1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Vie Wilson, and I'm Holly Fry. This week on the show, 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: we talked about Kiddy Knocks. Uh. This is the last 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: episode that we are recording in the calendar year two, 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: even though it's not coming out until and I feel 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: like we even though we did not have the kind 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: of absolute marathon year in recording sessions that we often 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: have at the end of the year, I still feel 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: like I just struggled to say words. We are both 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: punchy today. I think that's a fair statement. So when 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: I started researching this topic, I was like, Okay, I 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: think we're gonna need to talk like some context about 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: why why there was this bicycle craze at the end 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: of the nineteenth century. And as I was taking all 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: of my notes about bicycles and how they did eloped, 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I swear we have done this exact 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: episode before, and the only things that I could think 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: of her we really talked a lot about cycling were 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Annie Londonderry and Frank Lentz, and I looked at both 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: of those outlines and while they did have like well 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: snippets of things that it was not like a full 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: on overview of the history of bicycles. And so then 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: I just questioned, like, what how did I get in 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: my head that all these particular points that it doesn't 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: seem like we talked about where things we talked about, 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: because that's what happens when you do a thousand episodes. 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: You just can't. I don't remember episodes I have done. 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Yep I I just did a big some some housekeeping 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: of our our old outline that I keep file of 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: all of them because sometimes they come in handy later. 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: And there were a couple of things that I was like, 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember this thing that I researched 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and wrote myself all the time. It's just too it's 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: too much. My brain is tiny. Yeah, I did have 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: to laugh because I can't help but invoked Deadwood yet 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: again in a behind the scenes because there's an episode 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: did you watch Edwood? Oh so good? But there's an 39 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: episode where Seth Bullock, so Timothy Elephants character his son, 40 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: it's really his brother's son, but he has taken him 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: as his son has an unfortunate ride on a bone shaker, 42 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: and there's it's like this fun, exciting thing that happens 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: and then it's very bad suddenly. Um. But that's what 44 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: I thought of when we talked about the early bicycles. Yeah, 45 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: they were apparently very not fun to ride on and 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: at all, but we didn't talk about the addition of 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: like some kind of springs or other suspensions to bicycles, 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: another thing that made them smoother, but that also helped 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot. For some reason, I had never quite grasped 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: why Penny Farthings were designed the way that they were, 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, that totally makes sense. Um. 52 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: And when I was talking to Patrick about what I 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: was researching, he was like, are you going to talk 54 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: about why those bikes had that really big, weird front 55 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: wheel on them because they looked so silly, And I 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: was like, in fact, we are, and I'm glad I'm 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: not the only person who had never really thought through 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: why they would have been built that way. I feel 59 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: like my dad, who is very mechanically minded, gave me 60 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: a long discussion about it once when I was a 61 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: kid because I had said something offhanded about maybe said 62 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the bicycle so weird. He was like, well, the real 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: differential and then yeah, yeah, but did again. I can't 64 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: remember an episode that I wrote in the last year 65 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: or so, most of that fell out. Yeah, uh, this 66 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: was an episode that I actually So occasionally we will 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: be asked to come up with some ideas for an 68 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: episode that we might do that would then be sponsored, 69 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and like the episode is in our control, the topic 70 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: we choose like in our control, but like it's would 71 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: then be sponsored once it's actually live. Um. And so 72 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: the themes that we were working around was basically about, uh, 73 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: the outdoors and having the outdoors be more accessible to everyone. 74 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: And that was where I first found the name Kitty Knocks, 75 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: as I was trying to come up with topics that 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: had something to do with that, and then that ideal 77 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: never happened, and so I've just had I've just sort 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: of had her name kind of on a back burner 79 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: for a really long time, UM, wondering if I would 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: be able to have enough information to do it, because 81 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: she did diet at an early early age, and we 82 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: do know so little specifically about her beyond what was 83 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: reported on her her cycling and her great outfits that 84 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: she made herself, UM, which are very fetching in my opinion. Um, 85 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: so I'm glad that even though that that sponsorship did 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: not happen, that we did do the brainstorming for it. 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: There are I mean, it's no secord that I love 88 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: clothing from this era. And I don't know if I've 89 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: ever told you that cycling outfits are like my favorite. Yeah, 90 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: I love them heaps. Um. They're so cute and they 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: just look so adorable, and I love the functionality of 92 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: them that still retains the style of the era. Um, 93 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: They're so great. This made me wish that I lived 94 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: in a more um bicycle friendly neighborhood. Yeah. My, the 95 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: city where I live has made some steps recently to 96 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: have some more bicycle infrastructure. Getting to it from my 97 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: house though, is just like first go down a notoriously 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: dangerous road where a lot of people have gotten killed. Um, 99 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no thanks. Plus Also, Patrick was was 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: He's fine, everything's fine. But but when Patrick was a child, 101 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: he was hit while he was carefully crossing the street 102 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: walking his bike across it. And so like riding bikes 103 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: on public streets is just a hard not for him, Yeah, 104 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: And like causing my spouse terror so hard no for me? Um, 105 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: We've got some like pretty great, longer distance dedicated bike 106 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: paths that are in the works. Um. Some of them 107 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: are like and then I could bike to the ocean. 108 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: That would be great. Um. So as things develop and 109 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: like there's some more dedicated a protective, protected way to 110 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: get from one or to the other, I'm sure at 111 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: some point it will be like time for a bike, 112 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: got a ride on the bike path? Yeah. The hard 113 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: part for my lazy but donc is that I want 114 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: to be able to take my bike. I don't own 115 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: a bike to take my theoretical bike out of the 116 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: garage and get on it and bicycle away. I don't 117 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: want to put the bike on a bike rack on 118 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: a car, drive someplace out else, take it off the thing, 119 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: even though I know lots of people in Atlanta and 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the surrounding area do that all the time and it's 121 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: probably not that big a hardship, but my brain is like, Nope, 122 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: tell me when there's a path that starts right outside 123 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: my door. I'm very fond of not getting in the 124 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: car to do a lot of stuff. Um, And so 125 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I like, if I were going to go on a 126 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: very long bike ride, I can sort of imagine a 127 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: scenario where there might be a like load the bike 128 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: onto a car, but it would be my vast preference 129 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: to not have a car be involved in the whole thing, 130 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: which is also why I am in favor of our 131 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: public transit that has been having some struggles lately. Hopefully 132 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: we'll get better. Yeah, uh yeah, I'm still a car person. 133 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: I love my car. I like road trips, which is 134 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: part of that. Well, and if I do have, like 135 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: like when I go to visit my parents, there's gonna 136 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: be a car to get from the airport to their house, 137 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: Like that's the option, um, and I do not mind 138 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: like the highway drive and then the back country road 139 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: drive to get to their house. Um. There are a 140 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: whole lot of streets in the Boston metro area that 141 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: are just a nightmare to drive on, though, and they 142 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: make me very anxious, and I need to do it 143 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: for some reason, um, which overwhelmingly is like I can't 144 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: walk there, and if I were to try to get 145 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: there on transit, it would be uh an hour and 146 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: a half for something that would take twenty minutes in 147 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: the car, and also uh like not really safer reasonable 148 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: ways to get there by the theoretical bike that I 149 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: don't have, especially now that it gets dark at four pm, 150 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: which is what happens in Massachusetts in the winter. Do 151 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: so anyway, bikes? Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that 152 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: Kitty Knocks has gotten some more local recognition. Um does. 153 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it rivals the national reach that her 154 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: name had in the end of the nineteenth century when 155 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: she was just sort of a regular figure in a 156 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: lot of bike publications, but um, she's the name that's 157 00:09:47,960 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: come up more locally more recently. Uh We the Human 158 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Hovel expedition this week, which tickled my fancy because it 159 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: I came across it as someone mentioning it in a 160 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: group of explorers who were um ill tempered. And it's 161 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: interesting to see how both of these men have been 162 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: characterized over the years. Like for a long time, if 163 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: you read earlier accounts, they tend to favor um Hovel, 164 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: I think because he was older and like a more 165 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: established dude. And then over the years the tides have 166 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: kind of turned, and now Hume is really the one 167 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: that most people recognize as being the leader of the 168 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: whole thing and and really the person whose knowledge their 169 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: success hinged on. Although I also think most of them 170 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: acknowledged that he definitely had an ego and like their 171 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: two personalities were not great together obviously. Yeah, it's sort 172 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: of Um. I kept thinking about our episodes on Shackleton, uh, 173 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: and how this didn't necessarily work out all the time, 174 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: but sometimes he was making decisions based on can these 175 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: men get along? Yeah? Um, and if like if you 176 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: thought somebody was going to cause a big problem, whether 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: the problem was going to be, like if I leave 178 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: this person here on the unattended they're going to cause 179 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: a problem, versus like, is this group together going to 180 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: be a problem, like trying to make sure. Yeah, the 181 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: group dynamics of something like that are important. Right, you 182 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: are alone with these seven other people in this case 183 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: where you have to depend on each other and you 184 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: have to trust each other, even if you are mad 185 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: as hornets at one another. That's a lot to go through. 186 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a miracle they all made 187 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: it back. Um. We didn't talk about it in the episode, 188 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: but all of the men that that went with them, 189 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: with the exception of one, I think I'm going from memory, 190 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: so um lived quite a long time after that. I 191 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: think one of them died a little bit earlier than 192 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: the others, but like I know, UM, I think it 193 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: was Henry Angel. His conviction was taken off the books essentially, 194 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: like he was released from his sentence UM, and he 195 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: actually did additional additional expeditions with Hume. And like the others, 196 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: had various you know, like one open to hotel, you know, 197 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: one got married and had a bunch of kids and 198 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: lived on a farm. They lived to a pretty good 199 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: old age, which I'm always startled when that happens after 200 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: someone has been through something like this, which UM, I 201 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: would pursue could have potentially long lasting impact on your health. Um. 202 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, if you are malnourished for four weeks, like 203 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: that's a long time. And these guys were out there 204 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: for four months, traveling, not always getting great meals, So 205 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: that always seems like kind of a miracle. Yeah. UM. 206 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: There are a few interesting notes. I didn't go into 207 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: all of them, one because some of the languages just 208 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: black and I didn't want to constantly have to be 209 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: rewriting it. UM. About their interactions with Aboriginal and Indigenous people, 210 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: there were a few that were really interesting. One was 211 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: that um, none of the indigenous people would drink the 212 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: water from Lake George, but their team did, and other 213 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: colonists had and never had any issue with it, and 214 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: they could never figure out what was going on there. 215 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Why uh, the indigenous population was like new Um. They 216 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: never figured it out. There is a very fun story though, 217 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: where Hovell noted he wrote a lot. His journals are prolific. 218 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Even on their very worst days, when he seems like 219 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: he has had the worst day of his life, he 220 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: writes just pages and pages and pages, and a lot 221 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: of it is about how great he is, but he 222 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: owed it. In many cases like that, I think the 223 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: natives have seen us. I can see smoke from their villages, 224 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: but we didn't see them. But I'm sure they saw us. 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: And then there are instances where that was confirmed by 226 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: later expeditions who Um ended up talking to Aboriginal communities 227 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: and some of them had very clearly seen human Hamilton's 228 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: and would act out like they're um caricatures of those men, 229 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: and they were apparently uncannily accurate, so they had watched 230 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: them for a while. I never saw anything that indicated 231 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: that they acted out any of the fights, but I wish, 232 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I wish that could have been the case. But most 233 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: of them apparently really loved to mimic Hume because he 234 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: carried his his gun as he went and he had 235 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: like a very um, a very confident and kind of 236 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: blustery walk about him. Uh, And so a lot of 237 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: them like to do that, and they thought it was hilarious, 238 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: which I think it's very funny. Um. There were a 239 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: couple of other stories I didn't include. There's one on 240 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: the way back, you know, they were hustling and at 241 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: one point, Hume's horse, which was a mayor, got bit 242 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: on the nose by a snake. It was very, very sick, 243 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: but they all recognized that she was like one of 244 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: their most valuable animals. She could handle rough terrain, she 245 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: kept her cool, she didn't startle easily, and so they 246 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: basically gave up almost all of their remaining meds that 247 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: they had to treat her, and the men took turns 248 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: walking her all night because if she settled down and 249 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: went to sleep, they were scared she would die. But 250 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: she survived and made it back with all of them. 251 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: But that just seems like a harrowing, you know, veterinary 252 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: emergency to be out here nowhere and not know what 253 00:15:47,800 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: to do. A very interesting thing that happened that ever, 254 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: was explained. This is almost Halloween grade. As they were 255 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: leaving what they thought was Western Port but was not. 256 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: But as they were leaving to start their return trip, 257 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: all of them except for Hume, heard what sounded like 258 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: a cannon shot. Hume didn't hear it because he was 259 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: starting to have hearing issues. He eventually really lost a 260 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: lot of his hearing. But they told him and he 261 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: believed them because seven other guys are like, no, we 262 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: all heard it. They never found out where it was from. 263 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Hugh wanted to go investigate, and the rest of them 264 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: were like, we're just can we just go home please? 265 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: And also, someone has a cannon we don't want to 266 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: see them. So they never figured out where that cannon 267 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: shot came from, if that was indeed from some other 268 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: colony they didn't know about that had come around the 269 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: Southern Shore, or what they never found here is what 270 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: blows my mind. I think we've talked about this before 271 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: when we talk about expeditions like this, but this one 272 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: really struck me. You and I have both done half marathon's. Yeah. 273 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: I did the Goofy once, which is a half marathon 274 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: on one day in a marathon the next day, and 275 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: I barely managed it. These dudes were doing like a 276 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: marathon a day and some pieces, particularly on the way back, 277 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: when they're already malnourished. They don't have real shoes, they 278 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: don't have real clothes, Like, I don't know how you 279 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: do what. They had to look like they were made 280 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: of rope by the time they got home. Yeah. I 281 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: only did the one half marathon. Uh. And I injured 282 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: one of my feet. It was not clear that I 283 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: had injured myself until like the next day. Really, like 284 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: I finished the half marathon with no problem. We talked 285 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: in a in a behind the scenes recently about like 286 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: me following a bunch of through hikers on TikTok who 287 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: were doing like the the Applelachian Trail or the Pacific 288 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Criss Trail or whatever. And I was astonished and how 289 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: many of them were doing like twenty mile days every day, um, 290 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: which is almost almost a marathon every day. Um. And 291 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just baffling to me the 292 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: being able to keep up uh that number of miles. Yeah, 293 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I have similarly, No, I mean I have to laugh. 294 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: I will invoke my my BFF Dawn, who after after 295 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: I did the marathon. She had texted me a couple 296 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: of days later, like the next week, and she was like, 297 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: I just drove twenty miles and I was thinking about 298 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: how long it was, and then I thought, marathons are 299 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: twenty six How do people do that? Yeah, I don't know. 300 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how I ever managed it, but I couldn't. 301 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it again. I couldn't 302 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: do it right now for sure. I UM, I think 303 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the half marathon experience. UM I did not 304 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: enjoy training for it. It's a lot um and I 305 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't train nearly as much as you were training because 306 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: you were also you had done a lot of other 307 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: half marathons besides that one, but like that was the 308 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: one where you were doing the full marathon the next day, 309 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: so it was like you had trained a lot more 310 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: than I had. But it still was a lot. Like 311 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: the training process was so much. And a thing that 312 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: I discovered all I guess more reinforced about myself was that, UM, 313 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I do not enjoy running. I do enjoy being able 314 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: to run a five k without stopping, but getting to 315 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: the point of being able to do that I hate 316 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: and I if I stopped for any amount of time, 317 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: It's gone and I'm back to square one of like 318 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: working up to being able to run that far. So yeah, 319 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: you lose it fast. I mean, I will say I 320 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: did like intervals. I never once we got to those 321 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: longer distances. I mean, I think the longest I've run 322 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: where I ran the whole race was a ten k, 323 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: and it was pretty I was. It was a shuffle 324 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: in some spots, but like for me, the intervals actually 325 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: really help where you run for a while, walk for 326 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: a while, especially during the marathon, because you are switching 327 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: gears muscularly right, so like some muscles are getting a 328 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: break for a minute. And it got to the point 329 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: in those last couple of miles where like when I 330 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: would change from one to the other, it felt amazing, 331 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: even if I was changing from walking to running, just 332 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: because it was different muscles activating for a minute. But 333 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: then that would wear off quickly. I ran a five 334 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: k the day before the half marathon without stopping, like 335 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: I ran the whole thing, but also the the half 336 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: marathon itself was intervals, with progressively shorter intervals farther we went. Listen, 337 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: we made it, but I could not do. I could 338 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: not do an expedition like this where I have to 339 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: make my own shoes out of the cattle I just 340 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: killed so that I can eat and survive and then 341 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: take their hot like I there's no way, there's no 342 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: way I am gonna just I'm not asking for anyone 343 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: to explain how this works. I don't have a lot 344 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: of knowledge about how to like take an animal skin 345 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: from it is containing the living body of an animal too, 346 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: it's shoes, But in my head, there is like a 347 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: curing step or a tanning step of some sort in 348 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: between there that takes time. And so what I'm imagining 349 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: they did was that they just put some fresh animal 350 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: hide on their feet, and that sounds so gross to me. Um, 351 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: this short answer is that there's a lot of scraping 352 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: involved to get just to the right, and then I 353 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: think you can't do a quick salt cure in desperate times. 354 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: But in any case, I would not want to walk 355 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: any amount of distance in shoes that I just made 356 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: out of an animal hide, Like I wouldn't want to 357 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: walk to the mailbox, not be because like of any grossness, 358 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: but just because like there's no support. Like again, obviously 359 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: we live a very cushy life. We have all kinds 360 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: of technology that makes all kinds of shoes. Yes, barefoot runners. 361 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: I know you're out there, but for me, that's a nopelope. 362 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: That's not anymore more support and cushioning than that. So 363 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: in summation, don't go on a big expedition without people 364 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: that you really know, you adore and get along with 365 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: and have a good temperament to complement each other and 366 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: not get in a screaming match where you threaten to 367 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: cut the tent in half. And also, um, just uh, 368 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: we're not cut out for this. I mean, by the 369 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: time we do a very cushy, like seven day trip somewhere, 370 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: I am ready to go home just because I'm tired 371 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: and I I want to lie down for a while 372 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: and not do anything. No, no such option when you 373 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: are trying to get home with like racing your rations essentially. Uh. 374 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: If this is your weekend coming up, I hope you 375 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, undergo horrible, horrible misery just 376 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: to get your meals and transportation handled. Um. I hope 377 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: you have lots of rest and relaxation on the books. 378 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: If it's not your weekend, I still hope you find 379 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: some rest and relaxation and that um, maybe something delightful happens. 380 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: Just always hope that for everyone. Every day. We will 381 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode, and 382 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: then on Monday we'll have a brand new one Wednesday too. 383 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of 384 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, 385 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 386 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.