find out I

774
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't pay a lot of attention to rubs. The

775
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: only time I really pay attention to rubs when I'm

776
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: doing my preseason speed tour, checking to see if trees

777
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: have actual mast and actual fruit, or going into a

778
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: betting area and again I'm in total sunt lock and

779
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: rubber boots. I am sent regiment into the max. Um.

780
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, if if I see a rub line in

781
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: a betting area, there's you know, there's an excellent chance

782
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the places I hunt

783
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: in the first either two mornings or two evenings. That's

784
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: in bed morning. It's strictly be a morning. If it's

785
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: an e betting area, there's no way I'd go in

786
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: there on an evening because that's spook them with an

787
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: entree um. But as far as you know, if I've

788
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: got a mask or a fruit tree back in security cover,

789
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, I like to verify some sort of buck activity.

790
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that early in the year

791
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: there's no scrapes, but there are rubs. So rubs verified

792
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: that there is the actual buck activity at this tree

793
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: that's dropping apples or this white oak that's dropping acorns.

794
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: So rubbs, I I look at them for that perspective.

795
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: As far as you know, Greg Miller wrote a book

796
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: on rub line of secrets. I don't put a lot

797
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: of thought into rubs. You know, when you're hunting. He

798
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: always used on some pretty pristine property in Wisconsin in

799
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: rubs meant a lot because they were using those germs.

800
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: You know, they were rubbing, using rubs out in open

801
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: timber during daylight hours because there's not a lot of

802
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: pressure where he was hunting in Michigan. That's not the case.

803
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: If you see rubs out in open timber is probably

804
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: made after dark. So so that's you know, how you're

805
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: using rubs. I feel we have a good idea of that.

806
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: And you mentioned how you're looking at scrapes and that

807
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: type of sign. Can you detail a little more for

808
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: us what you're the rest of your scouting regiment looks like,

809
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: because I know scouting is very important for you and

810
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: other than scrapes and rubs are if there's anything else,

811
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: is there more to your scouting routine? Can you share

812
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: this what that is, whether that's postseason, preseason, etcetera. Well,

813
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: it's all like I said, all my tree prepes is postseason. Um.

814
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Really I hunt pretty high, you know, I get up

815
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: there pretty high. Is because typically most bucks I shooted

816
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: during the rut when all the foliage is down, so

817
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I like to be up out of their peripheral vision. Um.

818
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I definitely key on scrapes, and I definitely key on

819
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: you know, masks and fruit. I don't make it any

820
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: more difficult than it needs to be, which I think

821
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people do. UM A key on specific things,

822
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: and and that's and inbedding areas and that's about it.

823
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: I just I just try to hunt smart, you know,

824
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: I just don't hunt them until I think they're ready

825
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: to hunt. And I'm I don't pay any attention to

826
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: wind direction. So tell us why that is. I used

827
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: sunt locked and rubber boots and sunt lock pack, and

828
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: I reactivated regenerate everything, and I take pristine care of it,

829
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: and that that works consistently enough that you're able to

830
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: hunt and have deer downwind of view and it will

831
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: get away with it all the time. In fact, I'm

832
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: writing a and I don't get paid for this. This

833
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: is a freeby. I'm writing a weekly post for suntlock

834
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: and it's time. If you just google suntlock blog, it

835
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: will come right up. And I'm getting ready to do

836
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: a whole lot of activated carbon technology stuff. So for

837
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: anybody that wants to really know what's going on in

838
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: the scent technology world, that's something they can follow. Very cool.

839
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: I I will make sure to link to that blog.

840
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: I checked it out already actually, and you've got You've

841
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: got some great articles on there just about general hunting

842
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: tactics and preparation too that I found pretty helpful. So

843
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: good stuff. Thank you. So you mentioned a couple of

844
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: different things there. Again, I keep on hearing these different

845
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: things that I want to dive into, and it's sending

846
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: me off on ten thousand different paths about Dan. Feel

847
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: free to put me back on track if we need to.

848
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: But you talked about heading in to hunt some of

849
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: these mornings and one of the things. Again, this is

850
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: something I picked up from you guys a decade ago,

851
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: So was your how early you get in in the mornings.

852
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: And a lot of my friends give me a hard

853
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: time about how early I go in to set my

854
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: tree stands. Um, you know, I'm getting in there an

855
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: hour and a half, sometimes two hours before daylight, and

856
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: people call me crazy. Can you tell me how early

857
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: are you getting into your tree stands and why during

858
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: the rout phases it is I shouldn't say just turn

859
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: early season, first few days of season, which I key

860
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: on is pretty good, first two or three days of season,

861
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: and during the ruck phases, I am always not once

862
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: in a while, I am always in my tree, settled

863
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: in in quiet an hour and a half before daylight,

864
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: before the crack of daylight. Because typically in pressured areas,

865
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: and this is even true a lot of other mediocre

866
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: pressured areas. And you know, I consider Missouri of mediocre

867
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: pressured area. I was a very likely pressured area. But

868
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: the typical routine of a mature bucking in a pressure areas,

869
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: he will go into his betting area or not necessarily

870
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: a betting area, but in some security cover in bed

871
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: down usually a half hour to at least an hour,

872
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, before daylight. And then during the rut phases,

873
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: he will get up after all the deer traffic has

874
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: moved through, and he'll get up ten eleven o'clock and

875
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: he'll send check his core area for hot dose that

876
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: pass through, you know, just after daylight. So you know

877
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: that's that midday thing during the rut is a big deal.

878
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: But you also, if you're going to a morning how

879
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you gotta be in your spot well before he comes

880
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: into bed because if you're in a betting area hunting

881
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: in a betting area and he comes in to the

882
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: betting area, let's say half or for you minute for daylight,

883
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: because he's in secure cover, and because he may let's

884
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: say he goes in there and lays down, he doesn't

885
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: hear anybody or anything. You know, they can tell their

886
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: in between a human walking in a deer walking if

887
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't hear a human walking into the betting area.

888
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: If it's a smaller betting area, there's a chance he

889
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: might get up after daylight and browls around and eat,

890
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: eats some or sniff around, and you might get an opportunity,

891
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: especially if there's a you know, a white oak or

892
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: something in the in the actual betting area for him

893
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: to come over and feed at, or a creek for

894
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: him to come and drink at. So you know that

895
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: before before daylight's a big deal. I don't do that

896
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: out West. Out West, I'm getting in my tree a

897
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: half hour four daylight because those of you don't typically

898
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: move in when I see out West Kansas, Iowa, those

899
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: of you don't typically move in that early. The usually

900
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: move in after daylight. Are you ever hunting a stand

901
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: more than one day in a row. Yes, And it's

902
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: totally based on how I'm affecting dear activity. If my

903
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: entry is an extra exits are not affecting dear activity,

904
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing pretty much the same exact traffic without

905
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: any alteration in their in their presence, you know, they're

906
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: not more cautious when they're coming in um, and it's

907
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: a hot spot like a scrape brier. Yeah, hunted scrape

908
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: ariers as many as four sits in a row if

909
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: it's really hot. And I know, I haven't altered anything,

910
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: but I have to have a really good entry route

911
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: where I'm not spooking anything with my entry, and I

912
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: have to have a really good ex r route where

913
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm not spooking anything with my exit. And it's very

914
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: common to have a different entry route than exit route.

915
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: You know, gives me the hunter. And at that point

916
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: you're you're still not concerned about wind at all. Never

917
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: do you consider wind at all in how you're well,

918
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: not I'm not in regarding even in my tree setups.

919
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: So not even how dear, not even how deer use

920
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: the wind? Do you think about how they're going to

921
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: move with the wind? Interesting, So you're saying a good

922
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: spot is a good spot regardless of the wind direction. Yes. Now,

923
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I've had bucks I've hunted in scrape areas where I've

924
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: killed mature bucks that have came in to the down

925
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: wind side of the scrape area. They didn't go actually

926
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: into the scrapes, they just sent checked it from the

927
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: down wind side. But I was set up on the

928
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: down wind side. I'm after a specific see because I

929
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: don't use cameras in Michigan, and I don't go out

930
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: and look for deer and stuff like that. I'm hunting

931
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: sign or I'm hunting local destination locations. So if if I,

932
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: for some odd reason know there's a big buck in

933
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: the area, uh, and I know I've got a tree

934
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: set up on a scrape area, and I know a

935
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: big buck, you know, a three or four year olds

936
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: more apt to check it from the down wind side.

937
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I'll wait for the right wind where the tree I

938
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: set up is on the downlind side before I hunted.

939
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with me getting winded. Just how

940
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: that deer, how the wind affects how that deer is

941
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: gonna check. That's great, Yeah, that makes sense. UM. Now,

942
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: this I think connects nicely to another topic that I

943
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about, which um, from a lot of

944
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: things I've seen you put out, their timing is really

945
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: important when it comes to when you hunt certain areas

946
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: UM or you know prioritize certain times of the year.

947
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about how you

948
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: time your hunts and how that's important in your overall

949
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: hunting strategy. And I guess first I'm curious about time,

950
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: like chronologically throughout the fall, and then second, I'm curious

951
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: about how you pay attention to external factors like whether

952
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and how that affects the time

953
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: of your hunts. Uh, Weather's interesting, and I'll touch on that.

954
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: Don't let me forget, but I key on the pre

955
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: pre rut. I key on pre rut, which would be

956
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: like Halloween until Member five to seven. You know, then

957
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: we get into the full blown rut after the after

958
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: the fifth or the seventh, depending on the year, does

959
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: start coming into heat. And once the doughs start coming

960
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: into heat, the bucks that I want to kill, which

961
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: would be the dominant buck for the area, because there's

962
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: so few of them in the areas that I hunt,

963
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: they're always doted up, so patterns are out the window.

964
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: Pre rut of mature dominant buck has some semblance of

965
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: a routine. You know, he's going to go bed before day, like,

966
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: get up midday, sent check his core area for those

967
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: that might have came in earlier in the morning, and

968
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: be back down at two or three o'clock in the afternoon,

969
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: and then get up to move after dark out into

970
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: the crop fields and continue chasing those. So pre rut,

971
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: there is a routine, and they're much more apt to

972
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: check their scrape area because again scrape areas are made

973
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: are put where there's a lot of dough traffic. So

974
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're more apt to check a scrape area

975
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: because they're not already with a hot dough. Once the

976
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: rut starts and all the does start coming into asters,

977
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: then those patterns go out the window because now they're

978
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: following dope patterns, and you know, there's not a whole

979
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: lot of rhyme. The reason, you know, it's a guy

980
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: that hasn't got a clue can be sitting in a

981
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: BFC tree and kill a monster buck just because a

982
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: dope drug him by there when she when he was

983
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: chasing her and he just happened to you know, she

984
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have to run by this guy's guy's tree. As

985
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: as you guys know, if you hunted a long time,

986
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: you know during the rut you'll see bucks chasing does

987
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: on definitely unpatternable ropes. And when it comes to weather,

988
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: probably my favorite weather to hunting is a drizzly rain. Yeah,

989
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: this is one of those topics that in Michigan. Let

990
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: me put it that way. So can you expand on that?

991
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Why do you like hunting those light raining days? I

992
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: think the dominant bucks feel a lot more comfortable moving

993
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: because they're not making noise when it's dry and quiet.

994
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: Every time a mature buck takes a step, they stop

995
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: and you know, see if there's a reaction to it.

996
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: When it's drizzly rain, they don't. They move a lot

997
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: more steady. Um. They can smell better, you know, if

998
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: you go out and when the ground is damp snow

999
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: a beagles much better at track and rabbit and animals

1000
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: can just smell better when there's a light mister, you know,

1001
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: moisture in the air, so they can smell better. Uh,

1002
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: they make less noise, and I think in pressure areas

1003
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: they they probably while they're growing up, has had less

1004
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: interactions with hunters moving during rain weather because they're growing up,

1005
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: is you know, from fawns to year and a half

1006
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: ordinance to two an a half and and maybe feel

1007
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: a little more coomfortable. I don't know how a deer feels,

1008
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: but that's just my ache on it. Yeah, I feel

1009
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: like I've definitely seen a similar pattern. One hunting in Michigan.

1010
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: That those light rainy days, late rainy days. Whenever I

1011
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: see that in the forecast, I'm in the woods, like

1012
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: I make sure to be there, and I have just

1013
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: seen consistently. Like if I if I were to go

1014
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: back and look at my last five years of mature

1015
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: buck sightings in Michigan, I off the top of my head,

1016
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: I would guess that six out of ten have been

1017
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: on rainy days. Um, I think it really there really

1018
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: is something to what you're saying there. Um, what about

1019
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: other kind of weird because do you know, if you

1020
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: want to see a lot of dolls and funds and

1021
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: sporting the bucks, nice sunny days are the best days.

1022
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: So you know that's that's the one thing during during

1023
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: foul weather, you're going to see less deer in general,

1024
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: but you're more apt to see a mature buck. Yeah, Now,

1025
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: what about others? I don't like to say this just

1026
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: to Michigan. You've got when we're talking pressure, we've got

1027
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: to include New York, PA, the whole northeast and east

1028
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: coast down into Kentucky, parts of Ohio, um, parts of Wisconsin.

1029
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: You know those areas there's a lot of hunting pressure

1030
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: in certain areas of in certain areas of every state.

1031
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's places in I would get a decent

1032
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: amount of hunting pressure. Yeah, it seems like there there

1033
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: is those those pockets just about anywhere. Um, But can

1034
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: I say one Can I interrupt for a second. I

1035
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: want to give you one one stat because I do

1036
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: I put together in every book all the hunting stats.

1037
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Now the words, I take license sales for every state,

1038
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: bowl license sales, and and i'd take p and y

1039
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: entries for every state for that specific year, and I

1040
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: divide pen y entries in two license sales. So that

1041
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: gives you a pretty general take on how you know

1042
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: what's the ratio of a licensed hunters per pope and

1043
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: young entry ratio? Are you with me? Fella? Okay? Io

1044
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: wan in Kansas for about one out of every hundred

1045
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: and fifty depending on the year, licensed bull hunters enters

1046
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: a pop and young buck Michigan and nine averages about

1047
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: one out of every five thousand one p A is

1048
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: about the same as Michigan, and so as New York.

1049
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: So basically, if you took with that that statistic, if

1050
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: you took I'm doing my bath correctly. I remember correctly

1051
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: from Michigan, and they hunted for fifty full seasons in Michigan,

1052
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: only one of them would enter a pope young buck.

1053
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: That's how bad it is. And another neat statistic is

1054
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: when I did the top five states, which is Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska,

1055
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: and I think North Dakota. As far as p and

1056
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: y entries per licensed hunters, if on those five states,

1057
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: the average buck entry was almost fifteen inches larger than

1058
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: those from the east Northeast. They had it fifteen inches

1059
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: more bone, which means a lot of people in those

1060
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: states don't even enter the bucks because it's not a

1061
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: big deal to kill a pope on buck out in

1062
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: those states. You tell p and my bucket Michigan, I mean,

1063
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: everybody freaks out, as you well know, Mark, Yeah, yeah,

1064
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: I do. I know. It's a lot different where in

1065
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Iowa people kill one sixty and it just goes in

1066
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: the barn. So yeah, And there's and there's a reason

1067
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: that all these TV guys who I have absolutely no

1068
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: credibility for, uh, there's a reason they hunt an Iowa

1069
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas and Nebraska. It's because it's easier to kill

1070
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: big bucks, even though they might be from Michigan or

1071
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: from the east. That's where they gravitate the hunt because

1072
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: and there's a reason for that, because they can't get

1073
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: it done on TV where they where they were from. Yeah,

1074
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: it's no easy task, that's for sure. No, and deer

1075
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: huntings hard, bonnings hard everywhere. So like sure as I

1076
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: don't want to give everybody the impression that they're falling

1077
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: out of the sky out west. But it's just a

1078
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: different animal. Yeah. So so one last thing on weather,

1079
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: if I can take a step back, Um, we talked

1080
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: about rain. Are there any other factors weather factors that

1081
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: you key in on. Um? Obviously snow like hunting in

1082
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: the snow, it's the same deal. It's just precipitation. UM,

1083
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: light snow, not a heavy snow. And I don't mind

1084
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: hunting in wind as long as it's not like thirty

1085
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: forty gusts. So I don't mind hunting in wind because

1086
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: I think sure bucks. I've killed a couple really nice

1087
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: bucks on windy days. I shot one in Illinois on

1088
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: public land in the Sepcember. I think it was the

1089
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: number two thousand eight, and it was a thirty five

1090
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: hours stiff wind and it was seven degrees before the

1091
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: chill factor. And uh, I saw five bucks that afternoon

1092
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: on public land, two days after gun season ended until

1093
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: the twelve point, and it was really windy. I almost

1094
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: got out of the tree and went back to the

1095
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: hotel because I said, there's no way I'm gonna see

1096
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: anything here. And then I saw five bucks, all in

1097
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: the last fifteen minutes a day late. Geez, that's one

1098
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: of those days where you're really glad that either you

1099
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: stuck it out through the wind, that's for sure. I can't,

1100
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: honestly can't believe I stayed there. I can't even leave

1101
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: hunting that day. But I proved something to myself. You know,

1102
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can't kill a deer in the hotel room.

1103
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: And that's what I thought when I'd sent in this

1104
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: tree and my tears are running down my face because

1105
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: of the wind chill, and I was like, you know what,

1106
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I can't kill a deer in the hotel and I'm

1107
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: here on a very short term hunt, so I might

1108
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: as well stick it out. I have the clothes for it.

1109
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: I was nice and cozy, so wow. So I've got

1110
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: a handful of other things here I want to try

1111
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: to touch on real week. Um, calling and decoin. Those

1112
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: are tactics that can work great out in some of

1113
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: the states farther west. What are your thoughts on using

1114
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: those types of tactics in high pressure areas well? As

1115
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, I've killed three bucks in the first

1116
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: two days of both season by rattling them. Rattling them

1117
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: in I mean, they were all opening mornings. I think

1118
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: one was in the seventies, nineteen ninety nine. And then

1119
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: when I shot last year, wasn't rattled, but that was

1120
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: an opening morning too. Uh So I used tactics a

1121
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: lot in Michigan. Um, they work much much better out west.

1122
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: And you can be a lot more aggressive out west.

1123
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: If you rattled aggressively like you see on TV. You

1124
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: know where they got these big fake antlers and they

1125
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: smashed them together. You did that here, you spook everything

1126
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Um. But if you rattle, and you

1127
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: do it subtly like sparring sparring sequences, and you do

1128
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: it in security cover at the right time to the day,

1129
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: or you know, I've had my best luck in the

1130
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: mornings because it seems I get in the morning's deer

1131
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: a lot more calm. You know, they've been moving all night.

1132
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: They've had no pressure. You know, they're just in a

1133
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: calmer state in the morning than in the evening. In

1134
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: the evening they think, you know, it's like they're walking

1135
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: on eggshells because they're getting up. They've been better at

1136
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: all day. Now they're going out in its daylight and

1137
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: there's human activity, and they're kind of freak out. That's

1138
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: why most big books don't move till it's dark. But

1139
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: tactics do work. I think I've killed two decent books.

1140
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: They didn't make book in Michigan with a decoy. I've

1141
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: killed several book bucks. That's killed a couple of books

1142
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: books using a carry light decoy. Uh. They were both

1143
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: in Iowa. One was injured, and Uh, tactics were great

1144
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: out of state, out west. Um in Michigan. You've got

1145
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: to be very very cautious, and if you're gonna rally,

1146
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: you got very subtly, not very frequently, not very long,

1147
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: not very loud, and you've got to do it at

1148
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: the right times and in the right places. Everything boils

1149
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: down to the place and the time in the situation.

1150
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically what bow hunting boils down too. Yeah,

1151
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: so true. Now, something that you we haven't touched on yet, um,

1152
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: And I know from my experience at least that this

1153
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: is something that's a particular challenge for those in high

1154
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: hunting pressure areas, is hunting in the late season, especially

1155
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: like in Michigan. We've got such a long, long gun

1156
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: season and the muzzleloader season. There's a ton of pressure. Um.

1157
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: Do you have any can you share your perspectives on

1158
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: hunting the late season and any advice for having success

1159
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: in high hunting pressure areas during that time of year. Yes,

1160
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: a lot of state. I've killed one killed two decent

1161
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: bucks in Michigan in December in fifty one seasons, and

1162
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: uh it's after Michigan has like fifty two days a

1163
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: gun season and in December. If you're after too an

1164
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: area three and a half year old or older, dear

1165
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: your odds of getting an opportunity in a pressured area.

1166
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: And there are there are a lot of managed areas

1167
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: in Michigan where you know, people own big chunks land

1168
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: and they got food plots and stuff. So not all

1169
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: of Michigan is pressured by any stretch of the means,

1170
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: But if you're in a precured area, your odds of

1171
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to the three and a half year

1172
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: old old or buck in December after that much gun

1173
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: season is about as close to zero as you could get.

1174
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: Now when I went to Illinois, have been to Illinois

1175
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: and public Land in mid December twice or three times,

1176
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: and I was successful twice. So two out of three

1177
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: for a December hunt. That was I was very very

1178
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: happy with those odds because it was right after their

1179
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: gun this season. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. But I did

1180
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: something kind of different. Um it was on It was

1181
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: in parks that uh, you know, during their November Bowl hunt,

1182
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: you have to have permits, but in December they're just open.

1183
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: Anybody can go there bowing, and I always called the

1184
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: park ranger. I'd keep an eye on the weather and

1185
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 1: I would always wait for winter storm to come through.

1186
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: So as soon as I saw there was a storm

1187
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: coming through, I would call. As soon as I saw

1188
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: it go through on the radar, I'd call the park

1189
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: ranger the next day and asked how much snow they

1190
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: got fresh snow, and you know, if they had like

1191
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: six plus inches of snow, I would My van was

1192
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: all My van is always loaded and ready for deer.

1193
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: I would jump in my van to take off, because

1194
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: then when I go there and I scout, I'm looking

1195
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: at sign that was made within the last twenty four hours.

1196
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at current patterns. I'm not looking at

1197
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: up and left on the ground. It could have been

1198
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: four weeks ago. So I'm looking at current patterns and

1199
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: and uh had made a big, big difference. Is that

1200
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: something you would suggest for late season hunters anywhere? Yes? Absolutely, Yeah,

1201
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: because you're looking at current you know, you're looking at

1202
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: patterns within the last twenty four hours. And typically even

1203
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: in Michigan, uh, you know, the patterns left within the

1204
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours in December, deer very pattern oriented.

1205
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: They're basically going back to their betting to feeding routine. Anything.

1206
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: In Michigan, you're the bigger bucks, dudes, there is a big,

1207
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: big Bucky. You're just not gonna do it during daylight hours.

1208
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be after dark, whereas in the Illinois or

1209
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: someplace ELTs it could be a big buck during daylight hours. Yeah. Interesting.

1210
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: Uh So, Dan, do you have any final questions for John?

1211
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: I have a general question. All right, you have fifty

1212
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: one boat seasons under your belt. I'm sure you've failed

1213
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: a lot, and then you've been successful lot as well.

1214
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: To get you to, you know, the style of hunting

1215
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: that you that you currently are doing. What is one

1216
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: thing that a hunter on a high pressured piece of

1217
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: property should do and one thing that they should not

1218
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: ever do? One thing that they should do? Oh boy,

1219
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: I would If I had to put one thing on

1220
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: it would be sent control. Sent control is just a

1221
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: major deal no matter where you're at. I don't care

1222
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: what state you're in. Set control is a big issue

1223
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: because if you're after mature buck in High Word, Kansas

1224
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: and they went to you're still done. Um, it's over.

1225
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: So set control would be my number one issue. And again,

1226
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: if you follow that sent lock blog to scent control

1227
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: parts not gonna be up for Bob Another's three weeks.

1228
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: That's when it's going to start, and it's gonna be

1229
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: probably six six weeks of posts on carbon technology. So

1230
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: I would say sun control. And then the one thing

1231
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do was that the second part. Yeah, one

1232
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: thing you would never do on a field edge. A

1233
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: field edge too simple, too pretty simple things for our

1234
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: listeners to take away. And you know what's what's interesting

1235
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 1: about the field edge deal. I know so many hunters,

1236
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, they read stuff and they'll say key on

1237
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: a scrape period or key on rubs, and they'll walk

1238
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: along the edge of a pitcorn field or a hay

1239
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: field or a bean field, you know, something that's short

1240
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: where a deer is exposed, and they might find a

1241
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: scrape period, or they might find a bunch of rubs

1242
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: along a crop field. And and that's all stuff that's

1243
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: done after dark. Now, if it was if you if

1244
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: I were to find a scrape area and it butted

1245
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 1: up next to a standing cornfield, there is an excellent

1246
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: chance that I would hunt that opening day of season,

1247
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: because you know, mature bucks are very likely to be

1248
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: better than the standing gorn. So you're basically got cover

1249
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: to cover as long as you've got brush on the

1250
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: one side and then standing corn on the other, you're

1251
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: hunting a five feet to five yard transitions on from

1252
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: cover to cover. And so if there's scrapes there, there's

1253
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: an excellent chance that those might be visited during daylight hours.

1254
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: But as far as scrapes or the best sign on

1255
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: the face of the earth being along as short crop

1256
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: field that's picked, or a bean field or a hay

1257
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: Field in a pressure area. It's to me, it's just

1258
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: a total waste of time. It may be successful one

1259
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: out of a thousand months, but it doesn't warrant me

1260
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: spending any time there because the percentages are just too low,

1261
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: and I always hunt percentages. Yeah, that's what it seems.

1262
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: That's what boning mature bucks is all about, is trying

1263
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: to understand the percentages and figure out how you can

1264
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: get many of the odds in your favor and then

1265
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: making a move on them. Yeah, that's that's it, very simple, right,

1266
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: It's a simple analogy, exactly. It sounds simple. It never

1267
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: it never goes that way though. So my final question

1268
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: for you, John, this has been this has been awesome.

1269
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: I've taken a lot of interesting things from this. I'm

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01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: sure everyone else has to. Um. Me and Dan talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about you know, we make all sorts of

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Speaker 1: mistakes out there in the woods, but the key is

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Speaker 1: to always learn something from those mistakes and get better

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Speaker 1: from it. So, so my question for you is, if

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Speaker 1: you can think back over the past fifty one seasons

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Speaker 1: that you've had, is there any one encounter or experience

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Speaker 1: or mistake you made was the greatest learning experience for

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Speaker 1: you in the long run, can you show that with

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Speaker 1: us too? Too? And they were both the same mistake.

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Speaker 1: Um at the time I was, I was younger. These

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Speaker 1: were both in the seventies, and both times I had

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Speaker 1: like and you've got to keep the mind. Back in

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Speaker 1: the seventies, Michigan had a million gun hunters. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: there was way fewer mature bucks then than there are

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Speaker 1: now because there was a lot more gun hunting pressure. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: back in the seventies, on two different occasions, I had

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Speaker 1: a mature buck within about thirty to thirty five yards.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, this was before laser range winters, and

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Speaker 1: I practiced at thirty five yards. I had a thirty

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Speaker 1: five yard tenant. I could hit a six cent circle

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Speaker 1: at thirty five yards with broadheads. And both of those

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Speaker 1: times it was during the rut, and both of those

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Speaker 1: times the deer the bucks were en route to me.

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Speaker 1: So I rather than take the shot when they offered it,

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Speaker 1: because both times they stopped and offered me a decent

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Speaker 1: quartering away or broadside shot, and I didn't take it

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Speaker 1: because their path was coming closer there. I felt both

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Speaker 1: times were going to come within ten the fifteen yard

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Speaker 1: chip shots. And both times they caught wind or saw

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Speaker 1: a dough that I did not know was they're up

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Speaker 1: in the timber, and they took off after him. So

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Speaker 1: I learned valuable lesson. You know, that was within my

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Speaker 1: comfortable shooting distance, and I should both times they they

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Speaker 1: would have been the biggest buck I had shot up

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Speaker 1: to that point. And and so I learned a valuable

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Speaker 1: lesson that if it's within your comfort wheelhouse shooting distance,

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Speaker 1: take the shot. If it's a good quartering quartering away

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Speaker 1: your broadside shot, if you're comfortable with the shot angle. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Because especially during the rut Man, they could change their

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Speaker 1: mind at the drop of a hat. Um. That's one

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Speaker 1: lesson I have never forgot. You always remember the times

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Speaker 1: you mess up you much more so than the times

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Speaker 1: you're successful. Yeah, the ones you mess up on always

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: stick in the back of your cross. And that's a

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Speaker 1: good thing because if if you're not learning, you're not

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Speaker 1: moving forward. And that right there is uh. I say

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Speaker 1: that the moral of all of our podcasts has been

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Speaker 1: that line right there. If you're not learning, you're not

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Speaker 1: moving forward. And that's what it's really all about, is

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Speaker 1: for all deer owners, right it's going out there enjoying yourself,

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Speaker 1: screwing up sometimes and learning from it and becoming a

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Speaker 1: better deer hunter because of it. So what life is about? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true too, business or whatever you do. If you're

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Speaker 1: not taking a chance and learning, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: move forward in the life periods. If you're afraid of failure,

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Speaker 1: you're never going to move forward. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: a perfect place first to wrap things up, John, because

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Speaker 1: that's some wise words for everyone. So this is you know,

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Speaker 1: like I mentioned, this has been great for anyone out

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Speaker 1: there that's that's listening who wants to, you know, get

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Speaker 1: more of your information and your books or your articles

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Speaker 1: or anything. Where can they go online for that? For

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Speaker 1: that stuff? I saw my books three books uh at

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Speaker 1: in videos and they're strictly the instructional videos and kills

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Speaker 1: on them uh dear d e er hyphen j O

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Speaker 1: h N dot net or all you'd have to do

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Speaker 1: is google Johnny Brewharden. It would pop up perfect. I

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Speaker 1: will make sure to include those links on the podcast

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Speaker 1: for this episode, So anyone listening make sure check that out. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, as I mentioned earlier, I highly recommend all

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Speaker 1: of John's books. I own them all, I've read them

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Speaker 1: all multiple times. They're absolute gems, so check them out.

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Speaker 1: And John, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Thanks Mark, Thanks Dan. Yep, you

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Speaker 1: have a good one. Okay, you too, all right, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: bye bye, all right. Well that is going to be

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Speaker 1: at first today and in closing a few quick updates. First,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I think

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Speaker 1: you can now buy Wired Hunt truck details at wired

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Speaker 1: hunt dot com slash shop and that's where we'll also

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Speaker 1: find our hats and shirts, so check all those out

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Speaker 1: there too, and other news. Make sure to subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the podcast on itun tunes or if you use Android,

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Speaker 1: check out stitcher um. Those two apps will make it

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Speaker 1: a lot easier for you to get each week's podcast

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Speaker 1: delivered right to your mobile device, so be sure check

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Speaker 1: that out. Finally, we'd like to thank our partners who

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Speaker 1: helped make the Wired to Hunt podcast possible. Big thank

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Speaker 1: North America. Most importantly, though, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you tuning in and I hope you learned

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Speaker 1: a lot from John in this episode. I know I

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Speaker 1: did so. Until next time, a great week, and stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt.