Speaker 1: Some commentators and stuff talk about how like the transphobia thing,
Speaker 1: like once you start being transphobic, it's just like this
Speaker 1: spiral into like it feels like mental illness because you
Speaker 1: just like JK Rowling, like that became her personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have we've seen that black mold theory that's been on
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's multiple pictures and then she changed
Speaker 1: her profile picture and they called they're trying to call
Speaker 1: her JK Molding, like fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: It really looks fucked up, like she hasn't. I guess
Speaker 2: it's just it's like the gray Gardens thing, where you
Speaker 2: haven't had anyone around you who has told you the
Speaker 2: truth in such a long time.
Speaker 1: About the insides of your walls.
Speaker 2: Right, you would think that she would have had enough
Speaker 2: contractors come through her house to like is it.
Speaker 1: Just so so rich?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and also self farness. As a writer, she's
Speaker 3: like living inside of a tragedy. Like her house is
Speaker 3: a metaphor. Right, it's very it's very direct, it's very meta.
Speaker 2: I quite like the black mold as a metaphor.
Speaker 1: Where do you think the name Cho Chang came from?
Speaker 2: Cho Chang? I don't know the sporesang sounds like the Jews.
Speaker 1: Out of the Goblins. The spores told me.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty one,
Speaker 2: episode four of at Least I Guys, WHOA My voice
Speaker 2: cracked a little bit. It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's
Speaker 2: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America
Speaker 2: share consciousness. I'm trying to learn not to speak directly
Speaker 2: with my lips pressed against the microphone here, like three
Speaker 2: thousand episodes into the show, I've been told my mike
Speaker 2: discipline is bad.
Speaker 4: Quick kissing your mic.
Speaker 2: Quick making out with the mic. I'm eating that thing,
Speaker 2: probably spitting on that thing.
Speaker 1: To be honest, the mic is his couch.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's to me what the couches to
Speaker 2: other people. It is Thursday, August fifteenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Did I say that? I don't know who cares? Who knows?
Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka.
Speaker 5: I guess where stuck above the world because of budgets.
Speaker 5: Guess where stuck above the world because of budgets till
Speaker 5: twenty five.
Speaker 2: Stuck at doc in Nita shower. My teeth rot from
Speaker 2: bowing cowers can't return. It'll burn people. Second, first, the firm.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. I know you expect this quit going,
Speaker 2: but it did not. It was plenty well done. Jmu
Speaker 2: sick one on the discord in reference to the Boeing
Speaker 2: astronauts who are stuck on the International Space Station because
Speaker 2: Boeing cannot stop fucking up. They just they don't want to.
Speaker 2: Actually they're yeah, so they're gonna keep them up there
Speaker 2: until twenty twenty five. It makes them horny. Boeing is like, ooh,
Speaker 2: did we do that? Sorry, making a little betty boop.
Speaker 1: Like they're like rubbing their nipples.
Speaker 2: God, Boeing is so horny getting those astronauts stuck up there.
Speaker 2: It is boy astronaut, girl asternauts.
Speaker 1: Like the emergency room. They're pulling astronauts out of bowing yeah,
Speaker 1: like no, you're back again. You just fell on an astronaut.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's right. Yeah. It's like a less feel
Speaker 2: good version of the Martian, Like if all the scenes
Speaker 2: about science were about like quarterly earnings and like pr
Speaker 2: spin and them just fighting with NASA to be like
Speaker 2: let us blow them up. We just want to get them.
Speaker 2: This just looks so bad. And anyways, I'm thrilled to
Speaker 2: be joined by a very special guest co host, a
Speaker 2: hilarious stand up comedian, writer, actor improviser. You can catch
Speaker 2: her on stage at the monthly Facial Recognition comedy show,
Speaker 2: which she also produces. It's probably gunwa.
Speaker 1: Get ready for this one.
Speaker 6: I know you wanted me to stay, but I can't
Speaker 6: ignore the crazy visions of me in DC. And I
Speaker 6: heard that there's a special couch where boys and girls
Speaker 6: can all be queens. Every single day, I'm having wicked
Speaker 6: dreams of leaving Ohio. I hear the White House. I
Speaker 6: swear it's calling me. We'll make the tech bros proud.
Speaker 6: It's gonna cause a scene they see their baby boy.
Speaker 6: I know they're gonna scream events.
Speaker 2: What have you done?
Speaker 6: You're a pink pony boy and you dance with repubs
Speaker 6: Silk and Valley. I'm I'm just having fun on the
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Speaker 2: Oh Ride Rip pubs.
Speaker 1: Wow, I had to make up for yesterday.
Speaker 2: Wait, what was yesterday? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was hosting and I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you went you went hoard today I went forward.
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to balance out your throwbacks, Jack,
Speaker 1: you have a good you have a good selection. And
Speaker 1: I had to throw in someone whose name I can't pronounce.
Speaker 2: Still, what is that song?
Speaker 1: It's Pink Pony Club by Chapel Roane. I can't even
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: say her name. Chappelle, you know, I keep calling her
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle Roam, which is so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured it was a song by either Chappelle
Speaker 2: Roan or the other one who rat Espresso I know, Charlie, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Serena Carpenter the other one that I'm just like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: but uh huh, I get it. That's that is some
Speaker 2: energetic pop music. But I am too old. Well, Paulavy,
Speaker 2: it's wonderful having you here. Tip your waiters. She's here
Speaker 2: all week, folks, But we are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 2: in our third seat by a very talented writer, stand
Speaker 2: up comedian co host of The Bechdel Cast. One of
Speaker 2: the great film podcasts. They also happen to have a
Speaker 2: master's degree in film, not something that they ever mentioned.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there.
Speaker 1: That's wild. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I had no Oh my god, I had no idea.
Speaker 2: The most anagrammable name in the English language. So if
Speaker 2: you've been given their name in a jumble of out
Speaker 2: of order scrabble tiles, you may know them as Lauren
Speaker 2: d Titanic or nine tit Dracula or Latin dancer Uti
Speaker 2: it to us, they will always be Caitlin D.
Speaker 4: Got another one, got another? I think this is new. Wow, Okay, ready,
Speaker 4: let acid rain nut.
Speaker 2: Let you know, acid rain nut.
Speaker 4: If you're like, what what should I let acid rain do?
Speaker 4: N let it nut?
Speaker 2: You know, thank you gross. But I.
Speaker 1: Feel like that's been a Republican policy for generations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the environment all over.
Speaker 1: Let it nut like mother nature, more like male.
Speaker 4: Nature, Daddy nature. Let it fa chemical, harmful, corrosive chemicals
Speaker 4: all over your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it throws up the towel at us
Speaker 1: tells us to clean up after exactly.
Speaker 2: Caitlin, how are you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I'm as good as anyone could be. While
Speaker 4: we're all dying of capitalism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so great, great just in Denisle, you know,
Speaker 1: just making our way through the world.
Speaker 2: Making our way through the world today and it kind
Speaker 2: of sucks. All right, Well, Caitlyn, we're going to get
Speaker 2: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 2: we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
Speaker 2: we're talking about today. Trump is suing America as things
Speaker 2: continue to go bad behind scenes for him. I love
Speaker 2: the picture of him. Did you guys see the picture
Speaker 2: of him just like staring down at his phone kind
Speaker 2: of with his head and then it's folded.
Speaker 1: The men'swear guy started to going on his shoulder pads
Speaker 1: because they're all weird looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, too padded. But yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: that really sums up where we're at with him, where
Speaker 2: he's just like looking at his phone. I think it
Speaker 2: was actually the Elon Musk interview, but it does just
Speaker 2: look like somebody looking at their phone waiting for someone
Speaker 2: to text back. And it feels like he is at
Speaker 2: the point where he's like waiting for America to text
Speaker 2: back and be like, we are still interested in the
Speaker 2: crazy shit you do and it's just not happening.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you're weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about how that's all going. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about the plans to rat fuck the election from the
Speaker 2: Republican side. We'll talk about the decline of Hollywood. We
Speaker 2: talked yesterday about Apple reigning in some of their streaming spending.
Speaker 2: Paramount just shit canned their TV studios. So we'll look
Speaker 2: at just the broad world of a depressed entertainment economy.
Speaker 2: Might even get to mister Beast's real world squid game,
Speaker 2: which insane apparently not great, which I was surprised by.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got, mister Beast, You've got an unronic,
Speaker 2: real world version of squa a game. I don't see
Speaker 2: what could go wrong with those two ingredients combined.
Speaker 1: There's the interview of the person who was kept awake
Speaker 1: for a lot in solitary confinement for thirty days.
Speaker 2: Did you no? I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: But it might be violating war rules Geneva convention.
Speaker 2: That's what's so funny about him is he violates Geneva conventions,
Speaker 2: but he gets people to do it because he has
Speaker 2: a lot of money. So it's cool and we like it.
Speaker 2: Mister Beast, folks, we love him. Don't we folks. I
Speaker 2: think Trump's going to fire bands and replace him with
Speaker 2: mister Beast. I think that's the only thing that could
Speaker 2: save his campaign. Before we get to any of it, Caitlin,
Speaker 2: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 2: from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 4: I googled this phrase dating apps that don't suck shit?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and I don't yield.
Speaker 4: The results I was up for.
Speaker 1: Did it yield results about dating?
Speaker 4: It was just like, here are some dating apps that
Speaker 4: you already use and.
Speaker 1: That do have traumatize you in real time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so didn't really find what I was looking for,
Speaker 4: but I think I made a valiant effort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good search. I don't know how
Speaker 2: they got around that search. That seems pretty air tight.
Speaker 1: That's well, what is the name of the like when
Speaker 1: someone's attracted to somebody's intelligence, sabio sexual? They had an
Speaker 1: app that was like that, and it was all the
Speaker 1: dumbest people, right, It's like people who just found out
Speaker 1: what the word sabio sexual means.
Speaker 2: Sure, people, And I'm sure it attracts a lot of
Speaker 2: people who do their own research, which are not always
Speaker 2: actually the smartest people I have found, And that's just
Speaker 2: a personal opinion, but it's what I have found. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like eight, like there's probably a
Speaker 2: dating app that, like their log line, their pitch is like,
Speaker 2: We're the dating app that doesn't suck shit, and it's
Speaker 2: just the worst dating app, probably because like that's just
Speaker 2: how capitalism, this modern version of capitalism works, is like,
Speaker 2: so we'll claim that we don't do the thing that
Speaker 2: we actually do, and then we do that thing harder
Speaker 2: than any anybody.
Speaker 4: Else, anyone else. Yeah. Yeah, they all seem to be
Speaker 4: competing with each other for the suck shittiest.
Speaker 2: The shit suckingest app. How is the.
Speaker 1: Meeting people in real life situation right now? Given that
Speaker 1: the app sucks so bad, I feel like I'm people
Speaker 1: might be going back to that. Is that true? I think?
Speaker 4: So I keep hearing about people joining like running club
Speaker 4: to meet people, and here's the thing. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be in a running club. But I did join
Speaker 4: a co ed soccer team.
Speaker 1: That's There's like, so there was a moment where meetups
Speaker 1: were a thing where they would do like Peyton wine
Speaker 1: nights and it was just like strangers, you know what?
Speaker 1: I mean or people who were trying to make friends
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I feel like that's kind of coming
Speaker 1: back in. Maybe not in that format, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I did like a speed dating
Speaker 4: like my first ever speed dating event, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like a while ago now is like probably sixish months ago,
Speaker 4: but it was kind of as it was pretty suck
Speaker 4: shit as well. Yeah, it's just it's the quality of
Speaker 4: the people is the big problem.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: I don't have anything against. It's the people who suck shit.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole thing with dating is you have
Speaker 1: to interact with people, and if they suck shit, the
Speaker 1: whole experience. Shit.
Speaker 4: That's right, and it just so happens that most people
Speaker 4: suck shit. So you got to.
Speaker 1: Get through that shit suckers to find a real diamond sucker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean exactly. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: shit around diamonds.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: The diamond in the rock more like the diamond in
Speaker 4: the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the diamond in the heavily compacted ship. You know.
Speaker 1: Okay, car all right, Daily's sikey No, No, I wasn't
Speaker 1: getting you on track at all.
Speaker 4: Trust me.
Speaker 1: I would never do that. Daily zyke eves people if
Speaker 1: you know a single person who doesn't suck shit, damn
Speaker 1: me so that it doesn't go to Caitlin's inbox, and
Speaker 1: then all of you filled that all that, Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn deserves the best, and then maybe we'll get one
Speaker 1: person who is perfect for you.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's hope. So they have to like Paddington and
Speaker 4: that's about it. Does anybody know Paddington? Does anybody know Paddington?
Speaker 4: Do you know him personally? I just want to date
Speaker 4: you to get to Paddington.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what this all comes down to. The
Speaker 4: people on the dating apps suck shit because they don't
Speaker 4: know Paddington.
Speaker 1: I met this person on a dating app. They were Paddington, fucker.
Speaker 2: And that was that was like a story of a
Speaker 2: great experience, right, That was the beginning of a tail
Speaker 2: that ends with wedding bells.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me meeting Caitlin on a dating app.
Speaker 2: They just keep asking about Paddington, my cousin, Have you
Speaker 2: tried AI? I've been told by the creator of Bumble
Speaker 2: that we're all just going to be on dating apps
Speaker 2: using AI as our personal Our ais will date each
Speaker 2: other to figure out if we're compatible.
Speaker 4: I'd rather walk into the ocean.
Speaker 2: Muttering to yourself with fish. Yeah. I think that's a
Speaker 2: better plan actually than the their plan. What is something
Speaker 2: you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: I think raccoons. I love raccoons, I know, but I
Speaker 4: think they have a bad reputation. People think they are,
Speaker 4: you know, these like skeevy, little gross, little creatures who
Speaker 4: go through trash and they love. Yeah, but they're so cute,
Speaker 4: And I don't really know a whole lot about them,
Speaker 4: aside from the fact that I think they're cute and
Speaker 4: that they have this reputation for being little trash monsters.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I love raccoons. I think they're adorable, and I think
Speaker 4: people should not be so harsh on them.
Speaker 2: So a couple of quick questions, have you seen a
Speaker 2: raccoon without hair?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, and I don't do that, And then.
Speaker 1: Don't cover the alopecia raccoons.
Speaker 2: Jack, I'm not coming for them. I'm just warning because
Speaker 2: I don't want Caitlin to stop liking raccoons. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, I also think raccoons are very cute. However,
Speaker 2: I also so I was trying to befriend a murder
Speaker 2: of crows in my backyard. This was happening over the
Speaker 2: course of a year.
Speaker 1: That is such a choke, Like you feel so chosen
Speaker 1: when they like you.
Speaker 2: I know, they never really came around they I think
Speaker 2: it was my personality. They were like, he's like too desperate,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like he just like sits out there next
Speaker 2: to those almonds and just like has that sad look
Speaker 2: on his face. Anyways, I found one of the crows
Speaker 2: like ripped in half in my backyard and I was like, what,
Speaker 2: like monstrous cat did this? And then I noticed that
Speaker 2: it was like right next to a overturned trash can,
Speaker 2: and I have to assume.
Speaker 1: Circumstantial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was circumstantial, but it was like the most circumstantial.
Speaker 1: And also a raccoon watching blood off its little tiny paws.
Speaker 2: He like caught him, like he like turned around like
Speaker 2: looking guilty as fuck.
Speaker 1: He shoved the bandana from his around his eyes in
Speaker 1: his pocket.
Speaker 2: And I had seen a giant raccoon like in my
Speaker 2: front yard like earlier that week. It was it was
Speaker 2: a lot of circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 4: I don't think raccoons kill rip crows in half.
Speaker 2: I did find a video of a raccoon grabbing a
Speaker 2: crow and then like just absconding with the crow into
Speaker 2: the underbrush.
Speaker 1: Like on YouTube or something. So it's something that they do.
Speaker 2: But not that you can believe everything you see on YouTube,
Speaker 2: but it was.
Speaker 4: That was an AI generated video.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: I do think that they're very smart and very cute.
Speaker 1: I've seen like a lot of rehabbed raccoons on my
Speaker 1: Instagram and they're like, they're all just like I feel
Speaker 1: like all animals are puppies if you give them enough
Speaker 1: time to get to know them, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I feel like raccoons are similar. And I do
Speaker 1: feel like the reason that we get so annoyed with
Speaker 1: animals that are in our proximity because of our own
Speaker 1: our waste products, is because we don't want to be
Speaker 1: reminded of our dirtiness, you know what I mean. Because
Speaker 1: raccoons survive off of that, or like those monkeys that
Speaker 1: kind of survive off of human waste or like waste
Speaker 1: products or whatever or trash or whatever. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're dirty or like pigeons, But that's us, that's not
Speaker 1: the raccoon, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's our wasst that they're ours, like going through Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're clean. They're un wasting all the food that we waste.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're cleaning everything up. They're a little recycling pandas
Speaker 1: not trash can does.
Speaker 4: That reduce, reuse, recycle, that's the motto of raccoons.
Speaker 1: Raccoon reduce respecting.
Speaker 2: You try to throw it away and hide all the
Speaker 2: ship that you're wasting. They rip it back out and
Speaker 2: just put it on blast for everybody to see. Look
Speaker 2: at look at what you've done, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the little Greta Thunbergs of cards.
Speaker 2: That's great. Underrated, even though they did murder one of
Speaker 2: my crows. What is something you think is overrated? Kitlin?
Speaker 4: All right, living in LA this is blasphemous to say,
Speaker 4: but I think hiking is overrated.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 4: Anyone who's like go hiking with me, I tell them
Speaker 4: to shove it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quote shove it.
Speaker 4: It's just it's too hard. I know it's a good
Speaker 4: workout or whatever, but it's slow, and it's much time
Speaker 4: with you, and it's hard. Yeah, and I'm sweaty, and
Speaker 4: especially like people I've suggested or no sorry, people have
Speaker 4: suggested to me as a first date that we go
Speaker 4: hiking and I'm like, you want to see me all
Speaker 4: gross and sweaty and a not sex context, right, You Like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be smelly yea and nasty. And also
Speaker 4: hiking is hard and that's why I don't like it.
Speaker 4: And I what if you sprain your ankle? The risks
Speaker 4: are high. I hate hiking the end.
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, here's the thing. I like having done
Speaker 1: a hike. In the moment, I'm like, what did I do?
Speaker 1: Why did I do this? Especially when it's hot. If
Speaker 1: it's a cool day, that's different. It's like a fun walk.
Speaker 1: And also I think a big part of the LA
Speaker 1: hiking culture is we don't have enough what is it
Speaker 1: like third place is like not work, not home, but
Speaker 1: someplace else where we can yeah, third place, And we
Speaker 1: don't have enough nature that's like right next to us,
Speaker 1: that's like not crowded because of how the city is
Speaker 1: laid out. So we all take our dogs there because
Speaker 1: we don't have enough dog parks or yards or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so for me, my goal with hiking is to
Speaker 1: wear my dogs out so that they don't take control
Speaker 1: of my one bedroom apartment when I come back, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of people think that way.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, like, it's not just for me, it's
Speaker 1: for my dog, and then.
Speaker 4: Fat, I don't have a dog. I have a hundred raccoons.
Speaker 1: So they can carry you up and down.
Speaker 2: On a sea of raccoons.
Speaker 1: That is such a disturbing and.
Speaker 2: Keep the intimidating.
Speaker 4: For some reason, that's why I have such a hard
Speaker 4: time on the dating apps, because they see me with
Speaker 4: a photo with one hundreds and.
Speaker 1: You're getting sweaty during this during them just carrying you everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your ideal first date activity? Is it
Speaker 2: a movie? Is it just a no?
Speaker 4: I think a movie is a bad first date, as
Speaker 4: much as I love movies, because you don't have the
Speaker 4: opportunity to interact really and talk. If it's like dinner
Speaker 4: plus a movie, maybe, but I tend to prefer the standard,
Speaker 4: like grab a drink. Sure, if you have like an
Speaker 4: easy you're not stuck it with a meal. If you don't,
Speaker 4: if you're not into the day and you need to
Speaker 4: bail early, yeah.
Speaker 2: We have heard that you are willing to bail mid meal,
Speaker 2: mid drink, Like just right.
Speaker 1: I've done it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've bailed. I've bailed after a half hour kind
Speaker 4: of thing, which.
Speaker 1: What did you did you say anything or did you
Speaker 1: just slowly back into a bush like Homer Symon.
Speaker 4: No, I'll be like, look, I'm not really feeling this,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go, and usually it works out something great.
Speaker 1: I love that. I wish I had done that on
Speaker 1: so many occasions. I wish I'd been like, this date
Speaker 1: is not going well, and then I just moved over
Speaker 1: a seat and gotten a drink with myself, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that. Superducer Victor points out that
Speaker 2: the hiking date, if it's not going well, you are still.
Speaker 4: Stuck walking back a few miles, and which is a
Speaker 4: strategy on the first like I think three dates even.
Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of men choose it
Speaker 1: is because they're like, I'm I want to go hiking
Speaker 1: act with me. It's free. And then they're like, you
Speaker 1: can't bail, so they can, you know, stick stick with
Speaker 1: you the whole time. And I think that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of men use it as a first date. And
Speaker 1: that's why I hate going. I don't think I've done
Speaker 1: like hiking dates as a first date ever. I only
Speaker 1: do that with friends. I need to catch up with
Speaker 1: I'm like, I had a long catch up with my friend,
Speaker 1: and it works great for that, but I would never
Speaker 1: do it as a date for sure.
Speaker 2: Does take like forty five minutes for them to explain
Speaker 2: the finer points of libertarianism though, So that's why it
Speaker 2: does work out pretty well because for the first like thirty,
Speaker 2: you might not be on board, but it really they
Speaker 2: bring it home and deck.
Speaker 1: When you say them, do you mean.
Speaker 2: They just other guys?
Speaker 1: Definitely not me, not me. I definitely don't have my
Speaker 1: favorite libertarian hikes mapped out across the city.
Speaker 2: This one has timed out perfectly for the Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: arguing for libertarianism. Yeah, I like work on my breath
Speaker 2: so that I can talk like it's like Beyonce before
Speaker 2: a concert. Wait, I have to be able to talk
Speaker 2: the whole.
Speaker 1: I literally used to do that to try to wrap
Speaker 1: the bust of rhymes verse on. Look at me now.
Speaker 1: I would walk up and downhills while I.
Speaker 2: Was like, I did the dice rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to keep the dice rolling.
Speaker 2: It works. Wow, Yeah, amazing, that was I remember that
Speaker 2: was an anecdote about big Boy from Outcast that like
Speaker 2: blew me away when I was a kid that he
Speaker 2: used to like wrap while running to like get his
Speaker 2: wind up. Like at live shows, he never was out
Speaker 2: of breath.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have friends who are rappers who who since
Speaker 1: they've started running, have really improved their performance. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm never going to be performer.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, that's right, all right, I run while I
Speaker 4: do my stand upright, stand up while I'm running, so
Speaker 4: that I.
Speaker 1: Never I'm just running past people. I'm like, you ever
Speaker 1: suck a dick?
Speaker 2: You'd see in La just sprint doing sprints, hill sprint
Speaker 2: for the croft. Yeah. LA sounds terrible after this first act,
Speaker 2: where like running clubs are where people meet and like
Speaker 2: everybody's just hiking.
Speaker 4: Hiking, and people hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're allowed to say it. Other people in New
Speaker 1: York don't even start saying anything. We're allowed to say
Speaker 1: for me, we can hate La. We live here, that's right.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back. And we're back. So Yeah, there's the image
Speaker 2: of Trump looking at his phone on a table, looking
Speaker 2: kind of forlorn that I feel like is the image
Speaker 2: of the moment just wait, Trump waiting for America to
Speaker 2: text back. But yeah, while Kelly and Conwen, his advisors,
Speaker 2: continue to like beg him to stay on message and
Speaker 2: deliver disciplined attacks on Harrison Walls via Fox News. We
Speaker 2: talked about on trending, like they're just going on Fox
Speaker 2: News to be like, okay, so this is the strategy, sir,
Speaker 2: because they can't. He won't listen to anything that's not
Speaker 2: like coming through his TV on Fox News. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so in public appearances, he's acting like nothing's changed. He's
Speaker 2: got this in the bag, there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, it's apparently getting a little sweaty, which
Speaker 2: might be why he's gone with a new color palette.
Speaker 2: By the way, have you noticed that he's like no
Speaker 2: longer as colorful. He's just kind of looks like a
Speaker 2: pale old man. Now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Biden took his hand. Do you
Speaker 1: remember when they started teaching Biden towards the end, like
Speaker 1: old leather towards the end when he was like debating
Speaker 1: and stuff, and like right after the debate they started
Speaker 1: making him take the orange, and it's like he sucked
Speaker 1: the color out of Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, through the dick. He sucked it through the dick.
Speaker 2: I'm just I have some short stories and that you
Speaker 2: should check out. But yeah. So apparently he has grown
Speaker 2: increasingly upset about Harris's surging pull numbers and media coverage
Speaker 2: since replacing Biden on the ticket, complaining relentlessly and asking
Speaker 2: friends about how his campaign is performing, which is I
Speaker 2: love that little detail.
Speaker 1: Instead of telling that's gross. Oh my god, I love
Speaker 1: to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, do people like me? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We need to bring back the tiny
Speaker 1: hands thing. We could have this whole. It could be
Speaker 1: another raccoon moment, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, they do have terrifying I.
Speaker 1: Love their tiny little hand Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they I mean, but I think that's why
Speaker 2: they're able to tear a bird clean and half. Anyways,
Speaker 2: they uh did not go the way you want it.
Speaker 4: I don't think you have enough proof. Okay, but it
Speaker 4: was a raccoon? Yeah, who tore this crow in half?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I just anyone has information on the crow that was
Speaker 1: torn in asf please please let us know.
Speaker 4: Even if it was a raccoon that tore the crow
Speaker 4: in half, I'm sure he had a really good reason.
Speaker 2: What if the crow was trying to get at the
Speaker 2: trash while he was eating the trash, which is his
Speaker 2: duty as an American. So you know, the crow fucked up.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not getting any closer to the crows either, Jack.
Speaker 1: They're going to hear this.
Speaker 2: You know that. Oh yeah, they're they're big listeners. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like that the Trump campaign has all the
Speaker 2: pulling and like strategic firepower of a leasing leading like
Speaker 2: presidential campaign. And he's just like asking his friends how
Speaker 2: he looks. He's like, he did, so, how do you
Speaker 2: think we're doing? Do you think we're Do I look
Speaker 2: cool out there?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the whole reason he's running, That's the
Speaker 1: only is for money and power and like to feel
Speaker 1: cool in front of Baron, Like that's.
Speaker 2: It, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean like the people that that baron,
Speaker 1: like his friends.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah that's true. I do feel like a
Speaker 2: group of like fourteen year old boys could completely ruin
Speaker 2: his self self confidence, which is very relatable.
Speaker 1: If I got roasted by a group of fourteen year
Speaker 1: old boys, yeah I would have a run for president again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never leave my parents' basement.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But also so he's also in public been expressing a
Speaker 2: lot of confidence in the JD. Vance pick. Behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: not so much there. There's quotes from people who have
Speaker 2: been talking with him who said he picked Vance, he
Speaker 2: knows Vance was a terrible, terrible pick. This is Scaramucci,
Speaker 2: remember him.
Speaker 1: This guy is back in full force.
Speaker 2: I know quote he's lighting people up and I had
Speaker 2: his campaign right now about picking Vance, which just you know,
Speaker 2: we all we already know how he feels about Don Junior,
Speaker 2: who is the one who like chose this candidate.
Speaker 1: It's like, who DoD Junior?
Speaker 2: Who's that Yeah, you're dead to me. I do wonder
Speaker 2: if he like it's probably too late for him to
Speaker 2: switch up VP candidates, although he seems so jealous of
Speaker 2: the Democrats making the change that I could see him
Speaker 2: trying to do it, trying to like fire Vance, and
Speaker 2: I don't know who he would bring bring in in
Speaker 2: his place. But like the other quote that they say
Speaker 2: is he keeps saying it's unfair that I beat him,
Speaker 2: and now I have to beat her too, So he's
Speaker 2: like the you know, I could see that logic leading
Speaker 2: him to try and fire Vance.
Speaker 1: But then, yeah, who would he bring in? Who do
Speaker 1: you think I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know, like probably not Marco Rubio, but I
Speaker 2: really don't know. Maybe Nikki Haley, although.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be really funny because he is
Speaker 1: very hypocritical, and so he would be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: very insecure about being old and not a woman and
Speaker 1: not ethnic in any capacity. Right, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: bring someone in which is for the for a DEI
Speaker 1: whatever that I called the other group out on. But
Speaker 1: then he would hate her immediately. Yes, there's no one
Speaker 1: that he could bring in that he wouldn't absolutely hate.
Speaker 1: I feel like it almost he almost would like want
Speaker 1: to get rid of Vans and then just run the
Speaker 1: show on. Like he would be like, I'm also vice
Speaker 1: president or like Ivanka come back, like like the like
Speaker 1: defendant who is his son defending?
Speaker 2: I mean, he is suing America. He's basically doing the
Speaker 2: equivalent of being like this whole courtrooms out of.
Speaker 1: Order because he loves this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing that's kind of putting the whole
Speaker 2: movement of like the polls away from Trump towards Harris
Speaker 2: and Walls into perspective is actually a clip from Nicky
Speaker 2: Haley being interviewed on CNN last February, where She said,
Speaker 2: the party that gets rid of their eighty year old
Speaker 2: candidate is the party that will win. There will be
Speaker 2: a female president of the United States. It will either
Speaker 2: be me or it will be Kamala Harris. If Republicans
Speaker 2: nominate Donald Trump, it will be Kamala Harris. We have
Speaker 2: to respect. Seventy percent of Americans said they don't want
Speaker 2: a Biden Trump rematch. The majority of Americans disapprove of
Speaker 2: Trump and disapprove of Biden. So if that's right, that
Speaker 2: explains kind of what is happening. People like didn't don't
Speaker 2: like either of them, and the only reason Trump looked
Speaker 2: like he was going to win was because they like
Speaker 2: really didn't like Biden.
Speaker 1: How freaked out you're saying? Nicky Haley is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I was right, you guys, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: If did it, I got one right.
Speaker 1: It's insane. I can't believe they recorded that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just think that there's so much energy
Speaker 2: right now, Like the latest polling has Kamala up five.
Speaker 2: Inflation just dropped to its lowest level in three years,
Speaker 2: so everything's looking good for her. It would be so
Speaker 2: cool if she could get her administration to stop funding
Speaker 2: the mass murder of a bunch of innocent children in Palestine.
Speaker 1: But she is not paying a price for that right now, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: So why would she stop if she doesn't have the
Speaker 1: external pressure to do so.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there are going to be protests
Speaker 2: that the DNC. It will be interesting to see how
Speaker 2: much attention they get and what that attention looks like,
Speaker 2: because it really feels like the way the mainstream media
Speaker 2: metabolized the student protests, it has like turned it into
Speaker 2: these are like anti Israel protests, anti Semitic protests like that,
Speaker 2: they just like went with the bad faith interpretation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also interesting to see how the trends have
Speaker 1: gone on Twitter, Like there's a huge increase in people
Speaker 1: calling Palestinian protesters or activists the watermelon people, Like this
Speaker 1: has become a thing, like I knew those watermelon people
Speaker 1: were insidious or whatever and trying to pit different cultural
Speaker 1: groups or races against each other, and it's just been
Speaker 1: it's just been really weird to see the influx of
Speaker 1: those types of tweets. So I'm not sure if they're
Speaker 1: like genuine or if people are getting caught up, or
Speaker 1: if it's like box or something or some combination of them.
Speaker 1: But we do know that there have been Box involved
Speaker 1: in previous American elections right before to try to influence it,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if there were some of that.
Speaker 1: But simultaneously, it is such a dismissive terminology. I really
Speaker 1: hope it's not something that's taking on a life of
Speaker 1: its own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Twitter is absolute garbage.
Speaker 1: That's when I do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are good. But then no, but they're like
Speaker 2: they just keep pushing the dial to be like more
Speaker 2: fascists more. Oh you you're still using it? How about
Speaker 2: even more fascists like they I did get a helpful
Speaker 2: notification that the Trump Musk interview was happening the other night.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh cool, thanks, you know me so well.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's a it's not a good.
Speaker 1: Why do you turn into Mario when you're thinking about the.
Speaker 2: That's that's how I'm getting good. So if I I'm
Speaker 2: trying to wean myself off of a Trump my Trump
Speaker 2: voice by doing a Mario.
Speaker 1: Going back to the last choice, yeah, that's a really
Speaker 1: great choice.
Speaker 2: You're a fashions Let's take a quick break, shall we,
Speaker 2: and come back and talk about things that aren't Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: Maybe let's do it and we're back. And so we
Speaker 2: talked yesterday about how Apple announced last week they're reigning
Speaker 2: in they're spending on streaming after launching a bunch of
Speaker 2: shows and keeping them a secret, like like it was
Speaker 2: a trade secret, like there were no supposed to know
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: That's what I make just for me.
Speaker 2: That's right now. Paramount announced within the past couple of
Speaker 2: days that they're shuttering their TV studios. But these are
Speaker 2: just examples of how economically depressed the American entertainment industry
Speaker 2: seems to have been for the past year.
Speaker 1: Not just economically, buddy, have you seen my bank account?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's bad out there. Like everybody I talked
Speaker 2: to who works in the entertainment industry is like, this
Speaker 2: is the worst I've ever seen it. Like that seems
Speaker 2: to be the and I've talked to I'm old as
Speaker 2: fuck you, guys. I've talked to some very old people
Speaker 2: who say it's the worst they've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It, well, like over thirty.
Speaker 2: Like even thirty five.
Speaker 1: Disgusting.
Speaker 2: I try not to hang out with them, but you know, weird.
Speaker 1: They take your life for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need their putting fed to them.
Speaker 4: So but I feel like this is all because of
Speaker 4: and I don't know enough about it. So I'm kind
Speaker 4: of speculating here, but the that's what that's how this
Speaker 4: show should be, right, just like making wild guesses and yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Weird, caveat it, you can say anything. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: think I don't know enough about it.
Speaker 4: There's like too much supply and not enough demand. There's
Speaker 4: just like too much content and they're spending money on
Speaker 4: all these shows and like all these things, and every
Speaker 4: platform has like bazillion original series and original movies and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and it's like there's no conceivable way
Speaker 4: that any person who even like even people who consume
Speaker 4: a lot of media, such as myself, I'm constantly watching Flims, but.
Speaker 2: Like whim, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Flims.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're about three hours long with no breaks. Now
Speaker 1: you know Flims. You go to the movie Nicole Kidman
Speaker 1: talks at you at the beginning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll come to this place for Flims. So it's
Speaker 4: just like there's too much And that's why I'm guessing
Speaker 4: that's why there's such a Because back in the day
Speaker 4: when Hollywood was thriving is because there were like I
Speaker 4: don't know, likeludes three there's lutes and.
Speaker 2: That coalutes and cocaine at the same time, we thought
Speaker 2: both of them were healthy and they're only.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, five new movies coming out every month.
Speaker 4: And there was like just not that much content, and
Speaker 4: now there's too much. And if I know anything about
Speaker 4: the economics, which I don't, but I know some I
Speaker 4: know that it's like supply and demand. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 4: too much supply and not And there.
Speaker 2: Has been.
Speaker 1: Investing or like mentoring or allowing things to grow, which
Speaker 1: I think is tied into that problem. They're not allowing
Speaker 1: good content. That's like kind of the As an avid
Speaker 1: reality TV show fan, I have to call out that
Speaker 1: the reason that they do that is because it's a
Speaker 1: lot cheaper to do that and pump out a ton
Speaker 1: of seasons of the same show rather than invest in
Speaker 1: like the development of characters and plot and getting like
Speaker 1: the actors that you really want to get. That's like great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're not just not as
Speaker 1: invested in the quality of the content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so they invest they overinvested in streaming.
Speaker 2: They like went too hard on streaming, and now they
Speaker 2: have stopped developing like anything new, like they just cut
Speaker 2: it off. And that's why I like all these streaming
Speaker 2: companies are like you know, you're starting to see the
Speaker 2: headlines that they're like pulling it back after overinvesting without
Speaker 2: really any business plan of like how to make money
Speaker 2: off of that. It was just so I think there's
Speaker 2: like one of the big things that happened is like
Speaker 2: there's no it's now controlled by like five big companies.
Speaker 2: Like in the past Hollywood had been had enough regulations
Speaker 2: in place to prevent just massive consolidation like we have now,
Speaker 2: and then slowly by slowly, like starting with Reagan and
Speaker 2: into like the Clinton administration.
Speaker 4: Reygun yeah, well famous breakdancer Reygun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, she was the president of the US from
Speaker 2: eighty to eighty eight, and she came through and just deregulated,
Speaker 2: Like it's just deregulation over and over until now there's
Speaker 2: like only a handful of companies and they're all chasing
Speaker 2: each other, and you know, so like one of them
Speaker 2: has like decides to invest in streaming, and so they
Speaker 2: all like overinvest in streaming, and then there's just not
Speaker 2: the small companies anymore. Who like when the big companies
Speaker 2: all do the same stupid thing, are there to like
Speaker 2: zag and like do the smart thing that then the
Speaker 2: big companies like impersonate and like copy off of you know.
Speaker 2: So now it's just like big guys making terrible decisions
Speaker 2: and making the same terrible decision all at the same time,
Speaker 2: and nobody there to do the smart thing that like
Speaker 2: creates the market correction. That and then the other really
Speaker 2: big problem is that private equity has gotten Like in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, you know, when they were just
Speaker 2: basically printing money for free, private equity got involved in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and so now we have a handful of like massive
Speaker 2: companies and they private equity money is involved. So their
Speaker 2: instincts are like private equity are these like massive companies
Speaker 2: and their model is like trying to make money as
Speaker 2: quickly as possible. They're just like extracting capital from these
Speaker 2: companies that they're investing in or taking over.
Speaker 1: And so it's private equity equity.
Speaker 2: They're just like us, yes, yeah, And so I just
Speaker 2: feel like we have fewer people calling the shots, and
Speaker 2: the people calling the shots have just way worse instincts.
Speaker 2: And this is how you get to the entertainment dark
Speaker 2: ages that we might be about to live through, which.
Speaker 4: Is a bummer because so many good movie I feel
Speaker 4: like there was a period of like the content that
Speaker 4: was coming out and yet and like I'm speaking from
Speaker 4: a place of like my personal taste, yes, but but
Speaker 4: so so many of the movies that came out have
Speaker 4: come out with in the past like and I'm speaking
Speaker 4: again and also specifically about movies more so than TV.
Speaker 4: But I guess what I'm saying is no more TV.
Speaker 4: More movies. That's the platform that I'm running.
Speaker 1: Glimbs on flims.
Speaker 4: We've been heard this period in the past couple of
Speaker 4: years where like some really good not like major studio pictures,
Speaker 4: things that are like lower budget, not based on you know,
Speaker 4: comic books or any existing you know, huge properties, just
Speaker 4: like independent, low budget but like really well done movies
Speaker 4: are coming out. Because there was like I don't know,
Speaker 4: there was like five years where I'm like, every movie
Speaker 4: I've seen this year sucks. But within the past couple
Speaker 4: of years there's so much new good stuff and I
Speaker 4: would hate to see that all go away because Hollywood
Speaker 4: doesn't understand what people want.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Everyone should see DD. Everyone should see meeecap. Everyone should
Speaker 4: see other movies that have come out recently.
Speaker 2: Good the end, Thelma, Okay, is that good? Thelma?
Speaker 4: I loved Selma. I thought it was so fun. And
Speaker 4: then like last year, there were all these great movies Theater, Camp,
Speaker 4: Dix The Musical, and also others. Unless I have a
Speaker 4: list in front of me, I never know what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 1: But obviously The Beekeeper is on that list for sure.
Speaker 2: The bee Keeper Fully in the.
Speaker 4: Caper, Jason Statham in the actor Darling.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just watched Trap. That sure doesn't make sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm a huge advocate of Indian mediocrity, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to always support mn.
Speaker 2: Shyamalan and his kids. And Taylor he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that she was his niece in the movie.
Speaker 1: But it sounds but it might be as kid it
Speaker 1: was fully just an album rollout for her.
Speaker 2: I will say, intrigued by that. I want to see
Speaker 2: that the same I had.
Speaker 1: Such it's a trap itself because I had really high hopes.
Speaker 2: And isn't there anyone in your theater like trying to
Speaker 2: kill like kill people?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like no, well kind of because we
Speaker 1: went and Jackieth and I went and saw it, and
Speaker 1: Ryan from the Boys, the kid Homelander's son in The Boys,
Speaker 1: was there with all of his friends, like the actor
Speaker 1: who played Oh wow, that kid, but he wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to kill anyone.
Speaker 2: That's disappointing.
Speaker 1: It was a trap in that I thought it would
Speaker 1: be fun, and then it was fun, but also very confusing.
Speaker 1: One thing that I was going to say is like,
Speaker 1: this is all like on a high studio. Oh, there
Speaker 1: are these conglomerates, deregulation, regularization level, but for how that
Speaker 1: affects like us individually, the fact that we can't pitch
Speaker 1: new shows. But even beyond that, I'm seeing more and
Speaker 1: more huge celebrities in commercials that just nobody's like us
Speaker 1: should be in. You know.
Speaker 2: So the day to day in used to be just
Speaker 2: everyday actors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it used to be just every I went into
Speaker 1: audition and I saw somebody who I've seen for I
Speaker 1: don't remember. He's one of those people you see him
Speaker 1: in everything, you don't know his name. He was also auditioning.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing here? You're like a
Speaker 1: TV movie star. Let me sell my soul for this,
Speaker 1: Like why? And you see that with also like what
Speaker 1: they're willing to take risks on. And then the second
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say was I saw a clip
Speaker 1: that Jackie supposed today of like Matt Damon explaining why
Speaker 1: you can't make the same movies that you did in
Speaker 1: the nineties, and it's because of streaming and how like
Speaker 1: they had the DVD release and so they were able
Speaker 1: to get their income both from the box office and
Speaker 1: then the later DVD release. But now it's it's only
Speaker 1: it's very it's a lot less in theaters because people
Speaker 1: have the option of streaming, which I think is great
Speaker 1: and accessible, but it just means that less money is
Speaker 1: invested into different types of films and there's fewer risks
Speaker 1: that are being taken or fewer incentives for people to
Speaker 1: bet on these movies that might not might not have
Speaker 1: big box office summer action film Fast and the Furious
Speaker 1: thirty two rest assert release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they because it's they've been taken over by corporations.
Speaker 2: Corporations always want to like eliminate risk as much as possible,
Speaker 2: which is impossible with art. But up to this point,
Speaker 2: we've had a bunch of federal regulations protecting it from
Speaker 2: being the way it is, like right now four companies
Speaker 2: controlled more than seventy five percent of WGA writers earnings.
Speaker 2: Like there's four companies that control the whole thing like that.
Speaker 2: There were so many laws in place to keep that
Speaker 2: from happening, and now it's just these four companies who
Speaker 2: all when like one of them said we're going to
Speaker 2: do our launch our own streaming platform and like double
Speaker 2: down on content, they all did that. They created this
Speaker 2: like bloated thing that wasn't well thought through and like
Speaker 2: where they didn't know how they were going to get
Speaker 2: people to actually fucking watch the stuff that they were making,
Speaker 2: and then when that failed predictably, now they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the way that they're responding to that is
Speaker 2: like writers are no longer like they took away development pay.
Speaker 2: It used to be a thing where like they would
Speaker 2: sign on a writer to develop a pitch that they
Speaker 2: had approved or that they were interested in, and like
Speaker 2: that writer would be on the payroll for however long
Speaker 2: it took to develop it. And now they've just like
Speaker 2: changed it so that writers have to do that all
Speaker 2: by themselves, Like they don't get paid during the development process.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine a people to judge like McKinley consultant
Speaker 1: coming in and being like, you have to play moms now,
Speaker 1: you're too old. Top down consultant, business person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know writer who have like spent years developing
Speaker 2: projects that like are you know, have actors attached and
Speaker 2: like seem like they're gonna go and then never go.
Speaker 2: And that person just like worked for a year and
Speaker 2: didn't see like a single cent and it's just like
Speaker 2: that's the way it's set up. Now. It's like a
Speaker 2: really anti worker situation. It fucking sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend who has been working
Speaker 4: for a couple of years on a script that's like
Speaker 4: a studio backed superhero movie and like has not been
Speaker 4: paid to like frequently enough or enough like amount of
Speaker 4: money for all the work he has put in. And
Speaker 4: I keep being like like can you can you like,
Speaker 4: how do you advocate for yourself? Can you ask for
Speaker 4: money for the labor you're tirelessly doing? And he's just like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm trying, but they don't want to pay. And I'm
Speaker 4: just like what is this? What is this world? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's wild because also everybody is desperate and so there's
Speaker 1: always someone to replace you, and that just that feeling sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or like how during the writers' strike, I forget which
Speaker 1: executive said that they were essentially like trying to threaten
Speaker 1: us with homelessness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, which guy was that? Which horrible monster?
Speaker 2: It was either a Disney guy or Zazz the Zazz.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So the thing that they're going to because
Speaker 2: the development process has too much quote unquote like risk
Speaker 2: for these now like purely corporate entities that run seventy
Speaker 2: five percent of Hollywood, they're going to be even more
Speaker 2: reliant on IP, which is going to make movies shittier.
Speaker 2: Like we're already seeing people be like God, like Shazam
Speaker 2: two came out last year, Like I like that. I
Speaker 2: can't believe speaking of Libertarian last year, right, the same
Speaker 2: actor just drop what's his name zach Leva.
Speaker 4: Zackly, Zachary Levi and Harold and the Purple Crown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another another IP grab from like a nineteen fifties
Speaker 2: children's book. But because you don't have to like pay
Speaker 2: anyone whose idea that was, they're just like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: let's just grab fucking everything on our shelves and green
Speaker 2: light it. The Rubik's Cube the movie like whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, it's only okay when it's patted right.
Speaker 2: It's fine when it's and sometimes it works out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't for those reasons, if it wasn't to avoid
Speaker 1: paying people, mm hmm, because then they could actually make
Speaker 1: a good movie.
Speaker 2: Heard of. The Purple Crown cost forty million dollars on production,
Speaker 2: probably another forty in you know, marketing it, and it
Speaker 2: made nine million globally, like in its first week. Like
Speaker 2: it's just a complete And I could have told them
Speaker 2: if they had they had just asked me, I could
Speaker 2: have told them that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: And that money, that forty million is not going to
Speaker 1: Caitlin's friend who needs to get paid for them, No,
Speaker 1: going to other people.
Speaker 4: It's going to this already rich studio execs and shit
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean the there's a good article
Speaker 2: on Harper's about this. Author basically argues that some kind
Speaker 2: of radical intervention, either from the government or the workers,
Speaker 2: will be necessary to fix the problem. But I think everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody just lived through a really scary and
Speaker 2: difficult strike and now it's like worse than it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Daniel Bessner is the name of the person who were
Speaker 2: at the Harper article. So yeah, but that's like I think,
Speaker 2: I don't think people are quite aware of what's going
Speaker 2: on outside of Hollywood, but like inside of Hollywood, it's like, no,
Speaker 2: no new ideas are being like they're not even like
Speaker 2: responding to pitches anymore. They're just like that. Yeah. We
Speaker 2: there are a handful of massive companies and they have
Speaker 2: absolutely no appetite for risk a kaa like creativity or art.
Speaker 1: Whatever you do, do not let this episode get back
Speaker 1: to my parents. Do not let them know that we're
Speaker 1: doing fine health insurance. We're going to bu house any
Speaker 1: day now.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, Well, Caitlin, what a pleasure having you
Speaker 2: as always.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 4: You can follow me on Instagram, I guess. Actually please
Speaker 4: follow me because it makes me seem like a legitimate comedian,
Speaker 4: which I am, and I'm trying to do more stand
Speaker 4: up So if you want to book me on your
Speaker 4: stand up show, you can do that. Please, let's do that.
Speaker 4: You can listen to my podcast, The Bechdel Cast, where
Speaker 4: we examine movies through an intersexual feminist lens. A little
Speaker 4: plug I'd like to plug is Jamie and I are
Speaker 4: presenting a screening of the movie Chicken Run Wow in
Speaker 4: Los Angeles, the place that is actually awesome, even all
Speaker 4: over it for most of the episode. No, I actually
Speaker 4: really like living in LA and that's the truth. And
Speaker 4: we're doing this screening of Chicken Run a great flim
Speaker 4: as a part of American Cinema Techs Friend of the
Speaker 4: Fest podcast festival, where they have podcasters present one of
Speaker 4: their favorite movies. So Jamie and I are dressing up
Speaker 4: like chickens and this movie on August A Studio execs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: But come out to the Lowsphilas three on August twenty
Speaker 4: fifth at four o'clock for this screening of Trick and Run.
Speaker 4: Trick and Run, Yeah, it's like trick or treat, but
Speaker 4: you run afterwards after you've tricked the person.
Speaker 2: That's right full them big time.
Speaker 4: Chick and Run tickets are if you go to link
Speaker 4: tree slash Bechtel Cast. You can find them there or
Speaker 4: on the American Cinema Tech website. I'm also gonna plug
Speaker 4: once again my screenwriting classes. Again. I would never mention
Speaker 4: my master's degree in screenwriting never, but I do teach screen,
Speaker 4: I would mention my classes. I have an intro class
Speaker 4: and a workshopping class that I teach, So check those out.
Speaker 2: You can go where you can find out more about
Speaker 2: your master's degree. Yes, I actually just monologue three hours
Speaker 2: at a time about my master's degree. That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also when the when the entertainment industry comes back,
Speaker 1: you want to be prepared. Okay, They're gonna eventually take
Speaker 1: new pitches, and you want to be the first pitch
Speaker 1: in line.
Speaker 4: Okay, you want to be the not going to get
Speaker 4: paid for all the labor that you do, and you
Speaker 4: can learn to do that by taking my class. So
Speaker 4: go to Caitlin Durante dot com slash classes for all
Speaker 4: of that information. And uh, yeah, a piece of media
Speaker 4: I've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: Hey, is there a piece of media you've been enjoying, Hey, caitlinjoying.
Speaker 4: Well, for all the gang out there who are cat
Speaker 4: quest heads, cat Quest three is a video game. Okay,
Speaker 4: Uh cat Quest three dropped recently and I've been playing
Speaker 4: it and I've been enjoying it. So that's my answer.
Speaker 2: There you go, that is a piece of media you've
Speaker 2: been enjoying.
Speaker 4: So true, so true.
Speaker 2: By the way some spec scripts. These are the sorts
Speaker 2: of movies that we wouldn't have. You got your Thelma
Speaker 2: and Louise Goodwill Hunting American Beauty, the sixth sense, massive
Speaker 2: movies that north by Northwest Like a lot of the
Speaker 2: greatest movies of all time were movies that were not
Speaker 2: based on IP. I don't know why I need to
Speaker 2: give examples of that. A lot of good movies not
Speaker 2: based on IP out there, folks. I will be reading
Speaker 2: a three thousand movie long list about that later. Amazing.
Speaker 2: Paula Be, thank you so much for co hosting. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you as their workimedia you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I am at Paulivian Alan p A L l A
Speaker 1: v I g U n A l A N I
Speaker 1: am everywhere. I'm inside your walls like the moment, everywhere.
Speaker 1: I run a stand up show at the comedy store.
Speaker 1: August twentieth is our next show, and then the show
Speaker 1: after that is September twentieth. It's facial recognition comedy. You
Speaker 1: can follow our Instagram to find out more about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do one. That's my own tweet because I
Speaker 1: am obsessed with what this is. But then also I'll
Speaker 1: do a different one. But have you guys seen the
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Andrew Garfield Florence Peugh picture of
Speaker 1: their promo of their new movie in John Crowley's We
Speaker 1: Live in Time, And they're like on a carousel and
Speaker 1: Florence Pugh is like holding on to the pole on
Speaker 1: the carousel, and then Andrew Garfield has his head nuzzled
Speaker 1: into her. And then there's a really fucked up horse.
Speaker 1: It's part of the carousel and it's dumbest base. So
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be this romantic moment, but it just looks.
Speaker 1: I posted like I'm dying a this horse. But then
Speaker 1: I'm also like, this is me third wheeling my couple
Speaker 1: friends because I can't. I cannot stop looking at this poster.
Speaker 1: It's just it's bringing the Internet together. I just thought
Speaker 1: in the most fucked up way, Hey guys out It's
Speaker 1: like and I'm also here and everybody's like this this
Speaker 1: horse is British coated, like I'm just Strollberry. It's just
Speaker 1: like the most wholesome, innocuous, stupid thing. And then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna send this some.
Speaker 2: Horror film about.
Speaker 1: No idea.
Speaker 4: No, but I I'll write that on spec.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable that they were just like, yeah, I don't see
Speaker 2: anything weird about this at all. Let's get it. Let's
Speaker 2: get it out to the people. The internet thinks.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's some I feel like they almost
Speaker 1: did it on purpose. And then I saw this clip
Speaker 1: of Quinta Brunson being interviewed with the cast of Avid
Speaker 1: Elementary and I just sent it in the chat. But
Speaker 1: she had to wear heels and she for some of
Speaker 1: the episodes, and she was talking about how difficult it
Speaker 1: was and how Janelle James always has to wear heels,
Speaker 1: and she got so she was had this newfound respect
Speaker 1: for Janelle James for having to do that on set
Speaker 1: all day. She got really tired and she took them
Speaker 1: off and changed into Quinta took them off and like
Speaker 1: changed into you know, regular shoes because she her feet
Speaker 1: were so tired. And Janelle James just turned to her
Speaker 1: and went, she ain't no DVA. And I just love
Speaker 1: that whole cast. I just they're the best.
Speaker 2: They're a blast. Yeah great, let's see. You can find
Speaker 2: me on Twitter at jack Underscore O'Brien a tweet I've
Speaker 2: been enjoying at Jackie underscore, Sabage Sabba g h that
Speaker 2: can't be sabage. Saba Sabah asked the question is the
Speaker 2: music they play baseball games diegetic? Like can the players
Speaker 2: hear it in the world of the game, which would
Speaker 2: be a great question. I don't know the answer to.
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Speaker 2: today's episode, as well as a song that we think
Speaker 2: you might enjoy. Super producer Justin Connor, is there a
Speaker 2: song that you think people might enjoy on this line
Speaker 2: Thursday Morning. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love when a singer has the ability to flow
Speaker 3: like a rapper but can also stack gorgeous harmonies over
Speaker 3: their tracks. And this song goes even farther by having
Speaker 3: like these string arrangements and smooth guitars straight out of
Speaker 3: a classic Bond film. It all comes together in this
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