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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends for

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Speaker 2: decades and we've decided to let you in on our

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Speaker 2: late night phone calls by starting a new podcast and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet some

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Speaker 1: real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: Your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a city

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 2: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 2: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 3: But movie making is often challenging, and the behind the

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Speaker 3: scenes with your friends and colleagues is fun. But movie

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Speaker 3: making is not always that much fun. It's worked, you know,

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Speaker 3: how you try to get you know, whenever coming back.

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Speaker 3: You got to get this scene right now, like today,

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Speaker 3: and the pressure is very real. I always felt I

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Speaker 3: got invited to do SNL the first time, and did

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Speaker 3: it several times, and then thirty five I said to myself,

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Speaker 3: this is fun. This is where the work itself is fun.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Skip, Hey, what's going on. Well, you tell me, man,

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Speaker 1: the Masters. I've been in the studio and working on

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Speaker 1: the dock and everything. What finally happened there? That was

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Speaker 1: an incredible tournament. You know, it's not often not I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say often. It's not always that the number one

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Speaker 1: player in the world or even in the field wins

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Speaker 1: the tournament. But this time Scotti Scheffler, who is in

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Speaker 1: fact the best golfer in the world, ranked number one

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Speaker 1: in the world, and he won the Masters. Last year

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Speaker 1: John rom won the year before Scottie Scheffler won, So

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Speaker 1: this is two out of three years that he's won,

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Speaker 1: and he's just a spectacular golfer. But I know what

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Speaker 1: you're turned on about, and that's you know.

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Speaker 2: Hockey playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, it's the best.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love it, but I can't compete when

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Speaker 2: it comes to being a fan.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's been the most constant thing in my life.

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Speaker 1: Even after the gut in the business and I got busy,

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Speaker 1: I would never miss a hockey to me, knowing because

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Speaker 1: I skated as a kid that I involved with the Senators.

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Speaker 1: Those kids are like ballet dancers with those skates, and

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Speaker 1: to see where the game is evolved into you know,

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Speaker 1: bigger and faster. It's it's its best when it gets

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs and it really shows you what those

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Speaker 1: kids are capable of doing. But it gets down to

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Speaker 1: the goalies. It's a goalie game at that point. If

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Speaker 1: you got the bad goalie, you're not going to win.

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Speaker 1: I've been loving it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you were an owner of the Ottawa Senators,

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Speaker 2: but I actually don't even know how or why that happened.

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Speaker 2: What was the genesis?

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Speaker 1: Well, we wanted a hockey team, and I went to

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Speaker 1: Bruce McDonald who's a buddy, and you know, he had

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Speaker 1: the Kings and he helped me put it together. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the group up in Autoba brought me in

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Speaker 1: and I was just part of a team of guys

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Speaker 1: that brought it there. And meanwhile, it hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: great hockey team for all these years as well play soccer,

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Speaker 1: but it hasn't worked out for the city, you know,

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Speaker 1: except that had a better year this year. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I've loved it. I just loved it. And I think

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Speaker 1: New York's got a shot. I love the way New

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Speaker 1: York's playing. I like like.

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Speaker 2: Two great goalies, yeah, Igor and Quickies.

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Speaker 1: My kids got Ethan's got uh the Stanley Cup game

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Speaker 1: when the Kings and New York played. When we went

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Speaker 1: to the locker room, Quick gave Ethan the hockey the

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Speaker 1: goalie stick from that wind that night, and we've got

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Speaker 1: it up on the wall.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 4: A great goalie.

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Speaker 1: You know he's older now, Quick, but he's still he's

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Speaker 1: still got his game going. Speaking of game going, how

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Speaker 1: about who's coming on here in a few days. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin Man, Yeah, I know, Alec Baldwin.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the Cup. It's amazing that he's

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Speaker 4: He's that kind of guy. You know, he's a man's man.

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Speaker 4: We all know his m O. But that's who he is.

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Speaker 1: I love the guy anytime, and I don't profess to

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Speaker 1: They wanted to sing my way with me. It's not

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Speaker 1: easy for singers. Littlone a guy that's an actor and

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Speaker 1: what have you. And he stepped up and I think

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Speaker 4: No, I can't do this. I can't do this.

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Speaker 1: No I can't say this. I can't no, no, no, you

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Speaker 1: Calm down. You gotta just think of who you are.

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Speaker 1: You got balls of steel. We know right you're it man,

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Speaker 1: And I meant it because he's in the hell of

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Speaker 1: was there. He took on that character and he was

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Speaker 1: phrasing it. He did a great job. So that was

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Speaker 1: a great moment for me. That's the last time that

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Speaker 1: I saw him. And you're bringing up this whole situation

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Speaker 1: he's in now, I gotta say, very quickly without getting deep,

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Speaker 1: I support the guy.

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Speaker 4: I think it's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I really do. It's unfortunate, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for

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Speaker 1: the other dynamics. But I hate to see a guy

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Speaker 1: I just leave it. I'm just gonna leave it like that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to even approach it,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he's kidding great, great vibe and in.

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Speaker 2: But what I will mention is that Edie, who worked

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Speaker 2: photographed everybody. She said, if she had to single out

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Speaker 2: She's just absolutely crazy about him and his talent. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: this guy can do everything, you know, from very serious

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Speaker 2: I mean he's so versatile. I mean he's great.

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Speaker 1: He did Stanley Kowalski street car name Desire. I think

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Speaker 1: it was Frank Rich the New York Times when he

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Speaker 4: I think that was his code.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty heavy, you know, that's Brando and he earned

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Speaker 4: But he's a great actor. You know, he really is actor.

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Speaker 2: And he's got including by the way, he has a

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Speaker 2: very successful podcast. And I don't know where he finds

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Speaker 2: the time this man has. I mean, I have to

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Speaker 2: take a pause here whenever I whenever say this, seven

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Speaker 2: children under the age of eleven, I mean, let me

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Speaker 2: say that again. Seven children under the age of eleven.

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Speaker 2: I mean you kidding me. You've got six, but they

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Speaker 2: seven under the age of eleven is crazy. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: ask him, you know what. I want to ask him.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask him if he's done.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how he did it. I want to ask

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Speaker 1: him how many times he did it? Bless him?

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna run. I gotta get ready for this,

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Speaker 2: so I'm gonna take off.

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Speaker 3: You have fun.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you before we go to bed.

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Speaker 4: Please, Well, what time you go to bed tonight?

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Speaker 1: Ten thirty? You don't want to call me too. I

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Speaker 1: know you'll call me at two and say good night.

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Speaker 1: I ammost calling you at ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: Good night.

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Speaker 1: Don't you have it any empathy for a dear friend

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Speaker 1: sitting up and trying to make people happy and writing.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get that AI device to call you a.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, give me a name. It's still cute. Like

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Speaker 1: I set my clock tenth theory, I gotta wake them

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Speaker 1: up and say good night. All right, Skip, I look

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Speaker 1: forward to it. I think we'll have a good time

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Speaker 1: with Alec.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be great.

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Speaker 1: All right, Skip, We're gonna talk talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Byey bye.

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Speaker 4: There's an Alex. I see hair.

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Speaker 1: I see hair over there. You can't compare. The hair

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Speaker 1: is Alex.

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Speaker 2: The top of we see the top of his head.

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Speaker 1: Aleck.

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Speaker 2: I care.

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Speaker 1: I love that here. Hey, Alec, how are we doing there?

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Speaker 1: You go?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 1: You ready to do my way again?

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Speaker 3: Actually, when I saw myself recorded doing I were with you,

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Speaker 3: I'd never been more humiliated in my life.

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Speaker 1: You pulled it off.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm never singing my way with a legendary vocalist

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Speaker 1: Well it was a big one time for me because

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Speaker 1: I've done it with Sinatra.

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Speaker 3: I'm very grateful to you.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I did it with Sinatra and then there

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Speaker 1: we were thrown into that. But you know, you had

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Speaker 1: going to do it, and then you showed the alec balls.

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Speaker 1: You just went right into the role. You came in

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't fuck the mooove. I thought Frank was

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Speaker 3: Had I it was like therapy. This is like therapy.

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Speaker 1: Where does he bring the energy from to sound like that?

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Speaker 1: You were great?

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Speaker 3: But you know something funny, but you'll appreciate. I always

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Speaker 3: tell people if I teach acting, or I go in

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Speaker 3: always tell them learn to sing the best of your ability.

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Speaker 3: I said, you will cut off so many wonderful experiences

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Speaker 3: in this business if you don't allow yourself to at

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Speaker 3: least try you know what I mean? Yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 3: don't try to learn how to sing to do musicals?

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Speaker 3: And said, well, that's all the that's where the fun is.

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Speaker 1: So that was a stretch for you. I mean you've

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Speaker 1: gone from hey, you're one of our great actors and

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Speaker 1: then the comedy with SNL and Rock? Was that really

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Speaker 1: a stretch for you to sing that the thing for

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Speaker 1: a minute?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think because I have a very raspy voice.

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Speaker 3: I remember one time I was at a fundraiser and

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Speaker 3: the guy who wrote nine Maury Yeston, was there. And

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Speaker 3: Maury Yeston was there, Nathan Lane and my Matthew Broderick

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Speaker 3: and all these people who sing on Broadway, and Maury

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Speaker 3: And whether we get out money back, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: An ego and do you know some really tough drama,

439
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: you know, and they would lose money. But Menavoid was

440
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Speaker 3: the last of that breed. Now that people who own

441
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: the companies have hired people to run the companies who

442
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 3: tried to wigetize the whole business. They want the movie

443
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 3: business to be like the potato chip business. Everything is

444
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 3: the same.

445
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Speaker 2: Paul and I on a previous podcasts, you know that

446
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Speaker 2: we do. We talk about all the things we had

447
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Speaker 2: to do before we got to do what we wanted

448
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: to do. You know, we all had those jobs. But

449
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: when did you decide you wanted to be an actor?

450
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Speaker 2: How'd that come about?

451
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Speaker 3: I had a friend of mine, I was visiting a

452
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Speaker 3: friend at NYU. I was in Washington at GW and

453
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: I visited a friend of mine and her roommate was

454
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Speaker 3: in the drama program. WISH was first blooming, you know,

455
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: the tissues that has just given a big bag of

456
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Speaker 3: money to them to build the school. And I went

457
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: in there and she said, you should be an actor.

458
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Speaker 3: And I said, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard

459
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: of in my life. And the joke was with my dad.

460
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 3: I called my mother and father and I said I'm

461
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Speaker 3: going to leave GW and go to NYU for acting.

462
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Speaker 3: And my mother was screaming at the top of her

463
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Speaker 3: lungs over the phone. Are you insane? She was screaming.

464
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: And then I said, but you don't understand. When I

465
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: go back to New York, I can claim all these

466
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: awards and all these tuition stipends, regions, scholarship, all this money.

467
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: I said, it'll be cheaper for me to go to

468
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Speaker 3: NYU than it is GW, even though it's more expensive.

469
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Speaker 3: And my father's on the phone. He goes, okay, let's

470
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Speaker 3: hear him out. Let's hear him out, like anything that

471
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: would lower my father's costs. He was over fair. So

472
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Speaker 3: that's how I went to NYU.

473
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Speaker 2: And then you thought he would leave Strasbourg, right.

474
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Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I studied at the institute. He died. We

475
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Speaker 3: had a class with him once a month where he

476
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Speaker 3: lectured us, but he died very soon after he was there.

477
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Speaker 3: The one year I was there, he was.

478
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Speaker 2: So because I'm not an actor. When they refer to

479
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Speaker 2: as method acting, like, what does that mean?

480
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Speaker 1: What's the technique?

481
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Speaker 2: Right?

482
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Speaker 1: What's the technique for that?

483
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Speaker 3: Well, to me, it's like a stream, like an arc,

484
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: which is that years ago in the silent era, you

485
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: had to be beautiful. Then they switched to sound and

486
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: you had to be able to deliver a line. Then

487
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: the war came and the war wanted They wanted flint

488
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: here people, tougher people, Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, the men

489
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: were tough. And you get into the method acting thing,

490
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: but they don't want you to indicate emotion. They want

491
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Speaker 3: you to really feel that emotion. Think about your dog dead,

492
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: think about your grandma died, and you start sobbing, and

493
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: then actions say the lines while you're genuinely emotionally packed.

494
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Speaker 3: Then we get into the computer age, where the actors

495
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Speaker 3: themselves are not necessarily the fizz and the drinks. They

496
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: invite you into the theater, a famous star has you commit,

497
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Speaker 3: but computers then take over and really to create the

498
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Speaker 3: film experience you're going to have. And now we've arrived

499
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Speaker 3: at the last installment. Now I think is that the

500
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: fittest people are the biggest stars. You gotta be fit.

501
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: They want, they want that video. If you roll in

502
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: a truck tire up a hill, they don't necessarily want

503
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: to see you, beside Shakespeare roll that tire up that

504
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: hill and we love it.

505
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Speaker 1: Hey, Alice, do you find the most actors today don't

506
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Speaker 1: bother training anymore? With the way the industry is, I think.

507
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Speaker 3: Fewer of them do. I think they trained for luck.

508
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: I think they want to have it on their resume

509
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: that they made an attempt to learn more and the

510
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: the classic education in theater is about understanding material and

511
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: studying classic plays to show you how to interpret a character.

512
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Speaker 3: And what's great about those classic roles is we know

513
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: the material works. It's you know, time honored and you

514
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 3: get in there and you learn how to break down

515
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: a character by studying great characters where there's a lot

516
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Speaker 3: of meat there on the bone. And then but I

517
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: think more and more people who are younger today they

518
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: don't go as long. They don't go to college, or

519
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Speaker 3: they don't go to years of training.

520
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Speaker 2: Your performance in Glengarry Glenn Ross time still, you know,

521
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Speaker 2: being a guy who's been selling his whole life, I've

522
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: always been, you know. I like to say I'm not

523
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: a salesman, I'm a storyteller, but at the core, I'm

524
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 2: a salesman. That that always be closing that ABC, I mean,

525
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Speaker 2: one of the great scenes that I've ever seen in

526
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Speaker 2: a movie.

527
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Speaker 3: I never wanted to do that that we get in

528
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: there to rehearse that summer we shot it. That that

529
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Speaker 3: I think that fall I was in there to rehearse.

530
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Speaker 3: Like in August, I rehearsed for a couple of days.

531
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Speaker 3: They rehearsed, they had a real rehearsal for a couple

532
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Speaker 3: of weeks, and I went in for a few days

533
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh God, I hate this because I

534
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: love all of them. I love them, I mean Lemon.

535
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: I practicularly cried when I work with Lemon.

536
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Speaker 2: I can't believe you're saying that was the thing that

537
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: bothered me the most. I felt so badly for Jack

538
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Speaker 2: Lemmon me just.

539
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Speaker 4: So.

540
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Speaker 2: I was so I was blown away by your performance,

541
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: but I was really angry with you the way you

542
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: treated him. That was really something.

543
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Speaker 3: Well, people go see the play, and the play has

544
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: revived periodically in New York all the time, and people

545
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: do the play. I've seen many productions on Broadway with Glengarry,

546
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: and people see the play and they go, well, where's

547
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: that scene where Alec Baldwin's character reams out these people

548
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: and they have to understand it's not in the play.

549
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: And I called Mammott and I said, why did you

550
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: win the Politzer Prize for Drama? He won the Politicser

551
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: Prize for that play. And I said, why do you

552
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: feel you need to add this character. He said, I

553
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: don't believe these men are criminals. He said, I needed

554
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: to ratchet up the stakes on them. I want these

555
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 3: are these men are not criminals. I need to motivate them.

556
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: This guy comes in and threatens them and the only

557
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: way they can get out of it is to commit

558
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Speaker 3: a crime. And so I was like, Wow, that was

559
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: amazing to me that he made that change.

560
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Speaker 2: And I was surprised when I read that. I read

561
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Speaker 2: that you actually prefer to, you know, to perform on

562
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: stage as opposed to television or acting in films. That

563
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: that's your first love is being on stage? Is that correct?

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

565
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Speaker 3: I mean anything live like SNL. I guessed it on

566
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: Will and Grace a few times. You're live audience. That's

567
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: always fun. You get a lot of energy. I mean,

568
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Speaker 3: Paul can probably tell you better about this that live

569
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: things always gold, magical. Yeah yeah, Well what's some of

570
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: the places you played? What's a room you go into

571
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: that was always you just felt at home.

572
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, when I started, you know, you're working for the boys,

573
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: and they controlled and that was it. And they controlled

574
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: places like the Coca Cavana, which was fucking worse. There

575
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: was a basement and all the all the mob guys

576
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: were in there and you played to them, and there

577
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: was no stage. The light boots was just a panel

578
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: on the wall. That was a tough room. Then you

579
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: got a little better when you went to the Fountain

580
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: Blue down in Miami. And then the one I loved

581
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: was at the Sands because the boys were there and

582
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: it had that magic going for it, and it was small,

583
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: it was intimate and anything could happen.

584
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Speaker 2: You know.

585
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: They had the black Book, which was you know, certain

586
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: guys from Saint Louis, Chicago. None of those boys were

587
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: allowed in town, so they're all in a black book.

588
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: But you wanted them to come to town because there

589
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: was a buzz in that little room at the Sands.

590
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: So if you're singing up there and few of them

591
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: snuck in, however, they got them in town. If the

592
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: spotlight went off the stage and hit the front table,

593
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: eight guys went under the table. They didn't want to

594
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: to see. So the magic in that room although that

595
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: the side dishes on Friday and the wives were on Saturdays,

596
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: so you'd see them with the side dish and then

597
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Monday you'd see them with the wives. So those were

598
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: the magic rooms for me, and then you evolved into

599
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, when I started traveling around the world into

600
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: the bigger stadiums and doing stuff in Italy and you know,

601
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: go to Israel. All those places have magical kind of

602
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: historical places. But you know, it gets to a point

603
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: where when you got your shit together and you know

604
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and you only select the places you

605
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: want to work in, you can work in anything. You

606
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: can work in anywhere. And that's where I always achieved

607
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: where I wanted to get to.

608
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: What's that voice? Who's that guy there playing in that

609
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: great scene and that good fellas when he sings, Pretend

610
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: you don't see her.

611
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: Oh, so That'sry fail Jerry Vale. We called him Jerry Fail.

612
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: Shy always changed everybody's name, Jerry fayle. I was the kid.

613
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, my robe in the health club was the kid.

614
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: Sammy was Smoky the bear. Dean was a veno the

615
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: ship they went on in that that steamer room. But

616
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Frank was always changing names, and you know, he was

617
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: very judgment He wasn't judgmental. There's certain singers he didn't like,

618
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, and he was very with us. He would

619
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: bring it out and I'm not going to mention any names,

620
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: but he that was Jerry Vale. I was supposed to

621
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: be in that scene, really because I gave I did

622
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: a Lonely Boy documentary. It was the first documentary ever

623
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: done on a pop idol, and nobody knew what the

624
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: COPO looked like, and a lot of it was shot

625
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: at the COPA in the sixties. So when Marty started

626
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: putting Good Fellows together, he didn't know what the helicopo

627
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: looked like. And you know, he does his research, and

628
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, nobody like Marty. And he called up and

629
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: he said, you have a film. I said yeah. He says,

630
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: can I look at it? So I get it to him.

631
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: So everything you see in that scene was taken from

632
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: my documentary Lonely Boy, And that was the look of

633
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: the COOPA, this basement, it was. I was telling the

634
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: guys the other day, it was you don't see or

635
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: feel what we did back then. And I'm not a

636
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: guy with a rear view mirror. You know, I got

637
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: to move ahead. But you sit there with all of

638
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: these different characters, and one night Sammy was singing and

639
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: we're all sitting on the floor and Sammy's on the

640
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: floor in the band and he starts, sometimes I feel

641
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: like a motherless child. And two tables over, there's a

642
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: couple of noses sitting there. One guy says, and you

643
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: looked like one right now. With that, just to show

644
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: you what you get do today, you heard the lights

645
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: went out. Three big guys came down. Carmine sent them down,

646
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: picked the guy up, took the table out. Everything was gone.

647
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Within one minute. The lights went back up, and Savvy

648
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: kept singing. Just removed them, removed them.

649
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: You know, my favorite thing was, I mean when I

650
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: like biographies a lot, I try to read a lot

651
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: of biographies. I'm reading Streisand's biography now, which is amazing.

652
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: Her memory for.

653
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: The new book. But the new book, the new one.

654
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Speaker 3: And but one of my favorite was Nick Tashas wrote

655
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Speaker 3: the biography of Dean Martin. And there was a rumor that,

656
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Speaker 3: you know, Spielberg or one of these you know, legendary

657
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: directors were going to cast somebody as Dean, and they

658
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: whether they had the right guy or I don't know.

659
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: But the Nick Tasha's book, first of all, the funniest

660
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: part is how he meets some I think you said noses.

661
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: We'll use that words of Noses, and he meets some

662
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: of these guys and they'd say, we want to sign

663
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: you and be your representative all up and down the

664
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Speaker 3: Allegheny area. He goes, well, I'm already signed with so

665
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: and so in Cleveland, and they'd say, we'll take care

666
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: of him. Then he meets some guys in Chicago. He says,

667
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Speaker 3: I'm already signed with his l again, we'll take care

668
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: take care of Then he moved to New York. He's

669
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: gonna go New York and the like, we'll take care

670
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: of them. But he did a thing in the book,

671
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: if I remember correctly, I read the book a while ago.

672
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: He did a thing where he says he's talking to

673
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: somebody and he puts on Crosby, then him on a record.

674
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: He plays some Crosby, he plays some of him, and

675
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: he plays some Elvis, and he goes as some Elvis

676
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: and he says, we're all doing the same thing. We're

677
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: all doing the same thing. It's just an updated version

678
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: of a crooner, you know, of a crooner. And that

679
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: book was one of the greatest books. And it's just

680
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: amazing that book.

681
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: You know, Dean Dean idolized. He got that whole vibe.

682
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: He told me when we were hanging, he idolized the

683
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Mills brothers, and he, the lead singer in the Mills

684
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: brother was the one that influenced them. Now they were

685
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: all influenced, and Sinatra more so with Bing Crosby. Crosby

686
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: was the guy for years. Frank idolized them, Dean idolized them,

687
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: and there was always that competitive thing. But being with

688
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Commerce was in those film industries. They brought them together

689
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: in a lot of projects, a lot of films. But

690
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Bing was the guy till Frank started to emerge in

691
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: the fifties and surpassed him. But he was the guy

692
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: for Dean. He was the guy for Frank, and that's

693
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: the guy that they wanted to be. But Crosby couldn't

694
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: swing or didn't have the attitude the way Frank did.

695
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: You know, there was nobody with the lyric like Frank.

696
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: He'd go down to the Springs and study a lyric

697
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: for like two weeks and nobody could. He runed it.

698
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: For everybody that stood in front of a band, you

699
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: were always second to him.

700
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Speaker 3: It's weird how just this morning I was having a

701
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: cup of coffee. I dropped my kids off at school,

702
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: and a couple of the other fathers out there are

703
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: buddies in mine. We all have a cup of coffee

704
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: in the morning. And I said to one, I said,

705
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: there's no human being alive as in another man or

706
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: woman alive. Maybe Ella is close. I said, where Sinatra

707
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: understood the tempo and all the beats of the song

708
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: and the lyrics. No one could ride and shift those

709
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: lyrics his mind. And I played in the cut of

710
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I Get a kickout of You off of Sinatra in Paris.

711
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: Great album and my favorite.

712
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Album, one of my favorite albums I on. I played

713
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: all the time, and there he is, see I Get

714
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: a Kick out of You, and he goes if I

715
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: took one with it would boil me to riff count

716
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: four beats he goes leap two. I mean he fractured

717
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: those lines and played with those lines like dice like

718
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: there was no one who There's people who got close,

719
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: but never as good as well.

720
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Speaker 1: Tip your two albums that he loved. The best live

721
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: album alk he ever made is the one of the sands.

722
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: I got that too. I played that to that.

723
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: That is the best live album with all of us,

724
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: every tech guy. That's the base. And I introduced Frank

725
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: to my guy that found me when I was a

726
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: kid at sixteen. Don Costa and Don thank me and

727
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Don I introduced them. In the sixties, he did an

728
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: album called Sinatra and Strings. Do you know the album, No,

729
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I beg.

730
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: You get today?

731
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Get it? And when you're under the sheets with your

732
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: squeeze or anyone you want to be with, you put

733
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: that album on. Alex.

734
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Speaker 3: It depends on what day of the week it is.

735
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Speaker 1: Well, you pick your week.

736
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Speaker 3: If it's Monday, it's my wife.

737
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Come help yourself. You're gonna love that album.

738
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm learning from you. I'm learning.

739
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna You're gonna love that album. I'll get it.

740
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 3: I'll get it today.

741
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: You call me, you tell me what you think it's.

742
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: It's it's brilliant.

743
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: So Paul's got six kids, you have seven under the

744
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: age of eleven. I was gonna say to you when

745
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: you said it dropped my kids off at school. That

746
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: takes a bus, right, you got a small bus to

747
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: take your kids.

748
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, in my family now, I'm the only person I

749
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: know who drops four kids off at school in the

750
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: morning and comes home and I still have three kids

751
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: waiting for me. When I get home. I have seven

752
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: I have eight children. I got my oldest daughter who's married,

753
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: I always has a baby, and she and her boyfriend

754
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: are living in Oregon. And I met my wife and

755
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: I got remarried and I had seven kids in nine years.

756
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

757
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: So that begs the question are you done?

758
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: How dare you ask me that question? I'm dumb, I think, well,

759
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, I found that as I got older, work

760
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: became less interesting to me. Like a dea, I'm interested,

761
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: you know, I want to work, and I like to

762
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: work and when I go and do, but they just

763
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 3: don't make that many films anymore that I think are interesting.

764
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: And plus we're all older, and I've done a lot

765
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: of stuff that i've you know, whatever I've done in

766
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: the past. I tried not to be duplicative of that

767
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: all the time. And then all of a sudden I

768
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: met my wife, who I love dearly, And every time

769
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: the baby would get to be two years old, to go,

770
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: maybe it's time for one more baby, one more baby,

771
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: so we'd have we have seven kids.

772
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: How old are you know?

773
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: Sixty six? I was a couple weeks ago.

774
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: I was sixty.

775
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: I have a one and a half year old baby babies.

776
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: You guys sixty six.

777
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: Now your daughter is married to one of my favorite actors.

778
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm not just saying I love you.

779
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: Oh.

780
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: I spoke to him yesterday. Was it in New York?

781
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: Now?

782
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: Is that for eight months making a film?

783
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: He's making a series with u Jude Law.

784
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: Oh? Wow, I just spoke to I love Jason. He

785
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: can do anything. He can do anything.

786
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: He's such a good guy.

787
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: You know that Ozaka.

788
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: I watched that goddamn show till I was going to

789
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: jump off the roof. I couldn't. It was so tense,

790
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: you know, so tense.

791
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: He loves the directing vibe. Now, he's just good directing away.

792
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: And thankfully we had an end. So he was our

793
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: first guest on our very first podcast.

794
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: I was the first guest on Inside the Actors Studio.

795
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

796
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: Really, I did the very first thing. I didn't do

797
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: the first airing, but I was the first person to recorded.

798
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: But Jim for only one reason, and that as Paul

799
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: Newman called me another person you can't say no to.

800
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 3: And Newman called me on the phone and said, hey man,

801
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: they want to interview me first, and he said, I

802
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: can't do it. I got a scheduling confict. He goes,

803
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: do you mind filling in from me? And I said,

804
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: and I wanted to say, are you out of your

805
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: fucking mind that I'm going to fill in for you?

806
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: Nobody can fill in for you? But he said, would

807
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: you do this to me? And I went in and

808
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: I did it. And you know, he's a guy who

809
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: he's gone now for quite a while. I think twenty

810
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: and eighty died, I can't remember. But man, for a

811
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: guy who was as monolithic as he was, I mean,

812
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: I met a lot of people in this business who

813
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: I love and my peers. I respect many of my peers,

814
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: but I only wet my pants when I meet these

815
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: other ones, you know, I mean like Paul and Redford

816
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: and Warren Batty and Dustin Hoffman and on and on.

817
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: I mean I met a lot of people, Bob and

818
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: Al and all those people. Marty I worked with her

819
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: for a little while, And I was in an elevator

820
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: once with with Burt Lancaster. I rode an elevator with him,

821
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: just like six floors in the elevator and I just

822
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: stared at him like he was I couldn't believe I

823
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: was standing next to Bert Lee and then Michael Douglas

824
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: would come to the US Open and one year he

825
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: brought his father with him, and he knew how much

826
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: I loved his father. And I walked up and I

827
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: hugged him and I said hi to his wife, and

828
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: he just frowned it with dad's over there, and I

829
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: just want to see all that. And I sat with

830
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 3: with Kirk Douglas night. I worshiped Kirk.

831
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: He was cool. Yeah, man. I used to see him

832
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: when I was living with Sammy Kahn, and I'd come

833
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and stay at Sammy's and they lived across the street

834
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: from each other, so I'd go hang over there. But

835
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: he was he was just one of those big guys.

836
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: He filled the room.

837
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: Loved him.

838
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: Very rare to be that biggest star or be that

839
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: talented of an actor at the same time. Very Now,

840
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: did you spend much time in New York Hall Did

841
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: you live here much at all?

842
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: Well?

843
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: I left Canada at fifteen, so it was down in

844
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: New York. You know, That's where it was all happening.

845
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: I can only afford to get to New York, so

846
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: I hit it got lucky at fifteen years old. So

847
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in New York till

848
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I moved west in the seventies, but always returned. You know,

849
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: New York's New York. You're not going to duplicate it,

850
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean for me. And then it became Paris, you know,

851
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: because I got married over there and got the feel

852
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: for it. But New York I love, and I got

853
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, I got my street smarts new York. So

854
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: I came west.

855
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: Now you're you're several children. Are any of them in

856
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: the bids?

857
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Uh?

858
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: Well, I got Amanda, who works with Jason. Yeah, so

859
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: she's involved there with Jen two. And I got to

860
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: kids in Europe. One's a lawyer in Geneva. I got

861
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: a young lady that's kind of a writer in London.

862
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: And I got one in Monte Carlo. And then I

863
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: have another daughter here. So the answer is I got

864
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: a lot.

865
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: I love how none of them are in Chicago, Des Moines.

866
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: They got My kids are in Monte Carlo.

867
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: They got smart. Well, you know, I was an international creature,

868
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen, sixteen, seventy and eighteen, I was all

869
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: over the world. I was traveling, I was in communist countries.

870
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: I was an Asian and I took the kids and

871
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: every time I went to Europe, I took the kids.

872
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know what that balance is that did

873
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: you have to have, you know, but the main thing

874
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: is that family always so I insisted on taking them,

875
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: so they got the taste early.

876
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell my kids, I want one of them

877
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: to become a lawyer and move to Geneva. That idea

878
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: sounds like happening.

879
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good idea. If you want to give

880
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: her some money, don't leave it at that.

881
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, exactly, So when you were talking about talking

882
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: about Ella, so in Paul Newman, here's an irony. So

883
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: when Edie and I were first together, we lived in

884
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: Fairfield County, and Paul Newman lived close by. We moved

885
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: in two thousand to Beverly Hills. The home that we

886
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: live in was Ela Fitzgerald's house. She lived in the

887
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: house twenty five years. Died in the house directly across

888
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: the street. Literally, if you pull out of our driveway

889
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: and just cross the street, you go into the driveway

890
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: of Paul Newman's house, directly across the street from us.

891
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: But he was gone before we got there.

892
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 3: You guys were in Connecticut for a while. I remember, correct,

893
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: right then you went to LA.

894
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: I grew up in Connecticut, grew up in Hartford, and

895
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: I tried to convince Edie when we were first together.

896
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: I was working at Hartford and Edie was, of course

897
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: at the show in New York City, and we decided

898
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: to split the difference. Wound up on the Westport Fairfield line.

899
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: Adie never adjusted to Liviyan Connecticut. That won't shock you.

900
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: That was not her thing.

901
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: Does she like La? You've been there forever now? Does

902
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: she like it there?

903
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: She loves La. But if I said to her today,

904
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, we were talking to Alec and We're talking

905
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: about New York and I was thinking maybe we should

906
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: move back, she would leave today and send for her clothes.

907
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, Edie, misses. I never was. I mean, I

908
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: loved working in LA. There really is nothing on earth

909
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: as great as working in La. Meeting. I would go

910
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: some films I shot on a lot for quite a while.

911
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: We'd be there. One movie we shot there was a

912
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: lot of breaks for the holidays. We started in October

913
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: and finished like in January. And you always know you're

914
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: on a movie, a big movie when the decorations in

915
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: the makeup trailer go from pumpkins to turkeys to Santa Claus.

916
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's like we're there for quite a while

917
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: making this better. I love being on the lot. This

918
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: was at Universal. I loved it. But I don't like

919
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: LA because I'm in a car all the time. But

920
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: the person I hate the most, you know, I'm driving around.

921
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: I can't stand driving. I can't get any work done.

922
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: But you're so be associated with New York. But with

923
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: everybody that's out there, you know, Jerry Seinfeld, Billy Joel,

924
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney. I mean, do you hang with do you

925
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 2: hang with people or most.

926
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: I'd see them from time to time. I used to

927
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: take a yoga class with Lorne, John Eastman, who's Paul's

928
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: brother in law, John Alexander, the painter, Lorne and I

929
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: and with the five of us and we would take

930
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: a yoga class. We called ourselves the Yoga Boys. And

931
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: the only one who was really adept at yoga was McCartney.

932
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: He would do a handstand or a headstand and lead.

933
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: He had the most live body you've ever seen, and

934
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: he was like in back then. He was in his

935
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 3: late sixties and he was so fit and he would

936
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 3: I mean one time. He does a headstand before he leaves,

937
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: and he gets up and he whispers to me. He goes,

938
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go take my daughter to lunch because I'll

939
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: see you guys later. And I looked up at him

940
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: and he after he did the headstand, and I know,

941
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: you're an asshole. And I never thought i'd call one

942
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: of the Beatles an asshole, you know. But he was

943
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: always showing us up with his physical skills. He was

944
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: very thick guy. That crowd is out there, and that

945
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: crowd has all their rhythms and so on. But we're

946
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: actually selling.

947
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: Our house, moving to Vermont, right, Yeah.

948
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: We bought a place in Vermont, and I'm trying to

949
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: get everybody to start to acclimate up therapy. When you

950
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: spend the predominance of your time out there, and that's

951
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: the time it's the toughest. You know, it's crowded, and

952
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: I go out there. I used to go out there

953
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: year round them. I mean, I loved East Hampton in February.

954
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: I loved it. In the dead of winter. We'd make

955
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: five Marcie Klein, Marcy Kleiner, you're now Marci Klein would

956
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: have dinner parties at her house we play scrabble. We

957
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: played all kinds of games, watch movies, watch shitty TV shows, eat,

958
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: make a fire. February and Eastampton is glorious. But I

959
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: think my wife wants a little change of scenery now

960
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: because it's so crowded about that.

961
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Well, you'll you'll be very familiar with Interstate ninety one

962
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: on your way up.

963
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: From Yeah, I know, I love ver Mount It's so peaceful.

964
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: We got we got a great deal. We got fifty

965
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: five acres houses built in seventeen ninety two. It's very pretty. Now, Paul,

966
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: where's your getaway like when you're you live in La Now?

967
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been out here. I'm a place called Lake Sherwood,

968
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: which is about thirty minutes outside of the action. I

969
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: got five acres out here. It's Murdoch built. This beautiful

970
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: is it Malibu. It's twenty minutes from Alibau, just over

971
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: the mountain. It's a private community and it's got all

972
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, good schools and one have you near

973
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: the good airport that I to leave from. So it's

974
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: called Lake Sherwood And I'm you know, I'm here. I

975
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: come home to what I call clean sheets. You know,

976
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm traveling all the time. So I just got back

977
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: from Hawaii. I'm going down to Asia next week that

978
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm starting on a tour and going to Europe, and

979
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: so I'm out of here about four months of the year,

980
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm over in New York seeing my kids. You know,

981
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: keep moving. You got to keep moving, Alex, or they

982
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: throw dirt on you.

983
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep moving.

984
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: You got to keep moving, Alex.

985
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: He's eighty two years old and he's still touring. And

986
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: I have to say this not to embarrass it, but

987
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: I first saw him perform at the Golden Nugget in

988
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: Las Vegas more than forty years ago, and the most

989
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: recent time I saw him was just a few weeks

990
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: ago when he performed here in La The show is

991
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: as good or better with as much energy or more energy.

992
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. He's unstoppable.

993
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: The show is phenomenal, and it's just it's remarkable.

994
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I did the roast and he showed up, and when

995
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: I came out, people applauded. But when he came out

996
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: and sang, they really applauded. That's when you really heard

997
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: the applause.

998
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: I woant to ship my pats if they did.

999
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: My favorite, Paul ank I mean, other than all the

1000
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: beautiful songs and all the great songs you wrote. Of course,

1001
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: everybody when I grew up, we were kids, someone would

1002
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: say that Paul Anchor, he wrote the theme song to

1003
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: the Tonight Show, and they go and he must get

1004
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: paid every night. They he must be worth a billion dollars.

1005
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: How much do you think he's worth, fellas at least

1006
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: a quarter of a billion. They must have paid him

1007
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: for that goddamn song every night on TV, every night.

1008
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: And I don't want you answer that question.

1009
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: But I'll answer it. I'll answer it. I didn't make

1010
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: a billion dollars. Well, you know the story beind no, god, no,

1011
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, listen. It was always a challenge for me

1012
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: as a young kid. You know, I'm always running into

1013
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: a wall. And when you're young there nobody's given you

1014
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: really a lot of help.

1015
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: So I had.

1016
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: I gave Johnny a job on this TV show I

1017
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: was doing, and then I ran into him in New

1018
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: York and you know, what are you doing? Johnny said, Well,

1019
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this TV show for about a

1020
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: year to like and really find something I like. Ha

1021
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: ha said, what is it? He said, tonight show thing,

1022
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: and he said, we're changing some stuff and maybe i'd

1023
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: like a new theme, and I said, yeah, great. So

1024
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: I go in the studio, I think two hundred and

1025
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: fifty bucks and I put my vision down. Dad at

1026
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: that Dada, and I send him the record and he says,

1027
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I love it. We're going to do it. And then

1028
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: he calls me back. He says, uh, you know, Skith

1029
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: hand to Skitch Henderson has been with the show for years.

1030
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't want some kid coming in here, and I

1031
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: can't use it. I said, jeez, Johnny. I said, well,

1032
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: let me ask you something. If I give you half

1033
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: of the writer's royalty, half of the publishing, I'll give

1034
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: you half of everything, and whatever happens, you're going to

1035
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: be my partner. I get called the next day, says,

1036
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: you know what I think would work this out? He says,

1037
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: you got it.

1038
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: It's a great song.

1039
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: So now it's a silly song like eight seconds, just

1040
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: get it. But anyway, what happened was what happened. He

1041
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: didn't know he was going to stay on for thirty

1042
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: some years. I certainly didn't know. I was just looking

1043
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: for another notch in the belt. It went on for

1044
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: so many years that these societies BMI and ASKAP kept

1045
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: changing the parameters of payments because it was earning too much,

1046
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: so they drop a new one in every year. But

1047
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: we earned a lot of money from it. It was

1048
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: unusual because it was the most played same and it

1049
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: was the longest running show with a guy that knew

1050
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: his shit. Johnny was amazing. He was just the best

1051
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: at that. He was something to work with.

1052
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid, there was no cable,

1053
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: there was no When I tell my kids there's no

1054
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: cell phones, no cable, no Internet, they look at me like, wow,

1055
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, you're such a dinosaur in it, like your

1056
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: childhood sounds like you're so impoverished. And I had a

1057
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: little Sony TV, a little red plastic small TV. You

1058
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: plugged it in. It had rabbit ears, no cable back then,

1059
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: in the seventies, and I'd put that TV between my

1060
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: legs on a pillow and put a blanket over my

1061
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: head because my father would come up the driveway and

1062
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 3: see the TV flickering in the window if I didn't

1063
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: hide it. And I had a little jack on the

1064
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: side where you put one little plug in your ear

1065
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: and you could listen to the thing in silence, and

1066
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: I would watch The Tonight Show, Mary Hartman, all these

1067
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: crazy shows back then. And there were three songs that

1068
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: are the most iconic songs from my childhood. One is

1069
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: Syncopated Clock that they play for the Late Show in

1070
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: New York. That's a famous set classic that was That

1071
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: was the song to the Late Show on CBS. The

1072
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: other one was the Alfred Hitchcock theme song Bump Bump.

1073
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: And the other one was the Tonight Show that song

1074
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: you You. That song made you sit up, You're like, Okay,

1075
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: here we go. It made you buckle up and go

1076
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: here is this Here comes Johnny And it was one

1077
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 3: of the greatest pieces of music and TV history ever.

1078
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: So can you talk about for a minute just about

1079
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're you're about giving back, but

1080
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: can you talk about like your advocacy, what what causes

1081
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: are important to you right now?

1082
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: Most of the stuff I've advocated was for the arts,

1083
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: Like for years I was on the board of you know,

1084
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: based in Theatre in Seck Harbor Guildhall in East Tampton,

1085
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: gave money to my alma mater and NYU the Philharmonica.

1086
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: I'm on the board of Carnegie Hall when wherever I

1087
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: could help in the arts, because I was really my

1088
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: foundation was geared toward the arts and still is to

1089
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: a degree. But I mean some is environmentally related, some

1090
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: health related. But you know, my dad was the one

1091
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: who kind of put that curse on me. You know,

1092
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: my dad was my parents got separated right before he died.

1093
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: He died in nineteen eighty three. He was only fifty

1094
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 3: five years old. He had a very rabid form of cancer.

1095
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: And my dad looked at me one time. I forget

1096
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: what it was. He had nothing to do with my

1097
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: family or helping my family. There was some context where

1098
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: my dad looked at me and said, well, you know,

1099
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: God didn't give you this money for you, and he

1100
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: just had to stare at me, like you get it.

1101
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: He goes, God didn't put this money in your life

1102
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: for you. He gave it to you to help other

1103
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: people as well. And I'll never forget that. And that

1104
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: just changed my whole life. And I started small, but

1105
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: then eventually I started my foundation in two thousand and six.

1106
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: No board, no, I mean of the legally required board

1107
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: of two outside family members. But you know, all my

1108
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: own cash, all my own tributaries of money, like Capital

1109
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: One Bank car cards that did for five years, and

1110
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff like that match game we did

1111
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: match game, which was a lot of fun. Actually I

1112
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: had a lot of fun doing that, more fun than

1113
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: I can admit. That launched me into that world of

1114
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: giving money to charities. But I learned a lot, as

1115
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: maybe Paul probably knows as well from his career, which

1116
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: is these people sat me down at a conference and

1117
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: I Credit Sweese and it was a philanthropy conference, and

1118
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: they said, we don't want you to give you a

1119
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: million bucks then you go away. I mean, that's nice,

1120
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: we'll take it. But what we really wanted, we want

1121
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: you to give us fifteen thousand dollars a year for

1122
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: every year, Like we want to be able to rely

1123
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: on your contribution. We want to be able to budget

1124
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: and make plans knowing you're going to give us x

1125
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: a year for twenty years or twenty five years. And

1126
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about philanthropy from this conference, which

1127
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: was held here in New York by Credit Swee, and

1128
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: it really changed my thinking because they just want they

1129
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: want to be able to make plants, They want reliability.

1130
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever try to convince other actors to do

1131
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: the same to be involved, or you just stay, you

1132
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: stay in your own garden in that area.

1133
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: N See, I wouldn't I mean to me, I would

1134
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: buy tickets and tables, and I wouldn't ask anybody to contribute.

1135
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: I'd buy the table. I'd invite you to come. I mean,

1136
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: I learned from some of my friends who are wealthier

1137
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: than I'll ever be, more money than I'll ever have

1138
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: it ever. And I learned from them is the way

1139
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: you stay friends with them is you don't ask them

1140
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: for money.

1141
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: That's right. So I don't What do you do away

1142
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: from your family? Meaning, do you play golf? Do you

1143
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: play tennis?

1144
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: No? I played tennisall summer A little bit, you do, Yeah,

1145
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: my kids, My kids have. The thing that's happened in

1146
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: these last ten years, especially the last three or four years,

1147
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: is my kids are used to be being around. Am

1148
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: I growing to rely on that? I mean they really

1149
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 3: rely when I'm gone. They're like, you know, they're on

1150
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: the FaceTime. If I travel to go away for a

1151
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: couple of days to get a paycheck, they were on

1152
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: my FaceTime going you know, where are you? What are

1153
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: you doing? You know, they're completely baffled when I go away.

1154
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: But I think the thing I like to do the most,

1155
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: it honestly, is popular music ceased to speak to me

1156
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: in the eighties. It was all I wasn't young anymore.

1157
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: I was probably in my thirties, mid you know, thirty

1158
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: years old, and I'd listened to you know, I love you,

1159
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: I love you, I love you. I don't love you anymore?

1160
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: How can I stop loving you? I still love you?

1161
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: I mean all the music was very prayer isle and

1162
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: very much for young people. I turned on a classical

1163
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: radio station in La I never turned back. I've listened

1164
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: most almost exclusively to jazz and pop, you know, vocalists,

1165
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: frank et cetera. But I listened probably eighty percent of

1166
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: the music that's downloaded in my phone that I listened

1167
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: to every day. It's classical music. And I'm on the

1168
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: board of the Philharmonic, and it just took over my

1169
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: whole life. I really, really, I've never listened to music

1170
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: that There's there's a few things that grab a hold

1171
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: of me like that. I like to go to the symphony,

1172
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: the theater, and but I will usually most movies I

1173
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: stream at home. But classical music is such a big

1174
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: part of my life now.

1175
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of it too. It does something,

1176
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: it does something so different than everything else that you

1177
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: listen to, and it's it's the basis of a lot

1178
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you hear today. It's just so soothing.

1179
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: Peter Frampton did my podcast and he had a really

1180
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: interesting observation. He said, when I get out there, he goes,

1181
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: it's all about sounds. He said, it's not just music,

1182
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 3: it sounds. He had that little talk that talk box

1183
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: and he played with that and he said, all I'm

1184
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: about is making sounds, and that's what music is to me.

1185
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: The classical music and what it does to you is

1186
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: on the same part. One of my favorite singers, of

1187
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: my father's favorite singer was not King Cole.

1188
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great, great guy, and I listened.

1189
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: To him and this the sound of his voice is

1190
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: so soothing. It's like it's like a drug. It's like

1191
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: a medication. It just calms you down.

1192
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I used to sit and watch him at the sands

1193
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: and he was the smoothest and he was the one

1194
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: guy never wanted to be around Frank or the guys

1195
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: as much as they. He wanted to do his own thing.

1196
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: He was elegant and he had he always smoked his cigarettes,

1197
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: but with the cigarette holder. He'd come off stage and

1198
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: he had that cigarette holder. And every time Frank and

1199
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: the guys wanted him to hang.

1200
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 3: He wanted nothing to do with Why do you think

1201
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: that is why?

1202
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: Well, that's a tough crowd. First of all, I mean,

1203
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: you know when you when you you got to think.

1204
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: I remember when Johnny got up with him because he

1205
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: was scared shitless. He got up there one time at

1206
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: the Sands and this first time you saw Johnny kind

1207
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: of not comfortable. But you hang with those guys, you

1208
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: bring your passport because you never know what city you'll

1209
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: be in the next day. Frank just threw those parties

1210
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: and that was not that way. He wanted no part

1211
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: of that. You're you're you're straight shooter and you got humor,

1212
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: you're a man's man. When you're a man's man around Frank,

1213
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: and that's all you ever saw. And I'm a guy

1214
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: got stories I won't even tell you. But he was

1215
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: the guy and the laughs all night. You're up partying, right,

1216
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: that was Frank's thing. So if you're going to hang

1217
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: with him, you better be ready. And then they go

1218
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: to the set they start shooting Ocean's eleven. They start

1219
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: like at noon all day and then they go back

1220
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: on stage to night. So that was not NAT's thing,

1221
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: going back to that. There's no way he was going

1222
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: to get involved in any of that.

1223
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no way.

1224
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: And they could drink.

1225
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. I can't even admit, are you

1226
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: a drinker? I don't discuss this a lot. I discussed

1227
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: it every now and that mony So when it makes sense,

1228
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: I'm thirty nine years sober. I got sober February twenty third,

1229
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five. Wow, Because, as I tell people, and

1230
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: you'll appreciate this, I was in Los Angeles. I moved

1231
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: out there in eighty three, and I had a two

1232
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 3: year daily white hot problem. Every day for two years.

1233
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: I think guy snorted a line of cocaine from here

1234
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 3: to Saturn. We did one on the rings of Saturn.

1235
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: Then we came home. We took it back home. I mean,

1236
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: cocaine was like coffee back and everybody was doing it

1237
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: all day. I did a lot of coke and then

1238
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: I and then February twenty third, nineteen eighty five, by stuff,

1239
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: and I just because as I stopped doing drugs and

1240
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: my drinking increased, which is they tell you that's going

1241
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: to happen, and that did happen. I just started drinking.

1242
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: I mean, and the thing, I miss his drinking. I

1243
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: don't miss Druggs at all, but I do miss drinking.

1244
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: I like to drink.

1245
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, Frank and those guys, it was all drinking.

1246
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: And what the separation that happened with Sammy and Frank

1247
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: was Sammy who I've got to tell you it was

1248
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: the greatest guy. He was the entertainer and we all

1249
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: loved them. There was nobody to like him. But he

1250
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: got into coke and that's what separated him and Frank

1251
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: for a few years. Frank wanted nothing to do with that.

1252
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, weed was it, but no way is.

1253
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: I think I think it's great. I'm I'm not going

1254
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: to say who, but a very famous director I bumped

1255
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: into the other day at an event. He was there,

1256
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: and I think he's doing a movie about Sammy. They're

1257
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: doing a biography.

1258
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been talking about it, and I know that

1259
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: I know Marty's thinking of doing this out the story

1260
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: again because they wanted to read. They want to be

1261
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: an advisor on it. But I hear that he's really

1262
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: seriously looking at it, but hey, whatever he does. Sammy,

1263
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: they've been talking about this, They've been talking about Sammy

1264
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: for Broadway, and they've been talking about the film, and

1265
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: they should because he was the best and you're the best.

1266
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 2: Alec before you run, You've been very generous with your time.

1267
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: But because you don't drink, and because you don't do drugs,

1268
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: what do you do you meditate? What do you do

1269
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: to deal with the pressures of the outside, you know forces,

1270
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: what do you do to get away from that drink?

1271
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: I drink.

1272
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: I lied, I've been drinking stop since nineteen I lie.

1273
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: I tell people I'm sober and I drink my balls off.

1274
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: But no, I do miss drinking, I must say. But

1275
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: one of the things I like to do is because

1276
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: New York is so convenient. People say, why do you

1277
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: live in New York? This August I've been I've had

1278
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: an address, I've had a home in New York for

1279
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: forty five years. I've lived here, and I went back

1280
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: and forth to La you know, all the time when

1281
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 3: I was married to my ex wife and everything, and

1282
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: I would always commuting. I went New York to La

1283
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: twenty times a year, But New York relaxes me. I

1284
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: walk around and I see aspects of it that I've

1285
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: never seen before. I look at a building and I'll go,

1286
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: my god, I never noticed that about that building. Those doors.

1287
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: You know.

1288
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 3: New York is like a European city. You walk around,

1289
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: you and keep your eyes open. And I have lunches

1290
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: and coffee and my friends. And I'd like to get

1291
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: out of here because the city is chaotic. But we

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Speaker 3: live in the village. It's a little bit more residential.

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Speaker 3: I love New York. I love.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: My friend said, you live in New York if you

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Speaker 3: don't go get tickets and go see things. I said,

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Speaker 3: this is like opening your Christmas presents and playing with

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Speaker 3: the boxes. He said. You've got to avail yourself of

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Speaker 3: everything that's there in New York. But and I do.

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Speaker 3: I go to the symphony and the opera and the

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Speaker 3: ballet all the time, you know, pretty regularly. But I

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Speaker 3: do try to meditate. Meditating with seven children is like

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Speaker 3: trying to play ping pong on the deck of an aircraft.

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Speaker 3: It's a real pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: It's a real Hey, Alex, you got to get some minooka, honey,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get some lemon and keep it around the

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Speaker 1: house because your throat you can you can do better

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Speaker 1: if you get that honey, and you get some of

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Speaker 1: that lemon in you and just do it consistently. It's magical.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna sing one day. It might not be to

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Speaker 3: the next life with me. You're gonna produce ready, listen,

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Speaker 3: I can't affortunate. Listen, I can't afford you.

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Speaker 1: Cost you nothing. Hey, Alec, We're with you, man, We

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Speaker 1: love you. This this toot, she'll pass.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Thank you, buddy, My love to you too. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me thoughos I really loved it.

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Speaker 2: It was really enjoying it, so it was so so great.

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Speaker 2: Really loved it. Thanks, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Have a great day, fellaws. We'll talk to you down

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Speaker 3: the road.

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtog, with supervising producer

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Speaker 2: and editor Marcy Depinum.

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