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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life, with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daisy and I'm jen and this is Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we're back. We are that, and today we are

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Speaker 2: talking about a new phenomenon and it is called the

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Speaker 2: rush coach. I paid for both my kids for college advisors. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that was expensive. I'm picturing my daughter coming to

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Speaker 2: me and saying, Mommy, I need a Rush coach. I

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Speaker 2: think my response would be the Patty here Rachel nuts.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to buy the clothes you have, you

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Speaker 2: gotta get the tips, you gotta get the hair whatever,

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Speaker 2: and now I should buy a separate human who's going

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Speaker 2: to coach you through the process.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what do they coach you on? Like, but

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Speaker 3: to talk about like what to wear, who to be,

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Speaker 3: how to do your hair?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's almost like making you like somebody

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Speaker 3: that you're not. But I could be wrong. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll have to talk to them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, at least maybe it's just bringing out

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Speaker 2: the best version of yourself.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Laurie, Hi, how are you we're.

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Speaker 1: Very well and I'm I'm Daisy. Yeah, it's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to meet you. And you are a rush coach. I'm

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Speaker 1: a rush You want to know all about that rush us.

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Speaker 4: That's perfectly okay. I am the first person to coin

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Speaker 4: and use that term. So I'm very very proud of

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Speaker 4: my work that I have done over the last thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: Are you the first person to do this?

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Speaker 4: I'm not the first person to do this, but I

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Speaker 4: am the first person to bring this to light and

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Speaker 4: not make it very like hush hush, we don't talk

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Speaker 4: about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I love that because honestly, i'm kind of

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm confused on what like it exactly? Is

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Speaker 3: like do you essentially do to help these girls, like

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Speaker 3: get in a sorority or go through recruitment? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well how about first tell us where did

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Speaker 2: you go to school? And I'm assuming you were in

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Speaker 2: a sorority.

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Speaker 4: I was a big sorority girl. I am a KA

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Speaker 4: from the University of Texas and Olpaso, and I have

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Speaker 4: always been involved in my sorority, whether it was well,

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Speaker 4: we don't call it this anymore, but pledge educator. I

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Speaker 4: was also chapter president. I had also been involved in

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Speaker 4: the alumni association in Chicago here in New York City,

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Speaker 4: and I was also the recruitment advisor for one of

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Speaker 4: the chapters in Chicago as well.

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Speaker 3: So very involved. Yes, extremely Okay, we are talking to

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Speaker 3: the perfect person about that went to cential sorority girl.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, tell us, just give us an overview, tell

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Speaker 2: us what you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, as a sororitysultant, I am here to just really

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Speaker 4: help a lot of young women experience a positive, you know,

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Speaker 4: coming of age kind of moment for a lot of

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Speaker 4: these women. They're stepping out from being like this high

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Speaker 4: school girl and stepping into their first taste of you know,

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Speaker 4: becoming a woman and going to college and figuring life

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Speaker 4: out on their own. And I'm here to provide a

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Speaker 4: positive experience for them. But along the way, I'm teaching

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Speaker 4: them some lessons. So a lot of things. My background

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Speaker 4: is in human resources. I've worked for major companies such

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Speaker 4: as this, Discovery Channel, Autism Speaks, the Adler Planetarium in Chicago,

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Speaker 4: and really helping with blending my expertise in human resources

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Speaker 4: and sorority life and just have blended those two together

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Speaker 4: to help them prepare for the chaos that is sorority rush.

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Speaker 2: What made you think that this was something that you

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Speaker 2: wanted to do? Was there an aha moment where you

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Speaker 2: How did you get here? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, when I was one of the recruitment advisors at

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Speaker 4: super involved and just noticed that the playing field wasn't

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Speaker 4: and I noticed that the sororities had a little bit

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Speaker 4: in the nineties, it was completely different. I mean the

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Speaker 4: game is, especially with social media involved. It has changed

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Speaker 4: the narrative completely. And a lot of my girlfriends from

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Speaker 4: know you're still involved, can you help me my niece,

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Speaker 4: my stepdaughter, someone is going through recruitment and I need

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Speaker 4: for hours explaining how everything works now, how things are different,

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Speaker 4: at the time was not in a fraternity or anything.

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Speaker 4: And he just did not understand any of this, and

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Speaker 4: he said, what are you doing? Like what is this?

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Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't understand it. And I

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Speaker 4: would explain it to him and he was like, you

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Speaker 4: should start a business. You're giving away free advice. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, huh, I actually never thought about that.

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Speaker 4: And I did a quick Google search and I saw

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Speaker 4: that there were two other people that had a website.

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Speaker 4: One was for this woman in Alabama and blessed her heart.

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Speaker 4: Her website was a little frumpy. It looked like a

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Speaker 4: little church bulletin. And the other woman, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I looked at her website and I was like, I

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Speaker 4: could do that, Like this looks really easy. And I

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Speaker 4: just put together a website and I had my first

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Speaker 4: client in twenty thirteen. She was a girl from the

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Speaker 4: and she actually just got married two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: So very nice. So I'm curious. We're actually curious about

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Speaker 2: so much of what you do. But how many clients

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Speaker 2: do you have?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you that.

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Speaker 4: Right now, at this very second, I'm helping thirty young

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Speaker 3: This your full time job?

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Speaker 2: It is? Now okay, yeah, yeah, I amen. Wow, Well

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Speaker 2: we're going to get invasive or we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to But what do you charge for your services?

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Speaker 4: So I charge usually anywhere between fifteen hundred and three thousand,

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Speaker 4: depending on the level of services that the girls need.

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Speaker 4: I also have colleagues I've hired on coaches to help

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Speaker 4: out at other universities because I can't be everywhere all

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Speaker 4: at once. And then they have their own fee structure

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Speaker 4: just because they're a little bit newer to the game.

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Speaker 4: They are priced at a little bit of a lower

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Speaker 4: And then you can also pay to have me on

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Speaker 4: call during recruitment, which is another added fee along with that.

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Speaker 3: So how long do you typically have these girls as

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Speaker 3: it just like from right before when they start recruitment

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Speaker 3: until the end or what's like the timeline you're with them.

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Speaker 4: So usually I will start working with the girls. Usually

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Speaker 4: the parents will contact me or sometimes the daughters will

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Speaker 4: contact me in their senior year of high school, and

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Speaker 4: I start working with them probably in about the springtime,

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Speaker 4: so March right before they graduate high school, and then

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Speaker 4: we work all the way up until pretty much right now,

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Speaker 4: because recruitment at a lot of these schools starts in

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Do you find ever that there are girls

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Speaker 2: a sorority girl necessarily, or this is going to be

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Speaker 2: an uphill battle for you, or do you have to

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Speaker 2: set expectations.

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Speaker 4: I believe that everyone could be a sobrority girl. I

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Speaker 4: don't feel that we are meant to be boxed into

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Speaker 4: one specific thing. I feel like, if you are the

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Speaker 4: and that's your jam, you can be in a sorority.

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Speaker 4: If you're an emo goth girl and you listen to

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Speaker 4: the Cure all the time, like you could be in

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Speaker 4: a sorority, you will find your place. But yes, I've

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Speaker 4: had to turn down clients not based on the fact

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Speaker 4: that I don't think that they'll fit into a sorority,

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Speaker 4: but because of just personality differences. Like I've seen girls

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Speaker 4: not taken that on. I've seen girls who try to

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Speaker 4: like I don't know, Like it's like this weird thing

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Speaker 4: some things, but then go behind my back and try

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Speaker 4: to do things their own way. And when I find

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Speaker 4: I do find out about it. And then that's when

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Speaker 4: I say, you know what, I think we have to

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Speaker 2: Can you can you give us an example of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like what do they like?

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Speaker 3: Is there like a specific example you have where someone

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Speaker 4: Like for when they try to go behind my back?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you know what the crazy thing is,

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Speaker 3: Mom's Honestly, I kind of feel like that makes sense

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And sometimes it's the mom and daughter that team

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Speaker 4: up and do this kind of thing, you know. But honestly,

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Speaker 4: like I had just recently a mom who reached out

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Speaker 4: all the time, Like do you have references of people

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Speaker 4: who have used your services before? I'd love to talk

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Speaker 4: to them. And I said sure, and I gave her

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Speaker 4: loved working with LORI. She was amazing. I got into

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Speaker 4: And then it turns out this girl was just really

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Speaker 4: messaging her a lot, to the point where my former

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Speaker 3: Honest, Yeah, definitely got it.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, See.

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Speaker 3: I am curious if I'm a girl finishing high school

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Speaker 3: and I call you or my mom calls you, and

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Speaker 3: I need your help getting into my top hout. I

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Speaker 3: was in alpha fe So say I wanted to get

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Speaker 3: in like alpha fie. What would you do to like

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Speaker 3: help me? Like, what are the steps? What do you

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Speaker 3: what do you do to help them?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I would say not to sell

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Speaker 4: yourself short by only looking at one sorority, because throughout

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Speaker 4: this entire process, your mind is going to be going

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Speaker 4: in so many different directions, and your mind is going

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Speaker 4: to change throughout the entire process, and quite honestly, you

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Speaker 4: haven't even met these girls yet. You don't know who

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Speaker 4: they are. So you could get to the Alpha Fie

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Speaker 4: I met these girls and they seem nice on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: but now I've met them in person and they're just

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I think setting those expectations very early on and

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Speaker 2: My question though, is, you know, I think it probably

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Speaker 4: So I always tell them this. I'm like, if you're

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Like I don't mind the

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that I didn't know what

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Speaker 2: What did you call it?

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Speaker 2: Insultant?

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Speaker 4: It's a consultant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like you're like really helping them

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Speaker 2: If that's something that she's interested in, I would never

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Speaker 2: I'm curious do you have to deal with that? Do

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, one thousand percent. And listen, I've worked with girls

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Speaker 4: do it for me, Miss Stefanelli, can you do with

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Speaker 2: And what about when one of your clients doesn't get

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to lie. I'm not a one hundred

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Speaker 4: We got a game plan. Let's look at the sororities

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Speaker 4: that you did enjoy. Okay, are you eligible for continuous

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love the part you said about like helping them

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Speaker 2: I I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You go, girl, I'm with you there one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Not for me?

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Speaker 2: Not for me. And I like a lot of what

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Speaker 2: all of that that Let's say there's the rejection and

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Speaker 2: not have been on my dime. Yeah, but lovely woman, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are very grateful to her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, right, yeah, And if they get in

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Speaker 3: this sorority, they want.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't, they want their money better.

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Speaker 3: I know. I'm like, sure, you imagine, here's three thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: like she gotten a noble. That's a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of money. I'm very open to the

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Speaker 2: fact that a lot of girls are very grateful for

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Speaker 2: her and that she makes the experience more seamless. Oh,

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Speaker 2: for for sure. I am constitutionally opposed to everything about that.

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Speaker 2: But listen, I'm a wrong a lot of the times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah,