WEBVTT - Is your employer spying on you? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.320 Welcome to you stuff you should know from house Stuff 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:12.559 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast Don't 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.800 Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry. How 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:22.360 do Jerry? How's he going? I wish I wish we 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.439 didn't have to pay money for playing music because I 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.320 really wanted Maxwell's and I always feel like somebody's watching 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:29.800 me to be or leading. You don't have to pay 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:35.000 for your own rendition coming in at any time. No 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.159 great song though, Yeah, And it turns out he's right, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.160 someone is watching. Well, he was cooked to the gills, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.720 which was his thing, was he did you not see 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.800 the video? No? Oh man, he's like looking out the 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.839 blinds and everything, dancing his living room. Yeah, he was 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.320 cooked up. How was a kid? I didn't understand that that. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.520 I didn't either. Um, he was right though, that's the 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:04.640 point cocaine or know. He was correct? Yeah, especially nowadays, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.200 like you don't need drugs to be paranoid. You can 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.319 just like be paranoid and be totally correct. Uh yeah, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.880 you know, especially if you're gainfully employed. Yes, that is 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.680 true because what I found out from this article, Chuck, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.400 is that if it's not the n S a eavesdropping 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.800 on you or surveiling you. It's your employer. Yeah. And 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.039 not only that, but you have implicitly agreed to be 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.920 spied on, because it is no doubt somewhere in your 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:40.200 work contract or your work agreement that they can do 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.160 exactly that that would be explicitly agreed. You're just probably 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.400 duped into it. What say, yeah, explicit Yeah, but I 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.040 mean if you don't know that you agreed to it, yeah, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.360 because who reads that stuff? I know? It is the thing, like, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.840 there's a there's a growing trend among employers to basically 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.720 slide some claws into your employee handbook that you have 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.720 to sign, uh, your employment agreement applications sometimes have them 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.840 now where it basically says I consent to being surveilled 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.480 electronically in you know, X number of forms or any 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.840 form you guys can come up with. And like you said, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.840 people don't read that and they're not aware of it. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.919 And the other devious part of the whole thing about 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.920 employee surveillance is that they don't buy law. I have 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.640 to tell you that you're being surveilled. Right. There's two states, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.680 Connecticut and Delaware that require employers say, hey, we're watching you, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:41.839 and Delaware barely even counts. I love Delaware. I was kidding. Yeah, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.919 it's the screen door capital, isn't it according to the Simpsons. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.320 I think, so we're going to Delaware. I've done some 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.440 camping at the Delaware Water Gap. It's nice. Nice. Actually, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.160 I don't even think that's in Delaware though, is it not? 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.799 To look that up? It might be in New Jersey. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:03.320 It's in the Aegean. That's funny. So I guess we 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.520 kind of answered the question that this this Um episode asked, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.120 was is your employer spying on you? And the answer 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.680 is almost decidedly yes. So we found from our research 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.600 that stats are really old. It seems like there was 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.239 a flurry of research and discussion in like the early 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.680 to mid to late nineties when the Internet was new, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.560 and then it just died off because apparently employers won. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.480 Like there was there were ethical questions, there were legal 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.760 questions like can this happen? And uh, everybody said yeah, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.520 Well the court said yeah totally. And if they're in 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.200 your office and they're working on your computers, and yeah, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.480 you sure have the right. I do have some stats 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.720 from and this is the most recent thing I could 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.200 find is about three and a half years ago, which 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.080 is brand new, Yeah, compared to other stuff. Yeah, a 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.360 lot of these things are citing like surveys done in 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.839 two thousand and two thousand one. That's a different world 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.080 back then. I mean even current articles are using that 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.760 like there's just no data out there, no shame. Well, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.800 here's some stuff from a few years ago. UM percent 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.520 of employers have fired UH workers for email misuse at 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:19.000 this point, for UM sixty of those were violating company policies, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.320 were inappropriate language. There must be some overlap because they're 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:33.599 already over UM excessive personally used confidentiality breaching. Uhtent of 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.040 employers have fired people for Internet misuse, not email, but internet, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.360 and that means surfing inappropriate content was of that, like 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.239 you know, you're looking at porn at work, get fired 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:51.600 for that. UM And then nowadays with social networking, UM 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.320 they six sixty six percent they estimate or monitoring Internet 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.840 connections to see what websites your browsing on a day 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.680 to day basis. I think there's ridiculously low. There's no 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.760 way that that's it. Well, I mean just because and 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.680 then in the article points out just because they are 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.839 set up to do so doesn't mean they are um 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.160 like generally, the one guy in the article says they 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.040 would be doing nothing but looking at activity if they 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.000 were really spying on everyone all the time. They say, generally, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.440 it's if there's a problem with an employee or something 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.400 and someone is flagged that they will probably start paying attention. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.120 But you know, this is all opinion. No one knows, right, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.920 you know, employees aren't being too terribly forthcoming. Our job 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.320 is different though, because we with our research, we can 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.800 be looking at virtually anything. You know, this stuff we've 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.800 looked at online here. I can't tell you how many 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.320 lists we must be on just from the research we've 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.960 like the marijuana one alone. Yeah, it was like these 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.200 guys do nothing. The research like human trafficking and and 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:02.800 hookers and marijuana and bombmaking. Yeah, it's it's it's crazy 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.320 and and we can We're all over social media, so 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.320 that's part of our job. So yeah, no, I know, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.640 it's kind of It was different to see like the 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.240 other side of it. But at the same time, I 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.800 was like, wow, I really feel bad for like, you know, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.840 the average employee. If you go on to Twitter, no 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.600 I have If you go onto Twitter or something for 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.200 a minute or two, like you can get fired. Yeah, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.800 it's weird. My my chicken software job that I have 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.960 before this one, the famous chicken software job. You know, 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.880 nothing on the internet is applicable to what you do. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.400 So if the boss walks by and you're just checking 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.479 the Brave score from ESPN and you feel like you 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.120 have to hide it real quick, sure where now, I'm like, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.200 come on, you know you check a score, No big deal. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.920 And some employers don't care. I saw this one UM 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.760 article from UH. It was some sort of a Christian 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.760 organization that ended up firing employees, and he said, I 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.479 didn't care if they were on Facebook and doing that 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.320 other stuff, but when they started to talk some about 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.760 the company is when they got riled up and fired people. Supposedly, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:09.200 there's UM that's what employers are looking for, is there. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.960 They're looking for employees that are, like you said, talking 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.480 smack about the company, divulging company's secrets, ye leaking information. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.040 That's probably the biggest one they're looking for. And then 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.960 um like grossly misusing time yea, or or like sexually 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.360 harassing or something that's that one makes total sense sending 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.400 inappropriate jokes around here, like the guy in the office 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:37.120 ending like overt inappropriate emails all around the office. Then yeah, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.960 they're gonna they're gonna tag you. Right, So they aren't 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:45.680 necessarily watching you at all times, but the system is 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.200 most likely set up to where they can to where 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.920 if you do something that is that tricks triggers a 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.760 filter or something that somebody's going to get an email, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.680 they're going to examine it and it's going to get 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.600 sent to HR if it fits the criteria. Right, yeah, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.120 pretty much, UM, But like you said, they could, I mean, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.680 they're most companies are set up now with what they 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:12.640 call continuous since systematic surveillance. UM. So if they wanted 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.240 to be bored out of their mind, they most companies 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.720 could literally look at everything you're doing at all times. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.480 For this system had been for that having to watch 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.960 all that exactly. So we said that, UM, employers don't 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.520 have to tell you that they're surveilling you. As a 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.280 matter of fact, legally speaking, they can lie and tell 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.800 you that they're not surveilling you, and then if you 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.240 bust them and take them to court, you will lose 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:47.120 as far back as an employee for Pillsbury, you know, right, um. He. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.000 I guess he didn't really like his job that much. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.000 He was known for talking smack and in two different 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:58.240 emails um which he assured were confidential, weren't used for 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:03.040 disciplinary action and just were his own. Um, he said 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.160 that they should kill the backstabbing bastards about one group 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.280 of people, and he referred to the company Christmas party 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.920 as the Jim Jones kool Aid affair. And he got 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.079 fired for every company Christmas party, right, He got fired 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.080 for that, but he took Pillsbury court. Was like, they 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.400 said that they weren't paying attention to these emails and 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.840 that they wouldn't use them against me, And the court said, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.920 so what man, It's like you said, the court has 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.320 decided that if you were using their device, or you're 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.120 using their network on their time that's even off of 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.400 their time, especially on their time, then they have a 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:43.960 right to protect their business by monitoring what's going on 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.600 with their business devices, on their business network with their employees. Yeah. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.720 I think within reasons, some of that does make sense. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.439 You don't want your employees divulging secrets or sending lured 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.679 emails around to everyone and all the all of a sudden, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.680 you're slapt with the lawsuit um, which I think is 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.640 what it ultimately boils. And so some of this is understandable, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.240 I get it. The thing is, though, is it's so 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:13.440 slippery of it's already just so draconian. Then it's there's 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.679 it's just completely lopsided, like how do you surveil your 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.920 own employer? How do you do that? Like shouldn't it 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.760 be shouldn't it be more balanced than that? I mean, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.240 the whole thing just let me get on my soapbox 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.000 and we'll get down a breast text. But the whole 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.360 thing stinks of you just being indebted to your employer 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.400 for giving you a job, Like it just kind of 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.840 has that whole mentality attached to it, like your employer 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.679 can do whatever you want. If you don't like it, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:50.000 you can go hit the breadline, Rusky. You know, yeah, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.200 I'm done. No, I'm with you, man. That's it's definitely like, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.120 you know, as an employee, to feel like someone has 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:00.360 their foot on your throat. There's fifty people in Anglory 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.200 who would kill for your job right now, we could 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.800 get them over here, right you know, it just makes 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.600 me sad. It is sad. That is the state of things. Uh, So, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.840 I guess we should talk a little bit about how 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.960 how they're spying on you. And there are many ways, um, 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.360 but there five pretty likely ones that you probably have 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.920 in your office, um, and we'll go through them in 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.320 more detail. But I had a sixth that added, well 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.280 we'll hear in a minute, Okay, packet sniffers, log files, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:35.240 desktop monitoring programs, phones, and close circuit cameras. And I'm 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:36.840 gonna go ahead and say phones as a two parter 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.920 because the company issues cell phones, um as well, So 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.200 what's your what's your other one? GPS. GPS was kept 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.480 out of this because that was one of the original 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.800 means of surveillance in the workplace, Yeah, with the little 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.400 trackers that they put on like delivery trucks or whatever 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.640 to make sure they're doing what they're supposed to do. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.840 But now it's been extended to things like employees cell phones. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.800 About three percent of companies track their employees using GPS 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.840 by tracking their cell phone, and then one percent track 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:16.240 their employees by tracking um they're like there keyless entry cards, man. Yeah, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.480 well one percent. Thankfully that's like, I mean, what company 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.199 is that, I don't know, but it's probably a pretty 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.200 pedantic company. That's not an enjoyable company. I would think 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.480 it's like a highly sensitive, like you know, someone who's 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:34.240 making Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Well, they are 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.160 the one percent at least. Let's dig in and let's 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.400 start with packet sniffers. I love that those two words 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.680 together just yeah, they're great packets sniffers. Yes, they've been 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.480 around for a while, it's nothing new. Uh. And they 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:52.960 monitor the computer network and they performed tests and diagnostic 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.640 tests and troubleshoot all sorts of things. So they're not 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.400 inherently they're just too uh root out you know what 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.240 you're emailing to your buddy. No, it's like that's how 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.080 they sort of spam out from your regular stuff. Yeah. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.920 So it's not nefarious in and of itself, but it 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.839 can be when it's set to something called promiscuous mode, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.240 which I thought was pretty funny too. Yeah, std mode, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.480 And that means instead of just looking for certain keywords 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.199 that like, they can basically look at all of it. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.120 And a packet is just a piece of information. Well, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.920 it's like if you send me an email saying, hey, Josh, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.880 that might be split up into X number of packets 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.880 and then my computer busily recombines it into the full 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.840 email and and combines the packets together, and the packets 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.360 sniffer to sniffs all those packets to look for Hi, Josh, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.280 I'm gonna bring a gun to work tomorrow and you're 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.640 in trouble. That's a bad way to do that. You're 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.040 not supposed to send a warning. Yeah, you're not supposed 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.400 to do that at all. Yeah. Hell, let's not give 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.920 advice to office shooters. I think that's a wise policy. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.280 What you would do is give advice, say Josh, don't 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.880 come into work tomorrow because that happens. Oh really Yeah, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.240 with with shooters, they'll they'll say sometimes they'll they will 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.880 have warned like the one person they like at work. Okay, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.920 if I were you, I wouldn't come in tomorrow, which 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.560 is when you pick up the phone. You have a 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.440 moral obligation to protect the lives of us. You don't say, sweet, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.440 I don't have to come in tomorrow, right, you know, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.440 crazy guy gave me the day off. Yeah, called the cops. Um. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.600 So with the packet sniffing, they're filtered, and unfiltered modes 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.040 and unfiltered will will capture everything, and filtered is when 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.720 they're looking for like keywords or in any sort of 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:45.560 specific data like I would imagine the name of your company. Ye, 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:53.880 like dangerous words like like going, um, drug related words, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.600 that kind of stuff. Kilo, sure in my trunk, right, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.880 that kind of thing at my desk. That's a bad 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.600 one with kilo. Oh yeah, Kilo at my desk. Um. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.160 So if something is packet sniffing, they can see what 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.119 websites you're visiting, what you're doing there, what you're downloading, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.640 the emails you're sending, what's in those emails, basically any 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.680 everything you're doing. And you can set up a packet 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.680 sniffer on like say your computer, your systematman can set 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.880 it up on your computer, and um it would it 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.560 would basically just be able to see what your computer 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.680 is doing, what websites is visiting, what emails it's sending. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.040 It's basically just like eaves dropping onto a transmission cable. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.680 Yeah you know. Um. The thing is is that kind 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:49.880 of raises some legal um ramifications, which we'll talk about later. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.000 So there's a certain way you have to do it. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.720 But if you put that packet sniffer on like a 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.600 your server for the whole company's network, it can pick 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.680 up all all that traffic. Yeah, if it's right there 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.880 in the middle of the action. Yeah. Yeah. And by 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.640 the way, if you're digging this kind of stuff, if 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.320 you like words like packet sniffers and servers and Kilo, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.960 then you should go listen to tech Stuff, which is 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.480 like an all tech, very good UM related podcasts here 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.760 at how stuff Works dot com. Yeah, from our colleagues 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.200 Jonathan and Lauren, and I bet they have covered this. Uh, 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.160 I'm better than we are about to, which is why 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.760 I'm saying, like, go listen to those guys. If you're 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.600 liking this for the less jokey, more informative version, more 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.440 pun filled. Yeah that's true. Yeah. Another way, and this 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.840 is the one that's really um draconian and common, is 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.880 a desktop monitoring software. So if you're sitting at your 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.480 computer and you're typing something in, you're sending a signal 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:56.120 throughout your computer. And there are software systems that either 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:02.520 physically installed hard on your laptop hard or remotely installed 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.200 the trojan horse, like, hey, install this program because you 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.280 need it, but there's also this hidden program in there 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.960 that you don't need and you don't even know, and 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.639 it's going to track all of your activity on your computer. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.240 I would guess that if you're getting if your employers 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.679 tracking you're spying on you, they're not going to use 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.399 the troch and horses more like a hacker tactic. But 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.639 the result is the same. I mean, there's a program 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.600 on there now where whereas like a packet sniffer is 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.000 keeping track of like where your computer is going on 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.480 the Internet. Remember that old Microsoft commercial where do you 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.440 want to go today? The old Windows commercial. So it's 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.400 keeping track of where you're going today and who you're 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:48.160 talking to along the way. This um the desktop monitoring programs. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.359 That's like any key stroke you make is logging, and 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.399 so you don't you can be writing a note to 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.840 yourself that you never save. You just trash afterwards. You 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.560 never save it, so it's never saved onto your system. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.040 This desktop monitoring system is keeping track of your key strokes, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.080 so it sees everything that goes on on your on 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.160 your desktop. Yeah, and when you get that company issued laptop, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:19.040 it very likely already has it installed. And again the 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.560 system admin can remotely install it because you're on the 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.920 same network as them and they have administrative sway over 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.200 your computer. They're like Svengali or if the I T 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.200 guy comes by and says the new drow leptop for 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.000 an hour because they need to install some sort of 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:40.400 program that sounds familiar. Beware of that of that message. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.600 You know that that that impression was dead on. Okay, Um, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.960 there are alert systems that are on some of these programs. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.840 Oh wait, hold on, before we move on to alert systems, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.560 there's a that desktop monitoring thing. So with key strokes, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.239 you know, Um, it's it's picking up all the key 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.959 strokes and it's basically redirecting them to whoever's watching your 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.200 computer at that moment. And so maybe they have a 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.040 text file that's open and it's just seeing what's being 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.000 typed as it's going on, or it can be saved 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.360 for later as a text file and then like emailed 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:21.040 to the system admin, or it can the same programs 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.320 can intersect what's being sent to your video card or 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.399 what your video card is sending out to your monitor 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.040 and redirected, split and then redirected to your system admin 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.560 or whoever spying on you, and they can recreate what 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.359 you're seeing on your desktop by intercepting your video cards. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:44.400 Trans transmission within your operating system. That's that's some serious 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.320 spying on you, some serious spying uh in the alert 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.080 system I mentioned, that's part of the monitoring software UM. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.480 Where again sort of like keywords are certain alerts or 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:59.440 maybe websites, whereas some companies just block websites altogether. Yeah, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.639 like face booker, you know, and anything they consider to 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.040 be a time waster UM or it can be set 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.680 up on an alert system where they just know that 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:14.040 you were spending way too much time online gambling if 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.320 you had a problem, which would be any time if 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.879 your work, you know, I doubt if they allow for 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.640 like payoffs you get ten minutes today the homeline online 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.080 or otherwise you can play craps at your desk. Right. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.119 Another way, if you think that hey, I delete all 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.040 my stuff and I cover my paper trail, my e 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.879 paper trail, you were wrong because you have log files 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.920 in your computer. That um, even when you've deleted something, 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.600 there's a log file somewhere in your computer. Most likely 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:53.520 that that logs exactly what you have just done. Right, 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.280 Like when you delete that email, it's not really deleted 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.480 at least initially. Yeah, and those log files can be 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.120 gotten to remotely if you're on the same network again, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.040 or they can set up, UM, some sort of program 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.479 that emails log files to them, especially ones that are 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.679 trigger some sort of filter and log files. I mean 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.639 those are normal, they're they're part of your operating system. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.160 But um, they can be gotten to. In other words, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.720 they can be used against you. That's true. Yeah, and 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.520 normally they're used for bugs, or originally they were used 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.719 for bugs. Yeah. It's like the the computer tracked its 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.440 own activity and then if something happened, somebody who could 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.959 read that kind of code could go back and say, oh, well, 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.240 here's here's the problem, this is why it crashed, and 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:48.040 then fix that bug. I bet desktop monitoring software is 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:53.400 the bulk of how they're getting this information. Uh. Yeah, 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.440 I would imagine that like a company that's involved in 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:03.680 this does um desktop monitoring and packet sniffing, packets sniffing. UM. 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.240 I guess we can talk about how about this after 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.280 this message break, we'll talk about old school eavesdropping, the 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:24.480 wire style. All right, you don't necessarily even have to 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.439 be on your laptop to get spied on because your 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.679 phone might be bugged. That's true. I guess the simplest 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.879 way to say right. Well, yeah, especially if you have 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:39.639 a work issued phone or iPad or whatever. You're um like, 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:41.760 they can just totally eavesdrop on that. But if it's 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.160 like your phone at your desk, there's almost a hundred 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.520 percent chances being eaves dropped on. Well, it's just twelve 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:55.440 in here. Well. So, another very very old statistic that 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.919 I still see sighted today is that companies eaves dropped 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.600 on like four million calls a year. But that was 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:07.480 from nine seven, number right right, which I find it 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.080 sad that the a c l U hasn't done any 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:15.359 report on workplace surveillance, workplace spying, anything like that since 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.200 the late nineties. It's two thousand, fourteen a c l U. 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.960 Let's get on the ball. Yeah, I mean it's a 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.679 it's not all Naziason clansman, you know, like there are 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.480 other issues to be addressed. You just did jazz hands 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:33.359 to Nazeason klansmen. Um. Here's the thing though, with wire tapping, 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.359 supposedly federal losses, you can't wire tap because you need 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:43.439 consent from the party, But the Privacy Electronic Communication Privacy 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:48.040 Act of nineteen six said they can eavesdrop on job 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.760 related talk. And how do you know if it's job 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.000 related unless you listen in for a few minutes first, right, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.800 so they're protected, it's all. It's a loophole. They can 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.399 listen to all your calls. Yeah all don't know how 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.880 how long they can listen, but long enough to determine 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:05.600 if you're going to be talking about work. So that's 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:07.720 that's a pretty wide margin. I think a couple of 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:13.399 minutes is is UM routinely argued for in cases like that, 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:20.680 and the UM Electronic Protection Act UM, the Electronic Communications 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.800 Privacy Act says there's two types of communication and once 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:30.720 protected and one's not stored, communication is not UM. Communication 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:36.040 that's simultaneously transmitted and received is protected. And they were 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.720 staying like they were basically protecting a phone call because 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.720 we could possibly come in the future to supplant the 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.520 phone covers exactly. So phone calls are very much protected 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.720 again except for that work around with with business where 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.159