Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture.
Speaker 1: Lost culture is just long. My girl sneakily did this
Speaker 1: thing right before the countdown where she made me laugh.
Speaker 1: I have a habit. I have a habit of making
Speaker 1: the world very happy. Can I congratulate you on a milestone?
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what it could possibly be. Well,
Speaker 1: you wrapped Wicked? The film?
Speaker 2: Oh, I rapped Wicked. The film's up?
Speaker 1: The film? Oh my god, which one is better? I
Speaker 1: think I think.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a third installment that's very rosen Crant
Speaker 2: and Guild and Stern are dead. Oh it's it's Fanny
Speaker 2: and Chenshin or kind of you know, navigating Oz. I
Speaker 2: kind of like navigating Oz. When Dorothy lands, I think
Speaker 2: that could be really slagh And they're trying to like
Speaker 2: get to Dorothy because like she's the new Queen Bee.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, the new girl on the block.
Speaker 2: The new girl on the block. I mean, Glinda is
Speaker 2: still always Queen Bee, especially in the Dorothy was sort
Speaker 2: of our story. But when Dorothy shows up, they're like,
Speaker 2: we have to find her. She killed the Wicked, but
Speaker 2: to the East, we must slay.
Speaker 1: So your character's name is Fanny. I always want to
Speaker 1: pronounce it fan because of the way it's spelt. But
Speaker 1: your character's name is Fanny, and Glenna's other bff is
Speaker 1: named Shenshen Shenshen. So you find out that you guys
Speaker 1: are the ones that wrote Who's That Girl?
Speaker 2: La La La La La.
Speaker 1: La, La La La, one of the actual best melodies
Speaker 1: of all times. Actually we're really close to number twenty six.
Speaker 1: Who's That.
Speaker 2: La is one of the best melodies of all time.
Speaker 1: Think about it. It has everything, it has dustans, it
Speaker 1: has la la la.
Speaker 2: And it kind of just like stretches on longer than
Speaker 2: you think it will, and then you're very happy that it's.
Speaker 2: It clocks in how it.
Speaker 1: Does, like I dare you the next time you hear it,
Speaker 1: and it's obviously always playing to not absolutely get up
Speaker 1: and spin around in your joyous freak bag.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is always playing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of you. I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: you and your role of Fani.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, dear.
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to change hearts and minds
Speaker 1: with this one. Well, the thing is, what was what.
Speaker 2: We're l Frank Baum and baum Baum. What we're El
Speaker 2: Frank Brom not Frank Oz and of Muppet fame, what
Speaker 2: we're El Frank Bomb and Gregory maguarre a. Thinking with
Speaker 2: some of these names, I mean Winky Country. Winky, I guess,
Speaker 2: means like cock like Wiener in the UK, Pepville, Peepeville.
Speaker 2: And then Fanny means pussy.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I know exactly what you are. You're
Speaker 1: a fanny boy.
Speaker 2: My name is literally pussy. And then Biero Piero comes
Speaker 2: from Wiener Country like Cockbill.
Speaker 1: Well, that one's for the real fans out there that
Speaker 1: have the real fan service. How are you? How excited
Speaker 1: are you about potentially really young kids seeing this and
Speaker 1: writing sexy fan fiction about Fierro and Fanny.
Speaker 2: I think unless they cut it, there's a moment, Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you can spoil
Speaker 1: a girl that we are months out from this. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel okay saying that's famous line. I feel oka
Speaker 1: saying this, that's my catchphrase on this show.
Speaker 2: There is a fun, little comedy moment between Fierro and
Speaker 2: Fanny that I hope and pray they keep.
Speaker 1: Would you call it the like if there's like an
Speaker 1: A story and B story story, is this like the
Speaker 1: this and.
Speaker 2: This is sad this story it goes to the Canadian alphabet.
Speaker 2: That's how bottom wrong. This is bottom wrong Canada. Sorry,
Speaker 2: Fanny story bottom.
Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to see the film. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited that you've how long was the filming.
Speaker 2: Okay, total, it was like one hundred and fifty days,
Speaker 2: two movies, and it's been a full calendar year of
Speaker 2: wow with the strike built in anyway, thank you, dear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're not really here to talk about films
Speaker 1: that much now today or even upcoming films, because we
Speaker 1: did that last week. Today is Tuesday, January sixteenth. We
Speaker 1: are sitting in the afterglow of the Emmy Awards, the
Speaker 1: Primetime Emmy Awards, and not just that, but also the
Speaker 1: fleet of award shows that have been sort of hitting
Speaker 1: us back to back to back, and you're gonna always
Speaker 1: get it again and again and again, critics Choice, Golden Globes, Emmys, boom,
Speaker 1: boom boom, and I think I have the reaction that
Speaker 1: we I mean, the one I wanted to have was
Speaker 1: that Io would sweep and now ioha swept and we're
Speaker 1: proud of you. We are proud of you girl. Not
Speaker 1: only are you winning for great performance, but you're also
Speaker 1: turning the looks. You're being charming in every speech, every moment,
Speaker 1: very winning. We feel the industry has said it's you, girl,
Speaker 1: and we couldn't be prouder.
Speaker 2: Go back and listen to and we're not making this
Speaker 2: about us, obviously, but listen to the Omerosa Fan Club Club.
Speaker 2: An omrosa fan club member now has Critics Choice Emmy
Speaker 2: and Golden Globe and not for nothing, SAG's coming out
Speaker 2: SAG nominee as well, and that'll also have probably happen
Speaker 2: for her. This is the thing is, it's like it's
Speaker 2: one of those moments.
Speaker 1: And we've said before obviously we're happy because it's our friend,
Speaker 1: but it is one of those results again this year
Speaker 1: where it feels like they have chosen three shows, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's like Beef, Succession, and
Speaker 1: the Bear and they're all incredible, but it has been
Speaker 1: a lot of the same names again and again, which
Speaker 1: is just all the award shows being packed into one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's it's just so weird to
Speaker 1: see Succession like still awarded in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 1: but it feels like, well, yeah, if that's when it
Speaker 1: was eligible, it should take everything. It just felt so
Speaker 1: long ago, a.
Speaker 2: Little victory laugh for succession.
Speaker 1: But I think that.
Speaker 2: No surprises last.
Speaker 1: Night for no, especially not at being the third award
Speaker 1: show in a row. I guess what I was surprised
Speaker 1: about was like, well, not surprised about, but like if
Speaker 1: you look at the collection of winners, you know what
Speaker 1: I will say, Like much has been said about like
Speaker 1: you know how difficult it is to get things made lately,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like the stuff we were awarding yesterday,
Speaker 1: the people were awarding yesterday, like you can look at
Speaker 1: it and really be like, you know, the industry really
Speaker 1: has There's been evolution in the past years, and it's
Speaker 1: really amazing to see. I mean, there was an extremely
Speaker 1: diverse group of winners, an extremely deserving group of and
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, passion behind let's call it
Speaker 1: passion behind certain shows because people are really excited about them,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the only non succession beef the bear winners
Speaker 2: on the acting side, where Quinta and Coolidge. Coolidge, I
Speaker 2: think those were the only two which go off and
Speaker 2: everyone else completely deserving. And I will say the biggest
Speaker 2: surprise for me of the night what Katherine Heigel being
Speaker 2: in this crazy Anatomy tribute.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about it, so I will say
Speaker 1: I did love all of those little retrospectives. I think
Speaker 1: my favorite McBeal I just love watching I just like
Speaker 1: Callista in a bathroom and it was all voiceover and
Speaker 1: she's just like looking at herself in the rin and
Speaker 1: she's like, I look good and then like her Alan
Speaker 1: McField castmates from way back come out and like dance
Speaker 1: her over to the stage and she like shimmy's over
Speaker 1: to the mic. It was kind of wordless, but then
Speaker 1: she came out and I believe she presented either Best
Speaker 1: Actor or Best Actress. It was Best Actor in a
Speaker 1: Drama because Kieran one. Congrats to you. Kieran well deserved.
Speaker 1: But that was my favorite. And then I have to
Speaker 1: say the Gray's Anatomy one did shake me. When they
Speaker 1: said at the end an Emmy winner Catherine Heigel, I
Speaker 1: was like, here we go.
Speaker 2: My theory is she and Shonda have patched things up.
Speaker 1: I don't know about she and Shonda, do you know
Speaker 1: who's in camp Team Heigel Ellen Camp Team Heigel Hegel. Ellen.
Speaker 1: Ellen has gone on records saying Catherine Heigel was ahead
Speaker 1: of her time and a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: she said then would have been well received now.
Speaker 2: Well, that Actors on Actors was really interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and I think that's when that's when Ellen
Speaker 2: said it. She was like and then they they go
Speaker 2: into their whole like thing about I don't think it's
Speaker 2: it's more Ellen Pompeo doing this, but like and this
Speaker 2: is this is beautiful Ellen Pompeo Bostonian vibes, which is
Speaker 2: just like, I mean, now everyone has an opinion and
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, she just like you were head of
Speaker 2: your time for having an opinion back then, and she's
Speaker 2: not wrong. But I really it really hit me where
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, we have come. We're twenty seasons
Speaker 2: into the show.
Speaker 1: Yep. That was another thing is it was like when
Speaker 1: they said when that show debuted, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was twenty twenty years ago, like insane. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking the other day, like
Speaker 1: do you remember when American Idol started in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and two and Paula Abdul was on the judging panel,
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh yeah, wow, Like now the
Speaker 1: kids get to know Paula Abdul, who was a pop
Speaker 1: star when I was young, like an old pop star
Speaker 1: she had been famously ten years before, right like now
Speaker 1: in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four, Like
Speaker 1: Katie Perry is like Paula Abdul for these kids, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Wow, did you have about that?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is it's like, oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: old pop star Katie Perry. It's like meanwhile, like we
Speaker 1: were in college for the California girls.
Speaker 2: But you know what, Katie and I don't quite have
Speaker 2: the working knowledge of Paula Abdul's discography to like define
Speaker 2: this analog, but Katie has will always be able to
Speaker 2: hang around on Teenage Dream.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's one
Speaker 1: of the great records. It is a time capsule for us.
Speaker 1: It will always remind us of being like young, fun
Speaker 1: and free. Those are not the words what they like,
Speaker 1: they could be. Oh yeah, Katie is Katie is a legacy.
Speaker 2: What also came out twenty years ago was mean to Girls.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, the film, Yes, I saw it a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago. I want to say that Renee rap
Speaker 2: m hmm is here to stay.
Speaker 1: And here's what I loved about Renee's performance, Like not
Speaker 1: even for a second trying to copy Rachel, which is
Speaker 1: so the move for two reasons. A speaking about getting
Speaker 1: further away in time from certain things, like the further
Speaker 1: you get away from that performance, the more you realize
Speaker 1: it is one of the great performances. I think she
Speaker 1: should go down like in history for that. The other
Speaker 1: thing is like that type of bully wouldn't work for
Speaker 1: a movie about like a gen Z group of kids,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so Renee took it
Speaker 1: entirely in a different place. And her voice is just insane, huh.
Speaker 2: I mean World Burn excellent, excellent.
Speaker 1: All I wanted was I wanted the last note in
Speaker 1: World Burn held that longer, oh, like it ends in
Speaker 1: this insane, like crazy high belt, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: it extended a little bit more like the gay person
Speaker 1: and me just wanted to hear her sing louder longer.
Speaker 2: People always want to want these girls to sing louder
Speaker 2: and longer, and we should.
Speaker 1: That feels like a real culture to me about.
Speaker 2: When the number is that, I think six culture number six.
Speaker 2: Gay people always want longer, and they should.
Speaker 1: I thought that the movie was really what I what
Speaker 1: I appreciated about it was it felt almost like a
Speaker 1: tip of the cap to us, like the people that
Speaker 1: love that original movie. It felt more of like it
Speaker 1: was like a commemoration and acknowledgment of the original movie
Speaker 1: in a way that felt really fun like and also
Speaker 1: just like its testament to its staying power, the fact
Speaker 1: that like, it feels like a lot of this movie
Speaker 1: actually stayed the same because you do have reverence for
Speaker 1: literally even the way that some of these lines were said,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like a lot of Gretchen's stuff,
Speaker 1: It's like, how do you walk It's a tough test
Speaker 1: because how do you walk the line between fans service,
Speaker 1: which ultimately the existence of these things are his purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also like wanting to create and give an opportunity
Speaker 1: to these people to be iconic in their own right.
Speaker 1: And it was interesting where I thought the movie went
Speaker 1: for you know, commemoration and throwback vibes, and where it
Speaker 1: went for interesting you know swings at like updating it
Speaker 1: and making it into a movie for you know, kids
Speaker 1: that are that age now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they had this really they, as
Speaker 2: in Tina and these directors had this really hard task
Speaker 2: in terms of modernizing it with social media stuff, right
Speaker 2: where the burn Book can kind of easily be replaced
Speaker 2: by the entire like apparatus of social media. But then
Speaker 2: they do the smart thing of just like making those
Speaker 2: things work in tandem. I don't think either thing is diminished.
Speaker 1: No, I think it was right to update it. In
Speaker 1: the script where they were like Regina's mom found it
Speaker 1: finds the burn Book. It's like a relic that they
Speaker 1: used to do. That feels right, especially like even the
Speaker 1: prop work on that book, they made it look exactly
Speaker 1: like the old book.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: I think for some reason I remember in two thousand
Speaker 1: and four seeing this and feeling like I have to
Speaker 1: remember these lines, you know what I mean? Like it
Speaker 1: was like that, like you felt like there was some
Speaker 1: sort of like we were in hallowed ground watching the
Speaker 1: movie in terms of like, yeah, cinematic relevance.
Speaker 2: I think that's what motivated me to go see it
Speaker 2: like four times in theaters when I was thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Going by myself I think two out of the four, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then going up with my sister for one of them,
Speaker 2: and then I forgot who else for another. But like
Speaker 2: it was I was like, something's happening. Yeah, like this
Speaker 2: is my favorite movie ever.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it just like defined everything about the way
Speaker 2: I was like speaking from then on, and I was
Speaker 2: the way I viewed the world. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is all like hierarchical and this is and like
Speaker 2: this is what I like. So the year this came
Speaker 2: out it launched us into high school. We were like
Speaker 2: in the eighth grade. I think, uh, going into high school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fuzzy for me, but yes, yeah yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think it just informed everything about high school. For me,
Speaker 2: it was just going into it being like, well, this
Speaker 2: is like saw high school movies, which were big at
Speaker 2: the time, didn't really apply it to anything real or
Speaker 2: grounded or lived in in my own like little world.
Speaker 2: But then like something about me and Girls Speak based
Speaker 2: on the source material of the book by Roslyn Weisman,
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, this is all like pretty
Speaker 2: well studied behavioral stuff. Oh y, that's that's what makes
Speaker 2: it work, and that's what makes it Evergreen.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is it's like certain things that
Speaker 1: were really integral to the plot of the two thousand
Speaker 1: and four film that really, you know, alter the direction
Speaker 1: that characters are going. Like in the update, you realize
Speaker 1: how much our world has changed. Like, for example, in
Speaker 1: the two thousand and four version, one of the ways
Speaker 1: they destroy Regina is they fuck with her weight, and
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty four version, the weight thing feels
Speaker 1: a little different, doesn't have as much Yeah, I realized
Speaker 1: that when like, well, for me, it felt like it
Speaker 1: actually felt even more sensitive because this is something that
Speaker 1: it feels like, I don't know, it feels like in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, we are in a more diverse version
Speaker 1: of this school, and we're in a more like even
Speaker 1: though there's like bullying at play, we are like in
Speaker 1: an environment where it feels like the world has changed.
Speaker 1: So when they're when they try to fuck with her
Speaker 1: weight in the twenty twenty four version and Renee has
Speaker 1: the line where she's like, sweatpants are all that fits
Speaker 1: me right now, it felt like darker, heavier, different and
Speaker 1: heavier now in twenty twenty four, because we know better
Speaker 1: as a culture to do this, and also like you
Speaker 1: get the sense like it hasn't really felt like they
Speaker 1: care about their weight too much. And then at the
Speaker 1: end you're like, well, this is of course something that's
Speaker 1: still going to be sensitive, even in a time of
Speaker 1: like you know, body positivity and like talking about like
Speaker 1: being at the really at the forefront of like we're
Speaker 1: an inclusive, accepting world. It's still interesting how that's still
Speaker 1: hurt in twenty twenty four as it did in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four. I don't even know if I'm making
Speaker 1: it with a different way this, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Just hurts different, like they the weight thing in two
Speaker 2: thousand and four was embedded in the culture a little
Speaker 2: bit meter than it does now, where I think there's
Speaker 2: this like really tough incongruity with like the way bodies
Speaker 2: are discussed now. But I think it's still ongoing. But
Speaker 2: it's like now in like a post Ozambic culture, it's like, well, then,
Speaker 2: I guess, and then how but how do we really
Speaker 2: feel about I guess.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is like in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: it feels like we know better than to make this
Speaker 1: an issue, and so the character saying like sweatpants are
Speaker 1: all that fits me right now, like and her realizing that,
Speaker 1: so this is what they've done, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: even more of a betrayal because it's just weird, Like
Speaker 1: I was more on the Genus side at that point
Speaker 1: than I was in two thousand and four. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense, because I was like, totally feels like this
Speaker 1: is really brutal. In twenty twenty four when we've had
Speaker 1: this conversation, especially gen Z is like very like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's like a refusal to at least like on face value,
Speaker 1: it's like a fusal to condemn each other for whatever
Speaker 1: your body size may or may not be. And so
Speaker 1: for that to happen in twenty twenty four felt like
Speaker 1: more of a betrayal and it almost like complicated it
Speaker 1: for me in terms of what side I was Ona
Speaker 1: versus the other plastics and Katie, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Totally it makes it compelling to watch, but I think
Speaker 2: on that note of being on Regina side, it does
Speaker 2: make me think, well, in character, when Regina George make
Speaker 2: the weight gain work for her, right, and that was.
Speaker 1: A part of the original that I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that update, but I was like Wow,
Speaker 1: there it feels like really interesting and different when we're
Speaker 1: talking about it now via VI. Then also the queer
Speaker 1: stuff because they made a lot of updates to the
Speaker 1: to the Jena stuff, like Janis isn't out lesbian in
Speaker 1: this movie, like and she has been since she's young,
Speaker 1: and it's part of the central conflict between her and Regina,
Speaker 1: which I think also was a pretty smart update for examptally.
Speaker 2: I think that was done well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in two thousand and four, the weaponization was like
Speaker 1: the closetedness and the thing of like she might be
Speaker 1: a lesbian, And in twenty twenty four, it feels like
Speaker 1: the weaponization is based on the fact that, like, you
Speaker 1: thought you had a safe space with me, right and
Speaker 1: now I'm hurting you based on your feelings and I'm
Speaker 1: emotionally manipulating you based on your feelings.
Speaker 2: Which felt like it's still about the closet. It's still
Speaker 2: about the closet, which I think is smart. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of cool that it opened that
Speaker 2: it was number one, because where are we on this whole?
Speaker 2: Where where are execs on this with the whole? Like,
Speaker 2: let's hide the broccoli under the cheese when it comes
Speaker 2: to a musical, like, let's never market these things as musicals,
Speaker 2: and then it I guess it works. I guess people
Speaker 2: are like snookered into like going to buy a ticket
Speaker 2: for Wonka when like there's no there's nothing in the
Speaker 2: publicity that's like it's musical. But then like people sit down,
Speaker 2: but then it gets butts in seats. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess this is working, but I don't respect it necessarily.
Speaker 1: I think what separates these two examples from everything else
Speaker 1: is IP. So Wonka is like people that we're gonna
Speaker 1: see Wonka were going to see Wonka because they love
Speaker 1: that property, or they love Timothy Shallame or whatever reason.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it's a musical like also kind
Speaker 1: of lives in the DNA of what that is. So
Speaker 1: you're buying into a certain thing. When you buy into
Speaker 1: the Wonka of it all, you know you're gonna go
Speaker 1: to like a surreal, silly place where if they sang
Speaker 1: it wouldn't feel crazy. I mean, it's like that's part
Speaker 1: of what the original Wonka was. I think with Mean
Speaker 1: Girls that IP was also gonna do well regardless, Like
Speaker 1: I never for a second thought, oh that movie might
Speaker 1: not make money. Like I was actually shocked when they
Speaker 1: were putting in on Paramount play Us. Initially I was like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you put that in theaters? That will make money?
Speaker 1: And so when they did and it made money, I
Speaker 1: wasn't surprised because Mean Girls say, very very it has
Speaker 1: a stronghold on like pop culture, like and that is
Speaker 1: pop culture.
Speaker 2: I think that in a pre Aristour Barbie world, which
Speaker 2: is maybe when Paramount was deciding on where to put this,
Speaker 2: they were like, put it on the streamer. After the
Speaker 2: Year of the Girl, Summer of the Girl thing went down,
Speaker 2: they were like, wait a minute, women love to spend
Speaker 2: money at.
Speaker 1: The theat's in so insane that they realized that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the fact that Barbie and Ariostour like quote
Speaker 1: unquote needed to happen, or needed to play out, or
Speaker 1: needed to at least feel like it was going to
Speaker 1: play out for them to make a decision to put
Speaker 1: Mean Girls in theaters. Like I understand, we all want
Speaker 1: to help that, they all want to help their streamers out,
Speaker 1: so that's part of it. But it's just like, of
Speaker 1: course this movie was gonna make money, you know, it's
Speaker 1: mean Girls like it's not even like a hit movie
Speaker 1: from twenty years ago like anything else. This is mean girls,
Speaker 1: Like this is something that is readily quoted twenty years later,
Speaker 1: and people don't even think about the fact that they're
Speaker 1: quoting the movie because it became part of the lexicon,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, it's just how
Speaker 1: many of these lines did they feel like they couldn't
Speaker 1: change because they're so important to people, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I know, color me totally unsurprised, but in terms of
Speaker 1: the musical of it all, like the fact is they
Speaker 1: do hide it. They hide it all the time.
Speaker 2: So strange, so strange to me. Anyway, This is me
Speaker 2: like coming off of not that I was heavily involved
Speaker 2: in any of this discussion, but like all respect to
Speaker 2: Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson for oh yeah, like make
Speaker 2: a film and like going with it and calling it
Speaker 2: dicks the musical, right, Like God bless you for putting
Speaker 2: musical in your title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Also, it's just like I don't believe
Speaker 1: this thing. And I get that there's like empirical data,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe this thing that people don't see musicals,
Speaker 1: because wasn't it not that long ago that one of
Speaker 1: the biggest hits of the entire year was Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, It's just like, what
Speaker 1: about these examples that make a fuck ton of money?
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm naive, but isn't it just the movie
Speaker 1: should be good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's so arbitrary, and I don't know so
Speaker 2: the people I guess greenlighting it. Maybe Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: it's that thing where these studios are more and more
Speaker 2: separated by this chasm of not knowing what the audience
Speaker 2: is anymore. Right, it's just about the audience relationship, and
Speaker 2: there are more and more agnostic things about capital T
Speaker 2: capital A the audience, right, I'm speaking so absolutely.
Speaker 1: But it's just weird because like you'd think that they
Speaker 1: would understand that when you activate a demographic that you
Speaker 1: can literally see activated over the things they love in
Speaker 1: all media, like, for example, like in music, that demographic
Speaker 1: literally even if the rastor movie never came out, even
Speaker 1: if the errors tour never happened. You know how Gavanos
Speaker 1: I are for like Taylor Swift and Harry Styles and
Speaker 1: like all those things. So why wouldn't you make something
Speaker 1: for that market that can engage them and make them
Speaker 1: dress up and make them like interact with each other
Speaker 1: and like in some cases meet each other. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, to engage on this thing because we
Speaker 1: know how powerful culture is. I mean, that's how we
Speaker 1: do this podcast. It's like these things literally bring people together.
Speaker 1: So it's just like the hesitancy about whether to put
Speaker 1: mean girls in theaters to me is just like I
Speaker 1: understand not wanting to just pull the trigger and just
Speaker 1: do it, but like what a sure thing it is
Speaker 1: to make money, at least from my preview, Like had
Speaker 1: that bombed, I would have been really surprised.
Speaker 2: Right, right, same thing kind of applies, but not quite
Speaker 2: to color purple. Like right, it did great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially something that's like literally tried and true,
Speaker 1: like both those things. I think. You know what must
Speaker 1: have really scared people is the West Side Story of
Speaker 1: it all. But genuinely, think about who the audience for
Speaker 1: West Side Story was and when they were opening it,
Speaker 1: Like it's not rocket science to find out that that
Speaker 1: might not do well. It was a nostalgia movie geared
Speaker 1: towards older people. It is unabashedly a musical, there's no
Speaker 1: way to hide it. And it's long, and it was
Speaker 1: pretty deep COVID. It was like a dark time for COVID,
Speaker 1: So that to me shouldn't be a bell weather for
Speaker 1: musicals in film, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was kind of the like crater for
Speaker 2: a second and now we're coming out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like, well, if that failed, we can't
Speaker 1: do this genre. And I'm like, just because it's a
Speaker 1: famous musical doesn't mean that people would want to see it.
Speaker 1: Like I know fifty people who you say you want
Speaker 1: to see me and girls in the musical dated at
Speaker 1: least be like, oh, yeah, I definitely want to check
Speaker 1: it out. I love the movie. You say, west Side Story,
Speaker 1: that's a different askue.
Speaker 2: Right, They're like I am not necessarily interested or I
Speaker 2: am so emotionally attached to the original, like there are
Speaker 2: a million reasons for people not to see.
Speaker 1: It, yeah, yeah, yeah, or also like you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really sad. You know it's gonna be really dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like as much as it's like that, and that's me
Speaker 1: doing lay littl sharks and jets dance Like it's sad,
Speaker 1: it's dark, it's deep.
Speaker 2: Like you disrespect Leonard Bernstein again and.
Speaker 1: He gonna always get it again and again it good again.
Speaker 1: We got some blowback last week for our what we're
Speaker 1: apparently hot takes.
Speaker 2: People have really turned on me for my innocent not
Speaker 2: innocent I was. I guess I was pretty like, uh,
Speaker 2: who cares? But I'm like, you know, she'll be fine everyone.
Speaker 2: But if people want to listen, listen, this is a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to me. If your affinity for Rosamond Pike
Speaker 2: is more important than our friendship, relationship or your relationship
Speaker 2: to this podcast, I understand, and listen, go off, go off.
Speaker 2: This actress who maybe has nothing in common with most
Speaker 2: of us, Like, if you want to line up.
Speaker 1: With that, go ahead, love someone someone DM this was
Speaker 1: this was so it's a chill out my spine. Oh no.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even say anything really negative about her.
Speaker 1: I said, I do think she's pulled it off, said.
Speaker 3: Some of this was.
Speaker 1: It was funny moment. It was like a serial killer.
Speaker 1: Someone sent me a picture of her and said, you
Speaker 1: will you will never be a challenged or a successful
Speaker 1: The same person sent me the same thing and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, it sent a chill up my spine.
Speaker 1: I was like getting a message from the traders.
Speaker 2: It's from the trail, which we have to talk about.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, but in that moment, when I saw
Speaker 2: that message, I laughed and I was like, well, this
Speaker 2: bitch is clearly listening to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I was like, thanks for your readership.
Speaker 2: I went full Monica Garcia and I blocked. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I actually also blocked. I almost responded to watch me, bitch,
Speaker 2: but I just challenge accepted, challenge accepted on my way
Speaker 2: to rosmand Pike levels of fame and success.
Speaker 1: Bitch, I'll see you there.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen. I feel bad that she fell down
Speaker 2: the stairs at Christmas and therefore she had to wear
Speaker 2: that cage around her face at the Golden Globes, and I.
Speaker 1: Think she's really talented. I disagree with my sister on
Speaker 1: the basis of has she ever pulled it off? I
Speaker 1: think that she has pulled it off.
Speaker 2: And I and I said it as an asterisk, she
Speaker 2: has pulled it off as well. Her dream is supreme.
Speaker 1: First of all. Really, all I have to say is
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about her anymore. But let's be finish this.
Speaker 1: No no, but I will double down on this thing
Speaker 1: about gone girl, because like people were like floored that
Speaker 1: we would say that Reese Witherspoon would make a better
Speaker 1: Amy and Gone Girl. That's my opinion. In the words
Speaker 1: of the Great Tamor Judge Hemmer Trader's Season two that's
Speaker 1: my opinion. That's Bowen's opinion. We have a different view
Speaker 1: on what would have made Amy effective in that movie.
Speaker 1: If you think obvious Ice Queen from Go works better
Speaker 1: for you, and you love the turn and you love
Speaker 1: the way she did the cool girl monologue, congratulations. Many
Speaker 1: millions agrees, so do Academy voters. That's incredible. I thought
Speaker 1: she was good, but they're could have been more of
Speaker 1: a misdirect in that characterization from the beginning. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: And if you don't think Reese Witherspoon is capable of that,
Speaker 1: you have not seen the work you went to see.
Speaker 2: Ol. People are saying that we are pro recent in
Speaker 2: this case because we want to work on her projects.
Speaker 2: It's to say that we like, isn't getting anywhere near me.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to be like, well, they probably want
Speaker 1: to work with Reese. It's like, Babe, we want to
Speaker 1: work with Emerald Finel too. It doesn't make us stop
Speaker 1: saying we didn't think Saltburn was a ten, Like this is,
Speaker 1: these are our opinions?
Speaker 2: Can I get real? Either we are too filtered and
Speaker 2: to like say it walking on eggshells because we're like
Speaker 2: in the morass now with these people, or it's that
Speaker 2: when we do express an honest, authentic, genuine opinion, it's
Speaker 2: because we're like bitchy game, like you remember that we
Speaker 2: have the wrong of it.
Speaker 1: What do you want from us? People? That's all?
Speaker 2: We love you guys. I never have felt any real
Speaker 2: actual contempt for anything in this lost culturistas ethos, but like,
Speaker 2: it's okay if you guys don't like the same movies
Speaker 2: as us, it's okay. If we don't like the same
Speaker 2: movies as you, it's fine. We're all having fun here.
Speaker 1: It's actually art and subjective. Like someone said to me
Speaker 1: that if we were talking about the SAG nominations, and
Speaker 1: in my group chat, I was talking about, like, you
Speaker 1: know who I might vote for because you know, bo
Speaker 1: Andy Are and SAG and we get to vote for
Speaker 1: this one. So I was like, you know, for Best Actress,
Speaker 1: I might vote for Margot Robbie And people were like why,
Speaker 1: oh God, And I was like, oh, because art is subjective,
Speaker 1: and that's my opinion, and I don't think anyone else
Speaker 1: could have played Barbie. I respect the way that she
Speaker 1: crafted an arc of stereotypical perfection into human realization, into
Speaker 1: full blown humanity. I don't think it was easy, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't see a ton of people producing their movies
Speaker 1: the way that she seems to actively produce it. She
Speaker 1: hasn't won a big award like this, and I liked
Speaker 1: her performance and I'm torn between her and Emma, that's
Speaker 1: my opinion. But people would treat me like it was
Speaker 1: like a Jill Stein vote. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about being right or predictive. I am in the union.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for the performance that I think was
Speaker 1: the best. I have a lot of respect for Margot
Speaker 1: Robbie and her characterization, and I've voted for her before
Speaker 1: for SAG, I voted for her for Ititanya. I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: That's my vote. That's my opinion. This is what makes
Speaker 1: art a beautiful thing to discuss on a podcast like
Speaker 1: Class Culturista.
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of Tamra Judge, shall we move on to
Speaker 2: The Trader season two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah we should.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy this show has returned.
Speaker 1: Oh, first of all, if you want to get into
Speaker 1: Traders like you're so in luck, because there's the whole
Speaker 1: first season of US, there's a great season of UK
Speaker 1: and an excellent season of Australia, the same game familiar.
Speaker 1: But really, what's so great about this is you see
Speaker 1: how just the dynamics of a cast can change the
Speaker 1: entire way and outcome and upper hand like that a
Speaker 1: faithbook can have over a Trader. I also love all
Speaker 1: the different hosts. But speaking about the second season of Traders,
Speaker 1: I think we have probably the greatest reality TV cast
Speaker 1: of all time. Every fandom is eating good, as they
Speaker 1: would say, and I just can't I can't think that
Speaker 1: they could have offered better fan service that also feels
Speaker 1: like exciting, watchable gameplay and not just fan service. I
Speaker 1: just can't think of a better way they could have
Speaker 1: done it, Like the way it shook out is so iconic.
Speaker 2: Genuine moments of triumph in my viewing experience.
Speaker 1: And let's just say not spoilers here. Spoilers. This is
Speaker 1: spoilers for the first three episodes of Traders. Don't say
Speaker 1: we didn't say it, Okay, continue, Sorry.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll insert a little thing here to tell you
Speaker 2: where to skip too. But I watched it with a
Speaker 2: group of friends who have not seen any Traders before,
Speaker 2: and everyone was remarking. We were all just laughing, applauding
Speaker 2: at every single thing Alan coming was saying. Because I
Speaker 2: think whenever drag Race wants to, like whenever Rupe Paul
Speaker 2: even just wants to like take a step back from
Speaker 2: racking up all these Emmies, like Alan deserves some kind
Speaker 2: of recognition for the work he's doing here.
Speaker 1: He's having so much fun doing it. He does look amazing,
Speaker 1: and also he has It's like that thing when a
Speaker 1: host is perfectly matched to yes the show, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's in the fabric of that show.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because when you do watch the international
Speaker 1: versions from UK and Australia, it's the same vibe with
Speaker 1: those hosts, like you buy it and you love it.
Speaker 1: But there's something about Alan. He's just got this gravitas
Speaker 1: that's also playful, that's also very authoritative, like just perfect.
Speaker 1: And I hope for again, not that it really matters,
Speaker 1: but like I hope for recognition for him at the
Speaker 1: Emmys for this, and I'm hoping that all the Traders
Speaker 1: needed to do was establish itself as a show. That's
Speaker 1: like a real hit and a real zegeist moment, because
Speaker 1: I mean if the rubric, like I always say, is
Speaker 1: could anyone else have done it this? Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone else does it as good as Allan No.
Speaker 2: And speaking of that rubric, no one is doing it
Speaker 2: as well as Parverty Shallow. And this is a spoiler,
Speaker 2: there's a moment where she is recruited to the Traders. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I launched out of my chair and applauded.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, so I think that I was
Speaker 1: praying to God when they said it was between the
Speaker 1: four of them, because they were choosing between and this
Speaker 1: was so long. They were choosing between Janelle from Big
Speaker 1: brother who is an icon. Yeah, my sister is freaking
Speaker 1: out about Dan and Janelle from Big Brothers. She's like,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. They picked the two best people. She's like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be major. Like Dan is an icon,
Speaker 1: like et cetera. Apparently he played the best game of
Speaker 1: Big Brother ever. And it's like funeral or something like
Speaker 1: that was his own death or something. It's like very
Speaker 1: very insane, but like it was between them Larsa, Sandra
Speaker 1: and Parvety.
Speaker 2: The Larsa thing, their logic was, let's break up that
Speaker 2: couple of Larsa and Marcus. But the Sandra thing, I
Speaker 2: mean you, you made a very good observation to Sandra
Speaker 2: always plays best from the bottom.
Speaker 1: From the bottom, she's a really amazing You can see
Speaker 1: in her first two games of Survivor she has a
Speaker 1: rough time yea. She plays defensively really well because people
Speaker 1: just don't think they have to worry about her. And
Speaker 1: then meanwhile she's been right under the surface, collecting, doing it.
Speaker 1: She's carrying the bones. And then in her last two
Speaker 1: games with Survivor, when her ego was sort of part
Speaker 1: of her thing, Queen stays queen, et cetera, and she
Speaker 1: plays very aggressively. I very clear she has to go.
Speaker 1: And so what I'm seeing her do in Traders so
Speaker 1: far is she's being a little bit more on the side.
Speaker 1: She's playing as a faithful she's playing from the bottom.
Speaker 1: So that makes her a threat.
Speaker 2: Now I only remark on this because it is that
Speaker 2: you're twenty twenty four, But for her to have a
Speaker 2: substantial amount of money, yeah, from winning Survivor twice, and
Speaker 2: that you're twenty twenty four to have full on braces
Speaker 2: on TV. Now braces on TV and not in visiln like,
Speaker 2: you can at least go for the invisile line.
Speaker 1: I don't think she should change a thing. I think
Speaker 1: Sandra should keep following her every in the morning iconic
Speaker 1: she wakes up in the morning and opens her eyes.
Speaker 1: She should always do the first thing that comes to
Speaker 1: her mind. She cannot lose braces on TV as a
Speaker 1: full grown woman who should have the money to work
Speaker 1: around this. I say Chef's kiss.
Speaker 2: She is so necessary right now, in this moment, in
Speaker 2: this moment of reality television competition, specifically Survivor specifically where
Speaker 2: everyone's like collectively rediscovering it. It's so important that she's
Speaker 2: back on her televisions.
Speaker 1: Oh and I will say, but I mean, surviver fans know,
Speaker 1: you can't pick better people than Sandra and Parveny. You
Speaker 1: just can't. Like that's like exactly right. And then I
Speaker 1: would say the challenge people would probably say the same
Speaker 1: thing about CT and Bananas and even Trischelle, Like those
Speaker 1: are characters. Drag Race people had peppermint for a short time,
Speaker 1: but you know, at least we had that and then
Speaker 1: the how Housewives. They've chosen pretty fun housewives for this.
Speaker 1: I mean even Larsa, who's about as dumb as a rock, like,
Speaker 1: has been showing a galvanization in the wake of Marcus's murder.
Speaker 1: That's like really interesting.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting because she's right, she's intuitive, and I
Speaker 2: think they even, oh, no, this is I'm reading an
Speaker 2: Agatha Christie book where someone says the way women form
Speaker 2: their intuition is from like this like undercurrent of like
Speaker 2: analyzing every single thing, every single input that comes their way,
Speaker 2: and I think, like there is I think the Housewives
Speaker 2: are actually everyone's like, oh, like even people on the
Speaker 2: show are like, well, the Housewives aren't like physical players,
Speaker 2: and they don't like they're very new to this whole
Speaker 2: concept of reality competition. But it's like the Housewives have
Speaker 2: this these antenna that are extremely useful for a game
Speaker 2: like this, and Larsa has Dan's fucking number.
Speaker 1: I think it's also a mistake to not think of
Speaker 1: Housewives as a game. I think a lot. I think
Speaker 1: it's a mistake to think that they don't compete because
Speaker 1: what you see every season, especially as the show has
Speaker 1: become as a franchise, something that is really really really
Speaker 1: embedded and feels like it does feel gamified in a way,
Speaker 1: because I mean, what you want if you are really
Speaker 1: someone who wants to play this game and wants to
Speaker 1: keep the check and wants to keep the spotlight and
Speaker 1: wants to keep the platform, you want to be sitting
Speaker 1: next to Andy on that couch. You want to be
Speaker 1: safely let's call it center Diamond. And so you're playing
Speaker 1: mind games on like another level, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it mentally healthy? Probably not. But for example, like
Speaker 1: there were winners and losers of the recent salt Lake season,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the winner of salt
Speaker 1: Lake was Heather this season, the loser was Monica. In
Speaker 1: that social game, the Core four win, the Faithful's win.
Speaker 2: The faithfuls wand oh my god, I need to rewatch
Speaker 2: this season of salt Lake with the frame of this
Speaker 2: is a season of the traders.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. It was someone it was
Speaker 1: someone with a knowledge the rest of them didn't have
Speaker 1: the entire time trying to make them feel comfortable, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and trying to eliminate other people on that cast based
Speaker 1: on lies. Like it's not that different. So to think
Speaker 1: that a housewife can't win the show is a mistake.
Speaker 2: Huge mistake. I'm curious to see how far Tamera goes,
Speaker 2: obviously curious to see how far Phaedra goes.
Speaker 1: I think is great.
Speaker 2: They're not cutting to chart in the confessional at all,
Speaker 2: which really is strange to me. And it must something
Speaker 2: must have happened on the production side, where like it
Speaker 2: wasn't usable or something, and like.
Speaker 1: Well, not everyone can get it's a large cast, and
Speaker 1: not everyone can get airtime. And I feel like, right now, well,
Speaker 1: it's two things, right, It's like one thing is like
Speaker 1: they have to actually follow the game that's being played,
Speaker 1: and another thing is based on a rewatch, you actually
Speaker 1: have to be able to track the winner from the
Speaker 1: first episode. Like that's just like an editing rule of
Speaker 1: reality television.
Speaker 2: But speaking of the editing, they're not investing in anything
Speaker 2: that Jari's doing at all, which makes you go, don't win.
Speaker 2: But like if he's sticking around for at least four episodes,
Speaker 2: then like cut to her for us at least a
Speaker 2: couple seconds. That's I don't know. I'm just a little confused.
Speaker 1: I'm thro they do a pretty good job on this
Speaker 1: show of making it feel like everyone is a part
Speaker 1: of the show when that literally can't be the case.
Speaker 1: I do want to take this moment to say, over
Speaker 1: the past two days, you know what I've done, I
Speaker 1: finally binge watched this most recent season of Survivor. Forget
Speaker 1: what you heard. This was a great season. This season
Speaker 1: was excellent. It was the most dynamic relationships I've seen
Speaker 1: on this show in a really long time. I am
Speaker 1: confident calling it, I think the best season of the
Speaker 1: new era it is. It's really good and the winner
Speaker 1: is era. Yes, the winner is a ten. Wow, the
Speaker 1: winner is a ten. I don't want to say anything
Speaker 1: because I think you'll have fun watching it, but really compelling,
Speaker 1: like strategic moves out of relationships and not just gameplay,
Speaker 1: which I've been missing on this show for a really
Speaker 1: long time, Like long scenes that are just establishing relationship
Speaker 1: and storyline and character dynamics that I think make the
Speaker 1: show really compelling. And it's great to see someone win
Speaker 1: playing a great strategic game but also being really winning
Speaker 1: in that respect. Ten out of ten, this was a
Speaker 1: great season, and it starts weird because some of the
Speaker 1: players are not odd but really really really worth it.
Speaker 1: And I'm happy that I got to binge it all
Speaker 1: in once, because that's the way I love to watch Survivor.
Speaker 1: So how I trained myself to watch it during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But everyone jump in and anyone that watched it live
Speaker 1: and was like, what are you doing? You got to
Speaker 1: watch you were right? I finally did, and I love it.
Speaker 2: I love to hear this. I love to hear this.
Speaker 1: So are you predicting who are you predicting to win?
Speaker 1: Traders at this moment?
Speaker 2: Well, it's faithfuls are always at a disadvantage. And this
Speaker 2: is if you've played enough games of Mafia or Werewolf
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know this already. Like there was real
Speaker 2: period where we were playing this all the time at
Speaker 2: Chinese school on Sundays, like it was the obsession, and
Speaker 2: Mafia usually wins. It's really hard for these faithfuls to
Speaker 2: root out who among them is deceiving, cunning, whatever. But
Speaker 2: I think my opinion, and this is me being pretty
Speaker 2: big brother illiterate, I feel like Dan is not as
Speaker 2: smart as he thinks he is. He's not playing obviously,
Speaker 2: like his scent is sort of wafting through the halls
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think that he's not making it
Speaker 2: till the end, and I think that what's showing. What
Speaker 2: was interesting about last season mild spoil if you haven't
Speaker 2: seen the first season of The Traders us SII was
Speaker 2: able to manage these boys, and what's happening now is
Speaker 2: Dan thinks he can manage these women, but he is
Speaker 2: in over his head. It's very much giving. I know
Speaker 2: better because I'm a man. I'm sorry, that's just how
Speaker 2: it's coming off to me.
Speaker 1: I think also, well, I was having this discussion the
Speaker 1: other day, which is if I'm a contestant on The
Speaker 1: Traders and I look around and I'm someone who knows something,
Speaker 1: and I look at someone like Dan, I look at
Speaker 1: someone like Poverty, I'm thinking thinking, well, they're gonna want
Speaker 1: to pick them as a Trader, yeah, because that's what
Speaker 1: the audience wants to see. So I hear that argument.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, as someone who is like
Speaker 1: a fan of several different franchises here, when they picked Fedra,
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised at all, because that to me felt
Speaker 1: like Housewives fan service. And I feel like someone who
Speaker 1: loves Big Brother feels the same way about Dan Da,
Speaker 1: someone who loves Survivor feels the same way about poverty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in that respect, you kind of can't really use
Speaker 1: the logic of, oh, well, they had to pick them,
Speaker 1: because every single fandom has that person and they can't
Speaker 1: all be picked as traders. So like, if I'm there,
Speaker 1: you have to go solely off gameplay. And that's where
Speaker 1: knowing something about these franchises comes into play, because if
Speaker 1: you see Dan acting weird, then Dan's acting weird, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Also, I think it's different when
Speaker 1: everyone is a reality show person who's trained to think
Speaker 1: in this psychotic way, where like you can't be quiet, damn,
Speaker 1: Like you don't have the option of being quiet. You
Speaker 1: look suspicious because you wouldn't be quiet.
Speaker 2: Right, And Parvity, I think is doing great. I think
Speaker 2: she's flying under the radar a little, Like all three
Speaker 2: of these traders are a little too quiet for my liking.
Speaker 2: But Parverty walking around with this Chalice was hilary, yes,
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's the gameplay that she's used
Speaker 2: to No, And I had pure I had like real
Speaker 2: anxiety watching her. I was like, oh my god, oh
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god, oh my god, she's being
Speaker 2: so obvious. She's being so obvious. Yeah, like and readers
Speaker 2: Kase public Is finalists. If you don't know what we're
Speaker 2: talking about, just please please please try and watch this
Speaker 2: as soon as you can. You won't regret it. But
Speaker 2: part walking around with this goblet, I was like, she
Speaker 2: is not used to this kind of like surreptitious behavior necessarily,
Speaker 2: and the way that survivor you can sort of like
Speaker 2: couture intentions in like communication. This is her with something physical,
Speaker 2: being in like a crowd of people, so many variables
Speaker 2: around her. It's it's a little panic inducing for me
Speaker 2: as a viewer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where I think, like as a viewer,
Speaker 1: you're just looking for things that they're not Like I
Speaker 1: think us as viewers, we with the knowledge of poverty
Speaker 1: as a trader walking around with that Childice, We're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's so obvious. I genuinely think if
Speaker 1: you're there, you might just forget that she could hand
Speaker 1: you something that's a poisoned drink, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's like like that's where it's. It really makes
Speaker 1: it seem like it should be easier and more obvious
Speaker 1: until you're doing it. I would imagine that I would
Speaker 1: imagine it's like anything else where it's just like anyone
Speaker 1: on the couch would be like, oh, I'd absolutely this,
Speaker 1: like you should have seen me yesterday watching Star ivor
Speaker 1: being like, well, here'd be my game plan, Like no,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Bitch, all that's are off when you're all that's are off.
Speaker 1: But they couldn't have picked I mean, the outcome was incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean when I heard her voice laughing, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they actually picked her, and it was
Speaker 1: similar to what you were saying, like I think. I
Speaker 1: got up out of my seat and paced around. I
Speaker 1: was like, I love my life.
Speaker 2: I love my life. I hate how the Peppermint stuff
Speaker 2: shook out and fucking Trischelle they still haven't spoken. I
Speaker 2: saw a headline where Peppermin Tritill still haven't spoken because
Speaker 2: Trischelle is a fucking loser.
Speaker 1: I didn't love the way that shook out. I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I just wish it didn't have to go that way.
Speaker 1: One thing I'll say is like you do get the
Speaker 1: sense that Peppermint is like a very big personality, and
Speaker 1: you can like they do tend to leap on the
Speaker 1: big personalities, especially early when they have nothing to go off.
Speaker 1: But that whole situation with them talking and then Chelle
Speaker 1: making Peppermint's reactions so much more than it was felt
Speaker 1: like amplifying something in a negative way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're feeling, right, I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying it. Yeah, we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Cut to Charat. I am not happy right now. Art
Speaker 1: is so funny.
Speaker 2: Sharia is so funny that I hope she stays a
Speaker 2: little bit longer than we expect her to, but we're
Speaker 2: not expecting her to.
Speaker 1: She's the bone collector, like she carries the bones. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know me, I want Housewives supremacy, Like there would
Speaker 1: be nothing I want more than to watch this be
Speaker 1: all Housewives. Insane social tactics being used in Tamra interrogating
Speaker 1: this man from Parliament about his asthma was completely out
Speaker 1: of fam.
Speaker 2: Tamra's gameplay so far. I'm like, okay, her asking like
Speaker 2: Vernon Haaler when they're running. I'm like, pretty smart, pretty clever.
Speaker 1: I think nothing's been as smart so far than Poverty
Speaker 1: faking out that she was going to vote Dan crossing
Speaker 1: out the D and.
Speaker 2: Then yes, oh my god, I was obsessed with that.
Speaker 1: She's just good. She's just thinking more than she just
Speaker 1: hasn't missed the step. She has not missed a fucking step.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the web in black Wood a Brigade,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I was just thinking about
Speaker 2: her thing with them what's his face in Micronesia? Of like,
Speaker 2: who do you want to take to the end? Girls?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So such a great TV moment Charay though, I'm like,
Speaker 2: have we talked enough on this podcast about the force
Speaker 2: that is Chara Whitefield? Just like the staying power of
Speaker 2: so many of the things that she said. I was
Speaker 2: with Tomas Modos the other day and like, oh, I'm joah.
Speaker 2: We were laughing and then someone was talking about like
Speaker 2: the beat of a song, and then like immediately they
Speaker 2: launched it too. Definitely I liked I like to like,
Speaker 2: I like the beat.
Speaker 1: I like to beat.
Speaker 2: And if you go check me boo?
Speaker 1: Of course I watched who Go and Check Me a Boo?
Speaker 1: Frequently And my sister, who's like a huge big brother
Speaker 1: and cyber fan, doesn't know how his wives. She was like,
Speaker 1: how do I know who these people are? I just
Speaker 1: sent like four clips that would get them all across,
Speaker 1: and of course I sent who Going Check Me a Boo?
Speaker 1: And she was like my sister was streaming, screaming, laughing
Speaker 1: at like what played out? What transpire between Shreg and
Speaker 1: the party planner. I mean it's like kind of television,
Speaker 1: so good customer service, customer.
Speaker 2: And then and then whatever happened to Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3: My name is?
Speaker 1: My name is? How are you are you? My name?
Speaker 1: My name is?
Speaker 2: And then and then the thing that gets overlooked in
Speaker 2: the simmer Spring Summer moment is Candy is Candy going
Speaker 2: like he's asked me like when it's coming out or something.
Speaker 2: And then and then tore Goo's it's quiet like like
Speaker 2: like brushes her off. And then he goes, Okay, well
Speaker 2: it wasn't clear, and sregoes, you're not being clear, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: We have to say, Atlanta.
Speaker 2: We have to save our girls. Girls.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you like so of course, like there's
Speaker 1: been interview. I'm obsessed with the traders, like I cannot stop,
Speaker 1: and so I'm watching all their interviews and like trying
Speaker 1: to suss out, like based on what they're saying in
Speaker 1: the interviews with like ET or whatever the fuck online,
Speaker 1: like like whether or not they stay. I was watching
Speaker 1: an interview with Shrey and they were like, what's up
Speaker 1: with Real Housewives of Atlanta? Like when are we gonna hear?
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, there's gonna be a cast
Speaker 1: shake up. And I was like, please God, like, let's
Speaker 1: fix Atlanta. And by fixing Atlanta, I don't mean fire everybody,
Speaker 1: because I understand why that needed to happen to for
Speaker 1: New York. I'm not there yet with with Atlanta.
Speaker 2: But what do you think, like Drew Sonya Marlowe gone, I.
Speaker 1: Think they have to go. I just don't think marlow
Speaker 1: I don't think Marlowe is.
Speaker 2: She does not hold the peach.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's positive, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I just it feels I don't know, it just feels
Speaker 1: like something dark sided about it. Whereas like I think
Speaker 1: we can move forward with Kenya Candy, Well, Candy's so
Speaker 1: hugely popular that you kind of can't just like fire her,
Speaker 1: but like I don't think she gives great story, but
Speaker 1: maybe she could. And then Charay and you know, I
Speaker 1: just I want the classic girls, you know Atlanta in
Speaker 1: the seasons where Porsha was there, where Faedra was there,
Speaker 1: where Cynthia Bailey was there, like you know, not to say,
Speaker 1: but like Nini in her prime, there was no one better. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we'll never get those days back because nin is never
Speaker 1: coming back. But we could do it. We could do
Speaker 1: it with these great characters that we know and love.
Speaker 1: It's it's just I don't know, it has to make sense.
Speaker 1: It has these they have to have real relationships. It's
Speaker 1: like any of the shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brick Ashley did a whole video essay about how
Speaker 2: Potomach is in its flot I watch it an article.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the whole thing about how like how
Speaker 1: disappointing it is to have, you know, when Dey and
Speaker 1: Neca against each other, the way that they are based
Speaker 1: on culture and based on you know, heritage, and it's
Speaker 1: really ugly. And they really called out the way that
Speaker 1: it feels like the goalposts do move for certain cast members.
Speaker 1: You know, it's in its flop ear.
Speaker 2: I would agree, But I'm so thrilled that Brooke Ashley
Speaker 2: shares our opinion, which is break up or just get
Speaker 2: rid of entirely the Green Eye biendas.
Speaker 1: She was making a really good point about how Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills this season is so because because they got rid of,
Speaker 1: you know, a toxic element of the group. And I
Speaker 1: say this as someone who has really liked has done before.
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, like we know what the
Speaker 1: show is with gizl. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: we know I'm bored. We know what the environment and
Speaker 1: the setting and the feel of the show is with
Speaker 1: Giselle at the center, and it's not working anymore, and
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it will be a lot better at
Speaker 1: this point, like it can't get worse, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Pasona can get worse.
Speaker 2: What a hateful person. I will say it till the
Speaker 2: day I die. Giselle, Brian, God, you are a canker
Speaker 2: on this state.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get dms now that are like I don't
Speaker 1: picture pictures of Gazel being like you will never be
Speaker 1: as talented and successful as.
Speaker 2: Bring them forth, Come forth? Oh thoughts on yes?
Speaker 1: And I like yes and a lot like it's so funny,
Speaker 1: Like I knew when I was first hearing it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like I don't know about this,
Speaker 1: and then in two sbins they're gonna be like it's
Speaker 1: my favorite song. And that's what happened. I just was
Speaker 1: like trying to put myself in the mind frame of
Speaker 1: like this is going to be a fucking moment. I
Speaker 1: happen to like it from the very beginning, Like I
Speaker 1: really did like the song, but there was that reaction
Speaker 1: that I could tell was gonna happen, which is, I
Speaker 1: might need to listen to this a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: And now it feels like people are turning a corner
Speaker 1: and liking it. But it certainly feels like an installment
Speaker 1: in that type of song we've been getting again and again,
Speaker 1: which is that like house, you know, House inspired, like
Speaker 1: you know, summer bop, Like it's certainly in vogue right
Speaker 1: now to do this type of song, but it's also
Speaker 1: like very essentially Ari. I feel like her DNA is
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the swing of You're not getting a vocal
Speaker 2: from me until it's forty five seconds into the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I have a different opinion on
Speaker 1: this because I think after recording the album, I really
Speaker 1: have an appreciation for just how layered and like textured
Speaker 1: she is in all of her music, even if she's
Speaker 1: not like belting down like right, just listen to the
Speaker 1: little harmonies in like little places where there's vocals and
Speaker 1: like really extra color and just like she's two things.
Speaker 1: She's an amazing singer, she's also an amazing recording artist.
Speaker 1: And I really like the way that she creates her
Speaker 1: like scape, like I just I'm really into it, Like
Speaker 1: I'm really listening to positions again in the album which
Speaker 1: was like fucking shit in the Pandemic it was for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying is it's like I think
Speaker 1: a lot of her music people call growers because they're
Speaker 1: not appreciating appreciation. They're not appreciating just how fun and
Speaker 1: how much there is and like her more quote unquote
Speaker 1: simple music where she's not singing to the rafters.
Speaker 2: But the consistent thing with her her stuff is that
Speaker 2: it's always technically very lush. And have you seen this
Speaker 2: this video that she put up of her It's like
Speaker 2: I want to say, like five to six seven eight
Speaker 2: minutes long of her like on pro tools, Yeah, picking
Speaker 2: the takes, going back being like well, I sound like
Speaker 2: I'm actually speaking English in this one, like she like
Speaker 2: you hear her thought process and she's teaching Max like
Speaker 2: the shortcuts and like how to do things in proach,
Speaker 2: Like she's telling Max Martin like little production things, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like she like she is this
Speaker 2: like technical person literally on like the software level. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in a way that I think people are finally starting
Speaker 2: to appreciate. Yeah, because they think of old they think, oh,
Speaker 2: like singer, the singer, and the looks and the makeup
Speaker 2: and the know all this stuff. But it's like this
Speaker 2: is a fully rounded artist.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She is very intentional and thoughtful about what she wants
Speaker 2: to say in each song she thinks of. She is
Speaker 2: an album artist down she has this very holistic view
Speaker 2: on things. In terms of her body of work. She
Speaker 2: is really excited. That's all I can say firsthand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she I mean, she's kind of got all the tools.
Speaker 1: She's a great singer. She's like a really adepth producer.
Speaker 1: She's someone who can create her own work lyrically. She
Speaker 1: also has great taste, and she also has a really
Speaker 1: really really strong individual brand. All that stuff that comes together,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of unbeatable and really sets her apart
Speaker 1: I think from a lot of other people, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's and so therefore it feels
Speaker 1: like she can kind of do whatever she wants to
Speaker 1: do and people aren't going to be like, they're never
Speaker 1: gonna say Ari flop era, They're just not. And even
Speaker 1: when she goes through her you know, publicized struggles, right like,
Speaker 1: she's always going to have her gift and her talent,
Speaker 1: and it feels like she's always able to kind of
Speaker 1: divert back to that in a way that I think
Speaker 1: is like a kind of crucial in an era where
Speaker 1: people are always going to be up in the business
Speaker 1: and think that they know better and be like something
Speaker 1: where maybe if she does make a mistake, she always
Speaker 1: has that you know what I'm saying. It's like it's
Speaker 1: six of one and no one knows really what's actually
Speaker 1: going on, but everyone knows that she's fucking talented as fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. Can I quickly shout out
Speaker 2: one one other thing before we move on Waxahatchie new
Speaker 2: single right back to it excellent, beautiful if you're a
Speaker 2: Waxahachi fan, subscribe to her substack and she like is
Speaker 2: really writing some beautiful pieces, like long form things about
Speaker 2: how like she's writing me songs and it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited she 'ose back. She did send me
Speaker 2: the whole album that's coming out in March. It is great, fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'm so, so so excited. Now I'm going to reach out.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Katie, Katy, Crutch, Gil come on, Crutch, come on, Crutch
Speaker 2: up prior guest of the pod of course, if you
Speaker 2: were aware. Okay, that's all so.
Speaker 1: Speaking about when you say prior guest, I think that
Speaker 1: Balin and I want to take this opportunity to just
Speaker 1: talk about the podcast and just talk about how in
Speaker 1: our ninth season we want to evolve and we want
Speaker 1: to feel like the podcast is while this is so fun,
Speaker 1: not always us just talking about the culture catchup, because
Speaker 1: let's just be real. As you guys have seen, we
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of guests anymore. And that's for
Speaker 1: a couple reasons. I think that I can say for
Speaker 1: us like we've gotten busier, and I think that while
Speaker 1: the guests are incredible, they require a certain amount.
Speaker 2: Of prevage our alignment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's just a lot going on. And the
Speaker 1: truth is that Bowen and I really like just doing
Speaker 1: it like this, and it's no shade to the concept
Speaker 1: of guests, and we're not saying we're not going to
Speaker 1: have guests, but it's just shook out the way that
Speaker 1: this is the way the podcast is happening now and
Speaker 1: we love it. And you know, in the next few months,
Speaker 1: like leading up to our four hundredth episode, which is
Speaker 1: so exciting, Bowen and I aren't going to be in
Speaker 1: the same place because I have to remain in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles for good reasons and Bowen has to be in
Speaker 1: New York for what we know are good reasons. So
Speaker 1: we wanted to think of a way to create a
Speaker 1: new element of the podcast, and we came up with
Speaker 1: something that we're pretty excited about.
Speaker 2: We have not really named it. And is that an
Speaker 2: important piece to this you think? Or no, I think
Speaker 2: we should index what this is because it is not
Speaker 2: quite a segment. It is a new facet of the
Speaker 2: full prism of the podcast. Yeah, but basically, what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do is we are going to randomly.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have it, Okay, a goblin. I have a
Speaker 1: goblet in my hands, so bowing before. But the reason
Speaker 1: I was two minutes late to the zoom and I
Speaker 1: can admit to being two minutes late to the zoom
Speaker 1: is because so this is what happened. Bow When texted
Speaker 1: me the other day and he made a great point,
Speaker 1: which was that you know a lot of times, like
Speaker 1: especially like in podcasting now, where it feels like there's
Speaker 1: a million a lot of people are doing the thing
Speaker 1: of two people talking, and we just want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we feel ahead of this thing and don't
Speaker 1: make it feel like what was that article that you said,
Speaker 1: like results in like over indulgent blood when people are
Speaker 1: just talking to each other.
Speaker 2: This is a piece in Byline, which is lovely, lovely,
Speaker 2: lovely new online publication that is really trying to fill
Speaker 2: in this really sad, huge gaping hole in media right
Speaker 2: now where like there is no place for new writers
Speaker 2: to start, Like we're not in a time of like
Speaker 2: man Repeller, Gawker, like you know, Roocky mag anymore. And
Speaker 2: as all these things get like bought out by these
Speaker 2: bigger media entities, and it's very sad. And anyway, it's
Speaker 2: quite sad. But they did a whole profile on these
Speaker 2: on the two founders in the New York Times that
Speaker 2: I thought was really interesting. But someone writes this piece
Speaker 2: about podcasting becoming overcrowded. We know this to be true already.
Speaker 2: I sent Matt this little excerpt. Podcast need to embrace
Speaker 2: these analogy. The trend towards open ended podcast leads to
Speaker 2: over indulgent glut and ultimately audience fatigue. Creating podcasts with
Speaker 2: different themes and seasons allows those making them time to
Speaker 2: ebb and flow and fold in new ideas.
Speaker 1: This is a new idea, and we're very excited about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna be doing it all the way
Speaker 1: up until our four hundredth episode. I have a goblet
Speaker 1: in my hands, and this is the goblet of cultural years.
Speaker 1: So these are there are fifty years in this goblet,
Speaker 1: and so every episode we're going to at the end
Speaker 1: pick out of the goblet of cultural years and whatever
Speaker 1: year that is, and it's the most recent fifty years,
Speaker 1: we are going to on the following episode do a
Speaker 1: full cultural excavation. We're going to be talking about the
Speaker 1: news of this day, the pop culture of this day,
Speaker 1: how they interacted, what the top games were, yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: what the top films were, what the top music was,
Speaker 1: what the top stories were, What was happening to the
Speaker 1: girls in this year, What we remember of this year
Speaker 1: if we were alive, what we can find out about
Speaker 1: this year and do a full blown cultural excavation on
Speaker 1: that year, sort of calling back to the very origin
Speaker 1: of this podcast, which is Last Culture Recess. We are
Speaker 1: culture curators and excavators, so we are really excited about
Speaker 1: this because it's going to not be homework but also
Speaker 1: be educational culture and this podcast being mentioned in academic work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't really think of a better move
Speaker 1: for us in terms of us getting an honorary degree
Speaker 1: from Harvard one day.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, absolutely, that is the goal here,
Speaker 2: and I am very excited. I am so curious to
Speaker 2: see what this first year is should we find out,
Speaker 2: Let's find out, Let's find out.
Speaker 1: Of reaching into the goblet of cultural years, and this
Speaker 1: will be on our next episode. We will be deep diving,
Speaker 1: twirling and thriving in the year that I pick out,
Speaker 1: and it's in my hand right now. That year is bowing.
Speaker 1: The gods are shining on us. I'm because this was
Speaker 1: a culturally ripe year and it's an important year for
Speaker 1: you and I. Nineteen eight, two thousand and nine, two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine will be the year that we culturally
Speaker 1: excavate on the next episode of Last Culturistas. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm already bursting at the seams. This was such a.
Speaker 2: I already know what I'm gonna talk about. DJ Earworms,
Speaker 2: United States of Pop Mashup. That was his best work.
Speaker 2: That was one of the best mashups in the history
Speaker 2: of mashups. It's mashup culture. We're talking about mashup culture.
Speaker 2: We're talking about girl talk, We're talking about all the
Speaker 2: pop girlies. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: You know what happened is the culture gods. They actually
Speaker 1: heard us say Katie Perry teenage dream earlier in that yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, let's get truly into it
Speaker 1: on the next episode of Last Culture. Wow. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize how much I love this idea until we did this.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a better year.
Speaker 1: This is good. So you can now think of Last
Speaker 1: Culturistas as the occasional guest will come on. If there's
Speaker 1: anything really, really insane that's happened in the culture, we
Speaker 1: might do a full culture catch up. Think of Last
Speaker 1: Culture is just going forward as a third culture catch up,
Speaker 1: a third cultural excavation from the hands of the goblet
Speaker 1: of culture, and then a third I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: in the aftermath, how about that? I love that?
Speaker 2: And obviously the pie chart is going to be a
Speaker 2: little uneven at times. I don't think So Honey might
Speaker 2: take up a mere three minutes all told, but we're excited.
Speaker 2: I think this is nothing is really fundamentally changing about
Speaker 2: the podcast, and it's a thrill and we're very excited,
Speaker 2: but it has.
Speaker 1: To remain fresh, you know what I mean? Like, and
Speaker 1: I think that this is just something that if you
Speaker 1: really think about it, like, I don't think I ever
Speaker 1: have more fun than when we're doing our like you know,
Speaker 1: our rankings and our lists and our stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is like in the family
Speaker 1: of that in a way that we can make a
Speaker 1: permanent part of the podcast. I'm like, super excited about it. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's go into I don't Think So Honey. On that note,
Speaker 1: I'm into it.
Speaker 2: What even is that I don't Think So Honey is
Speaker 2: our segment we've done every episode where we take one
Speaker 2: minute each to go into a diatribe about something that's
Speaker 2: really bothering us in the culture. And do you have something,
Speaker 2: Matt Rodgers, I do.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I we missed a Golden Clobes recap when we did
Speaker 1: our last episode because we recorded it right prior.
Speaker 2: And yes, I have something to say, Okay, this is exciting,
Speaker 2: this is Matt Rogers's I don't think so many as
Speaker 2: time starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey, that ten days is not enough
Speaker 1: time to put together jokes for a Golden Globes monologue.
Speaker 1: I understand that it's a really high profile gig, and
Speaker 1: watching it, I even think sometimes this is a no
Speaker 1: win gig. But you have ten days to put together
Speaker 1: what is essentially really only has to be a five
Speaker 1: to ten minute bit. And I'm not dragging because I
Speaker 1: feel like he's been dragged enough. But Joe Koi has
Speaker 1: been in the game since nineteen ninety four, so I
Speaker 1: would imagine that he knows a lot of people that
Speaker 1: he could have gotten together to put a rum together.
Speaker 1: And also that room could have included people who really
Speaker 1: cared about or knew about those movies. Because the fact
Speaker 1: that we ended up with a situation where we have
Speaker 1: to compare Oppenheimer, whose story was based on a book,
Speaker 1: to Barbie, whose story was based on a doll with
Speaker 1: big boobies. It was humiliating, and that was a really
Speaker 1: early joke to throw your writers onto the bus. You
Speaker 1: didn't picked the right writers. You are given the opportunity
Speaker 1: of a lifetime. Don't blame it on everything else. Ten
Speaker 1: days is a lot of time.
Speaker 2: That's one minute.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like to be noted a
Speaker 1: thing like this. You've written for the Globes. If you
Speaker 1: can provide some insight into this, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear it. It just felt ridiculous to me that that
Speaker 1: a ended up what it was quality wise, and B
Speaker 1: that the story ended up being what it was, which
Speaker 1: is well, production was such a nightmare. I only had
Speaker 1: ten days stop up, up up By now I'm spinning
Speaker 1: out publicly.
Speaker 2: So on that note, we got there for the year
Speaker 2: that Andy Saberg and Sandra Oh hosted. I think like
Speaker 2: six days, six or five days of lead time. I agree,
Speaker 2: it's like it's ten days to write eight minutes, right,
Speaker 2: and maybe come up with like two three quick little
Speaker 2: bits interstitially throughout the show, whether that's something in the audience,
Speaker 2: something on stage, something outside of whatever. Right, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of latitude there. You were well resourced to. Like
Speaker 2: the reason I went was because it was it was
Speaker 2: my first season working at SNL, and like there was
Speaker 2: this sort of I think Sandra wanted some Asian writer.
Speaker 2: So I went, Karen, she went, and Sudi and Fran
Speaker 2: had written for her. I'm just it's an honor to
Speaker 2: be Asian. Thing at the Emmys that summer, so like
Speaker 2: they were able to have their pick of who was
Speaker 2: right for them. I would imagine Joe Koy had the
Speaker 2: same latitude. So all that being said, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think it's just to matter though, of this guy
Speaker 2: not being embedded in that room. Right, it's everyone being like,
Speaker 2: who is this guy? He's not one of us? And
Speaker 2: then you put that together with the jokes being what
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: They were rough and also one of the lamer jokes
Speaker 1: of it in that it wasn't even a hard joke
Speaker 1: but got a lot of pick up for no reason.
Speaker 1: Was this Taylor Swift thing this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: First of all, there's not a more innocuous joke than
Speaker 1: one difference between the Golden Globes and the football whatever
Speaker 1: is that there's left cuts to Taylor Swift first of all.
Speaker 1: Then they cut to her. She didn't look pissed. She
Speaker 1: was just playing along, like looking pissed and taking a
Speaker 1: sip of her champagne. I don't think there's anything negative
Speaker 1: about that. That she acted. I just thought, like there's
Speaker 1: a fervor around that joke because of her fan base,
Speaker 1: because of her what it is? Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was like a perfectly whatever, middle of the road
Speaker 1: like five of a joke at that show. There were
Speaker 1: some truly heinous jokes at that show, which I think
Speaker 1: is exactly what you're saying, the root of it being
Speaker 1: he doesn't fucking care about this opportunity. I would doubt
Speaker 1: that he watches these movies.
Speaker 2: I have to be told, Ali Wong had to tell him,
Speaker 2: Like they were asking him, like what was the advice
Speaker 2: Like before the show, they were like, what advice have
Speaker 2: your friends given you? Your fellow comedians given you. He
Speaker 2: was like, well, Ali Wong, my good friend told me
Speaker 2: to watch all the movies. Yeah, which I don't think
Speaker 2: made a difference at all. Like I don't think like
Speaker 2: you could tell that he had even his whole thing
Speaker 2: if I didn't have a New Year's I was watching
Speaker 2: all these movies while everyone else is stringing champagne. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: none of that showed.
Speaker 1: That wasn't I mean, you didn't. That wasn't. None of
Speaker 1: that was in the Like you made a joke about
Speaker 1: Barbie's Boobies. Why did you watch all the movies that
Speaker 1: you should have had a New Year's.
Speaker 2: It's like your writers are going to watch all these
Speaker 2: movies and write jokes about that. I don't quite know
Speaker 2: who these people ended up being. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's anyone that we know, which is neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: I just think it's complicated because it's just like a
Speaker 2: perfect shit storm of stuff, like he blames them, he panics.
Speaker 2: It's like it's every bad, rough, worst case scenario thing transpired.
Speaker 2: What's sad to me is that this is like pulling
Speaker 2: in all these conversations about is there a need for
Speaker 2: a host? It kind of feeds into this larger cultural
Speaker 2: conversation that we're all having about or not that we're
Speaker 2: all having that they're all that's in the back of
Speaker 2: our minds about comedy and about how like if hard
Speaker 2: comedy has a place anywhere, Because if hard comedy has
Speaker 2: no place at award shows, if like someone can't go
Speaker 2: up there and open the show with like jokes about
Speaker 2: the movies and about the people there, then like where
Speaker 2: does it belong? Where does it exist? Like it's harder
Speaker 2: and harder to get movies made about that are hard
Speaker 2: comedies and TV shows to be categorized or even like
Speaker 2: exists as that like there is nowhere to go anymore
Speaker 2: for comedians. It's really sad to me that this is
Speaker 2: like a sidebar conversation that we're having in the wake
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Look, I think that here's the thing that we have
Speaker 1: to remember, is that there actually have been great performances.
Speaker 1: Yes of hosting these shows. It gets lost, but the
Speaker 1: year of Regina Hall, Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer, that
Speaker 1: year of the Slap, they did a great job hosting
Speaker 1: the show. They literally this last weekend Chelsea Handler say
Speaker 1: what you want. She was the type of person who
Speaker 1: should be hosting a show like the Critics' Choice Awards.
Speaker 2: You know what did amazing last week at the Governor's Thing.
Speaker 1: Right and Anthony Anderson last night, like I didn't love
Speaker 1: the Turning Bitch Charming perfectly Charming had like a place there,
Speaker 1: kept the pace, like got the vibes to be at
Speaker 1: a certain place, like where it felt good, joke away
Speaker 1: coming in, like it was a specific vibe that he
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable, didn't want to be there, and was just
Speaker 1: badly advised about how to set up his bit, because
Speaker 1: at least the party that I was at, like people
Speaker 1: just got up and walked away because it was too uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: So in it was it was, it was hard to watch,
Speaker 1: but then it got worse when he spun out and
Speaker 1: blames it on all these things. But to say that
Speaker 1: a comedian can't host this show, like that's just not true.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see it happen all the time. It's
Speaker 1: just that that job sometimes feels no win because when
Speaker 1: people do do an amazing job, it's not the story. Right,
Speaker 1: When people do a bad job, it's the story. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean to like help that narrative. I guess
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's a cop out to say
Speaker 1: that you didn't have enough time or that the writers
Speaker 1: didn't serve you, because I'm sorry, but I don't buy
Speaker 1: that as a comedian, like and other people that I
Speaker 1: talked to, like ten days would be more than enough time,
Speaker 1: if you even wanted to be there with fifty percent
Speaker 1: of your being, it would be more than enough time.
Speaker 1: What else do you have to do on the schedule
Speaker 1: that's more important than like an internationally watched television show
Speaker 1: where your job is to just for five to eight
Speaker 1: minutes or whatever it is, just set a good tone
Speaker 1: and make jokes. Yeah. Yeah, that's the part of it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like, is this this idea of this narrative
Speaker 1: being built that like that wasn't enough time, Like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but give me a break.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I'm here to say that, like we
Speaker 2: had less time the year that Andy and Sandra hosted,
Speaker 2: and that's what.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Joekoy though, I mean perfectly respectable, serviceable comedian. That sounds
Speaker 2: so fucking shady of me to say, but like a
Speaker 2: solid successful comedian.
Speaker 1: Like no, he's great. I mean, like it just that
Speaker 1: just wasn't his venue.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't the venue. And Joe Koi though, if
Speaker 2: you were, if you want to see more of him,
Speaker 2: he plays my Little Henchman and the Monkey King on that, and.
Speaker 1: I bet he's great in that because I'm sure he
Speaker 1: wanted to. I'm sure he wants to be in the booth,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I know, I guess
Speaker 1: my thing is just like there's so many people that
Speaker 1: would want that job. I know, like that would do
Speaker 1: an amazing job at that, Like that would treat it
Speaker 1: like an opportunity because I don't know, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think that audience wants to hate the host. I just
Speaker 1: don't like that audience wants to have a good time.
Speaker 1: That audience has a sense of humor about itself, like
Speaker 1: and if they don't like and the joke is good enough,
Speaker 1: then whatever I mean, like part of yeah, it is
Speaker 1: what it is part of.
Speaker 2: The reason why people go to those award shows. People
Speaker 2: watch award shows. It look, look, the words thankless job
Speaker 2: had been thrown around so much since those Golden Globes
Speaker 2: that I'm like questioning whether or not that's even true.
Speaker 2: And I'm starting to think maybe it's not because people
Speaker 2: go to those shows and watch those shows because it's
Speaker 2: giving Hollywood, you know what I mean, And like right,
Speaker 2: someone coming out and like doing the hosting thing is
Speaker 2: like a huge part of it. There is Like I
Speaker 2: just remember growing up and watching Billy Crystal would be
Speaker 2: being like it was the reason I watched. Half the
Speaker 2: reason I watched was just to see what like Billy
Speaker 2: Crystal would do. And then when Woopy came down from
Speaker 2: the fucking ceiling of the Kodak Theater, being like I
Speaker 2: am the sexy Beast. I was like, this is blowing
Speaker 2: my mind, Like there is a way not to be
Speaker 2: all nostalgia pilled about this, but like and not to
Speaker 2: be all like make blank great again. But it's like this,
Speaker 2: there is this way back to that. I'm so sure
Speaker 2: of it. It really bums me out now that we
Speaker 2: talk about this that, like I think it's another cop
Speaker 2: out to be like get rid of hosts entirely. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: please let's not. Let's please not. This is actually a
Speaker 2: secret place for comedians to like try new things, break out.
Speaker 2: It's it is like, for lack of the better term,
Speaker 2: a captive audience for comedians right in a way that
Speaker 2: like we don't get other places.
Speaker 1: I also think, like there is absolutely a world where
Speaker 1: you make a good joke about Taylor Swift and her
Speaker 1: fans actually like it, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: maybe you have to be more intentional about what that
Speaker 1: joke is. Okay, so what like she's far and away
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stars in that room, Like she's there,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make a joke about it. I
Speaker 1: honestly think the reason why that totally innocuous joke hit
Speaker 1: the way it did is because the vibes had been
Speaker 1: so rancid in the lead up to that joke. He
Speaker 1: had already been flopping. I think there was no coming
Speaker 1: back from that Barbie joke, right. That cut to Greta
Speaker 1: in the audience after that Barbie joke, I know she's
Speaker 1: being a good sport about it now and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't bother me. That was not a good vibe
Speaker 1: at all. That was really really rough.
Speaker 2: It was not for nothing of golden globes. That had
Speaker 2: moments and like between the Joe thing, it kept the
Speaker 2: conversation going about the whole award show, the whole Selena whispering,
Speaker 2: like the mouthwats like the tailor of it all, the
Speaker 2: Timmy and Kylie of it all, Timmy and like Io
Speaker 2: winning her award, like Ali and Wong and Bill Hatter kissing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there were just it gave us moments and
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what a word show should be,
Speaker 2: except for the host bombing. That's the only note I have.
Speaker 1: But you know what, even that is kind of a
Speaker 1: Tell's oldest time, you know what I mean, Like we remember,
Speaker 1: like we remember famously David Letterman hosted the Oscars and
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst, Yeah, hosting performances of
Speaker 1: all time. It didn't hurt him in the long run.
Speaker 1: I think it was just like a hazard of the trade.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you host these things, you're gonna bomb. I
Speaker 1: guess it's just like, if you're gonna bomb, don't also
Speaker 1: show us the seams like that. It's not even fun
Speaker 1: like in real time right, Like it was just it's
Speaker 1: like to blame the especially after everything that we've been
Speaker 1: through with the strikes, to be like the writers flopped
Speaker 1: and you know what, no one's perfect. And again like
Speaker 1: I'm not like saying, like Joe Coy's a bad comedian.
Speaker 1: He was the wrong person for this job. And if
Speaker 1: you know that's true, and if you know it's not
Speaker 1: something you're gonna do, well, don't say yes to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it helped anyone, like by saying yes
Speaker 1: to something. And maybe it got in his head too
Speaker 1: that everyone else had passed and he wasn't the first
Speaker 1: choice at that point. It's like make your decision then
Speaker 1: based on that feeling. But there's even a way around
Speaker 1: the I'm not like you element to it, like who
Speaker 1: is this guy? He's not one of us, Like the
Speaker 1: way that Tina Amy and Ricky Dervais all were in
Speaker 1: their own way successful, and with Ricky, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't quite know about that. Is that like they felt
Speaker 1: like they were like ingratiated into that space, right. Mulaney
Speaker 1: did the best thing at his Oscars thing where he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just like one of you. Let me
Speaker 1: read an email like a casting email, and it was
Speaker 1: a great play into a great joke. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's how you do it, is that you like make
Speaker 1: a joke about how you aren't one of them, and
Speaker 1: then that kind of like dusts off that shelf and
Speaker 1: then you get to like put whatever you want on it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Would you ever want to
Speaker 1: host the Golden Globes? Not the Globes?
Speaker 2: Maybe no award show? And actually I don't know. It
Speaker 2: seems like the culture needs to get into a better
Speaker 2: place first, Like the culture is bad right now, because
Speaker 2: like award shows are bad because the culture is bad.
Speaker 2: And I know that's a cop out answer, but it's
Speaker 2: like that's my answer for so many things.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I.
Speaker 2: Would only do it with you.
Speaker 1: I know, we would crush because you would have fun
Speaker 1: with it because this is what we talk about all year. Also,
Speaker 1: like you just have to have fun, just have fun
Speaker 1: with it, and then they have fun. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just simplistic of me to boil it down
Speaker 1: to that, but like there's got to be a sense
Speaker 1: of fun and like, you know, sense of wanting to
Speaker 1: be there. If you have fun and you want to
Speaker 1: be there, they'll have fun and they'll want to be there.
Speaker 1: What Joe.
Speaker 2: Not to note this to death, but like people kind
Speaker 2: of got on Joe's about like him doing a mom
Speaker 2: impression because that's kind of what he does a lot
Speaker 2: in his stand up.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 2: I think you should have leaned into that more because
Speaker 2: that's clearly his comfort zone. That's him having fun on stage.
Speaker 2: Like do that, like do like a whole bit about
Speaker 2: your mom, talking about all the nominees make me a
Speaker 2: whole fucking two to three minutes exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And even if that bid hadn't like placed him in
Speaker 1: the greatest host of all time category, he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be that anyway, because he doesn't. He's not really the
Speaker 1: right person for that job. So do something that's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun and reliable, and you're good at and just
Speaker 1: get off the stage. Your job as the host is
Speaker 1: the ViBe's curator. Yeah, like, leave with good vibes, make
Speaker 1: everyone have a good time. Don't be yelling about the writers.
Speaker 1: What did you expect the reaction was gonna be from
Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig about Barbie big boobies. Did you think she's
Speaker 1: gonna be laughing and cackling that everyone in that room
Speaker 1: was gonna be like hilarious Booby's joke about Barbie, Like
Speaker 1: this isn't a fucking middle school talent show with all
Speaker 1: boys in the audience, Like it's the Golden Globes. What
Speaker 1: did you think? Yeah, so, Bowe Yang, this is your
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Are you ready to absolutely
Speaker 1: tear and pop?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, boone Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: For me, personally, gratitude, I'm done with gratitude. It's time
Speaker 2: to shift into full ambition. In the words of Ashley Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm stoked on ambition and verb. I'm gonna get what
Speaker 2: I deserve. So full of ambition and verb, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get what I deserve.
Speaker 1: This is my thing.
Speaker 2: I made a whole playlist yesterday. I was like, I've
Speaker 2: been wallowing in gratitude, and I'm not wallowing, but I've
Speaker 2: been in gratitude for so long that I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: time to get out of the pool and actually reach
Speaker 2: for the stars, because it's time. Nasty nationalist amy acceptance
Speaker 2: speech lit a fire under my ass.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: You need to believe in yourself. In her press room speech,
Speaker 2: she said, that's why it's called self esteem, not Mama esteem,
Speaker 2: not them esteem fifteen seconds because nobody have to believe
Speaker 2: in it but you, and that is part of ambition.
Speaker 2: There is nothing wrong with being ambitious. It is time
Speaker 2: for us to scale new heights as a culture, as individuals,
Speaker 2: but collectively we are all getting out of gratitude for
Speaker 2: the current circumstances and reaching for something better.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's one minute. My sister is galvanized
Speaker 1: in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, the way this is the year? Really, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about vibes curation today Wednesday, January seventeenth, the
Speaker 1: vibes are fucking good.
Speaker 2: This is Can we say now that we've introduced the
Speaker 2: goblet of years twenty twenty four is year of years.
Speaker 1: Whoa twenty twenty four is the year of years. That's
Speaker 1: the title of app. Twenty four is the year of years.
Speaker 1: And you know what, we have to We have to
Speaker 1: put good vibes out there, okay, because there are forces
Speaker 1: of evil bowen all around. There are forces of evil
Speaker 1: that are going to try to make traders among us.
Speaker 1: There are traders among us, I'm serious. And there are
Speaker 1: forces that are going to try to make this year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four a bad year in retrospect. And we
Speaker 1: have to fight that with all of our might.
Speaker 2: We have to. And it starts here, Okay, it starts.
Speaker 1: Here recording this from the Iowa Caucus.
Speaker 2: We are in the cold.
Speaker 1: We have to fight.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are never to go to wins. Yeah, we've
Speaker 2: never even We are at Nikki Haley HQ.
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out what's next.
Speaker 2: We are trying to strategize. Honey girl, can I say
Speaker 2: before we go, you know what I've started doing this week?
Speaker 1: Berries?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? My thoughts are let's get treaded.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be three times a week at Barries for me.
Speaker 1: And let's try hard. You're jealous? Why are you jealous?
Speaker 1: That can be you?
Speaker 2: It literally can't. When I when I'm at work, there's
Speaker 2: just no I can do. I can put in once
Speaker 2: a week, but not three, and I need three.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do Monday. I could do Monday.
Speaker 2: I could do Tuesday if I I was gonna do
Speaker 2: Tuesday with just going to the gym. And then I
Speaker 2: couldn't because we had because we decided to move with
Speaker 2: you recording from Monday night to we did Tuesday morning
Speaker 2: because we were like, we have to talk about the Emmys.
Speaker 2: We wanted to just scoot and I have no regrets.
Speaker 2: But then the rest of the week is kind of
Speaker 2: kind of a bust. And then Sunday, I'm Cataitania.
Speaker 1: It's the best thing you can do at that point
Speaker 1: is just rest.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited you're doing berries. Can I say, what's
Speaker 2: worked wonders for me already?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I hate that I'm this person now and it's
Speaker 2: only gonna last like two weeks tops. I have meal prepped,
Speaker 2: protein rich foods, protein rich meals. I love it and
Speaker 2: it's working for me right now for my lifestyle because
Speaker 2: I am just like I don't.
Speaker 1: Care what I'm meaning.
Speaker 2: Really, I have the decision fatigue down. Let me just
Speaker 2: pop this chicken and broccoli sturfry with brown rice that
Speaker 2: I made on Sunday night in a huge walk. Let
Speaker 2: me put that in the microwave. And I'm eating protein
Speaker 2: at least thirty grams per meal, and I'm eating the
Speaker 2: Quest protein rich cookies. I'm eating these protein rich things
Speaker 2: because I'm like trying to what tell my body to
Speaker 2: burn the fat instead of the protein. That's awesome week,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 1: Already looking healthy choices, healthy life, healthy queen.
Speaker 2: Healthy wife, healthy wife, happy life, Tree, crimas Tree, Tree pain.
Speaker 1: Well should we tell everyone? So A while ago I
Speaker 1: said to Bowen, as I want to do, I gave
Speaker 1: him a new name. I said, hey, Christmas Jones, which
Speaker 1: is Denis Richards is the name of the James Bond films.
Speaker 1: And then Bowen goes turns to me and he points
Speaker 1: to me and he raises his eyebrow and he goes,
Speaker 1: Christmas Tree. I think you told me, girl, Christmas.
Speaker 2: Tree, Christmas Jones, Christmas Tree.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just like, wow, you're so right about
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I have Hey Christmas Jones Christmas Tree Tree.
Speaker 2: I think he even repeated, I think you said, hey,
Speaker 2: Christmas Jones, and I repeated, I said, Christmas Jones.
Speaker 1: Jones, Christmas Tree Tree, I said, let me sit back. Wow.
Speaker 1: What a thrilling episode this has been. It's the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year. It's the beginning of a new era
Speaker 1: of the year of years, of the year of years,
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four is the year of years. And
Speaker 1: that's how we're setting the tone.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited and thanks for joining us on this journey.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And before we do, ads, we're
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