1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Noel is not present, but we'll 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: be rejoining us shortly. They called me Ben. We are 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission Control Decond. 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show the day it comes out, 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: you are officially part of our listener mail segment. We 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: do this every week. You are the most important part 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: of the stuff they don't want you to know, and 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: we love to hear from you. Even more portantly, we 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: love to share your stories with our fellow conspiracy realist. 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: Every week. When you don't hear us podcasting, we're buried 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: in research and we're pouring through correspondencies from across the 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: world to us. Today, we're going to explore some messages 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: to our Instagram Conspiracy Stuff show. We're also going to 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: explore some of the emails, and yes, Samurai, I do 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: read every single email. I think Matt and I both 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: read every single email we get sent, so thank you 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: and I quite enjoy the way. Right. Uh, we are 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: going to uh, we're gonna hear from some great folks here, 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: Alexandra Travis, Jessica h. Sam in Japan, and we're going 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about some fascinating responses to 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: an earlier listener mail regarding blood donation and Oregon donation 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: and the rules surrounding that. We're also going to hear 29 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: from an anonymous source about a strange Amazon TikTok conspiracy. 30 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: It's true that there is a conspiracy, but we can't 31 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: wait to hear what you think about it, folks, before 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: we do all that. However, we're going to start today's 33 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: show with an email that I think Matt caught both 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: of our interests about a relatively recent religious movement, and uh, 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: we were talking off air peek behind the curtain here, folks. 36 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time scouring through some pretty 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: sketchy stuff to get a look at up and coming 38 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: cultic organizations. That's kind of what I call them, because 39 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: we want to know whether these things will become dangerous 40 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: and this is something that can affect again, anybody from 41 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: any imaginable demographic. It's always offensive to me, at least 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: when people say that only the credulous are taken in 43 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: by manipulative, charismatic leaders. Anybody can be taken in by 44 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a dangerous organization like this. So maybe we start there 45 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: knowing that we will probably have a full episode on 46 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: this and organizations like this in the near future. Absolutely, Ben, 47 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: let's let's begin here. We received an email from Alexandra. 48 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: It was on a Monday. I'm just gonna preface that there. 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: We received this on a Monday. She wrote, Hey guys, 50 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm a moderately long time listener. I love your show 51 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: and when I saw this story pop up on my Facebook, 52 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: I thought, who would be better to tell this story 53 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: than std w y t K. And here we are. 54 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm attaching a link to a recently discovered international cult 55 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: that started twenty minutes from where I grew up. It's 56 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: called The Body and if you haven't already heard of it, 57 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: it's a religious, faith based cult. I won't go into details, 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: most of them are in a link below, and uh 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: you may be able to find some other information on 60 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: it that I cannot find. The wow factor here is 61 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: that this is a freshly unearthed underground cult that started many, 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: many years ago with only a select few families from 63 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: the area. It does have very awfully triggering events, and 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: I hope you can do a show on it. I'd 65 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: love to hear it come from you guys. Much love, 66 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: forever and always. Alexandra. Oh, that's very very sweet, So 67 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: thank you for sending that first of all, but also 68 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: no thank you because I woke up on Tuesday read 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: this and I went down a rabbit hole and I 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: lost most of my Tuesday, Alexandra, So thanks so much. 71 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm totally joking. Thank you seriously, because there 72 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: was a rabbit hole that was well worth my time 73 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: and I think our time. So you mentioned it a cult, 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: a religious organization called The Body. The link you sent 75 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: us was The Body I N t L or International 76 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: dot com and if you follow that link, if you 77 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: go there, you can learn all about this group. There 78 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: are some humans running that site that have been doing 79 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: research on this cult, this uh the Body for quite 80 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: a while and they've posted a ton of information. They've 81 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: also included a video that is prominently posted there on 82 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the site titled The Land of the Body Colon and 83 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: Alaskan cult story. It is I believe by Syrian Warner 84 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: s y R A n W A R n e ER, 85 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: And this is a fairly extensive documentary that goes through 86 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: some investigations of the Body that have been occurring for 87 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: some time. I guess been the best thing to do 88 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: here is to start with what the website The Body 89 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: I N t L says about this group. So I'm 90 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: gonna read verbatim here from that site quote. The Body 91 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: is an active Christian fellowship that holds its services in 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: the homes of members belonging to the congregation. The group 93 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: started as an isolated collective made up of a few 94 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: families on the Kenai Peninsula of Alaska, but has since 95 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: become an international faith organization. Despite the Body being active 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: and moving around the globe in recent years, they've remained 97 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: an underground phenomenon for most of their history. So, okay, 98 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: it's an underground group starting the Kenai Peninsula of Alaska. 99 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: What makes this group interesting or noteworthy? Well, first of all, 100 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: you you heard me say that the group holds its 101 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: services in the homes of members, right, That's an important thing. 102 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Often groups like this start that way a group of 103 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: like minded people begin holding meetings in one of the 104 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: dwelling places of one of the members, and then it 105 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: expands out and uh, it grows in the case of 106 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: the Body, and at least according to that YouTube documentary 107 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: and I mentioned, they began very quickly, as these groups do, 108 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: taking in large donations from members, from very committed members, 109 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: and those donations were used to purchase a massive amount 110 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: of property on that Kenai peninsula. And this includes members 111 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: selling their homes where they live, often with their families, 112 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: which has included children, and donating the money to the church, 113 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: then being given property by the group, by the body 114 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: on that large swath of property, so a small space, right, 115 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a track of land out there where they could go 116 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: and build their own tent or whatever structure so that 117 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: they and their families again including often children, could live 118 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: and then just live in a congregation on that property. 119 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: So that's physically how this began, how it started, right. 120 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: The question is what makes this thing occult? Right? What 121 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: are the teachings that make this thing occult? Is there 122 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: a leader involved, is somebody who has maybe manipulating the 123 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: flock in some way or another, or at least you know, 124 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: using money in a way that you wouldn't want it 125 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: to be used. There is a leader that is mentioned 126 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: by name on that site. I think it's mentioned fully, 127 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe once or twice. Other times the name is referred to. 128 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: I'll say it as Mark B. Someone named Mark B. 129 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: I would say that. From information gleaned on the website 130 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: and in the YouTube documentary and a few other places, 131 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: you can, if you wish, find out who this person is. 132 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: You can find out a lot of information about this 133 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: person if you wish to go down the rabbit hole 134 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: at Deeply and about the various companies that have been 135 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: found at ll c s and other um what is 136 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: it five? I forget what it's called. It's a it's 137 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the not for profit entities that have been that's it 138 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: five O one C three things like sought out a 139 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: n PC. There are all kinds of uh names like 140 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: that that you can discover if you wish, such as 141 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: Sage Mountain Studio LLC. You can find all that stuff. 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: You can track it down. We may do that in 143 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: a further episode, but not right now. That's where kind 144 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: of the money. The money shifts around, right, The property 145 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: shifts around through these LLCs in front companies. Uh. When 146 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: it comes to the religion aspect, the teaching aspect, the 147 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: body as it was named, focuses on the physical body. 148 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: The teachings have a lot to do with a passage 149 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that you can find in the Bible where Jesus washes 150 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: the feet of of people. And it's not like he's 151 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: asking people to wash his feet. He is washing the 152 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: feet of others maybe those who are would be considered 153 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: by society to be lesser than him. And it is 154 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: a pretty powerful part of in my my opinion, powerful 155 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: part of the Bible of like help out those who 156 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: need help, right, no matter what your situation is, you 157 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: can always help someone who needs it. This group, the 158 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: body kind of morphs that changes it and makes that 159 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: message along with many other passages of the Bible, combines 160 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: them into this message about how you need know yourself physically, 161 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: your own body, and you also need to know the 162 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: bodies of others in your congregation, specifically the body of 163 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: your leader. And you can just imagine where that goes, right. Yeah, 164 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I want to take a second and shout out an 165 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: earlier YouTube video we did which holds up which will 166 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: give you some guiding points about how cults are started 167 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: or cultic organizations, as well as the pretty good, somewhat snarky, 168 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: but pretty good bullet point list of how to tell 169 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: what defines a cult, because, as we mentioned earlier on air, 170 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: you don't need religion to make a cult. It's just 171 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: a very easy entry point. Cults are really kind of 172 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: a collection of tactics, more so even than any solid 173 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: specific beliefs. But yeah, I wouldn't shout out Matt before 174 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: we continue. Just Alexandra's ex leak there to the Body International. Um, 175 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: that website is a treasure trove of information, and there 176 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: was a really interesting thing, I know you saw it 177 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: to where they start talking about how the names can 178 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: be so difficult because names are just like any other 179 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: thing you wear. Names are just a kind of clothing 180 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: you put on yourself for an organization. And um, because 181 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: this thing was called the body, it should be no 182 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: surprise that there are multiple cultic organizations are religious movements 183 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: calling themselves the body. The same reason, by the way, 184 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: that if you look through the span of ancient human history, 185 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: most ancient communities their word for themselves is the people, 186 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: or like the real people or the actual people, So 187 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: the body can be a tricky thing research wise to 188 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, to find the exact body that they've done 189 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: a good job and you've done a bang up job 190 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: as well. Here. Oh yeah, there's so much information, especially 191 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to where the body itself has moved 192 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: after it morphed and became that thing called sought out 193 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: for a while, then that dissolved, but then the body 194 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: continued on and then it became another name that I 195 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: honestly can't recall it in this moment. I don't want 196 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: to search for my notes for it, but you can 197 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: look at a place called tawn Uskett t O n 198 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: A s k E T. Washington. Uh, you can search 199 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: around for that. There's quite a bit of information on 200 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: their activities there and specifically that Sage Mountain Studio LLC. 201 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: I want to just continue on down that path of 202 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: the religious teachings. In the documentary I mentioned the land 203 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: of the Body. There's a section in here that I 204 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: just want to read kind of verbat him and I 205 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: don't mean to take away from the documentary and the 206 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: producers of that documentary watch it if you can please, 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: But I just want to talk about the weirdness the ritual, 208 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: the thing kind of at the heart of the teachings. 209 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: So there were, as I said, tents as structures on 210 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: this land that was purchased. There are many of them, 211 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: other structures that were created. And in one of those 212 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: structures it was kind of like the holy place for 213 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: the leader and a few other high level members. We 214 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: mentioned the feet washing thing, changing that to the full 215 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: body I'm gonna give you. I'm just gonna read my notes. 216 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: As I was watching this, there is a person describing 217 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: a very common thing amongst cults where he says, if 218 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: there's once you get in, if there's any contention inside, 219 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: like if you create some kind of tension within the group, 220 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: you'll get cut off from the place. And you know 221 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: that often your family as is involved there and they're 222 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: probably gonna stay, but you'd get kicked out. So there's 223 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: this heavy pressure to always stay in line, always do 224 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: what you're told, uh, to do anything that, especially the 225 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: leader Mark would ask you to do. He says, I 226 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: would never have done the things. I never, never would 227 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: have done what I was asked to do if I 228 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: weren't afraid of being cut off. Um, So this guy 229 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: Mark comes out and he daddy, Oh yeah, Daddy, this 230 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: guy Mark comes out to this individual, and he says, okay, 231 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: it's your turn. He says, I have no idea what 232 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: they were doing. We're on this church camp out, we're 233 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: on the property there that we've discussed. I walk into 234 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the yurt these two people and these two men and 235 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: two women are dancing around like that. They're in a trance. 236 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: They're speaking in tongues. Um. They disrobe me, and now 237 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: my father in law. He's saying, this is my father 238 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: in law, my boss, and the elder in the church 239 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: took my clothes off of me. And the person doing 240 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: the interview says, well, why did why did you let 241 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: them do that? Like, why would you let them do that? 242 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: And his response is my job, my family. I'd be 243 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: cut off if I didn't do what they age only 244 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: to do. Then he just arrives mark, taking his bare hands, 245 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: washing his whole body, even fondling me every bit of 246 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: me for a while. He was speaking in tongues while 247 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: he was doing it. And when he was done, he said, 248 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: now touch my body, touch every part of my body. 249 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: And this is a As the documentary continues, this was 250 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a ritual essentially that would occur with many members of 251 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: the institution. Men women, and then it's described that children, 252 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: at least people who were around sixteen years old were 253 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: subject to it as well. That's why it seems to 254 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: be very dangerous at least to my ears, to my mind, 255 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: and something that needs to be looked at. There's also 256 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of reporting out there 257 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: hasn't reached a wider audience yet, but there there's some 258 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: great work regarding show got like this is ongoing, this 259 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: is live fire right now, and you and I talked 260 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: about this off air before recording this listener male segment. 261 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: We want to be careful regarding legality, but there are 262 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: some chilling things that have already come out. I want 263 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: to shout out the journalist Dominic Bonnie who over on 264 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: their sub stack talks about the idea of children being 265 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: regarded as property, and then it ties into multiple instances that, 266 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: as far as I could tell, um once I have 267 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: found the right cult called the Body. As far as 268 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: I can tell, there are multiple instances of mothers being 269 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: manipulated to abandon their children in the hands of people 270 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: who seem to be established predators. At least again from 271 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the reports, from the reports and from recordings that were 272 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: made allegedly on the property, and you know, involving high 273 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: the high leadership of this group. There's a section on 274 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: the body i ntl dot com where you can listen 275 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: to recordings. I think there are probably clandestine recordings of 276 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: members of this group, especially the high level leadership. You 277 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: can search for it with quote here the voice of 278 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: occult leader tapes from the body unquote. All right, well, 279 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: with that, thank you again for writing to us, Alexandra, 280 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: and we will definitely look more into this. For now, 281 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: let's take a break here a wordsmore our sponsor, and 282 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll come back with more messages from you. And we 283 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: have returned. We have some more strange things ahead, but 284 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: I think for now, let's let's go to something a 285 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit less evil. Um, while we're waiting to explore 286 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: explore the body further. Out of context, that quote is 287 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: going to sound terrible, but let's go to Jessica. H Jessica, 288 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: you wrote to us over on the conspiracy stuff Instagram. 289 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: You said the following, and this is something I was 290 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: aware of. I don't know whether my colleagues, I don't 291 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: know how much you guys have heard of this, but 292 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: I don't think it will surprise you so, Matt Paul 293 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: Jessica says, Hi, I've always listened to your show, but 294 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: I've never reached out before. I know you all talked 295 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: about cartel's earlier this week, but one of my seventh 296 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: grade Mexican American students came into class talking about a 297 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: cartel monkey, a literal monkey dressed in a diaper and 298 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: bulletproof vest, who was killed in a clash between different 299 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: cartels in Mexico earlier this week. From what's searching I did, 300 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: it seems this is not the first exotic animal taken 301 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: in by the cartels. I'd love to hear more from 302 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: you guys about what connection thexotic animals and the cartels have. 303 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: So this is a bit of a rabbit hole, or 304 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: a bit of a hippo hole, if you want. One 305 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: of the first times that I personally found out about 306 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: the fascination that a lot of narco lords and cartel 307 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: groups have with exotic animals was due to Pablo Escobar, 308 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, the guy who became very close to being 309 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: a parallel government of Colombia and then probably would have 310 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, had a good chance of becoming the President 311 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: of Columbia had he not gotten popped. Pablo Escobar is 312 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: the reason that Columbia today has a population of wild hippos. Hippos, 313 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: by the way, are by far the most dangerous non 314 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: human land animal. They're big. They kill more people than tigers, 315 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: more people than bears, more people than lions, you know 316 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, more people than badgers. In case you 317 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: were worried about that one, and cassawary, if you're worried 318 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: about large birds, hippos are crazy dangerous. Don't be fooled 319 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: because they sit in the water like that with their 320 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: most snouts out and you can't really tell what it 321 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: is until it emerges in this giant beast. Also, don't 322 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: let the ungainly size fool you. Those cats can book it. 323 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: And uh, I don't care how in shape you are, 324 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: you cannot one on one p VP of hippo. It's 325 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: just not going to happen. Give it up, um. And 326 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: you can see plenty of YouTube videos confirming this. But 327 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: so that's the entry point that I had on this. 328 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: And then on another show we do called Ridiculous History, 329 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: we looked at how Escobars hippo heard continued after his 330 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: fall and his death. Um. It's been a known thing 331 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: for years among Mexican law enforcement that drug cartels in 332 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: that country and in other parts of Latin America have 333 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: exotic animals large feelines again, lions and tigers like there 334 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: are people from the Sonola cartel who have started Instagram 335 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: and Twitter accounts like back in that show that um 336 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: jaguars and so on. They're being kept sometimes as well 337 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: as status symbols like as flexes. Right. Uh. They can 338 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: also be used to smuggle drugs. You can get snakes 339 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: across the border and stuff them with cocaine. Very bad 340 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: for the snake, pretty good for business as long as 341 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: you don't get caught. We've also talked about cartel's finding 342 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: alternative income streams, right because you know, again, you hear 343 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: the phrase cartel associated with drugs pretty often in the West. 344 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: But a cartel does not necessarily need to be selling 345 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: something illegal. Cartel's engage in monopolization and price fixing of 346 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: any precious resource, right, and they want to ensure that 347 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: they have the highest profits possible. So OPEC is a cartel, 348 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: It's just a cartel for oil, which is legal, right, 349 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: and countries that are members of OPEC, some of them 350 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: have also started planning for the decline of the fossil 351 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: fuel industry, and that's something that will eventually come if 352 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: civilization continues. Cartels are the same way, like, if you 353 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: legalize certain drugs, you are cutting cartels off your kneecapping them, 354 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: you're figuratively crippling them. So what else can they do 355 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: to bring in money? Hey, say the cartels, We're not 356 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: just about cocaine. You want to us endangered South American bird? 357 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: We can get you. That got a macaw nine grand 358 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: bro it's yours, take it off a lot. Oh no, 359 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: you're into pythons for you. How about the spider monkey 360 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: comes with its own body armor. Yes, yes, now that 361 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: is what Jessica is talking about. Jessica, we're talking about 362 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: this because we wanted to establish that this is not 363 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: a one off thing. Um, there are There are several 364 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: categories of cartel interaction with exotic animals. One flexes to 365 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: smuggling vehicles. Three A a new income stream just like avocados. Right, 366 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: it's a new way to make money. And the endangered 367 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: animals part, the exotic animals as they would be called, 368 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: that is an old trade. But like you said, Matt, 369 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: this spider monkey, this poor guy is a little bit different, Jessica. 370 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: You sent us uh some great links. One that I 371 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: think stood out to both Map myself was Luis Chapatos 372 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: vice article. Here's the headline. A narco monkey was killed 373 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: during a shootout and now has his own narco corrido, 374 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: which is a ballad. Right. There's a genre of music 375 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: which is all about the exploits of lost nacos, and 376 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: it's like it kind of glorifies them sometimes, and it 377 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, tells the stories in a tragic way. 378 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: But these are the stories of the great gangsters, the 379 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: great criminals, the cartels and the drug dealers. And I'm 380 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: going to tell you a lot of the songs are 381 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: actually really catchy. I listened to this song about this 382 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: poor monkey. Um, but maybe we describe it. This is 383 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: pretty recent, this is earlier. Just last month, in June, 384 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: there were photos that obligated on social media showing a 385 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: dead spider monkey alongside ten other people who were killed 386 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: in a shootout. The monkey was wearing, uh, like you said, 387 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: I was wearing a tactical vest and a diaper and 388 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: a little camouflage hoodie. I don't know why the little 389 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: camo hoodie makes me feel bad because you know, even 390 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: with very very bad people, most folks, the majority of 391 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: human beings have a soft spot, you know what I mean, 392 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Like somebody you think is an absolute pos they might have, um, 393 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: they might have a guinea pig. A guinea pig which 394 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: is just like the most wire you here animal on 395 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: the planet. You know, It's it's like, uh, it has 396 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: no defensive, no offensive capabilities. It's a furry little potato. 397 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: And the worst person you know might have poured all 398 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: their capability for empathy and affection into a little rupert 399 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: their guinea pig. And I'm wondering if this is the 400 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: story like that, because as reported this Vice article, Matt, 401 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: the monkey was found hugging the chest of a human 402 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: corpse and then in another photo it's lying beside that 403 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: same corpse. Yeah, that sad. Guinea pigs, by the way, 404 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: are apparently delicious in u are eaten. We we've talked 405 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: about that before. Yeah, I think guinea pigs before. Yeah, 406 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: not not number one and like my imagined menu, but 407 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do. So was the monkey. 408 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: This is the question, was this poor unfortunate monkey chaguito, 409 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: which just means little monkey was was this monkey actually 410 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: evolved in exchanging live fire? Uh? I don't think so. 411 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: I think it was kind of like a mascot, you 412 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: know how like throughout World War One and World War Two, 413 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: various groups of soldiers would have their their mascots. Some 414 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: were functional like dogs that could sniff bombs or find survivors, 415 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: and others were just like, we really dig this cat. 416 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: We found this cat normity and this is like our cat. 417 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: Now let's promote them. These animals get promoted a lot too. 418 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: We should mention Lue lieutenant monkey. That's adorable. Um, it's 419 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: a dangerous line of work, even if you're a cat. Yeah. 420 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: And it's also it's a sad it's a sad story 421 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: to read. You can see the reports. We'll we'll move on. 422 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: But to answer the question Jessica, Yes, there are extensive 423 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: ties between cartels and what you would call exotic or 424 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: endangered animals. And they're sometimes functional, they're sometimes brutally and 425 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: cruelly used for um financial gain, and sometimes they're just flexes. 426 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: But then other times, like what seems to have happened here, 427 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: they're beloved pets, which is um kind of a bummer. 428 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: But I propose at this point, Matt, maybe we uh, 429 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: maybe we pause, give everybody a second to check in 430 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: on their own pets, their Kitto's, their dogoes, their Monko's, 431 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: or what have you, and then we'll return with more 432 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: messages from you. We're back, and we are staying in 433 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: Instagram for a moment to read a message from Sam 434 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Sam in Japan. In fact, here we go. This is 435 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: what you said, Sam, So, I just heard your listener 436 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: male episode, and I want to say I too, cannot 437 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: donate blood or organs or bone marrow due to living 438 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: in Germany on a US base in the late nineteen eighties. 439 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: My father was stationed there and we lived on base. 440 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: The reasoning is that the beef that was on base 441 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: was sourced from the United Kingdom during its Mad Cow outbreak. 442 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: As a result, I've done a ton of reading on 443 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: prions and they're fascinating and terrifying and honestly might make 444 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: a good episode all their own. Did you know that 445 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: they literally cause the proteins in your brain to refold 446 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: like our agami leaving gaps, and that each protein that 447 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: misfolds then touches another, causing it to misfold, and so on. Also, 448 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to tell any surgeons that I may have 449 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: been exposed, because any gear they use should be destroyed. 450 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: WHOA autoclaves intense heat and pressure for sterilizing things like 451 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: scalpels in the like probably won't kill prions. We have 452 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: absolutely no idea how to kill them if they exist. Finally, 453 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: they can activate at any given time, from immediately after 454 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: exposure two decades later, which could be a huge problem 455 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: because at least where I grew up, chronic wasting and 456 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: dear is the same as mad cow and basically everyone 457 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: in the north Woods of Wisconsin hunts. Well, that's a 458 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: terrifying idea. Sam, Yeah, Sam, when I uh so, I 459 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: go through the conspiracy stuff show messages as always, thank 460 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: you'd everyone who writes in uh and this stood out 461 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: to me because it confirms more in depth some of 462 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: the stuff one of our earlier conspiracy realists told us. 463 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: And it also gets confirmed again uh in again in Instagram, Travis, 464 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: you wrote to us and respond to the listener mail 465 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: saying the following, the vet that was in Germany in 466 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 1: nine or couldn't give blood. Responding to this, I was 467 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: born in h and a half months premature. I was 468 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: given a lot of blood transfusions. I have never been 469 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: allowed to donate blood. I wish I could, as it 470 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: saved my life. I get you there, Travis. It's the 471 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: rule here in the United Kingdom and Ireland. Anyone who 472 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: had a blood transfusion in the years between nineteen eighty 473 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: to nine six can't donate blood ever, which is a 474 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: huge chunk of the population. This is something that I 475 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the United States are 476 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: not aware of. Right. You hear about blood shortages, right 477 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: at least I I hear about it a lot in 478 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: the vampire forums. But you know, we've been saying that 479 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: since the sixteen hundreds. You know, there's just never enough blood. 480 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: But now it's affecting humans too, you know. UM, And 481 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: I wonder you know, Matt, you and I talked about this, 482 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: uh a while back on our previous listener mail segment 483 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: um with how risk averse a lot of the blood 484 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: donation organizations and institutions are by necessity, um and how 485 00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to test for these prions. Prions, But what, like, 486 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: what's your experience giving blood been. It's been pretty tremendous 487 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: every time I've done it, you know, I've not experienced 488 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: any adverse effects other than just being a little hungry afterwards. 489 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: But that's what you get the crackers, you know, you 490 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: get the juice. Oh yeah, I think just knowing that 491 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: you are giving life like as both listeners say, like 492 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: especially Travis, it's a tremendous feeling knowing that you are 493 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: giving literally life blood so that somebody else can be helped. Right, 494 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: it's a part of you. Someone else is going to 495 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: benefit from that. And you don't need all that blood 496 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: because your body keeps making it pal So that's yeah, 497 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: hopefully you're right. Then. You know what I don't like 498 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: is giving blood for testing purposes, like during an annual 499 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: physical or something like that. Yeah, it feels like they 500 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: take way too much for what they need to do. 501 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: I know, I know when you get the cavalcade of 502 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: tests and by about vile three you start to wonder 503 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: what it is really, what are you're really doing with this? 504 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: It seems like you could combine those processes, right, If 505 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: you're ever going to get an annual physical, you take 506 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: a certain amount of blood, which you know proportion of 507 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: it would be donated, and whatever however much you need 508 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: could be tested. But testing first, then donation. So if 509 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: your test comes out well, then you can donate. Yeah, 510 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: so let's break it down. The average person has about 511 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: if you're human, you have about five liters of blood 512 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: in your body, or ten to eleven pints, which maybe 513 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like as much. And I think about taking 514 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: down ten or eleven pints of beer. I knows, so 515 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: h knowing that I'm playing with different measurements here. When 516 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: you are donating blood, the whole blood as it would 517 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: be called the target, the ideal amount to collect is 518 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: about five hundred milli leaders, but they'll go down to 519 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: a minimum of four hundred and sixty milli leaders and 520 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the total blood volume. Of course, your mileage may vary. 521 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: It depends on your height, your weight, etcetera. For some 522 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: people depend on your blood type you are. I don't 523 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: want anyway to feel dismissed here, but there's some blood 524 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: types that are just practically more usable, right Like if 525 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: you have blood type that has no platelets, then you 526 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: are a universal donor. You know you're in that type 527 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: of city, then everybody wants your blood, right and and um, 528 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: this stuff is incredibly important and it gets ignored often 529 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I can't. I think I've 530 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: mentioned this on air maybe during that segment, Matt. But 531 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: one of the ways you can tell if a military 532 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: force is really getting into a sustained operation when they 533 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: start setting up their infrastructure, they start transporting blood too 534 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: for injuries. Really weird. That's a weird way to tell 535 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: if you can get that information. Yeah, yeah, if the 536 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: blood is moving so so to the army, that's really weird. 537 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: I know, don't tell CNN because then they're going to 538 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: make it a whole weird, kitchy thing and they'll be like, 539 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: all right, now we've got our meteorologists doing the blood 540 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: report for the conflict and you know, insert country here, 541 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: whichever one this week. I'm just thinking back to our 542 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: the awesome response we got from I think it was 543 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: Jasper about how the body works, right with the B 544 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: I A or the oh man, I've already forgotten it. 545 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: It was so smart, I've already forgotten it. But it 546 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: was just the body c I A equivalent where the 547 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: intelligence agency figures out what all the stuff is in 548 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: the body. I'm just seeing these weird comparisons with the 549 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: blood flow, like literally blood flowing on a macro scale 550 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: somewhere before the troops arrive or the in this case, 551 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: the white blood cells arrived to attack something mm hm. 552 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: So you know, we did a classic episode in lieu 553 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: of a Listener Males segment last week, so we did 554 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: want to get to listener mail today. We do have 555 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: I do and I know you do, mattuh several other 556 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: stories that we wanted to share, but they're in depth 557 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: and we want to give them their due, so we're 558 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: going to hold those for next week, and we're going 559 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: to end on an important update that I wanted to 560 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: provide following on this idea of blood donation and the 561 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: institutions being risk averse, uh as we mentioned. I believe 562 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned it in that Listener Male segment. For a 563 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: very long time, people were not allowed to give blood 564 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: on the basis of their individual sexual orientation who they're 565 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: attracted to basically uh, specifically gay men. But what we 566 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: needed to include as an update there and we mentioned 567 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: this had been the law of land for a long time, 568 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: or the policy, but it we mentioned it had changed, 569 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: but we didn't give you the specifics. So when the 570 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: pandemic hit, when COVID hit around April of the f D, 571 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: a relaxed its long standing restrictions on gay men being 572 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: allowed to donate blood. And this wasn't because they said, hey, 573 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: we're being pretty discriminatory. It's because they said, hey, we 574 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: need blood. They relaxed their standards. And that's because in 575 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: March of there were eighty six thousand fewer blood donations 576 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: across the entirety of the United States. Not because people 577 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: stopped donating. There are a lot of people who do 578 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: it regularly because you know, like you, Travis, they want 579 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: to help. Maybe it helped them or a loved one 580 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: in the past. It wasn't people didn't want to help. 581 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: It's that blood drives had to be canceled due to 582 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: the spread of modern pandemic. As we speak now, human 583 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: society is trying to recover from this because there's always 584 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: there may not always be a continual supply, but there's 585 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: always going to be a continual demand. So with that 586 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: being said, your body is your own, your choices or 587 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: your own. We've talked about the hazards of organ donation 588 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: donation in the past, and you know, you may be 589 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: physically unable to give blood, maybe religiously or philosophically barred 590 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: from giving blood, but if you are able to do. 591 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: So it truly is a a noble thing to do. 592 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: You are probably never going to meet the people whose 593 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: lives you save. Uh, And you may never get some 594 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of like real board or clap on the back 595 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: or something for doing it. But it is a way 596 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: to make the world, if not a better place, a 597 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: little bit less worse. And you get crackers at the end, 598 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: at least here in the US, I don't know what 599 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: you get in other countries. You know, we need to 600 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: do we need to gamify blood donation. Each time you donate, 601 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: there's some kind of tracking system with that bag of blood. 602 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: And then when it gets used on your app, your 603 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: your blood app, you get a couple of points or 604 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: ever many points or whatever and uh, and then you 605 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: can use those points to buy crackers. You know where 606 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: it gets dangerous. What if at certain thresholds when you 607 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: get those points, what if you do it the way 608 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: like uh, school teachers who are all dramatically underpaid in 609 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: the US had to do fundraisers. You you and I 610 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 1: have family to this. So you have like the construction 611 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: paper thing, but it's a blood bag and then it 612 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: just gets filled in with red as you get closer 613 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: to the funding and then wait when you get to 614 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: the top. When you hit that threshold, you get a 615 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: free lootbox on some kind of multiplayer game. Oh that's 616 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: pretty good. I was gonna say pizza Party, but I 617 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: think I like loop box better. Well, loot box. I 618 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: think I would argue loot box is more unethical because 619 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: those games are made to be addictive. And then people 620 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: will say, Okay, I'm out of I don't have ten 621 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: dollars to throw into this machine, but I need that 622 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: new skin, so I'm gonna sell my blood for skin beautiful. 623 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: All right, Well, no judgment of brainstorming, but we are 624 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: we are going to call it a day. Uh. 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