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Speaker 2: like coming off of not that I was heavily involved

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Speaker 2: in any of this discussion, but like all respect to

435
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Speaker 2: Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson for oh yeah, like make

436
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: a film and like going with it and calling it

437
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: dicks the musical, right, Like God bless you for putting

438
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Speaker 2: musical in your title.

439
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Also, it's just like I don't believe

440
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: this thing. And I get that there's like empirical data,

441
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: but I don't believe this thing that people don't see musicals,

442
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: because wasn't it not that long ago that one of

443
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: the biggest hits of the entire year was Greatest Showman.

444
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, It's just like, what

445
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: about these examples that make a fuck ton of money?

446
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm naive, but isn't it just the movie

447
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: should be good?

448
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's so arbitrary, and I don't know so

449
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: the people I guess greenlighting it. Maybe Yeah, I guess

450
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: it's that thing where these studios are more and more

451
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: separated by this chasm of not knowing what the audience

452
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: is anymore. Right, it's just about the audience relationship, and

453
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: there are more and more agnostic things about capital T

454
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: capital A the audience, right, I'm speaking so absolutely.

455
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Speaker 1: But it's just weird because like you'd think that they

456
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: would understand that when you activate a demographic that you

457
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: can literally see activated over the things they love in

458
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: all media, like, for example, like in music, that demographic

459
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: literally even if the rastor movie never came out, even

460
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: if the errors tour never happened. You know how Gavanos

461
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I are for like Taylor Swift and Harry Styles and

462
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: like all those things. So why wouldn't you make something

463
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: for that market that can engage them and make them

464
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: dress up and make them like interact with each other

465
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Speaker 1: and like in some cases meet each other. You know

466
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Speaker 1: what I mean, to engage on this thing because we

467
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: know how powerful culture is. I mean, that's how we

468
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: do this podcast. It's like these things literally bring people together.

469
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: So it's just like the hesitancy about whether to put

470
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: mean girls in theaters to me is just like I

471
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Speaker 1: understand not wanting to just pull the trigger and just

472
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: do it, but like what a sure thing it is

473
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: to make money, at least from my preview, Like had

474
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Speaker 1: that bombed, I would have been really surprised.

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00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: Right, right, same thing kind of applies, but not quite

476
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: to color purple. Like right, it did great?

477
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially something that's like literally tried and true,

478
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: like both those things. I think. You know what must

479
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: have really scared people is the West Side Story of

480
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: it all. But genuinely, think about who the audience for

481
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Speaker 1: West Side Story was and when they were opening it,

482
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Speaker 1: Like it's not rocket science to find out that that

483
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: might not do well. It was a nostalgia movie geared

484
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: towards older people. It is unabashedly a musical, there's no

485
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: way to hide it. And it's long, and it was

486
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: pretty deep COVID. It was like a dark time for COVID,

487
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: So that to me shouldn't be a bell weather for

488
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: musicals in film, right.

489
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was kind of the like crater for

490
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Speaker 2: a second and now we're coming out of it.

491
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like, well, if that failed, we can't

492
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: do this genre. And I'm like, just because it's a

493
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: famous musical doesn't mean that people would want to see it.

494
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: Like I know fifty people who you say you want

495
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: to see me and girls in the musical dated at

496
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: least be like, oh, yeah, I definitely want to check

497
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: it out. I love the movie. You say, west Side Story,

498
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: that's a different askue.

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00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: Right, They're like I am not necessarily interested or I

500
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: am so emotionally attached to the original, like there are

501
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: a million reasons for people not to see.

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00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: It, yeah, yeah, yeah, or also like you know it's

503
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna be really sad. You know it's gonna be really dark. Yeah,

504
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Like as much as it's like that, and that's me

505
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: doing lay littl sharks and jets dance Like it's sad,

506
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: it's dark, it's deep.

507
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: Like you disrespect Leonard Bernstein again and.

508
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: He gonna always get it again and again it good again.

509
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: We got some blowback last week for our what we're

510
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: apparently hot takes.

511
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: People have really turned on me for my innocent not

512
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: innocent I was. I guess I was pretty like, uh,

513
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: who cares? But I'm like, you know, she'll be fine everyone.

514
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: But if people want to listen, listen, this is a

515
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to me. If your affinity for Rosamond Pike

516
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: is more important than our friendship, relationship or your relationship

517
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: to this podcast, I understand, and listen, go off, go off.

518
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: This actress who maybe has nothing in common with most

519
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: of us, Like, if you want to line up.

520
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: With that, go ahead, love someone someone DM this was

521
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: this was so it's a chill out my spine. Oh no.

522
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: And I didn't even say anything really negative about her.

523
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: I said, I do think she's pulled it off, said.

524
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: Some of this was.

525
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: It was funny moment. It was like a serial killer.

526
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Someone sent me a picture of her and said, you

527
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: will you will never be a challenged or a successful

528
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: The same person sent me the same thing and I

529
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, it sent a chill up my spine.

530
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I was like getting a message from the traders.

531
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: It's from the trail, which we have to talk about.

532
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: But I'm like, but in that moment, when I saw

533
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: that message, I laughed and I was like, well, this

534
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: bitch is clearly listening to the podcast.

535
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I was like, thanks for your readership.

536
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I went full Monica Garcia and I blocked. I was like, okay,

537
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: I actually also blocked. I almost responded to watch me, bitch,

538
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: but I just challenge accepted, challenge accepted on my way

539
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: to rosmand Pike levels of fame and success.

540
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: Bitch, I'll see you there.

541
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean, listen. I feel bad that she fell down

542
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: the stairs at Christmas and therefore she had to wear

543
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: that cage around her face at the Golden Globes, and I.

544
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: Think she's really talented. I disagree with my sister on

545
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: the basis of has she ever pulled it off? I

546
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: think that she has pulled it off.

547
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: And I and I said it as an asterisk, she

548
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: has pulled it off as well. Her dream is supreme.

549
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: First of all. Really, all I have to say is

550
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

551
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Want to talk about her anymore. But let's be finish this.

552
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: No no, but I will double down on this thing

553
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: about gone girl, because like people were like floored that

554
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: we would say that Reese Witherspoon would make a better

555
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Amy and Gone Girl. That's my opinion. In the words

556
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: of the Great Tamor Judge Hemmer Trader's Season two that's

557
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: my opinion. That's Bowen's opinion. We have a different view

558
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: on what would have made Amy effective in that movie.

559
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: If you think obvious Ice Queen from Go works better

560
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: for you, and you love the turn and you love

561
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: the way she did the cool girl monologue, congratulations. Many

562
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: millions agrees, so do Academy voters. That's incredible. I thought

563
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: she was good, but they're could have been more of

564
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: a misdirect in that characterization from the beginning. That's my opinion.

565
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: And if you don't think Reese Witherspoon is capable of that,

566
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: you have not seen the work you went to see.

567
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Ol. People are saying that we are pro recent in

568
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: this case because we want to work on her projects.

569
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: It's to say that we like, isn't getting anywhere near me.

570
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: It's so funny to be like, well, they probably want

571
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: to work with Reese. It's like, Babe, we want to

572
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: work with Emerald Finel too. It doesn't make us stop

573
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: saying we didn't think Saltburn was a ten, Like this is,

574
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: these are our opinions?

575
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: Can I get real? Either we are too filtered and

576
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: to like say it walking on eggshells because we're like

577
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: in the morass now with these people, or it's that

578
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: when we do express an honest, authentic, genuine opinion, it's

579
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: because we're like bitchy game, like you remember that we

580
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: have the wrong of it.

581
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: What do you want from us? People? That's all?

582
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: We love you guys. I never have felt any real

583
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: actual contempt for anything in this lost culturistas ethos, but like,

584
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: it's okay if you guys don't like the same movies

585
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: as us, it's okay. If we don't like the same

586
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: movies as you, it's fine. We're all having fun here.

587
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: It's actually art and subjective. Like someone said to me

588
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: that if we were talking about the SAG nominations, and

589
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: in my group chat, I was talking about, like, you

590
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: know who I might vote for because you know, bo

591
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: Andy Are and SAG and we get to vote for

592
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: this one. So I was like, you know, for Best Actress,

593
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: I might vote for Margot Robbie And people were like why,

594
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: oh God, And I was like, oh, because art is subjective,

595
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: and that's my opinion, and I don't think anyone else

596
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: could have played Barbie. I respect the way that she

597
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: crafted an arc of stereotypical perfection into human realization, into

598
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: full blown humanity. I don't think it was easy, you know.

599
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't see a ton of people producing their movies

600
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: the way that she seems to actively produce it. She

601
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: hasn't won a big award like this, and I liked

602
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: her performance and I'm torn between her and Emma, that's

603
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: my opinion. But people would treat me like it was

604
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: like a Jill Stein vote. I was like, I don't

605
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: care about being right or predictive. I am in the union.

606
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for the performance that I think was

607
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: the best. I have a lot of respect for Margot

608
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: Robbie and her characterization, and I've voted for her before

609
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: for SAG, I voted for her for Ititanya. I'm a fan.

610
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: That's my vote. That's my opinion. This is what makes

611
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: art a beautiful thing to discuss on a podcast like

612
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Class Culturista.

613
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of Tamra Judge, shall we move on to

614
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: The Trader season two?

615
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

616
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah we should.

617
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm so happy this show has returned.

618
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Oh, first of all, if you want to get into

619
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: Traders like you're so in luck, because there's the whole

620
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: first season of US, there's a great season of UK

621
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: and an excellent season of Australia, the same game familiar.

622
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: But really, what's so great about this is you see

623
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: how just the dynamics of a cast can change the

624
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: entire way and outcome and upper hand like that a

625
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: faithbook can have over a Trader. I also love all

626
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: the different hosts. But speaking about the second season of Traders,

627
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: I think we have probably the greatest reality TV cast

628
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: of all time. Every fandom is eating good, as they

629
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: would say, and I just can't I can't think that

630
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: they could have offered better fan service that also feels

631
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: like exciting, watchable gameplay and not just fan service. I

632
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: just can't think of a better way they could have

633
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: done it, Like the way it shook out is so iconic.

634
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Genuine moments of triumph in my viewing experience.

635
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: And let's just say not spoilers here. Spoilers. This is

636
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: spoilers for the first three episodes of Traders. Don't say

637
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: we didn't say it, Okay, continue, Sorry.

638
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll insert a little thing here to tell you

639
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: where to skip too. But I watched it with a

640
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: group of friends who have not seen any Traders before,

641
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: and everyone was remarking. We were all just laughing, applauding

642
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: at every single thing Alan coming was saying. Because I

643
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: think whenever drag Race wants to, like whenever Rupe Paul

644
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: even just wants to like take a step back from

645
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: racking up all these Emmies, like Alan deserves some kind

646
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: of recognition for the work he's doing here.

647
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: He's having so much fun doing it. He does look amazing,

648
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: and also he has It's like that thing when a

649
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: host is perfectly matched to yes the show, you know

650
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's in the fabric of that show.

651
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: And it's funny because when you do watch the international

652
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: versions from UK and Australia, it's the same vibe with

653
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: those hosts, like you buy it and you love it.

654
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: But there's something about Alan. He's just got this gravitas

655
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: that's also playful, that's also very authoritative, like just perfect.

656
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: And I hope for again, not that it really matters,

657
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: but like I hope for recognition for him at the

658
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: Emmys for this, and I'm hoping that all the Traders

659
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: needed to do was establish itself as a show. That's

660
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: like a real hit and a real zegeist moment, because

661
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean if the rubric, like I always say, is

662
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: could anyone else have done it this? Well, I don't

663
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: think anyone else does it as good as Allan No.

664
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: And speaking of that rubric, no one is doing it

665
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: as well as Parverty Shallow. And this is a spoiler,

666
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: there's a moment where she is recruited to the Traders. Yeah.

667
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: I launched out of my chair and applauded.

668
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: It was I mean, so I think that I was

669
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: praying to God when they said it was between the

670
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: four of them, because they were choosing between and this

671
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: was so long. They were choosing between Janelle from Big

672
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: brother who is an icon. Yeah, my sister is freaking

673
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: out about Dan and Janelle from Big Brothers. She's like,

674
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: you don't understand. They picked the two best people. She's like,

675
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be major. Like Dan is an icon,

676
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: like et cetera. Apparently he played the best game of

677
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Big Brother ever. And it's like funeral or something like

678
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: that was his own death or something. It's like very

679
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: very insane, but like it was between them Larsa, Sandra

680
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: and Parvety.

681
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: The Larsa thing, their logic was, let's break up that

682
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: couple of Larsa and Marcus. But the Sandra thing, I

683
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: mean you, you made a very good observation to Sandra

684
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: always plays best from the bottom.

685
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: From the bottom, she's a really amazing You can see

686
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: in her first two games of Survivor she has a

687
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: rough time yea. She plays defensively really well because people

688
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: just don't think they have to worry about her. And

689
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: then meanwhile she's been right under the surface, collecting, doing it.

690
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: She's carrying the bones. And then in her last two

691
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: games with Survivor, when her ego was sort of part

692
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: of her thing, Queen stays queen, et cetera, and she

693
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: plays very aggressively. I very clear she has to go.

694
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: And so what I'm seeing her do in Traders so

695
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: far is she's being a little bit more on the side.

696
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: She's playing as a faithful she's playing from the bottom.

697
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: So that makes her a threat.

698
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: Now I only remark on this because it is that

699
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: you're twenty twenty four, But for her to have a

700
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: substantial amount of money, yeah, from winning Survivor twice, and

701
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: that you're twenty twenty four to have full on braces

702
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: on TV. Now braces on TV and not in visiln like,

703
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: you can at least go for the invisile line.

704
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't think she should change a thing. I think

705
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Sandra should keep following her every in the morning iconic

706
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: she wakes up in the morning and opens her eyes.

707
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: She should always do the first thing that comes to

708
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: her mind. She cannot lose braces on TV as a

709
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: full grown woman who should have the money to work

710
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: around this. I say Chef's kiss.

711
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: She is so necessary right now, in this moment, in

712
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: this moment of reality television competition, specifically Survivor specifically where

713
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: everyone's like collectively rediscovering it. It's so important that she's

714
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: back on her televisions.

715
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: Oh and I will say, but I mean, surviver fans know,

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: you can't pick better people than Sandra and Parveny. You

717
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: just can't. Like that's like exactly right. And then I

718
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: would say the challenge people would probably say the same

719
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: thing about CT and Bananas and even Trischelle, Like those

720
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: are characters. Drag Race people had peppermint for a short time,

721
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: but you know, at least we had that and then

722
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: the how Housewives. They've chosen pretty fun housewives for this.

723
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean even Larsa, who's about as dumb as a rock, like,

724
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: has been showing a galvanization in the wake of Marcus's murder.

725
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: That's like really interesting.

726
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: It's very interesting because she's right, she's intuitive, and I

727
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: think they even, oh, no, this is I'm reading an

728
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: Agatha Christie book where someone says the way women form

729
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: their intuition is from like this like undercurrent of like

730
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: analyzing every single thing, every single input that comes their way,

731
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: and I think, like there is I think the Housewives

732
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: are actually everyone's like, oh, like even people on the

733
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: show are like, well, the Housewives aren't like physical players,

734
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: and they don't like they're very new to this whole

735
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: concept of reality competition. But it's like the Housewives have

736
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: this these antenna that are extremely useful for a game

737
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: like this, and Larsa has Dan's fucking number.

738
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it's also a mistake to not think of

739
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: Housewives as a game. I think a lot. I think

740
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: it's a mistake to think that they don't compete because

741
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: what you see every season, especially as the show has

742
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: become as a franchise, something that is really really really

743
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: embedded and feels like it does feel gamified in a way,

744
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, what you want if you are really

745
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: someone who wants to play this game and wants to

746
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: keep the check and wants to keep the spotlight and

747
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: wants to keep the platform, you want to be sitting

748
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: next to Andy on that couch. You want to be

749
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: safely let's call it center Diamond. And so you're playing

750
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: mind games on like another level, you know what I mean?

751
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Is it mentally healthy? Probably not. But for example, like

752
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: there were winners and losers of the recent salt Lake season,

753
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the winner of salt

754
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Lake was Heather this season, the loser was Monica. In

755
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: that social game, the Core four win, the Faithful's win.

756
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: The faithfuls wand oh my god, I need to rewatch

757
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: this season of salt Lake with the frame of this

758
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: is a season of the traders.

759
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. It was someone it was

760
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: someone with a knowledge the rest of them didn't have

761
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the entire time trying to make them feel comfortable, yeah yeah,

762
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: and trying to eliminate other people on that cast based

763
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: on lies. Like it's not that different. So to think

764
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: that a housewife can't win the show is a mistake.

765
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: Huge mistake. I'm curious to see how far Tamera goes,

766
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: obviously curious to see how far Phaedra goes.

767
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: I think is great.

768
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: They're not cutting to chart in the confessional at all,

769
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: which really is strange to me. And it must something

770
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: must have happened on the production side, where like it

771
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: wasn't usable or something, and like.

772
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Well, not everyone can get it's a large cast, and

773
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: not everyone can get airtime. And I feel like, right now, well,

774
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: it's two things, right, It's like one thing is like

775
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: they have to actually follow the game that's being played,

776
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: and another thing is based on a rewatch, you actually

777
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: have to be able to track the winner from the

778
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: first episode. Like that's just like an editing rule of

779
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: reality television.

780
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: But speaking of the editing, they're not investing in anything

781
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: that Jari's doing at all, which makes you go, don't win.

782
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: But like if he's sticking around for at least four episodes,

783
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: then like cut to her for us at least a

784
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: couple seconds. That's I don't know. I'm just a little confused.

785
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm thro they do a pretty good job on this

786
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: show of making it feel like everyone is a part

787
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: of the show when that literally can't be the case.

788
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: I do want to take this moment to say, over

789
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: the past two days, you know what I've done, I

790
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: finally binge watched this most recent season of Survivor. Forget

791
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: what you heard. This was a great season. This season

792
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: was excellent. It was the most dynamic relationships I've seen

793
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: on this show in a really long time. I am

794
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: confident calling it, I think the best season of the

795
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: new era it is. It's really good and the winner

796
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: is era. Yes, the winner is a ten. Wow, the

797
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: winner is a ten. I don't want to say anything

798
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: because I think you'll have fun watching it, but really compelling,

799
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: like strategic moves out of relationships and not just gameplay,

800
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: which I've been missing on this show for a really

801
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: long time, Like long scenes that are just establishing relationship

802
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: and storyline and character dynamics that I think make the

803
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: show really compelling. And it's great to see someone win

804
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: playing a great strategic game but also being really winning

805
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: in that respect. Ten out of ten, this was a

806
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: great season, and it starts weird because some of the

807
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: players are not odd but really really really worth it.

808
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: And I'm happy that I got to binge it all

809
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: in once, because that's the way I love to watch Survivor.

810
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: So how I trained myself to watch it during the pandemic.

811
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: But everyone jump in and anyone that watched it live

812
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: and was like, what are you doing? You got to

813
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: watch you were right? I finally did, and I love it.

814
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: I love to hear this. I love to hear this.

815
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: So are you predicting who are you predicting to win?

816
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Traders at this moment?

817
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's faithfuls are always at a disadvantage. And this

818
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: is if you've played enough games of Mafia or Werewolf

819
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know this already. Like there was real

820
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: period where we were playing this all the time at

821
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: Chinese school on Sundays, like it was the obsession, and

822
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: Mafia usually wins. It's really hard for these faithfuls to

823
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: root out who among them is deceiving, cunning, whatever. But

824
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: I think my opinion, and this is me being pretty

825
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: big brother illiterate, I feel like Dan is not as

826
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: smart as he thinks he is. He's not playing obviously,

827
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: like his scent is sort of wafting through the halls

828
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think that he's not making it

829
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: till the end, and I think that what's showing. What

830
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: was interesting about last season mild spoil if you haven't

831
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: seen the first season of The Traders us SII was

832
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: able to manage these boys, and what's happening now is

833
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: Dan thinks he can manage these women, but he is

834
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: in over his head. It's very much giving. I know

835
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: better because I'm a man. I'm sorry, that's just how

836
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: it's coming off to me.

837
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I think also, well, I was having this discussion the

838
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: other day, which is if I'm a contestant on The

839
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Traders and I look around and I'm someone who knows something,

840
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: and I look at someone like Dan, I look at

841
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: someone like Poverty, I'm thinking thinking, well, they're gonna want

842
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: to pick them as a Trader, yeah, because that's what

843
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: the audience wants to see. So I hear that argument.

844
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time, as someone who is like

845
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: a fan of several different franchises here, when they picked Fedra,

846
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised at all, because that to me felt

847
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: like Housewives fan service. And I feel like someone who

848
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: loves Big Brother feels the same way about Dan Da,

849
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: someone who loves Survivor feels the same way about poverty. Yeah,

850
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: And in that respect, you kind of can't really use

851
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: the logic of, oh, well, they had to pick them,

852
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: because every single fandom has that person and they can't

853
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 1: all be picked as traders. So like, if I'm there,

854
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: you have to go solely off gameplay. And that's where

855
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: knowing something about these franchises comes into play, because if

856
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: you see Dan acting weird, then Dan's acting weird, you

857
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Also, I think it's different when

858
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: everyone is a reality show person who's trained to think

859
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: in this psychotic way, where like you can't be quiet, damn,

860
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: Like you don't have the option of being quiet. You

861
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: look suspicious because you wouldn't be quiet.

862
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: Right, And Parvity, I think is doing great. I think

863
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: she's flying under the radar a little, Like all three

864
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: of these traders are a little too quiet for my liking.

865
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: But Parverty walking around with this Chalice was hilary, yes,

866
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's the gameplay that she's used

867
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: to No, And I had pure I had like real

868
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: anxiety watching her. I was like, oh my god, oh

869
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god, oh my god, she's being

870
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: so obvious. She's being so obvious. Yeah, like and readers

871
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: Kase public Is finalists. If you don't know what we're

872
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: talking about, just please please please try and watch this

873
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: as soon as you can. You won't regret it. But

874
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: part walking around with this goblet, I was like, she

875
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: is not used to this kind of like surreptitious behavior necessarily,

876
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: and the way that survivor you can sort of like

877
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: couture intentions in like communication. This is her with something physical,

878
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: being in like a crowd of people, so many variables

879
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: around her. It's it's a little panic inducing for me

880
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: as a viewer.

881
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where I think, like as a viewer,

882
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: you're just looking for things that they're not Like I

883
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: think us as viewers, we with the knowledge of poverty

884
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: as a trader walking around with that Childice, We're like,

885
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's so obvious. I genuinely think if

886
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: you're there, you might just forget that she could hand

887
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: you something that's a poisoned drink, you know what I mean.

888
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Like it's like like that's where it's. It really makes

889
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: it seem like it should be easier and more obvious

890
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: until you're doing it. I would imagine that I would

891
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: imagine it's like anything else where it's just like anyone

892
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: on the couch would be like, oh, I'd absolutely this,

893
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: like you should have seen me yesterday watching Star ivor

894
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: being like, well, here'd be my game plan, Like no,

895
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: it wouldn't.

896
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 2: Bitch, all that's are off when you're all that's are off.

897
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: But they couldn't have picked I mean, the outcome was incredible.

898
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean when I heard her voice laughing, I was like,

899
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, they actually picked her, and it was

900
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: similar to what you were saying, like I think. I

901
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: got up out of my seat and paced around. I

902
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: was like, I love my life.

903
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: I love my life. I hate how the Peppermint stuff

904
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: shook out and fucking Trischelle they still haven't spoken. I

905
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: saw a headline where Peppermin Tritill still haven't spoken because

906
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: Trischelle is a fucking loser.

907
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: I didn't love the way that shook out. I didn't like.

908
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: I just wish it didn't have to go that way.

909
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: One thing I'll say is like you do get the

910
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: sense that Peppermint is like a very big personality, and

911
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: you can like they do tend to leap on the

912
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: big personalities, especially early when they have nothing to go off.

913
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: But that whole situation with them talking and then Chelle

914
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: making Peppermint's reactions so much more than it was felt

915
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: like amplifying something in a negative way.

916
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're feeling, right, I know what

917
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: you're saying it. Yeah, we'll leave it at that.

918
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: Cut to Charat. I am not happy right now. Art

919
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: is so funny.

920
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Sharia is so funny that I hope she stays a

921
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: little bit longer than we expect her to, but we're

922
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: not expecting her to.

923
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: She's the bone collector, like she carries the bones. I mean,

924
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: you know me, I want Housewives supremacy, Like there would

925
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: be nothing I want more than to watch this be

926
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: all Housewives. Insane social tactics being used in Tamra interrogating

927
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: this man from Parliament about his asthma was completely out

928
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: of fam.

929
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: Tamra's gameplay so far. I'm like, okay, her asking like

930
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: Vernon Haaler when they're running. I'm like, pretty smart, pretty clever.

931
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: I think nothing's been as smart so far than Poverty

932
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: faking out that she was going to vote Dan crossing

933
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: out the D and.

934
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: Then yes, oh my god, I was obsessed with that.

935
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: She's just good. She's just thinking more than she just

936
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: hasn't missed the step. She has not missed a fucking step.

937
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the web in black Wood a Brigade,

938
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I was just thinking about

939
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: her thing with them what's his face in Micronesia? Of like,

940
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: who do you want to take to the end? Girls?

941
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

942
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: So such a great TV moment Charay though, I'm like,

943
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: have we talked enough on this podcast about the force

944
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: that is Chara Whitefield? Just like the staying power of

945
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: so many of the things that she said. I was

946
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: with Tomas Modos the other day and like, oh, I'm joah.

947
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: We were laughing and then someone was talking about like

948
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: the beat of a song, and then like immediately they

949
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: launched it too. Definitely I liked I like to like,

950
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: I like the beat.

951
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: I like to beat.

952
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: And if you go check me boo?

953
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: Of course I watched who Go and Check Me a Boo?

954
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: Frequently And my sister, who's like a huge big brother

955
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: and cyber fan, doesn't know how his wives. She was like,

956
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: how do I know who these people are? I just

957
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: sent like four clips that would get them all across,

958
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: and of course I sent who Going Check Me a Boo?

959
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: And she was like my sister was streaming, screaming, laughing

960
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: at like what played out? What transpire between Shreg and

961
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: the party planner. I mean it's like kind of television,

962
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: so good customer service, customer.

963
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: And then and then whatever happened to Hello, how are you?

964
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: My name is?

965
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: My name is? How are you are you? My name?

966
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: My name is?

967
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: And then and then the thing that gets overlooked in

968
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: the simmer Spring Summer moment is Candy is Candy going

969
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: like he's asked me like when it's coming out or something.

970
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: And then and then tore Goo's it's quiet like like

971
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: like brushes her off. And then he goes, Okay, well

972
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't clear, and sregoes, you're not being clear, Atlanta.

973
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: We have to say, Atlanta.

974
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: We have to save our girls. Girls.

975
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you like so of course, like there's

976
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: been interview. I'm obsessed with the traders, like I cannot stop,

977
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: and so I'm watching all their interviews and like trying

978
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: to suss out, like based on what they're saying in

979
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: the interviews with like ET or whatever the fuck online,

980
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: like like whether or not they stay. I was watching

981
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: an interview with Shrey and they were like, what's up

982
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: with Real Housewives of Atlanta? Like when are we gonna hear?

983
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, there's gonna be a cast

984
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: shake up. And I was like, please God, like, let's

985
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: fix Atlanta. And by fixing Atlanta, I don't mean fire everybody,

986
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: because I understand why that needed to happen to for

987
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: New York. I'm not there yet with with Atlanta.

988
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: But what do you think, like Drew Sonya Marlowe gone, I.

989
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: Think they have to go. I just don't think marlow

990
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't think Marlowe is.

991
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: She does not hold the peach.

992
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's positive, you know what I mean, Like,

993
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I just it feels I don't know, it just feels

994
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: like something dark sided about it. Whereas like I think

995
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: we can move forward with Kenya Candy, Well, Candy's so

996
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: hugely popular that you kind of can't just like fire her,

997
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: but like I don't think she gives great story, but

998
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: maybe she could. And then Charay and you know, I

999
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: just I want the classic girls, you know Atlanta in

1000
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: the seasons where Porsha was there, where Faedra was there,

1001
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: where Cynthia Bailey was there, like you know, not to say,

1002
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: but like Nini in her prime, there was no one better. Obviously,

1003
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: we'll never get those days back because nin is never

1004
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: coming back. But we could do it. We could do

1005
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: it with these great characters that we know and love.

1006
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: It's it's just I don't know, it has to make sense.

1007
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: It has these they have to have real relationships. It's

1008
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: like any of the shows.

1009
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brick Ashley did a whole video essay about how

1010
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: Potomach is in its flot I watch it an article.

1011
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the whole thing about how like how

1012
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: disappointing it is to have, you know, when Dey and

1013
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Neca against each other, the way that they are based

1014
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: on culture and based on you know, heritage, and it's

1015
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: really ugly. And they really called out the way that

1016
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: it feels like the goalposts do move for certain cast members.

1017
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's in its flop ear.

1018
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: I would agree, But I'm so thrilled that Brooke Ashley

1019
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: shares our opinion, which is break up or just get

1020
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: rid of entirely the Green Eye biendas.

1021
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: She was making a really good point about how Beverly

1022
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: Hills this season is so because because they got rid of,

1023
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, a toxic element of the group. And I

1024
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: say this as someone who has really liked has done before.

1025
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, like we know what the

1026
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: show is with gizl. You know what I'm saying. It's like,

1027
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: we know I'm bored. We know what the environment and

1028
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: the setting and the feel of the show is with

1029
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Giselle at the center, and it's not working anymore, and

1030
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it will be a lot better at

1031
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: this point, like it can't get worse, and I don't

1032
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: think Pasona can get worse.

1033
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: What a hateful person. I will say it till the

1034
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: day I die. Giselle, Brian, God, you are a canker

1035
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: on this state.

1036
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna get dms now that are like I don't

1037
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: picture pictures of Gazel being like you will never be

1038
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: as talented and successful as.

1039
00:57:52,720 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: Bring them forth, Come forth? Oh thoughts on yes?

1040
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: And I like yes and a lot like it's so funny,

1041
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: Like I knew when I was first hearing it, I'm like, oh,

1042
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like I don't know about this,

1043
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: and then in two sbins they're gonna be like it's

1044
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: my favorite song. And that's what happened. I just was

1045
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: like trying to put myself in the mind frame of

1046
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: like this is going to be a fucking moment. I

1047
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: happen to like it from the very beginning, Like I

1048
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: really did like the song, but there was that reaction

1049
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: that I could tell was gonna happen, which is, I

1050
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: might need to listen to this a bunch of times.

1051
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: And now it feels like people are turning a corner

1052
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: and liking it. But it certainly feels like an installment

1053
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: in that type of song we've been getting again and again,

1054
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: which is that like house, you know, House inspired, like

1055
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, summer bop, Like it's certainly in vogue right

1056
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: now to do this type of song, but it's also

1057
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: like very essentially Ari. I feel like her DNA is

1058
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah.

1059
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: I love the swing of You're not getting a vocal

1060
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: from me until it's forty five seconds into the song.

1061
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I have a different opinion on

1062
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: this because I think after recording the album, I really

1063
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: have an appreciation for just how layered and like textured

1064
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: she is in all of her music, even if she's

1065
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: not like belting down like right, just listen to the

1066
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: little harmonies in like little places where there's vocals and

1067
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: like really extra color and just like she's two things.

1068
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: She's an amazing singer, she's also an amazing recording artist.

1069
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: And I really like the way that she creates her

1070
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: like scape, like I just I'm really into it, Like

1071
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm really listening to positions again in the album which

1072
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: was like fucking shit in the Pandemic it was for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying is it's like I think

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: a lot of her music people call growers because they're

1075
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: not appreciating appreciation. They're not appreciating just how fun and

1076
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: how much there is and like her more quote unquote

1077
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: simple music where she's not singing to the rafters.

1078
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: But the consistent thing with her her stuff is that

1079
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: it's always technically very lush. And have you seen this

1080
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: this video that she put up of her It's like

1081
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: I want to say, like five to six seven eight

1082
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: minutes long of her like on pro tools, Yeah, picking

1083
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: the takes, going back being like well, I sound like

1084
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm actually speaking English in this one, like she like

1085
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: you hear her thought process and she's teaching Max like

1086
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: the shortcuts and like how to do things in proach,

1087
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: Like she's telling Max Martin like little production things, you

1088
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like she like she is this

1089
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: like technical person literally on like the software level. Yeah,

1090
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: in a way that I think people are finally starting

1091
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: to appreciate. Yeah, because they think of old they think, oh,

1092
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: like singer, the singer, and the looks and the makeup

1093
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: and the know all this stuff. But it's like this

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01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: is a fully rounded artist.

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01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: She is very intentional and thoughtful about what she wants

1097
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: to say in each song she thinks of. She is

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: an album artist down she has this very holistic view

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: on things. In terms of her body of work. She

1100
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: is really excited. That's all I can say firsthand.

1101
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she I mean, she's kind of got all the tools.

1102
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: She's a great singer. She's like a really adepth producer.

1103
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: She's someone who can create her own work lyrically. She

1104
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: also has great taste, and she also has a really

1105
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: really really strong individual brand. All that stuff that comes together,

1106
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: like it's kind of unbeatable and really sets her apart

1107
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: I think from a lot of other people, you know

1108
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's and so therefore it feels

1109
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: like she can kind of do whatever she wants to

1110
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: do and people aren't going to be like, they're never

1111
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna say Ari flop era, They're just not. And even

1112
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: when she goes through her you know, publicized struggles, right like,

1113
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: she's always going to have her gift and her talent,

1114
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: and it feels like she's always able to kind of

1115
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: divert back to that in a way that I think

1116
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: is like a kind of crucial in an era where

1117
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: people are always going to be up in the business

1118
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: and think that they know better and be like something

1119
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: where maybe if she does make a mistake, she always

1120
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: has that you know what I'm saying. It's like it's

1121
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: six of one and no one knows really what's actually

1122
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: going on, but everyone knows that she's fucking talented as fuck.

1123
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. Can I quickly shout out

1124
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: one one other thing before we move on Waxahatchie new

1125
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: single right back to it excellent, beautiful if you're a

1126
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: Waxahachi fan, subscribe to her substack and she like is

1127
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: really writing some beautiful pieces, like long form things about

1128
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: how like she's writing me songs and it's really interesting.

1129
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm so excited she 'ose back. She did send me

1130
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: the whole album that's coming out in March. It is great, fantastic.

1131
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm so, so so excited. Now I'm going to reach out.

1132
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I want to hear it.

1133
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: Katie, Katy, Crutch, Gil come on, Crutch, come on, Crutch

1134
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: up prior guest of the pod of course, if you

1135
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: were aware. Okay, that's all so.

1136
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: Speaking about when you say prior guest, I think that

1137
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Balin and I want to take this opportunity to just

1138
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: talk about the podcast and just talk about how in

1139
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: our ninth season we want to evolve and we want

1140
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: to feel like the podcast is while this is so fun,

1141
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: not always us just talking about the culture catchup, because

1142
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: let's just be real. As you guys have seen, we

1143
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of guests anymore. And that's for

1144
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: a couple reasons. I think that I can say for

1145
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: us like we've gotten busier, and I think that while

1146
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: the guests are incredible, they require a certain amount.

1147
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: Of prevage our alignment.

1148
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's just a lot going on. And the

1149
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: truth is that Bowen and I really like just doing

1150
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: it like this, and it's no shade to the concept

1151
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: of guests, and we're not saying we're not going to

1152
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: have guests, but it's just shook out the way that

1153
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: this is the way the podcast is happening now and

1154
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: we love it. And you know, in the next few months,

1155
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: like leading up to our four hundredth episode, which is

1156
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: so exciting, Bowen and I aren't going to be in

1157
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: the same place because I have to remain in Los

1158
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Angeles for good reasons and Bowen has to be in

1159
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: New York for what we know are good reasons. So

1160
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: we wanted to think of a way to create a

1161
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: new element of the podcast, and we came up with

1162
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: something that we're pretty excited about.

1163
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: We have not really named it. And is that an

1164
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: important piece to this you think? Or no, I think

1165
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: we should index what this is because it is not

1166
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: quite a segment. It is a new facet of the

1167
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: full prism of the podcast. Yeah, but basically, what we're

1168
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: gonna do is we are going to randomly.

1169
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: Oh, you have it, Okay, a goblin. I have a

1170
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: goblet in my hands, so bowing before. But the reason

1171
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: I was two minutes late to the zoom and I

1172
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: can admit to being two minutes late to the zoom

1173
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: is because so this is what happened. Bow When texted

1174
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: me the other day and he made a great point,

1175
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: which was that you know a lot of times, like

1176
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: especially like in podcasting now, where it feels like there's

1177
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: a million a lot of people are doing the thing

1178
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: of two people talking, and we just want to make

1179
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: sure that we feel ahead of this thing and don't

1180
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: make it feel like what was that article that you said,

1181
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: like results in like over indulgent blood when people are

1182
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: just talking to each other.

1183
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: This is a piece in Byline, which is lovely, lovely,

1184
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 2: lovely new online publication that is really trying to fill

1185
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: in this really sad, huge gaping hole in media right

1186
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: now where like there is no place for new writers

1187
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: to start, Like we're not in a time of like

1188
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: man Repeller, Gawker, like you know, Roocky mag anymore. And

1189
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: as all these things get like bought out by these

1190
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: bigger media entities, and it's very sad. And anyway, it's

1191
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: quite sad. But they did a whole profile on these

1192
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: on the two founders in the New York Times that

1193
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: I thought was really interesting. But someone writes this piece

1194
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: about podcasting becoming overcrowded. We know this to be true already.

1195
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: I sent Matt this little excerpt. Podcast need to embrace

1196
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: these analogy. The trend towards open ended podcast leads to

1197
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: over indulgent glut and ultimately audience fatigue. Creating podcasts with

1198
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: different themes and seasons allows those making them time to

1199
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: ebb and flow and fold in new ideas.

1200
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: This is a new idea, and we're very excited about it. Yeah,

1201
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna be doing it all the way

1202
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: up until our four hundredth episode. I have a goblet

1203
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: in my hands, and this is the goblet of cultural years.

1204
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: So these are there are fifty years in this goblet,

1205
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: and so every episode we're going to at the end

1206
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: pick out of the goblet of cultural years and whatever

1207
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: year that is, and it's the most recent fifty years,

1208
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: we are going to on the following episode do a

1209
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: full cultural excavation. We're going to be talking about the

1210
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: news of this day, the pop culture of this day,

1211
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: how they interacted, what the top games were, yes, sorry,

1212
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: what the top films were, what the top music was,

1213
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: what the top stories were, What was happening to the

1214
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: girls in this year, What we remember of this year

1215
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: if we were alive, what we can find out about

1216
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: this year and do a full blown cultural excavation on

1217
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: that year, sort of calling back to the very origin

1218
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: of this podcast, which is Last Culture Recess. We are

1219
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: culture curators and excavators, so we are really excited about

1220
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: this because it's going to not be homework but also

1221
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: be educational culture and this podcast being mentioned in academic work.

1222
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't really think of a better move

1223
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: for us in terms of us getting an honorary degree

1224
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: from Harvard one day.

1225
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, absolutely, that is the goal here,

1226
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: and I am very excited. I am so curious to

1227
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: see what this first year is should we find out,

1228
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: Let's find out, Let's find out.

1229
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: Of reaching into the goblet of cultural years, and this

1230
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: will be on our next episode. We will be deep diving,

1231
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: twirling and thriving in the year that I pick out,

1232
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: and it's in my hand right now. That year is bowing.

1233
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: The gods are shining on us. I'm because this was

1234
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: a culturally ripe year and it's an important year for

1235
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: you and I. Nineteen eight, two thousand and nine, two

1236
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: thousand and nine will be the year that we culturally

1237
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: excavate on the next episode of Last Culturistas. I mean,

1238
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm already bursting at the seams. This was such a.

1239
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: I already know what I'm gonna talk about. DJ Earworms,

1240
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: United States of Pop Mashup. That was his best work.

1241
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 2: That was one of the best mashups in the history

1242
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 2: of mashups. It's mashup culture. We're talking about mashup culture.

1243
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: We're talking about girl talk, We're talking about all the

1244
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: pop girlies. I'm so excited.

1245
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: You know what happened is the culture gods. They actually

1246
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: heard us say Katie Perry teenage dream earlier in that yeah,

1247
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, let's get truly into it

1248
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: on the next episode of Last Culture. Wow. I didn't

1249
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: realize how much I love this idea until we did this.

1250
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: I can't think of a better year.

1251
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: This is good. So you can now think of Last

1252
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Culturistas as the occasional guest will come on. If there's

1253
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: anything really, really insane that's happened in the culture, we

1254
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: might do a full culture catch up. Think of Last

1255
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: Culture is just going forward as a third culture catch up,

1256
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: a third cultural excavation from the hands of the goblet

1257
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: of culture, and then a third I don't think so, honey,

1258
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: in the aftermath, how about that? I love that?

1259
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: And obviously the pie chart is going to be a

1260
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: little uneven at times. I don't think So Honey might

1261
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: take up a mere three minutes all told, but we're excited.

1262
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: I think this is nothing is really fundamentally changing about

1263
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: the podcast, and it's a thrill and we're very excited,

1264
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: but it has.

1265
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: To remain fresh, you know what I mean? Like, and

1266
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that this is just something that if you

1267
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: really think about it, like, I don't think I ever

1268
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: have more fun than when we're doing our like you know,

1269
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: our rankings and our lists and our stuff like that.

1270
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is like in the family

1271
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: of that in a way that we can make a

1272
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: permanent part of the podcast. I'm like, super excited about it. Yes,

1273
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: let's go into I don't Think So Honey. On that note,

1274
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm into it.

1275
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: What even is that I don't Think So Honey is

1276
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: our segment we've done every episode where we take one

1277
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 2: minute each to go into a diatribe about something that's

1278
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: really bothering us in the culture. And do you have something,

1279
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: Matt Rodgers, I do.

1280
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 3: I do.

1281
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: I we missed a Golden Clobes recap when we did

1282
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: our last episode because we recorded it right prior.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I have something to say, Okay, this is exciting,

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Speaker 2: this is Matt Rogers's I don't think so many as

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Speaker 2: time starts now, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think so honey, that ten days is not enough

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Speaker 1: time to put together jokes for a Golden Globes monologue.

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Speaker 1: I understand that it's a really high profile gig, and

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Speaker 1: watching it, I even think sometimes this is a no

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Speaker 1: win gig. But you have ten days to put together

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Speaker 1: what is essentially really only has to be a five

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Speaker 1: to ten minute bit. And I'm not dragging because I

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Speaker 1: feel like he's been dragged enough. But Joe Koi has

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Speaker 1: been in the game since nineteen ninety four, so I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that he knows a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: he could have gotten together to put a rum together.

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Speaker 1: And also that room could have included people who really

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Speaker 1: cared about or knew about those movies. Because the fact

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Speaker 1: that we ended up with a situation where we have

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Speaker 1: to compare Oppenheimer, whose story was based on a book,

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Speaker 1: to Barbie, whose story was based on a doll with

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Speaker 1: big boobies. It was humiliating, and that was a really

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Speaker 1: early joke to throw your writers onto the bus. You

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Speaker 1: didn't picked the right writers. You are given the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of a lifetime. Don't blame it on everything else. Ten

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Speaker 1: days is a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: That's one minute.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like to be noted a

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Speaker 1: thing like this. You've written for the Globes. If you

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Speaker 1: can provide some insight into this, I would love to

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Speaker 1: hear it. It just felt ridiculous to me that that

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Speaker 1: a ended up what it was quality wise, and B

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Speaker 1: that the story ended up being what it was, which

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Speaker 1: is well, production was such a nightmare. I only had

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Speaker 1: ten days stop up, up up By now I'm spinning

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Speaker 1: out publicly.

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Speaker 2: So on that note, we got there for the year

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Speaker 2: that Andy Saberg and Sandra Oh hosted. I think like

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Speaker 2: six days, six or five days of lead time. I agree,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's ten days to write eight minutes, right,

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Speaker 2: and maybe come up with like two three quick little

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Speaker 2: bits interstitially throughout the show, whether that's something in the audience,

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Speaker 2: something on stage, something outside of whatever. Right, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of latitude there. You were well resourced to. Like

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Speaker 2: the reason I went was because it was it was

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Speaker 2: my first season working at SNL, and like there was

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Speaker 2: this sort of I think Sandra wanted some Asian writer.

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Speaker 2: So I went, Karen, she went, and Sudi and Fran

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Speaker 2: had written for her. I'm just it's an honor to

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Speaker 2: be Asian. Thing at the Emmys that summer, so like

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Speaker 2: they were able to have their pick of who was

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Speaker 2: right for them. I would imagine Joe Koy had the

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Speaker 2: same latitude. So all that being said, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just to matter though, of this guy

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Speaker 2: not being embedded in that room. Right, it's everyone being like,

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Speaker 2: who is this guy? He's not one of us? And

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Speaker 2: then you put that together with the jokes being what

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Speaker 2: they were.

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Speaker 1: They were rough and also one of the lamer jokes

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Speaker 1: of it in that it wasn't even a hard joke

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Speaker 1: but got a lot of pick up for no reason.

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Speaker 1: Was this Taylor Swift thing this?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: First of all, there's not a more innocuous joke than

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Speaker 1: one difference between the Golden Globes and the football whatever

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Speaker 1: is that there's left cuts to Taylor Swift first of all.

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Speaker 1: Then they cut to her. She didn't look pissed. She

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Speaker 1: was just playing along, like looking pissed and taking a

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Speaker 1: sip of her champagne. I don't think there's anything negative

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Speaker 1: about that. That she acted. I just thought, like there's

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Speaker 1: a fervor around that joke because of her fan base,

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Speaker 1: because of her what it is? Yeah, yeah, that was.

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Speaker 1: That was like a perfectly whatever, middle of the road

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Speaker 1: like five of a joke at that show. There were

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Speaker 1: some truly heinous jokes at that show, which I think

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Speaker 1: is exactly what you're saying, the root of it being

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Speaker 1: he doesn't fucking care about this opportunity. I would doubt

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Speaker 1: that he watches these movies.

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Speaker 2: I have to be told, Ali Wong had to tell him,

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Speaker 2: Like they were asking him, like what was the advice

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Speaker 2: Like before the show, they were like, what advice have

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Speaker 2: your friends given you? Your fellow comedians given you. He

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Speaker 2: was like, well, Ali Wong, my good friend told me

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Speaker 2: to watch all the movies. Yeah, which I don't think

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Speaker 2: made a difference at all. Like I don't think like

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Speaker 2: you could tell that he had even his whole thing

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Speaker 2: if I didn't have a New Year's I was watching

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Speaker 2: all these movies while everyone else is stringing champagne. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: none of that showed.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't I mean, you didn't. That wasn't. None of

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Speaker 1: that was in the Like you made a joke about

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Speaker 1: Barbie's Boobies. Why did you watch all the movies that

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Speaker 1: you should have had a New Year's.

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Speaker 2: It's like your writers are going to watch all these

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Speaker 2: movies and write jokes about that. I don't quite know

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Speaker 2: who these people ended up being. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's anyone that we know, which is neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's complicated because it's just like a

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Speaker 2: perfect shit storm of stuff, like he blames them, he panics.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's every bad, rough, worst case scenario thing transpired.

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Speaker 2: What's sad to me is that this is like pulling

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Speaker 2: in all these conversations about is there a need for

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Speaker 2: a host? It kind of feeds into this larger cultural

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Speaker 2: conversation that we're all having about or not that we're

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Speaker 2: all having that they're all that's in the back of

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Speaker 2: our minds about comedy and about how like if hard

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Speaker 2: comedy has a place anywhere, Because if hard comedy has

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Speaker 2: no place at award shows, if like someone can't go

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Speaker 2: up there and open the show with like jokes about

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Speaker 2: the movies and about the people there, then like where

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Speaker 2: does it belong? Where does it exist? Like it's harder

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Speaker 2: and harder to get movies made about that are hard

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Speaker 2: comedies and TV shows to be categorized or even like

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Speaker 2: exists as that like there is nowhere to go anymore

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Speaker 2: for comedians. It's really sad to me that this is

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Speaker 2: like a sidebar conversation that we're having in the wake

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that here's the thing that we have

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Speaker 1: to remember, is that there actually have been great performances.

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Speaker 1: Yes of hosting these shows. It gets lost, but the

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Speaker 1: year of Regina Hall, Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer, that

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Speaker 1: year of the Slap, they did a great job hosting

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Speaker 1: the show. They literally this last weekend Chelsea Handler say

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Speaker 1: what you want. She was the type of person who

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Speaker 1: should be hosting a show like the Critics' Choice Awards.

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Speaker 2: You know what did amazing last week at the Governor's Thing.

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Speaker 1: Right and Anthony Anderson last night, like I didn't love

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Speaker 1: the Turning Bitch Charming perfectly Charming had like a place there,

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Speaker 1: kept the pace, like got the vibes to be at

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Speaker 1: a certain place, like where it felt good, joke away

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Speaker 1: coming in, like it was a specific vibe that he

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Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable, didn't want to be there, and was just

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Speaker 1: badly advised about how to set up his bit, because

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Speaker 1: at least the party that I was at, like people

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Speaker 1: just got up and walked away because it was too uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: So in it was it was, it was hard to watch,

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Speaker 1: but then it got worse when he spun out and

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Speaker 1: blames it on all these things. But to say that

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Speaker 1: a comedian can't host this show, like that's just not true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we see it happen all the time. It's

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Speaker 1: just that that job sometimes feels no win because when

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Speaker 1: people do do an amazing job, it's not the story. Right,

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Speaker 1: When people do a bad job, it's the story. And

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to like help that narrative. I guess

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's a cop out to say

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Speaker 1: that you didn't have enough time or that the writers

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Speaker 1: didn't serve you, because I'm sorry, but I don't buy

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Speaker 1: that as a comedian, like and other people that I

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Speaker 1: talked to, like ten days would be more than enough time,

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Speaker 1: if you even wanted to be there with fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of your being, it would be more than enough time.

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Speaker 1: What else do you have to do on the schedule

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Speaker 1: that's more important than like an internationally watched television show

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Speaker 1: where your job is to just for five to eight

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Speaker 1: minutes or whatever it is, just set a good tone

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Speaker 1: and make jokes. Yeah. Yeah, that's the part of it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like, is this this idea of this narrative

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Speaker 1: being built that like that wasn't enough time, Like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but give me a break.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I'm here to say that, like we

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Speaker 2: had less time the year that Andy and Sandra hosted,

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Speaker 2: and that's what.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Joekoy though, I mean perfectly respectable, serviceable comedian. That sounds

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01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: so fucking shady of me to say, but like a

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Speaker 2: solid successful comedian.

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Speaker 1: Like no, he's great. I mean, like it just that

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Speaker 1: just wasn't his venue.

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: It just wasn't the venue. And Joe Koi though, if

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Speaker 2: you were, if you want to see more of him,

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01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: he plays my Little Henchman and the Monkey King on that, and.

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Speaker 1: I bet he's great in that because I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: wanted to. I'm sure he wants to be in the booth,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I know, I guess

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Speaker 1: my thing is just like there's so many people that

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Speaker 1: would want that job. I know, like that would do

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: an amazing job at that, Like that would treat it

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: like an opportunity because I don't know, like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that audience wants to hate the host. I just

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01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: don't like that audience wants to have a good time.

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Speaker 1: That audience has a sense of humor about itself, like

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Speaker 1: and if they don't like and the joke is good enough,

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01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: then whatever I mean, like part of yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: what it is part of.

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Speaker 2: The reason why people go to those award shows. People

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Speaker 2: watch award shows. It look, look, the words thankless job

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Speaker 2: had been thrown around so much since those Golden Globes

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Speaker 2: that I'm like questioning whether or not that's even true.

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Speaker 2: And I'm starting to think maybe it's not because people

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Speaker 2: go to those shows and watch those shows because it's

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 2: giving Hollywood, you know what I mean, And like right,

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Speaker 2: someone coming out and like doing the hosting thing is

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Speaker 2: like a huge part of it. There is Like I

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Speaker 2: just remember growing up and watching Billy Crystal would be

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Speaker 2: being like it was the reason I watched. Half the

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01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: reason I watched was just to see what like Billy

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Speaker 2: Crystal would do. And then when Woopy came down from

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Speaker 2: the fucking ceiling of the Kodak Theater, being like I

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: am the sexy Beast. I was like, this is blowing

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01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: my mind, Like there is a way not to be

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: all nostalgia pilled about this, but like and not to

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01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: be all like make blank great again. But it's like this,

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01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 2: there is this way back to that. I'm so sure

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: of it. It really bums me out now that we

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 2: talk about this that, like I think it's another cop

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01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 2: out to be like get rid of hosts entirely. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

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01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: please let's not. Let's please not. This is actually a

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Speaker 2: secret place for comedians to like try new things, break out.

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: It's it is like, for lack of the better term,

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01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 2: a captive audience for comedians right in a way that

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Speaker 2: like we don't get other places.

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Speaker 1: I also think, like there is absolutely a world where

1495
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: you make a good joke about Taylor Swift and her

1496
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: fans actually like it, you know what I mean, Like

1497
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: maybe you have to be more intentional about what that

1498
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: joke is. Okay, so what like she's far and away

1499
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stars in that room, Like she's there,

1500
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make a joke about it. I

1501
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: honestly think the reason why that totally innocuous joke hit

1502
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: the way it did is because the vibes had been

1503
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: so rancid in the lead up to that joke. He

1504
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: had already been flopping. I think there was no coming

1505
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 1: back from that Barbie joke, right. That cut to Greta

1506
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: in the audience after that Barbie joke, I know she's

1507
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: being a good sport about it now and being like, yeah,

1508
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 1: it didn't bother me. That was not a good vibe

1509
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: at all. That was really really rough.

1510
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: It was not for nothing of golden globes. That had

1511
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 2: moments and like between the Joe thing, it kept the

1512
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: conversation going about the whole award show, the whole Selena whispering,

1513
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: like the mouthwats like the tailor of it all, the

1514
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: Timmy and Kylie of it all, Timmy and like Io

1515
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 2: winning her award, like Ali and Wong and Bill Hatter kissing.

1516
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, there were just it gave us moments and

1517
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what a word show should be,

1518
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: except for the host bombing. That's the only note I have.

1519
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: But you know what, even that is kind of a

1520
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 1: Tell's oldest time, you know what I mean, Like we remember,

1521
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: like we remember famously David Letterman hosted the Oscars and

1522
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst, Yeah, hosting performances of

1523
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: all time. It didn't hurt him in the long run.

1524
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: I think it was just like a hazard of the trade.

1525
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you host these things, you're gonna bomb. I

1526
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: guess it's just like, if you're gonna bomb, don't also

1527
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: show us the seams like that. It's not even fun

1528
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: like in real time right, Like it was just it's

1529
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: like to blame the especially after everything that we've been

1530
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,959
Speaker 1: through with the strikes, to be like the writers flopped

1531
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: and you know what, no one's perfect. And again like

1532
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm not like saying, like Joe Coy's a bad comedian.

1533
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: He was the wrong person for this job. And if

1534
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: you know that's true, and if you know it's not

1535
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: something you're gonna do, well, don't say yes to it. Yeah,

1536
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it helped anyone, like by saying yes

1537
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: to something. And maybe it got in his head too

1538
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: that everyone else had passed and he wasn't the first

1539
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: choice at that point. It's like make your decision then

1540
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: based on that feeling. But there's even a way around

1541
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the I'm not like you element to it, like who

1542
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: is this guy? He's not one of us, Like the

1543
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: way that Tina Amy and Ricky Dervais all were in

1544
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: their own way successful, and with Ricky, I'm like, I

1545
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: don't quite know about that. Is that like they felt

1546
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: like they were like ingratiated into that space, right. Mulaney

1547
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: did the best thing at his Oscars thing where he

1548
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just like one of you. Let me

1549
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: read an email like a casting email, and it was

1550
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: a great play into a great joke. I was like,

1551
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: that's how you do it, is that you like make

1552
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: a joke about how you aren't one of them, and

1553
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: then that kind of like dusts off that shelf and

1554
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: then you get to like put whatever you want on it,

1555
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Would you ever want to

1556
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: host the Golden Globes? Not the Globes?

1557
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Maybe no award show? And actually I don't know. It

1558
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: seems like the culture needs to get into a better

1559
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: place first, Like the culture is bad right now, because

1560
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: like award shows are bad because the culture is bad.

1561
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: And I know that's a cop out answer, but it's

1562
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: like that's my answer for so many things.

1563
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Anyway, I.

1564
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Would only do it with you.

1565
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: I know, we would crush because you would have fun

1566
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: with it because this is what we talk about all year. Also,

1567
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: like you just have to have fun, just have fun

1568
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: with it, and then they have fun. I don't know,

1569
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's just simplistic of me to boil it down

1570
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: to that, but like there's got to be a sense

1571
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: of fun and like, you know, sense of wanting to

1572
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: be there. If you have fun and you want to

1573
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: be there, they'll have fun and they'll want to be there.

1574
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: What Joe.

1575
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: Not to note this to death, but like people kind

1576
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: of got on Joe's about like him doing a mom

1577
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: impression because that's kind of what he does a lot

1578
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: in his stand up.

1579
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: M M.

1580
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 2: I think you should have leaned into that more because

1581
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 2: that's clearly his comfort zone. That's him having fun on stage.

1582
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: Like do that, like do like a whole bit about

1583
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: your mom, talking about all the nominees make me a

1584
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 2: whole fucking two to three minutes exactly exactly.

1585
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: And even if that bid hadn't like placed him in

1586
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: the greatest host of all time category, he wasn't gonna

1587
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: be that anyway, because he doesn't. He's not really the

1588
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: right person for that job. So do something that's gonna

1589
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: be fun and reliable, and you're good at and just

1590
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: get off the stage. Your job as the host is

1591
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: the ViBe's curator. Yeah, like, leave with good vibes, make

1592
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: everyone have a good time. Don't be yelling about the writers.

1593
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: What did you expect the reaction was gonna be from

1594
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: Greta Gerwig about Barbie big boobies. Did you think she's

1595
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna be laughing and cackling that everyone in that room

1596
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: was gonna be like hilarious Booby's joke about Barbie, Like

1597
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: this isn't a fucking middle school talent show with all

1598
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: boys in the audience, Like it's the Golden Globes. What

1599
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: did you think? Yeah, so, Bowe Yang, this is your

1600
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Are you ready to absolutely

1601
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: tear and pop?

1602
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1603
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, boone Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey.

1604
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1605
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: For me, personally, gratitude, I'm done with gratitude. It's time

1606
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: to shift into full ambition. In the words of Ashley Oh,

1607
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: I'm stoked on ambition and verb. I'm gonna get what

1608
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: I deserve. So full of ambition and verb, I'm gonna

1609
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: get what I deserve.

1610
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: This is my thing.

1611
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: I made a whole playlist yesterday. I was like, I've

1612
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 2: been wallowing in gratitude, and I'm not wallowing, but I've

1613
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: been in gratitude for so long that I'm like, it's

1614
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 2: time to get out of the pool and actually reach

1615
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 2: for the stars, because it's time. Nasty nationalist amy acceptance

1616
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: speech lit a fire under my ass.

1617
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Period.

1618
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: You need to believe in yourself. In her press room speech,

1619
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: she said, that's why it's called self esteem, not Mama esteem,

1620
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: not them esteem fifteen seconds because nobody have to believe

1621
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 2: in it but you, and that is part of ambition.

1622
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: There is nothing wrong with being ambitious. It is time

1623
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: for us to scale new heights as a culture, as individuals,

1624
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 2: but collectively we are all getting out of gratitude for

1625
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: the current circumstances and reaching for something better.

1626
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: There you go, that's one minute. My sister is galvanized

1627
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Oh

1628
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: my god, the way this is the year? Really, if

1629
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about vibes curation today Wednesday, January seventeenth, the

1630
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: vibes are fucking good.

1631
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: This is Can we say now that we've introduced the

1632
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 2: goblet of years twenty twenty four is year of years.

1633
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Whoa twenty twenty four is the year of years. That's

1634
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: the title of app. Twenty four is the year of years.

1635
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, we have to We have to

1636
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: put good vibes out there, okay, because there are forces

1637
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: of evil bowen all around. There are forces of evil

1638
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: that are going to try to make traders among us.

1639
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: There are traders among us, I'm serious. And there are

1640
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 1: forces that are going to try to make this year

1641
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four a bad year in retrospect. And we

1642
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: have to fight that with all of our might.

1643
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: We have to. And it starts here, Okay, it starts.

1644
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Here recording this from the Iowa Caucus.

1645
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 2: We are in the cold.

1646
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: We have to fight.

1647
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: Yes, we are never to go to wins. Yeah, we've

1648
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 2: never even We are at Nikki Haley HQ.

1649
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out what's next.

1650
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: We are trying to strategize. Honey girl, can I say

1651
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 2: before we go, you know what I've started doing this week?

1652
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:12,799
Speaker 1: Berries?

1653
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited for you.

1654
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? My thoughts are let's get treaded.

1655
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be three times a week at Barries for me.

1656
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: And let's try hard. You're jealous? Why are you jealous?

1657
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: That can be you?

1658
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: It literally can't. When I when I'm at work, there's

1659
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: just no I can do. I can put in once

1660
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 2: a week, but not three, and I need three.

1661
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: You couldn't do Monday. I could do Monday.

1662
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 2: I could do Tuesday if I I was gonna do

1663
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: Tuesday with just going to the gym. And then I

1664
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: couldn't because we had because we decided to move with

1665
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 2: you recording from Monday night to we did Tuesday morning

1666
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: because we were like, we have to talk about the Emmys.

1667
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: We wanted to just scoot and I have no regrets.

1668
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 2: But then the rest of the week is kind of

1669
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: kind of a bust. And then Sunday, I'm Cataitania.

1670
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: It's the best thing you can do at that point

1671
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: is just rest.

1672
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm so excited you're doing berries. Can I say, what's

1673
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: worked wonders for me already?

1674
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: Yes?

1675
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 2: And I hate that I'm this person now and it's

1676
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 2: only gonna last like two weeks tops. I have meal prepped,

1677
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 2: protein rich foods, protein rich meals. I love it and

1678
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: it's working for me right now for my lifestyle because

1679
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:17,839
Speaker 2: I am just like I don't.

1680
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Care what I'm meaning.

1681
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 2: Really, I have the decision fatigue down. Let me just

1682
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 2: pop this chicken and broccoli sturfry with brown rice that

1683
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 2: I made on Sunday night in a huge walk. Let

1684
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: me put that in the microwave. And I'm eating protein

1685
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 2: at least thirty grams per meal, and I'm eating the

1686
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 2: Quest protein rich cookies. I'm eating these protein rich things

1687
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 2: because I'm like trying to what tell my body to

1688
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: burn the fat instead of the protein. That's awesome week,

1689
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 2: and it's.

1690
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Already looking healthy choices, healthy life, healthy queen.

1691
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: Healthy wife, healthy wife, happy life, Tree, crimas Tree, Tree pain.

1692
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Well should we tell everyone? So A while ago I

1693
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: said to Bowen, as I want to do, I gave

1694
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: him a new name. I said, hey, Christmas Jones, which

1695
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: is Denis Richards is the name of the James Bond films.

1696
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: And then Bowen goes turns to me and he points

1697
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: to me and he raises his eyebrow and he goes,

1698
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Christmas Tree. I think you told me, girl, Christmas.

1699
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 2: Tree, Christmas Jones, Christmas Tree.

1700
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 1: Well, I was just like, wow, you're so right about

1701
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I have Hey Christmas Jones Christmas Tree Tree.

1702
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 2: I think he even repeated, I think you said, hey,

1703
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,919
Speaker 2: Christmas Jones, and I repeated, I said, Christmas Jones.

1704
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Jones, Christmas Tree Tree, I said, let me sit back. Wow.

1705
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Speaker 1: What a thrilling episode this has been. It's the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the year. It's the beginning of a new era

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Speaker 1: of the year of years, of the year of years,

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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four is the year of years. And

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Speaker 1: that's how we're setting the tone.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited and thanks for joining us on this journey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And before we do, ads, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna end this episode with the song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah Chess fun Food.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you're a baby bird sing it food.

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Speaker 2: I love my girls. Falsetto vibrato Italian.

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Speaker 1: I have a sot throat. Bye.