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Speaker 4: What is going on, everybody?

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Speaker 5: It's me John Middlecoff Three and Out Podcasts live here

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Speaker 5: at the Combine and we've had a busy day.

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Speaker 5: We made sure to get all of our friends and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure with guy Andy Reid, you might have heard

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Speaker 5: Brett Veach is GM, Jason Light who signed Tom Brady,

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Speaker 4: You might even be able to hear him on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Definitely see him on the video.

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Speaker 5: Did a lot of talking with Big Dom today, so

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Speaker 4: Today Albert Breer.

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Speaker 5: We had a long talk with Breer, who I think

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Speaker 4: Basically everything's going on in the combine.

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Speaker 5: So we'll have him for a long, long talk today

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Speaker 5: and who knows what tomorrow may bring. I'm obviously a

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Speaker 1: If you know you're saying, hey, like there's a character

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this for me, John, How often when

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Speaker 5: Almost always, I would say nine nine And sometimes character

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Speaker 1: Trub there's different levels, but the NFL people just use

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Speaker 4: These are seven figure decisions for sure. You know, so

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Speaker 4: you're going to depend on these guys. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: You want to know that, Like I mean, you know Caleb,

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Speaker 4: For more than one pick.

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Speaker 5: We'll talk about him. I saw you, you know, Ryan

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for any and he's he's like, it's

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Speaker 1: he's talking to everyone about It serves the Bears to

438
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Speaker 1: have an idea of what they're going to do because

439
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Speaker 1: they are so deep in the process. They've done a

440
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Speaker 1: ton of background work on Caleb Williams. They know now

441
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Speaker 1: they'll have to sit down with him here and go

442
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Speaker 1: through that part of the process and all that different stuff.

443
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Speaker 1: But now, I mean, you worked in this ninety percent

444
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Speaker 1: of the work is done and they so it'd be

445
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Speaker 1: silly not to think that they have it in the back.

446
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Speaker 4: They have the plan. Here's probably what we're going to do.

447
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Speaker 4: But what do you think that is?

448
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Speaker 1: I think they I think it's to draft Caleb and

449
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Speaker 1: trade justin probably I think, can I make sure I

450
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Speaker 1: think that's what it is.

451
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Speaker 4: I don't know, So that trade probably happened before March eleven.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that's and that's something like

453
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Speaker 1: that that that Ryan was actually pretty upfront with the

454
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Speaker 1: Chicago media about that was he said something along the lines,

455
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Speaker 1: and that makes sense because you trade them before free agency.

456
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Speaker 1: It's the best for the kid, obviously because he gets closure,

457
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Speaker 1: but it's also the best for the team because that's

458
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Speaker 1: when you're gonna have your most suitors. Like a month

459
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Speaker 1: from now, six weeks from now, there are going to

460
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Speaker 1: be fewer teams with the quarterback need than there are

461
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Speaker 1: right now. So when does it make sense to trade

462
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Speaker 1: the guy when you have the most suitors, which is

463
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Speaker 1: right now. So you know, I think that they wind

464
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Speaker 1: up trading him maybe for a Day two pick and

465
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Speaker 1: a Day three pick, and you know, like and then

466
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Speaker 1: I think they I think, you know, Caleb's the guy.

467
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Speaker 1: And that's again, like that's my own feeling on it.

468
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't serve Ryan Poles to sit here and

469
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Speaker 1: say to the world he made up our mind. It

470
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Speaker 1: serves him to say, we still don't know what we're

471
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Speaker 1: going to do for sure. So everybody comes to him

472
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Speaker 1: and he has a full a full view of everything,

473
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Speaker 1: and so he's a full view of what teams are

474
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Speaker 1: willing to offer for the number one pick. He also

475
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Speaker 1: has a full view of what teams are willing to

476
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Speaker 1: give him for justin Fields.

477
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Speaker 5: You know, let's talk about the number two team Washington.

478
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Speaker 5: I've known Adam since I was a graduate assistant at

479
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Speaker 5: Prisne State. He's just he's a pretty unique guy because

480
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Speaker 5: he's been a part of all these teams.

481
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Speaker 4: But he's kind of low key.

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, he's not some big front runner media

483
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Speaker 5: guy that way, even though he kind of looks like

484
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Speaker 5: it with a show hair. I don't know dan Quinn

485
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Speaker 5: watching from outside, clearly his positive energy and when he yeah,

486
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Speaker 5: which are just initial on that pairing and just where

487
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Speaker 5: they stand given what they've gone through.

488
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Speaker 4: For a long Yeah.

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, I look like there's a lot of like

490
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Speaker 1: common connections, and I talked to I talked to, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: a couple of people there about AP Like he did

492
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Speaker 1: a lot of like work on DQ going through the

493
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Speaker 1: people in San Francisco. You'll remember a lot of those

494
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Speaker 1: guys were on the staff in Atlanta.

495
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyle and always with Quinn.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kyle and Michael Floor was in Atlanta, and

497
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Speaker 1: you know Mike McDaniel, who he can go to is

498
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Speaker 1: it was in Atlanta, and like so they all worked

499
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Speaker 1: for for DQ and had the context of who he

500
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Speaker 1: is as a head coach, and so that's a big

501
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Speaker 1: part of it. I also think, you know, I always

502
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Speaker 1: said this about like, you know, I feel like Quinn's

503
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Speaker 1: name in the public sphere kind of cooled off a

504
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Speaker 1: little bit and people would ask me, and I said,

505
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Speaker 1: go ask Michael Parsons, like that's that He'll tell you

506
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Speaker 1: what you need to know. And he was able to

507
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Speaker 1: adjust his scheme and get the most out of Michael Parsons.

508
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Speaker 4: That that's what coaching is. Like he was so well

509
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Speaker 4: the dB.

510
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Speaker 1: He's got more out of Trevon Diggs, like what happened

511
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Speaker 1: with Bland, Like to have Dran Bland ready to roll

512
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Speaker 1: the way they did to get more out of Stephan

513
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Speaker 1: Gilmour in the back end of his career. Malik Hooker

514
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: was another one they completely resurrected. You know, DeMarcus Lawrence

515
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Speaker 1: continues to be productive. You know, their defensive tackles are

516
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Speaker 1: really good. So you know, like I just think, like

517
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Speaker 1: the idea with with d Q.

518
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Speaker 4: Who's probably the highest paid coordinator year, was.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're hiring a guy who has You're hiring

520
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Speaker 1: a guy who has I don't know if he's making

521
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Speaker 1: what Vic was making in Miami. Yeah, but uh but

522
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Speaker 1: I do think like there's a you know, like I think,

523
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Speaker 1: on one hand, he's going to create an incredible culture,

524
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Speaker 1: which he did in Atlanta and which he was part

525
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Speaker 1: of building on the defensive side of the ball in Dallas,

526
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Speaker 1: and then there's such an emphasis in the way he

527
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Speaker 1: does things on getting the most out of people. And

528
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Speaker 1: I would tell anybody to go back and look at

529
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Speaker 1: those Atlanta teams and how many guys had career years

530
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Speaker 1: when Quinn was there, Like now, some of them are

531
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Speaker 1: the prime of their christ Matt Ryan wanted an MVP.

532
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Julio Jones was the best receiver in football. The offensive

533
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Speaker 1: line played well with Jake Matthews at left tackle. You know,

534
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Speaker 1: Deon Jones was a top of the league middle line

535
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Speaker 1: that that little running back they had was a stud, right,

536
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Speaker 1: both of.

537
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Speaker 4: Them, Coleman and Foreman were both really good players.

538
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Speaker 1: You know, I think you can see and I think

539
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Speaker 1: that's one thing you can see consistently with Quinn is

540
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: he's maximizing guys. And so I think that part of

541
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Speaker 1: it's going to be really interesting to watching how they

542
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: build the team up. And you know, Adams, I mean,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, Adam like he yeah, I mean like this

544
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: is a long time coming and he's deserved his shop

545
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I think the personality match

546
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: is going to be really good. And yeah, man, like

547
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what they do it too, because

548
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Speaker 1: I think it's could be a really good incubator for

549
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Speaker 1: a quarterback.

550
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Speaker 5: You know, I've gone to a lot of forty nine

551
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 5: er practices over the years, and it's like they've lost

552
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 5: a lot of coaches now and now Adam and you

553
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 5: never shaw a picture of John Lynch the last seven

554
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Speaker 5: years without Adam staying right next to him.

555
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Speaker 4: Kyle just lost a bunch of other guys again this year.

556
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Speaker 5: He's still trying to find a defensive Cordater just dots

557
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 5: on their situation.

558
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Speaker 4: You know, Steve Wilkes, I think I was not I

559
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Speaker 4: think he was gone winter.

560
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Speaker 1: I think he was, Like I had so I had

561
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Speaker 1: somebody text me who's worked for Kyle at the end

562
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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, Like, I don't know, it was

563
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Speaker 1: like maybe three minutes after this texting me. Wilkes is

564
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: fired after the timeout the time out.

565
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Speaker 4: Where have you ever seen an offensive coach do that

566
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Speaker 4: to a defense coach?

567
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Speaker 5: He's the head coach offensive coordinator, and he calls the

568
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Speaker 5: time out for the defensive coach, not because they were

569
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Speaker 5: running out of time or whatever, because he hated the look.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was funky stuff where it was like

571
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Speaker 1: I hadn't gone back and looked at it, but somebody said,

572
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: like zero blitz with the corners playing seven yards off

573
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Speaker 1: the line on third and five was like stuff like

574
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Speaker 1: that where it was just like and I think I

575
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Speaker 1: think it's reflective of like it's reflective of like Kyle's

576
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Speaker 1: frustration where the defense were, like the numbers look good,

577
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Speaker 1: but you and I both know they they underachieved on

578
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Speaker 1: defense this year. So there's that and the amount they've

579
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Speaker 1: got invested in guys like Nick Bosa and Eric Armstead

580
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Speaker 1: and and Fred Warner obviously in Travarious Ward. So it's

581
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Speaker 1: that it's not getting the most of those guys. It's

582
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Speaker 1: also paying Hardgrave a lot of money. Yeah, And I

583
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Speaker 1: think it's I think the other thing is like it's

584
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Speaker 1: like you know, you you.

585
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Speaker 4: Have, like it's just.

586
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Speaker 1: You have like a system that's brought so many guys

587
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Speaker 1: up from the grassroots level and like Sala was one

588
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 1: of theirs, and Demiko is one of theirs, and then

589
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Speaker 1: you look on offense, and you know, Mike McDaniel is

590
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Speaker 1: there's no guy who's spent more time with Kyle Shanahan

591
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Speaker 1: over the last you know, twenty years than Mike McDaniel has.

592
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Speaker 4: And underneath him was Mike Lafleur, and even Kubiak came in.

593
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Speaker 4: He was babysitting Kubiak twenty years ago.

594
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Speaker 1: So many so I thought the wilks Hire was interesting

595
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Speaker 1: when it happened because it was outside of Kyle's comfort zone.

596
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Speaker 4: And you do wonder to some degree, was like, was

597
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Speaker 4: Kyle never going to get there with Steve wilks Why not?

598
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Speaker 4: I mean, like, and I just think that might have

599
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Speaker 4: been part of it.

600
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Speaker 5: One guy got there with pretty quickly as the quarterback.

601
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 5: And I know a lot of people have talked about this,

602
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 5: the way the Chiefs talked about.

603
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: Brock right after the game.

604
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Speaker 5: He told Schrager that he tracked down his number and

605
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 5: reached out to him, and he spoke about him when

606
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 5: I had him on. You think he kind of gets

607
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 5: a raw deal. Everyone just wants to talk about it.

608
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 5: He's like one of the most incredible stories.

609
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Speaker 1: Let me let me let me ask this, Sean, would

610
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Speaker 1: we be talking differently about him if he was the

611
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Speaker 1: twentieth pick in.

612
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Speaker 5: The draft, if Trey Lance had done what he was doing,

613
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Speaker 5: we'd be talking about him like one of the great

614
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 5: prospects and hits of all time. So we're watching the

615
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Speaker 5: Super Bowl thing the other night, me and my girlfriend,

616
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Speaker 5: and she was like, you know, going through Tom Brady's start.

617
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Speaker 4: She's like, Oh, it's kind of like Parties a late

618
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: round pick. I'm like, well, the difference, Maria is he

619
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Speaker 4: won the super Bowl. But then I started thinking, like,

620
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Speaker 4: there actually are some similarities there. I'm trying to find

621
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Speaker 4: the quote, but like, yeah, there are there are.

622
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Speaker 5: He just didn't win. Now he if he had won

623
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Speaker 5: the super Bowl, that changed his life.

624
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Speaker 4: So I mean.

625
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Speaker 1: I had you know, I had a I had a

626
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: great conversation with Brock over the summer, and I was like,

627
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: what struck me about him was that he wasn't sore

628
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: about falling in the draft like Brady was sore about

629
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: fallowing in the draft. Rogers was sore about falling the

630
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: draft like PERTY was like, no, I understood it. And

631
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: then he was like, and I fixed all these different

632
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: things as a result of it. So like I actually

633
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: wound up way better for having gone through that. And

634
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: he just had such a mature attitude about it. He's

635
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: a serious cat. Yeah, And I so a couple of

636
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: other things, like I can just tell you anecdotally, Like

637
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: you know, so during my training camp trip, I was

638
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: with you know, an old friend of Kyle's, and he said,

639
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: you understand, Kyle loves Brock, right, And it's two.

640
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: Years ago over this, this was his summer.

641
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: You understand Kyle loves Brock right, And I'm like, oh, hey,

642
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: I no, no, no, he loves Brock. So what do you mean,

643
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: he goes, I can tell by the way he's calling

644
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: plays for him how much he thinks of him.

645
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: It is totally different than it was, and so, you.

646
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Know, like whatever it was a few days later, I'm

647
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: at the Niners and I asked Kyle about it. I said, like,

648
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: so one of your friends told me this, and he

649
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: like smiles to us. Absolutely, and he was so open

650
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: about it, you know what I mean, Like that he

651
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: was calling plays differently for Brock than he had for

652
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks he had before in San Francisco. So I

653
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: think that there's that, And then I would just say

654
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: the same thing. I know, Schreger had the thing after

655
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Speaker 1: the game. I had spags in the locker room and unsolicited,

656
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Speaker 1: he was like, brock Party is really good.

657
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Speaker 4: We had to adjust what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: And he said, like they were mixing coverages a lot

659
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Speaker 1: early in the game, and he said, Brock was so

660
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Speaker 1: good at iding what we were doing and he was

661
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: ripping our zones apart. He's like, that's why we went man.

662
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: He's like, because we could not handle brock Party. And

663
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Speaker 1: it sounds weird saying that because he's seen as the

664
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Speaker 1: game innager and everything else. But it's like the reason

665
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Speaker 1: we changed what we were doing from a coverage standpoint is.

666
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: Because brock Party forced us to.

667
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Speaker 1: And that's for people who don't know, that's a pretty

668
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: high compliment for a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: When you look at these teams at lose super Bowls,

670
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: like the Chiefs got their ass kicked by Tampa, but

671
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Speaker 5: it was understandable. The two tackles were out and then

672
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Speaker 5: they come back and they want a couple cents. Brady

673
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 5: lost some, then come back and win them forty nine ers.

674
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Speaker 5: Now they got two super Bowls. They had to lead

675
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Speaker 5: in both of them against a couple legends, and it's like,

676
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Speaker 5: how many more times.

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Speaker 4: Are you gonna get this opportunity? Yeah, I mean they're

678
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: so talented, but there's a there's also like a lions

679
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: are coming. They didn't lose any.

680
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Speaker 1: And it's and it's like, so it's interesting, like the

681
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: way the models are so different, Like the model that

682
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the Niners in is diametrically opposed to the Chiefs, where

683
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs have all their money spent on the quarterback.

684
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Speaker 1: The Niners tried it backfire right, face right, So they

685
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Speaker 1: have all their money spent on the quarterback, and then

686
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Speaker 1: like you look at the rest of the roster, and

687
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: their defense is literate, guys on rookie contracts, really really good,

688
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Speaker 1: like and Brett Beach has done a great job stocking

689
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: that roster, you know, putting Creed Humphrey and Tray Smith

690
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: And so the Chiefs has done a really nice job.

692
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Speaker 1: But if you look at it, it's like, all right, like,

693
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Speaker 1: what's sustaining this is the quarterback. The Niners is obviously

694
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Speaker 1: the opposite of that, where it's like, all right, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be so loaded around the quarterback, and I'm

696
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the ten year, fifteen year shelf life

697
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Speaker 1: that building around the quarterback does so can Brock elevate

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Speaker 1: into becoming that kind of guy where if you pay

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Speaker 1: him fifty to fifty five sixty whatever the dollar amount

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Speaker 1: is a year from now, can you build around him

701
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Speaker 1: with that constraint? And that's what's hard about it. But

702
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Speaker 1: the Niners, it's I mean, look like they have a

703
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Speaker 1: lot of players that are really expensive. And I thought

704
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Speaker 1: this was the most incredible thing. So I do every

705
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Speaker 1: year I do this breakdown of the rosters, right, and

706
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Speaker 1: I do highest cap number, last five first round picks,

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Speaker 1: how they got their quarterback? I do every year with

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Speaker 1: the final four teams.

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Speaker 4: Right. You know what the Niners highest cap number was

710
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Speaker 4: last year? Probably Trent Williams. Yeah, you know what the

711
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Speaker 4: number was, I would guess in the low twenties, twelve

712
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Speaker 4: and a half. Yeah, what does that tell you? Well, brog,

713
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Speaker 4: we're under the show a long time ago. Genius.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they push on, but they're pushing up back

715
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Speaker 1: and eventually the bill's gonna come doing.

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Speaker 4: They stilted with that. Yeah, I mean, so the highatt

717
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Speaker 4: so they had I looked at hard million dollars in

718
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Speaker 4: his cap numbers six three.

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Speaker 1: They had nine players making fifteen million dollars a year

720
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Speaker 1: or more on their roster and no one.

721
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Speaker 4: With a cap number over twelve and a half. That's crazy.

722
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Speaker 1: So like what that tells you is eventually that's going

723
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Speaker 1: to come due. And so I think that's where the

724
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Speaker 1: clock is ticking. And then I think the question becomes,

725
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Speaker 1: do you ride it out with this group and then

726
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: hit like a hard reset in two or three years

727
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: or do you gradually start to work guys off the

728
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Speaker 1: roster and do it that way? The chiefs right, like, so,

729
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: the Rams hit the hard reset this year. Niners aren't

730
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Speaker 1: going to do a hard reseite and so the Rams

731
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: hit a hard reset. They made the playoffs, right like so,

732
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Speaker 1: but the Rams did were able to do it because

733
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Speaker 1: they hit on Puka Nakuha and Kobe Turner and Byron

734
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Speaker 1: Young and like they were able to they were able

735
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Speaker 1: to get a lot of like affordable talent on the

736
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Speaker 1: roster even though they were carrying I think was seventy

737
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Speaker 1: five million dollars in dead month.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy, which is like a I mean, a real

739
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Speaker 4: credit to the RAM program.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the Niners are one of the lowest

741
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Speaker 5: at seven with dead money, and five of that was

742
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 5: Trey Lance, right right, So you look at this like

743
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks, t Higgins and Ayuk are

744
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: two guys that you know once franchise the other essentially

745
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: is yeah, but it's like, am I those teams.

746
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Speaker 4: Aren't going to trade the guy for nothing?

747
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 5: But it's like when I trade picked twenty when I

748
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Speaker 5: came to draft a guy at a cheap number, Like,

749
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Speaker 5: are they you think one of those guys to get

750
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Speaker 5: traded to me?

751
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Speaker 1: I think I uke is makes sense just because to

752
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Speaker 1: get traded yeah, because if like to me, it's like

753
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: sort of similar to to Forrest Buckner, right like, So

754
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: the Niners made the decision a couple of years ago,

755
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: we can't afford to both there at Armstead and to

756
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner. It's going to be easier to resign Armstead,

757
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: so we'll reach cheaper too. Yeah, he's cheaper, and he's

758
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: like a few million dollars a year cheaper, and we

759
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: hate to and they hated letting go.

760
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: I know they loved him.

761
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Speaker 1: They love buck like right like, but they made the

762
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: decision we just can't afford to have both. And if

763
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Speaker 1: you look at the roster, like the really expensive guys

764
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Speaker 1: in that roster right, so you can go down the lawe.

765
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Bosa obviously, Fred Warner, Eric Armstead, Javon Hargrave, Jervarius.

766
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Speaker 4: War Deebo Kittle. I mean you got Deebo Kittle.

767
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Speaker 1: So I think what you have to do is you

768
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: have to look for the surplus. Like the surplus was

769
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: the interior defensive line a couple of years ago, right

770
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: when they trade bucks. So where's there a shirt plus

771
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: right now? Receiver and a skill position.

772
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Speaker 5: Here's the here's the thing, though, you make that trade

773
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: like Veats traded Tyreek and then he got McDuffie and

774
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: karlovskis right away with you know, with that pick, you

775
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 5: got McDuffie. The Niners made that trade. Tristan Worf sitting

776
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 5: right there. They trade back and they get kin loss.

777
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: So yeah, you could make the trade in the vite.

778
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Speaker 5: You like about that they got They got eighteenth pick

779
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 5: for auk That sounds sweet. And then you gotta make

780
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: They traded a d Brown for pick seventeen and they

781
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: took the dude from Arkansas. But if they take justin Jefferson,

782
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Speaker 5: no one's talking about it. So when you make the

783
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Speaker 5: right the pressure on that pick then double Well, the pressures.

784
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: On them to make the picks anyway, even if they

785
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Speaker 1: do the best in the fourth Yeah, and even if

786
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Speaker 1: you even if you stick to like so even if

787
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Speaker 1: you're you know, like even if you decide we're sticking

788
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: with the core and we're pushing it for yours, you're

789
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to like have a lot of like affordable

790
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: chief talents to the draft.

791
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: And that's that's where it's gonna come from.

792
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: And that's again, like that's where the Rams have done

793
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: great work too in the middle rounds. And like so

794
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: it's again Kobe Turner, It's it's Byron Young, It's Puka Nakua,

795
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, Steve Avila. It's like going and getting

796
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna play important roles for you where

797
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: you're spending eight hundred grand instead of seven million or parties.

798
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you think it's crazy that like coach reads here,

799
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 5: but McVeigh, shanahan, McCarthy sala like in five more years

800
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 5: or half the coaches is not going to show up

801
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: to this And why do you think that is?

802
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like they do feel like they

803
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: get more done at home. I also think you know

804
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Speaker 1: what honestly gossip.

805
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

806
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I think it's also like so I miss like when

807
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: this was a little bit more toned down.

808
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: I do think all of this like look around right,

809
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 4: like gotten kind of crazy. All the radio wrote the common.

810
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of this, Like I just think it's like

811
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Speaker 1: I think part of it is like football people pushing back,

812
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: like I don't need to be a part of that Dog.

813
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 4: And Pony show.

814
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: If this was just football people, I think they would go.

815
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: But it's just it's there's so much of it. It's like,

816
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: why do I want to go there where I'm gonna

817
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: have to do fucking sorry seven.

818
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: Not we fucking say whatever I want? Okay, cool? Cool? Uh?

819
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: When I have to spend seven or eight hours doing content, right,

820
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: whether it's a press conference or sitting in a podcast

821
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: or it's sitting on like, why do I want it?

822
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: Why to promote the league? No, I'm going to stay home.

823
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: That's why I think, like the Marvin Harrison decision is

824
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: so interesting. What was the finale?

825
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 5: Because I saw some different reports, so showing up, he's

826
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: gonna be here, okay's coming, but.

827
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Speaker 4: He's not doing anything. He's not even meeting with you.

828
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Speaker 1: He'll help meet he'll meet with teams, he'll meet with

829
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Speaker 1: the media. He's not gonna do any of the physical testing.

830
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: And my understanding is he's not gonna do it as

831
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Speaker 1: pro day.

832
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Speaker 4: Either, and he's gonna stand on it.

833
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's he's just gonna he's he's why do

834
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: I have to run a forty?

835
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: Why do I have to run a three con drill?

836
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: Why do I have to?

837
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: And like you think about it, and it's like, well, yeah,

838
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: like he doesn't need to, like the only thing he

839
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: can really do is hurt himself, right, Like, so, I mean,

840
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: is he a lockdowugh to be the I think I

841
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: know some people like neighbors, some people like a dune saying,

842
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: both those guys, I think it'll be top ten in

843
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: a year.

844
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Speaker 4: I think both those guys are really good.

845
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I I do think like Marv is Marv is a

846
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: little different.

847
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marv is a little different, but he's not He's

848
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: not like physically Julio, but his character is his character

849
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: is excellent.

850
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: And I think he actually like so the Ohio State

851
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: people would tell you he can run like four threes,

852
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: which if you watch he's a long strider. He's kind

853
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: of like he's got that, Like, I'm not comparing dad, No,

854
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the cop was. So the funny thing about him is

855
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: and I remember I think it was Brian Hartline telling

856
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: me this, how if you look at his body, he's

857
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: very low cut, so he has like a really long torso,

858
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: so his legs are like the size of his dad's.

859
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: So he can move like his dad does. Dad did

860
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: because he's like he does have a lower center of gravity,

861
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: but he's let's long torso, so he's like six three

862
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: six four. Yeah, so he's got this combination of the

863
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: movement his dad had with size his dad didn't have.

864
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I I think he's gonna be

865
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: excellent anyway.

866
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: So the decision most people do, I'm not, Yeah, the decision.

867
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: I think the decision he's making is smart because it's

868
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: all right.

869
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: Like so you know, I'll never forget this.

870
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: Like so, my my first year covering the league, my

871
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: first full year, I covered the Patriots and O five,

872
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I jumped on the beat at the beginning of the

873
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: regular season. So my first spring was oh six, the

874
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: Patriots drafted this offensive tackle out of like Oklahoma State, right,

875
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: and you know about Dante Scarnakia.

876
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: What my uncle's roommate back in Taft.

877
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, he's he's an MF. First, I have

878
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: a nephew named after great great guy. But he's tough

879
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: as all hell, old school and so I remember like this,

880
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: We were in the fieldhouse in five Uxborough and I

881
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: remember this tackle he drafted, like going over to the corner,

882
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: spending the second half of practice just puking at Scots.

883
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: Out rights like five to seven.

884
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we talked to We talked to the kid

885
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: after and I remember him saying like, oh, yeah, like

886
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: I was, I'm not in football shape.

887
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: Well what do you mean?

888
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: Like, well, I've been training for a track meet for

889
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: the last for I was trained for a track meet

890
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: for three months, then I went on a banquet tour.

891
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: And what Marvin is, basically Marvin's bet is the most

892
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: beneficial thing to me ready is Stay is training for football.

893
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: And so he's working with the Ohio State strength coaches

894
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: and he's getting he's getting ready for his rookie year.

895
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: So when he gets out there for rookie mini camp,

896
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: you don't got to get him back in shape.

897
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 4: He's ready to roll.

898
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: And so when when he jumps in with the Vets

899
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: at OTAs you want to bet that he's going to

900
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: be on the first team like that because he's ready

901
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: to go. So not a lot of guys have the

902
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: leverage to do that, but he does. And he's prioritizing

903
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: his rookie year over where he's going to get picked

904
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: because where he's gonna get picked there isn't a lot

905
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: of variants there. And so I do wonder if, like

906
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: we see more and more of this, and because they

907
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: are with the top guys for sure, yeah, the top

908
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: guy like now, not many people have levers to do it.

909
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: But Caleb's not throwing right well, So that was the

910
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: other thing I was gonna bring up. Look at the quarterbacks.

911
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: So there there's news out there that there are three

912
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are throwing and three quarterbacks than are. I'll

913
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: give you the names, Okay, Caleb Williams, J. J. McCarthy,

914
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: jayde and Daniels, Michael Pennix, Bow Knicks, and Drake May.

915
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: Which three do you think aren't throwing? Are not? Yeah?

916
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: Well Caleb's not.

917
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: I would say I know Nix and Penicks because I

918
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 5: saw the headline.

919
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 4: Are so May and Jayden and Daniels not throwing? How'd

920
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: you get there? Well, most people think they're the top

921
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: three guys.

922
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the top three guys, the top of the

923
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: top three guys have more to lose by throwing the

924
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: next three guys have. Probably I think that's a little

925
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: overrated though, I mean, you know what I'm saying. I

926
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: know and I do think tell them that, But but

927
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I do think that is an element of I mean,

928
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: these have always been business decisions.

929
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 5: Jamie working out, Like if he's fast, he should run.

930
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: I saw that with Lamar Jackson. Fast guy's run and

931
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: if Lamar runs a four to three, he doesn't go

932
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 5: thirty two, No change.

933
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: It was Lamar.

934
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: I think with Lamar was a little different. Lamar. You

935
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: know what I don't want to be seen is that

936
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 4: Like but you know what I mean, you put that number.

937
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: Coaches are like cooly, I don't know what JA run

938
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: four four?

939
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think, like what i'd heard from teams

940
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: was he was in the four four it's good, which

941
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, and maybe maybe he should and maybe

942
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: he should run an LSU. Maybe he shouldn't run here,

943
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: maybe you should run an LSU. I just think, like

944
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: all these guys, and again, like I'm not arguing what's

945
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: right for each individual guy.

946
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: What I do think is like.

947
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Inarguable, is that these guys increasingly are approaching these things

948
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: as businesses as they should. And it's different now, I think,

949
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: because these guys are able to make business decisions when

950
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: they're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. So it's not like

951
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: they get draft dropped into the draft process in januine

952
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's like, oh my god,

953
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: what do I do? You know what I mean, They've

954
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: been through, they they've had they've had to make business

955
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: decisions already, and because of that, they're probably viewing their

956
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: career is a commodity more than guys five or ten

957
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: years ago or you know, and like you protect that

958
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: commodity and how do you protect that commodity best?

959
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, like.

960
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look if I'm trying to protect that commodity,

961
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at the cost benefit analysis of running

962
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: a forty, or of doing a three cone drill, or

963
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: of getting on the bench or And for some guys,

964
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: the thing that makes the most sense is to go

965
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: and do those things.

966
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: For other guys, it isn't how what what's Marvin's floor five?

967
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: And the draft?

968
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say seven or eight, just because quarterbacks

969
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: and some other pressions. Maybe an offensive line, you know,

970
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 5: there's another position could push him down.

971
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: And if a wide receiver goes above it.

972
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, but if he were to if you were

973
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: to slip on the track here right, Oh, here's a

974
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: slip on the forty and like all of a sudden,

975
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: he busts like runs four or five or something.

976
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: Oh well, what now?

977
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: And then he get and then and then he's got

978
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: to spend the next three weeks training for his pro

979
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: day because he's got to do.

980
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: It over again. Hey, honestly, doesn't bother me when those

981
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: guys make the sea.

982
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just better like and he's and he's

983
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: setting himself up for his rookie year, which I think

984
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: if you are the Cardinals at four, the Chargers at five,

985
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: whoever's gonna take him, you're ecstatic he's doing that for sure.

986
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: That means you're gonna be able to freaking hit the

987
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: ground running with the guy.

988
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 5: To get two more things out. I don't want to

989
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: keep you forever because you're a house state guy. You

990
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 5: know the Michigan program. Well, and let's talk about Harball yep.

991
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: You know One of his great advantages is gonna he's

992
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 5: got eighteen fucking guys here, which I thought that LSU

993
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: team is one of the greatest teams I've ever seen,

994
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: and they were sexier because they scored. They had sixteen

995
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 5: with Burrow yep, so eighteen sets a record. His advantage

996
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 5: for these next couple of years of knowing the raft

997
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: is gonna be massive.

998
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: Well, it's not just it's not just the guys he had,

999
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: it's also guys. He recruited guys the entire country.

1000
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the stories of Pete Carroll and

1001
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: you look at like the first three years Pete Carroll

1002
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: was was in Seattle was unbuild the believle I mean,

1003
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: like you know, you hear the Richard Sherman story where

1004
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: he recruited him out of Compton at a long beach Polly, right,

1005
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: I think I think it was or.

1006
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if you went to he's from Compton,

1007
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: I don't know, so either.

1008
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: Way, like they but Pete Carroll like knew the kid's

1009
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: background back and forth, so he gets him in the

1010
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: fifth round, you know, like.

1011
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 4: He and they both had mutual hatred.

1012
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean, if you remember, like Taylor Mays was coming

1013
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: out that first year, he drafted Earl Thomas in front

1014
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: of him. Why because he knows, he knows, and he

1015
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: coached against Earl. Maybe he didn't coach against Earl Thomas,

1016
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: that was probably too far back. But but but but

1017
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure he crossed paths with him at some point,

1018
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: you know.

1019
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: And so yeah, like that institute he played against him

1020
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: in the Pac twelve.

1021
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that, all that institutional knowledge was really freaking valuable.

1022
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: Like I think Jim Harbaugh had that in San Francisco

1023
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: too to some you know, like some of the guys

1024
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: they drafted there. So the combination of Jim Harbor and

1025
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: then Joe Orts. So I don't know how well you

1026
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: know Joe, but I just met him today. Yeah, so

1027
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: like him, he is phenomenal, like kind of like old

1028
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: school scout, like a scout scout, you know, how.

1029
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: Often are the Ravens. Guy's not good.

1030
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna he's gonna mesh so well

1031
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: because he he worked with John, He built a relationship

1032
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: with Jim going on school calls there.

1033
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: So I think the Chargers.

1034
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, like I think Greg Roman hit the

1035
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: nail on the head where he said something like it

1036
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: was something along the lines of, like, can you imagine

1037
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert with a great running game, And imagine if

1038
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's in second and five and third and two constantly.

1039
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: I know they got cap issues, but could you see

1040
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: them sniffing around Jacobs or Saquon Barkley's or they're not

1041
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: gonna pay.

1042
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: I don't know that'd be fun just because if you

1043
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: look at like what Jim was able to do for

1044
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Frank Gore and like that was and Frank was deep

1045
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: into his career and I think Frank was in his

1046
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: like seventh year or something like that.

1047
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 5: I actually think Jim would like Josh more than Saque. Yeah,

1048
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: Josh a little more physical, Yeah, you know blocks, Josh

1049
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 5: Jacobs would be a great oh my god.

1050
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

1051
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: So I mean I think you got to pay I mean,

1052
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: ye million. I mean Derrick Henry, that'd be fun too.

1053
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: Well if you get him cheap, Yeah, how much is

1054
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 4: someone gonna pay him?

1055
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: So, I mean that's the one thing is that there's nothing.

1056
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: This isn't a great running back draft. Like I I've

1057
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: heard some people think that Trey Benson, it's two hundred

1058
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, is gonna run real fast, So maybe

1059
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: he's won.

1060
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 4: I Korum is a good back, couldn't Jim just draft

1061
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: him in the third? Korum?

1062
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I mean Jim could draft Korm. He

1063
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: knows exactly what he's getting, like absolutely, Now. I mean,

1064
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't think Blake Koram is a breakaway guy, but

1065
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: could he be like Travis Henry for you? Probably right? So,

1066
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jim's got good options. They're and

1067
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: the great thing about it for them is they don't

1068
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: have they don't have a lot of gaping holes, you know.

1069
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 5: But are they gonna trade like a Bosa or one

1070
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: of those type guys.

1071
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 4: Maybe they do have some cap issues.

1072
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think Bosa stays and Matt Goes

1073
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: would be my guest right now. Yeah, you know, Joey's

1074
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: obviously had the injury issues, which you know, we'll see

1075
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: where that where that goes. But and he's expensive, right

1076
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: But they I mean, I I think they're in a

1077
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: really good spot where they don't have to I don't know,

1078
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: there's something on their roster they're saying, yep, we have

1079
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: to go get that right now.

1080
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 4: And that's a good place to be.

1081
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: Okay, last, but not least it's fucking nuts the Belichicks

1082
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 5: out of the league. Yeah, like it really is, I

1083
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 5: mean the dynasty thing.

1084
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a poor comment.

1085
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: Have you talked to him, you know, people that did not?

1086
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like I mean, I I think I

1087
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: think I have an idea of like where he's at

1088
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: a little bit like I I think it's more I

1089
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: think he's a little miffed, as he should be.

1090
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: How would he not be? And I think it's a

1091
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: poor commentary in the league.

1092
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: And I think it actually like pat Riley or someone

1093
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: just like you don't see job John. It's gonna sound

1094
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: so stupid, But I think there's an element of like,

1095
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: the owners want it to be fun to go to work,

1096
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: and I don't want it to be I don't. I

1097
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: don't want this to be a miserable place. And I

1098
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: think that's why Mike Vrabel got fired in Tennessee. I

1099
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: think that's why Vrabel had trouble getting Ano their job.

1100
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: And you can ask for a Bol's players if they

1101
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: liked playing for him. They all did, right, But but

1102
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: like it was a high pressure environment. It can be

1103
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: tense at times, and that this is a step that

1104
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: was the culture and it works and it's worked in

1105
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: football since the freakin'.

1106
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 4: Playoff games with Tanny Hill, and it's worked.

1107
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: In football since, it's worked in football since the laces

1108
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: first one on the ball, you know, so like and

1109
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing with Belichick's.

1110
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: Like, well, like do we really want to do that?

1111
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: And like and then you know the Atlanta specific to

1112
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: the Atlanta thing, it's like like self preservation on the

1113
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: part of some people. And I think Atlanta did great

1114
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: to get Raheem, like well, Raheem is a home run

1115
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: higher for them. But when it comes to like kind

1116
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: of like the different hands in the pot, I think

1117
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: it's sort of reflective of what's happening with some of

1118
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: these guys, which is like people protecting their own hide

1119
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: and then always been in the NFL. Yeah, And then

1120
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: and then there's like an element of there's an element

1121
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: of like, I want this to be like a fun,

1122
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: positive place to come to work. Like I don't know

1123
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: if i'd describe like San Francisco.

1124
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: That way, I would not be you know what I mean?

1125
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 5: But they win well just because Andy smiles. Ask those

1126
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 5: guys how long they work? He's a week, No, Andy.

1127
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: Randy runs probably the toughest training camp in the league.

1128
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Andy and player, I mean coaches, like, you're there a

1129
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: long time. It's not easy, right, might he might not

1130
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: be a yeller and a screamer, but it's intense, right,

1131
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: So this is not a it's not a lovey dovey set.

1132
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's what And I think that that's

1133
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: someone's gonna hire.

1134
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: I mean, that was why he gets hired.

1135
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's I honestly think that that's

1136
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: a big reason why Jim Harbaugh had trouble getting back

1137
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: in White. You know what I mean, like was because

1138
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: people looked at what happened at the end of seay

1139
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: was a.

1140
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 5: Legitimate kind of crazy Bill's Bill's like, I don't know

1141
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 5: he's I mean, was he just obsessed with picking the

1142
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 5: players too?

1143
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 4: You think was that part of it?

1144
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: I I think, well, yeah, I think part of it

1145
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: was so like Rich McKay and all those guys in Atlanta,

1146
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I think a part of it was, well, if you

1147
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: bring him in, you're gonna have to do things his way,

1148
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: and you're gonna probably have to blow up parts of

1149
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: your building and for what for two or three years?

1150
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: And I think that that's sort of what it is.

1151
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: It's like if it's do I I like Bill as

1152
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: a coach?

1153
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: Is he willing?

1154
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because I did some background so

1155
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: like a really smart TV producer I work with in

1156
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: Boston asked me in November, is just check out the

1157
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: market for Bill? Like tell me what you what you

1158
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: can find? And so I started asking around and to.

1159
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: Get Belichick on the post game in twenty twenty four.

1160
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, but I just just sort of checked out, like, hey,

1161
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: like you know, like what would his market be in January,

1162
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: like if he was free, which he wound up being free.

1163
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: And what a lot of people came back to me

1164
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: with was I could see him being like an executive

1165
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: vice president, like the Parcels in Miami, Coughlin the second

1166
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: time in Jacksonville, like that Football Cleveland, the football z

1167
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: Are role. Like could see a team hiring him? Is

1168
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: that I could see a team hiring him. It's just

1169
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: the coach. But I can't see anybody throwing him the

1170
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: keys the way he had the keys in New England.

1171
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: And that was sort of interesting because it was like

1172
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he was insistent on that in Atlanta,

1173
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: but there was a perception that that's what he would need,

1174
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: and so then it becomes Okay, well we're gonna blow

1175
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: this whole thing up and build it around Bill, And

1176
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: then is he going to be gone in two years?

1177
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: And I think that that sort of was the problem.

1178
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 5: Well, now he's a year older. I thought he should

1179
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 5: go to Amazon. I think Amazon should be all over him.

1180
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: We saw him on game day. He'd be great. Yeah,

1181
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 5: you put him without he's engaged. When he's engaged, he's

1182
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 5: really good. But also to get the all the owners

1183
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 5: watch that game beside two and it would change the

1184
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 5: perception about being this angry curmudget smart and so he's

1185
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna do that. How's he gonna do?

1186
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 5: You think he's a lot to be hired next year?

1187
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: I don't.

1188
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean I would have said I thought it'd be

1189
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: really hard for me to envision him not saame job

1190
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: offer this year, and he didn't, which is again, like

1191
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: the resume is the last five years, he can go

1192
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: very well.

1193
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: But I feel like a lot of players like they're

1194
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 5: offended by the way people are talking about Yeah.

1195
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the truth is seventy five eighty percent of

1196
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: hires don't work. So would you rather take a swing

1197
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: on a guy who's never been a head coach before,

1198
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: who might be thirty eight years old, or would you

1199
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: want to give a couple want to see what you

1200
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: could do over two years or three years with Bill

1201
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: freaking Belichick, you know. Like so I just think I

1202
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: just think that there's again, like I think there's all

1203
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: these different factors that play into it, and I think

1204
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's really again. I feel the same

1205
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: way about Rabel not having a job, Like it's really

1206
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: a poor reflection on the NFL totally.

1207
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I talked to Howie really briefly.

1208
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 5: I do think all next year, the pressure on the

1209
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: Eagles and the Cowboys, yeah, is gonna be insane. Like

1210
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 5: there's pressure on the Niners to win, but no one's

1211
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 5: getting fired.

1212
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 4: And those two coaches and so those marks one guy's

1213
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: on his last year and the other guy barely hold on.

1214
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: The way that when Bill went the way the narrative

1215
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: flipped in Philly the last six week, I mean, it's insane.

1216
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: They went from the model franchise, maybe not just in

1217
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, maybe in like one of the model franchises

1218
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: in all of sports too.

1219
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: Let's fire like our staff. I mean it looked that

1220
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna get fired. I mean, trust me.

1221
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: I I was in Philly a lot like at the

1222
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: end of Andy Reid, and it was the environment there

1223
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: at the end was a freaking insane.

1224
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: It was angry.

1225
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: It was it was And I have I gained so

1226
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: much respect for Andy watching him sit up there and

1227
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: take hit after like people like like more or less

1228
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: just asking him flat out, like are you getting fired?

1229
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean in Dallas is Dallas, and Dallas

1230
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: is like the only Dallas is the only true national team,

1231
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1232
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 4: Truly?

1233
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: Like you know, so I think yeah, I think there's

1234
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on both of those guys.

1235
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 5: I'm just get you out here on this quick one.

1236
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 5: Big like a tag in trade, Chris Jones, you have it,

1237
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 5: you know.

1238
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of Yeah, I mean you have

1239
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: a big prediction without We went without Yuke, which I

1240
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: think is a fair one to look at. You know,

1241
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: t Higgins and Brian Burns would be the two just

1242
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: because of the price tag and I think Burns so

1243
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of water under the bridge there. Why

1244
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't they trade him last year the baron I know,

1245
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: and they have they have like and so like. I

1246
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: think they were very very fair far apart. Now they'll

1247
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: have a new guy negotiating and Bran Tillis. They have

1248
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: a new general manager and Dan Moore, but Dan Morgan

1249
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: was there. So are they willing to go especially with

1250
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: the cap rising. His cap number is tag number will

1251
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: be higher. And obviously, if you're Todd France's agent, you're

1252
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: going to ask for that percentage more than you are

1253
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: already asking. Good, right, I just see it's hard for

1254
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: me to see the agreement. Now, maybe they come to

1255
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: it and maybe David Tepper puts his foot down, says

1256
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: we need some we need we need some good vibes

1257
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: here and good players, and yeah, so that'd be one.

1258
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: And then t Higgins is fascinating to me because if

1259
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: you whatever you pay t Higgins becomes the floor for

1260
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. You're already giving Joe Burrow fifty five million

1261
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: dollars a year. Let's say Tea comes in at twenty

1262
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: eight and Jamar comes in at thirty or thirty two.

1263
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: So now you're up to like, say sixty between the

1264
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: two of them. Right, So sixty plus fifty five is

1265
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen million dollars average per year on

1266
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: three guys who are all involved in the same phase

1267
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: of the game.

1268
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: Right they're all in the passing game.

1269
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: Can you do that or or do you look at

1270
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: it and say, we're gonna sign Jamar Chase, We're gonna

1271
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: tag T Higgins, We're gonna get it back, get.

1272
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: A pick back for T.

1273
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: Higgins, and maybe we're gonna draft I don't know, like

1274
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: I have to look deeper at the receiver class, but

1275
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft ad Mitchell out of Texas in the

1276
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: first in the at the end of the first round

1277
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: with a pick we get back for him.

1278
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: Or maybe you can go higher than that.

1279
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you can, you know, get a middle of the

1280
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: first round pick and then package it to go up

1281
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: and get Romadnze, you know, and then you have that

1282
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: guy under cost control, and that's the guy playing opposite Chase.

1283
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: It's an interesting dynamic because they have two guys who

1284
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: I think it's rare to have like two guys who

1285
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: legitimately could be number ones. But Jamar Chase is very

1286
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: clearly a number one, and I think if you put

1287
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: Higgins on a team where he was the top receiver,

1288
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: he would show that he could be Like.

1289
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 5: Okay, last one the two running backs, big controversy last year.

1290
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 4: They're all bitching a moaning they're not gonna get tagged.

1291
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: I mean, what are they to get paid? Yeah, I

1292
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: made this comment. I made this, like I think Jacob

1293
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 4: is better than Tack.

1294
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I have sympathy for those guys because it

1295
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: does suck, and those guys take a bigger beating than

1296
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: anybody else. But like Saquon is going into year seven,

1297
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Speaker 1: I mean I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Like feels like if you pulled the average fan, they

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Speaker 4: take like.

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Speaker 1: Your four when the Giants were when the Giants were,

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Speaker 1: when the Giant and he has a long his injury history.

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Speaker 1: When the Giants were negotiating with him last year, I

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Speaker 1: made the comment, and I you know, I'm nothing against Saquon,

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Speaker 1: but if I'm Saquon, I was like I remember saying,

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Speaker 1: like I would take that right up to July fifteenth

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Speaker 1: and then just get them to make the best offer

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Speaker 1: and freaking take it, because you do not know at

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Speaker 1: that position anything can go at any time. And I

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Speaker 1: questioned how marketable he was going to be going into

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Speaker 1: year seven with the injury history, with the wear and tear.

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Speaker 1: If he waited a year now, we'll see like he

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Speaker 1: made it out relatively healthy. But he's been so nicked

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Speaker 1: up over the course of his career, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I mean Josh Jacobs dealing with that a little less now,

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Speaker 1: but he's what.

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Speaker 4: He's banged up.

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Speaker 1: But he's going into year six, I think because he

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Speaker 1: was nineteen. He's a nineteenth nineteen pick and he's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of tread because he they use him a lot.

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Speaker 1: So it sucks for running backs. But the problem isn't

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Speaker 1: that those guys are so good. It's that it's just

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Speaker 1: too easy to find a good one. And like maybe

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Speaker 1: you can't find a great one, like you can't find

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry out there, but you can get good enough

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Speaker 1: at the position in the third or fourth or fifth round,

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Speaker 1: and those guys can be productive right away. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, look at the Chiefs. The Chiefs take one

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Speaker 1: in the first round, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire.

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Speaker 4: Back up to the seventh rounder. He's back up to

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Speaker 4: the seventh rounder.

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Speaker 5: So are those guys getting one year ten million? Are

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Speaker 5: they getting like a multiple year contract? I mean, or

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Speaker 5: one of those fake ones.

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Speaker 4: I can't, Yeah, I mean I can't.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to see where they're going to

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Speaker 1: get like guarantees into again because you have to look

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Speaker 1: at it, like if he's getting a guarantee into year

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Speaker 1: two at like ten million year, well like now with

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Speaker 1: sake one, you're going into.

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Speaker 4: His eighth year. They got a year, they got three

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Speaker 4: for thirty with like ten guaranteed written.

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Speaker 1: A mean, it's like Saquon Barkley came into the league

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Speaker 1: three years after Todd Gurley. How long has Tod Gurley

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Speaker 1: been gone?

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Speaker 4: A long time? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, so I just again, like I love Saquan as

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Speaker 1: a player, and by all accounts, he's a great dude

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Speaker 1: and all that, and it sucks, but this is why,

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Speaker 1: like this is why if you go to like the

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Speaker 1: recruiting rankings, right, like the high school recruiting rankings, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you take a hard look and you see why

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Speaker 1: are there thirty five receivers in the top two hundreds,

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Speaker 1: Because that's where the best athletes are playing, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's a part. There's a much

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Speaker 1: longer conversation we can to have about football and where

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Speaker 1: it's gone and everything else. Like you know, Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: would he be a running back? Would he have.

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Speaker 4: Been Marshall Fox twenty five years ago? Maybe? Right? Like Debo? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean there's all of these.

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Speaker 1: I think there are all these decisions that are being

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Speaker 1: made earlier in life with these guys where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you don't have the same athletes playing

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Speaker 1: those positions too. I mean, corner is a fascinating one

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Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if you've noticed this, but

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Speaker 1: how many kids of players wind up playing corner?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: So tell them it's it's the grandson of Darryl Stanley.

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Speaker 1: Derek Stanley plays for the Texans. Sante Samuel Junior, Patzer Tan,

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Speaker 1: all these guys. Yeah, I mean Joey Porter certain why

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Speaker 1: well why is that?

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Speaker 4: Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's because they look at it and they say,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, look how many kids there are that

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Speaker 1: are six one one ninety that are playing receiver, that

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Speaker 1: are freaking incredible athletes, but there are only.

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Speaker 4: Like four of those playing corner, and those pay a

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Speaker 4: premium to go play corner.

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Speaker 1: So these sorts of we we talked about the business

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Speaker 1: decisions like these are the business decisions. And if you

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Speaker 1: got a kid who's that level of athlete, do you

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Speaker 1: does he play running back anymore? Yeah, it's not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the age of Eric Dickerson anymo. It's done well, Breer.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, kept you a long time and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the combine. Thank you. I'll try I'll try it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here through Sunday, so we'll see. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what I look like.

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Speaker 4: Long haul baby. Yeah, the volume